Louder with Crowder - October 12, 2020


Amy Coney Barrett Change My Mind PreGame Q&A! | Good Morning #MugClub


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Join us today as we discuss the confirmation hearings of Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, and the controversy surrounding her confirmation. We will be taking your chats only on The Blaze TV's Change My Mind on the topic of the hearings.

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00:00:04.000 Well, just as soon as he kisses her, then they'll have to be married.
00:00:11.000 Hey, good morning. It's a beautiful day. I'm going to show you something. I'm going to
00:00:41.000 Good morning, Mug Club!
00:00:43.000 My name is Audio Wade.
00:00:44.000 Hey, how's it going, everybody?
00:00:46.000 I know it's not Stephen sitting here, which is confusing at least, but we do have Stephen.
00:00:51.000 He's going to be here.
00:00:52.000 He is headed right now to a Change My Mind on the topic of Amy Coney Barrett.
00:00:56.000 It's going to be Fill the Seat, Change My Mind.
00:00:59.000 It's going to be an exciting day.
00:01:00.000 In studio here is Brendan.
00:01:02.000 On the TriCaster.
00:01:02.000 Can you see Brendan?
00:01:03.000 There we go.
00:01:04.000 Hey, there's Brendan!
00:01:05.000 Whoa, this is exciting.
00:01:07.000 What a happy day.
00:01:08.000 All right, so yeah, so we will be taking your chats today only on the Blaze.
00:01:12.000 So we do have, we know that there are Facebook chats.
00:01:15.000 We're not going to take any from YouTube, anything like that, because again, they don't pay us nothing, I think is the way Stephen describes it.
00:01:22.000 So yeah, we'll be doing that.
00:01:24.000 Yeah, so again, get your chats in on Blaze TV.
00:01:29.000 Head over now, I think.
00:01:31.000 Let's see, we do have Stephen on the line.
00:01:33.000 Can we see you, Stephen?
00:01:35.000 Yes, I can see.
00:01:36.000 Can you guys hear me well?
00:01:38.000 We can hear you well.
00:01:39.000 Yeah, he's sitting over there in the car.
00:01:40.000 So you are headed now to... Who told you you could sit in my ex-chair and by the looks of your nerves here, leave a little O. Henry bar on there when I get back?
00:01:51.000 I thought you were going to be doing it from your booth, your audio booth.
00:01:54.000 Oh, well maybe... I guess I just made a bad assumption.
00:01:58.000 That's my fault.
00:01:59.000 Sorry about that, Mr. Crowder.
00:02:00.000 It doesn't harm me so much as it does the viewers.
00:02:04.000 That's true.
00:02:04.000 So we're sitting here in the studio, the B Team, I guess, but you are headed to a Change My Mind on the topic of Amy Coney Barrett, big story in the news right now.
00:02:13.000 Confirmation hearings, I guess, are going on right now.
00:02:16.000 Yes.
00:02:17.000 So what do you expect to see in the Change My Mind?
00:02:19.000 What's going on today?
00:02:21.000 Well, first off, yeah, everyone who's in the chat, of course, is a member of Mug Club, please do send what you want to see discussed most or what you expect people to discuss most.
00:02:30.000 And one of the, we'll be doing a couple of different locations today.
00:02:33.000 So I know this is the first time we've done this.
00:02:35.000 It's a bit on the fly.
00:02:36.000 One will be on campus, where I think I've been banned, but we're kind of off campus, but on campus.
00:02:43.000 And then we'll be moving around somewhere else around town.
00:02:47.000 So we get kind of a varied response.
00:02:51.000 This is one of those things where I just don't see, and often this is when it comes up when a change of mind sort of comes, it stems from exhaustion sometimes, I just don't see any valid argument as to why we don't confirm this state.
00:03:06.000 I really don't.
00:03:07.000 Like, constitutionally, as far as precedent, decorum, there's nothing to say that we shouldn't other than some people don't like her opinions.
00:03:15.000 And listen, I understand that.
00:03:17.000 I didn't like Sotomayor's opinions.
00:03:19.000 I didn't like Kagan's opinions.
00:03:20.000 But that's the process, right?
00:03:22.000 If you have a president who nominates and you have a Senate that confirms, them is the brakes.
00:03:29.000 So I expect people to sit down and probably say, well, they think it's wrong.
00:03:34.000 They think it's underhanded.
00:03:36.000 A lot of them probably don't know that this has happened 29 times in American history.
00:03:41.000 A lot of them probably don't know that this is right in line with both precedents and precedent.
00:03:46.000 Um, and I bet you a lot of them don't know a whole lot about Amy Coney Barrett outside of what the media has told them.
00:03:53.000 So I'm hoping this will coincide nicely with The grilling and the anti-Christian, anti-Catholic sentiment that will be taking place today during the hearings, and hopefully simultaneously be able to be broadcast and inform some people. 0.99
00:04:06.000 And listen, people need to know too, if we get enough, and this always depends because with Change My Mind, you know, sometimes we'll have people sit down and they go, well, I don't know, I think she's a bitch. 1.00
00:04:14.000 We're like, okay, thank you for sitting down. 0.94
00:04:16.000 We just don't broadcast.
00:04:17.000 Pretty much everyone always sees every Change My Mind that we record, unless it's someone who Seems like they might be challenged, or we'll have sometimes people just show up to promote their own stuff, like, hey, I'm running for the 42nd Congressional District.
00:04:30.000 Now, provided that those don't happen, if we get enough, we're going to be running Change My Mind on Amy Coney Barrett for two whole days. 0.70
00:04:38.000 So we'll be running it tomorrow morning, and then Wednesday morning, and of course, live fact-checking the Biden town hall on Thursday.
00:04:46.000 So it's a jam-packed week.
00:04:50.000 That was a roundabout way.
00:04:51.000 I kind of got everything in there, but that's what I expect.
00:04:53.000 And I try to go in open-minded with these things.
00:04:56.000 It's not a debate.
00:04:57.000 It really is, I'm hoping that I hear something that gives me a lightbulb moment as to why these folks are against nominating her.
00:05:04.000 And I haven't heard anything other than, well, we don't like her.
00:05:06.000 Merrick Garland.
00:05:07.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:05:09.000 And we do have a chat here from Christopher.
00:05:11.000 Christopher says, what is your take on the Dems threatening to increase the number of seats in the Supreme Court?
00:05:16.000 Do you expect that to come up today, or what are your general thoughts on that?
00:05:19.000 I do expect that to come up today and that's a tough one, the court packing.
00:05:24.000 Because, first off, we have changed the number of seats.
00:05:27.000 It's varied between 5 and 10.
00:05:29.000 But that was a very different time.
00:05:30.000 That was during the founding of the country when they actually hadn't really created most of the circuit courts.
00:05:36.000 Sure.
00:05:37.000 And so they didn't really know how many representatives they needed.
00:05:40.000 And then Abraham Lincoln, you know, had 10 justices as he was going into slavery, right?
00:05:45.000 And that was it.
00:05:46.000 But that was a civil war.
00:05:46.000 The last time this happened was a civil war over 150 years ago.
00:05:51.000 And it has been nine ever since.
00:05:52.000 And I tell you what, If we're going to be talking about honoring Ruth Bader Ginsburg's dying wishes, which no one can confirm and her granddaughter just says it's true, how about honoring her actually written on-the-record opinions?
00:06:05.000 And she was vehemently against court packing for the same reason that Joe Biden was vehemently against court packing up until literally three weeks ago.
00:06:14.000 Yeah, it is crazy how quickly that's changed.
00:06:16.000 And another chat here from Jonas.
00:06:18.000 He says, Discuss the difference between Merrick Garland and Amy Coney Barrett.
00:06:21.000 His name is Jonas.
00:06:22.000 That's true.
00:06:23.000 It is Jonas.
00:06:23.000 He's carrying the show.
00:06:26.000 That's not very nice.
00:06:28.000 Discuss the difference between Merrick Garland and Amy Coney Barrett.
00:06:33.000 So obviously you expect that to come out because that was essentially the argument that you heard about. 0.96
00:06:38.000 It's ridiculous. 0.92
00:06:39.000 Here's what I will say. 0.85
00:06:40.000 This, to me, is one of the most beautiful examples of the three branches of government.
00:06:45.000 Anyone out there watch the schoolhouse rock?
00:06:47.000 You guys remember?
00:06:48.000 It's executive, legislative, judiciary, right?
00:06:52.000 These are the three branches of government that we have, and the judiciary is meant to be the most separate and apart.
00:06:57.000 So, for someone to be confirmed, right, to the judiciary, that's that third branch, It has to go through the Executive, the President has to nominate, and then it has to go through the Legislative, where you then have the Senate who has to confirm, and then we have a new Justice on the Judiciary!
00:07:14.000 Hey, here's a thought!
00:07:16.000 Merrick Garland, we had Executive Barack Obama nominated just as 29 times with Presidents who have come before him, and we had a Senate who rejected.
00:07:27.000 And in this case, we have a Republican Senate, so they'll likely confirm.
00:07:29.000 Barack Obama was well in his authority to nominate, Just as the Senate was well in their authority to deny.
00:07:36.000 Donald Trump is well within his authority to nominate just as Barack Obama was.
00:07:41.000 And the Senate is well within its authority to deny or accept.
00:07:45.000 Nothing has changed.
00:07:46.000 I don't understand why it's an issue.
00:07:48.000 So it's one of those things where people say Merrick Garland, Merrick Garland.
00:07:50.000 No, the issue wasn't just that it was an election year.
00:07:52.000 That's what the media tried to paint it out to be because obviously they cherry pick the
00:07:56.000 arguments that you heard presented from Lindsey Graham or McConnell.
00:07:58.000 Lindsey Graham said on the record several times, he said, listen, this is unprecedented
00:08:03.000 in a split election, in a split party right now between the executive branch and the legislative
00:08:08.000 branch in an election year to expect it to get forced through.
00:08:11.000 That's just not going to happen.
00:08:13.000 And then, of course, when he goes on the cable news shows and he talks more, sometimes he
00:08:17.000 doesn't express the full breadth of his argument and says, well, this is an election year.
00:08:21.000 It's different.
00:08:22.000 So then people take the weakest argument, right?
00:08:23.000 And they go, oh, all he said was it was the election year.
00:08:27.000 He was very clear in what he was expressing.
00:08:29.000 Conservatives who knew what they were talking about knew I was an issue.
00:08:32.000 Now, my concern here, and this is why we did the change of mind, is I do see, unfortunately, a lot of people on the right who were reductive, who simplified it to, ah, it's an election year!
00:08:42.000 Well, that was never the argument.
00:08:43.000 It was never my argument.
00:08:45.000 Sure.
00:08:45.000 So hopefully this provides an opportunity to illuminate that for people.
00:08:50.000 Yeah.
00:08:50.000 Because it wasn't just about it being an election year.
00:08:53.000 It was about it being a divided government.
00:08:54.000 And by the way, In midterms, Republicans have only added seats to the Senate.
00:08:59.000 So when people say, oh, it's a vote of no confidence... Well, no, in this case, it's a vote of supreme confidence when you're talking about the Senate.
00:09:06.000 Yeah, absolutely.
00:09:07.000 Yeah, we have another one here actually about the... A change of mind, I guess, in general.
00:09:11.000 It says... It's from Steven with a PH.
00:09:14.000 In today's... In today's cultural climate... I hope that guy gets martyred.
00:09:18.000 Wow. 0.99
00:09:20.000 In today's cultural climate... First martyr.
00:09:21.000 Ah.
00:09:24.000 Delightful.
00:09:25.000 In today's cultural climate, is it possible to help someone change their mind, or are people doomed to be stuck in their ways?
00:09:32.000 What do you think?
00:09:32.000 I mean, obviously, you're going out there doing something called Change My Mind.
00:09:36.000 It assumes that there's, at some level, some ability for people to change their minds today.
00:09:42.000 Right.
00:09:42.000 Well, I'll tell you what.
00:09:44.000 I've never had my mind changed entirely on an issue or fundamentally on an issue at a Change My Mind.
00:09:50.000 But I have had my mind opened on certain thoughts, and I will say this, in trying to change my mind, often people change their own mind.
00:09:56.000 Often people end up finding common ground.
00:09:58.000 So, to Stephen with a PH, hopefully you've watched Change My Mind before, and if you have, you've seen dozens of examples of other people changing their minds, simply through the attempt to change my mind.
00:10:09.000 And that also can happen, by the way, when there's a debate.
00:10:12.000 When it's just a debate where you're trying to score points, which is what we have on television, which is what the cable news system is designed to encourage, you've got an eight minute segment and you've got to use up as much time as possible to score points, right?
00:10:25.000 Because your only job at that point is to try and show the audience, right?
00:10:29.000 The dwindling audience with cable news, how your arguments are supreme.
00:10:33.000 When it changed my mind, it's almost like, you know, you've been doing jujitsu more now and you've sort of grown to understand the difference That simply having rounds makes, right?
00:10:42.000 The early UFCs, they had no rounds.
00:10:45.000 They had no time limit.
00:10:47.000 And when that's the case, guess what?
00:10:48.000 You didn't have anyone stalling and then looking to score points before the end of the round for the ref to step in.
00:10:54.000 You didn't have anyone looking to the ref because there was no ref.
00:10:57.000 That's what changed my mind is.
00:10:59.000 It's, listen, it's a slow cook.
00:11:01.000 It's we sit down, there is no ref.
00:11:04.000 There is no one keeping time.
00:11:05.000 There is no one who needs to get to reverse mortgage commercials.
00:11:09.000 It is do the ideas stand or fall.
00:11:11.000 And, of course, we're not going to be talking for two, three hours because sometimes these people like to be long-winded.
00:11:17.000 There is a point where you have to end it and you realize it's no longer fruitful.
00:11:20.000 But that really is what changed my mind.
00:11:23.000 I've tried to reiterate this as often as possible.
00:11:26.000 It is not a debate.
00:11:27.000 People can go and watch what a debate is like when I was on BBC or Sky News or Fox News or Russia Today,
00:11:34.000 or we've had people on our show.
00:11:35.000 I'm very clear that it's different when there's a debate.
00:11:37.000 This is trying to encourage people to rationalize their position and use a Socratic method.
00:11:42.000 And often people have never done that, specifically on college campuses, which is remarkable
00:11:48.000 because a lot of these kids who come up are, and not just kids, we've done it obviously downtown Austin,
00:11:53.000 we've done it downtown Dallas, we've done it in front of the White House,
00:11:56.000 we've done it in Michigan, right?
00:11:58.000 We've done it in Vermont, not always at schools.
00:12:00.000 But what is most remarkable to me is when we do these kinds of events at schools is you'll have people
00:12:06.000 who come up who are studying philosophy or humanities Yeah, I think probably a lot of what you'll encounter today is going to be, you know, maybe some of the anti-Christian or anti-Catholic kind of sentiment.
00:12:20.000 We have a question here from Mark, who says, so why is ACB being crucified for being Catholic, but Joe Biden isn't?
00:12:29.000 That's because Joe Biden isn't Catholic.
00:12:31.000 OK.
00:12:32.000 What do you mean?
00:12:33.000 What do you mean by that? 0.98
00:12:34.000 I mean, this is a guy who wants millions of unborn babies killed in their mother's womb. 0.94
00:12:39.000 And I mean, he's best. 0.74
00:12:42.000 He's buddied up with the lady who's been denied communion.
00:12:44.000 I don't listen.
00:12:45.000 You'll know them by the fruits of the tree.
00:12:47.000 I don't know anything about Joe Biden.
00:12:48.000 I don't know any values that he has expressed that are Catholic values.
00:12:52.000 None.
00:12:53.000 Then again, I also feel that way about the Pope.
00:12:57.000 I'm not a Catholic.
00:12:58.000 I'm a Protestant.
00:12:58.000 I know we have plenty of brothers and sisters in the Catholic denomination where we disagree on theology, but I think we find, of course, a lot of common ground.
00:13:07.000 And one of them that really seems to be undeniable should be the idea of life.
00:13:11.000 And Joe Biden doesn't believe that.
00:13:13.000 His running mates don't believe that.
00:13:15.000 And Joe Biden, at every turn, if you can look at what he's espoused and what he's believed, It runs in diametric opposition to the Catholic Church.
00:13:24.000 Now, it's something that... I can't say he's not a Catholic.
00:13:29.000 I can say he's not an observant Catholic.
00:13:32.000 For the same reason that Ben Shapiro is Jewish. 0.92
00:13:35.000 Okay?
00:13:36.000 Harvey Weinstein is Jewish. 0.76
00:13:37.000 You think they're going to the same synagogue?
00:13:41.000 You know what I mean?
00:13:42.000 No, listen.
00:13:42.000 This is important to note.
00:13:43.000 And so, the only way to really determine it would be to ask Joe Biden.
00:13:46.000 Not, well, how does your Catholic faith inform your... It would be like, Do you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and is the one and only way to get through heaven?
00:13:55.000 And if he says no, he's not a Catholic.
00:13:57.000 Amy Coney Barrett's been asked that.
00:13:58.000 She's answered very clearly, unequivocally.
00:14:01.000 I've never heard Joe Biden answer that way.
00:14:02.000 Right, yeah, and for some reason it isn't seen as an impediment to Joe Biden being able to make decisions, but it is seen as an impediment for ACB to be able to make decisions.
00:14:10.000 It's seen as an impediment because people don't believe that his Catholicism means anything.
00:14:14.000 Let's be clear.
00:14:15.000 That's true.
00:14:15.000 If they believed that he was actually Catholic, they know that Joe Biden would be pro-life and he would not be the Democratic nominee.
00:14:21.000 If they believed that he was actually Catholic, he would have a deep sympathy for the Founding Fathers and the Constitution and the reasons that we have the framing for this country that we do.
00:14:31.000 And he would be out there espousing his Catholic views. 0.95
00:14:33.000 And he would be praising ACB for Catholicism and for her faith, for her adoption of children from crap hole countries. 1.00
00:14:42.000 And I say that because it's a good thing that they were rescued. 0.94
00:14:44.000 They're not concerned with it for the same reason that they weren't concerned with Barack Obama's Christianity, for the same reason that Barack Obama never seated, he was never seated in a church throughout his entire presidency.
00:14:55.000 Because they know that they don't mean it.
00:14:57.000 Right.
00:14:58.000 Yeah, that makes sense.
00:14:59.000 Yeah, so we have another chat here from Brett.
00:15:01.000 He says, do you think it's time to change lifetime appointments for the Supreme Court?
00:15:06.000 Obviously, that's the current system, but what do you think?
00:15:09.000 Uh, no.
00:15:10.000 No?
00:15:10.000 Okay.
00:15:12.000 Certainly not right now.
00:15:13.000 Yeah, I guess... Listen, that's a topic... I set you up with a yes or no question.
00:15:16.000 That's my fault.
00:15:17.000 No, no, it's okay if it's a yes or no question.
00:15:19.000 Right now, no.
00:15:21.000 And certainly not as they're discussing packing courts.
00:15:24.000 I think we need to deal with Amy Coney Barrett and then we need to deal with this idea of packing courts and the election before we get to the idea of lifetime appointments. 1.00
00:15:31.000 Do I see a valid argument to be against it long term?
00:15:35.000 Sure, I absolutely do.
00:15:36.000 For the same reason that I see a valid argument against serious term limits for local representatives.
00:15:46.000 Right now, that's not a discussion that I think needs to be on the table.
00:15:49.000 What needs to be on the table is getting this distinguished lady confirmed and making sure that everyone knows court packing is straight from the pit of hell. 1.00
00:16:00.000 Gotcha.
00:16:01.000 Yeah, so one of the things that—I guess the right has been able to laugh off, but I guess it's a serious argument on the left.
00:16:08.000 Somebody said here, so I would like to see—Amber says, I would like to see you discuss how racist ACB is for stealing those poor Haitian children and then erasing their real parents.
00:16:17.000 You mentioned that, I guess, sort of offhand, but do you expect that to come up?
00:16:21.000 Is anybody actually arguing that, or is that just something that the right is able to make fun of?
00:16:29.000 She says, I would like to see you discuss it.
00:16:31.000 I'm not going to discuss it unless someone brings it up.
00:16:33.000 It's not an argument.
00:16:34.000 Right, right, right.
00:16:35.000 If someone brings it up, I'll just say, oh, OK.
00:16:39.000 Yeah.
00:16:39.000 It's one of those things.
00:16:41.000 I think the conservatives, unfortunately, and Amber, I appreciate it, but I think that a lot of people who maybe come from Uh, there was a sort of new wave of people who came from, not that they were alt-right, but that's where a lot of people sort of came in this trolling idea.
00:16:53.000 It doesn't mean that it's the best thing to do.
00:16:54.000 It may be fun on Twitter to make fun of people, but if you're actually having a discussion here, and the idea is to change people's minds, I certainly won't veer the conversation into, what do you think?
00:17:03.000 You know, like baiting that hook, kind of like a bait when you reach for my foot and I put you in a crucifix when we're doing jiu-jitsu.
00:17:10.000 I'm like, oh, what's this foot doing here?
00:17:11.000 You're like, I've got a single leg.
00:17:13.000 Oh, I'm being choked. 0.97
00:17:14.000 I'm not going to try and bait out there like, what do you think about adopting black kids? 0.91
00:17:18.000 Because it's just a fruitless endeavor.
00:17:20.000 The only place that argument goes is, well, I think it's racist.
00:17:24.000 And I say, well, I think it's wonderful.
00:17:27.000 I mean, what else?
00:17:28.000 You think it's racist.
00:17:29.000 You think it's horrible that she adopted children and brought them into a loving home from a horrible You think it's wrong because you see everything through the prism of race.
00:17:48.000 I think it's wonderful because I see it through the prism of love.
00:17:52.000 And that is defined by my Christian faith, which will piss people off because you know it matters to me.
00:17:58.000 Yeah.
00:17:58.000 Well, you've talked about how there is a difference between someone that you can change their mind and someone that you might just use as, like, an example to say, like, okay, well, we just have fundamentally different views of the world, and I guess that that's sort of what changed my mind, is able to sort those different people out.
00:18:14.000 Yeah, with the abortion, you know, when we brought out the fetal chart, that was actually Reg's wonderful idea, because sometimes I'll get lost in the weeds, and he said, you know, bring this out, because if someone says Sure.
00:18:24.000 Yeah.
00:18:24.000 don't have any limitations on abortion, you know, show them at four weeks, at six weeks,
00:18:29.000 eight weeks, all the way up until nine months.
00:18:31.000 And when people just said, well, I don't think there should be any limitations, I go, well,
00:18:33.000 how about right here?
00:18:34.000 And I point to a baby on that chart that's nine months or eight months, and they say,
00:18:37.000 no, no limitations.
00:18:38.000 I just say, okay, well, thank you very much.
00:18:40.000 Sure.
00:18:41.000 Yeah.
00:18:42.000 Some people may think that's cowering away from an argument.
00:18:43.000 I'm sorry.
00:18:44.000 It's not.
00:18:45.000 It's just that person has decided that they don't, they don't care whether it's a life
00:18:50.000 Period.
00:18:50.000 They want to abort.
00:18:52.000 There's no debate at that point as to whether it's terminating a life.
00:18:55.000 Right?
00:18:55.000 When you say, I'm okay with it up to 8 months or 9 months.
00:18:58.000 It's not about viability.
00:18:59.000 It's not about it being a life.
00:19:00.000 It's not about it feeling pain.
00:19:02.000 It's not about it having a heart.
00:19:02.000 It's not about any of those things.
00:19:04.000 It is about a secularist, humanistic religion where you are making sacrifices at the altar of self.
00:19:12.000 And so, that's not a discussion that I want to engage.
00:19:15.000 Uh, that's not a discussion that I'm there to engage.
00:19:17.000 Same thing if we show up today and someone says, well, I don't think she should be nominated because she's racist. 1.00
00:19:22.000 And I said, well, okay.
00:19:24.000 Even with that statement, it's broad enough where I will say, could you, would you be willing to clarify that? 0.72
00:19:29.000 She adopted black children and that's racist. 1.00
00:19:33.000 I will not continue a conversation. 0.98
00:19:34.000 You see everything through the prism of race.
00:19:37.000 I see it through the prism of, of right and wrong and love.
00:19:40.000 And I can't think of anything more beautiful than a privileged, Cis white female uh and likely cis white male when you're dealing with your husband right because two people are adopting here uh in the United States taking a child from a scenario like that 0.88
00:19:56.000 And truly being colorblind, I'm sorry.
00:19:58.000 The fact that there's even a pretzel that people are attempting to twist themselves into to argue that that is problematic, shows how far around the bend many of them have gone.
00:20:10.000 But that's not all liberals.
00:20:11.000 And that's what changed my mind is, is hopefully we find some, you know, we find some reasonable ones who are willing to sit down.
00:20:16.000 And I gotta say, I'm a little nervous with this one because they're just, there really is not much of a leg to stand on for people arguing against ACB.
00:20:23.000 I think they'll probably try and pivot right away to Roe v. Wade.
00:20:26.000 Yeah.
00:20:26.000 And maybe if everyone does that, we'll have to do a separate Roe v. Wade, overturn Roe v. Wade, change my mind.
00:20:32.000 But I'm hoping we can actually talk about ACB.
00:20:35.000 Well, actually, there's a question here from Paige.
00:20:37.000 It says, Stephen, do you think ACB will attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade?
00:20:41.000 How will the Democrats then try to undermine that decision?
00:20:45.000 What do you think?
00:20:46.000 You think it's really on the table, overturning Roe v. Wade?
00:20:49.000 I don't know that it is.
00:20:50.000 I don't believe that it's been with Kavanaugh or with Gorsuch.
00:20:56.000 I don't know.
00:20:56.000 Again, that's kind of the complications that arise when we're doing this while the hearings are going on.
00:21:02.000 But I wouldn't put it past her.
00:21:05.000 I wouldn't put it past her, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
00:21:07.000 I mean, you know who had a real problem with Roe v. Wade?
00:21:10.000 Was RGB.
00:21:11.000 Ruth Bader Ginsburg said that she thought it was very heavy handed and she was afraid did more harm
00:21:15.000 than good because Roe v. Wade is not about banning. If you overturn Roe v. Wade, you don't ban abortion.
00:21:20.000 Roe v. Wade is based on the 14th Amendment and this loose sort of interpretation of privacy rights.
00:21:24.000 And I don't want to, I won't get into it too much because we'll get into it to the,
00:21:27.000 in the change my mind, but I think that of all the justices who have been nominated recently,
00:21:32.000 I do believe that ACB, there's a strong chance that she would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
00:21:41.000 I don't know that it's something that she'll be spearheading, but if it is something that comes to the floor, I think she would vote for it.
00:21:48.000 And I don't think that's a bad thing.
00:21:50.000 Yeah.
00:21:50.000 Well, hey, I know you do have to get going here in a few minutes to get to the Change My Mind, but maybe this might be a good note to end on from Scott here.
00:21:58.000 He says, what do you think is the number one reason why people change their mind politically?
00:22:03.000 Obviously, the goal is to see if we can change somebody's mind, see if they're the type of person who can take that.
00:22:09.000 But what do you think is the number one reason people do it?
00:22:13.000 I would say it comes from two.
00:22:15.000 Can I do that?
00:22:15.000 Can I cheat and say two?
00:22:16.000 Absolutely.
00:22:17.000 I don't think Scott will be mad.
00:22:22.000 Truth and empathy. 0.99
00:22:24.000 Now, I want to be clear because I know sometimes people will say, well, you're not always, sometimes you come across as a dick. 0.99
00:22:29.000 Sure. 0.99
00:22:31.000 Granted.
00:22:32.000 But if you look at all the actual change of minds that have taken place, where people have changed their mind, or we found common ground, it comes through speaking truth.
00:22:41.000 And that comes through preparation.
00:22:42.000 And I don't just mean preparation for these topics, but years and years of preparation.
00:22:46.000 Um, and being empathetic to the point of view, I can think of three examples that sprang to mind right away.
00:22:52.000 One was she came back on the show, um, the lady at, uh, I can't remember the school.
00:22:57.000 It was, uh, I believe in Dallas, uh, who had had an abortion. 0.58
00:23:01.000 Yeah.
00:23:02.000 Who was pro abortion. 0.55
00:23:04.000 And I told her, I said, listen, well, I do.
00:23:06.000 And she, she did believe in God.
00:23:08.000 And so we started with that sort of premise.
00:23:10.000 Otherwise I wouldn't have used this argument.
00:23:11.000 And that's why I do believe you're going to meet your, uh, Your daughter or her son.
00:23:14.000 I can't remember exactly.
00:23:15.000 I do believe you're going to meet your child someday.
00:23:18.000 So, um, I think that's, that's an important thing to keep in mind.
00:23:21.000 And she reached out afterward and she asked to come back on the show and she said that her mind had been changed.
00:23:28.000 And that was because it wasn't just about scoring points.
00:23:30.000 It wasn't about taking a dump on our world. 0.55
00:23:32.000 You know, we had people who came up and were screaming that I was a Nazi and a fascist.
00:23:36.000 And it's fun to make fun of those people, but that's not what we set out to do.
00:23:39.000 A perfect change of mind is where that doesn't happen, and we have a bunch of those kinds of dialogues.
00:23:42.000 Another one was that young lady. 0.96
00:23:44.000 I'm horrible with names, but I never forget her face.
00:23:46.000 It was at UT Austin, where she sat down and she talked about being from a small town and affirmative action.
00:23:51.000 And she said that she didn't believe she would be at UT if not for affirmative action.
00:23:55.000 And I walked her through it.
00:23:55.000 I said, well, hold on a second.
00:23:57.000 You said that you were at the top of your class.
00:23:58.000 She said, yes.
00:23:59.000 I said, you said that you didn't really have much of a social life.
00:24:01.000 You didn't go out partying.
00:24:02.000 And I went through the list of everything that she had told me.
00:24:06.000 And I said, I think that you are supremely qualified and deserve to be here.
00:24:12.000 And it's really sad to me that you don't believe you are here at UT Austin, that you've merited this seat off of anything other than your race.
00:24:22.000 And I want to tell you, that's not true.
00:24:25.000 And she said, oh.
00:24:27.000 And a lot of people reach out to me afterwards and she had changed her mind.
00:24:30.000 There was also a black professor there who changed his mind.
00:24:32.000 So it comes from truth and empathy, but it is hard to speak truth through empathy.
00:24:37.000 If the person is coming in aggressive, looking to score points,
00:24:41.000 that is not you know, this is what that is not what we do with change my mind.
00:24:45.000 But that is what some people do.
00:24:46.000 And that's why you see a variance in the in the types of discussions that take place.
00:24:52.000 So it really does come through truth.
00:24:54.000 That means you have to have truth first and foremost and being empathetic.
00:24:57.000 Now being empathetic doesn't mean that you agree with all actions that are taken from someone.
00:25:02.000 In other words, you can be empathetic to someone who is living a life of sin without necessarily praising or even condoning the sin.
00:25:11.000 You can be empathetic because And this is how Christians, how we all believe, we can be empathetic because we understand that sin is bondage, that sin destroys people.
00:25:18.000 And so when I hear someone talking about abortions and how much it means to her and how she, if she couldn't have an abortion, that she wouldn't have been able to pay for that child, I do have empathy, but it's not because I think that abortion is a brave and beautiful thing.
00:25:29.000 I have empathy because that woman doesn't yet know that she has just changed herself.
00:25:35.000 placed herself in bondage until she frees herself from those chains through truth.
00:25:39.000 So it would be truth and empathy when those two can capably intersect. They can't always,
00:25:46.000 but that's our job as Christians, and that's our job as critical thinkers,
00:25:51.000 as people who are to the right of center. Yeah. Good stuff.
00:25:56.000 Yeah, so we've got the Change Our Mind coming out tomorrow.
00:25:58.000 So you're doing it today, coming out tomorrow, and then another one on Wednesday, then a big Biden town hall stream on Thursday.
00:26:06.000 Big, exciting week.
00:26:06.000 Thank you so much for calling in.
00:26:09.000 Really excited to see how this Change Our Mind goes.
00:26:12.000 Thank you for having me on my show.
00:26:15.000 I'm sorry.
00:26:15.000 All right, cool.
00:26:16.000 See you later, Stephen.
00:26:17.000 And see you later, everybody else.
00:26:19.000 Yeah, thank you so much for joining us at Good Morning Mug Club.
00:26:21.000 We will see you tomorrow with a Change My Mind, and then another one the next day, and then a stream on Thursday.
00:26:27.000 Big week.
00:26:28.000 See you later.