Things got HEATED When Trans Man Brought This Up
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Summary
In this episode, we talk about the transgenders and why they should be allowed to use the bathroom as the other gender. We also talk about whether or not a trans person can get pregnant by another gender.
Transcript
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But like, you know, like we say that obviously gender and sexuality are two different things.
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But they are though, because you have lesbian women and gay men, and they would never dream of transitioning.
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And, you know, there's women that are happy to be gay women.
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But if someone has transitioned, because equally people transition and are still attracted sexually to the other sex, if I'm making sense.
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So, for example, you could be born female, transition into a man, and then be attracted to men.
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I don't even really care about the sexuality, it's just the biology.
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I hear you, but to make my point, if you're a transgender person who has transitioned and isn't gay in that transition,
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I don't see how you can possibly make anyone in a restroom feel uncomfortable.
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So if you're a trans man and you like women, you go into a men's locker room as a man who likes women.
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You're not posing any threat to any of those men in that locker room.
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And equally the same if you're a man, born a man, who then transitions into a woman and finds men sexually attractive.
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You're not going to go into the locker room and start perving on the women in that.
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But you would agree you can't actually be the other gender?
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No, you can get surgeries to make you the other gender.
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To make you look like it, but you wouldn't actually, like...
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So for me, this body right here is just my shell.
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Now, if an accident happened to me, God forbid, and I was paralyzed, that doesn't make me less of anything because I can't use my body.
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And then if it's strong enough, you will change the physical to match the mental and emotional.
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No, but you can't, like, you can't, you know, like, a man, like a trans man can't get a woman pregnant and vice versa.
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How many cis men are there that can't get a woman pregnant?
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How many cis women are there that can't get a woman pregnant?
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And I don't think it's, I just wouldn't say, I would say it's a false equivalency.
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No, because it sounds prejudiced from your point, though.
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They're still built the way they're built, right?
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Yeah, but a woman who can't get pregnant, naturally, like a cis woman who can't get pregnant, isn't less of a woman because she can't get pregnant.
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The same way a man is not less of a man because he can't impregnate a woman.
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Right, but they're still a woman because they're born a woman.
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And so my point is it's mental, it's not physical.
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But even I've seen pictures of, like, on Twitter, I did not want to, it was just, you ever been on Twitter, and, like, of, like, the surgeries, it doesn't look the same.
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The thing is, yeah, like, it's not going to be able to look the same.
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You know, if a white person was to want to get a tan, they're not going to look black.
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Like, there's certain things, if a black person wants to get lighter and they start bleaching, you can tell.
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Like, all of this judgment and, yeah, but you don't look, you don't let people live their truth and feel comfortable in the body that they're in.
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And I don't care if you live your truth, like, and do what you want to your body.
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But, to me, it's just, like, I think that women have the right to our own spaces.
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Yeah, black people straight in their hair, white people love coming in hair.
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No, I don't think the race thing really is an equivalent.
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But I think, like, women have the right to our own spaces.
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I agree, I agree, I agree with, I fully agree with what you're saying and I understand, you know, the difficulties with women who are playing sports with trans men.
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But I think that the difficulties that you, women, cis women have.
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Well, even in bathrooms, too, I would say the same thing.
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Because at the end of the day, you know, they still need their hands.
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I'll be honest, I've gone into men's bathrooms quite a lot because they have short queues.
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Because I could not have that the other way around.
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I think society has really started to over-sexualise people.
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Like, I don't know about you, but when I go to the toilet, like, I literally go in there to go to the toilet.
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I go in the toilet, I come out, I wash my hands and I walk out trying as hard as I can not to touch the door.
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I will say, unless the trans woman is doing something legitimately weird, like staring or they have, like, a hard-on or something bad,
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they probably are just changing and it's just awkward for everyone involved.
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But I don't know, like, I just, I'm awkward around everyone.
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I think you guys are focusing too much on the people that are...
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I think you guys are focusing too much on the people that, like, the people that are going through this and their feelings.
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What you're failing to realise is that we're talking about the policies.
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So, the policies make it possible for a man to transition into the woman and go into a female woman's bathroom.
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So, if the policies make that possible, you're forgetting that we have people that are criminals.
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We have people that are crazy that will take advantage of those kind of policies.
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My point is, if those policies exist, people that can take advantage of those policies will take advantage of it.
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There's literally nothing to stop anyone from going into any bathroom.
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We don't, like, stand outside of the bathrooms as security guards.
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But the mere fact that you're basically disregarding social...
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Are gay men not allowed to use men's bathroom in case the men that are not gay are worried that the gay men entering
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Are lesbians not allowed to use women's bathroom because they're scared?
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The reason why I say it this way is because when you argue from the men's side, men don't care
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because the reality of a man's world is we have to defend ourselves in whatever situation anyways.
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I don't care if a woman comes into my bathroom because I know she can't do...
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So, my point is if I have a daughter, I don't want a situation where policies allow someone
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to be able to go into the bathroom to perv on her.
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Wouldn't it be, this is what I was saying before about sexuality, if a trans woman, okay,
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has gone into a woman's bathroom and she is heterosexual now and she loves men, is that
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not less pervy than a gay woman going into the woman and perving on the women?
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But the problem is, would the women start putting labels on their head about who they are?
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But his point is we won't know, but we can see with gender.
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But we're not talking about sexuality, we're talking about gender.
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But also, regardless, if a predator wants to predate, a predator will predate.
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If someone has that in their mind and that's what they want to do, they will.
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And they will have done that for years and years and years.
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I don't want to go to the bathroom in front of guys.
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And you can dress like a woman, act like a woman, it doesn't make you a woman.
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If they don't have a penis anymore, do you know what I mean?
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And even when you were talking earlier about women...
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And I'm sure a lot of people have the same concerns as you.
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But what I'm trying to get you to understand is somehow, in some way, as much as you have your opinion, it is a little bit prejudiced.
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And I get that your prejudice may come from your personal concerns.
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And I think that, you know, you have to understand that when you've got these viewpoints, yeah, sometimes it's hypocritical.
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That's why I'm saying there's probably women in your bathroom that are checking you out if they're gay, if they're lesbians.
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Yeah, for you to dismiss them and then jump on trans women, who probably ain't interested in you.
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Because, again, he was saying there's no sign on their head saying that they're gay.
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There's no sign on their head saying they're trans.