JustPearlyThings - July 02, 2023


These Pro Choice Supporters Justified Murder


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Length

8 minutes

Words per minute

193.05353

Word count

1,636

Sentence count

110

Harmful content

Misogyny

7

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Hate speech

6

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In this episode, we discuss the pro-life and pro-choice sides of the abortion debate. We talk about the pros and cons of abortion and how it can affect a woman's mental health. We also discuss how to deal with the loss of a child.

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00:00:00.000 I think that the abortion being pushed the way it is has encouraged people being promiscuous.
00:00:10.180 I think that there is a lot of stupid girls and guys out there that are sleeping around, 1.00
00:00:20.100 that are like, oh, it's my whole phase, like, and like Hot Girls Summer and all these.
00:00:26.580 It's promoting bad, nasty, promiscuous behavior.
00:00:33.840 I just think if one out of three women have had an abortion, like, it's a form of birth control at this point.
00:00:38.700 Well, the younger, it's getting younger and younger and younger.
00:00:41.380 And I think that there is so many girls that, I'd say that girls that are now probably 10 to 15,
00:00:49.520 in like 10 years time, they're going to have had like 10 plus abortions. 1.00
00:00:54.340 That one, girls that are for abortion. 1.00
00:00:58.220 But there is a lot of girls that I have heard, you know, in school that I've spoken to from high school
00:01:04.940 that have already had like two, three abortions and they're in high school.
00:01:08.860 Yeah.
00:01:09.780 And they're not, it's nothing to them.
00:01:12.760 It's like, oops, like, just get another one.
00:01:15.900 Oh, it's happened again.
00:01:16.780 For the pro-choice people, can we have an abortion cap?
00:01:19.960 Like, after three, now, now.
00:01:21.600 Do you know?
00:01:22.200 You need to keep this child.
00:01:24.080 This is just irresponsible.
00:01:25.040 Do you know what abortion medication is?
00:01:29.140 Do you know what it does?
00:01:30.760 Which, what do you mean?
00:01:32.240 Well, abortion medication, it induces, right? 0.84
00:01:35.560 So it's not this special pill that goes wee-woo and just kills the fetus.
00:01:40.020 It causes the body of the mother to eject it, right?
00:01:43.860 So it's not killing it.
00:01:45.280 It's making the area in which it's growing inhospitable.
00:01:49.120 So...
00:01:49.600 Which does what?
00:01:52.560 Well, it ejects it.
00:01:53.920 It causes a miscarriage, right? 0.53
00:01:56.040 So that does what?
00:01:56.980 Well, then the argument is, was it alive?
00:02:00.460 Because we have to define what being alive is and whether...
00:02:05.440 So I see a pregnancy as a potential life, not as a life. 0.97
00:02:10.400 Until something's sitting in front of me, it's not a life.
00:02:13.900 That doesn't mean that I don't make considerations for how we perceive women who are pregnant,
00:02:20.240 especially later on in pregnancy.
00:02:22.420 Those two things are not particularly related.
00:02:24.420 And my opinions are more on a societal basis and not from any argument from consciousness
00:02:31.200 or really that much bodily autonomy.
00:02:34.300 For example, if we say, oh, well, it will definitely survive at six months,
00:02:38.280 although that already is the cutoff, in which case...
00:02:41.780 No, I said some children have survived at like five and a half months before.
00:02:46.560 Well, then I have no issue with potential C-sections or whatever happening at any point in time.
00:02:52.580 But the reality is like they're going to live.
00:02:55.320 So there's no point speculating about eight or nine month abortions because that wouldn't make any sense.
00:03:00.780 Sorry, I'll cut you.
00:03:01.660 What did you say your name was again?
00:03:03.140 Sorry.
00:03:03.460 Kelly.
00:03:04.080 Kelly.
00:03:05.620 On Google, it says that...
00:03:08.360 On Google?
00:03:09.240 No, I don't know.
00:03:10.220 I don't want to know what Google says.
00:03:11.720 No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:03:12.700 No, but no, I'm just saying legally, you can't get a birth certificate for a death of a child unless it's actually being born.
00:03:22.780 So if you have like a stillbirth or you have like, like you say you want to carry through your pregnancy 0.56
00:03:28.820 and you get to like five, six months, you're excited about your pregnancy.
00:03:32.180 You've told everyone about your pregnancy.
00:03:34.340 You're looking forward to your child coming.
00:03:36.560 Your child dies.
00:03:37.960 You haven't given birth to your child.
00:03:39.160 You're really telling me I can't get a birth, a death certificate for my child.
00:03:43.480 To me, that's my child.
00:03:44.780 Do you know what I mean?
00:03:45.300 I want to mourn like and stuff like that.
00:03:47.680 So if with pro-life, people that are with pro-life, it's like when you said, sorry, when you said a child like is not really like a person until they're born.
00:04:03.340 So what about the mums that think that that child is a person?
00:04:06.140 They're growing with a baby inside of their belly.
00:04:08.200 They want to like have some kind of closure.
00:04:09.920 Well, there's nothing to stop anyone from mourning their loss regardless of how that loss is.
00:04:13.940 But you don't have a death certificate.
00:04:15.800 You don't get a death certificate for the child.
00:04:18.120 So how do you, you can't have a funeral.
00:04:20.100 You can't really have a funeral for a child.
00:04:20.680 You can still have a funeral.
00:04:21.920 I know, but it's not really like proper, you know, it's not something for yourself.
00:04:26.220 Like say you, you want to have something to keep that, to say I had this baby, that this existed, this happened.
00:04:31.500 Do you know what I mean?
00:04:32.340 You can't really have that.
00:04:33.340 So it's like saying, oh, before my child's born, my child's not a child.
00:04:37.420 But if my child's not a child, then how can people really argue and say that abortion is wrong?
00:04:41.380 If the child's not a child, then you've made a really good point because you've said about you can't get a birth certificate until you're born.
00:04:48.500 So I understand.
00:04:49.440 A death certificate.
00:04:49.980 If the child dies and you haven't given birth to that child yet during your pregnancy, you don't get it.
00:04:55.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:55.260 That makes sense.
00:04:56.060 That makes sense.
00:04:57.140 To me, in my mind, logically, that makes perfect sense.
00:04:59.520 Why would you get a death certificate if you haven't received a birth certificate?
00:05:02.660 But if someone gets killed, yeah, a mum gets birth certificate. 1.00
00:05:05.200 You haven't received your birth certificate.
00:05:06.560 You haven't been born yet.
00:05:07.580 If a woman gets killed, you haven't physically been born.
00:05:10.000 What I'm saying is, if the child hasn't been born yet, then technically that's, if the child hasn't been born yet, then you're saying that's not her life.
00:05:18.780 Is that what you're saying, that's not a life?
00:05:20.560 Yeah, it has not been born yet.
00:05:21.840 So if someone has...
00:05:23.560 It's a living organism, yes, depending on how far along it is, but it has not been born.
00:05:28.920 Don't get it twisted.
00:05:29.760 I'm pro-choice.
00:05:30.640 Don't get it twisted.
00:05:31.260 I'm pro-choice.
00:05:31.920 What I'm saying is, for people that are pro-life, if you have an abortion before the child is born, that is wrong, right?
00:05:40.060 For you to have an abortion before you've given birth to a child. 0.97
00:05:42.720 So some of the same people that are also pro-life, they're with, how can you not have a death certificate?
00:05:52.200 It's not a child, right?
00:05:53.740 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:05:54.880 If it's not a life, if it's not a...
00:05:57.480 I don't know if I'm even explaining what I'm trying to say properly.
00:06:00.020 Do you get what I'm trying to say?
00:06:00.940 I sort of do sort of...
00:06:02.280 So you're saying, why don't they have a death certificate at six months?
00:06:05.460 If in your eyes, the child is considered a child before the child's being born, then that child, when it dies before being born, should be allowed a death certificate to say that this child was something, this child existed.
00:06:21.400 Do you know what I mean?
00:06:22.440 But it's not.
00:06:23.460 It's illegal.
00:06:24.300 But in certain countries, it's illegal to have an abortion, but it's also illegal to have a death certificate before 24 weeks.
00:06:29.680 It doesn't make sense.
00:06:30.240 It's all hypocritical, all of it, the life, the choice, the, like we just said, I don't know if you heard, but if a woman gets killed and she's pregnant, she could have just become pregnant the day before, they find out.
00:06:45.800 I think the pro-lifers are not hypocritical.
00:06:48.440 I think it makes perfect sense because we would say it's a double homicide and we would say there should be a death certificate.
00:06:56.040 Yeah, well, they should be, but then how come you don't get a death certificate?
00:07:01.760 Yeah, if you don't get a death certificate before 24 weeks, then how could it be a double homicide?
00:07:06.560 Imagine the woman was literally like a month pregnant. 1.00
00:07:10.380 Right.
00:07:10.660 But I think pro-lifers would support the idea of having that death certificate to be able to mourn that child properly.
00:07:16.080 But also, I think a broader question at the center of this is what makes a child alive, right?
00:07:21.300 Because that's what really matters.
00:07:22.520 Can you get a death certificate after you've been alive?
00:07:24.320 That's the logical thing.
00:07:26.180 So is it that you are aware of your surroundings?
00:07:29.460 Is it that you can feel pain?
00:07:31.060 Is it that you have 10 fingers and 10 toes?
00:07:33.740 What is it that makes you alive?
00:07:34.780 Is it that your heart is beating?
00:07:36.280 So to you, at what point in a pregnancy would you class a pregnancy as a life inside of you?
00:07:43.540 At what point would that be?
00:07:44.800 So I would start all the way from conception that that is a new distinct and whole human being.
00:07:49.200 It's not its mom, it's not its dad, it's a new human being.
00:07:52.560 And as that develops along the way, I think heart starts beating.
00:07:55.580 We know it as early as even three weeks, we now believe from recent research.
00:08:00.380 At 15 weeks, maybe even before then, they can already feel pain.
00:08:04.180 I just think that through a little bit logically for a second.
00:08:06.360 Are you a human if you don't have a sex yet?
00:08:08.200 What would you be classed as if you don't have a sex?
00:08:11.380 Yeah, you're not a human yet, by the way, sorry.
00:08:13.620 You're not a human at that time.
00:08:14.680 Because you don't find out the sex of your child until you're 25 weeks.
00:08:17.780 The mom doesn't, but the child actually has its sex right from the start. 1.00
00:08:21.260 So it depends on its chromosomes, if it has XX or XY.
00:08:24.300 So right from the moment that human being comes into formation, it's already a little boring.