00:05:39Claim one there is overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk.
00:05:45That's the position that Andrew is holding.
00:05:48By the way, they've agreed to these terms.
00:05:49And the claim from Candace is there is overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson did not kill Charlie Kirk and is being set up as a patsy.
00:05:58Now, full disclosure, you know where I line up, but I do want to get to the truth because I don't believe that we have all of the information regarding Tyler Robinson.
00:06:06I certainly don't believe that we have the full story as it relates to Charlie Kirk.0.73
00:06:10That doesn't mean that Mormon communists were training a gay guy.
00:06:12So, before we go on, we actually have our very own live fact checker.
00:06:17You know, Andrew was allowed to bring, I believe, plus two, plus three.
00:07:18As we do every show, but today it's pretty important.
00:07:21Yeah, we're going to give you our predictions, some of the claims, some of the, I guess we should say, where the goals have been set, and what we hope to see after this word from not sponsors, just us for fun.
00:07:35We offered Candace Owens, I offered her $300,000 to do a debate.0.50
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00:11:17And if Candace makes a case, if she makes an airtight case here that Tyler Robinson is in fact innocent, then I don't want an innocent man to go to jail.
00:11:47She reduced it, but said that him crowdfunding is pathetic.0.79
00:11:49He's crowdfunding to make it back because he is putting up the money.0.53
00:11:52And just so you know, Andrew does okay, but that's a lot of money.
00:11:54I think that's a very good thing to recoup losses from crowdfunding as opposed to a nonprofit, be it PragerU, Forward Publishing, TPUSA, or some giant investor who's unknown.
00:12:06You guys fund this if you want to see more debates.
00:14:07A new ruler who the king would have never approved of.
00:14:10Shutting Point USA for Erica Kirk, and what I think is fair to refer to as their federal accomplices.
00:14:19Let me ask you, does that seem like a claim that Erica Kirk, not that she walked up and shot him with a lemon squeezer like William McKinley, but was she involved in the killing of Charlie Kirk?
00:14:33Needs to be dragged into a police precinct?
00:15:14Flat out, Candace Owens, that Tala Robinson is innocent.
00:15:19Laying the brain, you can probably get that to me.
00:15:21There were a few different ones, but there's one quote that's really pretty clear.
00:15:24Not just Patsy, but that he is, what's it?
00:15:27Today's episode has positively explosives, might even free a young man who's being wrongfully framed for the murder of Charlie Kirk, not the Fed slop that you've been sold.
00:15:57Well, I was like, come on, you're saying it.
00:15:59Well, like we said, the prompts are, and this is the debate today there is more evidence that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.
00:16:05There is more evidence that he is a patsy and there is a separate conspiracy involving other people who planned, carried out, executed the murder of Charlie Kirk.
00:16:33They've argued perhaps tainting the jury pool.
00:16:36None of the other theories have been presented.
00:16:38So I do think that Candace, I'll go through the entire timeline, by the way, because people have said, hey, do you think that Candace believes what she is saying?
00:18:3360% placed the aircraft in her claims on an entirely different continent.
00:18:39Even Alex Jones, InfoWars, they've been all on this, said, okay, this obviously doesn't work.
00:18:44There were over 60% of these claimed conspiratorial overlaps where there was no physical, emotional, spiritual, or temporal connection to the Kirk family whatsoever.
00:18:55So at what point do you say, okay, 66%, 60% of your 73 claims are completely wrong?
00:19:01Maybe the others are just coincidence and you got the time zones wrong?
00:19:16These are ones where she's made concrete claims that the French Foreign Legion were training Tyler Robinson, the 13th Brigade, and there was multi state involvement.
00:19:28More specifically, that the green light was given to a small team in the National Gendarmerie Intervention Group.
00:19:35I am told there is one Israeli that is on the assassination squad and that plans were formalized.0.55
00:19:41Again, this person provided concrete proof that they are well placed within the French government apparatus.
00:19:47Further to this point, this person claims that Charlie Kirk's assassin trained with the French Legion 13th Brigade with multi state involvement.
00:20:16The question is, and this is going to be a central theme where's the evidence?
00:20:19Where's the evidence that he trained with the French Foreign Legion?
00:20:22Which brings me to another one that people just sort of skimmed past.
00:20:24Did he train with the French Foreign Legion?
00:20:28Or, 2B, did he train with the Mormon Communist Beehive cult?0.69
00:20:32Because that was the claim that Charlie's assassination was part of a hive.0.59
00:20:38Communist Utah conspiracy of potentially Mormons here.
00:20:42A Polish underground symbol, like a Polish communist underground symbol that nobody would have recognized outside of people who know what it meant.0.64
00:21:35If I actually was trying to get, let's say that we had no information other than the Fed saying, Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk, I would be absolutely asking questions, very broad ones.
00:23:16Not, I get it, people saying there's no footage of him directly on the roof taking the shot that we have seen, but plenty of footage of him on campus, by the way, other people confirming that it was him and him confirming it through his texts.
00:23:28But I understand all of that is suspicious because of the French Foreign Legion.
00:23:32Investigators say surveillance video revealed in a Utah court Tuesday shows Tyler Robinson walking on the Utah Valley University campus.0.88
00:24:52Explained that well, no, clearly that's not him because it's the wrong height.
00:24:56All right, here's the one thing I will say like I said, I accepted the debate a long time ago for several reasons, uh, and I knew that she wouldn't do it.
00:25:02I'm very surprised that she's doing it right now.
00:25:06I mean, she gets a nice payday, doesn't really matter when your husband is the you know, in a hair to the House of Lords, but uh, here's one thing I will say whether Candace gets information correct or incorrect, we all make mistakes.
00:25:19She has no problem, and I can prove this, she has no problem flat out lying.
00:25:28Because I experienced it firsthand in a way that would have cost me millions of dollars and my career.
00:25:38The Nashville Manifesto, when that came out, the pages that we procured from someone who has and will remain anonymous, which was that it was dispelled by the leftist media, which Candace tried to do until they acknowledged that it was real.
00:25:52And then they said the fact that this was real, the fact that these people have it, is going to be harmful to the family.
00:26:03During that period of time, Candace made this claim that our scoop, our actual pages from the Nashville Journal, Audrey Hale, that they actually were incorrect.
00:26:17She was glad that she did her due diligence.
00:26:19And Audrey Hale, in fact, didn't hate Christians, crackers, wasn't a radicalized trans person, just like Tyler Robinson isn't.
00:26:26She was actually sexually assaulted by her father, who, by the way, is a real person.
00:26:32I'm going to say allegedly a lot because it's important for you guys to also understand that I physically did not see these documents, but I trust the person who did physically see these documents, or else I would not be reporting this to you.
00:26:48Now, the police collected a lot of inventory, a lot of property from Audrey Hale.
00:26:54I'm just going to remind you guys this is just a few pages of some of the stuff that they collected seven journals, one journal.
00:27:00You see, I'm showing you this list of the inventory sees, 11 home videos.
00:27:04Bags with target, empty ammo, two journals, a suicide note, passwords on sticky notes.
00:27:11And again, that is what gave me pause in trying to understand what other information they have.
00:27:16Amongst all of this inventory, what the source conveyed to me is that Audrey Hale claims to have been sexually assaulted in her youth when Audrey Hale was a child.
00:27:28And I think that that is a very important and a very relevant allegation.
00:27:35I obviously spend a lot of time on this show.
00:27:38On this podcast talking about transgenderism.0.98
00:27:43And she also claimed in that clip, you know, I'm glad that I did my due diligence as though we didn't.
00:27:49There is no mention whatsoever, there is no evidence whatsoever of Hale having been sexually assaulted or abused.
00:27:55As far as we know, it was completely, totally fabricated, but Candace moved on once the pages that we had were confirmed, both by our allies and by our enemies, with lawsuits and investigations from the FBI.
00:28:06Though, don't forget, also subpoenaed by the ATF.
00:30:59Bill Ackman staged an intervention with Kirk over his views on Israel because Charlie Kirk was very pro Israel for most of his life.
00:31:05I do believe that he was becoming frustrated with donors who expected you to be more pro Israel than maybe he wanted to, but that does not mean that he had changed his views on Israel as a nation.
00:32:37I know that Charlie Kirk, this is why I never actually did anything with TPUSA.
00:32:42Not saying that they were banging down my door to do anything, but this is why I didn't work with nonprofits because I never liked the strings attached with donors.
00:32:47So, I will grant there is some truth attached to this, donors of any kind.
00:32:51And I would imagine that they're pro Israel donors, they would probably want to have a say in it.
00:32:55But the claim here is Netanyahu, government pressure, pro Israel funding.
00:33:00If you don't take it, well, this is an offer you can't refuse, Charlie.
00:33:04Charlie denied, and what BB didn't include there, he declined to go to Israel for, I would describe this as like, you know, re education camp.
00:33:30A Polish underground symbol, like a Polish communist underground symbol that nobody would have recognized outside of people who know what it meant.
00:34:35Then I guess the way this brings us to October 12th, October 11th to 12th, the only way to get those communist beehive cultists to train on behalf of the ultimate plot with Israel and Bill Ackman to assassinate Charlie Kirk would be to use planes from Egypt.
00:37:11Her source confirmed and then receipts saying no.
00:37:14Which is more likely at that point if the receipts, you would have to believe that he had tickets, receipts, and just didn't get on that flight, went to this fort to meet with Erica Kirk so they could discuss communist guerrillas training them in Utah while they take Egyptian planes.
00:39:56Well, then that brings us from March 2026 onward, where, of course, now Erica Kirk is involved.
00:40:02Also, she had a growing hunch, not only that Erica was involved with portraying her husband, we played that video earlier, who she should be dragged into a police precinct, but something to do with Epstein.
00:40:13I got to speak to you about something much more seriously.
00:40:16I have a hunch, a growing hunch, that Erica and Jeffrey Epstein may have crossed paths.
00:41:21He also had a whole bride of Charlie thing, said the marriage wasn't real.
00:41:24Some people would question that because I don't want to get personal and go through all of her background as a longtime leftist, but she did marry an actual Hair 2 Lordship farmer, is his name.
00:42:01This brings us to okay, so we have Tyler Robinson trained by the Mormon Utah Special Forces and the French Legion, which by the way would be the first time someone was trained by both because I'm familiar with both.
00:42:25So, the training, because here's the thing.
00:42:27If that's the case, man, I tell you what, if I had access to that kind of training from the French Legion and communist gays in Mormons in Utah, man, I would be a dead eye, wouldn't I?0.97
00:42:37But then, why would I need June 2026, the exploding mic?0.98
00:42:42So, you do all that training, but then it's really just his security who had a microphone explode on him, right?
00:42:48This is, it came from a guy named John Bray originally, and then Candace.
00:42:51Pushed it recently, did two episodes on this.
00:42:53She argued that Kirk may have been killed by a wireless microphone rigged with a shaped explosive charge rather than a rifle bullet.
00:43:02And there may be evidence for this because I guess that I will say this it is the calling card of the Utah Mormon communist cults and the French Legion.
00:45:24Because what happened is I gained all this fat, and then I started training again, and I gained back some of the muscle, but I still kept the fat.
00:46:29If Patrick L. David Landon's in here, or a deal doesn't work out, but kudos to the both of you guys that you made it work.
00:46:35The topic of discussion today, how this got prompted is Andrew, you said there's overwhelming evidence that Tyler Robinson shot and killed Charlie Kirk.
00:46:45And Candace, your position was he's a Patsy.
00:47:11You've said a lot of good things about Charlie, respectful towards him.
00:47:14You guys may have disagreed on some things, but you had a lot of respect for him.
00:47:17The second audience is the folks out there, you that's watching.
00:47:21Also, important to note, as far as you claim, Andrew, just like myself, has never claimed to have been close with or friends with Charlie Kirk.
00:47:27And he was critical of TPUSA and still is in many ways.
00:47:30Candace was close with Charlie Kirk, and all the evidence that we have is that they were not very close up to the time of his death, and he had put some distance.
00:47:36So only one of them is making the claim that they were still close.
00:49:03On September 10th, 2025, Charlie Kirk was murdered.
00:49:07Many of you already know a lot about the events which occurred after Kirk's death.
00:49:10You remember the ghoulish laughter, celebrations, and madness we saw from leftists all over, from TikTok invasions, debates, posts on social media, destruction of memorials, and things like this.
00:49:21Within weeks of Kirk's death, a cottage industry began to form, peddling various alternative theories on how he died.
00:49:29What special interests may have killed him?
00:49:33And was our own government one of them?0.87
00:49:36Because this was the first nationwide traumatic event in Gen Z's lifetime, the demand for answers was severe and palpable.0.65
00:49:45The leading theory from the conspiracy verse is that Israel worked with the United States government to murder Charlie Kirk.
00:49:53Within a day or two of Kirk's death, Ian Carroll claimed that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
00:49:58And the conspiracy caught on like wildfire.
00:50:00This theory was built on one misleading piece of evidence that in his final days, on around September 8th, Charlie sent a text message reading Jewish donors play into all the stereotypes.
00:50:12I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause.
00:50:18This was sent in the context of a platforming dispute.
00:50:22From this scintilla of misleading information, it was speculated that Israel killed Charlie Kirk because he would have successfully opposed the Iranian war.
00:50:31Now, that's a fun theory, and who doesn't like a good, fun conspiracy theory?
00:51:06In fact, I don't need dreams of any kind because I hold in my possession never before seen messages from Charlie Kirk to his security team on September 9th, 2025.
00:51:54By the way, personal experience, two people have been in a very similar test.
00:51:59I think he meant exactly what he meant by the fact that he was worried the left was going to try to kill him.0.96
00:52:05Now, we'll discuss this more later on in the debate, and maybe I have more never before seen evidence that exposes just how wrong and, in my opinion, idiotic many of these conspiracy theories have been.
00:52:17But that's what happens when you rely on what's called the evidence of the gaps.
00:52:21In other words, they don't have evidence, they seem to just make up evidence.
00:53:34And she will not be able to demonstrate that in any way.
00:53:36In fact, she has almost no real evidence at all of her theory, whereas my theory is supported by compelling witness testimony.
00:53:42Physical evidence, multiple confessions, all of which are independently compelling, but which are even more convincing as each piece of evidence corroborates the others.
00:53:51You'll notice the term overwhelming was included in both theories.
00:53:55This is because Candace demanded I defend my use of that term, which I think is fair, in describing the evidence against Tyler Robinson.
00:54:02She, on the other hand, only wanted to defend her theory as merely viable.
00:54:06That is, until I showed her clips in which she said she believed the evidence of her theory, that Tyler Robinson's and Patsy, was supported by overwhelming evidence.
00:54:14Only then did she agree to defend that position.
00:54:17Regardless, we're both defending the claim.
00:54:19There's overwhelming evidence on our side, so it's worth defining that term.
00:54:23When I say the evidence against Robinson's overwhelming, all I'm saying is that I mean that as of right now, I find it very convincing.
00:54:31I see almost no evidence at all, only speculation on verified claims and suggestions of things that could merely be hypothetically possible.
00:54:38Dreams, vibes, feelings, things like this.
00:54:42I have no problem defending the state's case and welcome Candace bringing up any challenges she would like, but if I'm honest, The reason I was willing to pay the $300,000 for this debate was to finally have a chance for someone to demand Candace be held accountable for the unbelievable theories and claims she's been making.0.56
00:54:58Candace's investigation is indistinguishable from a leftist operation.1.00
00:55:02She couldn't be doing more damage to the right if she were trying.1.00
00:55:06She uses her considerable platform to relentlessly attack one of the most influential conservative outreach organizations for young people.1.00
00:55:12And she's making a mockery of the online right wing commentary class.1.00
00:55:16She's harming Republicans in an election year by dividing them.0.99
00:55:19She's attacking the very organization Charlie spent his life building.0.99
00:55:23With social autopsy and Degree 180, the anti Trump blog where she hoped that conservatives died, and an anti conservative, anti free speech doxing website.
00:55:32That does matter because her background does matter.
00:55:35Well, I'm not going to waste time with the preamble because I think I just want to get to the substance of the debate and we'll just speak to the audience.
00:55:42I have obviously had an audience since we've been covering his case.
00:55:53The pursuit of something that makes sense regarding what happened on September 10th by throwing it to this is just people who are conspiracy theorists, these are people who are just trying to generate clicks.
00:56:07He said, I see overwhelming evidence, and the only evidence I see to the contrary, as far as evidence, is the pursuit of traffic because there's no evidence.
00:56:14A couple of years, if you just think of the things that we've learned about our government.
00:56:17And I do want to say this what's been the most disturbing element, I think, for everyone is that.
00:56:24Not only does the narrative not make any sense, which I'm going to demonstrate, I need to waste time at the preamble going through the points or trying to insult you or pretending that I've been running a podcast saying it's just dreams and vibes, like I'm Miss Cleo, and that's the reason why it's taking so many influencers.
00:56:37It looks like a billion dollar industry of influencers to dispute everything Candace says.
00:56:42It's not because I'm on my platform saying I had a dream last night.
00:56:46I don't think that that diminishes you as an argument.
00:56:49Obviously, we have presented a lot of evidence.
00:56:51You just presented a text message and said this is evidence.
00:56:56The government obviously has lied on something.
00:56:58Therefore, the state and the defense of Tyler Robinson are lying.
00:57:01One of the things we saw was this push to make us all think and remember how much he loved Israel.
00:57:06It's because the prime minister of Israel, who's fighting like a 27 front war, felt that he needed to come do a little mini tour and to be, strangely, to state that I did not kill Charlie Kirk when nobody was having that thought that I can remember.
00:57:22Nobody was going, I wonder if Bibi Netanyahu killed Charlie Kirk.
00:57:25And then we had a round of influencers who.
00:57:34That's why he issued agreements regarding that topic, that the day he died, he just loved Israel so much.
00:57:39And I demonstrated via a text message, which you just mentioned, and you're now contextualizing and pretending it was just about Tucker Carlson, which is not true.
00:57:47It was a part of a broader shift that Charlie was having over the last, I would say, actually, on your show, it began since October 7th, which is when I began asking myself more questions about Israel as well.
00:58:11Megan Kelly then comes out and confirms the private conversations that she had with Charlie.1.00
00:58:15People then begin to ask a reasonable question, which is, why are we lying about this?
00:58:20If they were forthcoming with that and they had said, hey, Charlie was starting to ask questions, I think no one's saying you can't ask questions.
00:58:29We're talking about what degree of evidence, right?
00:58:46I look at what the organization has become the people that they are partnering with, the lies that they are telling, the extraordinary people that they're sending out to say that I hadn't spoken to Charlie since 2018, and it begins to look like a conspiracy.
00:58:59And just as a historical fact, that entire term was created by the CIA to gaslight people after the assassination of JFK.
00:59:06So, it's not exactly one that makes me nervous.
00:59:09Like calling somebody a conspiracy theorist is essentially saying that they demand further answers and they're not accepting the Fed slop.
01:00:50I think that a projectile hit Charlie, and I'm open to other people's presentations.
01:00:56But I have not seen any compelling evidence that Charlie was shot by a 30 odd six.
01:01:00Can we see maybe if we're going to have an olive branch to each other, if maybe we can establish what we consider the facts of the case to be first?
01:01:26It defies common sense to think that he had.
01:01:29A Superman neck, and even if he did have a Superman neck, which has been demonstrated, I think actually recently a YouTuber actually set up Valhalla steel cages and shot it, and it went wrong.
01:01:39Valhalla has gotten many, many bits of information wrong, just to be clear.
01:01:44So Tyler Robinson disassembled the rifle, got on top, reassembled the rifle, zeroed the scope, disassembled it, jumped off, but left his rifle, reassembled in the woods afterwards.
01:01:52He created a timeline that nobody actually believed.0.98
01:01:53That guy's been full of crap in a lot of ways.0.97
01:01:57There's some things that I'm going to make concessions on that I do think we need more answers on, and I'm fine with that, and we can get to those things as well.
01:02:04The other thing is in the timeline, one of the things that we dispute, I think, on the timeline is that you think that Robinson drove hours away to a steakhouse in the timeline, is that correct?
01:02:47But I want to, before we get into all the timeline stuff, I want to address what you think is evidence so we can keep this on par with what your claim is.
01:02:54Well, I think that that's a piece of evidence that's in dispute.
01:03:45So, if that's the case, then ammunition is going to be the critical key here.
01:03:50And if we have frangible ammunition, which we do in this case, a flex tip round, well, I'm sorry, not a flex tip, a soft point round from 150 grain Remington core lock, that's just a small jacket that goes around the actual lead piece.
01:04:04This thing could have split apart in air for all we know, but definitely upon impact.
01:04:08And we have the medical examiner who confirms this in a summary.
01:04:11And my team can bring that up, the summarization.
01:04:14Which means he would have to be a part of some kind of conspiracy as well.
01:04:18So, just to start with your point about saying that the gun was found near him, I mean, near the evidence acts as a sign, proof, or ground for belief in a court case.
01:04:27It includes facts, objects, documents, or witness statements used to prove a point.
01:04:36Did you watch the testimony that was given by Caitlin Oliver, the ATF woman, Samantha Karner, any of those people who went into the science of.
01:05:02If you think somebody set up as a patsy, you could take a gun out of this room right now and you could walk out and plant it in a woods near a crime scene.
01:06:36Secondly, the fact that there were five sets of prints, five plus actually, by the end of the testimony, five sets of prints for which we already had the woman who worked for the FBI forensics testify that above two prints, if you're taking a sample, it's no longer a science, right?
01:06:53She testified that when they took the sample of what was on the trigger, they saw five plus prints.
01:06:58And among those five plus prints, Tyler Robinson's was the most degraded.
01:07:51Now, I don't know if you agree with me, but if you leave a rifle in a wooded area, can a firearm be fired and there still be debris in a rifle after the firearm?
01:09:20It proves that if his prints were the most degraded amongst five of them, you're going to have to explain how that's possible if he's the one that recently fired the weapon.
01:09:55Well, I think that what it would prove is that it is a more viable theory that people who had stronger prints on the gun may have used it more recently.
01:10:05Did they say who else had fingerprints on the gun?
01:10:10And this was a part of the testimony where she was speaking about how they got samples of elimination samples from the home of Amber Robinson, Matt Robinson, and Lance Twiggs.
01:10:56As someone who had prints on the gun, and then said there were five people that they had taken that sample from.
01:11:02And again, what's also relevant here is the earlier testimony, which came from the FBI forensics analyst.
01:11:11I believe it was on day two, where she said that when you're using those mixtures and those samples and you get up to five plus, it's really hard to make any sort of a determination.
01:11:48Because even if the case doesn't have an explanation for it yet, that doesn't actually give you any evidence in your corner for Tyler Robinson.
01:11:57Jennifer Faumina with the State Bureau of Investigation testified one was Robinson's roommate, Lance Twiggs, and the other was very likely Robinson.
01:12:04She said Twiggs, a key figure in the prosecution's case, will not testify in person this week, but prosecutors have said they plan to introduce a recorded statement.
01:12:10I'm saying that it could be Matt Robinson, it could be Amber Robinson.
01:12:13That sort of information is going to come up.
01:12:32And then you can bring up Hunter Ed right there.
01:12:34Of course, after any gun fires, there can still be debris in the barrel.
01:12:36As a matter of fact, it's a common warning because you don't want to fire when there's debris there.
01:12:40It could cause increased pressure, and that pressure can continue to increase as the debris can remain in the barrel, in some cases, build up more.
01:12:45You guys can bring it up and put it up there in the map.
01:13:02You don't let me ever get to the end of the sentence, so how could we get to the patsy part?
01:13:05Okay, I can't wait until we get to the end of the sentence.
01:13:07So, that could be a reasonable explanation as to why there was dust in the barrel because he doesn't often shoot this weapon and he is indeed a fisher.
01:13:14And it could also be a reasonable explanation for why we have Matt Robinson's prints on this.
01:13:42This is, hang on, this is not evidence that Tyler Robinson is a patsy.
01:13:47It's only evidence that you have conjectured up that.
01:13:51Well, if it's the case that these are the more degraded prints, then therefore that means must be Patsy cuz parents' fingerprints, dad's fingerprints on gun.
01:14:51No, that's very important because that rule is hearsay.
01:14:54So, you can't say at the same time, Candace, you're not allowed to.
01:14:57And what that means under the Utah rule, which I'm sure you know, because I'm sure you watched the preliminary hearing and yourself understand what that means, is that the entire hearing was hearsay.
01:15:05It means none of that information that was presented is going to be allowed.
01:15:09The majority of it, the overwhelming majority of it, is not going to be allowed at the trial.
01:15:13They're allowed to present when it's this approbative hearing.
01:15:16I don't think all the evidence that was put in was hearsay.
01:15:21And what I believe what she's trying to say is when you have a preliminary hearing, they are determining what would be considered hearsay versus what would be.
01:15:30So they said there's a medical examiner's explanation of the shooting that's in the back.
01:15:36Rob, if you want to pull it up, and then Candace, if anybody from your team wants to pull something up, no problem as well, but they're requesting it.
01:15:43If you guys got it, pull it up so we can show it.
01:16:02The preliminary hearing is used to determine what is hearsay and what would be admitted as evidence.
01:16:06By the way, every single thing that she has said, for example, my source, my phone call, would be hearsay and not admitted as evidence.
01:16:14Coroner's report would be admitted as evidence.
01:16:17Eyewitness testimony, if they are determined to be valid and have been there and could be corroborated with security cameras, would be admitted as evidence.
01:16:56No, no, but your entire reason, like you asserted that you believe there's overwhelming evidence on the basis of what we saw in the preliminary hearing.
01:17:04The entire preliminary hearing was hearsay.
01:17:22Again, this is something important, so we should pull up a fact check about what the 1102 Utah, under their constitution, for the sake of a preliminary hearing, they do not have to have hard evidence.
01:17:33They don't have to put people on the trials for them.0.96
01:17:41Reliable hearsay, meaning the legal definition, meaning there isn't enough corroborating evidence for it to be considered hard evidence, is admissible at preliminary criminal examinations.
01:17:51Okay, so they are determining the level of evidence, basically the credence that it will be given.
01:17:55It's not to say that the entire preliminary hearing is hearsay.
01:23:11You said the blurry images coming up the steps.
01:23:14Quite literally, when Officer Bagley testified, talk about what I'm talking about making inference.
01:23:18This is the most, I thought, was the most absurd testimony I've ever heard.
01:23:21And pardon me, it was actually Hull, David Hull.
01:23:24They asked him a question How did you know the guy in the maroon shirt was the same as the guy that came up the stairs later that was wearing the American flag black shirt?
01:23:33And he said, They're wearing the same shoes.
01:24:33And again, 1102 procedure of the Tyler Robinson case is to allow prosecutors to establish if they want to use reliable hearsay.
01:24:40Without having to call every single witness to testify live, meaning probable cause, reliable hearsay, you know, the stuff that Candace talking on the phone with someone in no receipt wouldn't qualify for.
01:24:50What I'm looking for is the logical inferences that you have that Tyler Robinson's a patsy based on the totality of evidence that you have.
01:24:56We can keep going through your other evidence, but we should find his tweet where he lists the reasons that he was convinced.
01:27:32Yeah, so my position is that based on all of the evidence which has been demonstrated, at least all the evidence to my knowledge, that I am actually not seeing anything that's compelling as an alternative theory.
01:27:46I'm not seeing anything which is convincing me of something otherwise than what the state is presenting as evidence.
01:27:51That's my position, if that's what you're asking me.
01:27:55So, just going back to what you did actually tweet, is it fair for me to ask questions about that?
01:28:00That's the only tweet you're going to ask me about.
01:28:02Well, we're addressing your claim that the evidence is overwhelming, and this is a tweet where you listed what you felt was overwhelming.
01:28:13But yeah, so going back to that, all of that, as you say to me, well, Candace, why are you addressing and making inferences off of the testimony?
01:28:21And by the way, you guys can fact check me.
01:28:22They didn't match the license plates, they didn't have the quality of it.
01:28:24I was just giving examples of how you would match a vehicle, but you can fact check me.
01:28:28Because I said that I want to make sure that I'm clear.
01:29:10So if you're asking, I'm asking for my inference why I think it's Tyler Robinson's because A, Tyler Robinson said in his text messages, you'll be able to see me on security footage at the campus.
01:31:07That happens, by the way, all the time in the legislature.
01:31:09And I'm wondering why it particularly happened for Lance and this testimony.
01:31:11And I would also like to point out that something that's remarkable about this, again, leaning to my perspective that Lance has a lot more, which I have said many times, Lance has a lot more involvement than the feds are.
01:31:24Because they interviewed him on September 11th, and then for whatever reason, just ahead of what was supposed to be slated as the preliminary hearing, which was initially supposed to be in May, they bring him back to do this interview, which in my opinion should have never been allowed.
01:31:40And I actually agree with the defense that it's a violation of his constitutional rights not to allow them to have cross examined him.
01:31:46But I understand Utah 1102, do what you do, it's all hearsay.
01:31:50But to allow it in that way for him to just Be able to also have use immunity, knowing that he's not going to be, he's not going to get in trouble.
01:31:57He could literally get up there and lie about anything, and he's not going to get in trouble because the use immunity was given to him in April, I believe.
01:32:03April 28th is when they gave that testimony to the defense.
01:32:07I think they shot it in like April 20th of 2026.
01:32:10That is not compelling to me for somebody who has use immunity to give a testimony and to say, I'm not really sure, but definitely like he wears jeans and stuff.
01:33:23Is consistent with the declarant's testimony and the declarant denies having made the statement or has forgotten, or is consistent with the declarant's testimony and is offered a rebut, express implied charge.
01:33:35That the declarant recently fabricated or acted in recent improper influence or motive in testifying.
01:33:41So, then wouldn't that mean that a bunch of this wasn't hearsay?
01:33:46Would that mean that a bunch of this wasn't hearsay?
01:33:49So, the opposing party, which down the line, like I said, they talked about this for about an hour and a half, and they discussed how if Lance was in court and he was giving his first party, you know, giving his testimony as the opposing party, whatever, all this would be fine.
01:34:02They had an issue with how the questions were being asked and that they were not allowed to cross examine him.
01:34:25Well, I mean, I'm leaning now into my opinion that some scientific aspects, which they kept asserting, like the federal rule 403 or 402, some of those parts were quite valid.
01:34:35Sounds like you're backtracking quite a bit.
01:34:51How many times did you watch the video here?
01:34:52It's like, they constantly, I'm 1102, And the reason for that is because it's allowed.
01:34:58I'm not saying it's illegal, it's allowed at this stage, but I'm just reminding you that when you're going to sit across from someone and your claim is going to be, where is your hard evidence?
01:35:06This is what I heard and I agree with what I'm watching.
01:35:43The point is this trial, you guys can bring it back up.
01:35:46They are determining what is reliable hearsay.
01:35:48And what they would do is exactly what, whether you like it or not, what Andrew just said.
01:35:52It would be a combination of evidence where they would go, is this reliable hearsay?
01:35:56Meaning, does this match up with other pieces of evidence that we have where we could include this and we don't need to call them as a witness at trial?
01:36:04And it's often not given as much credence as hard evidence, of which Candace has presented none.
01:36:08She's presented hearsay that wouldn't be granted as reliable hearsay.
01:36:12Someone called me, showed me a receipt, but I can't show it.
01:36:15They go, well, this person claimed that they saw him, and there is, just as an example, there is security camera footage that matches up with that, that matches up with what he texted.
01:36:23That would be more reliable hearsay that could be admitted, you know, basically as an adjunct.
01:36:28That's not the only thing I've ever said on my Twitter about this case.
01:36:30Right, but the question that was asked of you was pretty direct.
01:37:15And I go, well, okay, one, two, three, four.
01:37:16These are things that I think are pretty convincing.
01:37:18If I had an entire show laying out all of it as we did with Tyler Robinson with the assassination, would it be fair to say, well, then you're adding to it?
01:38:43I guess she didn't give you access to the Wi Fi.
01:38:47What's your feel of things going on there?
01:38:48I know we've sent you some extreme fact checks.
01:38:50Just so you know, my prediction was she would, once we got to the text where she said, I didn't see those in the text, once they're presented, she will eventually just say, Those texts can't count because they clearly were planted.
01:39:03What else should we know that we can't see?
01:39:07Well, I think you're right on the assertion that there has been some stuff that's been said that immediately right after has been kind of declined.
01:40:00If I were to offer any feedback, it would be first off, as someone who just wants the truth, Patsy is not the same as trained by a Mormon bee cult.
01:40:06Patsy is not the same as working with the French Legion.
01:40:08Patsy is not the same as Erica Kirk being involved, Israel being involved, Netanyahu.
01:40:13Patsy is not the same as a Trump cover up.
01:40:15Patsy is not the same as Kirk's security chief.
01:40:17So I'd like to get to that because I did see quite a bit going back and forth.
01:40:21She tried to represent his entire argument as an at reply tweet.
01:43:22You turned a basic period incident into a full blown office census.0.53
01:43:26I've received a formal complaint from every woman in the office, and HR me has to write out sensitivity training modules for the entire office now.
01:43:50Are you punishing him for being a gentleman, Sam?
01:43:52Josh, you said the phrase bioweapon twice in describing the said bloodstained matter on the floor of the office with every female employee present, including our intern who just got out of college.
01:48:25Well, we didn't have Tax Network USA back then.
01:48:28I ended up getting caught having to pay $215,000 in interest on back taxes.
01:48:35That's like $4.4 million in today's bucks.
01:48:38That kind of scratch can buy a lot of fedoras.
01:48:41So if you don't want to get pinched by the IRS or the feds and get locked up in an island in California next to the fruitcakes, do yourself a favor.
01:49:05The defense did do was actually before we got to the preliminary hearing, I had mentioned that it was initially supposed to be scheduled for some time in May.
01:49:15That, reading through those filings of why they were requesting an extension and why I actually believe their extension should have been granted because they did not receive discovery.
01:49:51So, he thought the best thing to do would be to text a full confession of what he did, down to what I didn't even remember saying, yeah, and that's also me, Mr. Valence Footage.
01:50:28He did actually get the 500K code correct.
01:50:31Yeah, I'm not a gamer, so we'll say that if we start debating that, you'll be way over my head.
01:50:35But yes, but my point being is just that, just first, it's a general sense of why people had a reaction to these messages that seemed like they were written by Jane Austen rather than like a kid who games and writes catfish.
01:50:56If you say the COVID vaccine is running out, feels like it's coming out too fast, and there's too many celebrities telling me to do it, I'd like to take a pause, that's good.
01:52:54And they were requesting an extension saying, We have gone to the prosecution and we have requested all of this stuff in discovery.
01:53:03Yes, you are saying that you took Lance's phone, okay, and that you collected his phone on September 11th and that you sent it off or whatever.
01:53:12You took a picture of the text messages and we are being given these text messages to review.
01:53:17Crucially, Kathy Nestor said, I have not even been given access to my client's phone during this hearing.
01:53:24She said, I have to be because this is my client's phone.
01:53:26She can't tell you as a part of the discovery request, it's not enough to say to me, Candace, I just got a text message from Candace, and I say, I didn't send that text message.
01:54:05I know it's no, but I'm asking you to fact check it to bring it up.
01:54:08I know that we have the capability because my husband does it.
01:54:10He has the capability to send messages from my phone.
01:54:12It is not convincing to the public when, for whatever reason, the FBI would not, FBI combined with the SBI, it was not the prosecution's fault.
01:54:21They made that clear during that hearing, would not allow them that discovery request to be able to see where did the messages come from.
01:54:28I said, Andrew and Candace agreed to do a long form debate.
01:55:13It has not been proven that these messages are valid and they don't sound valid to me.
01:55:17I don't think anyone, even if someone was selling like a pot on the corner, would be smarter than to write a full fledged confession.
01:55:27He even writes, I thought I would get away with it and I was hoping never to tell you until old age and then we're being told that he wanted to commit suicide and.
01:55:36Okay, but he just said he wanted to get away with it, but he's not smart enough to.
01:56:00If it was the case that you thought that your kid was innocent, wouldn't you be out telling everybody and their brother that you thought that they were innocent?
01:56:48So the defense fought the admission of the text, but didn't dispute authenticity.
01:56:53Could potentially do that at trial, but during the July 2026 preliminary hearing, a State Bureau of Investigation agent took the stand and authenticated the messages, testifying about how they were photographed directly off the cracked screen of Robinson's roommate's phone and later extracted using Celebrite software.
01:57:10The defense did not cross examine the agent's accusations that the texts were faked.
01:57:13So they were just trying to say procedurally, since it was taken off of the screen, that they probably shouldn't be admitted.
01:57:18At no point did they dispute the authenticity of the actual text.
01:57:21Yeah, but they could still dispute authenticity at trial.
01:57:30Wait, I just want to make sure that I. If it was the case that was being reported in mainstream media that your father came to you and said, hey, is this you?
01:58:33I can already tell you what you're talking about the charging documents.
01:58:36Because this is where we had to figure out where this story came from because everyone was operating on the assumption that Matt Robinson turned him in.
01:58:42Until we got to the preliminary hearing and we understood, like I said, even for that, when you are charging someone, you can use hearsay.
01:59:01They did not produce statements saying, My son did this.
01:59:03They just sent in, I would rather kill myself than turn myself in.
01:59:07Robinson responded when his father urged him to turn himself into authorities, the source said.
01:59:12That's not suicidal, that's saying I'd rather.
01:59:14Father persuaded Robinson to confide in a youth pastor who works with the Washington County Sheriff's Office and the U.S. Marshal's Office, the law enforcement source said.
01:59:20So that's the sources, and then I would imagine they were also in the documents admitted to court.
01:59:23That would be the initial story, and it was corroborated.
02:00:12The narrative initially, which I think you agree with, was that Matt Robinson knew his kid was guilty and turned him into the police station.
02:00:19What actually happened in terms of Sheriff Brooksby, who was present there and gave a press conference, what happened was this Mike Mitchell character essentially peer pressured him.
02:01:02Not that he went to the police and turned him in, that when the father was asked, he said, I told him, hey, you should probably turn yourself in, like you just said.
02:01:09No one's saying the father went to the authority and said, My son is guilty.
02:01:12One asked, the information came out, corroborated with the text, where the father said, Well, I did tell him this.
02:01:17And I'm saying it's the charging dock, which could have been derived from the charging dock.
02:01:20So, again, if that's the case, let's say you believe that he turned him in.
02:01:23And now you go, oh, no, the father admitted, though, that he knew about this and advised his son that way because he had committed the act and admitted to him.
02:02:02The text messages aren't concrete because they were taken from a cracked phone, even though the defense didn't dispute the authenticity.
02:02:07The father's admitting when questioned that his son did it and he advised him to speak to a youth pastor is not concrete because he didn't bring it forward and turn his son in.
02:02:17But none of those pieces of information, ultimately, the facts that matter in a case, are in dispute.
02:02:49After this, Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed him the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son.
02:02:57He also believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used matched the rifle that was given to his son as a gift.
02:03:03As a result, Robinson's father contacted his son and asked him to send a photo of the rifle, which makes sense with the text messages.
02:03:24So what I'm saying to you is that three people got interviewed on that night Mike Mitchell got interviewed, Amber Robinson got interviewed, and Matt Robinson got interviewed.
02:03:32Of the three of them, only one of them actually wrote a statement, which was referred to in this preliminary trial.
02:03:39He came in, I believe, in March, Mike Mitchell, and he wrote a statement, which I find to be very shady that they decided to bring up.
02:03:51But why aren't the parents in court play to the cameras in court when they have a legal team that is going to be advising them not to speak to the court because your son could go to prison for that?
02:03:58But they're playing to somebody else who's your source?
02:04:03They're saying to someone else who's your source but won't go publicly tell the media this is not true.
02:04:08Well, what I did not say to you that I just said I don't have any source, so I want to be very clear and take it from somebody who was involved and permanently sued.
02:04:17When I have to take my lawyers' advice, you've not been sued by the FBI, you've not been subpoenaed by the ATF, and you lied about the Nashville Manifesto, the Covenant shooting.
02:04:26We have been subpoenaed by all of the above.
02:04:28You can support us by joining Mug Club Rumble Premium, just to be clear.
02:04:31Candace Owens has not been sued by any of those intelligence agencies for misinformation.
02:04:34She's sued by Bridget McCrone, and she's going to lose.
02:04:37She was countersued by her landlord because she claimed discrimination, just like she did when she was young, using the NAACP, claiming racism, and she lost to the tune of $17,000 from her landlord.
02:04:51Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed him a surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed it looked like their son, according to the charging documents.
02:05:42That's going to come down the line, right?0.95
02:05:43They're going to be able to seat the parents.
02:05:45I will say this putting together context clues, if the state had it on 100% certainty that Matt Robinson and Amber Robinson said it, a five day preliminary hearing would be a good time to say we have enough evidence and I can tell you why Matt Robinson made this statement and here is his statement that he signed.
02:06:04That would have been a good time to present that evidence.
02:06:05That would also be a good time for the defense to say that's just totally fabricated.
02:07:11If you had actual evidence that there were fabrications by the feds, that's exactly when you would introduce that.
02:07:16So, in the document that they filed yesterday or a couple of days ago, The appropriate, like what you're doing at this stage of the hearing, is the state is saying we have enough evidence that we think this needs to go forth with a trial.
02:07:29Hence the reason that there's this extraordinary, we allow hearsay because it doesn't really need to be perfect.
02:07:34It can be enough that we feel like we can move forward, right?
02:07:37And I disagree with that in general when somebody's rotting in prison, but whatever.
02:07:42The next phase is for them to meet in court and for the defense to essentially present an argument to the state that says, We find this filing to be defective in and of itself.
02:07:54We don't even have to defend ourselves because you, the state, have a lawyer.
02:07:57George the Greek, who works for us, he's a lawyer.
02:07:59Ask him if he would be willing to correct this because she's listing a process that is very likely completely false during the next break.
02:08:05I think it would be great to have George the Greek come in, who is a lawyer, who chooses to work here, by the way.
02:10:10Because there's a little bit of a problem.
02:10:11Because Erica Kirk killed her husband and that he was training with crazy Mormon communists and the 13th Legion, and that Andrew Colvett was identified as a betrayer and the dream of destroying people's lives.0.72
02:10:56It's when you make claims outside of that where you claim that there's good evidence or good standards you should believe because, and then it turns out that it's all nonsense or it's wackadoo stuff or it makes no sense.
02:11:09And when we have a chance to cross examine your evidence that you've presented, I'm going to show a lot of that.
02:11:13A lot of this conjecture that's based on literally nothing.
02:11:24And then he's going to be able to cross examine her, hopefully, the evidence of all the claims we've gone through, Egyptian planes, French Legion, Mormon cult.
02:12:21In fact, so if people look and they say, I'm looking at the gun and I see and I'm inferring this, and someone else says, I'm looking at the gun.
02:13:09But here's the thing when you ask me my reason, Andrew, why are you convinced by this?
02:13:13I can give you my reasons why I'm convinced by it, why it seems reasonable and rational to me to be convinced.
02:13:18You could even say, But Andrew, I'm just not convinced by it.
02:13:22If that was the limitation of your claims, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
02:13:26That's why I wanted to have the conversation, in fact, was so that we could move into your actual claims that you've made, which transcend the idea of.
02:13:55To date, the state's prosecutors have disclosed all evidence that is presently and reasonably available to them as required under Rule 16, Utah R criminal, to be more precise as of April 1st.
02:14:10That's why they're caging that by saying what's reasonable.
02:14:12There was an entire, and we can pull this up, we should now play the Kathy Nestor clip because that's not reasonable.
02:14:17She said they didn't have the ability to cross-examine, to look at any of the evidence because they weren't given it.
02:14:22It's not reasonable that you're asking for this when we're going into a hearing that's just going to be based on hearsay and stuff, things of that nature.
02:14:28But of course, by the time a trial comes, you're going to get all the disclosures.
02:15:16The judge ruled that it wasn't necessary at this stage, and that was the whole point of that.
02:15:21Uh, because it's preliminary to the preliminary, yeah.
02:15:23Yeah, would you like to play the Kathy video?
02:15:25Uh, well, he's saying he's not disagreeing, so I don't think we need to.
02:15:27There's no, yeah, there's no disagreement that she said that, yeah.
02:15:31So, um, the yeah, so I guess the disagreements now would move into the evidences that you have stated, yeah, on the record, which transcend elements of reason.
02:15:42Why are we having a transcendental conversation now?
02:15:46Because, I mean, to Because they're all related to the same thing.
02:16:17When you make claims which pass the idea of the world, transcendental means going beyond ordinary limits, standard sensory experience, or basic physical rules.
02:16:27So, typically, yeah, so I guess metaphysical, I guess you could say that they would be sort of interchangeable.
02:16:30Usually, transcendental is kind of a new age term used for transcendental meditation, which means beyond the physical realm, right, in your mind, whereas metaphysical means something that would exist beyond what can be touched, smelled, heard, you know, like metaverse.
02:16:43If that's the case, then I would like to finally dive into some of that evidence.
02:16:49Well, just to be clear, and I'm happy to have you talk about, like I said publicly, you want to engage in some conspiracies, but I said I want to make sure that we get to the substance of our debate.
02:16:58The substance of our debate is me demonstrating that all of the quote unquote evidence that you feel that you have, which demonstrates that Tyler Robinson, I mean, that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk.
02:17:11It's not validated by the testimony that we saw.
02:17:14And in your answer for when I explained to you that he had the most degraded prints, was I don't know.
02:17:18Okay, well, then there lies my ability to process that.
02:17:23It's just fine for you to not be convinced up to this point, all of your viewers, everybody watching.
02:17:32Nobody's giving a dispute that if all your claims ever were, were just up to now, the evidence that the state's given, I'm just kind of not convinced.
02:18:04If you want to move to the opinions, if you want to talk about Erica Kirk, if you want to talk about Turning Point USA, I'd like to talk about all of it and get into it.
02:18:12But I just want to say that, like, I do not feel, because I've said what's important to me is that we exhaust this topic first of our actual debate claims.
02:18:20I do not feel that you sufficiently have argued that the evidence is overwhelming.
02:18:25I'm sorry, there's a question for you, Will.
02:19:33And also, like I said, the use immunity that was given to Lance by the feds, the fact that the feds didn't ask him any questions, the fact that I spoke with Lance Twiggs' family, and they were like, it's very weird that.
02:19:44The feds are not asking him more questions.
02:19:46He's exactly the person asking him more questions or they didn't ask him any questions.
02:19:53But when we got to the preliminary hearing, there was not a single piece of evidence that I felt was slam dunk.
02:20:27The FBI took the gun, the FBI took initially the screwdriver.
02:20:31And then when I heard testimony about the things that they didn't that they found that were suspicious, um, example being the backpack, that's something that really bothers me.
02:20:39Uh, that they say they traced the shooter, they traced the route that he went on, and then there wasn't a band, we know it looks like he's wearing some sort of a backpack.
02:20:48We know that there was an abandoned backpack found at the bus stop in front of a library, and they felt that this should be taken into evidence.
02:21:52When you learn, and this is completely crazy to me, that some of the artifacts that Charlie was wearing were immediately returned to Erica, that's absurd.
02:22:05When you learn that the car that they carried Charlie in to go to the hospital, they had immediately towed, cleaned, and back up for resale, that's absurd.
02:23:04I've never in my entire career heard of a paver emergency.
02:23:08They had already had someone come up and dig up the vehicle.
02:23:11So by the time he got there on site, he was destroying vehicles and suspensions.
02:23:14She didn't have a career in construction, to be clear.
02:23:16That is what people are looking at and going, this is a crime scene.
02:23:20Or maybe a crime scene that's already been gone over with a fine tooth comb and still perhaps has blood or reminders of a horrible crime that would be disturbing to students.
02:23:28And once they've gone through everything, they might pave it over to try and make it appropriate.
02:23:53You wouldn't have been able to go to the grassy knoll area.
02:23:56In other words, that entire, all of that traffic, Dallas, downtown Dallas, right outside that museum, would have been shut down indefinitely for years.
02:24:06So, what would you need to see for you to see something?
02:24:09If they had, I was expecting here, we have a look at the shot, and then I'd be like, great, a clear image of him on the staircase where I'm like, that's definitively Tyler Robinson and he was on campus.
02:24:37George says police and prosecutors absolutely can return seized property to an owner or their family before a trial if they determine it is not relevant to the case or no longer needed as evidence.
02:24:50Just good, clear, concise evidence that's been presented, right, and is being presented that I could go through and link all together to see if there's actually some clear picture of there being a patsy.
02:25:27So, my whole thing is just this it's really important to me.
02:25:32I don't mind people being truth seekers and justice searchers, and the internet has helped solve tons of crimes.
02:25:39There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that, right?
02:25:42However, there's also people who you know they not only don't solve crimes but they just come up with conjecture and they what's called flooding the zone, you flood the zone with.
02:25:52Tons and tons of conspiracy based ideas and they go nowhere, right?
02:25:55And in fact, they actually take away from a legitimate investigation.
02:26:01Now, I'm not even saying anybody here is purposely flooding the zone.
02:26:05All I'm saying is that the claims made absent, absent, oh, this is just me not being convinced by the state's evidence, those become claims and claims have to be defended.
02:26:18Just like mine have to be defended, yours have to be defended.
02:27:39I mean, by the way, I went down, laid down in the middle of that ex, and it was considered horribly distasteful, and I got a lot of people honking.
02:27:58Can you think of any evidence, any way that that crucifix could be considered evidence?
02:28:02Potentially, I mean, a detective could determine whatever it is, but the idea that they've looked at it, they examined it, and they're done with it, sure.
02:28:14Or, like a vehicle used, for example, not in a crime, but a vehicle used to transport a victim to a hospital isn't necessarily in evidence forever.
02:28:21There's precedent for that going back to the owner of the vehicle.
02:28:44Explain to us what a preliminary hearing is, what it's designed to do, what prosecutors wouldn't do, what defenses maybe would do in contrast to a trial.
02:28:59You're not going to try the whole case right now in a preliminary hearing.
02:29:03The way Utah works right now is they do this.
02:29:05And by the way, I think the defense really wanted this behind closed doors for obvious reasons, but the judge said this is going to be a public hearing, is to determine is there enough probable cause to take this thing to trial?
02:29:15Should we even waste our time with a trial?
02:29:17Now, considering the way this case has unfolded, it may seem redundant or ridiculous or unnecessary, but procedure is procedure.
02:29:26And this is where it may sound a little ridiculous, but the point is the prosecution needs to show hey, we have enough reason to go to trial.
02:29:33They're not going to give you every single piece of detail, they're not going to bring every witness.
02:29:37They're going to give just as much as they need to overcome this very low hurdle, get this thing now in front of a jury, and that's when they're going to come out with every single little detail.
02:29:50It would play directly into what Candace was saying.
02:29:52They would present as little as they need to because they have to present that to the defense and they don't want to tip their hand with the defense, right?
02:29:57And as we saw, everything they presented was given to the defense, which she claimed had not been.
02:30:12Before trial, obviously, and during trial, the defense is going to get to impeach the prosecution's witnesses, question their credibility, question where they got all of this.
02:30:24And she's exploiting this idea that the prosecution is holding some back or not making their case in the most detail to go see it's a weak case.
02:31:41Like the French 13th Legion, or Foreign Legion, sorry, the Egyptian planes, Erica Kirk obviously taking part in the assassination, the Utah Communist Mormon cult.0.97
02:31:52Yeah, this is going to be the fun part.0.87
02:32:16It's a very good analogy, too, to bring up Charlie Day because, as I understand it, you are one of the top 10 bird lawyers in the state of Texas.
02:32:53And we did miss the Tax Network USA because here's the thing we don't have any crowdfunding and we don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions from foreign investors.
02:33:55All right, first chat from Rumble Foreskin.
02:33:58Regardless of the debate outcome, do you think merely having popular independent voices address this will further diminish legacy media or force to cover something besides propaganda?
02:34:09I mean, I don't know because we've moved past the point where people buy what legacy media sells.
02:34:12I mean, you saw that with Ivermectin, what they did to Joe Rogan.
02:35:39And the newer people, and I would say people who've come in, really, my cutoff would be, I don't know, maybe 2018 after, even though I've been here since 2009.
02:35:47But I'd say 2018, 2020 after, for sure, is where you see a lot of people who've come in and just go, just asking questions or click, bait.
02:35:55Things like Epstein Binder Gate, things like we're seeing right now with, with, The Charlie Kirk conspiracies, where, by the way, there are some legitimate questions and there's a lot of bull crap out there that makes absolutely no sense.
02:36:06So I think this will help determine the future of the media that is going to be most relevant because that's not legacy media.
02:36:14And I really hope that it fulfills its original purpose, which is why I started doing it.
02:36:20Right now, it looks like it could go either way.
02:37:35But if they say, now by what percentage, if someone were to tell you the COVID death count was actually inflated by 300%, How much do you believe that?
02:37:54I'd have to make an inference with incomplete data.
02:37:57When people say, there's one that I could say, how much do you believe that terminating a pregnancy at 34 weeks, which is allowed in Massachusetts, is the ending of a human life?
02:39:35Just a side note if I was the prosecution and we're behind closed doors evaluating how strong our case is and I said 80% chance, I'm pretty sure the lead DA would go, You got work to do.
02:40:18Wait, wait, before we get into that, I would like to just reply to that.
02:40:21So, just to be clear, we agreed to debate our claims, and then I agreed publicly that I have no issues having a conversation with you about other things that I've discussed that were outside of the court hearing and things like other evidence that's come across our lap and things that we've been speaking about.
02:40:36But I just do want to make it clear to viewers that for whatever reason, you think that you have a right to sort of depose me.
02:42:05She's certain Tyler Robinson did not kill Charlie Cook, but she's not certain that the forensic examination showed there was no DNA of Twiggs on that gun.
02:44:52Nor do I believe that he was so into LGBTQ issues, since Lance testified they never spoke about LGBTQ issues, that he stopped and ate at Chick fil A, which, if you are into LGBTQ issues, wouldn't be your lunch.
02:45:14Like I said, you don't get two for an hour and a half peppermint.
02:45:16But the question I'm asking is about positive evidence.
02:45:17I'm telling you that in any case, establishing a motive, and again, I already.
02:45:23Explain this at the top of the show, but the reason why people find Israel to be an interesting question is because truthfully, Charlie's perspectives were so just to be clear.
02:45:32She said that he was starting to realize that they never discussed it was being put on not just our government, sure.
02:45:37Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson never discussed LGBTQ issues.0.96
02:45:41They were just fucking people had come out and been honest about that.0.94
02:45:58Everything was about trying to convince the public how much he liked Israel.0.58
02:46:01So then, other than intuition, how you feel about things, do you have any evidence Israel was involved in killing Charlie Kirk?0.72
02:46:07I have already said, and if you're watching my show and the context of what I said, this is the general sense of why people think Israel's in power.
02:46:19Hey, everyone out there, she's your champion.
02:46:22Who I think would have the right to assert it.
02:46:25Noted that there were 12 Israeli cell phones on the ground that day.
02:46:28I think most people would like to probe that.
02:46:30Now, it could be maybe they were students, you know, and they were Israeli students in Utah that day.
02:46:36But we'd like to probe that narrative because what we've seen after coming from the Israeli government, the Israeli prime minister kind of denying that he did it, which wasn't really necessary, was quite busy.
02:46:46The phone call that happened, which no one wants to discuss in the Hamptons the week prior, or not the week prior, I think it was around August 5th or 6th that took place.
02:46:56And again, The almost desperate lies about Charlie shifting opinion on Israel lead us to believe that there could be an Israeli angle in this.
02:47:07They're never any shifting opinions on Israel.0.62
02:47:08Charlie Kirk's opinions shifted on Israeli donors, which, by the way, I absolutely believe is true, is why I decided to never go the 501 route.
02:47:37The Hamptons thing was weird, and the way they tried to shove the Israel narrative down our throat immediately I mean, the day he died, posting a picture of him with an American and Israeli AI'd photo on the president's feed doesn't feel right.
02:47:50Do you have any evidence that Erica Kirk or TPUSA participated in the murder of Charlie Kirk?
02:50:35If it was the case that I said I have full confidence I'm going to be late to work, I would say my evidence that I'm going to be is that work is 20 minutes away, right, and I have to be there in five.
02:50:47So I'm asking if you think that Israel and France were involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and you say with full confidence, I'm just asking for the evidence.
02:51:57I'm asking specifically that when this is all said and done, I've already explained to you.
02:51:59I explained at the beginning of this why I think Israel is.0.65
02:52:03Is ultimately going to be proven to have involvement in this.
02:52:06I just explained it to you in the middle, and now you're wanting me to structure the sentence or provide evidence.
02:52:10Important because it disconnects with all of the other conspiracies out there where people present evidence that, by the way, Candace isn't willing to or can't remember in order to present.
02:52:18Because they'll go this detail, this detail, this detail.
02:52:20She's saying, I don't need to have any detail.
02:52:23So, if anything else, hey guys, everyone who believes the conspiracies, everyone who believes that this is Fed slot, you need a new champion because she can't answer.
02:52:31Wouldn't you be able to answer why you think Israel and France?
02:52:58But I think it's a good reason to be nameless and right or wrong.
02:53:00But seriously, though, if I then took it to the federal government, like you can't just go out there making a claim to the federal government, you get in trouble for making false statements and things of that nature.
02:53:07So, and then you go, well, I'm going to probe that.
02:54:35And of course, if they wanted to open a file on it, which I thought was quite mysterious that Trump's office never got back to us, it was kind of weird about like from maybe they're not the correct office to.
02:54:46I did receive a response from Tulsi Gabbard's office, but I.
02:54:50I don't think there was ever any investigation into what I said.
02:55:55We were tipped off with Jay Varma, and then it was confirmed by him.
02:55:57So we can keep our sources anonymous because we have valid third party confirmation that proves it to you.
02:56:03If we just say we have an anonymous source and then there's no other form of confirmation, well, it's of no value because there's no way to know if it's true.
02:57:03Well, I just, I sent the email, assuming that's, you kept saying, like, you go and you make a report, you, if, Think they're going to come back to you and say, Guys, let's move on from this.0.95
02:57:43They were saying the French Foreign Legion, that person as a part of it, was saying that it was the French Foreign Legion that was on the ground that day.
02:58:04And I'm quite familiar with the Gendarmerie.
02:58:05Gendarmerie, however you say it, because one of my grail guns is.
02:58:10A Mannerin revolver that they use for like SWAT type scenarios because it doesn't matter if you limp wrist it and you can actually hold a shield, a bulletproof shield, and use these revolvers.
02:58:20So, the one of the few special forces who use revolvers in urban scenarios, I'm very familiar.
02:58:24The terms that she used were completely incorrect.
02:58:26If I would have received an email, I'd say this is a crazy person because she's literally wrong about everything.
02:58:54Andrew has presented look, Andrew has presented why he's 75% to 85% convinced that Tyler Robinson did it.
02:59:02You said 0% chance Tyler did it, 100% certainty that Israel and France.
02:59:10You have not presented a fraction of the evidence, even circumstantial, that has been presented for Tyler Robinson, but you say 0%, 100, and he's at 75.
02:59:26If I said, I have sources that claim none of that's true.
02:59:29In fact, my sources claim that her sources are lying.
02:59:32My sources claim that there is none of them believe that there's a conspiracy.
02:59:35My sources claim all of them really think that Tyler Robinson was a lone gunman.
02:59:40If I just said that as hypothetical, wouldn't you say, what?
02:59:43Yeah, I think what probably adds weight is like then when I drop photos of the car that no one was supposed to see, people go, okay, her sources are legit.
02:59:50So, and then when I'm what I say is about your source of the Covenant High School shooting things, people that Audrey Hale was sexually abused.
02:59:57When I say when you tried to refute us, and it turned out you lie the last days, and then I dropped the text message, which you've just learned about a couple of weeks ago of him saying he was leaving the pro Israel cause when everyone was lying about that.
03:00:08Then they say, I think Candace's sources are legit.
03:00:10So I think what's happened is I've actually gotten evidence that she presented to.
03:00:15Well, come on, don't now you make me look bad because you're presenting her strong case.1.00
03:01:05So let me just explain what I was answering here.
03:01:07And I think that you understood what I was saying I have, because people trust me, compiled a lot of information and presented it to the public.
03:01:17And this information has been proven true.
03:01:20We've presented photos, we have presented videos, never before seen stuff.
03:03:21One thing, though, that I am, I want to just directly ask you is do you actually believe that anybody in TPUSA or Erica Kirk or Erica actually participated, had foreknowledge of, or facilitated the murder of Charlie Kirk?
03:03:38I'm not going to get myself into a legal pickle here.
03:05:31Those two thoughts actually don't even follow.
03:05:33How would it be the case that even if Erica Kirk did believe that Tyler Robinson was 100% responsible for the death of Charlie Kirk, let's say she believed it with every fiber of her being.
03:05:43I know I shouldn't take that to debate me, but she's just kind of dealing with seven different kinds of us right now.
03:07:24And then when you sit across from somebody and you say, okay, great, I want to go out there and defend you now, I want people to know that you can't say this stuff publicly, but you know.
03:08:24So I'm going back in my head and I'm going, okay, so why is Erica saying with such a degree of certainty, like she was sent out to convince the public and people bit, by the way?
03:08:32I remember even Megyn Kelly was like, you know, let's wait.0.96
03:10:38The next thing that happens naturally when somebody lies to you, you go, when any person lies to you, whether it's a toddler, people only lie when they're trying to obscure something else.
03:11:01I didn't know if she was going to be like, I'm so overwhelmed with everything, you know, and I don't know who to trust the organization, and I don't know what I'm doing.
03:12:49I actually don't understand what she's, do you think she's complicit in?0.95
03:12:53Yeah, so when I say Erica's complicit, and that's my opinion, when you tweeted Erica's too retarded to kill her husband, would you like to explain how you developed your evidence, your positive evidence for the fact that Erica was retarded?0.94
03:15:29If you reach out in good faith and you're not demonizing them and saying that they're complicit in the murder of people's deaths, that perhaps they're actually willing to release things to you that are pertinent, other than thinking that, you know, perhaps you're diabolical.
03:15:42I feel like if I was going to release that information, I didn't demand that it be released to me.
03:15:48I actually never demanded that it be released.
03:15:49I just simply said that this is what was going on in the last 48 hours.
03:15:54Everyone who knows, I have so much inside baseball that I've never talked about, both with TPUSA, the Wilsons, and with people who have worked.
03:16:01For and with Candace Owens at Daily Wire as well as outside of Daily Wire.
03:16:07And I have never brought forth information that I wouldn't be able to confirm to you, either through naming the source or being able to confirm to a third party.
03:16:19And TP, there have been some people at TPUSA who have given me information, and they said, well, but this is not public or something that perhaps may be waiting until trial.
03:16:32That's the agreement, and that's how you build trust.
03:16:34That's why we have sources everywhere, and Candace has not.
03:16:36That if you're talking about terrible PR, you know that there's a huge debate that's coming up that's going to be probably one of the most viewed that year.
03:16:43And one of the debaters calls you and says, I'm taking this position.
03:16:46This is the position that I feel like there's the most evidence for.
03:16:50And Candace also agreed to answer many of my questions in regards to this.
03:16:54So if you got pertinent evidence here that I can use, I'd definitely like to take a look.
03:17:00It really was actually amazing to me how if you approach people in good faith and just say, Hey, I'd actually like to know what the facts and details are around this.
03:19:28I'm pointing out that they're, by the way, she's not qualified to take over his company.
03:19:33There's always objections to each situation.
03:19:37Erica Kirk is not qualified, and she's doing the best that she can.
03:19:40Erica Kirk is like, I'm still just as critical of feminism inside of TPUSA as I've always been, and I'm just as critical of any pro Zionist position as I've ever been.
03:19:51By the way, I would think it's the most rational, reasonable thing on planet Earth to do if you wanted to actually see an organization change.
03:20:00To try to work with leadership or reach out to leadership to try to do so.
03:20:04Doesn't that make the most amount of sense?0.99
03:20:05I would like to state for the record that I think Erica is underqualified to run the organization.
03:20:12And on the more emotional aspects, I agree with what seems to be a majority opinion, because I'm not going to say it's scientific, that any woman that would leave her kids and go right into the office after their husband was publicly assassinated would be a priority.
03:20:28I also think that a woman writing the book, and by the way, Inside Baseball, she told Andrew in a private message that she.
03:20:34Quote, wrote the book on feminism, to which Andrew responded, No, my wife did, the one that people read.
03:20:40She wrote the book on feminism, Make Him a Sandwich.1.00
03:20:43I also think that Candace Owens is unqualified to write that, considering that she lives like a girl boss.1.00
03:20:48So I agree with her that Erica Kirk probably shouldn't be in that position.1.00
03:20:57As it would happen with a pet and explosives, as we've demonstrated to you in the past, it accidentally, because of how Charlie was crouched, Went up and hit his neck.
03:21:14It's the reason why Terrell then had to scramble to get the cameras down because they were never supposed to see it.
03:21:20They could have said reasonably that a 30 yacht six got eaten by Charlie, much more reasonably, obviously, than saying that the chicken bones in his neck stopped it because he ate vegetables.
03:21:49Once, that's why she would have gotten on the phone with Terrell so quickly because I was going, why is Terrell saying, well, I didn't want Erica to relive Oba.
03:22:23I didn't, but it's fine to ask if you found the clip.
03:22:25I found the clip of her saying that Erica's stylist hates her.
03:22:27So we're going to combine that with her statement earlier saying, you notice I didn't do what other people did, questioning her outfits and stuff.
03:22:32Literally a clip of her saying, Erica's stylist hates her.
03:23:18That there was overwhelming evidence Tyler Robinson did not kill Charlie Kirk and is being set up as a patsy.
03:23:25So, I'm walking them in order for that to have legs, you need to present an alternative that is more likely because she said zero percent.
03:23:33Right now, she has not presented any, she said that she refuses to.
03:23:36Let's continue in the hypothetical right here.
03:23:39Uh, and you're now introducing this if that's the case, if you're just hypothetically exploring it, that's why I'm just asking directly.
03:23:45Yes, but if you but that's obvious when you watch this episode, so that's why it feels like I'm in the middle of an interview with CNN when they like pull up random clips and they're like, What's this?
03:24:41In fact, there's videos where the shot rings out.
03:24:43Anytime a logical fallacy is used, anytime gold folks are removed, anytime Candace mentions the word, anytime there's a personal attack, Candace mentions Dragon's Secret Minderhood, or Patrick Fett David lands a zinger.
03:24:54Also, if there was a targeted projectile, explosive like that, it would happen.
03:28:35You think that an explosion generally has smoke?
03:28:39I don't think that there's any quality version of video that would get us to be able to answer that question other than Terrell's 4K footage that he has.
03:29:08I presented the evidence of what was in the car and I also.
03:29:10All right, so first things first, before we go on with this, let's have that.
03:29:13Do we have what she just said earlier that she didn't question the outfits and stuff from Erica Kirk and then the video of her saying her stylist hates her?
03:29:36I wasn't doing that, I was talking about other things.
03:29:39Here's a clip of Candace doing just that.0.90
03:29:41I always try to stay away from the pettier things about Erica that don't register as right, but I just go, okay, it's a little too petty when people talk about her outfits, wearing the glitter pants, and things like that.0.92
03:29:52Yeah, it does kind of build a profile of somebody.
03:29:55I personally just say that I think her stylist is just deeply dislikes her, whoever it is, deeply.
03:31:23Well, I just feel like five minutes ago you were arguing that it was making sense to be there now, guys, together at the end of this I feel, versus wouldn't you think or wouldn't one assume, wouldn't it stand to reason versus I feel, That's the theme of today.
03:32:26He is not seen as very credible, and he's actually been taken off of some positions either, I can't remember if they were boards, things like that, because he has been known to exaggerate.
03:32:36I'm not saying that he wasn't a Navy SEAL.
03:32:37I'm not saying that he doesn't know what he's talking about as it relates to anything firearm related.
03:32:41I am saying that he is seen as an unreliable source because he has a tendency to exaggerate, and that is the basis, the entire basis of her claim.
03:32:52Do we have any other fact checks that we want to, or we have Gerald?
03:34:24And to his credit, he's not taking just like, hey, if this is just something that was said, you actually have to say, like, this was said on this episode.
03:34:30But to be fair, I've got to wager that a majority of them are coming from you because the clips that we have seen seem to be coming from us straight through.
03:34:38There's quite a bit that I'm putting in there for sure.
03:36:24Could you please answer on Erica Kirk Epstein?
03:36:26Okay, just go through because right now I think it's more important to establish a pattern as opposed to getting lost in the weeds that she gives an answer for nothing.
03:36:36So, right now, I would say if I were advising him, go for broke, especially people just gloss past the communist Mormons and no one's discussed that she was wrong about the Egyptian planes and said she would correct it.
03:36:47I want to know if there's something there.
03:36:49I think everybody wants the answers, but I think what we're saying is she's doing what she's done on her show.
03:36:53Dances around it, makes innuendos while I'm saying this, or I'm just inference, or I'm just thinking about these things, and isn't really having her feet held to the fire on these things.
03:37:01So, hopefully, that can happen in this last little segment here, and we'll see how it goes.
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03:43:56They just looked pretty and kayaked for no reason.
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03:44:32And they're going to pull it up just to have you respond to it.
03:44:34Well, you don't have to play it because, like, if you're saying that when I initially watched it, I. Thought that Lance Twiggs's DNA, like he was directly responding to that because the testimony was a bit confusing.
03:44:43They started by saying that they were going to, like, explaining how they got the samples, and they said Lance, Matt, and Amber Robinson, how they got their DNA samples.
03:44:55And then they started speaking about the gun and said, you know, multiple prints were found on them.
03:45:01And then they moved and they said Lance Twiggs's DNA was found on the screwdriver.
03:45:05When I went back and rewatched it, I realized, well, they haven't officially said that Lance or Amber are on the gun.
03:45:11So I think I've already conceded that we don't know that.
03:45:13So, I think like, but if you're, if you want to, well, no, this is directly you saying it is on the gun.
03:45:21I'm saying that I feel like I've already said to you, like, I've made that concession.1.00
03:45:25Just to be clear, whenever I make a mistake, I just correct it.
03:45:28So, that's why when you were asking me three times, I've already said we don't know yet, and I've corrected that mistake.
03:45:34So, if the purpose of you showing this is to demonstrate that Candace makes mistakes sometimes when she's taking in a lot of information and she's reading through legal documents and she's trying to remember nine hour testimony.
03:46:08It got very scientific when they were speaking about this.
03:46:11And I think I wrongly extrapolated that they meant all three of them were on the prints when the only person they officially named was Matt Robinson.
03:46:17So we don't know yet if, um, Lance Twiggs has his DNA on the gun officially just yet.
03:48:35It creates out to the ethos that this should be happening because something's wrong here, when you actually don't have the knowledge that anything's wrong at all.
03:48:44I just think that my opinion is that she should be sat down and questioned.
03:49:04You don't bring someone in for questioning saying, like, well, I believe that Tyler Robinson did it, which everyone does.
03:49:11Sorry, there's a reason she turned me down.
03:49:14As you can see, We have not planned any other clips for Andrew.
03:49:18I expressed to him that what we were going to do was just to use people for fact checks, and because I might not remember something, or I remember something and you're saying no.
03:49:26And that is what I think will register to people as very fair.
03:49:30We did not take out of context clips of Andrew to try to reply.0.98
03:49:36You used a reply tweet and brought up a tweet from his wife from 15 years ago, bitch.0.82
03:49:42He brought up direct clips of you in context.0.93
03:49:46Saying that Erica Kirk needs to be dragged in for questioning and that you could say with certainty that she did something and that the leadership of TPUSA betrayed Charlie Kirk!
03:51:10Okay, but the point being is now you're veering into trying to get me to defend my opinions and then you completely shirk responsibility when I point out yours.
03:53:43Oh, you also said, yeah, it's not as degraded on the rifle.
03:53:46Yeah, because I thought he was one of the things.
03:53:48But I've already, that's what I mean when I say that.
03:53:50Like, it just seems like you're not actually here trying to engage because I, even before you got to this and I knew that you had some secret clip planned, I said to you.
03:58:28Because the truth is, right, if you want to win right now, what you would just do is you go seven charges, you go bing, For more proof, see my appearances on Piers Morgan.
04:00:58I have said several times that I have never said I have the receipt for the steakhouse.
04:01:02I have said the person who's working on that story is going to be forthcoming with the receipt, and that was what I was responding to, and he then dropped the receipt.
04:01:43The person working on this story that blurred that out is what I was referring to when I said stay tuned and keep following his stuff because he went to go do what I hadn't done, which was he interviewed the actual server.
04:01:54So there's no evidence that Tyler was at that steakhouse.
04:01:56Does this mean or does Candace have Hakeem Olajuwon hands?
04:01:59Yeah, I can't figure it out, but I said earlier, I said weird hands.
04:02:03Because she's very tiny, because Andrew's not a big guy, he'll tell you.
04:02:06She's much smaller than him, but she got them big hands.
04:02:47Andrew is a more skilled debater than I am, but my approach would be to seek the truth because I would like to know if there's any credence to those theories.
04:05:14I think that as you were just grilling me about whether or not I'd got the merchant receipt for a debit card, that kind of makes difficult that we just have to sort of trust that a screwdriver was found and we don't have any should be evidence of a police body cam.
04:05:29But like I said, you accept that stuff and then are like, did you call the merchant and get like it?
04:05:34So it seems like you hold the prosecution to a.
04:05:46Can we also see if Gerald could maybe get us an interview with Andrew at the end of this?
04:05:50I know he'll be probably tired and want to talk with his lovely wife, who, by the way, may be like the best woman in all of social media out there because she just does it and then disappears and does mom stuff.0.87
04:06:54You said you've never criticized Erica Kirk's outfits, and I literally have you saying that her stylist hates her because her outfits suck.0.82
04:07:12I always try to stay away from the petty things about Erica that don't register as right, but I just go, okay, it's a little too petty when people talk about her outfits or wearing the glitter pants and things like that.
04:07:23Yeah, it does kind of build a profile of somebody.
04:07:26I personally just say that I think her stylist is just deeply dislikes her, whoever it is, deeply dislikes her.
04:07:32Yeah, and here's the beauty of not making the claim that I'm morally more virtuous.
04:07:56That this was actually Tyler Robinson's receipt, and yet inside of Candace Owens' timeline, which she states over and over again, when she says, This is the longest 13 hours, this is 13 and a half hours, the requirement for about what, roughly five and a half, six hours of that?
04:08:28And that's why, like I said, If you think this builds up a rapport with your audience and makes you seem like a serious person, we don't have to keep belaboring the point here.
04:08:36I feel like I've demonstrated that I just.
04:10:30I love that I can make fun of Patrick Bet David and do an impression and do it behind his back as well as in front of him and Andrew Wilson and still have relationships with him.
04:12:45Doesn't mean that he thinks that Israel doesn't have basically the right to defend themselves as opposed to some predestined claim to that land.
04:12:52So you'll see all these claims that he's paid for by Israel.
04:12:54I think she's going to be more aggressive.
04:12:56I think she's going to then go to her audience and paint it as a way that it didn't actually transpire.1.00
04:13:46And even though Tim is clearly on the spectrum and he hates people and he pees in jars and has long nails, the effort that everyone here puts in, we don't just do We'll Be Right Back, commercials and sketches and things that are better than legacy media.
04:14:01So, can everyone please just send a thank you, not to me, but to these folks here who make it happen?
04:14:06It's not easy to get clips in in real time.
04:14:08It's not easy to get these commercials up and running.
04:14:12I used to have to write everything myself.
04:14:13So grateful that I get to sit down with people whose company I enjoy.
04:14:17We write it, that we have a production team that everyone here, wouldn't you feel embarrassed, Noodles, if all we had was a We'll Be Right Back?
04:16:33After all, you know, you did a change my mind on campus with the font and logo after we asked you not to do it.
04:16:39Before we wrap it up, I think whether you're a fan of Andrew or not, whether you're a fan of Candace or not, nobody can dispute the fact that these guys agreed to sit down and talk live.
04:16:51Others were thinking this was pre recorded.
04:16:53This is not pre recorded, just so everybody knows.
04:18:48And the continuous kind of expression we're running an investigation.
04:18:54What kind of investigation builds a timeline out on a receipt that they don't even confirm?
04:19:00What kind of investigation tries to make these bold claims?0.99
04:19:04I would add to this she absolutely criticizes and she demonizes, villainizes.
04:19:09Any other investigations like we had Jay Varma, like we had Nashville Manifesto, like we had DOJ Donald Trump, like we had with the bullet engravings on Charlie Kirk.
04:19:19And she accuses anyone who actually has conclusive evidence of investigations of being feds.
04:20:38First time I've heard her back away from the Erica thing, back away from TPUSA, being very cynical about the Twigs.0.99
04:20:43Well, there's a lot of people out there who are kind of, you need a better champion because you make the, Claims far more aggressively than Candace does.0.99
04:21:01It probably signifies what I've been saying from the beginning that you didn't feel that you were strong on the actual facts and the evidence, which I was willing to engage with you.
04:21:09I wanted to go over the screwdriver, I wanted to go over the talent and things that you've mentioned, and you wanted to then move the conversation into a defense of Erica Kirk and her character.
04:21:20And what I've said about Erica, which is the guy called her retarded, and I have not edited that opinion after discussing with you.
04:21:26Um, I would like to extend a compliment to you for being willing to sit down and to have the conversation for $300,000 at your house in your basement.0.71
04:21:35Feeling that the people who are jumping on the bandwagon about this case don't care about this case, they don't care about Erica Kirk.
04:21:43It tends to be follow that they take a meeting with Turning Point USA and they come out and suddenly have a lot of junk to say about Candace Owens.
04:22:23That's responsive to your claims in this moment, and that needs to be recognized.
04:22:28Was in any way overwhelming, which is why I think you wanted to move to end that discussion quickly and to speak to me about France and to talk about this Panguitch receipt and my timeline.
04:22:40I want to remind people that a lot of the at home investigators, which you were open.
04:23:09I think anybody who watches my show or even just watched this debate knows that if I get something wrong, I'll instantly correct it and own it.
04:23:25Part of being a well meaning person is to concede when you are wrong, to take something off a timeline when you know it's not right.
04:23:32And I would like to think that that is why I have earned the audience that continues to follow me because they know my heart's in the right place, that I deeply cared about Charlie and I deeply care about the answers.
04:23:41I want to thank Andrew's team who are providing the fact that I'm not watching his show.
04:23:46I want to, as always, thank my team who worked really hard to make this happen and flip this set.
04:23:50And to you, PBD, just for being a great moderator, I think very fair, letting us both speak and making sure that Andrew got out of this what he wanted, which is a little more than what I wanted, but I'm very content with how I dealt with this.
04:24:05I trust I don't need to convince the audiences with the magic trick of what they need to think about this debate.
04:24:10They can watch it and draw their own conclusions.
04:24:15And again, from the beginning, all of this is because of how much love and respect we have for Charlie Kirk, a great man that's no longer here with us.
04:24:23His one year anniversary is coming up here.
04:24:25I can't believe it's that quick that it's here.
04:24:42And by the way, most importantly, go check the references as we make them available every single show.
04:24:46And today, we will provide every single fact check that we have gone over, and including some fact checks that we didn't have time for.
04:24:52And that's where you can hit the give, send, go, because I will tell you, it was a lot for Andrew to make it out there, go to her basement, get travel arranged, $300,000.
04:25:00So, you know, you can throw some support if you want to see these debates.
04:25:03You will only see these debates take place when people like Andrew show up for free, or I would show up for free.
04:25:09And people like Candace get paid half a million dollars or $300,000.
04:26:50We do have to put up that cost because it's $10,000 to the charity of their choice or the school, whatever department of the school that they want, just so you can see debates versus actual professors.
04:27:01I'm not going to pay a ransom because I've done enough debates and people can either do it, we can have a conversation, or not.
04:27:06But I do understand that it was necessary, and my hat's off to Andrew for doing so.
04:27:10We will provide the references that, of course, is something we do every show.
04:27:13And I would ask that Andrew do that with his show, if he doesn't already, and that Candace does that with her show.
04:27:18We do that so that we don't find ourselves.
04:27:23Let me go through a few claims here that were made, and then we'll, I mean, we'll take your chats.
04:27:27But she claims, so claim, that the prosecution has this incredibly weak case because the evidence presented at the preliminary hearing wasn't, quote, a slam dunk, and it was all hearsay.
04:27:37The truth, preliminary hearing is not a trial.
04:27:40Hearsay, by the way, is not always admissible, but reliable hearsay, that's the reason for the hearing taking place before the trial.
04:27:48The jury is going to hear all the evidence.
04:27:56Robinson's dad said when wife showed him footage that the shooter looked like his son and he advised him to speak with a youth pastor.
04:28:04In other words, he didn't willingly turn him in, but there is a matter of record where his dad said, yep, that looks like my son and I spoke with my son about it.
04:28:10Here's a Candace claim that she made today.
04:28:13The only claim that she made, or sorry, I never claimed anything about Erica Kirk when they showed it.
04:28:17She said, well, you're taking it out of context.
04:28:19I was saying that Erica was complicit, not in Charlie being killed, nor TPUSA.
04:28:25I said she was complicit in saying that Tyler Robinson did it.
04:28:31The truth, let's play that montage that I believe came from Milk Bar.
04:30:11I actually, this is why I did not engage in any like Erica, everyone's questioning what she's wearing and all this stuff.
04:30:17I was like, I'm gonna wait here because I don't know, just it feels weird.
04:30:22I always try to stay away from the petty things about Erica that don't register as right, but I just go, okay, it's a little too petty when people talk about her outfits, wearing the glitter pants and things like that.
04:30:33Yeah, it does kind of build a profile of somebody.
04:30:36I personally just say that I think her stylist is just deeply dislikes her, whoever it is, deeply dislikes her.
04:30:41Well, if you take it out of context, by the way, I think leather pants and sparklers was a bad look.
04:31:05The questions I wanted answered, and I would like to know if you feel as though you had this answered because I believe, you know, this is what most of you wanted answered.
04:32:13A Polish underground symbol, like a Polish communist underground symbol that nobody would have recognized outside of people who know what it meant.
04:36:08The debate goals, every single one of them was accomplished.
04:36:12So, it was we knew going in would be Operation Letter Speak, and we knew that she'd contradict herself, and we knew that she would have zero evidence.
04:36:22I wish we could have gotten into a lot more of it, but she was, it was very obvious to everybody there that if she was getting pushed any harder than she was, that she was going to just, we weren't going to get anywhere.
04:36:35That's actually a question that I had because there were the one criticism that I would have, and I know, you know, you'll say I'm a dick and I'll say you're a dick, is at the end I would have rapid fired, like, okay, how about the Mormon communists training him?0.87
04:36:45How about the, but it seemed like, and I've had to do this with some conversations or debates, you guys were concerned that she might just throw the table over if you went a little too aggressively.0.91
04:37:23Well, I don't know if you probably didn't see because, by the way, I hate to tell you this, but we had to use Candace's stream from YouTube because yours was like.
04:37:2920 seconds later, and people were complaining.
04:39:06Like, hey, you can interrogate my claims as much as you want for the hour and a half, but I was very adamant that we got the last hour and a half of actual runtime so that I could get into her claims.
04:39:19People from their end, they think it was like five hours, but with all the ads and breaks and everything else, it was actually only like three and a half hours.1.00
04:39:49But you know that there are people who will already agree with you no matter what, people who will agree with her no matter what, then there are some who have ears to hear, eyes to see.
04:39:56How do you think that needle will be moved from today?
04:40:02Well, I think it's the beginning of a snowball effect.
04:40:05So now that she's been challenged, I think, and had to give an accounting for the evidence, did a very poor job, I think that more of them will feel compelled to do more of these debates, or at least I'm hoping so.
04:40:18And I think that that'll create the snowball effect.
04:40:22But ultimately, there wasn't a need to push back too much on too many things because she just admitted that she didn't have any evidence for anything.
04:41:01So, in other words, if people out there are going, we're with you, Candace, go Max, they need a new champion because she absolutely did cower back.
04:41:14There's nowhere, in other words, there was nowhere I needed to go to demonstrate what it was I was trying to demonstrate, which is that these people have lots and lots of claims.
04:41:23And the second they're confronted with them, they back off on all of them.
04:42:42Ultimately, what matters is if she has any sort of evidence.
04:42:46So, the first half of the debate, I remember laughing last night, and I was like, you know, because the trial's not here and this and that, we're really just arguing our opinions on this evidence, right?
04:43:15These various people want to kill, you know, blah, And they never have any evidence for any of that.
04:43:21And that was what was important to demonstrate.
04:43:23Well, I think it's also important to demonstrate, like we talked about this, this is me being selfish, but, you know, she has called into question our actual investigative journalism, like so the Covenant shooting, right, with Audrey Hale, where she said, actually, my source, I'm glad I did my due diligence, she was sexually abused, wasn't actually true.
04:43:38Where she said, I was a Fed, our engravings on the bullets, by the way, turned out to be true.
04:43:43Jay Varma, COVID architect, turned out to be true.
04:45:32The one thing that I did find funny is at the end, she was like, Well, we agreed to have these fact checkers, but not to just take clips out of context.
04:46:09If it's the case that you have problems with state evidence, that's fair, but you should also have problems with the anti evidence people as well.
04:46:16When they're like, hey, we can just make tons of claims and never have any evidence for any of them, that's insane.
04:46:42If you thought that I did a good job today, you want to support me walking into the lion's den, that's a great place to do it.
04:46:49Also, for those of you who don't know, and I'm going to just say this real quick, even though it's going to embarrass the shit out of him, Steven's, of course, been a great friend to me, and he's supported me 100% of the way.
04:47:00This entire time, he's supported me 100% of the way.0.96
04:47:03Unfortunately, though, he did send dumbass Gerald out here.0.98
04:48:49That Candace didn't come across really well, and the people who are diehards will say, Andrew tried gotchas, and ignore the fact that they brought up a tweet that was 15 years old from his wife or some at reply.
04:50:38He's not a bird lawyer, but he knows a lot about birds.
04:50:41He came in ready to think that I was like going to just hate him, but that's because he worked in conservative media for a long time and they basically train up your replacements to fire you.
04:50:49And we became friends when I realized, hey, Tim's really good at what he does.
04:51:41And by the way, she ended up winning $37,000.0.67
04:51:43I'm going to show you how Candace built her fortune.
04:51:46I received a slew of messages from the Democrat governor of Connecticut's son, Mr. Daniel Malloy.
04:51:55And at the time, he was the mayor of Stanford.
04:51:57And his son, along with three other boys, referred to me as the N word, threatened to tar and feather my family, and put a bullet in the back of my head, like they did to Martin Luther King.
04:52:08This is a story that's not often spoken about.
04:52:58I'm the CEO of Degree180.com, here answering your questions.
04:53:02And so, this site, you can check all the references.
04:53:04We make those available, link in the description, as we do every single show.0.97
04:53:08She celebrated the eventual death of the Republican Tea Party, which was obviously backlash to Barack Obama, who she very passionately supported, ran anti Trump pieces, including a whole bunch of pieces about his penis size.0.72
04:53:21A lot of that actually came from one of the sites that she ran.
04:53:29Here's a spring of 2016, again, how she built her fortune social autopsy.1.00
04:53:34Kickstarter is what she had for a public searchable database of, quote, awful, nasty comments on social media, specifically from conservatives who were misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, racist.
04:53:47In other words, she was pitching Kickstarter.
04:53:50Her shark tank was, hey, let's create a site that gives the names, photos, Employment information of conservatives with a right leaning point of view to destroy their lives.
04:57:01Blexit, that's how a lot of you maybe knew her.
04:57:03And I will offer up, hopefully, a fair criticism of Charlie Kirk.
04:57:07I've got to imagine his researchers knew when Candace said, hey, we're launching Blexit, that she had stolen that.
04:57:14That had existed from 2016 while she was still a liberal.
04:57:17Predated her by a good long period of time, but she did decide to commercialize it, fundraise off of it, and say, hey, I'm Mrs. Blexit.
04:57:28Today in this room, I'm so excited because we are going to launch in front of the world a movement, a movement that will forever be remembered as a piece of American history, a movement called Blexit, the Black Exit.
04:57:43Now bring up Collage E, it existed back to 2060.0.59
04:57:46So she definitely didn't create it, but she profited off of it.
04:57:55Also, there was quite a bit of reporting, not someone showed me, someone said there were receipts showing that there was an unbelievable amount of personal compensation to Candace with Plexit and the organizations with very low donations in comparison.
04:58:10Meaning, if you were to have a third party audit it, they would say, well, this is basically a slush fund.
04:59:36They are truly indistinguishable from the Southern racists that I remember from my childhood, where they would say, no, no, no, we don't want blacks and whites marrying.0.99
04:59:45We don't want blacks and whites together.0.80
04:59:47That is exactly what you now have from the left.1.00
04:59:51So if you believe in a black dorm, you're a leftist, not a liberal.0.95
05:00:10So I would say the argument could be made that leftists have hijacked liberalism and they've used liberalism as a vehicle to assign their progressivism.
05:00:45I love the idea of preaching what you practice because, and that's what I've always seen, the Jewish community is tremendously conservative and there is a community.
05:00:54Here's a collage, by the way, with her attending the U.S. Embassy opening in Jerusalem.
05:00:58And telling people who didn't support it that America, Israel would never forget.
05:01:06She was very, very, very pro Israel, platformed pro Israel people, and of course took money from nonprofits that would have obviously been notoriously pro Israel.
05:01:15This is after she said she was a liberal, went back to being a conservative.
05:01:46The arbitrator awarded the landlord about $17,000 in unpaid rent.
05:01:51Now, remember when I opposed the Daily Wire contracts, not because I disagree with Daily Wire on everything politically, I probably agree with them on more than I disagree with them.
05:01:59She talked about obviously how anyone who criticized Daily Wire was a shill, how I was a horrible person.
05:02:05She tried to insert herself into Personal affairs with no verification whatsoever.
05:02:09She tried to discredit our Nashville manifesto, the shooting.0.99
05:02:13Then, of course, when she left after taking the checks, she escalated only after leaving.
05:02:21Only after leaving the financial umbrella of pro Israel and donors and her checks, the rhetoric that some would criticize as anti Semitic.
05:02:29Candace Owens and conservative website The Daily Wire have officially broken up.
05:02:34Friday morning, The Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring posted on X Daily Wire and Candace Owens have ended their relationship.
05:02:44On the circumstances that led to this shift, Owens has been outspoken in her commentary about Jewish people in politics, in the media, and her support for Palestine.
05:02:53So, comparing that just with myself, just so we actually have a personal comparison, going from 2007 onward, you can see me as a young man in front of a blue bed sheet, taping on a digital 8 camera, being conservative, conservative, conservative, conservative, obviously becoming more polished or becoming more experienced as far as the delivery mechanism.
05:03:54And yes, she is set for life because she did marry into money, which, by the way, I'm sure is just a coincidence.
05:04:00Also, it's only alleged, only alleged that she was living with some other guy for years until she immediately, within 18 days, took the engagement with super, super wealthy heritage of British lords, George Farmer.
05:04:41Question for crew Do you think that Candace will claim she won this debate while claiming to be a victim and claim she gave evidence she didn't have?1.00
05:04:48What do you think this means for her fan base?1.00
05:04:55She claimed it, trying to end it early.0.88
05:04:57She said, you obviously aren't very confident in your thing because, you know, your wife said that you were an army sniper 15 years ago, and I'm going to hold you to that, but you shouldn't hold me to my exact specific claims with latitude, longitude, and time codes that were wrong.
05:05:12She not only will do that, she'll claim that Andrew didn't honor the terms, that there was something that was pulled on her, a fast one.
05:05:58She said that these fact check videos that we were sending in, or that we were helping send in, and that Andrew was providing was all just secret clips and chopped up clips.
05:06:30She does not want to face you in person because the main reason is because she's said so many things about you in the past not related to this subject.
05:06:46She hasn't and she won't, and it would have been a huge problem.
05:06:48And it might have been bad for Andrew if you were there, honestly.
05:06:50Yeah, so I didn't want to go, but Gerald did.
05:06:54We all had to have a meeting yesterday to kind of put that together last minute.
05:06:57So we apologize if there were any glitches.
05:06:59But, you know, yeah, and to be as straightforward as possible, I do want the truth out of this.
05:07:06And I don't, my bias is I don't believe that Candace is being truthful at all.
05:07:10Just like she wasn't truthful when she tried to insert herself and take part in the extortion, allegedly, of my private divorce that was.
05:07:17Legally held private, and then only as a matter of court record, is one example where there was no infidelity or abuse, which of course was implied the opposite.
05:07:25She inserted herself trying to claim that I was fed or being fed information from the feds, whereas I've actually been subpoenaed and investigated by the feds.
05:07:47I would have liked a little bit more kind of.
05:07:49Laser questioning at the end from Andrew, but you know, I understand too sometimes you have someone who can be skittish and they'll run off and they'll just blow everything up.
05:08:29There's plenty of evidence to suggest that she is incorrect.
05:08:33There is none to suggest that she has any type of evidence or inside sources that is unique or would be considered correct by any objective standard, certainly not a court of law.0.81
05:09:51It's a totally different thing than just questioning things.0.99
05:09:54It's so not in good faith that you have to go, Okay, what's the flash of genius moment where you went from.
05:09:59Running to the NAACP, running to Kickstarter to start an anti conservative doxing website, running to run an anti Trump, anti conservative blog, to being pro Israel, to then being anti.
05:10:12It's like my eyes were opened, but four or five times.
05:11:00It says that debate was basically unwatchable, but what is truly striking is how Charlie Kirk has become a background character in the endless soap opera about his own murder.
05:11:10The story now revolves around the raging narcissist Candace Owens and the mass psychosis she has induced.
05:11:16Yeah, you know, I think that's a valid point.
05:11:19We also had a conversation today like, well, you know, how somber should this tone be because there was a guy who was assassinated?
05:11:25And it's like, well, that's not in our control because Candace has turned it into a circus.
05:11:30And the only way to deal with a circus is to mock it.
05:11:33So, yeah, I think Nick makes a good point there.
05:11:37It doesn't mean I agree with him on everything, but credit where it's due.
05:12:07Of the New World Order, and not because the Macrones are liberals and socialists, and they are, and I don't like them, but because she's wrong, because they proved to her that she was wrong, because she signed for the snail mail that proved she was wrong with birth certificates, newspaper clippings, evidence of the brother who she claimed Bridget Macron was, and they did in good faith many, many times ask her to stop before they sued her.0.72
05:12:27That's why, again, this is just gossip.0.60
05:12:29I have it on good authority that the Farmer family, Candace is not allowed at family functions.
05:12:34It's caused a lot of stress, it's caused fractures in the family.0.99
05:12:37Because they don't want to have to pay for her misdeeds.
05:12:40And she's really running around with a checkbook that she married into.0.59
05:14:37She wouldn't be able to do it because no one actually cares what Candace thinks about anything.0.98
05:14:40They care if Candace has gotten something exclusive and she's convinced enough people that she has the ability to procure investigative journalism and she doesn't.
05:15:36Question for crew Do you think Candace would actually admit it if Andrew was able to even slightly convince her that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk?
05:15:49If she went, Oh my gosh, this trial is just an absolute massacre, and everyone is now seeing that it's clear Tyler Robinson did it, she would switch it and she would say, See, I am able to.
05:16:03To admit when I am wrong, and she would build a conspiracy up as to why she believed all the misinformation before, as opposed to taking accountability for being the purveyor of it.
05:17:07But the pathological avoidance of accountability and constantly trying to turn it on someone else so that you are, in fact, the victim.
05:17:15Does anyone here actually believe that Candace Owens is not an agent of chaos in comparison to the lawyers, in comparison to TPUSA, in comparison to other people who have been providing sources, references, and covering this diligently?
05:17:30Does anyone want to argue that Candace is more stable and less chaotic because she tried to make the case today that she is actually the beacon of stability?
05:17:38And everyone else is the ones who are wiffle waffling.0.93
05:19:27Bait is obviously winning out right now, where it's not really the most financially sensible thing to actually create a show, to actually write a show, to actually create content.
05:19:39What makes more sense is to simply aggregate content and put do you like and turn it into a short.
05:19:51And I will tell you this I say this as someone who is smart enough, not a genius.
05:19:58I say this as someone who is capable enough, not incredibly capable.
05:20:03I say this as someone who has to get up earlier and stay later and double check everything a few more times, cross my T's and dot my I's, because I believe it's necessary for me to do.
05:20:16Everyone has the ability to build up something, everyone starts from nothing.0.99
05:20:23And that's the problem with this whole black pilling.0.96
05:20:24Does it mean that you should compare yourself directly to someone else and be guaranteed that you'll reach that level?0.90
05:21:06And when you look into the creative arts, when you look into stand up, when you look into hosting, when you look into acting, you look into writing, that's one where the playing field is pretty evened by hard work, not just genetic gifts.
05:21:17So don't compare yourself directly to somebody else, but you can compare yourself directly to the starting point of a lot of people.
05:21:27Because barring trust funds, barring nepotism, and that's incredibly rare, everyone starts from zero.
05:21:34And you don't just have to wait until you build something up, you can do it every day.
05:21:39The most impactful things for me as far as minds change would be like the lady who cuts my hair.1.00
05:21:44I remember when I started, she was apolitical.
05:21:48I have people who I've worked with, just for example, in transportation.
05:21:52I have people who I've worked with who've come in who've just sort of helped book guests before.
05:21:57I can't tell you how many people I've had people who are friends of friends who I've talked with and they've tuned into a couple of shows and go, you know, they gave me something to think about.
05:22:03I have relatives where day to day interactions.
05:22:06I have a guy who actually helped me fix my pool when there was a giant flood.
05:22:22You can do it in your day to day and you can find solace and you can really take pride in that or at least a sense of accomplishment while in starting from zero, like almost everybody before you, you build up the platform and your ability to the best that you can be.
05:22:38And I would say more often than not, you'll surprise yourself with how much you can accomplish.
05:22:45In Candace's case, sometimes you can just surprise yourself with how much and how effectively you can lie.
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