JustPearlyThings - June 25, 2023


Things got HEATED When Trans Man Brought This Up


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9 minutes

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2,015

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192

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23

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Toxicity

28

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In this episode, we talk about the transgenders and why they should be allowed to use the bathroom as the other gender. We also talk about whether or not a trans person can get pregnant by another gender.

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00:00:00.000 But like, you know, like we say that obviously gender and sexuality are two different things.
00:00:05.180 No, I don't think so.
00:00:06.180 But they are though, because you have lesbian women and gay men, and they would never dream of transitioning. 0.56
00:00:14.040 They're happy as men.
00:00:15.480 Oh, sexuality. 0.67
00:00:16.060 And they're happy to be gay men.
00:00:18.400 And, you know, there's women that are happy to be gay women.
00:00:20.700 They've got no intentions of transitioning.
00:00:22.600 But if someone has transitioned, because equally people transition and are still attracted sexually to the other sex, if I'm making sense.
00:00:34.860 So, for example, you could be born female, transition into a man, and then be attracted to men.
00:00:41.620 So then you'd be a gay trans man. 0.64
00:00:44.280 Yeah. 0.95
00:00:44.940 I don't even really care about the sexuality, it's just the biology.
00:00:49.400 I hear you, but to make my point, if you're a transgender person who has transitioned and isn't gay in that transition,
00:00:57.580 I don't see how you can possibly make anyone in a restroom feel uncomfortable.
00:01:01.860 So if you're a trans man and you like women, you go into a men's locker room as a man who likes women.
00:01:09.100 You're not posing any threat to any of those men in that locker room.
00:01:12.440 You're not perving on anyone.
00:01:13.620 And equally the same if you're a man, born a man, who then transitions into a woman and finds men sexually attractive.
00:01:23.720 You're not going to go into the locker room and start perving on the women in that. 1.00
00:01:26.360 Would you agree that the transition's mental?
00:01:29.820 I think it has to start off mental, 100%.
00:01:32.260 It has to start off as a mental thing.
00:01:33.320 But you would agree you can't actually be the other gender?
00:01:36.280 No, you can get surgeries to make you the other gender. 0.99
00:01:38.340 To make you look like it, but you wouldn't actually, like...
00:01:40.900 No, yes, you can be.
00:01:41.900 You can't change your DNA.
00:01:43.600 You can't change your sex. 1.00
00:01:45.280 You can't change your DNA.
00:01:46.600 No, you can't change your DNA.
00:01:48.100 You can't, like, actually change your gender.
00:01:50.220 No.
00:01:50.780 Well, you can change your body.
00:01:52.400 You can change a shell.
00:01:53.540 I mean, I'm a spiritual individual.
00:01:55.080 The way it looks, right?
00:01:55.780 Yeah, I mean, I'm a spiritual person.
00:01:57.800 So for me, this body right here is just my shell.
00:02:00.160 Now, if an accident happened to me, God forbid, and I was paralyzed, that doesn't make me less of anything because I can't use my body.
00:02:08.060 Our body is just our body.
00:02:09.560 Who we are inside means more.
00:02:11.940 Right, so it's mental, though.
00:02:12.280 It's not physical.
00:02:13.240 It's mental and emotional.
00:02:14.740 And then if it's strong enough, you will change the physical to match the mental and emotional.
00:02:19.840 No, but you can't, like, you can't, you know, like, a man, like a trans man can't get a woman pregnant and vice versa. 0.79
00:02:25.560 No, you can't.
00:02:26.220 Because that's DNA, like you said.
00:02:27.780 But that's the point.
00:02:28.440 You can't.
00:02:28.820 How many cis men are there that can't get a woman pregnant?
00:02:30.740 How many cis women are there that can't get a woman pregnant? 1.00
00:02:32.300 And I don't think it's, I just wouldn't say, I would say it's a false equivalency.
00:02:36.220 No, because it sounds prejudiced from your point, though.
00:02:38.400 It sounds prejudiced from your point.
00:02:39.400 They're still built the way they're built, right?
00:02:42.100 Like, they still were born with those parts.
00:02:44.600 Yeah, but a woman who can't get pregnant, naturally, like a cis woman who can't get pregnant, isn't less of a woman because she can't get pregnant. 1.00
00:02:50.480 Exactly.
00:02:51.040 The same way a man is not less of a man because he can't impregnate a woman.
00:02:54.140 Exactly.
00:02:54.620 Right, but they're still a woman because they're born a woman. 1.00
00:02:57.300 Yes, yes.
00:02:58.160 Right.
00:02:58.440 And so my point is it's mental, it's not physical.
00:03:01.520 It starts off mental.
00:03:02.600 But even I've seen pictures of, like, on Twitter, I did not want to, it was just, you ever been on Twitter, and, like, of, like, the surgeries, it doesn't look the same.
00:03:12.560 Well, the thing is, yeah.
00:03:13.740 Like, it doesn't.
00:03:14.940 The thing is, yeah, like, it's not going to be able to look the same.
00:03:18.540 Do you understand?
00:03:18.840 Like, it's just how it goes.
00:03:21.420 You know, if a white person was to want to get a tan, they're not going to look black. 0.94
00:03:26.100 Do you know what I mean? 0.70
00:03:26.700 Like, there's certain things, if a black person wants to get lighter and they start bleaching, you can tell. 1.00
00:03:31.780 They're getting better with it, too.
00:03:33.380 You just have to let people be who they are.
00:03:35.560 Like, all of this judgment and, yeah, but you don't look, you don't let people live their truth and feel comfortable in the body that they're in.
00:03:41.040 And I don't care if you live your truth, like, and do what you want to your body.
00:03:45.940 But, to me, it's just, like, I think that women have the right to our own spaces. 1.00
00:03:50.860 Like, I think we have the right.
00:03:51.580 Yeah, black people straight in their hair, white people love coming in hair. 1.00
00:03:53.960 No, I don't think the race thing really is an equivalent.
00:03:56.880 But I think, like, women have the right to our own spaces. 1.00
00:04:00.840 I agree.
00:04:01.420 I agree, I agree, I agree with, I fully agree with what you're saying and I understand, you know, the difficulties with women who are playing sports with trans men. 0.84
00:04:09.420 But I think that the difficulties that you, women, cis women have.
00:04:12.840 Well, even in bathrooms, too, I would say the same thing.
00:04:15.220 Because at the end of the day, you know, they still need their hands.
00:04:17.980 I'll be honest, I've gone into men's bathrooms quite a lot because they have short queues.
00:04:22.260 So, I don't, I don't know.
00:04:23.400 That's like a female privilege, isn't it? 1.00
00:04:25.560 Kind of, yes.
00:04:26.460 Because I could not have that the other way around.
00:04:27.760 The shoes, I hate them so much.
00:04:29.740 I could just go zoom right in.
00:04:30.120 I think society has really started to over-sexualise people.
00:04:33.780 Like, I don't know about you, but when I go to the toilet, like, I literally go in there to go to the toilet.
00:04:37.800 That's it.
00:04:38.200 I go in the toilet, I come out, I wash my hands and I walk out trying as hard as I can not to touch the door.
00:04:42.580 I will say, unless the trans woman is doing something legitimately weird, like staring or they have, like, a hard-on or something bad, 0.94
00:04:49.980 they probably are just changing and it's just awkward for everyone involved.
00:04:53.700 But I don't know, like, I just, I'm awkward around everyone.
00:04:57.020 I wanted to add something to the conversation.
00:04:59.040 So, I have a daughter.
00:05:00.540 I think you guys are focusing too much on the people that are...
00:05:05.420 Adults?
00:05:06.540 No, not even that.
00:05:07.380 I think you guys are focusing too much on the people that, like, the people that are going through this and their feelings.
00:05:12.300 What you're failing to realise is that we're talking about the policies.
00:05:14.820 So, the policies make it possible for a man to transition into the woman and go into a female woman's bathroom. 0.98
00:05:22.000 So, if the policies make that possible, you're forgetting that we have people that are criminals. 0.73
00:05:26.400 We have people that are crazy that will take advantage of those kind of policies.
00:05:31.760 There's actually nothing to stop.
00:05:33.460 There's literally nothing to stop.
00:05:33.920 No, I started first.
00:05:35.960 My point is, if those policies exist, people that can take advantage of those policies will take advantage of it.
00:05:45.480 There's literally nothing to stop anyone from going into any bathroom.
00:05:47.940 You know what I'm saying?
00:05:48.920 Yes, but...
00:05:49.340 We don't, like, stand outside of the bathrooms as security guards.
00:05:52.260 Yes, there's nothing to stop anyone.
00:05:53.120 There's nothing to stop anyone.
00:05:54.000 But the mere fact that you're basically disregarding social... 0.97
00:05:58.740 Can gay men not allow... 1.00
00:05:59.900 Are gay men not allowed to use men's bathroom in case the men that are not gay are worried that the gay men entering 0.99
00:06:05.340 are going to have perv on them? 0.99
00:06:06.600 Are lesbians not allowed to use women's bathroom because they're scared? 1.00
00:06:09.820 I think that's a false equivalent. 0.94
00:06:11.140 Okay, so what's the problem?
00:06:11.780 The reason why I say it this way is because when you argue from the men's side, men don't care
00:06:16.180 because the reality of a man's world is we have to defend ourselves in whatever situation anyways.
00:06:20.940 Right.
00:06:21.340 So, the protection is actually for the women.
00:06:23.660 I don't care if a woman comes into my bathroom because I know she can't do... 1.00
00:06:26.880 Like, there's very little she can do to me.
00:06:28.380 Right, right.
00:06:28.820 So, it's actually...
00:06:29.760 Unless she's got a weapon.
00:06:30.880 Exactly.
00:06:31.380 Right.
00:06:31.760 But it's actually more for the women. 0.98
00:06:33.280 So, my point is if I have a daughter, I don't want a situation where policies allow someone 0.88
00:06:40.400 to be able to go into the bathroom to perv on her. 0.76
00:06:43.820 But can I ask a question? 0.94
00:06:45.300 Wouldn't it be, this is what I was saying before about sexuality, if a trans woman, okay, 0.67
00:06:50.500 has gone into a woman's bathroom and she is heterosexual now and she loves men, is that 0.98
00:06:57.700 not less pervy than a gay woman going into the woman and perving on the women? 1.00
00:07:02.180 I agree. 0.98
00:07:02.240 But the problem is, would the women start putting labels on their head about who they are? 1.00
00:07:07.080 They don't.
00:07:07.340 They just have to just do your thing.
00:07:09.240 That's the point.
00:07:09.340 Just do your thing.
00:07:10.500 Yeah.
00:07:10.800 And if someone...
00:07:11.540 But his point is we won't know, but we can see with gender.
00:07:16.760 You can't know sexuality.
00:07:18.600 You don't know if the person...
00:07:19.540 But we're not talking about sexuality, we're talking about gender.
00:07:21.700 But also, regardless, if a predator wants to predate, a predator will predate.
00:07:25.940 It's that simple.
00:07:26.780 If someone has that in their mind and that's what they want to do, they will.
00:07:29.760 And they will have done that for years and years and years.
00:07:31.780 But you're making it easier.
00:07:33.080 It's changing policy.
00:07:34.480 Not necessarily.
00:07:35.000 And it's like, it just makes me uncomfortable.
00:07:37.480 I don't want to change.
00:07:38.500 I don't want to go to the bathroom in front of guys.
00:07:41.980 And you can dress like a woman, act like a woman, it doesn't make you a woman. 0.54
00:07:46.760 Well, it does, though.
00:07:47.740 That's the thing. 0.99
00:07:48.320 If they don't have a penis anymore, do you know what I mean? 1.00
00:07:51.620 Then... 1.00
00:07:51.940 I mean, they don't have...
00:07:52.720 But they don't have ovaries. 1.00
00:07:54.300 And even when you were talking earlier about women...
00:07:56.020 But some women don't have ovaries. 1.00
00:07:57.020 Sorry to cut you.
00:07:57.780 I mean, it's a very, very small percentage.
00:08:00.960 And they were still...
00:08:02.360 Like, they're supposed to have ovaries. 1.00
00:08:04.080 It's very different than chopping your... 0.89
00:08:05.840 Off.
00:08:07.380 And I hear you.
00:08:08.420 Like, the thing is, I hear your concern.
00:08:11.040 And I'm sure a lot of people have the same concerns as you.
00:08:14.360 But what I'm trying to get you to understand is somehow, in some way, as much as you have your opinion, it is a little bit prejudiced.
00:08:22.720 You know?
00:08:23.200 And I get that your prejudice may come from your personal concerns.
00:08:26.880 Yeah, no, it is prejudice.
00:08:26.960 But it is still prejudice. 0.70
00:08:28.540 And I think that, you know, you have to understand that when you've got these viewpoints, yeah, sometimes it's hypocritical.
00:08:34.140 Because, and that's why I'm using sexuality. 0.89
00:08:36.940 That's why I'm saying there's probably women in your bathroom that are checking you out if they're gay, if they're lesbians. 1.00
00:08:42.340 So, for you to... 0.99
00:08:43.720 Lesbians can be pretty aggressive. 1.00
00:08:45.460 There's a lot of gay boys. 0.99
00:08:47.440 Yeah, for you to dismiss them and then jump on trans women, who probably ain't interested in you. 0.99
00:08:51.400 But there's no policy that we can push.
00:08:54.460 You can't do that. 0.53
00:08:55.640 Because, again, he was saying there's no sign on their head saying that they're gay.
00:08:58.640 And they don't have to.
00:08:59.640 They don't have to.
00:09:00.080 And I'm not saying that...
00:09:01.440 There's no sign on their head saying they're trans.
00:09:02.720 Yeah, but it is so obvious.
00:09:04.160 It is not.
00:09:05.000 Oh, my gosh.
00:09:05.780 It is so obvious.
00:09:06.620 No, I'm sorry.
00:09:07.080 Especially men that become women. 0.76
00:09:10.420 It's so obvious.
00:09:11.380 You can tell.
00:09:12.100 Not always.
00:09:12.760 No.