00:06:21.000I'm trying to watch Loud Earth Crowder on the Rumble Live lineup.
00:06:28.000No, no, I cannot help you with the iron and board after because you know after this, I watch the Rumble Premium segment as an OG member of Mo Club.
00:06:41.000The crew raids over and we finish off with a little Tim Pool.
00:06:43.000You know it's my routine, Josephine, and when you mess with my routine, I get upset.
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00:08:04.000That's a weird conversation before the show.
00:11:42.000It's brought to me by my Secretary of State.
00:11:45.000And with it, I can participate in democracy.
00:11:49.000The first day that I can turn this in is June 25th, but it has to be postmarked by July 21st, or I can drop it off up until Election Day, which is August 4th.
00:12:01.000This is where they want the voting age reduced.
00:12:46.000He's clever at obfuscating and hiding things and trying to portray himself as more moderate, but then, of course, welcoming the support of people like Hassan Piker and the DSA.
00:12:54.000Like, he doesn't share all aspects of his life, he tries to hide certain aspects, like his extensive Quran collection.
00:13:01.000You're going to want to not get these things in the shot.
00:13:47.000But it's like the analogy that I've used this in the past.
00:13:50.000If, let's say, a girl does OnlyFans or she does something like that, you know, they used to call them like stag films in her teen years.
00:13:58.000And then she stops and she regrets it and she speaks out against it and she'll tell anyone who will listen that it was the worst decision of her life and she was tricked.
00:14:17.000The one who was spreading her legs doing the Instagram videos when she's saying, Hey, by the way, I'm traditional right now, and I think that conservative Christian women can do OnlyFans.0.99
00:14:26.000Well, you can't trust them because they're justifying it to you and lying in the moment, right?0.97
00:14:39.000Or maybe he's following one of the fundamental concepts of Islam.0.86
00:14:44.000Which is to designate non Muslim territories as places for soft conquest or conversion.0.86
00:14:51.000Like, that's a part of Islam, is if you don't, before you conquer them, live in their land and take over their systems, subvert them.0.99
00:14:58.000And if that doesn't work, then it's a hard conquering.0.99
00:15:01.000Remember, is it the 91 Muslim Brotherhood?0.67
00:15:04.000Their charter, I guess, enablement of Islam in North America laid this out as a blueprint for growing Islam.0.85
00:15:09.000It said the movement must plan and struggle to obtain the keys and the tools of this process.0.98
00:15:15.000In carrying out this grand mission as a civilization jihadist, the Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.0.98
00:15:32.000Now, keep in mind when they say God's religion, they mean the satanic one that is Islam.1.00
00:15:50.000So it's one thing for someone to say, hey, I was in a radical, you know, I don't know, I was in a radical Christian cult where we believed in child brides and stuff, and that's how I was raised, and I left it, and I speak out against it.1.00
00:17:16.000And I want to make sure people understand that this is the fundamental reason we have to look at Islam differently than other groups, other religions around the world.1.00
00:17:23.000They do want to take over from within.1.00
00:17:26.000They tried some of the hard stuff, it didn't work, but they've always wanted to come in and conquer this way.1.00
00:17:31.000Well, let's compare it to the Mormons.0.96
00:17:35.000And I just say this because the Mormons are very politically active.
00:17:38.000And they have realized that that's an important tenet of their faith.
00:17:41.000So, in places like Utah, you see, for example, certain propositions.
00:17:44.000I think Prop 22, they said, was funded by Mormons.
00:19:50.000Maybe you can clarify for me what you think Donald Trump's thought process was here as it relates to South Korea.
00:20:00.000My best guess is he's like, oh man, I'm losing some of my base because they see me as a war hawk.0.91
00:20:06.000So if I do this and say, hey, I don't want military exercises in South Korea, that'll sort of draw attention away from the debacle that Iran is becoming.0.98
00:22:19.000That's why it's hard sometimes to discern fact from fiction.
00:22:22.000Yes, fake news is going to do what they do anyway, but you don't need to give them layups.
00:22:26.000And yesterday, making these comments on the Korean Peninsula, he wrote okay, this is what he wrote on truth.
00:22:34.000Based on my very good relationship with Kim Jong un of North Korea, I am not happy with the fact that the United States has long ago agreed to participate in joint military exercises with South Korea.0.92
00:22:52.000These exercises are not only costly, but with much of these costs being paid for by the United States as usual, but send a signal that is totally inappropriate and hostile to a country that, as long as Donald J. Trump has been president, Has been unthreatening and respectful.
00:23:08.000Therefore, and based on the fact that it is too late to cancel, I've instructed Secretary of War Pete Eggsith to substantially reduce the joint military exercises.0.90
00:23:18.000While somewhat unrelated, I recently asked the President of South Korea if they would like to join us in the denuclearization of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and they said, no thanks, in their Korean way.0.55
00:23:34.000Thank you for your attention to this matter.
00:23:35.000By the way, the exercises, they cost us about 15 to 20 million dollars a year.
00:23:42.000North Korea, to be clear, I guess he can make the case if he wants to say they're not launching off missiles like it was the 4th of July, which they did as soon as Barack Obama became president.
00:23:52.000They immediately crap test presidents.0.60
00:23:54.000But outside of that, they still have picked the side when you're talking about Russia and Ukraine.0.98
00:24:31.000I think it's because he's mad at South Korea like he has been with a lot of our allies.0.82
00:24:34.000By the way, he had a much more valid case with Spain, with places like Italy, where they're saying, oh, we're not going to allow you to go over our airspace, right, when we're dealing with Iran.0.71
00:24:42.000I think this is probably him trying to pull the lever.0.57
00:24:45.000And let them know, hey, you guys are supposed to be our allies and you didn't help us with the Strait of Hormuz.
00:24:50.000And maybe he thinks it'll help bring North Korea to the negotiating table.
00:24:54.000Maybe he's upset that South Korea is moving in a little too close to China.0.63
00:24:58.000That one's the most, for me, that's the most likely scenario.
00:25:18.000Well, this is also why we put a timeline on Iran because the truth is, you know, if you're draining resources away from Asia, China is absolutely watching that.
00:25:27.000Not only with this, but with Ukraine and what was going on in Gaza, we were saying, hey, the shells that we're sending over to these people right now need to be saved in case something pops off with Taiwan.
00:25:36.000We don't want to send a bad message over there, much less pulling carriers out and kind of flicking the jab at our allies in the region.
00:25:44.000Yeah, it's been misstep after misstep in the recent, I'd say, last month for sure, and draining those resources.
00:25:49.000Look, You're doing it in a place where no one's happy about it, and you're taking them from a place where you could actually help take care of our national security in a way that would be quite a bit more quiet.
00:26:52.000The president indicating that the U.S. naval blockade is continuing to put new economic pressure on the Iranian regime, despite what the Iranians have said publicly.
00:27:02.000He said they're good poker players, but they're dying, and that the midterms in the United States have nothing to do with the president's thinking.
00:27:09.000Well, they should have something to do with the president's thinking because that'll affect what he's able to do or what anyone is able to do in Iran, period.0.66
00:27:16.000And that'll determine the direction of our country.
00:27:19.000And he's losing the capital that he had after the success in Venezuela, after the success that he had with the first Iran strikes.0.77
00:29:17.000And like I said, I will always grant the benefit of the doubt on national security issues because I know that I do not have all the information at hand.
00:29:23.000And we didn't have all that information regarding the first Iran strike.0.89
00:29:25.000But if you were to ask me right now, nope, hate, bad, it's gone badly.
00:29:28.000People saying, well, shouldn't all, no, the people saying that this was a betrayal, the people that were saying that this was a never ending war and that it's only for Israel.
00:29:36.000And I stand by my statement that if this goes longer than two months, especially if the communication is not clear, it's going to be immensely unpopular.
00:29:45.000And once you get past that three month mark, it seems like this may be a never ending low kind of middle grade conflict.
00:29:53.000And that's not good for the United States.
00:29:54.000It hasn't benefited the United States in any way.1.00
00:29:56.000It doesn't mean that Iran was not any kind of a threat.1.00
00:29:59.000But there needs to be a beginning, middle, and end and an exit strategy.1.00
00:30:29.000But still, they weren't sounding the alarm too high.
00:30:31.000The Epstein files, some people were yelling about that, but that's mostly what I'm seeing on X. I'm not seeing it in a lot of news coverage or anything like that.
00:30:38.000But the Iran war was something where they're like, that's it.0.61
00:30:55.000Even if Israel had zero, and this isn't the case, but even if they had zero to do with the deal not being reached, they set them up to look like they had everything to do with the deal not being reached.0.94
00:31:03.000It's like, if you're trying to set Israel up, this is the very best way to do it.0.90
00:31:07.000Now, trust me, Israel probably had a hell of a lot to do with why we don't have a deal, but there's no clear exit strategy and not even a win, but there's no clear, just, we're just going to be done.1.00
00:31:17.000No, and the worst part is that they keep trying to trick us, you know?0.90
00:31:57.000Because the other thing is, it would be one situation if, let's say, oil prices were high, but there was a very clear threat eliminated.0.94
00:32:04.000The problem is, like you said, Iran is set up, the regime is set up so that it's a game of whack a mole.0.94
00:32:09.000It seems like the threat, if people even accept the premise that there was a threat.0.96
00:32:14.000And I believe that Iran is a consistent threat, by the way, to the stability of the world, period, because these people would love nothing more than to wipe us off the map, as well as Israel.0.96
00:32:21.000Even if not, just having a nuclear bomb would make the Strait of Hormuz way worse than what we are seeing right now.0.99
00:32:29.000I don't know that we're any closer to having neutered them because it seems like they just, it's like an anthill and they just build it right back up.
00:32:38.000So this administration does, oh, they can't do the Biden thing and just go, no, no, it's going great and ignore it.
00:33:25.000That's, in my experience, most of the folks in the United States of America right now.
00:33:30.000And if you believe they're wrong, so you have people like Ben Shapiro, who would, or people out there would be seen as more so war hawks, who would say they're wrong, then you need to make the case.
00:33:53.000And also, I just want you to look at his comments because, in a normal situation, the comment that he made, I don't have, I'm not in a rush, basically, is what he's saying to get out of there.
00:34:02.000That's exactly what you say when you're negotiating with somebody.
00:34:04.000You don't say, I need to be out next week, but hey, let's go to the table and get a good deal for the United States because they know they have time pressure on you.
00:34:11.000But he's at such a point now with what he has said and this administration has communicated about this war that nobody wants to hear, I don't have.
00:34:29.000A part of me thinks, you tell me if you think this is maybe a correct read.
00:34:35.000President Trump was absolutely a bad out of hell after 2020.
00:34:40.000And after they impeached him and after they tried to render him ineligible, after they tried to put him in jail and destroy his life like a banana republic, and after people tried to assassinate him, he was just, you know what?
00:35:01.000I am going to show everyone that this is not racist, that it doesn't make me a white supremacist, and that it will be supported by most Americans.
00:35:53.000Still the most effective president of my lifetime, but this has been a big misstep.
00:35:57.000And I'll tell you what's effective is, you know, people like Andrew Wilson, he's like one of the most super chatted shows because people give him money.
00:36:03.000But here's the thing Andrew has no problem.
00:36:05.000He's spent a long time, long portion of his career as a sex worker.
00:38:47.000At least it was on their YouTube channel yesterday where I was watching it.
00:38:50.000And some people think that Tim Poole just walked off from this back and forth with this guy, one hand politics.
00:38:57.000It's not the full story, but here you go.
00:38:59.000You're going to sit here and tell me that we're way more polarized than Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, who like shot each other with their disagreements.
00:39:07.000You're going to sit here and tell me that we're not polarized.
00:39:09.000Why was Aaron Danielson, who's the sitting president of the United States?
00:39:11.000Do you want to have a conversation where he's going to be not polarizing?
00:39:13.000Why was Aaron Danielson shot in the chest twice?
00:44:00.000And it's often just used as an accusation to end an argument.
00:44:04.000But I will tell you this it is probably the most used argument from projectionists, from people who are projecting themselves onto someone else.
00:44:14.000And I don't say that as pop psychology, I say it as Alinsky 101.
00:44:19.000It's accuse the other side of that which it is you are doing.
00:44:24.000Here are people accusing Tim Poole of being a quote unquote grifter.
00:44:27.000But you're attempting to make a claim that his type of ideology that leads his policy is not nearly as violent as the left, which is largely anti capitalist, which is largely anti fascist.
00:44:41.000None of what you're saying makes any sense.
00:44:43.000It sounds like you're honestly grifting a lot.
00:44:46.000Okay, so grifter, let me read you the actual definition from Merriam Webster it's to acquire money or property illicitly.
00:44:51.000How it is generally used right now is to mean somebody who really only says things that they may or may not believe because they believe they can tax.
00:45:00.000Into a specific market or niche financially, right?
00:45:04.000Like, they don't really believe it, they just do it.
00:45:07.000I don't know how you use that with Tim Poole, again, because Tim Poole is really kind of moderate, right leaning.
00:45:13.000I know he used to say moderate, he certainly would be more of a centrist conservative now than a centrist Democrat, but he's pretty clear about it.
00:45:19.000He did this at cost to himself because he worked with Vice before, because he did some work with Occupy Wall Street, which I mercilessly mocked back then.
00:45:28.000And we, by the way, have had our disagreements.
00:45:31.000Now, how would this be the easiest path?
00:45:33.000I would say examples of grifting would be, you know, people like, uh, like Essie Cupp.
00:45:38.000Essie Cupp, who was at Fox News, wrote a book in defense of Christianity while she was an atheist and she was on Reddit.
00:45:43.000Once she didn't really get a contract with Fox News, decided to go to CNN and say, I was a Republican, but, and vote for every Democrat policy here.0.67
00:45:49.000Nala Ray, who, of course, made money, uh, having sex on camera as a prostitute for a very long period of time and then started selling her own Bible study online.0.95
00:45:57.000Lauren Southern, who made a bunch of money, uh, through kind of selling sex appeal and presenting herself as.0.78
00:46:03.000An alt right figurehead, specifically going after Ben Shapiro after the birth of Ben Shapiro's child and like kind of being pretty nasty, and now saying that no, she's actually above it all and she's morally virtuous.
00:46:14.000You have people like, you know, you could argue like a CJ Pearson who's out there who was pro Republican for a while, anti Obama talking points, uh huh.
00:46:22.000And I believe he was part of the Ted Cruz youth pack till he went to support Bernie Sanders and liked Barack Obama until he switched back to Donald Trump.
00:46:29.000You could take someone like an Ashley Sinclair and argue grifting because she literally just spoke out in support of Elon Musk and the conservative movement and stole everyone else's content.
00:46:38.000Until she got pregnant, hit the lottery, and then decided that Elon Musk is the devil, and she decides to buddy up with Hassan.0.61
00:46:46.000Some people could say it about Tucker.1.00
00:46:47.000You could say it about Candace because Candace was a lifelong liberal who made money being represented by the NAACP, doxing conservatives, kickstarting websites and blogs that were anti Trump, that were anti Tea Party, that were anti conservative until she took money from the pro Israel lobby and those nonprofits, and then decided that she wanted to go independent.
00:47:05.000I think what's very important when referring to someone as grifting is inconsistency.
00:47:11.000And never doing something at risk to themselves or very rarely.
00:47:17.000I don't think that Tim Pool qualifies, especially not when he's sitting there on Surrounded on Jubilee.
00:47:26.000So, to talk about that and more, I believe that we do have him on.0.78
00:47:29.000You can follow him on Rumble Timcast IRL, and you know, you can follow him anywhere because he's one of them grifters.
00:48:37.000They don't tell any of the people who are going to be debating who they're going to be debating because they don't want to create any kind of weird circumstance.
00:48:45.000So they get a general idea of what they want to talk about, which in this case would be political violence.
00:48:51.000The individual is moderate, supports Trump.
00:48:54.000Well, this guy had a beanie in his pocket.
00:48:56.000Which indicates he was informed beforehand it was going to be me.
00:49:00.000So they tipped him off while telling me they weren't going to do that.
00:49:03.000So I don't know that the company did that intentionally.
00:49:04.000There may have been someone there who said, hey, look, it's Tim Pool.0.99
00:49:07.000I don't think any other person in the world is as stupid enough to wear a beanie in 96 degree Los Angeles weather other than me.1.00
00:49:43.000So here's the other thing I had expressed to at least some of the people there if anybody wants to do a stunt like they did with Ben Shapiro, I'm going to get up and walk off.
00:49:55.000This is not me, oh no, the show's over.
00:49:59.000It was basically like my mentality is, When that trans man just berated Ben and Ben just sat there, you create a clip that goes viral on the left.
00:50:06.000And what is really, what does Ben get for being there?
00:50:09.000And so I said, I'll get up and leave so that the clip's going to go both ways, right?
00:50:35.000When I first saw it, when it started out, I said, like, oh, so it's like they took Change My Mind and put it in a timer.
00:50:40.000The difference is, you know, we always, when I would do it, is I wanted people to feel as though they were able to get a fair shake and sit down and have a conversation and explore ideas.
00:50:50.000I'm like, it's kind of what I created Change My Mind to not do because it goes back to the quadrant view, you know, on CNN and Fox News where it's just trying to score points.
00:51:01.000And I don't necessarily know how productive that is.0.87
00:51:04.000The other thing is, That's going to favor the left because, generally speaking, you may find some idiots on the right, of course, but you're not going to find people who are going to be as aggressive in general and just character assassinate because they'll try and present their ideas.0.93
00:51:18.000So it does seem like it would inherently favor the bad faith left sort of click or clip current climate.0.89
00:51:27.000Well, for a long time, I had said on my show, like, I would never do something like that, but there's always a logical and mathematical component to all of these things I'm doing.
00:51:36.000So I'll just Keep it really simple, and here's the honest truth forcing a liberal publication to refer to me as a moderate and give me an opportunity to say things they normally wouldn't let me say was the principal reason for doing it.
00:51:47.000That is, you know, I've got some friends who don't work in politics.
00:51:54.000I've been at big tournaments in poker.
00:51:55.000I actually just cashed one the other day.
00:51:57.000And so the issue that's the challenge that I have is the cultural dominance of the fringe left and the lies they produce has inhibited my ability to do certain business things.
00:52:08.000So when I go to somebody who is like a big sponsor and they say, look, there's too much negative press about you in this area, you don't counter it.
00:52:29.000They say, How do you describe yourself as a moderate?
00:52:32.000So now we've got Jubilee posting Tim Pool the moderate.
00:52:36.000One of the reasons these liberals and lefties are mad is they're like, How dare you call Tim Pool a moderate?
00:52:40.000But when I go do a pitch to a new sponsor in an unrelated non political field and they say, Here's our concerns on the politics, I say, Here's Jubilee saying I'm a moderate.
00:53:44.000What I can tell you is it is produced in a way that is intentionally meant to be edited out of order.
00:53:49.000So I don't know what, like, you know, when we're doing all this contract stuff, I don't know how they feel about people talking about this stuff, but.
00:53:57.000I'll give you a few interesting points about it.
00:54:00.000One, they ask you to read your claims in multiple ways.
00:54:12.000And they're like, we want to make sure the conversation flows properly.
00:54:16.000And I actually don't disagree with that to a great degree because we actually talked about the claims that I had.
00:54:22.000And I said, actually, we might need to move them around because if I say something like, Democrats are embracing authoritarianism, one of my claims, but Then I say that the left is being more violent.
00:54:33.000People are going to draw references to the previous conversation, which is going to.
00:54:39.000So we actually want to have them in order of escalation, and they agreed.
00:54:42.000So they're like, we're going to record it so that we can potentially edit it.
00:54:45.000Because if someone says something, maybe they know something about something I've said off camera.
00:55:53.000I don't know if this is in there, but at one point, they were having trouble getting somebody to actually debate the question of the Constitution because everybody was kind of like, we don't know.
00:56:43.000Are you in the waiting room with all the other people or do you have your own?
00:56:46.000They sort of, so they, when I walked in the building, everyone's sitting in their chairs and they try and quickly get me into the green room.
00:56:54.000So, it's a big warehouse building, obviously.
00:58:43.000We showed people that authentic conversations are more desirable, they're more productive.
00:58:48.000And then a place like Jubilee, like I also wonder, where's the front money for this?
00:58:52.000For them to come out and go, hey, you know what would be great on online content where nothing has to be censored is to censor and edit it and pre tape it.
00:59:30.000I'll just tell you guys it was face off, where you get a chess clock.
00:59:33.000And you hit it, say what you want to say.
00:59:35.000You say what you want to say, and then you hit it and you're done, and then they talk.
00:59:38.000The challenge with that is you each get a certain amount of time, but it basically turns into two people monologuing intermittently because you can't rebut somebody.0.88
00:59:47.000You know, if I choose to keep talking and gish gallop, pick your rebuttal.
00:59:53.000But they're trying in that, they're trying to make that work.1.00
00:59:56.000When did they start that with a chess clock?
01:00:19.000It's like, can we take something authentic and make it crap?
01:00:23.000And I say this as I know, like, I'm going to put myself at every disadvantage when I go out and do it because they're going to be like, all right, we're going to make it.0.95
01:00:29.000I'm never going to make an example of this guy.
01:00:45.000So there's a certain degree of it being production.
01:00:48.000Like what people don't see is, and this, I want to be fair.
01:00:52.000I mean, one of my claims that the Constitution is effectively dead.
01:00:56.000That we effectively, and what I mean by that is the Constitution is meant to represent the body politic of a nation, and we wrote ours down.
01:01:03.000And I'm not talking just about the Bill of Rights, I'm talking about the structure of government, which is the first articles.
01:01:09.000If the conservative base of this country has a completely inverted view to the liberal base of this country, we have two constitutions.
01:02:05.000And then they'd be like, ah, like I just, this has happened with, I met the, you know, I've been doing this a long time and not to say like you've switched your views a little bit.
01:02:55.000They don't watch your show, but they'll watch Jubilee.
01:02:58.000And then it's going to get interesting when I say something like, I'm in favor of migration.
01:03:02.000It's just when you have uncontrolled migration and open borders, you will get suffering.
01:03:06.000The migrants won't be able to assimilate properly, find jobs.
01:03:10.000Where these people have been, you know, there's a guy I'm working with recently who's not a political guy.
01:03:14.000And he said, you know, my friend sent me a message saying that you want to deport every single migrant, even legal residents, that you're a white supremacist.
01:03:22.000And I said, yeah, they're making that up.
01:03:36.000I was the guy who, yeah, I mean, I think we would like change my mind, but I probably am not the guy for that anymore because I'd be like, yeah, round him up, send him off.