Sneako VS DENALVA
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Summary
In this episode of Thick & Thin, the girls discuss feminism and its impact on our society and the way we navigate the world. We discuss the importance of calling people stupid when they say stupid things and how we need to learn to differentiate between what we're feeling and what's actually facts.
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made a good point in the sense that like when is that's then the thing is with feminism is never
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ending every week every month there's a new issue it's so unnecessary that these feminists won and
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it's just like when are you guys going to be satisfied that's my problem and that's when it
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becomes destructive but i don't think you can say that is unnecessary to them because if they fall
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away they fall away so i don't think they can feel stupid they can have stupid beliefs and feelings
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yeah but that doesn't make it reality just because they feel aware just because the girl feels like
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she was discriminated because of her gender doesn't mean that she was and that's the big problem of
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this generation is we don't know how to differentiate between what we're feeling and what's actually
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reality like i get that's what they're feeling but right now i'm feeling like a dog am i a dog no
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exactly so we have to learn to differentiate between what we're feeling and what's actually
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facts and we need to do that by calling people stupid or saying that they're acting like dickheads
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when they are like if someone says you're vibrating with misogyny that should be called stupid like
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respectfully like that that was a stupid thing to say it's an analogy it's a figure of speech as
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well don't be so mean what's the analogy the analogy is basically saying you're coming to be
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aggressive your energy is coming a bit tense i even felt it so i i reworded what she said tense
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and misogynistic no i know but i reworded it for her two very different things yeah but the accusation
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was real it wasn't a figure of speech the accusation is real and that's fine she does stand on it so you're
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trying to justify it and that's my point like we need to call that stupid when people say stupid
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things like that and what do those accusations do i mean you know sneaker is a bit different because
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i mean his his industry is to get canceled but exactly that's why in a way but it's like for
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the average person that you label them that that could ruin their entire career yeah it's a bit like
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it's a bit like using the term creepy isn't it and then it's sort of like if a woman calls a guy creepy
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just the fact that she said it is it's believed because she she says i felt that he was creepy so it's like
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oh right okay so therefore he was creepy because you you're saying you felt like that but where's
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the where's the sort of foundational truth of that statement right and it's like saying
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vibrating with misogyny okay well okay it was tense but we're in a debate right so what's the
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misogynistic element of that they were just having a debate because why is he looking at her as an op
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just because she's a girl but what he's not like if there was four guys sitting on the couch and they
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were making the same point that's what a debate they would they would have said if we have
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different points of view we are disagreeing but you don't know me so don't go against me
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because we could actually agree on things that's the whole point against me gender-based i don't
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like that that's given misogyny that was my that was the vibe i don't know if it was off the gender
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i'm sorry it's just a debate it was just different opinions it has nothing to do with womanhood
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it was just because you are a woman because your your boundaries of like aggressive like um
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tonality in the way you speak you don't you know i think that's the difference between speaking
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aggressively and speaking assertively you monetize off it which is a good thing i got canceled for
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talking about covid in the election had nothing to do with vibrating misogyny i don't know you you
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feel a little bit aggressive i'm not gonna lie someone said something along the lines of don't go
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against me isn't this a debate like for and against yeah but when you immediately have to go
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against like come on you opened it up by saying i'm a black immigrant i mean look you guys are
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victims until somebody calls you out it's it's just none of this makes any sense you're gonna go
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and say that i'm a victim i'm black so i have a hard time in life and then somebody disagrees with
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you and then you're even a victim more do you know why we disagree and that i'm aggressive and
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you're pointing at me and interrupting me but i'm aggressive but you're i was aggressive there still
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you have been the whole time but i'm aggressive i'm i don't say that you're vibrating with
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misandry yeah exactly my whole point of this argument is that my whole point is that people
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now and especially people my age i'm 24 we have such a victim mindset that makes us feel like we
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can navigate the world a certain way and that everything is against us and we don't do that
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because the world is against us it because it makes us feel better about our life path and our
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decisions and about our place in the world that is the number one thing that will hold people back
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i'm an immigrant i'm black you're misogynistic you're racist i'm stop acting like that's a
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victimization that's exactly what it is i already explained to you why that is my superpower i simply
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pointed out the fact that it is an extra obstacle that some people may not have but for me it's a
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good thing it makes me fitter saying that you have an obstacle spicy and prettier that's why i like
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having also saying that you have an believing that you have an obstacle is exactly i know because i felt
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it i've had to overcome several times just because you haven't lived my life don't bloody so we
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encourage me from telling what i feel because that's what i've experienced sneaker what you're trying to
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say is that we should disregard our traumatic experiences for that have brought like you know
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even if you were traumatized if you had a terrible experience for good things right if the kkk was
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burning crosses and like what will hold you back more is still thinking about that you're traumatized
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is thinking that the world is against you that will hold you back even more than anything else that
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anyone's going to tell you that any industry will say that anything that i believe how misogynistic and
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racist i am you believing that you're traumatized and navigating the world that way is going to hold you
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back more than anybody else and that's the number one thing i would say for anyone here watching this
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right now get rid of that mindset because that was programmed into you by the news you're talking
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about mainstream media showing this one afro dude they do that so that we stay down it's not because
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they actually care about racism you think the news cares about this afro guy no they care about
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programming george floyd you think that goes viral because they care about george floyd no it's to get
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everybody riding and to keep everybody confused and to keep everybody outside no and to keep everybody
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distracted and angry a lot of people leveled up because of that a lot of addressing these issues
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actually is quite empowering because you start to what did blm publish let me tell you let me tell
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you to some people to some people i lived in i lived in milwaukee during like the blm protest there
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were some shops that didn't open back up of course like there let me tell you something right things
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like blm things like wakanda what it is why it's actually something that is is a good thing to even
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talk about these things and be gassed about the fact that black people start to go to the forefront
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is because even though some people may take it as a victimization there are people that actually take
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it to be an empowerment there are people that feel inspired exactly but people still feel inspired so
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let's talk about how do you how do you know if the outcome of something is good i know basically i know
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because within my business wait wait basically within my business i see the change i see how many people
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okay okay so you would say so you would say it would be the results right yeah the results of
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course so it's good the government okay okay so it's out for black people to do things okay okay
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okay so if the results of those protests were that some shops did not open back up and the whole
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business was a scam how is that a good result well it's the same way that people go to war people do a
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million things that with good comes bad that's no but i'm asking like what good came what good came
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what did blm accomplish oh blm accomplished a lot within the creative industry here in the uk
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a lot of black people start making money since blm awareness awareness since blm a lot of people
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have still died the same way george floyd did it didn't change the main factor which was white cops
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killing black people yeah white cops kill white people too so what did blm accomplish at blm in the
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uk the government started giving funding to black businesses a lot more they started putting a lot of
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projects to big up black people and put them on so actually was a good thing for the uk
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i'm not gonna lie a lot of people got really good opportunities because of that situation
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whatever then the nature of the cops not have guns here no well some of them do some of them
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why was the uk even giving money to black businesses here when this had nothing to do with black people
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so you got some money like yeah a lot of people made money what how was racism solved at all do you
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know if it's not about racism being sold that's what black lives matter but what it did it actually gave
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extra leeway for people to now go and do more it gave you an encouragement to say actually
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forget about being black you know this happened but look we're gonna help you go go go then take
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advantage and you win and you grow it's a good thing so when you talk about this and you expose it
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i have a question i have a question do you think throwing money at a problem solves it of course not
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so so like throw it at me you will solve it yeah are you a stripper can i also make one point you
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said that um black lives matter helped businesses and black people build their brand or whatever but
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i think we need to also question how long is that going to last because i feel like this is just going
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to last for like the last two five years and after that it's going to go back to use your program
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it's already blown over yeah well it's it's going starting to withdraw the people that got
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leg up they got leg up even if it did solve that problem in a sense where they're supporting black
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businesses it didn't solve the main matter at hand it put people representing on the youth on tv like
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zz mills is on channel four now but i wasn't the main is there with another sister presenting prime
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time the problem was white cops killing black people the problem wasn't not having her answer
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was they put a black person on t-shirt representation you inspire other people to want to do the same
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the problem no the problem doesn't get solved like this zz mills is on tv because she's talented
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to insinuate it's because of blm pretty racist yeah i'm not gonna lie if you understand the
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industry you know i ain't lying come for me if you want to wait so there we go hold on one point
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who understands the industry better than me well in the uk in london yes i built the biggest podcast
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in london you built the biggest podcast what do you know about the london people them here
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not as much as i do i've lived here for longer than you i've met hundreds in the past you've met them
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do you know their history you don't so you can't actually tell me that you know more about the
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do you think zizi mills is on tv because she's talented i'll tell you why she's yes or no i think
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she's talented but guess why she's on tv and why she was given prime time because they want to now
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make inclusivity and diversity something that's the forefront of a lot i have a question there
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there have been black there have been black presenters on tv since the 80s or 70s but it also
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sounds like you're admitting that there's an advantage for being black and it has nothing to do with
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skill set and diversity and inclusion so where's the mindset that black people are oppressed
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no if you're getting a job for representation this is not what i said i said the fact that
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people are talking about certain situations is making other people give our community more
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opportunities which then creates more representation more inspiration the problem starts to get so
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sounds like you're getting jobs over your skin color no but it doesn't matter because the whole
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point is at least i'm there when flying a plane it matters well uh zizi mills is talented that's why
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they picked her they wouldn't just pick you know why can't it be that because i feel like
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her over someone else but i feel like saying it's because she's black takes away from her skill set
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you're taking away from her 100 let me tell you people i take cancel me if you want but diversity
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inclusivity is now something that every corporate company is talking about they're raving about it
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so take opportunity because it doesn't matter what you do with the opportunity is up to you but if
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you're smart to take this opportunity because right now you can make a lot are you oppressed or not
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i'm not of course not that's why i said me being black is actually a superpower it depends actually
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i'm not a victim if he was gonna run for a prime minister that you would be fake
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wishy sunak is prime minister and he's brown isn't he yeah
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yeah nah i mean i don't agree with that i mean he didn't get elected we do have a female black
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vice president his representation right we did obama i mean it is possible guys it is possible
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and if you look at like the percentages of white people versus black people just the actual percentages
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you know y'all do really really well y'all have a lot of millionaires like we do i tell you who i
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really admire who i really admire is little wayne he's one of my favorite people because when he asked
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about that he he doesn't live in that way and he was so fucking successful not living that way and
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just doing his thing and i just i know i've said it three four times i just want every young person
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seeing this to hear it you can do it bro you really can and don't live any other way but you can
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that's it as many of you know i was just banned on tiktok and we are demonetized on a daily basis
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