Louder with Crowder - Elon's Generational Flame Out: Is it Over Between Musk and MAGA?

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00:06:29.000 I am biased.

00:06:38.000 I'm going to say that on the outset.

00:06:40.000 A lot of news that's taken place in the last 48 hours and a lot of questions regarding Elon Musk.

00:06:46.000 Obviously the bill, but largely Elon Musk and some of the behavior that we've seen.

00:06:52.000 We usually don't broadcast wide today.

00:06:55.000 It's usually just for Mug Club, Rumble Premium members.

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00:07:01.000 So please do give it any support that you can.

00:07:04.000 I will say this.

00:07:05.000 It's not every day that you pick a fight with the wealthiest man in the history of humankind ever.

00:07:12.000 Arguably the most powerful.

00:07:17.000 But I think it's the right thing to do.

00:07:20.000 I've implied several times on this program that there's an inside lane.

00:07:24.000 There's some information behind the scenes that I know that I can't share with you.

00:07:28.000 And the reason for that is that it's not mine to share.

00:07:31.000 But we may have a whistleblower on next week.

00:07:37.000 He's still nervous.

00:07:40.000 There are several people, but they're nervous.

00:07:42.000 They're scared.

00:07:42.000 A lot of people are because of the Leviathan that they would be facing in Elon Musk.

00:07:49.000 If you would like that person to come forward, that person needs to know that outside of hero worship, there are enough people out there objectively who would like to hear some truth that can be spoken no other way.

00:08:01.000 So please comment below.

00:08:02.000 I actually think that would go a long way.

00:08:05.000 Otherwise, there's information that I can't share.

00:08:06.000 It's not mine to share.

00:08:08.000 As it relates to Elon Musk, I think you'll see a lot of flip-flopping with people.

00:08:14.000 I think that you are going to see a spiral.

00:08:21.000 I don't know how it ends up.

00:08:24.000 But I do think it's important to note that there have not been many people out there warning against this.

00:08:30.000 I know Steve Bannon has.

00:08:33.000 I can't think of any other that come to mind.

00:08:36.000 If I'm forgetting anyone, forgive me.

00:08:38.000 But I do know that we have.

00:08:42.000 And don't take my word for it now.

00:08:45.000 We're going to cover this today.

00:08:47.000 In depth, but take my words over the course of a decade.

00:08:53.000 You know what?

00:08:54.000 I don't know.

00:08:54.000 How do you feel about Elon Musk?

00:08:56.000 I think he's a dick. 0.94

00:08:57.000 There are some disagreements there behind the scenes, quite a bit, where I think that maybe they're going, okay, these people need to have their authority in their departments, and maybe Elon is floundering a little bit, and his focus seems to be right now on pushing some of this AI legislation. 0.99

00:09:12.000 Let's go to bad Elon.

00:09:15.000 There's good and bad.

00:09:17.000 Can we do that again?

00:09:18.000 Hold on.

00:09:19.000 Bring that back up.

00:09:20.000 Do it.

00:09:21.000 Do it.

00:09:22.000 Is that a wild boar?

00:09:25.000 Is that the World of Warcraft?

00:09:26.000 Anyway.

00:09:27.000 Now, the reason why is because, of course, the Paris Accord is horrible for the United States of America, right?

00:09:32.000 You just look at the regulations and what it would cost.

00:09:35.000 It would cost American jobs thousands, right?

00:09:37.000 We could see a $2.5 trillion loss in GDP by 2035.

00:09:42.000 87% of American energy comes from coal, oil, natural gas, right?

00:09:47.000 The boogeyman, as is known in the Paris Climate Accord.

00:09:51.000 Also, by the way, the reason that Elon Musk left the Trump administration last time, because he was adamant about us signing on to it.

00:09:57.000 I'm apprehensive.

00:09:58.000 I'm always apprehensive.

00:09:59.000 Why?

00:10:01.000 The transition is a why.

00:10:02.000 What's your flash of genius moment?

00:10:05.000 He had a pretty good explanation for his, Elon Musk, when he talked about his son on Jordan Peterson's show.

00:10:10.000 But he still makes some pretty questionable decisions.

00:10:11.000 I don't know.

00:10:13.000 I mean, they've already engaged in some censorship on Twitter that was, you have an apples to apples comparison, where Rumble said, no, we will not do that.

00:10:19.000 Twitter said, yes.

00:10:20.000 That's like what Justin Trudeau did in Canada.

00:10:21.000 Let me tell you this.

00:10:22.000 If I spoke out the way that I am right now.

00:10:26.000 And all of you, Mug Club, Rumble Premium, if instead you were subscribing, you were ex-Premium members, our entire livelihood here would have been shut off, gone.

00:10:37.000 And you know what?

00:10:38.000 And I would welcome Elon Musk to come on the show and have a very subdued, a very rational dialogue about this where we can air our disagreements.

00:10:48.000 And hopefully come to some common ground with the American people.

00:10:51.000 I hope that he walks it back.

00:10:53.000 They've been around long enough.

00:10:54.000 Here's one thing about Elon Musk that worries me.

00:10:55.000 Remember, he was on some Trump advisory committees and dropped out in 2017.

00:11:02.000 Remember that?

00:11:02.000 He pulled out.

00:11:05.000 Maybe like a CEO board or something like that?

00:11:07.000 Something like that, and there was something that he did that offended Donald Trump enough where he, I don't know if it was something like that.

00:11:13.000 De-platforming.

00:11:14.000 Rift.

00:11:14.000 And now he's back in.

00:11:16.000 And an important contrast, too, here, by the way.

00:11:18.000 And this is not me patting myself on the back, but Chris and the people at Rumble.

00:11:21.000 There's a reason that we signed a contract with Rumble.

00:11:24.000 There's a reason that we teamed up with Rumble.

00:11:27.000 X, Elon Musk doing a lot of great work.

00:11:29.000 Certainly Doge. 0.98

00:11:30.000 Huge fan of it.

00:11:31.000 But X did back down.

00:11:34.000 They did kneel before Brazil on demands, and they did censor content creators.

00:11:38.000 After saying they wouldn't.

00:11:39.000 They said they wouldn't.

00:11:40.000 After fighting for a little bit, then they did.

00:11:41.000 Rumble never did.

00:11:43.000 Yeah.

00:11:43.000 And X did it quietly.

00:11:44.000 Yes.

00:11:45.000 They went out and said, we will!

00:11:46.000 If this is a free speech platform, all right, let's ban them, let's get rid of them.

00:11:49.000 I am not saying that we need to shut ourselves off from the world.

00:11:52.000 That is not the debate over H-1B visas.

00:11:56.000 Now, this came from Laura Loomer.

00:11:58.000 Elon Musk could have said nothing.

00:12:01.000 But he decided this was a worthy cause for him to speak out.

00:12:05.000 That's, again, what is concerning to me.

00:12:08.000 He said, Don't agree?

00:12:19.000 Then he said, Take a big step back and F yourself in the face.

00:12:23.000 I will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.

00:12:28.000 The issue, lifting the cap on H-1Bs. 0.51

00:12:31.000 Then, what I would say resembles a leftist tactic.

00:12:35.000 Not saying he is.

00:12:37.000 Maybe he doesn't know.

00:12:38.000 But the rhetoric sounds the same.

00:12:40.000 He said the contemptible They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed.

00:12:51.000 And he was talking about, of course, people who were critical of H-1Bs.

00:12:54.000 Largely those coming from India because it's a huge majority of H-1Bs.

00:12:58.000 And this is where I've said before.

00:13:01.000 New phrase for the year.

00:13:02.000 I'm fine with it.

00:13:03.000 I'm fine with it.

00:13:04.000 If you say it's racist...

00:13:10.000 Unless there are people who cannot be found in the United States.

00:13:13.000 Such brilliant innovators, engineers, CEOs, people breaking ground.

00:13:18.000 Okay, fine.

00:13:19.000 That's not how the system is being used.

00:13:21.000 Outside of that, there's nothing I want.

00:13:23.000 How can you overlook Elon's actual history of subsidized failing companies with tax dollars?

00:13:28.000 And now he wants to tell government to be more efficient with spending?

00:13:32.000 You know what?

00:13:32.000 That's a good point.

00:13:33.000 That's a very good point.

00:13:35.000 Failing companies?

00:13:37.000 Tesla wouldn't be Tesla without subsidies and without tax credit.

00:13:40.000 that, but he made it work.

00:13:41.000 Well, he did make it work, Solyndra didn't.

00:13:44.000 It was predicated on subsidies, right?

00:13:47.000 So maybe he did, but the point is to then say, is it the government's job to be providing subsidies?

00:13:51.000 Now, I think there's a difference between a tax break and subsidies, and electric vehicles have received both.

00:13:54.000 I bet you his mind changed when he realized that the government was picking winners He was just in China when all the Daily Wire stuff was going on, visiting his factories and talking about expanding growth in China.

00:14:05.000 And he also had, I can't remember the name of the city, but he also, you know, where they keep the Uyghur camps?

00:14:09.000 He has a Tesla showroom there.

00:14:10.000 So at the very least, have your factories and everything, but don't put a showroom right next to Auschwitz. 0.72

00:14:15.000 The line that we were talking about yesterday.

00:14:17.000 Here is the new Tesla truck and the little Uyghurs. 1.00

00:14:20.000 Yeah, let me get it off me.

00:14:21.000 Get it off me.

00:14:22.000 It is bulletproof.

00:14:23.000 This is from the New York Times where they said that Pentagon is including Musk in discussions about potential war with China, which is a problem.

00:14:30.000 By the way, one of my primary...

00:14:37.000 Yes.

00:14:37.000 I'm not thrilled about that.

00:14:39.000 So this would be an issue.

00:14:40.000 I'd appreciate that he acknowledged that.

00:14:42.000 We've always had those concerns with Elon Musk and his ties with China.

00:14:44.000 He's been very, very China friendly.

00:14:46.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 That makes me a little bit nervous.

00:14:48.000 Because you need to understand that there are many, many people, your tech overlords, your sort of oligarchs, including, by the way, yeah, in some capacities, Elon Musk, who want to mass import.

00:14:57.000 Third world labor from India to price you out of a job. 1.00

00:15:01.000 And they do show into the guise that it's a more developed nation than it is.

00:15:04.000 I think I'm in the minority here.

00:15:06.000 It's like people were saying The Godfather is the best film ever.

00:15:10.000 I think Chinatown was a better movie that year.

00:15:11.000 I think The Godfather's fine.

00:15:12.000 It's like Carol Burnett.

00:15:13.000 I don't find Carol Burnett funny.

00:15:14.000 I'm in this small minority.

00:15:15.000 I don't like Elon Musk.

00:15:17.000 I don't.

00:15:17.000 Subject for today.

00:15:38.000 We're in it now.

00:15:39.000 There's X-Men.

00:15:43.000 account nuked.

00:15:45.000 What does it mean?

00:15:46.000 I mean, I think the most I've made is like $42 in a month.

00:15:49.000 Every $42 counts.

00:15:52.000 The views and comments of Steve Crowder do not reflect the views and comments of Josh Feierstein or not Josh Feierstein.

00:15:56.000 Right.

00:15:58.000 Interfered with my Ashley Sinclair face.

00:16:00.000 Ah!

00:16:00.000 Oh, sorry.

00:16:01.000 Let me see it again.

00:16:02.000 I was channeling Hodgson's. 0.92

00:16:03.000 Is that when she became irrelevant or is that?

00:16:07.000 That became relevant, yes.

00:16:08.000 Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry.

00:16:09.000 Who'd have thought that just one makes you wealthier than you ever could have been without?

00:16:14.000 She gave a few, I think.

00:16:15.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:19.000 It's still the same show.

00:16:21.000 And welcome.

00:16:23.000 Today is usually a love letter to Rumble Premium Mug Club where we take chats or sometimes we do what we miss.

00:16:28.000 It's a grab bag, but we are going wide today because...

00:16:33.000 Yeah.

00:16:36.000 Let's get right into it.

00:16:37.000 Captain Morgan, CEO, thank you for being here.

00:16:39.000 Yeah.

00:16:40.000 Hope you've been storing up for winter.

00:16:42.000 Oh, yes.

00:16:43.000 He's the one in charge of the coffers over here.

00:16:45.000 And then Thursday, July 10th, at Governor's Comedy Club in Long Island, New York.

00:16:50.000 Oh, I used to go there.

00:16:51.000 That's a fun place.

00:16:52.000 Josh, Jfirestein.com for all of his dates, and especially, hey guys, this summer, go So show Josh some love.

00:17:13.000 How are you, sir?

00:17:14.000 Good, good.

00:17:14.000 You know, I actually hear liberal comics friends of mine posting about how ticket sales are down.

00:17:19.000 Right.

00:17:20.000 And, uh, they're not for everyone.

00:17:22.000 Not for everyone.

00:17:23.000 Just for the- People are coming out.

00:17:24.000 They're like, "Oh, comedy clubs are letting people with conservative ideas come through.

00:17:27.000 Oh, that's great!" It's like, maybe people are just tired of alt-comics who are always conflicted on mescaline seeking out 17-year-old girls while bitching about rape culture.

00:17:36.000 But that's just an opinion.

00:17:36.000 My cat's non-binary, trans, neurodivergent.

00:17:39.000 Nobody cares.

00:17:40.000 Neurodivergent.

00:17:41.000 All right.

00:17:43.000 Cat-tism.

00:17:44.000 Here's why we're here today.

00:17:45.000 Um, like I said.

00:17:46.000 There may be a whistleblower next week.

00:17:49.000 I don't know.

00:17:49.000 It's not my whistle to blow.

00:17:51.000 But there's a lot behind this.

00:17:55.000 So we're just going to present really the news that has taken place over the last couple of days.

00:18:00.000 And I know you have some questions about the Big Beautiful Bill.

00:18:03.000 First, well, no, you have those questions. 0.94

00:18:06.000 But first, I think what is most important, especially since you have the world's wealthiest man sort of alluding to the fact that your president may be a pedophile. 0.96

00:18:14.000 Right. 0.96

00:18:15.000 Which, of course, is...

00:18:18.000 Let's get to Elon Musk and how this has all been handled and who is lining up on which sides of this issue and maybe why.

00:18:27.000 So, President Trump, we covered this live on Nobel Premium, finally responded yesterday to Elon Musk before a lot of the other news broke.

00:18:37.000 And, you know, Elon's upset because we took the EV mandate, which was a lot of money for electric vehicles.

00:18:45.000 And, you know, they're having a hard time, the electric vehicles.

00:18:47.000 And they want us to pay billions of dollars in subsidy.

00:18:52.000 And, you know, Elon knew this from the beginning.

00:18:56.000 He knew it for a long time ago.

00:18:57.000 That's been, I would say, J.D., that hasn't changed.

00:19:02.000 That's been right from the beginning.

00:19:03.000 I think, Mr. Secretary, that hasn't changed at all, right from the beginning.

00:19:07.000 But I know that it disturbed him.

00:19:09.000 He wanted, and rightfully, you know, he recommended somebody from...

00:19:17.000 I'm sure he respected him, but to run NASA, and I didn't think it was appropriate.

00:19:22.000 And he happened to be a Democrat, like totally Democrat.

00:19:27.000 And I say, you know, look, we won.

00:19:29.000 We get certain privileges, and one of the privileges, we don't have to appoint a Democrat.

00:19:34.000 NASA is very important.

00:19:35.000 We have great people.

00:19:36.000 General Cain is going to be picking somebody with our we'll be checking him out and seeing, but he wanted that person, a certain person, and we said no.

00:19:47.000 And, you know, I can understand why he's upset.

00:19:50.000 Remember, he was here for a long time.

00:19:53.000 You saw a He wants to be who he is, so you could make that statement too, I guess.

00:20:13.000 Elon and I had a great relationship.

00:20:18.000 Had.

00:20:19.000 So, what proceeded after that would be seen as, I would say contextually now, a meltdown of epic proportions.

00:20:28.000 And what I mean by that is, since the meltdown, what you experienced yesterday with Elon Musk, he's then tried to play it off as though it's a joke.

00:20:35.000 You don't get to unring the bell of the implication that someone is a child sex offender, in my opinion.

00:20:42.000 And so, in my opinion, the talking heads who go, hey, cut it out, you two. 1.00

00:20:50.000 That's the equivalent to a teacher saying that to you and a bully who's been beating your ass, right? 1.00

00:20:55.000 The zero tolerance policy. 1.00

00:20:56.000 Hey, cut it out.

00:20:57.000 You're like, well, hold on a second.

00:20:58.000 I'm defending myself.

00:21:00.000 There isn't inequivocation, even if you, and I would argue, incorrectly think that the $1.7 trillion in cuts in this big bill are not enough.

00:21:11.000 Does that excuse implying that someone is a pedophile?

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:15.000 If it's not true, which I don't believe it is.

00:21:18.000 So, Elon Musk is now trying to walk it back, and I'll get to the quotes from him regarding Epstein and all this, saying it's a joke, trying to play it off.

00:21:28.000 I shouldn't say saying, playing it off as though this was all meant in good fun.

00:21:32.000 Doesn't seem like President Trump, and I think because there's more to this than what you've seen, doesn't seem like President Trump is very interested.

00:21:40.000 And letting bygones be bygones on this one.

00:21:42.000 Joining us now, someone who just got off the phone with the president.

00:21:46.000 CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash joins us now by phone.

00:21:50.000 Dana, what did he tell you?

00:21:52.000 Good morning, John.

00:21:53.000 Well, he said that he's, quote, well, here's exactly what he said, quote, I'm not even thinking about Elon.

00:22:00.000 He's got a problem.

00:22:01.000 The poor guy's got a problem.

00:22:03.000 He said he won't be speaking to him for a while, but he said he wishes.

00:22:09.000 Elon Musk well.

00:22:11.000 Yeah, and I understand that.

00:22:14.000 Look, it is important.

00:22:16.000 Part of our job with having a platform is, yeah, to be honest with you, to be authentic, right?

00:22:22.000 Our job is to entertain you and hopefully inform you.

00:22:24.000 We make all of our references available.

00:22:26.000 We don't always do our job fantastically, and that's why we have an admonish button.

00:22:31.000 In this case, don't you...

00:22:41.000 Regardless of fiscal policy, aren't there certain lines that you don't cross with someone who you claim is a friend?

00:22:48.000 I'm asking this.

00:22:49.000 Would you still be friends? 0.96

00:22:50.000 Would you want to be friends with someone who implied that you were a child rapist? 0.71

00:22:54.000 Is that one who's just joshing you?

00:22:57.000 How about if they told the whole world?

00:22:59.000 Especially somebody who's been in that position that might, people think, knows something we don't.

00:23:04.000 Right.

00:23:05.000 Right.

00:23:06.000 And it's all opaque and it's all veiled.

00:23:08.000 Genuine question.

00:23:09.000 Comment below.

00:23:10.000 And is that indicative of someone's character?

00:23:15.000 Part of our job is to make sure that wolves don't get through the gates.

00:23:20.000 That's why I've been sounding the alarm for a very long time.

00:23:23.000 I've only done so with what should be publicly available information because it wouldn't be right for me to reveal private information.

00:23:31.000 That exists too.

00:23:33.000 So we have the receipts for what you can and should know.

00:23:36.000 And I'll admit, you kind of have to take my word for it.

00:23:40.000 We'll get into that more next week.

00:23:42.000 And I get that it's painful because a lot of people wanted to see this heal.

00:23:47.000 People wanted to see this relationship continue.

00:23:49.000 We thought that this, or I should say a lot of people, were implying that this was going to be the future of MAGA, of the conservative movement.

00:23:56.000 And I also understand why Elon would be upset at this point.

00:24:00.000 He overplayed his hand.

00:24:01.000 He crossed some lines.

00:24:03.000 60 Minutes, by the way, caught up with Elon Musk early this morning where you can see how upset he is in this exclusive interview.

00:24:10.000 Donald Trump and Mike Johnson said that you're just flat out wrong about the big, beautiful bill.

00:24:15.000 And I wonder what you think about that.

00:24:17.000 Yeah.

00:24:19.000 You know, those guys are heroes of mine, so it's really tough.

00:24:22.000 They asked you to save the government some money, didn't they?

00:24:26.000 Yes.

00:24:27.000 And to see them passing this reconciliation bill and not taking your advice.

00:24:32.000 It's difficult.

00:24:33.000 Did you think your ex-post would produce a positive outcome?

00:24:39.000 Certainly hoping they would.

00:24:40.000 So what can be done to fix your relationship now?

00:24:43.000 No, I wish they would come and visit.

00:24:46.000 Do you wish you could take back all the things you said yesterday?

00:24:49.000 Yes.

00:24:53.000 I appreciate the sincerity there.

00:24:55.000 I do too.

00:24:55.000 Yeah, it looks like he's really been touched.

00:24:57.000 Yeah, but here's what he would have to take back.

00:25:00.000 For those of you who haven't been following, I would argue this is crossing the Rubicon.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.000 When he posted, time to drop the really big bum that real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. 0.53

00:25:14.000 That is the real reason why they have not been made public.

00:25:17.000 Have a nice day, DJT.

00:25:20.000 He went on to say, mark this post for the future.

00:25:24.000 The truth will come out.

00:25:26.000 Okay.

00:25:27.000 It's also a smart play.

00:25:29.000 It's a smart play because you have to understand that Elon Musk and Doge have had access to government files, confidential information that no one else really would, right?

00:25:38.000 Which is also why it's a worry considering that Tesla's the only company that's been permitted to set up shop in China the way that it has.

00:25:43.000 He's got information here in this government that no one else has, and I'm sure China would like to have that information.

00:25:48.000 It comes down to how loyal do you believe Elon Musk is?

00:25:53.000 How earnest do you believe he is?

00:25:55.000 Do you believe that he did this for the good of the country?

00:25:59.000 Supporting Donald Trump only after the assassination attempt, after trying to push Ron Asantis?

00:26:04.000 Or do you believe that like he tweeted out, posted, hey, you wouldn't have won without me.

00:26:09.000 It's because he wants someone to owe him a favor.

00:26:11.000 And then look at his business practices.

00:26:13.000 Here's why these allegations make no sense.

00:26:15.000 But I also understand some people will believe them if for national security reason that Elon Musk would know the Epstein files can't be released.

00:26:22.000 And you know that I absolutely believe they must be released.

00:26:26.000 So, couple of points.

00:26:30.000 That would mean that Elon let his son around someone he believed was a pedophile.

00:26:35.000 Okay?

00:26:38.000 That's not good.

00:26:39.000 Irresponsible, to say the least.

00:26:41.000 Yeah.

00:26:41.000 That would mean that the people who have this information on Donald Trump and Epstein, who have a vested interest, who have been in charge of, at least for the last four years, intelligence agencies, didn't release it at any time during the last two presidential cycles.

00:26:55.000 I find it hard to imagine in a world Or any kind of a world where Democrats would have this information and not use it.

00:27:03.000 Absolutely.

00:27:04.000 I think that's one of the most damning pieces of this is that you know that with everything they were trying to do to keep him out of office, especially this last cycle, it would have come out.

00:27:11.000 Right.

00:27:11.000 I mean, they trumped up fraud charges in New York.

00:27:13.000 Yeah.

00:27:14.000 Rather than just show the real files.

00:27:16.000 Yes.

00:27:16.000 I'm not buying it.

00:27:18.000 And here's the thing.

00:27:18.000 Elon Musk would have joined this administration knowing all of this.

00:27:21.000 So think about that.

00:27:22.000 If he knew all of this and he had all of this and he was still pushing for his request, right?

00:27:28.000 To be enacted, this is by definition blackmail or extortion.

00:27:35.000 That, to me, is a problem.

00:27:38.000 Also, I will tell you this.

00:27:39.000 I guarantee you Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.

00:27:42.000 I guarantee you because he's the person who reported Epstein.

00:27:46.000 And by the way, it was marked that he was the only one who complied with authorities on Epstein.

00:27:51.000 Sure, you can point to Mar-a-Lago and Epstein being there.

00:27:54.000 Have you guys ever been there?

00:27:57.000 It's basically an event center.

00:27:58.000 When Donald Trump realized who Epstein was, he flagged it, and he helped the authorities, and he's the only one that we know of who did that.

00:28:07.000 Here's more proof.

00:28:09.000 President Trump calling out Epstein very specifically, in no uncertain terms, in 2015.

00:28:16.000 You raised the question of Jeffrey Epstein in your remarks in the Q&A with Sean.

00:28:20.000 Well, I think he's got a problem.

00:28:21.000 I don't think the problem will be.

00:28:22.000 I don't know, but that island was really a cesspool.

00:28:25.000 There's no question about it.

00:28:26.000 Just ask Prince Andrew.

00:28:28.000 He'll tell you about it.

00:28:29.000 The island was an absolute cesspool.

00:28:31.000 That's 2015.

00:28:33.000 Wow.

00:28:34.000 For reference, nobody nationally was talking about Prince Andrew or the island at all.

00:28:40.000 Just to be clear, like, it's easy for you to misremember and go, oh yeah, no, not in 2015.

00:28:44.000 When was the island made public?

00:28:47.000 It was much later.

00:28:48.000 It was much later.

00:28:49.000 The Epstein, I'm trying to think when he was finally arrested, would it have been 2020?

00:28:55.000 Around, yeah, 2020.

00:28:56.000 Somewhere in there.

00:28:57.000 Yeah, somewhere in there.

00:28:58.000 He had issues with Florida, but it wasn't a national issue.

00:29:00.000 Gotcha, gotcha.

00:29:00.000 And before people say, no, President Trump only connected to one Epstein plane that went to Florida.

00:29:06.000 It wasn't the Lolita Express plane.

00:29:08.000 He never spent any time on the island.

00:29:10.000 As far as, hey.

00:29:12.000 Maybe that's in the file, but it would be weird considering that Bradley Edwards, who was an attorney for the Epstein victims, confirmed in 2009, like I told you, President Trump was the only, only notable figure to immediately and fully comply with subpoenas on Epstein.

00:29:30.000 The only thing that I can say about President Trump is...

00:29:53.000 let's just talk.

00:29:54.000 I'll give you as much time as you want.

00:29:56.000 I'll tell you what you need to know.

00:29:57.000 And was very helpful in the information that he gave.

00:30:00.000 and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information that checked out and that helped us, and that we didn't have to take a deposition of him.

00:30:13.000 That was in 2009?

00:30:14.000 That was in 2009.

00:30:15.000 I want to be clear.

00:30:16.000 As a matter of fact, it could be argued that if not for Donald Trump, Epstein would never have been caught at all.

00:30:22.000 Think about that.

00:30:24.000 And so the left plays this game.

00:30:25.000 Look, connection to Epstein.

00:30:28.000 reported him.

00:30:29.000 He may never...

00:30:39.000 Guarantee you he's in the files.

00:30:41.000 For that reason, is there another one?

00:30:43.000 I doubt it.

00:30:46.000 I think it's the implication, too.

00:30:47.000 It's not just the fact that we know that he would be in those files.

00:30:50.000 It's implying that Donald Trump is not only in those files, but whatever is in it is so damning that he will not let it get out.

00:30:57.000 Right.

00:30:58.000 That, and this is one of those things, you don't come back from a comment like that.

00:31:02.000 You may walk off into the sunset and do your own thing, but you certainly never get to come back into the fold ever, ever, ever again after a comment like that.

00:31:10.000 I don't care how sorry, how much ketamine, how much jolt cola you had in your system at the time, you don't come back from that.

00:31:16.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 I don't know if they still make job.

00:31:18.000 I don't think they do, but I was trying to go for a...

00:31:26.000 No, no, no.

00:31:28.000 If you know that you were not a pedophile sex offender and someone told the world that you were, would you ever allow them back into the fold?

00:31:39.000 People often do this, right?

00:31:40.000 Like Trevor Bauer.

00:31:41.000 Where there's smoke, there's fire.

00:31:42.000 It's the opposite of that.

00:31:43.000 That's what people are hoping you do.

00:31:45.000 That's what leftists do.

00:31:47.000 Hashtag me too.

00:31:48.000 That's what leftists do.

00:31:50.000 30 times a felon, right, with Donald Trump.

00:31:53.000 That's what they do.

00:31:53.000 They hope that the totality of it tricks you into not doing your research.

00:31:57.000 But the real important question here, this is all publicly available information.

00:32:00.000 That's what we're talking about.

00:32:02.000 Has Elon, at least these last 48 hours, I would argue he has not in many capacities, though I support the work Doge has done, I'd support it if anyone had done it.

00:32:11.000 Last couple days has he been acting in the best interests of America, where we're at a pretty fragile time when you look at what's happening with Russia and you understand what China wants to do.

00:32:21.000 It's not a great time to fracture the winning team right now, which is you.

00:32:29.000 I would make the case that he's thrown America pretty clearly under the bus.

00:32:35.000 I don't know if you saw this, but in a move that I guarantee you China loved, he went after Trump's tariffs.

00:32:41.000 Saying that Trump's tariffs will cause a recession in the second half of this year.

00:32:45.000 Even the leftist CBO said it would reduce the deficit by, I believe it was $2.8 trillion, I believe.

00:32:51.000 $2.8 trillion.

00:32:53.000 We covered that yesterday.

00:32:54.000 And they really, really don't want to tell you that.

00:32:56.000 So Elon's against the tariffs, which, by the way, would that affect big plant in China?

00:33:04.000 I don't know.

00:33:04.000 Maybe.

00:33:05.000 Big Tesla plant.

00:33:06.000 Oops.

00:33:06.000 Batteries.

00:33:07.000 Would that affect the only American company that's allowed to set up shop in China?

00:33:11.000 Because you can't do business there unless you're...

00:33:14.000 Yeah, with the Communist Chinese Party?

00:33:15.000 I don't know.

00:33:16.000 That's not proof that he's acting in those selfish interests.

00:33:24.000 But it kind of is.

00:33:25.000 It's a concern we've had for a long time.

00:33:27.000 Matter of fact, we actually have a foreign correspondent in Hong Kong who joins us now with an exclusive report.

00:33:32.000 Donald Trump don't trust Yenong.

00:33:34.000 Yenong is at home.

00:33:36.000 He's two for two.

00:33:37.000 He's everywhere.

00:33:38.000 He's two for two.

00:33:42.000 But hey, people were saying Donald Trump's rhino in this bill, right, and Elon Musk is for America.

00:33:47.000 Okay, so you guys want higher taxes?

00:33:49.000 That's now a conservative principle?

00:33:51.000 Because he retweeted a post yesterday calling for the tax cuts to be removed from the bill.

00:33:56.000 That, by the way, affects everybody.

00:33:58.000 It's extending tax cuts that you enjoy.

00:34:01.000 So is that more conservative than finding a way to...

00:34:11.000 And then he also agreed with Ian Miles Chong yesterday that President Trump should be impeached.

00:34:17.000 Let me ask you, if you don't like the bill, you voted for Donald Trump.

00:34:22.000 Do you want him to be impeached?

00:34:24.000 Because this is a man with the power, the means, and the motivation to attempt it.

00:34:29.000 You have to ask yourself, in the real world, Do you want Donald Trump to be impeached?

00:34:36.000 He's an imperfect man.

00:34:38.000 I do not want him to be impeached.

00:34:40.000 Elon Musk does.

00:34:45.000 Where do you line up?

00:34:45.000 Does that make it clear?

00:34:47.000 By the way, this isn't the whim of the public.

00:34:50.000 You can't just be like, yeah, it's time to impeach.

00:34:51.000 You actually have to have some grounds for impeachment.

00:34:53.000 Yeah, I know.

00:34:55.000 I'm asking people if that's actually what they want.

00:34:56.000 If you're supporting Elon, that's what you're supporting right now.

00:35:00.000 Impeaching Donald Trump.

00:35:01.000 He hasn't walked it back.

00:35:02.000 No.

00:35:03.000 How about no?

00:35:04.000 They got the will of the people, not just the will of some guy in Malaysia.

00:35:07.000 Right.

00:35:09.000 And here's the thing.

00:35:11.000 Elon, people will say Donald Trump has this history, and you'll see the left right now, right?

00:35:14.000 I've seen a bunch of articles.

00:35:15.000 Watch conservatives have whiplash going from hero worship to vilification.

00:35:20.000 Not me.

00:35:21.000 My neck feels fine.

00:35:23.000 And lost a lot of potential business ventures in speaking about this for a long period of time behind the scenes.

00:35:32.000 And that's why a lot of people are afraid to speak out.

00:35:35.000 I won't tell you because that's not my place to say it.

00:35:37.000 But a lot of people are out there.

00:35:39.000 Even some people who would tell you the opposite.

00:35:43.000 Elon has a history, if you think Donald Trump does, of sort of having these divorces where he loves you until he dislikes you.

00:35:50.000 It's pretty clear as to why that is.

00:35:53.000 And I think he can be a little bit erratic, but disloyalty.

00:35:57.000 If he views an action as stabbing him in the back.

00:36:02.000 Elon Musk has the same history of tantrums and throwing people under the bus and destroying relationships, but it isn't tied to disloyalty.

00:36:11.000 It's tied to not getting his way.

00:36:14.000 I think there's an important difference.

00:36:17.000 Assuming that they both do it to the same degree, which I disagree with, but let's assume that doing so because you were betrayed by a friend is different from betraying a friend because they didn't do what you told them.

00:36:31.000 Let's go to H-1Bs. 1.00

00:36:33.000 Elon threw a fit when he was challenged over his view of H-1Bs where he believes that they should be limitless because there aren't enough good Americans to do the skilled labor here.

00:36:46.000 And when many of you said, hey, hold on a second, that's not what we voted for, he posted, the reason I'm in America, along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla, and hundreds of other companies that made America strong, It's because of H-1B. 1.00

00:37:02.000 Take a big step back and fuck yourself in the face. 1.00

00:37:07.000 I will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. 1.00

00:37:11.000 That's not a disagreement.

00:37:13.000 This is why I gave 200-plus million dollars. 1.00

00:37:18.000 As many Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis as I can possibly allow in to replace you and fuck you. 1.00

00:37:28.000 If you don't think that's putting America first, do you guys see the difference? 1.00

00:37:35.000 He's also done some stories that you may not.

00:37:37.000 Remember the cave diver?

00:37:39.000 There was a film about this where there were these kids who were stuck in a mountain.

00:37:43.000 It got flooded.

00:37:45.000 And I think it was around 2018.

00:37:47.000 And I can't remember the name of the film.

00:37:48.000 But rescuers, at this point in time, turned down a submarine that Musk offered to rescue these boys.

00:37:56.000 In Thailand.

00:37:57.000 They were rescued by these divers.

00:37:59.000 And after his offer was turned down, he lashed out.

00:38:03.000 Again, calling one of the divers who saved the lives of these boys a pedo. 0.99

00:38:09.000 A pedophile. 1.00

00:38:10.000 A pedo guy. 0.99

00:38:14.000 And I remember them saying, like, yeah, that was just, it wasn't something that we could use.

00:38:17.000 He just wanted to do this to get some clout.

00:38:19.000 He wanted to inject himself and get some limelight.

00:38:24.000 But we had a plan.

00:38:25.000 We stuck with it, and it worked.

00:38:26.000 There's a fascinating film on it.

00:38:27.000 I can't remember what it's called.

00:38:28.000 You guys can comment and let me know.

00:38:30.000 So we look at this, and it's important.

00:38:34.000 If both sides have valid points, okay, got it.

00:38:36.000 And we can talk about the bill.

00:38:38.000 This is not about the bill.

00:38:40.000 That's why I've repeated this week $180 billion, for which there are only 30% of receipts.

00:38:46.000 Doge.

00:38:47.000 Total proposed cuts versus $1.7 trillion in cuts in this bill.

00:38:50.000 You may say it's not enough, but it's more than Doge.

00:38:54.000 He's not mad about that.

00:38:56.000 He's now made it clear.

00:38:58.000 He's mad about the taxes.

00:39:01.000 He's mad about your taxes not going up.

00:39:03.000 He's mad about the tariffs.

00:39:05.000 He doesn't think China should have to pay them. 0.99

00:39:09.000 And he justifies it by saying that Donald Trump is a pedophile. 0.99

00:39:14.000 The wolf was chased out. 0.99

00:39:19.000 We don't need to continue this riff, to be clear.

00:39:23.000 If Elon stays out, don't let him back in.

00:39:27.000 I want to make it really clear.

00:39:30.000 I did not elect Elon Musk.

00:39:34.000 Donald Trump did fine.

00:39:36.000 He will do fine without him.

00:39:38.000 This is another point, too, because a lot of people don't realize.

00:39:41.000 There are people out there, like, for example, Chris Pavlovsky of Rumble, who, by the way, was a Canadian and has always been incredibly supportive of Donald Trump.

00:39:48.000 By the way, has also stood up to the governments that Elon acquiesced to.

00:39:51.000 Brazil.

00:39:52.000 China.

00:39:54.000 UK.

00:39:55.000 Rumble said no.

00:39:56.000 That's why it's not available in countries where in some cases X is.

00:40:01.000 And Chris won't tell you that.

00:40:03.000 But he forewent a lot of financial gain to make those decisions.

00:40:09.000 And he was supporting Donald Trump even when people thought he was down and out.

00:40:13.000 Okay?

00:40:14.000 You may not remember this.

00:40:15.000 Elon Musk purchased Twitter.

00:40:19.000 Or, now it's X. Elon Musk endorsed DeSantis in May 2023, to be clear.

00:40:28.000 And he did a, after he purchased X, I remember him doing a hangout with DeSantis.

00:40:33.000 So, what changed?

00:40:34.000 There was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump, where we all knew he was going to win.

00:40:42.000 As close as you can know, right, with a national election, there's always some risk.

00:40:47.000 After that, He stepped in.

00:40:50.000 But before that, he wanted no tariffs on China, and he still wants no tariffs on China.

00:40:55.000 Before that, he didn't care about your taxes going up, and he still doesn't care about your taxes going up.

00:41:01.000 Before that, he didn't really care about putting America first and H-1Bs and as many immigrants who can possibly come in with 16 families stuck in a one bedroom to take your job at 60% of the payings. 1.00

00:41:15.000 And he still...

00:41:21.000 He was never a free speech guy, and he is still not a free speech guy.

00:41:27.000 He said that the man you elected was a pedophile, and he still hasn't walked it back.

00:41:35.000 Don't let that wolf back in the gates.

00:41:41.000 I think the most valuable thing, and we're going to go, if you're not a member right now, This is a scary time for everyone here, just so you know.

00:41:48.000 Like, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lawsuit on my desk before I walk out of this studio.

00:41:54.000 Elon Musk can be very litigious.

00:41:56.000 So can his enterprises.

00:41:59.000 Consider supporting.

00:42:00.000 We're able to speak on this.

00:42:01.000 Whether you agree or not, at least be honest with you because of your support.

00:42:05.000 You can join Rumble Premium.

00:42:07.000 $99 a year.

00:42:09.000 You get everything ad-free.

00:42:09.000 It's the best deal going right now in multimedia content.

00:42:12.000 Or let us do our best to earn it.

00:42:15.000 going forward, that's all I ask.

00:42:17.000 With, I think you had a point, Jalev, I've kind of taken the floor here this entire time before we go.

00:42:26.000 For Elon Musk, I mean, I just...

00:42:35.000 At all.

00:42:36.000 Right.

00:42:36.000 He never made a point like Rand Paul made.

00:42:39.000 Excuse me.

00:42:40.000 He never...

00:42:44.000 And for too long, people have hero worshipped on both sides, honestly.

00:42:48.000 There's a lot of people right now on X that are just absolutely in the camp for Elon Musk and saying, Musk can do no wrong and just give him time and it's okay.

00:42:54.000 These guys just need to sort it out.

00:42:56.000 I'm sorry.

00:42:56.000 They don't need to sort it out.

00:42:57.000 They just need to go their separate ways.

00:42:59.000 I'm with you.

00:42:59.000 I don't want Elon Musk back in the fold because I never thought he really was.

00:43:02.000 I really appreciated the help that he gave.

00:43:04.000 Yeah.

00:43:04.000 It was fantastic.

00:43:05.000 I love that X went to his hands instead of Dorsey's hands.

00:43:08.000 Well, now they're buddies.

00:43:09.000 Problems.

00:43:09.000 Right.

00:43:10.000 Now they're buddies.

00:43:10.000 They're buddies.

00:43:11.000 Him and Dorsey.

00:43:11.000 I think I know why.

00:43:12.000 Yeah.

00:43:13.000 Some of that inside baseball that we've been talking about a little cryptically.

00:43:16.000 But also Donald Trump, calling him out when he's wrong.

00:43:18.000 It's fine.

00:43:19.000 But you do it in a productive way.

00:43:20.000 This was not a productive way.

00:43:22.000 Asking for him to be impeached is not a productive way.

00:43:24.000 Call him a pedophile is not a productive way.

00:43:27.000 I'm sorry.

00:43:27.000 You just don't get to do this.

00:43:29.000 I think the most important lesson to hear, at least I would say illuminating.

00:43:33.000 Look, do I think that Donald Trump can be bombastic?

00:43:38.000 Yeah, fine. 0.59

00:43:40.000 But the left was saying, like we talked about yesterday, Bernie Sanders had a tour about the oligarchs, which got screwed yesterday.

00:43:48.000 They were saying, so now you basically have a president who is bought and sold and will do the bidding of Elon Musk.

00:43:55.000 Elon Musk tweeted out, you know, I put in 200-something million dollars or X'd out, whatever.

00:44:00.000 And Donald Trump won, I think he said, 51 to 49. Donald Trump can't win without me.

00:44:06.000 Donald Trump was going to win without him.

00:44:08.000 Yeah.

00:44:09.000 To be clear.

00:44:10.000 But, it's important to note that to have a president who has the world's richest man, who has given more to his campaign or PACs than anyone else, who has a vested interest financially, In certain facets.

00:44:32.000 Who makes requests.

00:44:36.000 And to say no.

00:44:41.000 That's pretty important.

00:44:42.000 That does tell us that, like him or hate him, Donald Trump clearly was not bought by Elon Musk.

00:44:52.000 And that's why when I look at Donald Trump and he makes mistakes, for example, the bump stock issue.

00:44:56.000 Guess what?

00:44:57.000 I think he thought it was a good idea.

00:44:59.000 There's no lobbyist who told him to.

00:45:02.000 I believe he was wrong.

00:45:04.000 But you actually, yeah, you couldn't state more definitively about any president ever that we have more proof that Donald Trump is unbuyable than anyone else.

00:45:24.000 There might have been someone who was less for sale.

00:45:29.000 But you couldn't prove it to the degree that you can right now.

00:45:33.000 You don't piss off the world's richest man who also has had access to your government in a way that nobody else does who could try and use it against you.

00:45:45.000 You don't do that unless you think it's right.

00:45:49.000 So no one's perfect.

00:45:50.000 And I have plenty of disagreements.

00:45:52.000 But on this one, I've been saying it for decades.

00:45:58.000 I think the earliest there was 2016.

00:46:01.000 And I'll say it again before we go to Rumble Premium and take your chats on what we missed.

00:46:05.000 I don't like Elon Musk.

00:46:07.000 I don't trust Elon Musk.

00:46:10.000 And with good reason.

00:46:11.000 And I would encourage you to take into account the totality of research.

00:46:17.000 And it really comes down to one simple question.

00:46:22.000 Do you want Donald Trump to be impeached?

00:46:26.000 Do you believe that our country is better off if that happens tomorrow?

00:46:30.000 We often throw this sort of hypothetical out there like, hey, if you were king for a day, what would you do on abortion?

00:46:37.000 What would you do on drug?

00:46:38.000 What would you do on taxes?

00:46:40.000 Hey, ask yourself this and it should tell you where you line up.

00:46:43.000 If you were king for a day, king of the world, would you make sure that Donald Trump is impeached?

00:46:53.000 Because it's a whole lot less of a hypothetical.

00:46:55.000 In this case.

00:46:57.000 When it's the wealthiest man in history ever.

00:47:02.000 And he has the entire media eager to use his words to tear down this administration and make the impeachment of Donald Trump a reality.

00:47:11.000 So, you want Donald Trump impeached?

00:47:14.000 If not, I'd think twice about supporting the wolf who's been at the gates.

00:47:19.000 Keep him out.

00:47:19.000 Now let's gate it.

Louder with Crowder - June 06, 2025

Elon's Generational Flame Out: Is it Over Between Musk and MAGA?

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