Woke Woman Advises Pearl To Be WOKE
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss transphobia, censorship, and the transphobic treatment of trans women in sports and society. We also discuss the importance of having a safe space for trans people to speak freely and openly about their opinions.
Transcript
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thing is true i'm just saying so it's not necessarily that you're wrong or that you
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need to change your language i'm saying if you want to win a fight and not necessarily just get
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kicked out of the volleyball league or kicked out of this or that you have to adopt the way that
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other people are thinking or they're just going to completely disregard disregard you and you might
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see that as being really unfair but the world is you have to adapt to the way that other people are
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being so that you can play them at their game and if you don't do that they just don't care and
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they're not going to engage with you they're going to get rid of you and to be fair calling a trans
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woman a man is kind of transphobic i kind of i get like it is um but they are they're a biological
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man but they've transitioned to a trans woman i think it's fine to call them a trans and and you
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know in in personal relationships like i mean i i'm not going to call someone their opposite
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pronoun like when i meet them yeah when you know them yeah but but i'm but i'm saying like i can't
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tweet that i don't want men in our locker rooms i can't tweet that i don't want men in our sport
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but you could i can't i don't want transgender women in my locker room but what what i'm saying
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is true though and there shouldn't even be like a but you could phrase it like that like
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why do we have to change our speech when we're talking about things that are true it's because even
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if you don't think that trans women are women they're also not really men anymore either so they're
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kind of they're their own thing like and they're under the umbrella so i see women as an umbrella
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term okay so like cis women are there but trans women are under this umbrella and i do think that
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they are a particular class they they suffer from a lot of things that we do some to a worse extent
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like the the rate of death for black trans women is really bad especially in america like they do
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suffer a lot and i do appreciate these things have you seen the rate of death of men uh death of men
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yes by other men no just the rate of death of men because i just think the problem the real problem
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this whole thing is the censorship i think if i was talking about murder rather than no no i i get but i
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just think the real problem is censorship i think trans women trans people should be allowed to do
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whatever they want but you can't censor other people's opinions no you can't yeah that's wrong
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i'm not saying that paul should be censored i'm saying that if she wants to win but that's basically
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what the policies and society is doing they're censoring people even from what you're saying the
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way you've been saying like well you should phrase it different why can't we just say it how we want
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to say you can say it but you just need to be aware that you may cause offense and if you're happy to
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do that and happy to receive the backlash after what you said then that's fine i don't care i don't
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care about offense people can be offended my issue is when i'm i'm now getting kicked out of a league
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and now i'm getting other repercussions because i said something that's true because some people might
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want to might not want to endorse you so some some organizations might not want to endorse you
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knowing that you have yeah and i and i and i think and i think that's wrong and the same way even even if
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someone if someone was a super far leftist like if you you played on my you know maybe you're kind
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of left but like on my volleyball league like i think it's wrong that they be they cannot play
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because of an opinion i mean i agree i mean like i do music and i think that you know within the art
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the art the artistry world and all of that stuff you know people want you to have like a certain type
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of personality and be super friendly and all that stuff and kind of being nonchalant and and and private
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doesn't really get people anywhere so i i agree that you know certain things should be separated
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you know you should separate who an individual is to what they do because sometimes in my opinion some
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of the some of the most magnificent people are weird and that's what makes them so magnificent
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because they're different they're a little bit strange to some people you know and i think it's okay
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for everyone to have an opinion it's okay for everyone to speak about their opinion you know these debates
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are good you know it spreads awareness it spreads knowledge but we have to also be aware that
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sometimes we're going to cause offense you know i mean to some people yeah i don't care not just that
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don't agree with us but it's the way in which we we word things it's the way in which we say things you
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know we can put on like like you said we can put our opinions across in a way that doesn't cause
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offense people will listen to me like you only really get to pick offensive or actually productive
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you can't really do both and it's fine if you want to say things the way we can't we can't
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wait wait our only two options are offensive and productive if you don't seem reasonable to the
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other party then oh yeah but i can't help how i seem like i can't help their feelings and and at the
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end of the day it's like if we're talking about things that are true they're true and i can't help
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i can't help i can't help someone else feels about a fact about something that is true that's fine and
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it's not necessarily about feelings but it's like enough of the population has agreed on a
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let's just say societal whatever no i think it's a small percentage of the population that's pushing
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the societal you're engaging with that small percentage of the population and they're in
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charge of governing bodies that affect your sport well and that's the issue in the middle and and the
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issue is is that they get in charge of these organizations when i was interviewing girls at the
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tournament a lot of people didn't agree with it a lot of people were against it but they can't say
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anything because of these yeah because of these yeah because of the governing bodies so it's like
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i can't even speak out that i don't want them in my sports i mean and if i'm being honest and no but
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the the issue is like this language i'm sorry it's so confusing no but to the average person cis trans i'm
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sorry i'm not even trying to be rude it's confusing like like gender fluid they're added in all these
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words gender fluid because of what not binary i don't know what any of this means anymore it's
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because of what you say no but then there's then there's there's non-binary gender fluid all this
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shit's confusing to me biological women doesn't really matter that much it doesn't but what if
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you're calling aside from it just being confusing because we do need to differentiate you do it's
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because of what you're saying you want to you want to differentiate you know it goes back to what
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you said no you want to be a woman a woman a woman a man that's born a man a man and then if you've
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transitioned you're called a trans woman or no no i don't want new language i just want to keep
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otherwise you can't but what you want i want the same language we've used for the last 500 years
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no no okay transgender has existed for how many decades come on at the end of like even when it comes
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so it's new right in the 80s from a historical point of view it's not new it's only in regards of
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like what we can do with surgery so ancient greece ancient greece had trans people everywhere
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do you know what you know how much of how many of us in here how much of how many of us in here
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there have been trans people people that don't conform to a single gender across the board i mean
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i just i i i'm you might be right but just because it's not necessarily in societal terms or even like
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now like if you think even about being um like homosexual for example quite like homosexuality pretty
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much got eradicated from from society it was only seen underground because well for one colonial laws
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made the homosexual homosexual behavior illegal but it took a long long time for gay people to come
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out of the woodwork still is illegal some places exactly there are some there are certain people
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like for example there's like a whole um pretty much a whole generation of like gay men that just
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aren't talked about because that was before before it was legal when being gay could still land you in
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jail okay but what's your what's your what's your like trans people trans people were pretty much
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eradicated from the forefront of society but it doesn't mean they weren't there it means that you
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may not have seen them they may not have been discussed it doesn't mean they weren't we can't
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we can't prove they were common either we can't really prove a lot of stuff about
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their conception exceptions but it's not really i feel like the only difference is we used to call
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them transsexuals rather than transgender but that like the rocky horror show or they were just they
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they were just that one yeah that no one really spoke about they were just part of society it is
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older than all of us in the room so we should take that into consideration but like but across the
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board this is a new thing like it's the last hundred years it's been there since we were alive adam and eve
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it was there i guess when did it come it's it's new in a sense where it's been getting more exposure
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you know it's more talked about more people are doing it you know and and in that regard but i
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think that's necessary you know i think people need to be more aware of these things i think the
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movement that black people had the movement that women had the movement that gay people had the
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movement that you know no i want to take back the women's movement any type of i want to take it back
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what you don't want to work well you know i mean i just want you to be able to advocate for what
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you believe in but actually get somewhere if you don't start to adopt at least some of the language
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you're not going to get anywhere they're not going to listen i just think like why should i be forced
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to learn this what do you want to win do you want to get somewhere or do you just want to insult people
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because you can't do it i i i don't think it's insulting to say that i don't well again i feel like
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a lot of things are insulting that's what women do we feel like everything's insulting so it's like