Leo D.M.J. Aurini - A Friendly Conversation between Matt Forney and Jim Goad

00:00:00.000 Good evening, folks, and welcome to this friendly conversation between Matt Forney

00:00:08.760 and Jim Goat. I've been asked to host a platform for them to have a debate on. Now, I'll tell

00:00:18.300 you my personal opinion, my hope, that I think there's some apologies that should be made

00:00:22.420 on both sides. I'd like to see them shake hands and make friends again. We'll see whether

00:00:26.800 or not that happens my goal here is to simply provide a platform where both of them will have

00:00:32.560 their have their say because i know both these men in real life i have respect for both of them

00:00:37.200 and just i'm just trying to moderate things so don't expect too much from me uh we are going to

00:00:43.840 start with forney forney could you please tell us how this whole argument began it was an article

00:00:50.760 that you wrote wasn't it it was not an article it was a live stream from about three months ago i

00:00:56.140 believe um jim here wrote an article for tacky's magazine uh in which he criticized the alt-right

00:01:05.160 for being too moralistic in its denunciations of degeneracy and i took exception exception to that

00:01:14.840 because to me his argument seemed to be like an intellectualized version of mr mackey's don't

00:01:22.380 take political sides okay you know and i explained in the stream that the in order to fix the problems

00:01:32.780 of society the the what jim calls the moralism is absolutely necessary uh that is uh my argument

00:01:41.560 distilled there were there are some other points playing off of it but that's the core essence of

00:01:46.100 it well i mean what is the alt right matt number one here's the thing i've i'll go and get into a

00:01:53.400 little history here matt you you become a christian i am more open to christianity yes

00:01:58.720 open to christianity so you believe in the christian god i've considered i've realized

00:02:05.380 the value of christianity that's a good way of putting it i'm not definite on many such uh many

00:02:10.860 questions yet do you need to believe in things that make sense i need to believe in make things

00:02:15.760 that makes sense yes okay why would a perfect god get angry this is a question i've asked everyone

00:02:21.420 they attack me because here's the and i think one of the things that bothered me about the podcast

00:02:26.680 was you seem to think i was acting in bad faith or whatever it seems and i notice i always couch

00:02:32.360 it with seams because i don't know what's in people's minds it'd be nice to see you but

00:02:35.680 that's a whole other thing uh just my whole thing with christianity i was i was raised under it

00:02:42.080 Second, let's just clarify this for the audience.

00:02:44.280 For me, we have a webcam.

00:02:46.020 He hasn't had a webcam in a long time, and we usually don't use webcams at all.

00:02:50.100 I've just been accused of being a Jew.

00:02:52.600 Oh, great.

00:02:53.680 Anyway, but you know what, Matt?

00:02:55.720 I believe you sincerely believe what you're saying,

00:02:58.180 although I've seen you morph like a chameleon over the years.

00:03:01.160 So I might question whether you actually have any sincere beliefs

00:03:05.120 or you follow what you believe is relevant.

00:03:08.660 My whole thing with Christianity is absolutely sincere.

00:03:10.980 i was raised catholic 12 years of catholic school i had this radical conversion around age 14.

00:03:17.220 there was a nun in uh freshman year high school where she was uh talking about our lady of fathom

00:03:21.780 making all these uh prophecies about the end of the world and it sounded pretty terrifying

00:03:26.180 so i thought well god you know i better read the bible and there was on easter weekend my

00:03:29.620 freshman year high school i read the bible was like holy you have to be a fanatic

00:03:33.780 and i became a believer i was such a believer that from like age 14 to 16. now think about

00:03:38.980 this age 14 to 16 i jerked off once so i was pretty hardcore even the nuns at school thought i

00:03:45.460 was maybe taken a little too far but i do talk kind tend to take things to the extreme

00:03:50.900 the problem was the same problem i had with leftism and the same problem i had with santa

00:03:55.620 claus i kept reading the bible and there were things that just didn't make sense uh one thing

00:04:01.780 i guess maybe i'm a little ocd i got obsessed with three different gospels that talked about

00:04:05.460 about the unpardonable sin if you blaspheme the holy spirit which theologists theologians thought

00:04:10.500 meant attributing acts of god to satan you never get forgiven you go to hell forever and health

00:04:16.300 according to the bible seems like a literal thing literal place that you go to but if you call on

00:04:21.220 the name of the lord you'll should be saved that's romans 10 13 what's happening i say fuck you holy

00:04:24.940 spirit save me lord that's insoluble nothing those cancel each other out in the old testament

00:04:31.640 leviticus repeatedly god says and this is me being autistic actually taking the bible at its word

00:04:38.360 because i've heard people use autistic as in arguments as someone who's beating them in an

00:04:42.760 argument but autistic in a sense god saying this law is eternal it will never be revoked this is

00:04:48.760 another one you know about slaughtering pigs or whatever never be revoked then along comes the

00:04:53.880 new testament it's revoked did god lie then he's not perfect did he not know it was going to be

00:04:59.960 revoked then he's not god and i keep kept coming up with this question of why would a perfect god

00:05:05.040 get angry not when examining christianity but islam so it was a lot of i mean during the bush

00:05:10.400 years islam was kind of the big scare and islam still a huge issue probably huger than it was

00:05:14.640 then because whatever's going on in the middle east isn't the problem it's muslims coming here

00:05:18.700 i'm reading the quran i said why the fuck is he pissed off so much it doesn't make any sense

00:05:24.020 god runs the table he's like he's the casino owner yes he creates everything he allows everything to

00:05:31.100 happen does he not expect it um could he have prevented it so i'd like i've sincerely this

00:05:38.600 is not trying to be cool or ironic that's i think you pull that little string in the entire sweater

00:05:44.260 of christianity and mono western monotheism falls apart one thing i need to clarify because i always

00:05:50.640 get accused of being an atheist i'm not that's just as dumb i think i think the bravest position

00:05:56.060 is to say i don't know what does any of this have to do with the issue at hand well i think the it

00:06:01.320 went to christianity and that's where the a lot of the moralism of the and it's not an attack the

00:06:05.680 all right attack kind of the trad guys let's say most of this moralism is like first of all there

00:06:11.860 have been way too many arguments in this corner lately between protestants and kind of like all

00:06:17.140 these completely pissy, irrelevant, distracting arguments. On the whole, the fact is that

00:06:23.400 heathens and Protestants and Catholics and Hindus all agree on the basics of natural law. Everybody

00:06:33.180 acknowledges natural law, and I think the moralism of the alt-right, natural law sums up. Ancient

00:06:39.520 Greeks would largely agree with the morality being pushed by the alt-right. Well, the ancient Greeks

00:06:46.140 didn't last either i think the problem is and i've maybe this is nietzschean i've read a little

00:06:50.500 bit of nietzsche i've read hl mencken's guide to nietzsche it's the public moralism it's the chest

00:06:56.560 thumping and the finger pointing over my life and once you you open your ears and your eyes you get

00:07:01.400 attuned to it the people that are thumping their chest usually are bastards and they're compensating

00:07:06.400 and they're projecting and they're trying to harm someone else now in most moral systems

00:07:10.860 i mean i think i'm for the most part yeah i fuck up but i'm an ethical person

00:07:14.620 in my experience the ones that are up on the the soap boxes pounding their chest and pointing

00:07:20.380 fingers at others usually are bastards and nasty and they're usually trying to get other people in

00:07:24.720 trouble and get them harmed because if you can tag someone as evil you can fucking kill them

00:07:28.920 and hold on in most moral systems murder is considered wrong but not if you do it to an

00:07:34.060 evil person i would consider this some of the remnants of puritanism in the united states

00:07:39.380 well you're anti-puritic it's well pure the puritan streaks in the united states are very

00:07:45.920 deeply embedded and they are something that come up on the left and the right i got this in

00:07:51.820 catholicism like 12 years and i got the same shit maybe hard more hardcore than any protestants

00:07:56.860 but you went to the american catholic church correct yeah then it would be also infected

00:08:02.540 with puritanism same way that multiculturalism infects canada i don't know i think the catholics

00:08:06.960 came later and probably evolved in their own community so i'm not sure it's moralism in

00:08:11.120 general i ethical behavior i think is almost separate from moralism one is done for a social

00:08:16.320 purpose and to achieve social status on someone else's neck acting ethically those people the

00:08:23.680 most the best people i've ever known they never get publicly moral because they don't need to

00:08:28.080 i think it's it's compensatory and at this point calling someone degenerates it's about on the

00:08:33.620 level of calling someone a racist it's meaningless and it's a way to make yourself look good

00:08:36.740 but i'm open to any other argument

00:08:38.800 so are you angry at forney because he used the term period well he called me stupid and he called

00:08:46.960 me a coward and i'm not neither stupid nor a coward i fucking i've never backed down from

00:08:52.220 anything uh stupid well i think i'm defensive about that i was explaining this to you last

00:08:57.940 night davis as everyone knows i've come from a really fucked up family and my siblings were out

00:09:03.940 by the time i was six brother got murdered a couple years after that the other brother and

00:09:09.580 sister went elsewhere so i was pretty much an only child the only thing i had as an identity was i was

00:09:14.580 smart they told me i was extremely smart when i was a kid and i usually like to prove that to

00:09:18.780 people who call me stupid so that that kind of has been an inspiration here too the thing here's

00:09:24.320 i'm talking about history matt matt am i wrong correct me here uh when you went on your syracuse

00:09:32.080 to portland thing to find yourself or to become a writer way back you did reach out and email me yes

00:09:41.120 jim i was gonna come into this being insulting and people who know me know i can be very

00:09:48.400 insulting when i want to be yeah but right now i'm gonna offer you an olive branch about a couple

00:09:54.000 A couple years ago, I debated a guy by the name of Beardson Beardley.

00:09:57.920 Hey, hold on, hold on one second.

00:09:58.960 Hey, Becloff, I didn't say atheist.

00:10:00.560 I already made that clear.

00:10:01.540 Don't be dumb.

00:10:02.300 Go ahead.

00:10:03.240 I debated this guy named Beardson Beardley.

00:10:05.700 If you want to find it, you can just Google.

00:10:07.740 Oh, I heard it.

00:10:08.400 I heard it.

00:10:08.880 Yeah, I did.

00:10:09.660 I'm telling the audience.

00:10:10.880 Okay.

00:10:11.240 I debated this guy named Beardson Beardley, and we've since buried the hatchet.

00:10:16.940 Things are cool between us.

00:10:18.120 But he said something during that debate that I was thinking about here.

00:10:23.000 He said that the mere fact that he got me to agree to a debate means that he, quote, fucking won.

00:10:30.020 Because he, in the context of that debate, I was the big e-celeb, and he was the up-and-coming guy who was not as well-known.

00:10:40.000 So by getting me to agree to appear on a stage with him in equal footing, I was giving him credibility and an audience that he otherwise would not have had.

00:10:51.960 Jim, you've done the exact same thing here.

00:10:55.060 The only difference is that I didn't even,

00:10:57.420 I didn't contact you.

00:10:59.180 You demanded to have this stream.

00:11:02.600 No matter what happens tonight,

00:11:04.740 you've already lost.

00:11:06.220 You've lost this.

00:11:07.400 You lost this by virtually even demanding it.

00:11:10.640 Let's get into the history.

00:11:11.520 Well, you know what you're good at, Matt?

00:11:13.460 You know what you're good at?

00:11:14.820 You're good at taking other people's ideas

00:11:16.620 just like you did with Pearson.

00:11:18.040 I'm done.

00:11:19.240 I haven't offered the olive branch yet.

00:11:21.020 y'all branch is simply this oh if we end the end of the bank now and then reading

00:11:27.140 Kendra read it afterwards I won't shit talk you I won't criticize you I won't

00:11:32.480 even mention your name anymore and we can just go away peacefully no bad blood we

00:11:37.080 don't have to like each other we can just go away because that's what it's

00:11:41.260 already been diminished by virtue of you agreeing to this well okay that shows

00:11:47.180 you have low self-esteem matt that shows you have low self-esteem because if i'm punching down that

00:11:52.860 shows you have low self-esteem which i agree with and you should if you want to get into insulting

00:11:57.180 if you think i'm afraid of being insulted by you and getting into an insult war you're wrong i'd

00:12:02.140 like to have a nice discussion but i don't think your messages and your public behavior say otherwise

00:12:08.300 my even here again dude you are you're the famous one in this equation i i don't care about fame

00:12:15.900 matt i don't care about trends like you don't care about fame i don't care about relevancy i

00:12:20.220 don't care about that fame an awful lot you're reminding me that i'm a nobody you keep talking

00:12:24.460 about when did i say you were nobody when i say you were nobody i admitted that i was a nobody

00:12:29.820 and you said in private messages at least you admit you're a nobody well yeah okay you offered

00:12:33.340 and i'm like well okay i didn't call you i have i have introspection jim i'm introspective yes you're

00:12:39.020 very self-aware matt you're very self-aware you're aware you're aware of how it looks when you close

00:12:45.100 as a pickup artist you're extremely self-aware that's a lot jim i've never once claimed to be

00:12:50.060 a pickup artist and you claim to have followed my my career i've apparently been living rent

00:12:54.700 free in your head for years and that's you're stealing someone else's idea so so we can get

00:12:59.500 into the history i'd like to go through this because this is why it's not an idea it's a fact

00:13:03.980 oh you're living rent for matt you live in my head as a source of endless comedy

00:13:09.260 and that's still in your head okay okay all right okay so i'm the one you're living in my mind okay

00:13:24.940 let's have ever written a word about you matt except these tweets over the last week over

00:13:29.660 the last week any anywhere ever you admitted that you've known about me for years you admitted that

00:13:35.500 that you've been making fun of me privately for years.

00:13:38.940 Right, because I search my name

00:13:41.140 and I find you writing about me.

00:13:42.400 Any other questions?

00:13:43.680 Have I ever written a word about you?

00:13:46.080 Have you noticed that people like Jordan Peterson

00:13:48.120 and Mike Cernovich don't do what you're doing?

00:13:50.580 They don't randomly engage people

00:13:52.740 who are much smaller than them.

00:13:53.880 They don't hunt down their critics online constantly.

00:13:56.520 I don't like Mike Cernovich or Jordan Peterson,

00:13:59.100 so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

00:14:00.720 Can we get into the history of why I find you-

00:14:02.220 Point is that you have violated

00:14:03.660 the most fundamental rule of the internet spike drains this it's called don't feed the trolls

00:14:08.700 i don't care about internet rules or any of that i don't care about memes i care about

00:14:13.580 what makes you care an awful lot because you've been uh people have been uh dunking on you the

00:14:18.620 entire week and you have been personally responding to them and uh stalking to stalking

00:14:24.060 no it's your glon friend has been coming onto my soundcloud and leaving comments

00:14:28.540 and now i've got i've got i've got the stats bro you have been listening to his podcast for two

00:14:35.040 months matt do you want to put up 10 no uh do you want to put up 10 000 bucks over whether he left

00:14:39.600 comments on me or because no i looked i looked at i have not been listening i list watched his page

00:14:46.020 because he liked my ex-co-host it looks like he took his side and that was the only thing i've

00:14:50.600 listened to maybe three total minutes and that made me his his number one user yes i'm obsessed

00:14:56.140 with you matt so have i ever written a word about you because we'll get into everything you've

00:15:01.120 written about me and said about me matt how about that i've got the screen share right here you were

00:15:05.600 listening to him back in june yeah yeah because he followed keith because he took keith's side

00:15:11.260 and that's why i don't think he's and you thought that was important enough to listen to his podcast

00:15:16.160 oh about six times i visited the page to see what keith was doing yeah and you and totally

00:15:22.600 you've listened to it like like six times according to this week you want to put up a

00:15:27.260 polygraph and 10 000 bucks because here's the thing that answer the question have i ever written

00:15:30.800 a word about you it doesn't matter whether you have the fact okay let's get it let's get into

00:15:35.620 i know about you because you fucking reached out to me you didn't answer that question did you send

00:15:40.120 me a letter and send something else you lied about by the way we can take okay i was warning

00:15:46.440 that you will lie and you will believe it matt let's go through what through what you've written

00:15:49.960 about me because you can't cite anything i've ever written about you let's go through what you've

00:15:54.060 written about me now your claim you made was that i contacted you like back in 2012 when i was

00:15:59.260 hitchhiking to ask you for advice i remember it and i remember thinking i didn't answer that's all

00:16:03.860 you didn't i did not do that i i have never well you know i was told i was told to private

00:16:08.720 conversation it's when you have leached out to me the first time that happened was three years ago

00:16:13.980 when you offered me a free copy you slid into my twitter dms because you were name searching

00:16:18.940 yourself then you i told me to email you i did and you offered me a free copy of the gigantic

00:16:24.740 book of sex let's let's let's ask this one more time have you ever have you ever seen me write

00:16:30.040 a word about you it doesn't matter you're lying you're lying about the fact that you because i

00:16:34.300 remember that's the first time i heard about how about you i got a screen shirt uh please stop

00:16:39.780 interrupting because i gotta get into what you've written about me well just just like aren't we all

00:16:44.660 agreement that you haven't written about corny there's there's no disagreement there matt has

00:16:48.980 this thing where he's written tons about me he did a 90 minute podcast about me but he wants to

00:16:53.940 project that on me being too many a time you're prominent of course he's written about you

00:17:00.260 right okay so don't he's written here's all the he's written about me i've never i've only found

00:17:05.460 him to be a joke okay so if he wants to be like a girl oh you're the one obsessed with me go ahead

00:17:10.900 and matt here's what you've written and you've written a lot of positive things about me none

00:17:14.500 of which i'm here to dispute so i'm i'm ready because because they're all true back and all

00:17:19.140 this because they're all true please don't interrupt man you're not charming just stay back and listen

00:17:23.780 you started your shit you're gonna shoot magnet dust didn't go to samana that's a very cackley

00:17:28.580 laugh jim goat is a man i admire and desperately don't want to become where's the line matt well

00:17:34.980 there's i'm telling you there's no danger of you becoming me you'll never become talented you'll

00:17:39.460 never become funny and a woman will never fall in love with you you cited me

00:17:43.840 in a Sweden speech earlier he said I was not fuckable ogre and you were

00:17:48.480 contacting my ex-girlfriends to find dirt on me I said a woman will never fall in

00:17:53.260 love with you what's wrong with that because you've disproved it by claiming

00:17:57.580 that you can't contact an ex-girlfriend of mine none of them have ever felt

00:18:01.120 claimed to be in love with you I've got I've got messages that from her to claim

00:18:05.980 otherwise i've got an entire dossier that's fine i don't think there's a danger of a woman ever

00:18:10.880 falling in love with you matt also go ahead you're a virgin no woman loves you it's like

00:18:17.960 you're you're a virgin it's like you're not a virgin like this is a really cheap internet

00:18:22.020 argument right okay fine can i get let me go through the things he said and then we'll get

00:18:26.720 on okay they seem to like why and i'll explain why i find matt so unintentionally funny but i'm

00:18:32.540 saying like this is that right there is not a valid uh it's one of those those internet bait

00:18:38.140 arguments but which which what are we talking about he's saying uh i'm obsessed with him i can

00:18:43.240 prove that he's the one that's been talking about me and i didn't get involved until he did a 90

00:18:47.740 minute thing about me you were just saying no woman will ever fall in love with you well yes

00:18:52.760 that for me's dated a number of women oh well they weren't in love with you well where's the

00:18:57.100 gold medal that you get when a woman actually falls in love with you there's no objective

00:19:00.280 measure of that it's it's one of those bait arguments and there's no objective measure

00:19:05.400 of whether or not he's going to become me either i'm i'm just responding so he has on his links

00:19:10.440 it's a blog and site that he visits regularly

00:19:24.600 just like can you hear uh goat matt i cannot i cannot hear him he appears to have dropped off

00:19:30.280 okay so jim's frozen apparently the gods have spoken all right matt so earlier jim goad was

00:19:44.540 arguing that more moral puritanicalism he was arguing i believe that the alt-right is

00:19:52.160 puritanical and they're just using morality to be dicks the same way that sjw's do uh don't you

00:19:59.380 think he had a bit of a point there can you hear me now okay okay we're back because i could hear

00:20:05.360 myself i didn't freeze i don't know what was going on that's okay listen i just asked for

00:20:08.920 me a question to clarify on one of your earlier points so i'm going to give horny the chance to

00:20:12.940 speak now um could you receive that david you kind of you kind of faded out there i don't know

00:20:18.320 if my connection is the best either on mike's being terrible okay so go earlier was arguing

00:20:23.740 that the moralism, the puritanicalism within the alt-right

00:20:28.000 boils down to this desire to bully people

00:20:30.780 the same way we see it coming out of the SJWs.

00:20:34.260 Not bully, but no, because sometimes people who moralize

00:20:37.720 are kind of cowards.

00:20:38.720 They want mobs.

00:20:39.260 Oh, yeah, people use morality to be assholes.

00:20:42.300 Yes, exactly.

00:20:44.040 You get that.

00:20:45.000 There are people in the alt-right that do that.

00:20:47.440 So where does morality play into things, Matt?

00:20:49.480 morality is the necessary bedrock for a society i mean in the article jim brings up the point that

00:20:59.300 he talks about transsexuality he says don't call transsexual degenerates call them fucked up

00:21:04.060 now okay we'll go back jim what is your opinion on homosexuality do you think it's wrong do you

00:21:09.660 think it's natural do you think it's okay do you not care i think generally i think the rates of

00:21:15.720 being molested as kids

00:21:17.760 are so high among gay people

00:21:19.740 that I think that's a factor. I don't think you're born

00:21:21.740 gay. I think it might have something

00:21:23.780 to do with sexual imprint as a result of being molested

00:21:25.860 as a kid.

00:21:26.860 What do you believe the role of homosexuality

00:21:30.120 should be in society? Do you think it should be

00:21:31.660 allowed? Do you think it should be banned? Discouraged?

00:21:34.940 I think

00:21:35.740 they're actually sort of an elite.

00:21:38.320 They make more money.

00:21:39.640 I think they're overrepresented in creative and intellectual

00:21:41.880 fields. Unless they're spreading

00:21:43.700 unless they're spreading disease i'm not i'm not cool about the disease spreading and i did an

00:21:47.700 article about that when charlie sheen got uh hiv it's like i think uh the average gay male dies 12

00:21:54.800 years younger that's a problem and of course i laugh at the idea that uh it's something to be

00:21:59.380 celebrated these people are dying well and i think they are fucked up well the thing the thing is do

00:22:04.020 i need to call people fags all the time no that that suggests something else well the problem is

00:22:09.200 you tacked transsexuality in that article

00:22:11.680 yeah I think they're delusional

00:22:13.140 and I think they have a neuro

00:22:15.240 I don't think that's a result of molestation

00:22:17.160 I think that's a neurological problem

00:22:18.500 but on what basis can you claim that homosexuality

00:22:21.800 isn't a mental disorder

00:22:23.080 homosexuality is by definition

00:22:25.960 unnatural

00:22:26.720 it's highly dangerous

00:22:29.420 it's one of the most dangerous activities a human being

00:22:31.800 can engage in

00:22:32.440 if it's highly unnatural why are there like 400

00:22:34.680 species that practice it

00:22:37.280 well you think we do you think humans are just the exactly the same as animals do you believe

00:22:43.080 that there's a little smarter i think i think we are evolved from animals yes i don't believe we

00:22:47.360 have souls or anything like that and you definitely you have the most soulless eyes i've ever seen so

00:22:51.580 if anyone doesn't have a soul at you uh nash with the grade school insults but here's the thing

00:22:57.760 here's the thing jim tell me the thing the thing the thing is you haven't explained why god would

00:23:04.680 get angry but that's okay tell me this get to the thing yeah good with the

00:23:08.640 theologist if you want theology the problem is that homosexuality and oh

00:23:16.560 you cannot ex you cannot ex you cannot it condemn one but not the other okay

00:23:25.180 human beings are two different phenomena where human beings are not the

00:23:31.720 same as animals. We have consciousness, which is something that cannot exist in a 2 plus 2 EMC

00:23:37.780 equals square world. Consciousness... Animals aren't conscious? Animals aren't conscious? Is that what

00:23:43.980 you're saying? Well, you and I are thinking and, well, I don't know if you're thinking, but okay,

00:23:49.620 I mean, I can see you thinking and giving ideas and we're communicating. We live beyond the world

00:23:54.600 of pure instinct. Animals,

00:23:56.860 they eat, they shit,

00:23:58.780 they sleep, and that's it.

00:24:00.560 There are some flashes of intelligence

00:24:02.440 like dolphins and whatnot.

00:24:04.860 And I'm saying, we cannot...

00:24:06.820 If we are

00:24:07.800 the most evolved form

00:24:10.740 of life on this planet,

00:24:12.440 if we are the most

00:24:13.860 highest

00:24:16.020 of the species on this planet,

00:24:18.620 we can't just say,

00:24:20.880 oh, we can't just compare ourselves to

00:24:22.500 some fucking dogs fucking each other

00:24:24.480 and be like, yeah, that's okay.

00:24:25.800 Then we can just, you know,

00:24:26.980 we'll do that, okay?

00:24:28.380 Matt, if you have such a...

00:24:29.340 That's where the term degenerate comes from.

00:24:30.700 Hold on, Matt. Hold on, Matt.

00:24:31.900 Degenerate implies that you've degenerated

00:24:33.980 from a state of higher state.

00:24:36.180 Matt, this higher state,

00:24:37.680 what I think morality is,

00:24:39.220 I think it's a function of evolution.

00:24:41.300 Go ahead, Davis.

00:24:42.240 Go ahead, Davis.

00:24:42.960 And I think you're letting him talk more.

00:24:44.680 Let me make my point.

00:24:45.660 Go ahead, Davis.

00:24:46.580 There's a species of beetle in Australia

00:24:48.940 that is highly sexually attracted

00:24:51.560 to the green beer bottles

00:24:53.440 they used to have there, and it was going

00:24:55.240 extinct because it would keep trying to mate

00:24:57.460 with the beer bottles. But there are like, I think

00:24:59.520 400, 500 species that aren't going

00:25:01.420 extinct that have, you know,

00:25:03.380 but the point Matt is trying to make

00:25:05.480 is that this animal's instincts

00:25:07.640 got short-circuited

00:25:09.020 by an artificial stimulus.

00:25:11.780 I think fucking green bottles might be

00:25:13.520 a problem, yeah. Here's the thing.

00:25:15.000 Here's the thing. Let me make my point. Please let me

00:25:17.000 make my point. We are animals who

00:25:18.980 have evolved this.

00:25:19.880 finish everyone's everyone's talking done it's nearly done his point is that we are self-reflective

00:25:26.240 beings that can change our behavior i look at my dog's behavior i think he has a conscience he

00:25:31.800 knows when he's being bad when we recognize that something we're doing is not productive

00:25:38.000 or conducive to our survival like eating a lot of chocolate or homosexuality or having sex with

00:25:43.600 green bottles we as higher beings ought to change that now please go ahead

00:25:48.580 uh he's still muted and for the record i was not speaking you have to unmute yourself sorry about

00:25:58.360 that yeah i don't know how that got clicked okay i think we are animals that have evolved to the

00:26:03.080 point where we evolved these silly ideas and i think these ideas come from the fact that we are

00:26:08.220 animals we have evolved what morality is generally because it's never applied across the board when

00:26:14.740 the arabs fight the christians they both think they're the good guys so what's the constant oh

00:26:19.380 when we live we're the good guys when they die they're the bad guys and that's the only constant

00:26:25.340 it is tied to the survival instinct so it is an animal thing but to think it's this aristotelian

00:26:30.700 universal where or homosexual like some of them don't die 12 years younger some of them make a

00:26:37.540 of money some of them are innovators i mean who is it alan touring he world won part of world war

00:26:42.100 ii yes i think they're valuable in some way isn't touring the guy who's forced to be chemically

00:26:46.900 castrated by the government yeah he was and if matt matt if you're against gayness why did you

00:26:51.220 walk around with no clothes on in front of edwin and his friend when it was too hot in chicago and

00:26:54.820 you couldn't wear any clothes and they were freaked out by it what the hell are you talking

00:26:58.820 that's what edwin osland said that you walked around naked and they were really freaked out

00:27:02.100 because you're so fat that you got too hot in the summertime and you would walk around naked and

00:27:05.540 insist on it that is the most ridiculous lie i've ever heard you think i made that up i know what

00:27:14.260 you made up the fact that i contacted you back in 2012 and i can't matt matt let's let's take let's

00:27:20.180 put it to a lie detector test matt are you willing to do that how about i just screen share it'll be

00:27:24.260 faster okay because i don't delete emails everyone who knows me knows this you can lie about that

00:27:29.300 i'll do i remember it distinctly if you i know it's a hurt your ego that your hero doesn't like

00:27:36.260 you but matt that's what that's what's going on here dude i don't care okay and i'm going to prove

00:27:41.380 that why would you do it not you can't prove that you can't prove what's in your heart are you that

00:27:45.860 dumb that you think you can prove what you're feeling an email record no you can't because you

00:27:51.220 could have deleted deleted some of it matt how about you prove it then okay if you remember this

00:27:56.660 so clearly you've got an uh remember why would that be so embarrassing to you okay let's go this

00:28:02.500 way let's let's even drop that you will open up your email inbox and share it because i'm showing

00:28:07.700 mine right now and you can see right here the only email conversation we ever had is right here from

00:28:12.580 2015. if you have an email jim and you clearly remember it so i assume you look i clearly

00:28:18.020 remember why would i lie about it it's not even it's not even that dammit can you get him to shut

00:28:23.460 up a little bit he's shouting davis i'm trying to have a rational conversation but he's getting

00:28:27.140 upset here's the thing i'm saying i'm saying screen share your inbox my computer may have

00:28:33.860 died and that's not enough i will take a lie detector test i don't know why it's so humiliating

00:28:37.460 that you reach it because i remember this why would i remember i don't understand why you felt

00:28:40.420 the need to lie about something so petty and inconsequential and you know what's funny you

00:28:43.860 got you got offended when i i think he froze again uh davis are you there he froze i'm not

00:28:51.860 keep going that okay uh here's here's what i'm saying uh when i when jim angrily reached out to

00:29:01.300 me early this week demanding that i appear on his podcast and he would tear me a new one

00:29:05.300 oh you know the one where you've liked every single episode and you're the only person who

00:29:09.340 every like every single episode you've managed to prove i've liked the podcast way to go anyway

00:29:13.680 and when i said so i'm obsessed with you because you've fucking stalked and listened to and liked

00:29:18.420 every one of my pockets i got i've never listened to one of yours but hey accept that one because

00:29:22.420 my name dude dude i over the weekend when you angrily demanded i appear on your podcast you

00:29:27.700 are the weirdest guy in this entire scene man but go ahead i still do on your podcast

00:29:37.540 make out there you are you're gay you're gay okay you admitted it you're a homosexual good

00:29:44.180 i will take a lie detector test about that mail but it's a distraction

00:29:47.140 did you not write reviews of my books am i disconnected again you've proven that i've

00:29:51.780 written reviews of your books okay have i ever written a word detective goat on the case

00:29:56.260 well you're you're writing for the fbi with that

00:30:01.380 reviews of his books correct yeah i mean matt you're going to dispute that you've given a lot

00:30:07.060 more public attention to me than i have to you are you going to give it a lot more mental attention

00:30:11.220 to me buddy i have not the only thing matt okay hold on a second matt head is the crystal ball

00:30:17.140 that you use to read other people's minds does that weigh 300 pounds too because you can't read

00:30:21.940 my mind you're not even you're not even aware of yourself or how silly you look so you can't read

00:30:39.380 in my mind you can't boomer matt you've got the body of a 57 year old i've got the body of a 30

00:30:44.940 year old this would become skinny but an old fossil like you can't become young and relevant

00:30:51.400 again oh relevant again with the relevant i don't care about popularity you do about how like oh i

00:30:57.080 know i'm more successful than me you know and and when did i say that when did i were successful

00:31:03.160 back in the 90s when did i say that when did i say it was more successful you're lying you're

00:31:07.820 lying you're lying liar liar pants on fire okay jim let's let's let's let's back up a bit you have

00:31:16.840 and you got you your book the redneck manifesto was published by a new york publishing house

00:31:22.040 and that's a pretty big accomplishment that's a pretty that's objectively a big pretty big

00:31:26.600 accomplishment right you were you're friends with what don't you understand about i don't

00:31:31.540 care about popularity you don't care about popularity huh that's why when did i ever say

00:31:36.420 i was more popular when did i ever say i was popular than you do you recall me ever saying

00:31:41.460 that or using that as an argument this is matt's concern i don't care about being more popular

00:31:45.540 i've never wanted to be popular privately obviously i know i don't network are a successful

00:31:51.140 writer well i don't make do i make a point of that you're the ones making a point of that not me

00:31:56.180 and you also love talking about how other people have praised you like when i proposed

00:32:00.100 i proposed three moderators for this debate right uh davis luke ford and nick fuentes and you were

00:32:05.940 like well luke ford has called me the best writer in america and fuentes thinks i'm a genius you

00:32:10.020 know right no no call me brilliant and the reason don't interrupt me on your podcast davis can you

00:32:15.380 be a little because i'll just start shouting too and then it'll be nothing the reason i said that

00:32:19.940 matt can you can you take me at my word here matt because i think i found in my history people who

00:32:24.740 think other people are lying all the time or projecting the reason the reason i brought that

00:32:29.300 you've been repeatedly calling matt forney a liar well he because this is why he's saying you said

00:32:36.020 that to say you're famous no the reason i said the cup stop stop stop stop stop stop let me talk let

00:32:41.780 me talk the reason let me say the reason i said that stop interrupting you little baby talk about

00:32:47.220 objective facts here that and you said he emailed you in 2012. yes no i didn't here's my email

00:32:53.700 account well you can delete it shit that's not proof of anything i'll either find it or i'll

00:32:57.840 take a lie detector test next subject he's written a lot about me okay the reason i said

00:33:02.280 he's a fan of yours that's fine let me let me talk about why i mentioned luke ford and nick

00:33:09.280 it wasn't to blow me up it was to say that they might be biased in my favor i know you're his

00:33:14.260 buddy so i was being as fair as i could do you understand that now matt i could i could make the

00:33:19.920 counter-argument that you chose him so you could whine and bitch after I push

00:33:23.940 your shit and that he was biased again why is it all about ass sex with you

00:33:31.240 you're the one who fuck dudes dude don't ask me I never fucked a dude I got a

00:33:35.580 blowjob you're a fucking liar you admitted this and shit Mike man I never

00:33:39.540 said I fucked a guy Matt oh here's the quote dude page

00:33:44.620 Smattering of teenage homo experiences.

00:33:47.400 Yeah, I'm fucked a guy.

00:33:48.660 Where did I say I fucked a guy?

00:33:50.080 You said smattering of teenage homo experiences.

00:33:52.420 Nothing to say about fucking a guy.

00:33:53.800 Blowjob.

00:33:55.180 Dude.

00:33:55.440 You're the one always talking about fags.

00:33:57.340 You're the one walking around as an adult.

00:33:59.640 If you have homo experiences, you lose.

00:34:03.360 It doesn't matter what the topic is.

00:34:04.940 You lose.

00:34:05.900 Good day, sir.

00:34:07.180 Is he quitting?

00:34:08.580 No, you lose.

00:34:10.300 If you think that's the thing that makes someone lose, go nurse that delusion.

00:34:14.620 I already said you want this by virtue of showing up.

00:34:17.720 You can say it because it protects your ego, Matt.

00:34:20.120 No, I'm saying it because it's true.

00:34:22.220 You should be, someone of your statue

00:34:24.320 should be ignoring me.

00:34:25.320 My statue?

00:34:26.520 Your stat shirt.

00:34:27.820 Oh, your stat shirt.

00:34:29.920 Okay.

00:34:30.820 Okay, writer man.

00:34:31.720 The point is that I should not be important to you.

00:34:34.520 Yet here you are demanding to take up my valuable time.

00:34:38.120 Oh, your valuable time.

00:34:40.620 Telling lies about me, contacting my exes.

00:34:43.720 No, you're not obsessed.

00:34:46.080 No, because I'm a good...

00:34:48.100 Okay, let's talk about what your ex has said, okay?

00:34:52.260 If you want to bring that up, Matt, let's talk about it.

00:34:54.340 Let's talk about how you're a fraud.

00:34:56.180 Okay, you used to do a blog under a pseudonym, right?

00:35:00.860 For three years, right?

00:35:02.120 Yeah, I did.

00:35:03.040 Okay, then you wrote a book, a review of this book under your own name.

00:35:06.840 You called yourself the Andy Warhol of the alternative right.

00:35:11.320 Okay, you're actually...

00:35:12.000 Hold on, hold on.

00:35:12.760 you're actually the Andrea Dworkin of the men's rights movement that's neither here nor there

00:35:16.660 and I never said you're one of the no it says you were one of the founders of the manosphere

00:35:21.980 okay okay the same thing okay then you're the Andrea Dworkin of the manosphere is that better

00:35:27.160 Matt okay and here's what you said about you're not one to be pigeonholed your equal parts Royce

00:35:32.140 mentions mobile Mark Ames and st. Augustine tearing into the lives of the left with equal

00:35:37.120 plumb oh and this is what you say you are one of the best writers of modern times and no that is

00:35:43.120 not hyper you're living you're you're i'm i have so much rent free space in your head that you're

00:35:48.080 seeking out i wrote years ago do you in in a couple days before this debate yeah was this

00:35:53.920 his bio on in malefide uh his he wrote for the uh colin liddell richard spencer site and we do

00:36:01.600 congratulations again you've been nerfed something that was public knowledge long before you got

00:36:05.440 around to it but hey you know keep it up the obvious takes dude maybe i'm not the one writing

00:36:10.880 glowing reviews of myself you can make me mental or anything but you're the one writing glowing

00:36:14.880 reviews of yourself so you're a fake that's a bio have you not never written a bio that

00:36:21.120 like we've all written bios for these websites it's dishonest he's claiming under another name

00:36:26.000 that his own name well i did write this review buddy and guess what colin liddell asked me to

00:36:31.440 and it's been public knowledge so i did he ask you to call yourself one of the greatest writers

00:36:35.680 of your generation matt no he told me to write the review and so you called yourself one of

00:36:40.400 the greatest writers because no one else was okay all right now guess what i was also much

00:36:44.960 would you like to pretend that your current hostility toward the alt-right has nothing

00:36:48.160 to do with their rejection of you man i've been rejected by people who are reprehensible

00:36:52.960 shit that's got I really feel broken up about that that's all you do is talk

00:37:01.300 about the people you tried to suck up to reject oh yeah you're posing with all

00:37:11.440 them and they fucking laughed at you because you're laughable well they're

00:37:14.760 all fucking failure they're all fucking losers and I'm compared to you Matt

00:37:19.780 they're losers okay you're not no you're not delusional you're not delusional

00:37:25.460 that here we go why don't you what you are so you are so out of touch you're

00:37:30.100 fucking wrong about Emily not relevant you think Emily is relevant she's more

00:37:38.720 than you cared about Emily Ucas since they care more than they care about you

00:37:42.280 man she she has been fallen so far that she has been reduced to doing publicity

00:37:46.840 see falling from grace and retard Patrick little how strong do your angel wings have to be to lift

00:37:51.380 that body of yours man like I said fat people can get skinny you're still gonna be an old fossil at

00:37:56.600 the end Matt like I said I've got the 30 year olds body you've got the 57 and you'll be dead

00:38:01.000 of a heart attack within five years you're never gonna get out of grids within five years buddy

00:38:04.900 you don't look well I really enjoyed that backdrop by the way accentuates just fucking let's go let's

00:38:11.380 go Matt anytime you want violence against me holy shit you put in the second rule of the

00:38:16.300 internet oh rules of the internet Matt don't look well Matt you've never looked

00:38:20.440 well as a baby as a baby you didn't look well you've never looked well in your

00:38:24.940 life I'm not gonna fight you dude because I'm not gonna get slapped I'm

00:38:28.900 not making up a literal recharge hate Matt if you'd like to take an eye

00:38:32.560 guitar use enhancement literal retard would have an IQ lower than 75 would you

00:38:37.300 like to take an IQ you test against humans you the test god damage what do

00:38:43.240 where those while you're making IQ constantly making statement you're

00:38:46.720 making statements that I can prove you're wrong about that's why because I

00:38:49.840 stick to facts and your little bitter baby and you're terrified of black men

00:38:57.180 the key to mad is everything he says about you that sounds random sounds that

00:39:01.420 way because it's actually about him so if you're thinking where the hell did

00:39:04.600 that come from he has no spine no actual personality of his own and no moral

00:39:11.520 center which can make that's the fakest laugh i've ever heard which can make the experience

00:39:15.520 kind of disgusting as well well he tried to be all right but he also tried to sell can he not uh

00:39:21.040 interrupt me there davis there is supposed to be moderation yes davis i think davis is muted

00:39:26.000 i was asking you to clarify what you're talking about five minutes ago and you're both talking

00:39:29.440 over me so you're laughing you keep going jim okay we're doing the internet blood sports trend

00:39:34.400 which is what you know another example of uh old uh old grandpa jim here riding off a trend that

00:39:39.600 has already crested i get more ass in a week than you ever get in your lifetime so if you want to

00:39:44.000 make age a thing but again like i said i've got the 30 year old's body you've got the 57 and what

00:39:48.880 is what does age was about sex it's like oh the worst thing that could happen you were best known

00:39:54.160 for pretending you knew anything about sex and then the world laughed when they saw your picture

00:39:59.840 okay projection matt that's not true go right ahead okay sex let's let's see what you've oh

00:40:05.360 buddy oh he's getting tough let's see what you wrote about sex okay here we go a few months ago

00:40:11.760 and this is you know now matt who's matt is a fucking he's the world's most obese chameleon

00:40:16.080 he was a men's guy then he was an alt-right guy now he's a trad guy about against degeneracy three

00:40:21.920 years three years ago he wrote this then deleted it so like mark ames he's a sex tourist and

00:40:27.760 somebody who brags about raping oh mark ames another guy you've stalked for years because

00:40:31.440 he ever stalked him he I actually have a documented emails after making what you

00:40:40.120 were I can't you're talking over you're talking over each other your typical

00:40:43.560 Portland hipster he made fun of you for it and you never forgave him because

00:40:46.500 like always you always you read a book about narcissism you don't sound

00:40:51.480 intelligent you know what a narcissist is it's somebody that is more exciting

00:40:55.440 than a boring person like you okay so here's what you wrote a few months ago I

00:40:59.640 I was staying at the apartment of one of my fuck buddies.

00:41:01.520 Ooh, Matt was a degenerate three years ago.

00:41:03.820 Getting drunk with her and banging in between bouts

00:41:06.420 of puking in the shower and playing with her cats.

00:41:09.080 Okay, we were cuddling in her bed

00:41:10.560 when I decided to be the man and start taking her clothes off.

00:41:13.600 No, she started sort of mad,

00:41:15.200 but she didn't offer any resistance.

00:41:16.460 Okay, then later on, and she told me she's very,

00:41:19.820 she says, I don't like it in the ass.

00:41:21.800 After about 10 minutes, she started yelping

00:41:23.300 like she was having her fingernails ripped out.

00:41:24.960 You're not enjoying this, I whispered in the air.

00:41:26.540 No, it feels like you're stabbing me, my asshole.

00:41:28.460 I kept thrusting.

00:41:29.640 hmm you were bragging about fucking chicks in the ass against their will

00:41:34.060 three years ago and you deleted it but there's a way back machine so cook

00:41:37.940 County Illinois might want to know something about this and I've got other

00:41:40.920 testimonies that said you raped the chick but then you try claiming that she

00:41:44.760 rape you go ahead who gets to talk Jesus Christ man this is the biggest here's

00:42:06.720 what you wrote Matt Matt with his his internet he's cell phoning Matt so you

00:42:14.580 picture you owned yourself Matt also wrote a blog piece claiming to break buddy that's tough talk

00:42:23.220 Matt also wrote a block here well let me can I finish and we'll talk about this because it gets

00:42:28.220 serious Matt more serious than you're going to expect let me look can Davis we stop little Matt

00:42:35.160 baby interrupting I'm asking Davis because you welcome you're just interrupting me here I'm just

00:42:39.800 See here, you're complaining about bias like we said you would.

00:42:43.560 I'm not complaining about bias.

00:42:44.780 I'm asking him to keep you quiet.

00:42:46.320 I'm the one.

00:42:46.700 He's not having to do that to me.

00:42:47.880 I was being quiet, buddy.

00:42:49.000 Buddy.

00:42:49.900 Do you sound tough with the buddy, Matt?

00:42:52.140 Don't make your point.

00:42:53.660 Matt also wrote a blog piece claiming that he anally raped me.

00:42:57.180 Literally accused himself in order to brag that he got away with it.

00:43:00.640 He's deleted it because I guess even he's not stupid enough to leave self-rape accusations

00:43:04.680 out there.

00:43:05.160 I don't ever recall having a sore butt, but maybe that's just a penis size issue.

00:43:11.180 All right.

00:43:12.060 So, did I tell you he moved in next door to stalk me?

00:43:15.340 Shockingly, this did not result in becoming my girlfriend.

00:43:17.600 I think that's why he's so enraged.

00:43:19.520 I wasn't saying anything in public about him, as much as it annoyed me that he managed to

00:43:22.920 leave people with the impression that we had been a couple.

00:43:25.180 It's a long story, the very abbreviated version.

00:43:27.520 He's still mad that he bragged to the entire world that he was dating me before asking

00:43:31.380 me to date him.

00:43:32.100 When I declined, he was rightfully humiliated, so he's been looking for an opening to write a string of sour grapes and sanity ever since.

00:43:38.640 I feel strange.

00:43:40.040 I feel this strange childish need to post photos of my actual dude and every guy I've ever dated.

00:43:44.620 Matt is probably larger than all of them put together, and he would be, by a wide margin, the dumbest in the lineup.

00:43:50.320 And I think she might agree with you here about I am punching down.

00:43:53.780 Okay, first off, dude is a desperate.

00:43:55.060 Her name is Anne Sterzinger, dipshit.

00:43:56.660 I know who you're talking about.

00:43:58.400 Her name is Anne Sterzinger.

00:43:59.920 Okay, here's some facts about Anne Sterzinger.

00:44:02.100 She is a failed novelist.

00:44:04.220 You get 8,500 words about it.

00:44:05.780 She's more successful than you, but anyway.

00:44:08.120 She's a bisexual, lifelong alcoholic.

00:44:11.240 I can't hear what Davis is saying.

00:44:12.800 She's been out of the hospital for her entire life for her alcoholism.

00:44:15.440 I can't hear what she is.

00:44:17.040 She's admittedly mentally ill, has been committed to her mental illness, and has committed, attempted suicide multiple times because of her mental illness.

00:44:26.220 Right.

00:44:26.420 But she has probably admitted that I had to rescue her from.

00:44:29.620 She disputes that.

00:44:30.660 This is your source.

00:44:31.660 someone who was literally declared by the state to be mentally insane oh by the way you just

00:44:36.500 you've just never been you've just never been examined you've just never been examined

00:44:40.420 i'm hearing uh i'm hearing davis one of you talk at the same time because you were complaining that

00:44:52.320 you didn't get a chance to speak and now you're speaking over 40 and i'm trying to ask you be

00:44:55.700 quiet so give i'm i'm asking you what you're saying that's all it's hard you're muffled and

00:44:59.680 What I was saying is give Forney a chance to speak.

00:45:02.500 All we are saying, let's give Matt a chance.

00:45:06.860 Go, Matt.

00:45:07.340 I'm not done, dipshit, okay?

00:45:09.060 Here's what I say.

00:45:10.120 Your entire shtick, Jim, from your career,

00:45:12.700 you talk about how you never take a woman's word.

00:45:15.560 Who's smiling and who's angry and who won't show his face?

00:45:18.160 Who's angry, Matt?

00:45:19.140 Come on.

00:45:19.380 You wrote an entire book about how unfair it was that you went to prison

00:45:22.800 because society and the law took your crazy ex's claims of abuse against you

00:45:28.480 more seriously. You wrote the, I've got the book. You wrote about that. And yet here you are

00:45:34.300 attacking me based solely on the word of a woman who was declared by the state of Illinois to be

00:45:39.740 legally insane. You've just proven that I was right when I said that you're a coward with no

00:45:44.900 principles. You are a coward, dude. And guess what? If Ann Sturziger wants to come on the stream

00:45:51.660 and defend herself, she's more than welcome to, because guess what? I've got every text message

00:45:55.880 that she sent me, I've got

00:45:57.260 evidence. And Irini

00:45:59.780 happens to know her as well.

00:46:01.520 He happens to

00:46:03.600 know her as well.

00:46:05.880 She can come on here and defend herself

00:46:07.680 and claim that her

00:46:09.820 story, she's always

00:46:11.880 changing her story because she's mentally ill.

00:46:14.340 Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention,

00:46:15.920 my relationship with Ann began

00:46:17.500 five hours after she met me when she tried to

00:46:19.820 sleep with me while her boyfriend

00:46:21.880 was sleeping 10 feet away.

00:46:23.920 She got me drunk

00:46:25.380 took advantage of the fact that I liked her, and then something's like, ooh, let's have sex on the

00:46:30.520 couch, okay? And you know what? Unlike her and unlike you, Jim, I have enough introspection to

00:46:36.180 realize why I fell for that stupidity. And that is why I took a more Christian turn.

00:46:46.240 You two, on the other hand, are still trapped in this aging juvenile delinquent mentality,

00:46:53.400 which everything is always somebody else's fault.

00:46:56.220 That's why you're fucking – you're what?

00:46:59.200 You're nearly 60, Jim.

00:47:00.860 You're a few short years from collecting Social Security,

00:47:04.040 and you're acting like a fucking 15-year-old.

00:47:09.840 So Amber Dersinger, she's welcome to come on the stream.

00:47:12.060 Irini can give her the link, and she can – we can see how reliable a witness that she is.

00:47:16.940 But you know what?

00:47:17.400 Like I said, I've got tons of text messages.

00:47:19.240 Hell, she has admitted in public time that she's mentally insane.

00:47:22.760 She wrote a book, New Squam Nowhere, based in part off her experience in a mental hospital.

00:47:27.480 If you go to the article on her site, NPR versus Ann Sturzinger, she says she admits the fact that she was thrown in a mental hospital because she got drunk at a bar and started talking about killing herself, which is something I kind of dispute because given how crazy she is, I have no idea what's the plane of reality she's on most of the time.

00:47:46.880 But you know what?

00:47:48.620 She's welcome.

00:47:49.360 She's welcome to come on here to make heads or tails of that.

00:47:51.600 I know she won't because she loves shit-talking me from to my mutual our mutual friend. She loves talking

00:47:56.560 Can you mute him now like you did like you didn't me for ten fucking minutes, okay?

00:48:02.760 That was insane. Okay, okay

00:48:07.600 Okay, but you got to give me ten cuz you just gave him a long time Davis

00:48:13.780 You didn't have him muted for one minute though

00:48:16.240 okay can you be quiet Matt because I was reading and then you interrupted me but

00:48:24.220 anyway being quiet go ahead okay the key to Matt is everything that he says

00:48:29.000 about you sounds random to him we got through that he tried to be all right

00:48:32.440 but he also tried to sell his advice on dating but the only women who will date

00:48:35.320 him are desperate whores in the Philippines he doesn't even realize he's

00:48:38.800 lying most of the time and the reason I'm bringing this up Matt it's not a

00:48:41.260 hypocrite you didn't prove anything the reason I wrote shit magnet was I was in

00:48:45.100 prison for two and a half years these other girls were running their mouths for two and a half years

00:48:48.620 i would have never written shit maggot if that hadn't happened i'm unlike you in the fact that

00:48:53.900 i'm not the first one to go public with this shit you have acted like a girl with ann with

00:48:58.640 racial haywire with jordan owen doing these public ridiculously embarrassed oh jordan owen's going to

00:49:03.560 be the next elliott right and they're insane but you're the one who does this i'm just hold on

00:49:08.660 Doreenie, you gotta

00:49:10.660 fucking be fair here. I mean, you were fair

00:49:12.800 until now. Mute him.

00:49:14.920 Okay? He had

00:49:16.800 a lot more time to speak than I did.

00:49:18.920 Now it's being ridiculous.

00:49:21.040 Okay.

00:49:23.200 There's a great example.

00:49:24.360 What I'm doing is I'm letting her

00:49:26.100 express her side because I think she was a little too

00:49:28.760 dignified to be that fucking

00:49:30.200 gay about it in public.

00:49:32.900 There's a great example of his delusions

00:49:34.620 in a blog piece he wrote about how terrible

00:49:36.760 fat people are.

00:49:38.660 I've never met anyone who was more blatantly delusional.

00:49:42.500 Okay.

00:49:43.060 So what we're going to get to down here is the other night.

00:49:47.780 Well,

00:49:48.160 the thing is Matt has increased said that she insinuated that she tried to

00:49:51.420 sexually assault him.

00:49:52.900 He out of himself as raping her ass when she said to stop and he went going

00:49:57.700 on,

00:49:57.900 he deleted it.

00:49:58.800 He was either lying.

00:50:00.120 Maybe he'll try to claim he was lying and not a degenerate three year.

00:50:03.780 I mean,

00:50:03.980 he changes like a chameleon.

00:50:05.860 Like I see sheds the skin.

00:50:06.980 There's no core.

00:50:08.660 Okay, actually, let me address this question to you, Matt.

00:50:11.800 One, did you rape a girl in the ass and then brag about it?

00:50:15.820 And two, did you used to be a degenerate?

00:50:19.300 First off, no, I didn't rape a girl in the ass.

00:50:21.720 I didn't even have sex with Ann Sturzinger in the ass.

00:50:24.420 And the fact that she claimed that I did is probably a more hilarious cell phone than what Jim is doing here.

00:50:30.540 Like, that is the purest definition of an unforced error.

00:50:36.160 Okay?

00:50:36.940 So, no, no.

00:50:37.880 the the claim that it felt like she was stabbing my asshole was something she said while i was

00:50:42.540 putting it in the normal hole and you know what okay but you kept going then when she said no

00:50:47.460 are you a feminist now like i'm a feminist i'm saying are you a rapist you claimed you were

00:50:51.880 i'm just asking were you lying or are you that's all it was not rape dipshit when she says stop

00:50:57.180 and you keep going technically legally dumbass that's rape and you owned yourself talk about

00:51:01.160 owning yourself talk about owning talk about owning yourself you admitted to it in something

00:51:06.360 that's still on the way back machine and yet mysteriously she has failed to go to the police

00:51:10.700 well you know what happened you know what happened at madden this this is where it's going to get

00:51:14.540 serious she was actually raped the other night because we were talking about all this stuff and

00:51:19.420 this was a weird fucking synchronicity okay we were talking about this and that i mean we were

00:51:24.740 sharing jokes i didn't really get into all the things i thought that were funny about you um

00:51:28.340 we can but i guess this is getting darker but uh and we talked about the uh the allegations and

00:51:35.180 that it was silly for you to say that you kept

00:51:37.100 going, you know, because she said

00:51:39.100 that you insinuated in this 8,500

00:51:40.900 word piece you did about her. I was told

00:51:43.160 it was 8,500. It was pretty fucking long. I didn't read

00:51:45.020 all of it. She said that you

00:51:46.980 sort of insinuated that she forced herself on you.

00:51:49.380 I wasn't there. I don't know. But here

00:51:51.340 you said

00:51:52.580 that she said no and I kept

00:51:55.040 thrusting. You denying that?

00:51:58.660 She

00:51:59.100 softly moaned it, which doesn't mean

00:52:01.020 no. No is when you

00:52:02.940 say stop and resist.

00:52:04.260 no no she whined it feels like you're stabbing me in the asshole why not softly you're a liar

00:52:12.140 you changed it i proved i proved it empirically that you lied so you're a self-admitted rapist

00:52:19.960 okay you're a feminist i never said i was a feminist i actually like to look at both sides

00:52:25.660 of any issue matt but here's the thing she did get raped actually raped the other night and i

00:52:29.880 think this is serious and maybe cool down a little bit to hear this because this is one of these

00:52:33.880 my life is just filled with these sort of circumstances we were talking about this and

00:52:38.140 we stopped talking i got what i needed and about two in the morning i got this uh this text uh a

00:52:45.100 neighbor or someone just came in and raped me i'm like you serious i didn't know if she was telling

00:52:50.620 a joke and she said yeah i don't know if i should call the cops because uh it's probably someone

00:52:56.500 from my building because it's thundering outside and he had no shoes on and uh he was dry and i

00:53:03.280 want them to kill me i'm like call the cops it's not like they're acting nice to you anyway if you

00:53:07.840 don't believe me she's there's a uh there's a thing they give out to rape victims and a hospital

00:53:12.720 ban on her wrist hold on i think illustrates forny's point is that she got go ahead hold

00:53:20.080 anyone up and said after forny had awkward drunk sex with her should i phone the police i believe

00:53:25.360 she went out for breakfast with him the next day no she was she was in the hospital for two days

00:53:30.160 what she said okay here's about the matt situation what she said about that was that she was so drunk

00:53:37.520 she doesn't know if it happened what she what she did say is she doesn't remember having a sore butt

00:53:41.200 that that might be because of his dick okay but just you know take a page from bill if you go for

00:53:46.440 dinner with the person that you say raped you it wasn't she didn't say that she didn't say we're

00:53:50.300 talking about matt saying he did it she never said that she said she was too drunk the only reason

00:53:55.240 that i was even at her place to begin with because the day before we had been having a conversation

00:53:59.780 and then out of the blue, she asked me to come over

00:54:01.860 with, quote, a 24-pack

00:54:03.900 of beer and some thick fucking

00:54:05.880 condoms. She literally called

00:54:07.840 me over for a booty call.

00:54:09.560 You're obviously so desirable, Matt.

00:54:12.140 I have messages, but I can

00:54:13.920 screen share it, buddy. I'm not saying

00:54:15.840 she's got bad taste then.

00:54:18.040 No, that's all.

00:54:19.580 How do you feel about the fact she was actually raped

00:54:21.780 the other night, Matt?

00:54:23.520 Let Matt address it.

00:54:26.160 Matt, did you used to be a degenerate

00:54:27.780 are you repentant now or are you a chameleon

00:54:29.940 that changes his spots like a tie

00:54:31.920 or something? I used to be a degenerate.

00:54:34.420 My writing is

00:54:35.460 freely available for anyone to see

00:54:37.820 what I used to wrote. I've never hidden anything.

00:54:40.360 I've never deleted anything. By the way, Jim,

00:54:42.180 that post about Anne,

00:54:44.060 I deleted it at her request

00:54:45.700 a full month after she had read

00:54:47.980 the post, thought it was hot,

00:54:50.300 masturbated to it for a fucking week

00:54:51.920 straight, and then invited me over

00:54:53.680 to fuck her

00:54:55.880 again she didn't have a problem with it until a month later then she asked me to take it down

00:55:00.600 and i i said she was like well why didn't you know she's like that hurt me i'm like okay well

00:55:05.260 you were not acting like you were hurt but what did she do to you what did she do to you publicly

00:55:09.940 that would cause this shit right here it's all i got you know what i i treated her like a groupie

00:55:16.160 and you know what she acted like a groupie okay what did what did she do seriously what did she

00:55:20.500 do to uh cause this public thing that you would do because to me that's what hold on let me

00:55:25.720 finish the question because to me in my experience

00:55:27.660 and like I said I wrote ship magnet as

00:55:29.720 response in my observations through

00:55:31.640 my life the people that go public

00:55:33.580 with their laundry are the girls

00:55:34.940 and then maybe the guys respond maybe

00:55:37.560 they don't so what did she do to

00:55:38.980 cause she's the sickest most fucked up

00:55:41.600 what did she do? She was anonymous

00:55:43.400 in that piece for the record

00:55:44.700 I'm sorry? Ann Sturzinger's

00:55:47.900 name was not mentioned in that

00:55:49.620 piece and I think this is the first time publicly

00:55:51.660 that it's been acknowledged that it was her

00:55:53.200 Yes. And yeah, you know what? Had I known that she would cause a public stink about it, not only would I have kept the piece up on my blog, I would have padded her name to it just to piss her off. But you know what? What did she do to me? Well, there was the fact that she dragged me into a sexual relationship against my will, took advantage of-

00:56:12.980 You were raped, Matt. Everyone believes that.

00:56:14.980 she literally client called herself a rapist so don't ask me don't yell at me

00:56:19.300 she powerful than you Matt how was she able to tell how was she able to force

00:56:25.420 sex upon you tell me I never I never called her a rapist she called herself

00:56:29.020 a rapist when I just said something though we can we can rewind the tape you

00:56:33.240 just said something alone she had sex with you against your will did you just

00:56:36.280 not say something like that no she got she got me drunk kept touching me

00:56:40.160 inappropriately she got me drunk oh my god you are a girl and I made the mistake of actually

00:56:47.280 falling for it that was a dumbest decision and in some ways I'm still paying for it but you know

00:56:52.520 what she is 13 years older than for me she is the adult in that interaction okay you don't get to be

00:56:58.780 you don't reaction then you don't get you know you if you're the older person in these interactions

00:57:05.840 have to take responsibility you still have an answer what she did what did she do what did she

00:57:10.400 do to you that necessitated this like jerry sprutter live i'm sorry are you asking why he

00:57:18.960 wrote the article why he published it why because i remember when debbie hold on i remember when

00:57:23.360 debbie started going public it's like and what i said to her it's like you know you're only making

00:57:28.800 people who hate us happy like no one who likes us wants to see this kind of and not

00:57:34.320 not because it was an indictment of me matt even said in his review of shipman that i owned

00:57:37.680 everything i did it was just really sad and maybe you had romantic feelings for him maybe you didn't

00:57:43.120 maybe you still got that mr whatever man's manosphere mindset see i never really got into

00:57:48.380 these terms because i just go where i don't follow trends or memes or any of that shit and actually

00:57:53.340 if you want to get real and street about it i was kind of right i laid the template for all that

00:57:58.720 shit a long time ago but I don't understand seriously as dude to dude if

00:58:03.100 you can be dude to dude what in her behavior necessitated this loud ugly

00:58:09.780 public thing well there was the fact that she had been gossiping about me

00:58:14.920 for months before that but that I didn't hear that word chipping what he got

00:58:22.000 she was gossiping about me talking shit about me talking shit it's always the

00:58:25.660 stalkers they're talking shit they're concerned with talk people talking

00:58:29.180 shit what do you care that was not that was

00:58:31.500 not the the impetus the impetus is that she was accusing me of blackmail

00:58:35.580 because i had switched web hosts her website was still hosted on my service

00:58:40.300 uh because she was she had never attempted to even

00:58:44.380 uh move it off of there because she's a freeloader

00:58:48.060 uh she's a freeloader and she had already blocked me on facebook

00:58:53.660 She made it clear she wanted no perfect contact.

00:58:55.780 Say your piece.

00:58:57.160 Let him say everything he wants about her, then I'll speak.

00:58:59.900 Okay, Davis?

00:59:00.840 She accused me of blackmail because after two years of leeching off of me,

00:59:08.840 I said through Edwin, a mistake now, that if she – I had the files.

00:59:14.620 If she wanted them, she could compensate me materially for at least some of the hosting costs

00:59:21.520 because that is not cheap.

00:59:23.660 At the time, the program I was on was not cheap.

00:59:26.980 And, you know, we had only agreed that her website would be on my service so as long as she was poor and couldn't afford her own.

00:59:33.460 She never once made an attempt to move it off, even after things before us had went sour.

00:59:39.040 She never went ridiculously clean.

00:59:40.000 It was like, oh, I had some webmaster friend of mine try to move it, but it was locked.

00:59:43.360 I was like, yeah, it's locked.

00:59:44.620 You can't access the files on a server without the admin's permission.

00:59:50.480 At any point, she could have contacted me and said, like, okay, I want my site off of your server.

00:59:56.400 And I would have happily done it for her.

00:59:57.860 I would have done it for free.

00:59:59.220 She never did.

00:59:59.940 She expected to leech off of me for all of eternity.

01:00:03.560 And when I switched web hosts without telling her, because at that point she made it clear that she wanted no further contact,

01:00:08.340 she got pissy and started passive-aggressively publicly talking about she was the victim of a blackmail attempt.

01:00:14.640 and consider the fact that i gave her files for free anyway because i didn't because i realized

01:00:18.820 what i was doing was wrong i didn't want and i didn't want to deal with her going public but

01:00:23.160 she kept doing this anyway so you know what i published the post to shut her up it was the

01:00:27.280 it was the extreme measure but it was the only one that worked because guess what she was she

01:00:31.460 stopped doing it she's talking about but here's the thing oh actually you talk about you talk

01:00:35.760 about age this is funny because this is what she said about you when i first met him i was shocked

01:00:39.520 at his appearance like this dude in his 20s what the hell kind of nuclear reactor exploded on his

01:00:43.640 mom no this no well this hat this was last week Matt and also Matt you're a

01:00:50.120 fat bald old guy you're in your 20s and people on reddit are calling you're old

01:00:54.320 like I said yes you've never a woman and you sleep of a guy repeatedly you lose

01:00:58.880 any right to talk about his appearance the day okay you've said you've said

01:01:03.200 what a horrible person is tada I just said she was raped and you're so

01:01:08.060 concerned about your reputation you sure you're jim jim you're gossiping about something that

01:01:15.260 happened three years ago and not gossiping he he said it's not gossip and apparently she was

01:01:21.900 recently raped which is terrible if it happened this is the first i've heard about it but we've

01:01:25.820 heard not a word from that he's concerned about his right he said he could ruin her writing man

01:01:30.860 you can't ruin anyone's writing career well then why did she suddenly if i can't ruin anyone's

01:01:35.820 reputation, then why did she

01:01:37.400 suddenly delete all of her accusations about me

01:01:39.620 four hours after I published that post?

01:01:41.700 Why did she come to me two weeks later begging

01:01:43.720 me to delete the post? Which I did, by the way,

01:01:45.900 because guess what? It had served its purpose.

01:01:47.860 Time to let it die. Let it disappear down the memory

01:01:49.800 hole. Okay?

01:01:51.720 Alright, God, you gotta unmute yourself. But stop, stop,

01:01:53.840 stop speaking over others. If she got

01:01:55.840 raped recently, that's freaking terrible.

01:01:57.940 And you know what? And you know what, Tim?

01:01:59.460 When I initially published the post, she was

01:02:01.560 all like, I'm gonna write a repubble and

01:02:03.240 prove his lies. And yet, she never wrote any

01:02:05.540 rebuttal instead she deleted all of her comments about me and then she begged me to take the post

01:02:10.300 on two weeks later you know you're falling right into it matt because here's the thing this and

01:02:14.640 i've asked you already but you are so concerned that what this girl you haven't said a word about

01:02:20.000 her actually fucking being raped you are soulless you have no fucking empathy you're only concerned

01:02:25.800 you are you know you know what it is you're a narcissist and you have no reason to be you're

01:02:30.400 hideous and you're the problem with you is if you're going to look like you you got to have

01:02:34.060 personality your personality is a perfect reflection of your face you have no soul you

01:02:40.140 you haven't you still haven't said one word of sympathy for what happened go ahead

01:02:44.780 aren't you concerned about what an internet nobody said on you said about you on a podcast

01:02:49.420 yeah this is how this all began by the way here's the thing no hold on hold on

01:02:54.620 can i please talk ask me a question let me talk okay i was not the one who brought up nobody

01:03:01.020 i guess in matt's mind relevancy and please don't interrupt me davis you're interrupting me

01:03:06.060 i'm trying to make a point here i don't care about popularity if you have one

01:03:12.140 follower and you bring up something that is philosophically interesting to me i'll talk to

01:03:17.100 you i don't discriminate if you have one follower if you're the most ever the pope i'm not i don't

01:03:23.500 give a about celebrity apparently matt does which suggests to me that he's a shallow person that's

01:03:29.340 hall he's the one that made an issue of being a nobody and punching down gave me a good joke

01:03:33.500 though literally literally in the literal sense and i think the audience understands what literal

01:03:38.020 means let me finish you're the one interrupt davis you've never interrupted i'm trying to

01:03:41.860 clarify pointers you make 30 points you also said my mind my mind goes quickly davis but go ahead

01:03:47.020 he said for me why did you care that ann was spreading rumors about you but this was this

01:03:52.060 is a different thing it's not see what she wasn't saying he was a small dick she wasn't saying he's

01:03:55.920 fat she's saying she was something it was a minor thing about like a boring story about a web host

01:04:01.800 that's all but oh this psychotic whore it seems preemptive and it seems very feminine to me i i'm

01:04:06.780 not satisfied that he was in my judgment he was not satisfied with going that ugly and jerry

01:04:12.320 springer about that's all the rumors he still hasn't said something about her you want to hold

01:04:18.140 on if you want to see the proof that she was raped jimgo.net slash ann ann.jpeg she's got her

01:04:23.900 hospital bracelet and the admission papers there oh no that's that's absolutely terrible but

01:04:27.500 davis you've said that five times he hasn't said it once go ahead matt i think it's terrible that

01:04:47.780 she got raped i also think it's kind of odd and coincidental that it happened this it was crazy

01:04:52.700 it was crazy yes i was i mean we live in if that's that that's the kind of thing that happens

01:04:58.880 a bad what a bad simulation simulation stimulation you know the joke that we live in a gigantic

01:05:05.200 matrix it was i mean chicago's a bad place yeah yeah and she got she got she got raped by a black

01:05:11.540 guy but here's the thing you think you began this you began this by you know you you approach this

01:05:19.860 incomplete and utter bad faith you started talking about okay david david can you mute him i want to

01:05:25.060 address that and that's a bad argumentative tactic you had quite a bit of time to say stuff let's

01:05:30.100 but he's accusing me of what's in my mind we can't do that i don't know what's in his mind i don't

01:05:33.700 want to get inside his mind that's you can't tell me what i'm doing your bad faith i that's one of

01:05:38.500 the reasons i came on here if a woman has gotten raped that's the first thing you mentioned when

01:05:44.660 be funny do not speculate upon the witnesses motives just speculate just describe the behavior

01:05:50.500 he engaged that's thank you davis this is this is why i this is why i kind of wanted to talk to him

01:05:55.540 because the way he i just want to explain my my i will explain i was accused of motives this is my

01:06:01.540 motives why i wanted to have this conversation nothing about punching down but literally matt

01:06:05.620 can't punch above his weight because he weighs so much it was just because i saw the way he argued

01:06:10.900 he's doing this because it's mind reading and it's appeal to motive I grow increasingly and

01:06:16.400 frustrated just let me get this out as one or two more sentences I actually like to have honest

01:06:21.380 conversations so telling me why I'm doing it in bad faith that's bullshit and Matt I never accused

01:06:26.800 you I examine your behavior so lay back on that because that's that it's a dead-end loop you say

01:06:33.140 you're doing this because I say no oh you're in denial that goes nowhere I don't know what you do

01:06:38.620 i mean why you do what you do i don't want to know i would last thing i'd want in the world

01:06:42.440 is to crawl inside your fucking mind but that's a bad argumentative tactic and you rely on it too

01:06:46.960 much take the floor the exact same thing though no when when i will only say i suggest because

01:06:52.600 this and that i won't say you're doing this because you're a liar i will take a lie detector

01:06:57.580 if i can't find any i will take a lie detector test that he sent me that email i i won't i am

01:07:01.660 not a fucking liar that's rapist i'm sorry you called him a self-confessed rapist and a liar

01:07:07.620 well he did that that's he is that's a fact that I didn't say why he raped her

01:07:11.680 I didn't say why he confessed to it that's mind-reading I said what he came

01:07:15.600 what came out of his mouth saying I kept going when she said no that's him

01:07:20.240 writing I'm a self-confessed that's him being a self good that's a fact this

01:07:27.540 is this feminist nonsense of like rape victims who don't go to the police in

01:07:32.520 fact she only go did not go to the police she continued to sleep with me

01:07:35.880 she said she didn't she said that there were several other people who came in on it okay

01:07:41.160 again i'm saying so i know we were alone there matt i said she said okay listen to me she and

01:07:49.020 she also said she doesn't remember anything that's part of it other people were encouraging her to

01:07:54.120 this is what and this is a couple other people corroborated this there were witnesses i'm just

01:07:58.680 reporting here i'm not making any claims because i know i wasn't there i don't know there were

01:08:03.400 witnesses who saw me raping her who came in and you you fled is what they said according to your

01:08:08.700 account though you just flopped over because you couldn't come but as she also said she didn't have

01:08:12.920 a sore butt and i know that's insulting because if you anally raped her and she didn't have a sore

01:08:16.820 butt doesn't doesn't reflect well on you either she's lying or she doesn't remember anything

01:08:22.880 because guess what go ahead that guess what that's not how it happened i'll i'll i'll i'll

01:08:29.740 talk about this. Again, the day before, I came over to her place because she asked me to. She

01:08:35.520 literally wanted to have sex with me. I can show the messages that she sent me on Facebook.

01:08:40.240 I stayed there because, well, number one, she tried to lock me in because I asked for the keys

01:08:44.480 and she hid them. But number two, she had been drinking for like a week straight. She had admitted

01:08:49.740 that she had tried to kill herself because of what Rachel Hare had been doing to her. She had

01:08:54.180 shotgunned a bottle of whiskey. And she'd made this an illegal document to a certain lawyer,

01:08:58.540 by the way. So she can't squirm out of that one. Uh, and I stayed there because I was concerned

01:09:04.780 that she was going to, she had no food in her house. She had no money. She had claimed that

01:09:08.960 her wallet had been stolen and she had no way to get any access to any money. Uh, she had been

01:09:14.820 drinking and was having delusions and DTs. Okay. So I stayed around to dry her out. Now, part of

01:09:22.360 it was because I was, that was the first time in my life I'd been in a situation like that.

01:09:25.900 I wasn't sure what to do but I stuck around because I was afraid that if I

01:09:30.620 didn't she would have died and she said in this legal document when Rachel

01:09:35.440 Haywire tried to sue us like a year later that she admitted that if it had

01:09:38.980 not been for my intervention she would have died and you had sex with her

01:09:43.000 during that weekend where she asked me to because she begged me to she begged

01:09:47.500 you to stop and you kept thrusting that's like yeah by your own words by

01:09:52.740 your own words matt afterwards known legally that's known legally as a statement against

01:09:57.380 interest you're just like i'm muting both of you for one second goad what you're doing obsessing

01:10:03.940 over this preternatural awkward and failed relationship between forney and sterzinger

01:10:10.180 is the equivalent of us spending the next 45 minutes calling you a fag because a guy sucked

01:10:14.500 you off one time all right this is very pedantic it's not going anywhere we actually talk about

01:10:20.980 what the hell you guys disagree about so go go ahead and unmute yourself

01:10:28.020 with the fag thing a girl i know says you talk like you got a 50-foot cock in your mouth but

01:10:31.860 that's not here nor there you guys are the ones talking about fags so that suggests things to me

01:10:38.980 we're not talking about it you keep talking about this screwed up relationship but here's the reason

01:10:43.860 i bring it up davis because she actually got raped he said that's terrible hold on hold on

01:10:48.980 later please hold on can you can i finish the sentence she he she got raped the other night

01:10:57.020 he's not disputing it but he's this she said this and she's mentally ill this shows character right

01:11:02.340 here this shows he's more concerned about well you know she wanted me and i hold on a girl and

01:11:08.920 a girl got fucking raped by a black guy and who was a repeat criminal apparently and has been

01:11:14.460 arrested for it and he didn't even well okay that's bad but if she said this at

01:11:18.740 this this is the reason I've done it it illustrates soullessness I don't I who

01:11:23.940 talks and keeps talking about people with no soul if Ann was so traumatized

01:11:28.500 by this rape why was she tweeting three hours ago she do you are you disputing

01:11:33.740 it happened cuz Jim go.net slash and JPEG that's and I'm asking why she's on

01:11:39.300 twitter you can't you're capable are you are you denying that she got raped because we can prove

01:11:45.300 that how about you come how she comes on here and talks about it because she's apparently well

01:11:49.360 enough to tweet i thought between you two not her and the rapist who's probably not even in the

01:11:55.660 audience yes and if ann is well enough to tweet she's well enough to come on the stream and tell

01:12:00.480 her side of the story she doesn't need jim do you want me to contact her she's probably come on

01:12:05.440 she's probably listening i can ask you want her on guys come on i don't i just i think i think

01:12:11.640 he fell exactly for the trap because this shows he's more concerned about what people think about

01:12:16.860 girls desiring him or not no actually got raped okay if you if you were concerned about this you

01:12:22.500 would have told me that she was raped right off the bat you wouldn't be using this as some sort

01:12:25.800 of uh autistic weird ass power autistic you know matt you want to lose self-aware everyone that

01:12:31.880 i've talked to about you says you're autistic does us crying about her getting raped does that make

01:12:37.400 good radio and does that help catch the rapist no like her no no what i've already explained the

01:12:43.280 point it makes that he's pretty a pretty shallow person he's concerned about his public image more

01:12:47.460 than you know he's supposedly a christian and he's supposed to feel compassion i'm sorry dying in

01:12:53.860 ethiopia of starvation you self-involved person you could be you you could be working and donating

01:12:58.500 that money to charity to feed kids in africa this is a specific situation we're talking about

01:13:04.340 that has nothing i'm sorry i'm not and i'm not i'm not posing as a moralist so that's

01:13:10.060 actually here's a question actually here's a question matt you get really upset go ahead

01:13:14.760 actually you guys sound kind of like really worked up go ahead matt how would she post

01:13:18.260 a police report she says sure okay hold on let me call her i'll take out one we're calling her

01:13:25.920 right now i still don't see what this has to do with you two not like let's see how they talk

01:13:30.640 well send a link to you want to come on are you on gmail

01:13:36.240 she's on my skype she can ask for a join yeah ask yeah okay go ahead okay great

01:13:45.040 okay get on uh davis is talking to her but just to say hey caring about somebody that you used

01:13:53.640 care about on some level got raped that makes me a feminist that's really dumb now it accused you

01:14:00.600 of being a feminist because you accused me of rape because you claimed i had raped her

01:14:04.360 you claimed you had raped her we've established that you said it you didn't listen to after you

01:14:11.560 didn't read the part of the post after that where she said that i was the only man that she that

01:14:15.800 that didn't that did not make her sick and what does it have to do with i kept thrusting what

01:14:22.040 does that have to do with i kept trusting when she said no after that and you know what if you

01:14:26.200 took that to a court then no court would buy it that's why she never charged by the way and it's

01:14:31.320 giant there she is all right and i am what happened the other day is terrible this is probably the

01:14:38.200 wrong place to talk about it i don't know why it came up this is about i've explained repeatedly

01:14:43.720 why it came up but go ahead matt 40 and jim goad want to be really good friends and ride the unit

01:14:48.280 cycle together. And now we're bringing you into this. I'm really sorry. Are you doing okay?

01:14:58.180 There's an echo, a really bad echo. Mute the video in the background.

01:15:02.420 I think I need to get, I think I get to meet, I think I need to get my headphones.

01:15:06.340 Sorry. Yeah. I think that's what the problem is. There's an echo.

01:15:12.500 All right. And I just muted you. So unmute yourself when you get back.

01:15:15.920 yeah here's here's the thing that um i don't think i i sincerely you know what i i your

01:15:23.820 chameleonic nature where you shed these identities as the momentum moves somewhere else suggests to

01:15:29.760 me that you really don't have any core ideas but for the sake of argument i project so i think

01:15:35.040 everyone else is sincere are you willing to allow the possibility that the things i say

01:15:40.140 are sincere and I'm actually looking for

01:15:42.360 truth and happiness sincerely

01:15:44.500 I'm

01:15:46.500 willing to consider that

01:15:47.460 in an infinite universe

01:15:49.520 in an infinite universe

01:15:52.200 which I believe our universe is infinite

01:15:54.260 in some respects

01:15:55.400 I apologize for the

01:15:58.340 echo and the delay

01:15:59.780 I've had a shitty week and I

01:16:02.220 didn't think about putting my headphones on

01:16:04.360 sorry

01:16:04.820 I'm sorry to hear what happened Dan

01:16:08.700 You can talk about it or not talk about it.

01:16:11.860 This is not what we're here to talk about,

01:16:14.600 but you're welcome to say whatever you want.

01:16:17.500 Now, actually, let me start things off.

01:16:22.640 I don't want to get into the ugly details

01:16:25.060 between you and Forney.

01:16:26.640 You guys had a relationship back in the day.

01:16:29.460 It did not end greatly.

01:16:34.080 Did Matt Forney ever rape you?

01:16:36.080 i do not know that's you okay let me let me just say first of all i gave jim permission

01:16:44.760 to talk about this he's not just dragging me into it he actually helped me through

01:16:51.540 a really shitty situation and it is bizarre that we were talking about all this when

01:16:58.280 yeah it was such a strange synchronicity i'm sorry it was crazy

01:17:02.520 yeah he was both both horny and i when you were going through all that shit with your

01:17:09.340 ex-business partner trying to drive you to suicide horny was helping you with that that

01:17:13.360 was a year after whatever happened between you guys happened

01:17:17.140 yeah um just to clarify you i do not know whether matt raped me you guys are are i think without

01:17:28.580 any malice on either of your part and i don't i don't think i was clear enough i think you've

01:17:32.980 conflated two incidents um the first one was when matt and i met and i hadn't been drinking

01:17:42.820 um because i do have a problem with alcohol i've owned that everywhere

01:17:47.780 matt has a problem with alcohol and food and everything else and he can't own that

01:17:51.460 shit which is kind of why he i don't know attacks everyone else about it um i uh jesus

01:18:06.180 the night i met him i hadn't been drinking and i drank three i three or four ipas and got

01:18:13.780 blacked out drunk um i don't remember what happened um my my boyfriend claimed that matt

01:18:22.420 raped me i had no recollection of the incident so i didn't want to press charges or ruin matt's

01:18:32.100 reputation because i didn't want to ruin someone's life over something that i didn't know whether it

01:18:37.300 happened or not right that that incident when you first met matt introduced him your boyfriend woke

01:18:43.920 up real saw himself getting cucked by matt forney and then tried to accuse him he started spreading

01:18:50.560 rumors to everybody that matt forney had raped you and you insisted that no matt forney didn't

01:18:55.160 rape me i don't remember him raping me and etc and you yeah yeah i i defended him because i didn't

01:19:01.900 want to make fake rape charges but i don't know i don't know what happened and the like the the

01:19:09.740 fact that matt's been insinuating that i kind of took advantage of him in repayment for me

01:19:17.100 defending him from fake rape charges is kind of unbelievable um now that's just like the second

01:19:25.500 incident which is what jim goad was bringing up matt forney wrote a post is about this weekend

01:19:31.260 you spent together uh you had od'd on alcohol and he was taking care of you and there was some

01:19:38.540 awkward sex you said no at one point but he kept going but it was awkward sex not rape and that was

01:19:46.700 what six months or a year after you first met wasn't it that's a very long story um matt has tried

01:19:55.580 this is this is a perfect illustration of how people who try to be decent people can never get

01:20:06.080 away with manipulating someone once because if you're not good at manipulating people you can

01:20:11.660 never get away with it because you don't have any practice i had had one of the worst no the worst

01:20:19.520 years of my life my best friend died the day i turned 40 where i found out about it the day i

01:20:25.260 turned 40, which was also the day of the Charlie Hebdo shooting. I went to France to try and

01:20:31.240 take care of her husband because he was suicidal. While I was in France, this was after the

01:20:38.980 first incident. This was six months after the first incident. I don't even know why I'm

01:20:46.140 talking about this shit in public.

01:20:47.600 Can I give you my perspective?

01:20:50.400 I'm doing it for the sake of accuracy, because...

01:20:57.460 You've had a shitty relationship together

01:21:00.160 where both of you were being broken together

01:21:02.440 and both of you were being idiots and drinking too much

01:21:05.220 and you were dealing with a lot of shit from the outside.

01:21:07.880 You had all that personal shit.

01:21:09.540 Matt Forney was constantly getting attacked by the left-wingers

01:21:12.320 and you kind of found comfort in each other,

01:21:14.960 but it wasn't exactly a healthy relationship.

01:21:17.600 i i sum it up i don't want to dig into i don't want to yeah this uh ann looks ann's been through

01:21:25.700 enough i think this i think this is enough matt challenged her to come on she came on i think that

01:21:29.660 i think it is i don't want to put her through no she has a police report yeah

01:21:34.000 about i just don't do you have a fan do you have a police report about what happened

01:21:37.740 because guess what a few months ago jim i will close you want me to yeah get it and get it

01:21:44.580 because he's a liar go ahead where he posted a picture of himself after surgery with his nose

01:21:51.940 broken and saying that antifa had put him in the hospital yeah so guess what frank it was a prank

01:21:58.180 and it was i revealed the prank three days later for my next article yeah so so so will you forgive

01:22:03.060 me for uh well it i'll rephrase this can you consider the fact that i might think that this

01:22:08.100 is also a prank because you have a history maybe you can see the seriousness of my face

01:22:12.660 i can see emotions can be faked pal i'm well i guess you would know about what i want i want

01:22:20.280 i want i trust but i verify and then i think she's been put through enough

01:22:23.860 wait i trust but i verify what's rape have to do with this situation at all

01:22:30.040 why like i said he he asked her to come on okay i i wanted to show he's always getting

01:22:34.860 these morally grandstanding he's showing himself to be an empty person no you're using a woman's

01:22:40.020 rape, if it is real, for your own

01:22:41.940 to win an argument, which is pretty goddamned

01:22:44.080 sick, dude.

01:22:45.620 No, you've just been...

01:22:46.920 ...repeatedly spreading that I was his ex.

01:22:49.580 I was not voluntarily

01:22:51.460 dating him. He tried to manipulate me.

01:22:53.940 I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to

01:22:55.780 say when a woman tells me that she's in love

01:22:57.820 with me. And now I'm digging through

01:22:59.300 volumes of

01:23:01.740 sexual assault paperwork to try to find

01:23:03.820 the actual police report.

01:23:07.000 We're talking

01:23:07.900 about that this is somebody else yesterday in chicago this is not matt forney we're talking

01:23:13.200 about this was two days ago and it was just an incredible it's a horrible coincidence but i

01:23:20.440 figured she said you can talk about all this and what i wanted to do i because i he acted exactly

01:23:26.520 like i'm explaining you're asking me davis let me explain there was a second incident where's

01:23:32.120 the second instant always one rape no coincidence there's just one rape he well matt said i kept

01:23:38.840 thrusting so that's the first okay there we go you accused him of no he accused himself in his

01:23:45.380 article it's on the wayback machine i'll give everyone the url right now to just fucking settle

01:23:49.380 this my god okay why is sexual assault htps htps slash slash archive.is archive is okay

01:23:58.740 is z-o-t-k-s maddie challenging this put up ten thousand dollars that it's fraudulent oh you

01:24:04.500 don't have it put up everything you own i don't have any money i just bought a house i bet a

01:24:09.620 hundred and ten thousand dollars last year you want me to prove that because i can put put up

01:24:14.820 everything you have i'll put up this house let's go buddy just like we all right so we have yes

01:24:22.260 and got sexually this is my new house you will never have a house matt you'll die of a heart

01:24:27.300 time could you stop talking over others yes and got sexually assaulted by a a black man the other

01:24:35.380 night that's right well why did you bring it up goad what is this i've explained this five times

01:24:40.580 listen closely the sixth time around i wanted to prove what a shallow and he's you know projection

01:24:46.340 projection narcissist matt's more concerned about whether she liked him more or he liked her more

01:24:51.940 hold on let me finish matt then then he just heard a woman's been raped and he had to be asked about

01:24:58.440 five or six times what do you think about that i brought that's exactly why because he was going

01:25:03.640 to know the shallow shit i throw a fucking nuclear bomb in there and prove what a shallow

01:25:08.220 he's just a blimp with aaron there's nothing in there that's why

01:25:13.220 first off like i said you've committed pranks before so guess what and you and i i mentioned

01:25:20.240 that you had been lying about me earlier and proved you're so shrill and angry so i don't want to take

01:25:25.480 a lie detector test over who the liar is because we can do that because people accuse me of being

01:25:30.700 liars because i've suffered in my life for not fucking lying you get by on lying you know oh

01:25:36.320 hey i'm a player you get by on nothing oh i'm i'm a representative of the white race you you are the

01:25:41.340 worst specimen of the white race that exists okay now you're a catholic god doesn't want you god

01:25:48.520 would say peter would say no go okay that's why matt no okay better friends with ann than matt is

01:25:59.980 at this point there's no but i there's no bad blood between ann and i but when you told me

01:26:04.580 right now i'm in do an interesting live stream mode and as soon as i'm done then i'm gonna be

01:26:10.760 like holy shit and got raped and i'm gonna it's horrible it's horrible i've been i've been on

01:26:15.360 edge all week because of this yeah throwing lies at me you kept throwing

01:26:20.040 and fly I'm alive I know I said I said I said this is what she said I'm not

01:26:25.560 lying you too you can handle mr. misremembering things like for example

01:26:30.480 the claim that I moved in to stalk her the reality is that she moved into my

01:26:34.500 neighborhood two weeks after me so if anyone has a stalking claim to me it's me

01:26:38.820 and I can prove this because guess what I have the text messages and I have the

01:26:42.520 fucking lease he still doesn't care about the rape laudy i said if the rape happened it's a tragedy

01:26:48.760 but you know what given your history of lying dude i have zero name one name one lie i've ever told

01:26:56.160 matt i just named one early in the show when you claimed that i had emailed why would i lie about

01:27:01.480 something so trivial you just send it say hey you're a narcissist and a petty individual no matt

01:27:06.820 i can again what's with the line you're would you agree to have me take a lot because that would

01:27:12.120 cancel out that claim where else have I lied because actually in some of the

01:27:15.620 things she said here she said Matt lies without even realizing he's lying you

01:27:20.100 lied about being a player Matt you're no fucking play ever glad you know the

01:27:24.720 chicks and the chick oh me I won't fuck the fat chicks oh my god Matt look at

01:27:29.100 you that's that's when you were originally revealed to be a fraud then

01:27:32.100 you were a white guy and then you're walking backwards from one of my

01:27:36.780 favorite books by 40 was life during each time and that was a book about how

01:27:41.360 he made a complete ass of himself

01:27:43.240 keeping with a

01:27:45.020 fangirl who was planning to get married

01:27:47.300 and how much he hated himself for doing it

01:27:49.060 and what a jackass he is. He's never

01:27:51.100 claimed to be a ladies' man player or whatever.

01:27:53.480 He's just talked about what he knows.

01:27:55.580 Well, does he know these things

01:27:57.320 about female psychology? Because he doesn't know

01:27:59.280 how he comes off, so I doubt he knows anything

01:28:01.100 about women, really. Well, again, that's one of these

01:28:03.340 like, that's like, goat, you're a virgin.

01:28:05.460 It's one of those cheap... No, I'm not

01:28:06.820 I said, I doubt. I'm not saying

01:28:09.160 he... I know how

01:28:11.160 account it's the same thing this is a cheap internet i didn't say that i didn't say that

01:28:17.800 i didn't say that any of the things you're saying are anything equivalent and i know how to couch

01:28:21.720 these things not to claim that i know what's inside someone's mind unlike matt he said he knew

01:28:26.520 why i wrote that wrote that article which started all this he doesn't he clearly doesn't i've

01:28:31.400 explained it and talking about acting in bad faith well yeah he brought up bad faith he didn't mean

01:28:36.920 this when he wrote this in the article he doesn't mean any who acted in bad faith you started this

01:28:41.880 with bad faith your whole your blog was in bad faith that's what was the name of it

01:28:50.440 dude dude you deliberately framed this in a way to be manipulative if you actually

01:28:55.400 cared about a woman being raped you wouldn't have shunted that to the very end and did i act did i

01:28:59.960 caring when you texted me in the middle of the night the other night did i encourage did i

01:29:03.640 i encourage you to go to the cops because did you not say to me this was really like again shocking

01:29:08.800 so i'm kind of rattled and i had trouble sleeping it's you said it's somebody from my building or

01:29:13.920 somebody staying with somebody and they'll kill me if i call the cops i'm like they're not being

01:29:17.140 nice now call the cops but why did you announce it on this live stream how many times do i have

01:29:22.040 to okay seventh time seventh time because i knew matt would be more concerned whether she loved him

01:29:28.260 more than he loved her or whatever it was brought up and you kept ignoring it I know it was brought

01:29:40.740 up and you kept ignoring it and that's it you perfectly sir my point that's why I brought it

01:29:45.300 up because I knew that's a cheap appeal to emotion all you've been doing is being shrill you're not

01:29:52.080 logical you're about peel to motive that's all you do so you because you

01:29:56.460 said I'm supposed to immediately drop everything and clean and suddenly start

01:30:00.700 crying because you claim someone was raped am I supposed to be still claim

01:30:06.400 that history of you have a history of lying name a lie I've told name a lie

01:30:11.340 I've told Matt I've challenged you and you said I would email you show oh you

01:30:15.980 could have deleted tons of emails it could have been another email account

01:30:18.520 You said a history, Matt. Let's go.

01:30:22.360 Okay. Let's go back to that incident you were talking about years ago

01:30:25.920 where you knocked a fist with Antifa.

01:30:29.240 You claimed in a Vice article that you were

01:30:34.300 being harassed in Portland because you were wearing an

01:30:38.200 Iron Cross pendant. Some Antifa gang came up to you.

01:30:41.940 Skinheads against racial prejudice. The Rose City Bobber Boys.

01:30:45.080 yes yes and you single-handedly fought them off and a bouncer i didn't say that i didn't say that

01:30:49.160 it was one guy and i bested that guy i didn't say you're lying it's skinheads against white

01:30:53.960 people you can find the article you just lied caught you calling me a projection matt

01:31:01.400 quoting your words verbatim you just lied about what i wrote i said i fought one guy and then the

01:31:06.280 cops came while the other guys were around i didn't single-handedly fight them all off you

01:31:10.680 fucking liar i got contacted by a friend of yours who has known you for a long time it's impressive

01:31:16.280 the list of enemies you've got this friend claims that you were the one who got your nose broken and

01:31:21.080 we're running to the cops yeah do you have a police report your ass kicked do you always do

01:31:25.960 we have a police report matt because i will take a lie detector test about that too what is with you

01:31:29.880 in the lie detector because you're accusing this is the best way to prove it otherwise i say no

01:31:33.800 you're saying i'm in denial you've just lied you got caught in a lie about what's in that article

01:31:39.720 you can look up skinheads against white people on vice.com i never say i fought off a whole gang

01:31:44.760 i said me and one guy got at it while they were all watching and then the cops came that's all i

01:31:49.480 said so you lied you lied to make it look better i've never gotten there's no you will find knock

01:31:55.320 your little journalistic ass off trying to find one police report i got you want you know what i

01:31:59.880 got from all that never had my nose broken i got uh i got punched in the nose maybe actually that

01:32:04.920 might have that might have broken it i don't know maybe maybe this is a broken nose i got blood but

01:32:09.800 bloody nose that was it never got put in the hospital never went to the police about it about

01:32:14.520 the whole antifa thing recently with your plan that was a prank and it was revealed as a prank

01:32:19.320 that's not the same as a lie you think that kind of thing is acceptable you think that kind of thing

01:32:23.480 burnishes your credibility like okay guys i thought it was fun i thought it was fun because what i

01:32:28.040 was doing was seeing all i wanted to see bring out the people is your credibility okay credibility

01:32:33.720 you just lied about an article i wrote you just lied about an article if you lie like that you

01:32:39.400 don't know what anybody thinks matt you don't i don't either don't speak for everybody because

01:32:43.720 you're such you talk about small you are a small man you don't you can't speak for everybody okay

01:32:48.840 i caught you in a lie i never lied i challenged to fight those guys again i have the screen

01:32:54.520 caps of maddie valentine the one that sucker punched me two years ago i'm saying let's go

01:32:59.000 go again matty because this you told this lie about what kind of iron cross you said i called

01:33:03.340 the cops let's have a debate about it he ran okay call me a liar is what's going to fucking get you

01:33:09.700 lots of hell from jim goad i don't fucking lie and i've suffered throughout my life

01:33:14.180 for not lying you lied about the fucking i me continue back in 2012 12 you lied about that

01:33:20.560 come on in camera so i could stare you in the eyes about it i'm sorry i didn't

01:33:28.880 buy a camera to indulge your whimsy this happened because you haven't had a fucking webcam on your

01:33:34.960 laptop for a year and you're talking about i don't have a house i have a fucking house you're

01:33:39.760 homeless i have a perfectly functioning computer it's a win 8 laptop uh that was upgraded to

01:33:46.640 windows 10. there's no driver for the webcam so guess what and i try and without a webcam

01:33:52.720 a successful entrepreneur you call yourself an entrepreneur but you don't even have a

01:33:56.480 fucking camera the only reason i am is because i bought it to be on russia's stream i i didn't

01:34:01.300 have a webcam for years but everyone does on their phones they do at this point come on matt is

01:34:06.620 destitute he's destitute that's all just admit it literally i just i just i just i just land in

01:34:14.940 another country are you reading his mind how do you know he's destitute because he doesn't even

01:34:18.680 have a fucking webcam and hasn't for a year maybe he doesn't masturbate on those uh masturbation

01:34:24.860 sites i think matt masturbates probably more than anyone on the planet you jack if you want to jack

01:34:29.740 off material go to you porn gay buddy matt you're really obsessed with gay the thing is you know you

01:34:35.260 know that to be no fag buddy i can use that flag has ever wanted you man i'm so sorry that i'll

01:34:41.740 never get the chance to contract aids and have my colon destroyed i'm really sorry about and again

01:34:46.300 no woman will ever fall in love with you you're not desirable to either sex okay because i had

01:34:52.940 a thing when I was 15 you probably did too and most guys and I'm the only

01:34:56.480 fucking one who's honest about it doesn't mean you're ever going to be

01:35:00.140 attractive to anybody in the world that's a better insult than anything you

01:35:04.700 can ever come up with against me sorry I'm so you know what you know if you

01:35:12.200 because it was a good good line you know if you became a Christian I was like

01:35:15.740 well God's perfect then how do you explain you yeah Matt's either going to

01:35:21.380 use uh facebook posts that i wrote in private while i was extremely drunk i love everybody

01:35:28.540 when i'm drunk just fyi or do you fuck everyone when you're drunk do you fuck everyone when

01:35:34.340 you're drunk and look at righteous matt righteous matt you're righteous you're righteous man matt

01:35:39.860 you're righteous you're good everyone can tell how good you are tell it to the world matt this

01:35:43.940 is exactly what i was talking about i'm moralist you little fucking wormy guy you're did you fuck

01:35:49.580 did you do a bad thing hey that makes me a good guy that's exactly what's going on here matt why

01:35:54.220 do you have to hate her as bad isn't that what you're doing probably because probably because

01:35:58.220 no i'm saying it's pathetic that's all i'm not saying bad because probably because she

01:36:02.540 boiled me in something i had no interest in you by your 8 500 word blog post invited this matt

01:36:09.820 yeah i admit my role in in facilitating this nonsense but you know what when i let this all

01:36:15.980 began, I was 26, Anne was

01:36:18.060 39. She is the adult in this situation.

01:36:20.500 When you're the older person, you take

01:36:21.980 responsibility. Trying to slough off responsibility

01:36:24.280 on someone who's young enough to,

01:36:26.000 in your words, Anne, be my

01:36:27.940 fucking son is pretty goddamn pathetic.

01:36:30.720 Man. I get an excuse for you

01:36:32.060 if you don't. Can I

01:36:33.920 talk at some point?

01:36:36.000 Mute us all. Davis, let her talk.

01:36:41.620 I love everybody when I'm drunk.

01:36:43.540 I don't know what kind of Facebook posts

01:36:45.620 wrote to Matt when I was drunk. He will use any drunken happy thing I said to prove that I was

01:36:53.780 in love with him. I also went, because I know how volatile he is and I didn't want to have my name

01:37:01.460 dragged through the mud, when I realized he was trying to manipulate me into a relationship during

01:37:09.380 the worst year of my life i tried to assuage his ego by being nice and telling him that

01:37:18.900 i was choosing someone else matt's not muted

01:37:24.900 matt stop giggling into your mic keep going in i was choosing someone else and letting the better

01:37:31.700 man loose in an attempt to not have this very thing happen i gave matt every opportunity to

01:37:40.100 walk out without being humiliated i was hoping that he would take the hint but it it kind of

01:37:49.140 blows my mind that he's i still don't know to this day how he found out where i was moving in rogers

01:37:55.620 park after i was it was an insanely bad year just you're a liar and i moved in there after before

01:38:06.100 you i have i don't know how you prove it matt i don't know how you managed to figure out where i

01:38:12.420 was going to move but you also texted me that you were staying in oak park hanging around oak park

01:38:19.600 Hoping I would hang out with you.

01:38:21.420 No, I didn't.

01:38:22.500 I went to Oak Park because I was in between apartments,

01:38:27.380 and that was the cheapest place where I could go.

01:38:29.660 It was even that or spooky.

01:38:31.420 Oak Park is one of the most – everyone can look it up.

01:38:35.500 Oak Park has one of the highest real estate values.

01:38:39.860 Oak Park is 50% black, okay?

01:38:43.500 Were you staying in Austin?

01:38:46.420 No, I was staying in Oak Park, okay?

01:38:48.980 that you and your broken boyfriend could live there so so it's it's 50 black everyone knows

01:38:58.180 look at all the christian compassion and morality it's it's not like he's a bitter

01:39:03.300 person he's a moral person and he wants the world to know it or at least through his

01:39:09.700 he's a good man you're bad okay we've got it we get it matt this is you're making my point go ahead

01:39:18.980 it's just bizarre dealing with this level of lying and projection and this is why i didn't

01:39:25.380 want to be in a relationship with this man i actually said to me that you wanted to be and

01:39:30.180 then you reneged on it because you're such a lush that you can't even remember what you say the next

01:39:34.980 day that your emotions are they're on some drugs and your emotions are so melting i've never denied

01:39:41.700 any of that matt but i did not want to be in a relationship with you because

01:39:48.980 i did consider it i thought and no one will let me finish my story but i was having one of the

01:39:58.720 worst years of my life my best friend died my my boyfriend kicked me out of the house in order to

01:40:06.100 and this is leaving some shit out because i'm just too tired at this point to remember everything but

01:40:11.900 my my boyfriend kicked me out of the house so that he could date a 20 year old girl because

01:40:16.980 he was having a midlife crisis i wound up staying at my my my ex's stepmother i mean mother and

01:40:25.460 stepfather's house where my his stepfather got into bed with me in the middle of the night

01:40:32.660 while i was looking for a place that was affordable to live the only place i could find was rogers

01:40:38.500 Park when I was moving in I got a text from Matt or a call I can't remember I

01:40:48.520 know it was a text I'm not a liar Matt so I don't she said a text or a call

01:40:54.520 what are you snapping at put evidence in a plastic bag and shove it up my ass so

01:41:00.260 that I can prove shit that didn't happen by taking things out of context why was

01:41:07.240 i ever why did i ever try to not humiliate you i'm such a idiot probably because you were obsessed

01:41:15.080 with me and tried to me repeatedly just like i'm obsessed with you right matt everyone's obsessed

01:41:21.320 with you because you're so compelling you repeatedly go back to the well in a certain

01:41:26.280 all right i just want to clarify something uh months after any physical contact had ended

01:41:33.240 between you and matt you and i and matt work together to help you deal with your ex-business

01:41:40.280 partner correct i don't remember this timeline you guys you guys did help me and that was

01:41:46.520 greatly appreciated but listen i know you had a messy stupid ugly relationship yes

01:41:55.560 already please stop calling it a relationship i can i please get through my fucking story

01:42:03.240 all right i go ahead you had a what what what do you want to call it it's a sexual relationship

01:42:11.280 fortunately i don't remember ever having sex with matt and i'm not denying that it happened just

01:42:19.220 like i've never accused him of rape i'm just saying other people have accused him of rape

01:42:24.440 he's accused himself of raping me and bragged about getting away with it i did not ever press

01:42:30.100 charges because i did not want to ruin someone's life over something that i didn't remember i wasn't

01:42:36.500 sure happened and that claims to have a text from you saying that you read that article and it made

01:42:42.100 you wet and you masturbated to it well i have a i'm screen sharing text uh i'm screen sharing

01:42:48.420 text right now uh showing that i moved into rogers park before and did look at the time

01:42:54.980 You didn't and I don't know how you lie and said I was stalking you

01:43:00.560 You know that I moved in after you and I was stalking you. I caught you in a lie here, and I did not

01:43:09.620 Jesus Christ you can't stop running your mouth ever. I

01:43:13.660 Never said that you moved in after me. I told Jim that somehow

01:43:20.200 you figured out where I was moving before I got there or maybe it was a

01:43:25.240 coincidence how I figured out where you were moving because you fucking told me

01:43:30.700 when I asked you and I was shocked because you had moved on to the same

01:43:35.160 block as me I was like that's weird is she stalking me and you know what's no

01:43:42.000 man this projection is you sound like such a moralist Matt you sound you

01:43:47.080 don't sit on hate-filled and bitter and angry you sound like a good person and

01:43:50.500 everyone around you like me and her we're bad people if you're if you're

01:43:57.160 hearing blatant falsehoods and yeah getting angry is is is a natural

01:44:01.360 reaction yeah that's why we're mad at you by the way a rainy can confirm that

01:44:08.560 you've been telling this lie to him as well that I moved in after you and that

01:44:12.220 I was stopping you and you said he moved in after you like he was in love with

01:44:16.840 you and stalking you i if i said that i was incorrect he moved in before me but i don't

01:44:22.640 know how he got the information of where i was moving let me clarify this this we're going way

01:44:27.360 we're going way off my birthday party this is nothing yeah this is this is nothing uh i don't

01:44:32.680 really think i think this is all immaterial the way man told me it's like he was i was

01:44:37.500 the question i wanted to ask you and were you planning to move to this place

01:44:41.000 and he moved in at the time because it could have been a coincidence i don't know he's

01:44:45.880 He's nitpicking about stuff that really is

01:44:47.640 about whether I sent him an email.

01:44:49.680 I'm putting a five-minute...

01:44:51.520 You know what, Goat, you got five minutes

01:44:53.880 to talk about Matt and Ann

01:44:55.820 having a shitty whatever it was

01:44:57.980 they had.

01:44:59.180 Here's the thing, I can't comment on it

01:45:01.740 because I wasn't there.

01:45:03.280 Goat,

01:45:04.040 did anybody claim that Matt ever raped

01:45:07.160 Sturzinger? Only Matt.

01:45:09.800 Matt, did you ever claim that?

01:45:12.280 Yes or no?

01:45:13.220 Claim what? You cut out there for a second.

01:45:15.340 did you ever claim that you raped sterzinger yes or no no i did not claim that i raped okay and

01:45:20.380 i've read all your posts i even read that one about you having awkward sex with her and i don't

01:45:25.180 remember you ever claiming that so nobody claims that matt raped anybody okay matt matt in that

01:45:30.300 archive.is the thing i read are you talking about another girl article right there that we've all

01:45:34.460 read he never talked are you talking about another girl that you've kept going with or were you just

01:45:38.780 lying and talking about an experience that didn't happen goad only a feminist would call that rape

01:45:44.460 so i keep going when she says no i think it's legally right you're a wife beater and you deserve

01:45:49.340 to be in prison sucking dick no one said anything what what is the correlation you're trying to make

01:45:54.300 here he said i'm asking him he said they're only hold on there are three possibilities here he

01:46:00.460 wrote an article and then deleted it he said that deleted it at her request because he was being

01:46:05.980 polite goad if he is a rapist then you are a woman beater and you should be rotting in prison stuck

01:46:12.540 sucking I'm not I'm not the one talking about degeneracy okay I'm not saying that I'm not

01:46:25.200 moralizing about other people's behavior I'm just showing what a hypocritical bitter little worm

01:46:29.460 this guy is that's all the go-to insult of a scoundrel wait wait a minute hold on arena you

01:46:35.640 said the tab a feminist definition of rape is she says no I'm in pain and you keep that's just a

01:46:41.040 feminist definition or is that a legal definition because you i think you made an error a thinking

01:46:46.460 error there davis no i don't think i did rape is when somebody jumps out of the bushes okay can we

01:46:52.440 stop it's not it's when she says no and you keep going i think that's the legal definition you can

01:46:56.960 you can find out you can have a personal definition but that is the lead holy fuck i have to keep

01:47:01.220 using the mute button to get a word in on my own damn podcast goat i've had plenty of girls that

01:47:05.620 said don't use my last name it's disrespectful i'm jim i've always and i i've had plenty of

01:47:11.220 girls that said no i kept going in 30 seconds they were squirting all over the place okay

01:47:15.840 no and then there's no there's two different types of no everybody that's saying understands

01:47:21.800 that only feminists and male feminists don't understand the difference between no and no

01:47:26.840 but please keep going yes exactly and mouth no while she was fucking dragging me over to her

01:47:34.840 place to have sex with her and occupying my time. I still have not gotten to the end of my story.

01:47:43.720 Okay, but Anne, isn't the story just the dirty laundry between you and Forney? How is this

01:47:48.020 relevant? He's the one who's been constantly dragging it out. He claims that I've been

01:47:52.680 gossiping about him. I've been trying to clear up the misconception that I dated him, which is

01:47:58.840 kind of the worst slander that you can come up with about someone i as i as i told jim the other

01:48:06.640 day i did feel some empathy for matt because he's been picked on i was picked on in high school too

01:48:16.080 i feel empathy for other people who are picked on and he was clearly interested in dating me

01:48:24.580 i wanted to get away from him but i was having such a terrible time i don't know how he

01:48:34.020 got into the mix after my suicide attempt i tried to drink an entire bottle and i own all of this

01:48:40.020 shit he's he's presenting it like it's some revelation about me that i'm supposed to be

01:48:45.540 embarrassed about i got into it because you asked me to get into it the reason matt presents it

01:48:51.460 And when you drank, when you were going and there was a lot of people shitting on you at the time.

01:48:56.480 OK, when you were going through that, Matt was the person that showed up and walked you to the shower when he took care of you for a couple of days.

01:49:06.620 And the reason he brings that up isn't to paint himself some sort of saint.

01:49:10.380 The reason it keeps coming up is to point out that, yes, you might have had a lot of bad stuff in your relationship, but you had some good stuff as well.

01:49:18.860 and matt was there for you when nobody else was wasn't he could i please get through my story

01:49:25.020 i believe there's a legal document where you do confirm this but just in your own voice

01:49:29.340 was matt matt stopped you from drinking yourself to death one weekend didn't he

01:49:34.780 yes he helped me but he didn't help me out of pure motives he expected me to become his girlfriend

01:49:43.100 and i will fully admit that oh he had a crush on you he you were one of his favorite writers and

01:49:52.300 he had a crush on you and he was trying to help you and guess what men we think with our dicks

01:49:59.100 like i'm not saying corny's a saint i'm saying he's just an like every single one of

01:50:04.380 us what why do we have to keep digging up this goddamn dirty laundry he's the one who's been

01:50:11.260 digging it up all along i've just been trying to defend myself as i'm doing now and you guys are

01:50:17.100 just talking you're completely full but you and for me whatever your you don't want to use

01:50:24.300 relationship whatever your your human connection was was not healthy and not good and certainly

01:50:31.020 ended terribly but there was some good to it and it was not vile nastiness and psychopathy

01:50:37.420 there was some good to it but can i just tell the story please just let her finish

01:50:47.380 go ahead was i i i yes i drank a large quantity of alcohol in an attempt to kill myself because

01:50:57.760 of shit that rachel did matt offered to help me out i thought generously

01:51:02.620 he kind of tallied up every cent he spent on it um later when he came back to my house

01:51:12.300 wanting to be babysat during a bad trip he actually said you owe me

01:51:18.700 um this was long after i didn't want to have anything to do with him

01:51:24.760 and you didn't have to

01:51:27.140 let you finish

01:51:28.080 and I did think

01:51:33.200 at certain points well I'm

01:51:35.080 40 years old my

01:51:37.280 boyfriend just left me for a younger

01:51:39.380 woman maybe this is the best I can do

01:51:41.260 like he's not good looking but I can be

01:51:43.180 forgiving I can be empathetic about

01:51:45.280 his you know being picked on and

01:51:47.180 what not

01:51:47.580 but his behavior was so

01:51:51.460 awful

01:51:52.460 between just the constant manipulation and the telling me and you know if if i want to figure

01:52:05.220 out a way to dig up our text facebook posts and waste half my life going through them i can prove

01:52:10.720 this shit too he would pretend to be neighborly and polite and and invite me to his birthday party

01:52:19.320 and then present me to everyone at his birthday party

01:52:22.460 as though I were his girlfriend.

01:52:25.240 No woman wants to date someone who presents her as a bride.

01:52:29.460 I did not do that.

01:52:30.960 And every single girlfriend I have,

01:52:33.100 they will write a sworn statement,

01:52:34.780 I have a two-inch long penis.

01:52:36.340 It was eight inches when we were dating,

01:52:38.160 but as soon as we break up, it's two fucking inches.

01:52:40.340 I don't know how that works.

01:52:41.500 It just seems to work.

01:52:42.760 Why the hell are we airing the dirty laundry between you two?

01:52:45.940 Is there a point to this?

01:52:47.140 Because this is ugly and pathetic.

01:52:49.320 yeah it's ugly and pathetic and what's even uglier and pathetic more pathetic is that no one

01:52:54.600 will let me get to the end of the story well does the story have an end because i think we

01:53:01.240 what what's the point of this you guys were shitty together

01:53:07.800 my point is all the insults about matt being fat or whatever are immaterial

01:53:13.800 to his actual character i considered dating him yes but he

01:53:22.360 i was i was on a podcast with him where he would take my research from that i had done

01:53:30.120 previous to the podcast and blurt it all out at the beginning of the show as though he had done

01:53:37.480 the research. He would make up statistics on Twitter to get attention. I was just embarrassed

01:53:44.040 to be associated with this person. And that post that he claims I masturbated about,

01:53:51.720 I just ignored it at the beginning because it was painful to me to read that someone that I had

01:53:57.000 trusted was writing about anally raping me in public while I was at an extremely low point in

01:54:03.320 my life and i totally admit that i was at an extremely low point in my life i was up i don't

01:54:09.560 remember a lot of what i said and did at that point and my perception is that matt was trying

01:54:16.680 to use this as a way to get a girlfriend and he's been and i even tried i didn't want to have a

01:54:26.040 relationship with him but i tried to i should have been straight up and just said look you

01:54:33.480 disgust me get away from me but i wanted to be humane i wanted to all right listen and is there

01:54:41.400 anything else you want to say because you're in a really bad place right now and i this this is

01:54:49.800 just ugly this is a yeah this is a surreal ending to a surreal week but matt has

01:54:56.120 just just like he did with jim matt wrote a bunch of blowing posts about my books praising me

01:55:05.320 just like he did with jim writing glowing posts about his books praising him because

01:55:12.520 wait wait matt do you write an article about raping goat in the ass

01:55:15.640 this is germane to what

01:55:20.360 well i'm trying to figure out how your relationship with matt forney is germane to anything

01:55:30.620 and it was goad was the one that wanted you on here matt yes he's making demands

01:55:37.320 it's five in the morning my time he's the one who got got demanded that i appear on a stream

01:55:42.380 with him and for some well matt you could have done it a lot earlier your time if you hadn't

01:55:46.780 spent all day trying to think of a way to wiggle out of this i was not looking for a way to wiggle

01:55:52.780 out of this uh you started the whole podcast with a really lame attempt to wiggle out of this which

01:55:59.340 what kind of blew my mind it was like and i'm low even for you what else you got to say

01:56:05.260 what else have i got to say yeah

01:56:12.940 where was i before i was interrupted multiple times i think you were talking about how you

01:56:20.780 hate matt forney and he's terrible in bed and has a two-inch penis and he's fat

01:56:24.200 yeah no i was talking about how matt the the similarity in the situation is matt wrote

01:56:32.460 glowing articles about both me and Jim's writing and then tried to manipulate us into giving him

01:56:41.920 something he wanted. In Jim's case, it was giving his backpacking tour attention, raising his

01:56:48.780 compel as a writer. In my case, it was providing him with a girlfriend that he could hold up

01:56:54.700 to show that his dating advice wasn't a failure and bullshit. When those two things failed,

01:57:00.740 he turned to shitting on both of us and i really regret keeping my mouth shut all these months

01:57:07.220 while matt has been shitting all over me because he took that as an indication that he's going to

01:57:13.720 get away with this behavior and he's going to repeat it on someone else and that's why i let

01:57:18.220 myself be dragged into this shit show because i kept my mouth shut and let him get away with it

01:57:25.460 And then watched as he did the exact same thing to Goat, who has never been anything but pleasant to me.

01:57:32.480 And I hope things are going to go better for you in the near future.

01:57:37.200 I'm going to kick you off right now.

01:57:39.100 Thanks for being on.

01:57:41.420 Now, Goat, it sounds to me like you brought on a woman that just got raped a couple days ago

01:57:49.980 and is extremely emotional vulnerable

01:57:51.820 who happens to be an ex-girlfriend

01:57:53.940 of somebody you're angry at

01:57:55.680 with criticizing you

01:57:57.160 just to attack him emotionally

01:57:59.940 and drag up his dirty laundry.

01:58:01.560 Why the hell did you bring Ann Sturzinger

01:58:03.220 into any of this?

01:58:04.960 And you need to unmute yourself.

01:58:10.700 Okay, the record will show

01:58:11.900 that this is the eighth time

01:58:13.760 you've asked me this question.

01:58:15.000 I don't know why you keep asking it.

01:58:16.360 I explained it.

01:58:16.980 What about it don't you understand?

01:58:18.500 I'm going to repeat your answer.

01:58:19.980 You say, I brought up this incredibly emotionally vulnerable woman to point out that Matt doesn't care about this emotionally vulnerable woman.

01:58:27.380 Well, I think he does care, but he's trying to defend his reputation right now.

01:58:31.400 And he doesn't know whether or not she actually got raped.

01:58:34.140 He doesn't know if you were making it up.

01:58:35.780 This is a really awkward thing.

01:58:37.500 Oh, I know.

01:58:38.260 But Davis, have I ever been deceptive with you to your knowledge?

01:58:41.900 Do you ever feel that I was ever lying to you?

01:58:43.560 I think you're, well, you're being pretty deceptive on this.

01:58:46.620 How?

01:58:46.940 bringing a rape victim on who wasn't even raped by forney like why are you bringing a

01:58:51.580 warning says she raped her she never said this has all been we're going over the same territory

01:58:55.660 hey forney said he raped her nobody claims that but you forney said it in his own words i'm always

01:59:02.140 i didn't say he raped her i said forney said i'm very careful with my words davis i don't know why

01:59:06.220 you understand i keep clarifying this and you don't understand it for me did you say that you

01:59:11.100 raped her i did not i read post when it came out i thought it was in poor taste but i never i read

01:59:19.100 it i never said holy shit matt you raped no i i read it and said matt this is kind of vulgar you

01:59:23.660 shouldn't publish this and everyone the link one more time to see what i'm talking about i'm not

01:59:30.300 fabricating he he deleted it but it's still in the wayback machine archive.is please don't

01:59:35.660 interrupt me archive dot is z looks like a little o tks that's that's all capital capital z over

01:59:42.140 case please don't interrupt me send me the link i'll toss into chat you're not going to read out

01:59:47.340 a url on my live stream now quite frankly go that sounds like one of those weenie white nationalists

01:59:53.500 that claims that roosh raped women because one time he said she was so hot that even i don't

01:59:59.020 can i talk i don't i don't it's i'm not taking this from i wanted to show how he would respond

02:00:04.460 that's all i think what happened to her the other night was horrible i know matt said if he's he's

02:00:10.120 not saying it was some other woman but he said he kept going with him i'm not condemning him i'm

02:00:14.440 showing that he was a degenerate according to his own book and suddenly he's a new person i don't

02:00:19.660 really think he had any repentance from what matt said he once said that the manosphere to remain

02:00:24.160 relevant must align itself with the alt-right he island hops from these movements to attach

02:00:29.580 himself he keeps talking about relevancy it seems like that's a signal that he's concerned with it

02:00:34.360 like i said at the beginning i don't care if i'm more or less popular than anyone i don't care about

02:00:38.500 being relevant i care about writing what interests me this is a guy who was three years ago bragging

02:00:43.980 about at least fucking some girl and keep kept going when she said stop now he's pointing fingers

02:00:49.020 about all these degenerates and fags and still his fat ass walks around naked in front of guys in

02:00:53.680 chicago apartments according to his friend edwin oslin that's what edwin told ann has forney made

02:01:00.600 a business out

02:01:02.780 of lambasting

02:01:04.720 men who kept going when she said no.

02:01:08.100 No, I never

02:01:08.620 claimed that. This is real pertinent to this

02:01:10.380 situation, that's all. How is he a

02:01:12.620 hypocrite? Who said hypocrite?

02:01:14.680 I said he keeps changing his spots.

02:01:17.040 She was brought on.

02:01:18.460 He's a hypocrite in the sense that he's not what he was

02:01:20.520 two years ago, which he wasn't four years

02:01:22.520 ago. He's changing his spots.

02:01:23.860 They're insincere. That's

02:01:26.400 a hypocrite. That's the definition of a hypocrite.

02:01:28.900 You're going to be a hypocrite.

02:01:29.940 Where did I call him a hypocrite or insincere?

02:01:33.700 By definite, you described a hypocrite.

02:01:36.160 Davis, you're very angry.

02:01:37.860 I'm talking calmly.

02:01:39.320 Everyone thinks I'm the hothead and everyone else is freaking the fuck out.

02:01:42.640 I'm asking you direct questions.

02:01:44.520 Where did I call him a hypocrite?

02:01:47.840 All right.

02:01:49.060 Where did I call him a hypocrite?

02:01:50.620 And once again, I'm going to mute him so I can actually respond.

02:01:53.700 You described him as changing his position and hopping between popular things

02:01:58.760 about not having intrinsic beliefs about just voicing beliefs to be popular that definition

02:02:05.500 of a hypocrite you were i don't know what you think a hypocrite is if i say hypocrite if anyone

02:02:10.800 else says hypocrite if you look up the dictionary definition of hypocrite what you described was a

02:02:16.060 hypocrite that's what you were accusing him of now forney has not made a career out of us can i

02:02:24.120 Distinguish between hypocrisy and what I'm saying he does.

02:02:27.140 If when he was a manuscript, I think what's hypocritical there is posing as a guy who knows about chicks.

02:02:33.040 Because the world laughed when they saw his picture.

02:02:35.520 This is a guy who obviously knows nothing about chicks.

02:02:38.060 I'm accusing him of inconsistency.

02:02:40.740 If he was consistent with his manuscript, he wasn't a hypocrite.

02:02:46.240 If when he became a white nationalist or whatever alt-right, he was talking about white people, giving speeches about white people.

02:02:51.900 if he was consistent at that time he wasn't a hypocrite if as a moralist right now he's not

02:02:57.900 being degenerate or or drinking too much which the bible is against he's not a hypocrite he's

02:03:03.060 just inconsistent and that suggests and and the the key phrase is the one he used to remain

02:03:09.480 relevant the alt-right must go with the manosphere his own behavior shows that he's somebody who

02:03:14.100 really doesn't know what he believes because he keeps changing it as the tides turn that's all

02:03:18.240 that's not the definition of a hypocrite that's someone who's inconsistent thanks for giving me

02:03:22.120 opportunity to clarify you know it really just strikes me that you hated him for years i've no

02:03:28.800 no it's it's not that deep it's i'm like wow look at this clown we've made endless jokes about him

02:03:34.200 i haven't hated him you know and like ann said you look at him and you feel hold on you've asked me

02:03:38.640 a question you look at him you feel sorry and if matt wasn't this obvious joke who's self-promoting

02:03:45.080 and changing his spots and very bitter and lashing out i'd feel sorry for him i kind of do have a

02:03:50.740 soft spot for underdogs and people that we picked on i was always strange i would have been totally

02:03:55.300 cool to him this guy's full of bluster and bullshit though that's what bothers me but it's like okay

02:04:00.640 this guy i've been mocking and laughing about for years good like no then that gave me a chance

02:04:05.520 to just i think i've revealed what i intended to i think my mission is complete here this is a guy

02:04:10.780 who's very bitter very shallow poses a moralist he's full of shit about that he's just a bitter

02:04:16.340 person that's all i have actually more reason to be well maybe not i've had a lot of happiness in

02:04:22.340 my life and a lot of great times maybe matt's just been miserable his whole life you look at his face

02:04:26.740 i don't think i've ever seen him smiling you look at most pictures of me i'm smiling okay he accused

02:04:32.280 me of being bitter in that podcast i think matt's a lot more bitter than i am i'm more traumatized

02:04:37.360 probably because I've had a worse life I think he's more bitter though and again

02:04:40.720 I say I think not accusing him but from his behavior and the tone of his voice

02:04:44.800 he's a very charmless and shrill person that's all

02:04:51.980 fifth-grade insult such what you got you pulled up a you dragged a truck

02:04:57.640 supposedly traumatized woman out here she volunteered she said please pretty

02:05:02.500 much not please but she's like she's she volunteered to me she's like you can

02:05:05.500 use all of this i didn't i didn't ask her i didn't pluck it from her i made very clear i asked her

02:05:11.320 i'm like you know i could or she wanted me to that's all i didn't exploit her she made it clear

02:05:16.060 she wanted to and you could probably the people who see my face when i'm talking during this

02:05:19.700 horrible segment since she was drawn on i'm not here to exploit it i feel really horrible for

02:05:24.740 what happened the other night and i hope the guy gets caught that's all i'm saying and my my plan

02:05:29.440 was to see how matt would react you know what if matt had said holy fuck you know what that's all

02:05:34.800 you show me the police report you can tell by her mean how she's acting that it happened and if you

02:05:40.140 want to challenge that the police reports and the hospital reports will be produced right now you

02:05:44.340 can see the wristband from the hospital jimgo.net slash ann ann.jpeg but i i really when this

02:05:52.760 happened it's like i the opportunity was like here's what i can here's where i can show what

02:05:58.060 a shallow person he is because he was more concerned about the high school bullshit than

02:06:01.980 the fact that she just got raped he called me not sincere i'm sincere more hardcore and and more to

02:06:07.480 the fucking bone than you will ever be mad you're so in other words go you came onto my live stream

02:06:13.780 under the premise that you were going to debate matt forney but you had a different motive your

02:06:18.840 true motive for coming on here was to get sympathy for ann sterzinger for an unrelated rape that's

02:06:24.960 manipulative and that's dishonest her rape has absolutely nothing to do with anything whatsoever

02:06:29.760 and how I feel about it or how Matt

02:06:32.060 feels about it is utterly

02:06:33.540 irrelevant and that's cheap

02:06:35.420 for the ninth time the purpose

02:06:38.080 was to show how Matt would react and

02:06:40.100 offered and for the ninth

02:06:41.920 time that was a cheap emotional

02:06:44.380 manipulative sneaky

02:06:46.180 male reaction

02:06:47.120 you should not have brought a woman that was

02:06:50.020 just raped I thought you were a moderator

02:06:51.920 talk shit about her ex-boyfriend

02:06:53.760 I did what I did and I think it was effective

02:06:55.920 and we can disagree about that but you're not being a

02:06:58.040 moderator like I knew you wouldn't but you still lost because this has been we've been more

02:07:01.500 compelling than you two have that's all I'm arguing with the devil right now

02:07:05.880 somebody said I was somebody Alex McNabb just texted me he said that someone in the chat

02:07:11.900 called me the satanic Dr. Phil you're arguing you believe in the devil Davis I believe in you

02:07:18.200 okay well the friend the 50 foot cock in your mouth okay you're being sneaky you're not gay

02:07:27.000 davis they're being snaky she's snaky come on own up to it davis everyone talks about it

02:07:33.080 you're the one who's obsessed with fags and manliness don't go there i was going to be

02:07:37.180 kind to you but you're being kind of a little dick here too

02:07:39.720 she was being snaky what are you paul lind you talk gay do you know that right you talk gay as

02:07:50.660 fuck you're the gayest talking motherfucker in the world davis the first time you entered my

02:07:55.920 apartment to do that stupid failed movie where he acted like a retard for two years live streaming

02:08:00.260 about it falling apart i'm like wow he talks gay so don't talk about degeneracy and what you know

02:08:05.320 about women everyone suspects you're gay whether that's true or not i don't care don't get snippy

02:08:10.080 with me missy i accuse you of using manipulative arguments and your response is to accuse me of

02:08:18.720 being a homosexual wait yeah i'm not being upset with being gay dude what's this you're the one

02:08:25.440 was accusing us of being obsessed with fags and faggotry and now you're accusing davis of being

02:08:29.120 gay i think the well his voice and talking about fags all the time i think sounds suspicious to

02:08:34.080 everyone i think it sounds very suspicious to me and others i've talked to that's all

02:08:37.920 that's all i'm saying it's called a nun situation i don't be 50 foot cock in your mouth you talk like

02:08:43.840 you have a 50 foot cock in your mouth and that's what a girl that i know said just let just throwing

02:08:48.800 that out there you can you can think it's manipulative people can judge in the chat

02:08:52.960 everywhere else i'm satisfied with what's happened here matt has shown to be the snip goad okay i'll

02:08:58.480 call you a reenie like i said that's disrespectful call me by my name in private you always call me

02:09:02.720 jim okay okay or reenie how does that feel or reenie hey forney i usually call him forney in

02:09:09.760 our private conversations i personally we don't give a shit about such things don't give a shit

02:09:15.120 about what about what name you call us matt or forney i don't care i didn't ask if you cared

02:09:21.360 or not and it's really okay i don't care that you don't care so why did you bring it up how is that

02:09:27.040 pertinent to anything matt you've revealed yourself to be the bitter worm that you are and my mission

02:09:31.040 accomplished that's all you're a fan of mine i've never been a fan of yours you can project that i'm

02:09:35.440 obsessed with you i'm obsessed with making fun at your expense that's all i've never thought you were

02:09:40.800 remotely talented or interesting it's not effort it's fun you don't know what fun is look at your

02:09:45.760 face like i said show me one picture of you smiling every three in your head for here

02:09:50.880 is pretty goddamn pathetic it's like jordan peterson blasting oh that's you're so fascinating

02:09:57.760 you are such fat you're fascinating because you're such a joke man that's all we've been

02:10:03.120 telling jokes about you i i made that clear at the beginning i shouldn't even be important enough for

02:10:08.240 you i can't avoid you you like every stop listening to my podcast i wouldn't think about you every

02:10:13.360 week is an example in point who the fuck cares who likes whose podcast I don't I just I don't

02:10:19.060 want you listening to my podcast I don't thank you no I don't like you yes I like it every

02:10:25.900 fucking week I like everyone shit out of politeness oh oh that's good Matt that's

02:10:32.140 it's called everyone believes that defeat algorones i do the same thing on youtube i've admitted this

02:10:37.340 publicly which is naked mole there you go again with the fifth grade bullshit you never you never

02:10:44.620 age past high school oh jesus christ matt well compared to you like i said you've got a 90

02:10:49.180 year old's body you're going to die of a heart attack within five years so what's the point

02:10:52.300 about all the ages of matt i feel like you've never looked well in your life and that's that's

02:10:59.660 what makes you such a bitter person i'm sorry i don't know any other explanation you must have been

02:11:03.660 bullied for how you look and it affected your personality what else called matt a bitter person

02:11:10.940 well earlier you said i never speculate as to what somebody's like on the inside i only described

02:11:15.980 their behavior you have repeatedly claimed to have interior knowledge of matt's not no i'm talking

02:11:23.020 about his his mean i said i use these words davis pay attention okay i said his mean his behavior

02:11:29.020 he's snapping everyone can hear in his voice show me a picture on search matt forney find one picture

02:11:35.020 of him smiling one one tacky theodore coppolis who runs tacky every picture that guy has slashed

02:11:42.940 off his ass and look looks like he's had every picture you've ever seen of tacky smiling matt

02:11:48.780 matt even the drinking doesn't make him happy i i think you know i'm not reading what's inside his

02:11:53.740 mind he doesn't smile i think you can infer from that that he's bitter and just the tone of his

02:11:58.620 voice if he's not at the sunshine inside he needs to realign how it comes off because he seems very

02:12:04.380 bitter to me is that better i don't smile because the average man looks retarded when he smiles

02:12:12.780 you look retarded just walking out of the you can't retarded out of the career better if you

02:12:18.060 didn't smile go like one of the things i hate i love america but one of the things i really

02:12:23.020 dislike about america is how they smile these eating grins constantly look i'm taking it

02:12:28.300 It's stop smiling, assholes.

02:12:30.680 If you got to have a little bit of an asshole smirk like I do.

02:12:35.640 Or that you're thinking about a 50-foot cock.

02:12:37.960 I don't know.

02:12:38.440 I don't know your thoughts.

02:12:39.360 But anyway, I'm talking about Matt.

02:12:41.340 I think you are smiling in some pictures.

02:12:42.920 I've never seen.

02:12:43.660 Matt looks very unhappy.

02:12:45.320 People can tell someone's emotional state by their facial expressions.

02:12:49.120 I've always seen you very miserable.

02:12:50.800 You're going to judge my emotional state based on what?

02:12:52.000 Like a dozen pictures?

02:12:53.360 You've never met me.

02:12:54.060 Every picture I've ever seen is the same.

02:12:57.160 I make it a point to not smile

02:12:59.060 because I don't like it when people smile

02:13:01.120 in pictures. It looks retarded.

02:13:03.000 But otherwise, you're a very happy person. Is that what you're telling us?

02:13:05.300 Because it's not coming through in your voice either.

02:13:07.100 I don't claim to be happy. Happy is a fleeting

02:13:09.300 emotion. I'm content most

02:13:11.260 of the time. Happiness is something that

02:13:13.100 comes and goes. I don't pursue

02:13:15.020 happiness because guess what? People who pursue

02:13:17.040 happiness end up on drugs or try to kill

02:13:19.160 themselves. Do you drink?

02:13:21.200 Do you still drink? I drink occasionally.

02:13:23.620 How often do you drink?

02:13:24.580 like once every two weeks and you get drunk once every couple of months once every couple months

02:13:31.880 well that's i mean how's that not a drug i have and why are you morally judging other alcohol in

02:13:38.820 my experience has been more destructive to more people than any other drug any other

02:13:43.420 your moral fagging about people who do other intoxicants while you get drunk

02:13:48.920 i don't drink that's a that's a hypocrite right there i used to drink far more than i did and i

02:13:56.360 have more or less stopped it basically the only time what about what about the eating what about

02:14:01.100 the eating matt let's talk about that you're not happy you're stuffing your face then why are you

02:14:05.380 eating so much i'm at the lowest weight i've been in four years so what 400 uh two 92 kilograms

02:14:12.160 92 that sounds a lot less than what it actually is 203 pounds 92 kilograms of 203 pounds yeah

02:14:20.520 how tall are you i am five foot ten i'm still overweight but guess what i'm working on how

02:14:25.880 many women he's had sex with next like goat come on what the fuck's your point here i think i think

02:14:31.080 the 50 foot cock thing got you angry so maybe we should wrap this up arini you know i've been

02:14:36.600 sitting on that line for fucking years and hunter came up with that one thank you hunter she said

02:14:41.700 man he talks like he's got a 50-foot cock in his mouth and that's I think

02:14:44.580 that's hilarious so obviously you're rattled maybe we should wrap this up

02:14:47.700 unless you think they could be an on buddy got like use not enough super

02:14:52.560 chats though for you got any fuck there's a reason I've been dreading this

02:14:59.580 all week well if and has been raped and you know what pardon me for not taking a

02:15:07.320 woman at her word directly particularly someone who has done so much wrong to me and i'm to be

02:15:13.160 perfectly honest davis i'm kind of disappointed that you kicked her off because pretty much

02:15:16.600 everything she said that was a lie or a half-truth but i don't want to try i get what you did it

02:15:20.360 though if she has been raped i my sympathy is with her having said that goat is not interested

02:15:27.320 in comforting a rape woman if he had if he if he had uh if if that was his goal he wouldn't

02:15:33.720 have trotted her out like a fucking zoo animal and you know what i don't you know he seems to

02:15:40.180 think this is some kind of kill shot all shown is that uh and again i'm kind of disappointed you

02:15:45.300 kicked him off as well because i want to you know i i i have no i don't care about him i don't

02:15:52.820 am not intimidated by him or his threats okay it shows that he's a man without principles it really

02:15:59.040 does. Like I said, when he started trotting out the whole and thing, like his entire shtick going

02:16:04.580 back to shit magnet was, Oh, I, I never take a woman at her word, you know, and, and he was

02:16:10.000 complaining. And I think he has some legitimate grievances there that he went to prison in part

02:16:14.200 because everyone took the word of his crazy ex over his, well, we just saw him taking the word

02:16:20.780 of an insane woman over mine, uh, violating that fundamental principle of his own writing.

02:16:26.340 And that's all I have to say about this.

02:16:28.360 Let the chips fall where they may, and let the chips fall where they may.

02:16:32.880 Listen, the people that just like entertainment and endless anger, you know, they're going to think that Goad won this because he called me a fag and he called you fat.

02:16:41.700 Ergo, he won.

02:16:43.560 People that care about character, maybe not consistency because we, you know, you get older, you make a hypocrite of yourself.

02:16:52.100 You know, you make a mistake, you're like, yeah, no, that was stupid.

02:16:54.820 I shouldn't do that anymore.

02:16:55.900 And you tell your kids, yeah, don't smoke pot.

02:16:57.580 I smoked pot.

02:16:58.240 I screwed up three years of my life on that stuff.

02:17:00.760 So I guess you're a hypocrite.

02:17:02.440 Well, okay, but at least I have some character out of the whole damn thing.

02:17:07.020 Well, I said that this thing would be entertaining, and I'm sure it was.

02:17:11.240 People thought it was entertaining.

02:17:13.400 That's what I promised about it, and it was.

02:17:16.020 Prevair of Mercy points that out.

02:17:17.260 There were a lot of ad hominem attacks here.

02:17:21.040 I guess Goad's angry at God.

02:17:22.940 we failed to provide a justification

02:17:25.640 for why he shouldn't be, so he's probably

02:17:27.440 still angry at God.

02:17:29.100 But, you know, we're fags and losers,

02:17:31.420 so, eh, he wins.

02:17:34.000 Right? I'm sure he's going to

02:17:35.460 Twitter right now talking about how

02:17:37.200 he, uh,

02:17:38.840 how you were biased against him.

02:17:42.020 Which I'm sure was his plan

02:17:43.420 all along.

02:17:44.960 Oh, probably. The fact that he was acting

02:17:47.380 like my buddy and then he just turned on me

02:17:49.340 at the last, like, seriously, he's been sending me

02:17:51.320 Actually, here's something a friend just sent me on regards to this debate.

02:17:56.640 Drawing a much higher player still jumps your rating a shitload.

02:17:59.500 Or as an Israeli commentator said with regards to the war between the IDF and the Hezbollah,

02:18:11.520 if a lightweight draws a heavyweight, the lightweight won.

02:18:15.820 like i said go diminish his reputation by even doing this like i said at the beginning

02:18:22.760 he i i'm a nobody and he should have ignored me the fact that he didn't means that he already

02:18:28.380 took hits for this well just like we got a commenter here saying forney and davis could

02:18:33.020 not back up any claims made against uncle jim what claims did we make against him

02:18:37.120 all he did was he claimed that you raped a woman which you she came on and said no he never raped

02:18:43.560 me he called me a faggot um he called you fat well you are kind of fat for me but you're down

02:18:50.340 a lot you're getting i own it i own the fact i'm fat yeah so uh what claims do we make about him

02:18:59.000 that weren't that we failed to prove i don't know some people like uh dialectic others like

02:19:08.460 empty rhetoric.

02:19:10.700 Like I said, I'm sure you all were entertained

02:19:12.260 by this.

02:19:16.220 Well, that was a fun way to spend a Friday night.

02:19:19.500 Guys, thanks

02:19:20.420 for listening. I hope you at least had some

02:19:22.200 entertainment from all of this.

02:19:25.760 I'm going to

02:19:26.360 go back to hanging out with my dog.

02:19:29.560 God bless all of you.

02:19:30.940 Day is full.

02:19:32.760 This is Arini out.

Leo D.M.J. Aurini - September 01, 2018

A Friendly Conversation between Matt Forney and Jim Goad

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