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00:01:52.800straight bible with the intro and we're embarking on a new journey with me and the raven
00:02:06.480which these episodes we like to call um two best friends doing a podcast because that's really what
00:02:11.060it is i named it corinthians for dummies well yeah we do have some intentionality to it but
00:02:15.360the gist of it is like this is what it looks like if two best friends do a podcast together
00:02:19.160so all right we're gonna allow it we're gonna go through first corinthians yeah if uh you and i
00:02:25.820are still intact at the end of that maybe we go into two corinthians maybe we handle both the
00:02:29.340letters well i i was hoping that um you know maybe i could can i explain the premise of this a little
00:02:34.760bit i love that so um the audience is no stranger to the idea that i have a tremendous amount of
00:02:40.840difficulty reading and um i read super slow and when i pick it back up again i can't remember
00:02:47.660anything that i read the night before and so i have to go back a little bit to try to it's just
00:02:52.120like a whole thing and my my mode of learning has always been communication conversation that's
00:02:57.780always my best way to to learn and so um i thought why not do something with you this kind of came up
00:03:04.320a week ago we were doing something it got unlocked because it was just a straight bible that's right
00:03:09.620yeah where i had like 30 uh passages but we got through like three because you were so engaged in
00:03:15.260And it's like, yeah, but that's the same.
00:03:16.980I didn't know that, by the way, for so the audience who listens to straight Bible is going to have a little bit of a bump in the road when they listen to that episode.
00:03:32.520So we thought, why don't we do something like that?
00:03:35.340And when we were exploring, what should we do?
00:03:37.400You said it very simply, like, why don't we just do a whole book?
00:03:40.160So I call it Corinthians for dummies because in this particular instance, I'm the dummy and I'm hoping to make something here that's for people like me.
00:03:50.340But what we found out was that dummy may not be the right word because as you kind of dummy it, if you will, and ask these questions and have these insights, some of it's like really good, profound insights that like the common Bible scholar of our day maybe would bypass and not notice certain things.
00:04:05.540And so you bring something else to the table, but it's because you're engaged in it.
00:04:08.740if you're just sitting there listening right that's why i say when you read a bible get the
00:04:12.180pen out you got to circle stuff you got to underline stuff you have to engage mine's different
00:04:16.400mine's like i gotta talk i have to yeah yeah you can with god though you can talk out loud like i
00:04:20.780like i bible study in my closet so nobody's like hears me or whatever i talk out loud do you like
00:04:25.380uh sit in your closet you have like a chair in your closet yeah i have a whole desk oh that's0.94
00:04:29.240about this size and it's like a big ass closet dog yeah it's a walk-in closet okay i mean if you0.89
00:04:34.280if you're married to jessica she's got a lot of clothes and stuff way to flex on the people so i
00:04:37.840just take like the desk put it over in the corner yeah and i have like a little bit of my clothes in
00:04:42.180there and then i've always had that any house i've lived in since i lived in fruitland park
00:04:45.940yeah where it's just kind of worked out that way by the grace of god i had walk-in closets and all
00:04:50.780three i like that and it's soundproof because you have all the clothes in there so it deadens the
00:04:53.840sound so nobody's got to be sitting in the room being like what the hell yeah and it's like even
00:04:56.780when we bought this house and jess was like oh i want this for a house or that for a house i was
00:05:00.300like i just want to be able to grow food outside and i need to be able to put a desk somewhere
00:05:04.100okay so very cool but you do that you lock in you underline you circle stuff yeah and that way it's
00:05:10.200a lot easier like you're saying where did i pick up where am i picking up from what what's the last
00:05:14.460thing i read you just look at your notes real quick like okay now now we're cooking oh that's
00:05:18.480all right that's an interesting but to just read with no pen that's great going to bed puts me
00:05:24.140straight to sleep though yeah i love that going to bed but that's something totally different than
00:05:28.520like reading in your prime time okay with a pen and notes so so um we're gonna carve out let's
00:05:34.500call it friday mornings can we do friday mornings are you down for you want i would love that so
00:05:39.060we'll carve out friday mornings and we'll do this so obviously patreon gets to watch it live we'll
00:05:43.300call it best friend friday i think uh corinthians but you know well the name is to be determined so
00:05:47.460let's get into this i'll pull it up on the screen here um and we're getting into corinthians one
00:05:53.460one one okay all right one corinthians chapter one verse one paul called to be an apostle of
00:06:00.200jesus christ through the will of god and sostenes our brother unto the church of god which is at
00:06:04.780corinth to them that are sanctified in christ jesus called to be saints with all that in every
00:06:09.900place call upon the name of jesus christ our lord both theirs and ours just hold on a second we're
00:06:15.540gonna i'm already gonna yeah i know i know so much that i don't know let me uh let's go through
00:06:19.960nine let's go through verse nine so we're only gonna do nine verses i'll just read that and
00:06:24.340then we'll jump back and unpack each verse okay so we're going through one corinthians one nine
00:06:28.640is that what you're saying yeah chapter one verse one through chapter one verse nine because that
00:06:33.700kind of is okay so you're saying we're gonna read through tonight okay yeah uh lord uh both
00:06:39.920theirs and ours grace be unto you and peace from god our father and from the lord jesus christ i
00:06:44.200thank my god always on your behalf for the grace of god which is given you by jesus christ that in
00:06:49.740everything you are enriched by him in all utterance and in all knowledge, even as the
00:06:54.240testimony of Christ was confirmed in you so that you come behind in no gift waiting for the coming
00:06:59.180of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall also confirm you under the end that you may be blameless in
00:07:03.980the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful by whom you were called under the fellowship of
00:07:08.720his son, Jesus Christ, our Lord. Okay. So that's chapter one. Okay. Verses one through nine.
00:07:13.820This feels like a big, like opening greeting. Like, uh, yeah, yeah. But I love because like,
00:07:18.740i feel like i got halfway through verse two and you were already like out but that no it wasn't
00:07:24.120oh yeah yeah yeah but that's what i'm saying this is this is going to be a good thing because then
00:07:28.720we're going to go back and read it slow and you're going to be like oh okay yeah when you read it
00:07:32.840slow when you go back and unpack it now it does make sense okay so just read through it like that
00:07:37.600it's like oh i don't know what's going on here so when when we open up with one one it says paul
00:07:42.720called to be an apostle of jesus christ through the will of god and sostenes our brother is this
00:07:47.360like when you would say um such and such esquire phd like it's almost like he's listing accolades
00:07:55.040like this who i am yeah yes and no or or who's who's writing this letter into whom that's that's
00:08:03.120always the question right yeah it's a it's written by paul okay but he makes a very specific point
00:08:08.460that i'm with uh sostenes our brother right and it's to the corinthian church but there's a caveat
00:08:15.500got here under the church of god which is at corinth okay right so we talk about like the um
00:08:21.600the universal church like that that's what the word catholic means actually it's just
00:08:25.000so much comes along with that language now right you hear catholic and you think the vatican right
00:08:29.200you sure the pope and you think all this crazy stuff right involved in all this stuff on the
00:08:32.820world stage but like the catholic universal church that probably was like a beautiful church in the
00:08:38.020beginning and it probably was called the catholic church it was called the universal church the
00:08:42.100only thing separating it was geography, right? That's why it says the church at Corinth. Okay.
00:08:47.840That's it. It's not even the church of Corinth. It's nothing like that. It's not like it's a
00:08:51.740division of the body. It's just this one over here. Just, Hey man, we're separated by geography. So
00:08:56.000this is the church, the universal church at Corinth. Okay. Right. But then, but then it goes
00:09:01.320on. It says to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus called to be saints. Then it says this with
00:09:06.540all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord, both theirs and ours.
00:09:12.320So it's written to the Corinthians, but it's also written to us. Okay. Okay. All right. With all
00:09:19.280that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord. So yeah. All right. Now there's
00:09:24.620a couple of things we got to, um, we got to do from the jump too. I think it's, I'm going to go
00:09:29.080ahead real quick. You don't have to pull it up. I'll just go to, I think it's, um, okay. Yeah.
00:15:00.300He went somewhere for three years and was alone with God, right?
00:15:06.380So he says, like, you know, that kind of gets unpacked even more in the Galatian letter, but he's just saying, you know, I got all this by revelation from Jesus.
00:15:14.600Paul called to be an apostle, or Paul called an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God.
00:15:21.540He goes to great lengths to explain that to people, like, I didn't get this from man.
00:15:25.700Yeah, you know what, I'm sorry, I gotta interrupt real quick, because it just reminded me of something that I saw yesterday, and it seemed so simple, but the way that it framed it was really great.
00:15:33.460So it was talking about when those demons that encountered Christ basically asked, are you here to what is it like torment us before the time?
00:15:43.480Yeah. And it was like, how do they know who he even is?
00:15:48.960And it's because it's that those are the disembodied spirit.
00:15:52.840This is the way it was framed. I said, that's really interesting.
00:15:54.620Those are the disembodied spirits, the Nephilim. And they know that Jesus is the same God that flooded the earth.
00:16:01.880so they have like they they know what he's capable of they know what he's come to do
00:16:06.240and they know like the prophecy but they also specifically know like that's god
00:16:10.000like god did this thing to us god is flooded the earth killed our our mortal bodies and now he's
00:16:16.860here you know and is it time to do this second round of a thing but just the way that it's
00:16:21.980framed kind of makes it um how do i explain it like a little heavier do you think that that's
00:16:29.800true that what do you mean because they know who he is they know who he is yeah i mean they know
00:16:34.320who he is they know that he's he's there is a time that's going to come they're asking him if
00:16:38.640he's there effectively early um but there's this added layer if they know that he's the same god
00:16:47.580that flood the earth if they truly are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim then he's
00:16:51.440already done this thing to them and now he's here to like finish the job sort of yeah that's heavy
00:16:56.980that's an interesting way of looking at it um well it just comes back to the story of like the
00:17:01.260fights fix right like they like even they know even our enemies know yeah like like they know
00:17:06.480the fights fix they know their destruction's coming we just need to link up with jesus right
00:17:11.760like like we're on team jesus we win so yes we can get in the weeds and a lot of stuff in the bible
00:17:17.140but that's like a main point that we should all have is like we're on team jesus we end up winning
00:17:21.480i think what's what's interesting about that line of thinking is that it does draw a through line
00:17:26.500like these same entities these demonic spirits that he's engaging with in that moment are these
00:17:32.140things that used to have mortal flesh but were killed in the flood if that really is yeah because
00:17:37.400we can get hung up on the fact that we're fighting enemies that have been fighting humans for 6 000
00:17:41.380years or whatever it is and say well how do i stand a chance sure oh yeah i'm linked with jesus
00:17:45.940right that's how yeah yeah i just thought that was a i hadn't heard it framed that way it was
00:17:49.940like something that i knew but you know when when you see it kind of spelled out and you go oh yeah
00:17:54.380because it it um i don't want to use the word humanizes but it makes it a reality it helps to
00:18:01.080sort of flesh out the reality of scripture uh in its historical context that it already has let's
00:18:06.680go another level i'm glad you brought up that topic i have no clue like why you bring the stuff
00:18:11.140up that you do but it's like so good in this context because you're talking about yeah they
00:18:15.340knew they knew jesus yeah watch this with demons we're in acts 19 13 you don't have to go there
00:18:20.220Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying,0.61
00:18:28.120We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.0.97
00:18:30.520So you've got this group of people, and they're going to cast out demons.
00:18:47.760boom okay so they're not really in this relationship with jesus they're saying it's the same jesus who
00:18:53.700paul preaches but they don't know like the same one that paul knew but they don't know right
00:18:57.660saying somebody else knew him right so it's like it's almost like a form of witchcraft it's almost
00:19:02.340it's like hey i'm calling i'm using this spell i'm using this incantation i'm using this language
00:19:07.520that appears to work for paul yeah it works for paul because he knows the lord jesus he's intimate
00:19:13.040with the lord jesus he's in union with the lord jesus so that that's why that works if you will
00:19:17.840sure yeah so watch what happens and there were seven sons of skiva a jew in chief of the priest
00:19:23.920which did this that's what you're saying and the evil spirit answered and said jesus i know and
00:19:30.080paul i know but who are you yeah and they go on to beat them up right yeah it's this it's this thing
00:19:35.040that like they don't just know jesus dude they know paul yeah that's interesting that's wild
00:19:40.960You know, that is that similar to like a Simon, the sorcerer kind of a situation where it's a they recognize the power because they live in a world that's hyper spiritual.
00:19:51.240They understand there are like sorcerers, there are practitioners, magicians, right?
00:19:57.400Pharaoh had a gang of them. But when they see the efficacy of the power in Christ and they don't understand the relational aspect, they're still trying to figure that it's still trying to engage with that.
00:23:14.100It's they just kind of added it in Sosthenes, brother.
00:23:18.140And so some people take that in the Greek to me, like he's saying, like the brother.
00:23:22.860Couldn't it be like he's just hitting that at the end, like Hulk Hogan?
00:23:25.680like uh and sostany like he's letting them know you know what i'm saying but i think what he's
00:23:32.760saying is like just know this is coming from me yeah and the brotherly one if you will like
00:23:37.500like the brother right because this is gonna cut i'm gonna slice you guys but you have to know
00:23:42.060like this is coming from a place of love it's not just me it's not just paul i am an apostle but i
00:23:47.620want to make sure this point's clear i'm with the brother yeah and this is what it talks about in
00:23:51.100the bible where you're supposed to rebuke a fellow christian if they are like monstrously off base
00:23:57.880right like where if it's a non-believer you kind of you treat them differently but if it's a believer
00:24:03.140if it's a brother in christ then you do rebuke them it's important to let them know like where
00:24:07.560they're going the wrong way so and he's gonna do that he's gonna hold them to a standard but we're
00:24:11.940gonna see why man which which i'm gonna keep coming back to chapter one verse nine says god
00:24:16.040is faithful by whom you were called unto the fellowship of his son like that's the context
00:24:21.080that's why he has so much to say is like guys don't lose sight of this yeah you cannot lose
00:24:25.940sight of this okay all right so so then we'll get into verse two under the church of god which
00:24:30.640is at corinth we already unpacked that that's the location at corinth that's all it is it's
00:24:34.540the universal church it's the body of christ it happens to be geographically located in the city
00:24:39.180of corinth to them that are sanctified in christ jesus called to be saints but that's that's
00:24:47.400interesting is in italics as well sanctified in christ jesus called saints but this is specifically
00:24:52.600like if you are sanctified in christ jesus you're you you have sainthood i guess sainthood is not a
00:24:59.660word sainthood's weird you're a saint yeah that's it i don't know that i call it sainthood i'm just
00:25:04.820saying like yeah that's another word that we would you know we would call people believers we call
00:25:08.560sure christians but then i don't think that that is a popular position for the orthodox church
00:25:14.000because saints and their iconography are um they're kind of uh you know i'm trying to be
00:25:22.180graceful with them i don't want to say idolize their worship because they would argue that's
00:25:25.140not the case but they're certainly elevated on a pedestal above the average believer
00:25:28.960but well whatever there's guys there's guys i look back in the past i look at john wesley
00:25:35.140you know what i'm saying i look oh and that guy crushes oh man that guy crushes but like
00:25:39.700nevertheless i'm a saint the same way they're a saint now when we get into like the structure of
00:25:44.820eternity and the reward they probably got some gifts yeah they probably have done some things
00:25:49.620right and it's not because of anything special in them it's because they fully submitted to the
00:25:53.820call of god okay like that's all like i think that's all any of us can do is fully submit to
00:25:58.240god that's whatever achieves a higher level of reward in heaven is just the higher level of
00:26:03.580submission to the lord i think yeah that makes a lot of sense that we can get into the weeds on
00:26:07.500that it's like uh tell us we're wrong and living sacrifice right how much of your life was a
00:26:12.540sacrifice to the will of god yes that's it that's it he's not calling us because we're like these
00:26:17.720great people with such great skills oh man i really need your skills to help me out here it's
00:26:22.340like it's not really like that it's like can you submit and let me operate through you right okay
00:26:27.060okay under the church of god which is at corinth to them that are sanctified in christ jesus called
00:26:32.100saints so that's who it's to with all that in every place call upon the name of jesus christ
00:26:38.100our lord both theirs and ours there it's it's their god it's our god and so this we're all
00:26:45.420one here right and this is who this letter is to grace be unto you we're in verse three and peace
00:26:53.540right and it's it's been explained that like there is no peace aside from grace like it has to come
00:26:59.360in this order right like you like you're given grace by god we're saved by grace through faith
00:27:04.040like grace is like this is a hard word to explain but it's like it's like beauty it's like the order
00:27:11.060and as opposed to the chaos right it's the beauty as opposed to the ugliness it's like
00:27:15.560it's this grace it's those things it's beauty in more than just appearance it's beauty in in
00:27:23.460method it's beauty in in execution this is exactly i was gonna say next was it like it's it's this
00:27:29.340grace, Christian grace is this thing that's more than just that it's, it's actually imparted into
00:27:35.020us. So it's, yeah. So that's a great way to explain it. And then the whole, the peace thing
00:27:39.360being secondary is because God gives you a spirit of peace, but in order to have that, you need to
00:27:44.500be saved by grace. Yeah, man. I don't think anybody has peace outside of grace, man. I don't think
00:27:49.240that's possible. That's huge. You know, I was, I was, uh, on Twitter and some guy, um, he's an
00:27:54.760influencer of sorts, went away for a while and came back and he's come back and he looks real
00:28:00.560bad. I was joking around. I said, he looks like a meth pipe disguised as a man. And, um, and he's
00:28:06.900said something at some point alluding to like making a deal with some sort of spirit, because
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00:30:03.020And I think you can look at people's lives and you can see, is there a spirit of peace and of sound mind and of joy in their household?
00:30:10.180And ultimately, we're talking about the Holy Spirit. Right. Right. Talking about like if you have an unclean spirit, you do unclean things. Right. Right. What I think you're alluding to. Like if we're talking about people who are filled with the Holy Spirit, they have holy lives. Right. And holy sometimes is a word that gets, you know, I don't know. People imagine the guys in the capes and they're like, Ben, they don't talk for 24 hours or something, which sounds great. Like all that's great. But holiness is really the character of God. Right. And so we can look at the life of Jesus. Right. OK. You know how like sometimes people they'll they'll throw stuff out in the
00:30:40.160comments like with, uh, on the Owen Benjamin episode, they'll say, I can't believe you had
00:30:44.280a guy on who denies the deity of Christ. So I'm going to read that and say, okay, let me go back
00:30:48.620and look at the life of Jesus. Did Jesus deal with people who denied his deity? Yeah, he definitely
00:30:52.680did. Yeah. Did Jesus deal with people who, um, who were not Christians? Yeah, he absolutely did.
00:30:58.920So when we talk about holiness, sometimes that goes off the rails and how we can check that is
00:31:03.260go back and look at the life of Jesus and say, am I living in a way like how Jesus was living?
00:31:09.860I know a lot of that comes from having faith and knowing who your God is, right?
00:31:15.040So like if your God can prepare a table before you in the presence of your enemies, then
00:31:21.800that's like kind of the most extreme thing that you could fear, right?
00:31:26.080It's like being in the presence of your enemies, those who hate you.
00:31:29.060Everything else is lesser degrees of intense than that.
00:31:32.480So if God is telling you, I prepare a table for you in the presence of your enemies, so that even there, I have you in the palm of my hand, then what is it to talk to?
00:31:43.920But even more than that, you look at the life of Jesus, and that was the accusation of the religious system against him, is why are you hanging out with these sinners and publicans?0.99
00:31:53.680And the NLT even says, why are you hanging out with such scum?0.97
00:31:56.460So it's like for somebody to make a statement like that, it's like, you've got to go back and look at the life of Jesus so we keep this thing in context.0.99
00:32:02.200I get it that the religious system always gets in a place in all the time periods of saying like, oh, no, church people only hang out with church people.
00:32:09.820Got it. Got it. And there's a place for that. And like your intimate, very close fellowship.
00:32:14.060Amen. Right. But we have this life and we're engaging with everyone.
00:32:17.180Like Paul even talks about saying I'm all things to all men so that I might save some.
00:32:22.300Right, right, right. I can find a way to relate to people. It doesn't mean I go live in sin like them.
00:32:26.240It's not saying that it's just saying like I'm not so much of a Republican that I can't win a Democrat to Christ.
00:32:31.100how are they, if everybody needs Jesus, how are they going to find him? If every opportunity that
00:32:36.180you're as a living sacrifice, you know, uh, uh, you're, you're a vessel for the will of the Lord.
00:32:41.760Every time a vessel for the will of the Lord comes close to them, that vessel goes, no, no,
00:32:46.260no. And, and right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you're never going to, okay.
00:32:48.920Just got to stay grounded. Okay. So grace be unto you and peace, right? No, you
00:32:53.460grace and peace is a specific piece. It's the, it's the kind of grace and peace
00:32:59.460that comes from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
00:33:03.060So people that are looking for peace, a lot of people are looking for peace,
00:33:06.780they're not going to find it outside of grace.
00:33:09.060They're not going to find it outside of a grace given to them by God.
00:33:12.220It's also interesting because peace is one thing to some people,
00:33:16.080but this peace is more like you're going to experience tribulation,
00:33:18.980but you're going to have peace within that because you know you're God.
00:33:21.420Yeah, our peace is not based on circumstances.
00:33:23.560Right, because peace sounds a lot like,
00:33:25.060you know, I'm just like chilling and my life is easy and good.
00:33:28.860yeah yeah yeah far from it man are that i mean that's the wonderful thing is like our joy isn't
00:33:33.500based on circumstances right peace isn't based on circumstances like you throw these guys in prison
00:33:38.300they're just as happy and peaceful as they've ever been they have as much joy as they've ever had
00:33:41.940they're writing letters to the church dude i know that that's true because one of the things that i
00:33:46.360learned uh when i was younger that i think is like a superpower and i could see like the ultimate
00:33:50.620version of what i learned is the holy spirit it's it's dwelling or having the holy spirit dwell
00:33:55.540within you is that, um, happiness and, and sorrow, depression and, and happiness or happiness and
00:34:04.000peace. These things are opposed and they're in very many ways, a choice, right? Like that was
00:34:09.380something that I had to deal with when I was homeless was I can't fix my circumstances right
00:34:15.180now. I'm, you know, really going through it and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. So
00:34:21.600if I'm going to find happiness, it has to be independent of these circumstances.
00:34:25.580Yeah. And I was able to like shift my perspective and understand that happiness was actually
00:34:30.880in very many ways, a decision. And that was huge. I mean, that saved my life.
00:34:35.960It's interesting. Jess, Jess says this a lot too, where she can go back and look to where
00:34:40.380we're in a situation and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. We're fighting to get out of
00:34:45.660the tunnel. We're fighting to get out of it. And then when we get to a place where we say,
00:34:49.120you know what i'm okay right here yeah i'm okay in this space i'm inside the tunnel i'm i'm gonna
00:34:55.200be fine yeah i'm here this isn't what i wanted but i'm i'm good here i've accepted this that
00:34:59.320that is when we jess and i have the breakthrough like it's been a very interesting thing where
00:35:04.160all of us we're fighting to get out we're fighting to get out we're fighting to get out and we finally
00:35:07.400say you know what this is good enough yeah everything's good that after that is when the
00:35:11.900breakthrough happens i i forgot who it was that's quoted as saying a fool suffers a thing twice
00:35:16.640So like that suffering of a thing twice is the anticipation of a thing that's coming0.54
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00:49:18.900Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, unmovable,
00:49:22.160always abounding in the work of the Lord for as much as you know that your labor is not in vain
00:49:27.180in the Lord. Okay. Let's read those two together. God is faithful by whom you were called under the
00:49:32.020fellowship of his son, Jesus Christ, our Lord. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast,
00:49:37.700unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord for as much as you know that your labor is
00:49:42.000not in vain in the Lord. Okay. So we've been called into this fellowship and there's an,
00:49:46.480there's an element of that of just like a friendship, but there's a business relationship
00:49:50.840in that as well. Your work in the Lord, right? Hold on. Let me get back to that. That's interesting
00:49:55.440because it talks about in Corinthians, right? Not being yoked with unbelievers, but then it also
00:49:59.840talks about in the Bible, how God's yoke is easy. Yeah. And his burden is light. Yeah. Yeah. So0.96
00:50:05.340being yoked, like you're yoked with God. Yes. Yeah. In other places it talks about where his
00:50:09.940inheritance and where this gets funny is people get funny about like, um, oh no, God doesn't need
00:50:15.560you. I've seen that a lot. Yeah. And it's a weird thing because it's like, he has called us into
00:50:20.300fellowship with his son and he does get something from us. He like we're doing things on the earth
00:50:25.160that he is gaining from. And I think for a lot of people, it's hard to understand this. It's like
00:50:29.420his position is I'm your father. And so it'd be easy for somebody to say, oh, your father doesn't
00:50:35.780need anything from you. Right. Somebody said that to Bella or Aiden, they'd say your dad doesn't
00:50:39.940need anything. Like he could pay all his bills without you. He can get all his food and get all
00:50:43.480his water. But only a father knows like, no, there's something I need right from my children.
00:50:49.540There's something I'm gaining from this relationship with my children.
00:50:53.100And people lose sight of this reality with God because they get too tied up in his sovereignty and they misunderstand that word.
00:50:58.540They don't understand that like in Genesis 6, it says that like God was grieved at his heart because he made man and what was happening with man.
00:51:05.560It's like God does have these feelings.
00:51:17.160Right. So he has this desire that none shall perish. Our sinful nature is incompatible with with heaven.
00:51:23.880We can't be there like that. Right. And so we have this free will.
00:51:30.480And he he kind of does need us then to be this living sacrifice so we can make disciples of men so that less of us will perish and more of us will be compatible with heaven.
00:51:41.240And so that word need. Yeah. Yeah. You're nailing it. But that word need just throws a lot of people off.
00:51:46.100So it's like, but if we could say he chooses to operate through the church, through him, that's how he chooses to do it.
00:51:51.840And we can tell him he's wrong for that because we're like, no, our theology says you don't need us.
00:51:56.100No problem. No problem. But this is how I choose to operate in the earth.
00:52:00.200I operate through mankind. Interesting. And so I've called you into fellowship with my son.
00:52:04.560And just keep in mind, therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast in this work, be steadfast in this fellowship, be steadfast as we're like business owners together.
00:52:13.300we operate together, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord. Be always abounding in
00:52:19.140the work of the Lord, because as you know, your labor is not in vain in the Lord. As you link up
00:52:24.240with Jesus Christ and your labor is in the Lord, it's not your own thing. It's not your own thing,
00:52:28.620right? Like we talk about the passage in Romans where it says that all things work together for
00:52:31.860good to those who love God and are called according to his purpose, not our purpose.
00:52:36.860We just love God and do whatever we want, but we're called according to his purpose. As we work
00:52:41.240like that it's it's going to be always abounding it's going to be steadfast it's going to be
00:52:46.460immovable and it's not going to be in vain which is a huge thing if you're somebody who's done a
00:52:51.820lot of work in the earth and it's come it's been in vain it's come to nothing all right look we're
00:52:55.520gonna i'm gonna take a quick pee break i'm gonna pass you the the mouse so that you can talk to
00:53:00.780the chat and i'll be right back all right i'm very sorry but i've been holding this let's do
00:53:04.660there yeah that pre-workout has crushed i am i am really really can i just can i just um you can
00:53:09.880click and bring people on, whatever you want to do. Let me go back a little bit and see what's up.
00:53:13.740All right. The Raven's coming back. What do you guys want to talk about? What's up, everyone?
00:53:18.580Okay. People saying inappropriate stuff. Baby mama will do that. She's too smart. Baby mama.
00:53:23.780Okay. Good to see this is all in the chat. I feel super blessed. I got to experience so much of life.
00:53:30.100I respect that. Let's see here. I get panic attacks when I'm too worked up, but only one
00:53:37.760person knows how to do that to me. Yep. I know what that's like. Uh, okay. Sparrow, stop it.
00:53:44.680We're not talking about that. We can click on it though. Don't look back. Okay. Chill around.
00:53:52.760That's really nice. Everybody appreciates that. Okay. So yeah. I, what do you guys think about
00:53:58.560this whole study with Raven? I was ecstatic when he wanted to do this. We were, um, you guys know
00:54:03.800we were in that study last week or two weeks ago and, um, he just started like really engaging in
00:54:10.540the Bible study. It was like, this is really what he needs, man. So I'm so glad to do this. And he
00:54:14.380pulls out so much information. Like, I feel like you can even tell that, uh, he pulls up so much
00:54:20.160stuff, man. Um, that like normal church goers and normal Bible readers just wouldn't pull from.
00:54:25.940He's got this really incredible background, especially like just being homeless and being
00:54:30.460tied into the occult and stuff like i love his understanding you know like being abducted by
00:54:35.620aliens and everything else um and i think there's this rad thing in the um so-called conspiracy
00:54:41.580theory space or um like truth or space whatever you want to call it that these guys are in
00:54:46.620um that they have this background of totally understanding how evil the world is right which
00:54:54.320is a major concept of scripture which is really lacking in the church that understanding of how
00:54:59.180evil the world is right so when you bring these guys in who understand the depths of the wickedness
00:55:04.140of the world and then they start engaging in the bible it's just this whole other game dude
00:55:08.340it's this whole other game all right right so we're back so by the way i think maybe at the
00:55:13.180end of the show if you guys have any questions we'll skim through real quick see if anybody's
00:55:16.100got anything that they want to uh say or contribute and we'll do that at the end okay so uh let's
00:55:20.880let's continue on yeah i just think we should pull up this passage real quick too it's one john one
00:55:25.260three one john one three yeah this is a section of the bible that's really coming apart back here
00:55:31.340let's see here oh yeah your old bible there boom and well just start verse one i'll start verse one
00:55:37.200okay got it uh one john one three but you want to do one john one one yeah that which was from
00:55:42.400the beginning which we have heard which we have seen with our eyes which we have looked upon and
00:55:46.540our hands have handled of the word of life that that's a nice one for some people who struggle
00:55:52.660with if jesus is god or not he's you know john's talking about him saying that which was from the
00:55:56.440beginning like like he's from the beginning he's not created that was a conversation i was having
00:55:59.780with my wife yesterday because you know her family's jehovah witness and they're big on that
00:56:04.740he was created and it's like okay but if he was the word or he is the word made flesh and the word
00:56:09.840was god and was with god in the beginning and that's what also god used to create everything
00:56:14.480yeah that means that jesus existed before and who is it that calls him my lord my god uh i think that
00:56:21.440what do they call him? Doubting Thomas. I don't know if that's a good word for the guy,
00:56:25.680but his name's Thomas. Right, right, right. And he's the one that after he realized it was Jesus.
00:56:29.780That's like calling Sparrow Doubting Sparrow. It's like, she's not doubting. She just has a
00:56:33.000lot of questions, a lot of ways she comes around to approach this situation, and so did Thomas.
00:56:37.540It seems like it's just a line of delineation. To me, it seems like a lesson in
00:56:42.540blessed are those who have faith without seeing, right? So there's a different...
00:56:49.180Yeah, yeah. That's in that context. He said, you've seen and believe, but blessed are those who haven't seen and still believe.
00:56:53.720Right. So there's there's a different layer there, which is like it's not to say is that's not a salvation issue or anything like that.
00:57:00.300But it is like, OK, there's there's different blessings, maybe you could argue, then for those.
00:57:05.100No, no, that would be a salvation issue. Belief like faith.
00:57:07.880No, no, no. I'm saying believing because you had proof versus believing in just faith.
00:57:13.900Like as long as you believe, you're all good. The salvation, you know, that's not the issue.
00:57:16.760But as far as blessings go, specifically blessed are those.
01:01:56.740He says, hey, hey, we walked with Jesus, man.
01:01:58.140And that's what we're declaring unto you.
01:01:59.920Yeah. All this stuff that we've seen and heard declare we unto you so that you also may have fellowship with us. Right. You may also be. And this is an intriguing thing, man. There is this fellowship to be had with the writers of the Bible. Right. Like we like you almost get to a place where you feel like I know these guys better than I know my own friends. That's interesting. Like I have much I feel more intimate with Bible writers and I have a lot more in common with them. I've seen the depths of their soul more than I could see the depths of a man's soul who's alive today. Right. Like. Sure. I mean, you're it's you're talking about the ultimate topic.
01:02:29.420and it's really long books with a lot being said by these individuals it's like yeah if you sat
01:02:35.080down with somebody and had really lengthy conversations with somebody about the most
01:02:39.200meaningful thing in this entire experience and you're gonna gleam a lot from that i also think
01:02:43.440it's funny because in the king james version they use yay a lot yeah and i cannot help i know it
01:02:48.880sounds a silly uh deviation a little bit but i think that's why kanye picked yay i think that's
01:02:55.900why he made his is at a time where he was like see that really wrestling with god you know he's
01:03:00.920making this album jesus is lord i'm very serious i think he did this on purpose and i think that's
01:03:07.220why um because every i'm not gonna lie what do you mean yay like so he dropped kanye and he just
01:03:12.080became yay y-e-a just y-e huh and every time i pronounce it ye he pronounces it yay yeah yeah
01:03:20.100yeah yeah is it is it pronounced ye what are they what are the yeezys those those are sneakers
01:03:26.420actually i gotta get some yeezys those are sneakers um so it's that so they're not con
01:03:30.960yeezys they're just yeezys they're just yeezys but in that context it's ye you know what though
01:03:34.820it might not be because i think phonetically it is different right so in the king james version
01:03:38.340when you see y-e that's pronounced ye ye okay never mind y-e-a is yay well no i mean he is he
01:03:45.180does it y-e and he pronounces it yay because i know y-e-a-h was in the chat multiple times
01:03:51.200why and you and top the other day it was just like yeah yeah i don't know who that is no me
01:03:56.040and you were like in top it just kept going back and forth it was like yeah oh yeah that's yeah i
01:04:01.000don't know what that was yeah that was uh did you did you talk about on the show what you did at his
01:04:04.940at his family um not really we didn't really get into it i do want to say it really quick so
01:04:09.720uh and we don't have to get into it i want to get straight back into no no i like this where
01:04:13.840we're just going back and forth on some stuff so um top invited us to a dinner thing with with uh
01:04:21.660a lot of lunch the church lunch lunch with the 501c3 people because he invited them to his home
01:04:26.840which is you know sounds outlandish to me but we were talking before the show about how i'm a
01:04:31.240hermit and in the room but not in the room you don't like to engage and make actual intimate
01:04:35.780personal relationships with people you like it if it's like online i like it if it's if it's
01:04:40.900less than 10 people that i have in my life at any given time much less but it's like for top he's a
01:04:47.280very he's a social butterfly yes he is you don't know that you don't think that going around you
01:04:52.280find his like his actual personal life you're like wow he loves friends flower to flower to
01:04:56.500flower with his little curled up tongue and you are not necessarily like that we both feel like
01:05:01.340hey what i've got in my home is good i'm crushing i'm having a good time so he invited us out i
01:05:06.680didn't go you went i had uh i felt obligated a beach to go to i didn't feel any obligation
01:05:11.580whatsoever and you have were almost uh top set a booby trap for you right so they're talking about
01:05:19.120music and he said that well this is the way that i've interpreted it because but is it tell me if
01:05:24.120i'm wrong so it did feel like a setup yeah yeah to which you said okay so so this is the setup
01:05:29.840um most of the people from the church were from the worship music thing and uh top says something
01:05:36.660to the effect of actually matt over here thinks that worship music it sucks or something like
01:05:41.900that it was almost exactly like that as if to set you up yeah so that you would look like an0.99
01:05:46.560asshole in front of these people which which is very funny because he leans into it matt leans0.97
01:05:51.000into it and he goes i just think that the worship music industry is an industry just like the0.97
01:05:57.560abortion industry and apparently everybody no no that's my thing is like oh yeah i was like okay
01:06:04.060worship doesn't automatically mean music music doesn't automatically mean worship and then i
01:06:09.000said like if even if you just pull up worship in the bible like i said this is the difference
01:06:12.800between me and top like if the very first place you see worship in the bible is where abraham's
01:06:16.760going to sacrifice isaac okay and he sends the servants away and it says then he worshiped god
01:06:21.620and i don't think you know i don't think there was any music top things a three-piece band came
01:06:26.900out of the bushes with a smoke machine yeah just it was like guitar based drums yeah and then
01:06:31.740abraham said how great is our god and then they all got kind of laughed one more time sing it one
01:06:36.700more time and i said i mean think about it there's a there's a worship music industry and i don't
01:06:41.780know maybe i could have used other examples but this is the only one that came to my mind just
01:06:44.920like there's an abortion industry i love tobacco industry i wish i was there for that their faces
01:06:51.040did get a little yeah ghastly maybe not terror but like um yeah just very concernicus i like that
01:06:59.280i really like that so uh i almost feel bad that i missed it but also yeah i can't do that
01:07:04.560i wasn't there long you weren't there long no no there was a russian lady that like really
01:07:08.480is into the food forest stuff so i was just vibing with her talking about a lot of food
01:07:11.920forest stuff she's got kids that go to uf and they're working on like new plant varieties
01:07:15.280for florida which is very that's interesting very cool she was struggling with some stuff
01:07:19.840i told her like i'll get you bananas and mexican sunflower and uh i can get you moringa i can get
01:07:24.640you mulberries i can get you avocados i got all this stuff that i've been propagating so it's no
01:07:28.400no big deal. So we kind of made a connection. That's sick. Yeah. Based on that. I think she
01:07:32.440is also a teacher. Yeah. Yeah. So my son had her for a little bit. Oh, really? Yeah. So what's
01:07:38.780her name again? I couldn't. She's very cool. I like this. Yeah. I just you know what? When I
01:07:42.800was going to the church and I haven't been in a long time, I just I just keep my distance. I'm
01:07:47.980just there. Yeah. See, like, what's this sermon going to be about? And that's really I do, too.
01:07:52.500It depends what mood I'm in, because it's either that or it's like, hey, abortion industry. And I
01:07:57.460don't really have a heavy middle ground i see i don't do that i won't do that to people like top
01:08:02.280says that i get a little unhinged if i if i allow myself to believe for a moment that these people
01:08:07.260get it then you'll see me slip off and i'll behave exactly like i behave on the show um that has
01:08:12.980happened in front of top a few times you know and afterwards he's gone hey dude those people didn't0.66
01:08:17.840get it and you didn't pick up on that at all and i was saying all kinds of outlandish shit um but
01:08:23.040that's at top's house if i'm at church i know nobody here gets it so i'm not going to say any0.52
01:08:28.180of the things and um and that is that's also brutal because now i'm muted well then fellowship
01:08:33.180is tough that's that's what we're talking about is fellowship right it is fellowship with christ
01:08:36.960is easy like to me it's easy right it's his yoke is easy and his burden is light you come into this
01:08:42.660fellowship with christ that part i got it i got it the fellowship in the body gets a little wonky
01:08:48.580but i still want it like i still want it like i still want to engage with people i still love
01:08:52.740people i want to hear their story yeah but it's like it's it's a different thing when you have a
01:08:57.940like i was saying earlier like it's it's like if top was just invite people over it'd be a get
01:09:02.180together if you invite church people over it's called fellowship sure there's this different
01:09:06.420churchy vibe to it which is still cool i operate in that realm but it's just kind of different
01:09:11.300i find it difficult because i think i spent so much of my life especially my youth trying to
01:09:16.020communicate with people who didn't get it over conspiracy and clearly i didn't get it i was in
01:09:20.500in the wrong place back then. But I thought I was talking about a thing that was just out of the
01:09:25.980grasp of a lot of people, which is true. Doesn't mean it's the right thing, but it is true that it
01:09:30.080was out of their grasp. And I went to a parent teacher conference yesterday at my son's school.
01:09:36.780Very similar, very similar. I'm talking to these teachers and I'm just looking at them and I'm
01:09:41.140like, you don't, I would not go out of my way to talk to you because you don't get it. There's
01:09:47.200something that's missing tremendously uh from i don't know just your your worldview right not your
01:09:52.280not your ability to comprehend i don't think that's the case i i do think that if most people
01:09:56.900were subjected to the same experiences that i was and had the same information that i do that they
01:10:02.640would come to very similar conclusions i don't think it's a processing power issue i just think
01:10:06.700it's a worldview issue and it makes it so that we're talking from completely different places
01:10:11.100and i i can't stand that it's it's uh it's nightmarish but i'm glad that you told them
01:10:15.800that the worship industry is just like the just like the abortion industry um that's pretty cool
01:10:22.680i mean it didn't you know yeah it was definitely a setup it was definitely no i like that he goes
01:10:27.920i'm gonna set you up you go watch this no i didn't it just came out naturally i didn't even think
01:10:32.040about it it's just like but he did kind of throw it in there and then he almost like stepped back
01:10:36.000and like did the side i like looked at i like it because it's like okay it's like you're all
01:10:39.560standing at the edge of a cliff and there's a body of water and everybody's too afraid to jump
01:10:44.440and then top sets you up he goes this guy likes to jump and then you come over you go okay yeah
01:10:49.320this guy likes to jump and then you do a backflip anytime in my life that where the craziest things
01:10:53.880get said it's usually the icebreaker at like if you're at something like that i'm like okay this
01:10:58.720feels a little too formal everybody's like being cute and sweet and we're all just doing the thing
01:11:03.160like the formality yeah right then i don't know why the craziest stuff comes out i mean i'm not0.93
01:11:07.900gonna lie if i have a pleasant interaction let's say i'm out at a store there's a nice old lady we
01:11:11.800have a really wholesome interaction because you know you're never going to see her again
01:11:15.640you're getting out of there but if i'm trapped with you in in some sort of uh um you know a0.78
01:11:20.920social situation and we're in it for the long haul i go this sucks this sucks if that social
01:11:27.040situation is church for an hour and 15 minutes where they read 15 minutes of scripture or if0.68
01:11:33.360it's a dinner over at my my social butterfly buddy's house um he is really the social and
01:11:38.380you know people don't know that i really never picked up on that until recent dude yeah you know
01:11:42.720you go to his house for something there's tons of well he's done that's a new york thing like he
01:11:46.240said his grandma would just open the house on christmas eve there's all you know you just get
01:11:49.720used to having all these people around that's crazy and some people operate like that and
01:11:53.360that's wonderful like jess's uncles like that that's how i met jess when i was younger i had
01:11:57.720that like that was my life was all of these people from all different walks all in my you know if i
01:12:03.400was i squatted in the house for a long time we would throw house parties in there and i had people
01:12:07.480just you know funneling through this thing i think i'm actually i'm overexposed to it and i don't want
01:12:13.080it anymore now i i appreciate the piece well as soon as there's obligations is where it's like
01:12:17.240yeah as long as we can be buddies and there's no obligations cool you know what's similar to it
01:12:21.260i grew up my my mom had every animal under the sun uh huge animal planet steve erwin people
01:12:28.060squirrels whatever uh so many dogs we never had less than three dogs at a time and then
01:12:32.580you know that was the minimum sometimes we had more as an adult now i got cats i i don't want
01:12:37.400anything else yeah the cats don't care i have two cats they don't care if i live or die i go hell
01:12:41.760yeah i don't want dogs i don't like you would think being raised with animals would make you
01:12:46.740nope don't don't want any of them i don't want anything to do with them anymore so i think it's
01:12:50.500very similar to that where i've i had an overexposure and now i'm all good but let's uh let's get back
01:12:55.200to this are we okay sorry yeah one john now we're we're in verse three that which we have seen and
01:13:00.160heard declare we unto you that you also may have fellowship with us and truly our fellowship is
01:13:05.340with the father and with his son, Jesus Christ. And then he goes on to say, and these things
01:13:10.580write we unto you that your joy may be full. So like as you fellowship, you may fellowship with
01:13:17.260us. And just so we're all on the same page here, our fellowship is with the father and with the
01:13:22.580son, Jesus Christ. So we want to bring you into fellowship with God. When that happens, these
01:13:27.400things write we unto you that your joy may be full. This is what ends up happening. Okay. So
01:13:31.060there's this concept of us having fellowship with god uh and that and that's what he's really trying
01:13:36.720to key in on uh in that verse nine right god is faithful by whom you were called into fellowship
01:13:42.020of his son jesus christ and we can unpack all the passages that talk about like you that that
01:13:47.020fellowship can't be taken from you like once you have that fellowship in god yeah like romans 8 38
01:13:51.860you really think about that like at the end of romans 8 where it talks about like nothing present
01:13:55.780nothing to come yeah nothing unseen like all these things like none of these things can take
01:14:00.940that from you when you enter into that fellowship. Now, some of us would argue that you yourself is
01:14:06.560not listed in that passage, right? Just like in one of the seven letters of Jesus to the churches
01:14:12.280in the book of Revelation, he talks to them about how they left their first love. They didn't lose
01:14:17.820it. Nobody took it from them, but they left their first love, right? So you can kind of end up in a
01:14:22.400situation where you walk away from that fellowship, but nothing can take it from you. Right. So that's
01:14:28.540john 10 28 through 29 uh this is jesus saying that no one can snatch uh out of his hand uh or
01:14:37.560his father's hand his followers right yeah uh yeah so that actually comes as you're hidden with
01:14:43.460christ in god yeah yeah yeah like there's nothing can get at you like you're you're with god they
01:14:48.540can try but like you're in fellowship with god he's greater than everything he's got you okay
01:14:52.700what he's saying. God is faithful. I mean, before that he says, who shall also confirm you unto the
01:14:59.140end? Like you get with Jesus, he's going to confirm you unto the end. Like you have to submit to him
01:15:05.040though. Like if you don't submit to him, you're not going to stay faithful to the end. You're not
01:15:09.520going to confirm yourself unto the end. Your job is to stay faithful to him and he will confirm you
01:15:14.700unto the end that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful by whom
01:15:19.020you are called under the fellowship of his son, Jesus Christ, our Lord.
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01:16:54.520good about one through nine? Yeah, yeah. I guess it's really a hell of an intro, but it's an intro,
01:16:59.140yeah. Now we're being beseeched. Verse 10? Yeah. Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our
01:17:04.160Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you.
01:17:11.600Oh, well, whoops. But that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same
01:17:18.540judgment. So that's the first thing he says. And I would say that's glaringly obvious that it's
01:17:25.640one of the biggest faults of, you know, the church right now, is that there is a tremendous amount
01:17:31.120of division therefore or you know it's pretty evident by all the denominations um and that
01:17:37.260we're not perfectly joined together right but that's but that's staggering in light of like
01:17:43.300john 17 where jesus is praying to the father and he's praying for the unity of the church he's
01:17:48.180specifically praying that like they would be one as we are one that's staggering he's he's praying
01:17:53.800for that unity and i and i don't know i'm i don't have all the answers to this i don't know like
01:17:58.480where the modern church goes from here because there is we talk about it just being a minefield
01:18:03.100you go off to the right you're getting your right leg blown off you go to the left you're getting
01:18:06.000your left leg blown off like there's a straight narrow path there's a straight gate a narrow path
01:18:10.000like i i don't know who has all the answers right i know god does but like as far as people on the
01:18:15.040earth we constantly find ourselves in these disagreements over theology yeah over doctrine
01:18:20.540if you will and that and that's always coming from a person right like there's the doctrine
01:18:25.280of calvin right there's the doctrine of wesley like there's the doctrine of just go down the
01:18:29.640list it starts with a man who you know luther starts this doctrine starts and everybody kind
01:18:34.240of rallies around that and then boom the church divides over this type of stuff it also seems like
01:18:38.780those men aren't necessarily they have a lot of good points and a lot of keen insights and then
01:18:45.940what happens after that the denomination that's that branches off from their insights really gets
01:18:53.040mangled homogenized they get into their own bubble just ends up being nothing like like
01:18:58.300if john wesley saw the so-called methodist church today right it'd be it'd be a nightmare i hear0.91
01:19:03.460uh calvin crushes actually i was listening to uh nds bible study the other day and i believe that
01:19:10.740i don't want to misquote because you can't always see who's talking it's not like a name that shows
01:19:15.920you but it sounds like cherry and cherry is is saying that his church uh tremendous amount of
01:19:21.180it comes from calvinist doctrine um but it's a really holy spirit filled church that emphasizes
01:19:27.480above all things relationship with christ yeah and um but that there's a lot of good things
01:19:33.960sure in this calvinist doctrine sure uh yeah yeah dude calvin writes fire bro and from what i
01:19:39.740understand like the so-called calvinist doctrine it's it's it's exactly your point like a calvinist
01:19:46.380today is not even maybe nothing like calvin right but they may have kind of piggybacked on some of
01:19:52.380his points and they may have taken it too far right they may have emphasized they may be they
01:19:56.360may didn't take it too far but they emphasized it too much they made it too much of part of this
01:20:00.940bigger picture they made it kingdom of god made that so big that it was a source of division
01:20:05.280yeah it takes over everything and from what i understand and calvinists in the chat can correct
01:20:09.100me if i'm wrong is that calvinism uh so-called calvinism like the way we understand it today
01:20:14.400was a response to the Armenians who were explaining some particular doctrine. And then
01:20:20.000this is what happens too many times, man, is that like someone in the church, their response to
01:20:24.580what's being said just goes too far, dude. Like, like, for example, today you hear people say,
01:20:29.580God told me that, um, I'm going to be a millionaire or, or whatever. I don't know.
01:20:34.100God told me that, um, I don't know. Sometimes I remember people at work, uh, in my previous
01:20:39.120career, people saying, yeah, God told me I need to step down from this position. You know? And
01:20:42.780was like, well, no, no, you just don't want this position. So just say that. That's interesting.
01:20:46.500You end up with these things or God told me and they say some crazy thing. You go, well,
01:20:50.100that's funny because like that's outside of the Bible. Like that's, that's not consistent with
01:20:54.120the Bible. God didn't tell you that. So that goes on long enough until certain people develop a
01:20:59.160doctrine that says God doesn't speak to people anymore. He speaks to them through his word.
01:21:03.760And that's it. Right. And so the pendulum just goes way too far the other side. And it's just
01:21:08.380this back and forth where people are so desperate to prove that guy wrong that they swing the
01:21:12.420pendulum way too far to the other side right yep yep and so we end up with a lot of corrections
01:21:16.660over corrections but but this is ultimately like this is what's staggering so not only does jesus
01:21:21.940pray for the unity of the church in john 17 uh he says this in ephesians 4 it says uh but unto
01:21:28.260everyone starting in verse 7 ephesians 4 verse 7 but into every one of us is given grace according
01:21:32.960to the measure of the gift of christ wherefore he saith when he ascended up on high he led
01:21:37.640captivity captive and gave gifts unto men now that he ascended what is it but that he also
01:21:42.300descended first into the lower parts of the earth sorry that we don't have to unpack all that but
01:21:47.540that's what he said that's interesting though because it's like you know when people what do
01:21:51.720you think about the idea like you know the underworld hell however you want to phrase it
01:21:57.700is because they're specifically saying descended onto the lower parts of the earth as if there's
01:22:03.020a geographical location beneath the surface in the earth somewhere which i don't really have a
01:22:08.520problem with it seems that way i mean i'm not a scientist i don't know exactly but it looks like
01:22:13.800yeah he went into the lower parts of the earth and you see these different words and you can see
01:22:17.400some studies they talk about like hades and yeah yeah yeah like lower parts of the earth where
01:22:21.780angels are chained up sure and there are these instances in conspiracyville where um you have
01:22:27.580these inner earth stories and i think the one that uh is one of my favorite ones is um phil schneider
01:22:34.540who was a government contractor used to build deep underground military well he's not alive anymore
01:22:39.660um used to build deep underground military bases and uh for whatever reason he had to go
01:22:46.300subterranean in an elevator shaft to go i think like examine why his equipment was coming
01:22:51.500up messed up and long story short encounters entities gets gutted by them so by the time
01:22:58.220he starts spilling the beans he's missing like three digits on his hand he's got this entire
01:23:03.200scar down his abdomen and um and he's telling people that he was saved by a green beret or a
01:23:10.260black beret i don't know put him inside the elevator shaft and sent him back up to the
01:23:14.240surface and that that soldier ended up dying in in this altercation with this entity and phil goes
01:23:20.440on a speaking tour for a long time saying this and you would go well how does a guy ever get out
01:23:25.280and say those things wouldn't he be silenced and the amount of attempts on phil schneider's life
01:23:31.100were like insane shot through his car door car ran off the road eventually he ends up being uh
01:23:38.340physically handicapped and uh having to use a catheter like you know to to go to the bathroom
01:23:43.860and stuff and he is found ultimately with the catheter hose wrapped around his neck and you
01:23:52.100know you know offed himself that way after several life-threatening instances so so in other words
01:23:59.200if you're a conspiracy theorist it looks like they made multiple attempts on his life
01:24:02.360and then ended up killing him with his own what to silence the idea that something something is
01:24:06.680going on beneath the surface in actual way it's like even uh even the story of uh jesus tells
01:24:12.380a story i think it's like luke 16 about the rich man and lazarus not lazarus did he raise it from
01:24:17.400the dead but another uh like a like a bum not a bum but like a homeless person i know how you
01:24:22.440feel about homeless people so a beggar a beggar sorry king james a leech on society and they both
01:24:29.500end up in the place of the dead right and one's in abraham's bosom and one's on the other side0.56
01:24:33.920of the gulf and so it does i don't know you kind of there's this place of the dead yeah which it
01:24:39.280looks like jesus um you know went there dealt with the people in the place of the dead yeah i mean
01:24:46.080it's there's it looks like there's different departments yeah yeah it does like it's yeah
01:24:49.540which would make sense i mean you're you're dealing with um untold amounts of dead people
01:24:54.260you would need some governance yeah i mean no matter what it says he also descended first into
01:25:00.520the lower parts of the earth that's what it says i just find that really fascinating so yeah so he
01:25:05.200that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens that he might fill all
01:25:09.860things. And he, that's Jesus, gave some apostles, right? Which is what Paul alludes to when he
01:25:14.800starts his letters. He says, hey man, I'm an apostle and I've been called by Jesus. Like
01:25:19.620I've been given this position by Jesus. So that's the thing is like, you started talking about
01:25:23.260apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, and teachers. They're given that position by God,
01:25:28.500not cemetery school, not letters behind the name, not somebody else. It's crazy too. Now I'm not
01:25:33.640saying there's not this circular government where your apostles ordain elders there's that okay and
01:25:39.320elders raise up and send out apostles like we see that in the book of acts and we see that um
01:25:43.800you know where that will the uh elders fast and pray and send out paul and barnabas and then we
01:25:48.480see in like titus where an apostle tells titus go ordain elders in crete um so like you have this
01:25:55.580right but ultimately it's got to be called by god to do it when you frame it that way you know
01:26:01.180descends to the underworld right this location under the surface of the earth and then uh is
01:26:07.780resurrected by god and then ascends to the highest right in the sky the way that the language is used
01:26:13.340there it's in the sky right up straight upward yeah um and leaves apostles one of which being
01:26:19.940paul it's like the most intense sequence of events that any anyone has ever resurrection yeah and
01:26:26.960then he goes and now like as far as who's going to carry the baton like okay you like getting picked
01:26:32.720during that moment is insane yes it's insane but i would argue it's no different today no no i yeah
01:26:39.980for sure carrying the baton today now i'm not saying that apostles today are writing scripture
01:26:44.020i'm not saying that just like in the old testament like moses wrote the law like he wrote the first
01:26:48.840five books right so like he's responsible for the first five books people want to argue whether he
01:26:53.740wrote it because it talks about his death or whatever i don't know he's responsible for the
01:26:56.820first five books i think he wrote it and he can write it ahead of time it's no problem for him
01:27:00.380to write it ahead of time if god told maybe when he's writing it he's like wait what i don't know
01:27:04.540but i got no problem with the fact that he wrote it now elijah comes along and elijah's not writing
01:27:09.580the law moses has already written the law but that doesn't make elijah not a prophet right
01:27:13.960this was a prophet elijah was a prophet they've just had different roles based on the day that
01:27:18.240they lived in okay the same way i think it's a it's a beautiful word baton yeah we pass this
01:27:22.880baton on it keeps getting passed down through the generations like apostles prophets evangelists
01:27:27.480pastors and teachers still have these roles today right yeah it's they still have an operation in
01:27:32.940the church it just looks different from previous generations but it's still the same role sometimes
01:27:37.600i think about that in that context of that through line the baton getting passed and what we are
01:27:43.380pointing at and what we've been called by and what we're talking about every time we like we come in
01:27:49.320here. Not every time, right? Sometimes it's a silly goose time, but more often than not,
01:27:54.120we're hopefully leaving somebody oriented towards Christ a little bit more than they were before.
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01:29:35.440current you know time within that biblical context and i go it'd be rad to be in heaven
01:29:41.440one day and like reminiscing to some degree and be like yeah we were we were specifically from0.80
01:29:46.480the time of the dangerous retards yeah like that's a wild thought that the thought of like0.95
01:29:51.700watching our story in the light of the that's what i'm saying the entire arc so if you highlight it0.97
01:29:56.880on a timeline like right there that that big yellow spot that's a it's not like um us i'm0.95
01:30:03.300saying like this group of of people that have gathered around these dangerous retards that have0.94
01:30:07.080that have decided like oh yeah christ is the the focal point we should be moving towards that0.96
01:30:11.980i like that as being the era of the dangerous retards that's it i was alive during the time0.91
01:30:16.920of the day but there's a lot there's a lot of things today there's you know there's oh sure0.98
01:30:20.760there's that group and then there's the reformed guys the calvinist guys there's the pentecostals
01:30:24.760there's the charismatics like there's like there is all these groups man and it's just like okay
01:30:29.440I don't know exactly how God's going to work this out, but I do think at some point there's going to come a unity.
01:30:35.420I don't I don't know how he's going to pull that off.
01:30:37.300And I never claim to know how God operates or what he does, how he brings these things to pass.
01:30:42.080Because I look at the situation, I go, there's no way unity is going to happen, dude.
01:30:45.400Like the real ones within Protestantism, the real ones within ortho, the real ones within Catholic, the real ones within like Pentecost or Baptist cabinet, the real ones within all of those so-called institutions.
01:30:57.920yeah how is he gonna bring all of those into unity that's what i'm saying i just think it's funny
01:31:02.460man i'm like dude no chance like like if you ask me i say no there's no chance yeah this is this
01:31:06.500is unfixable like the way the body's divided today and fighting and cutting one another over doctrine
01:31:12.340it would take god yeah it would take god right to do that but but i just think that's really funny
01:31:17.200like being in some sort of situation in the future where you know you're talking to people and you go
02:15:23.520we'll have to end right there because we have talked about this before um and i remember i
02:15:29.680think it was in that so this is one of the passages probably yeah why because you went to
02:15:34.380corinthians a lot that day and it was less the cross of christ should be made of none effect
02:15:39.320and this is something that you talked about that the wisdom of words would make the cross of christ
02:15:47.040of none effect yeah which is an insane and and you have to unpack in this letter like that he's
02:15:52.200drawing a distinction between worldly wisdom and godly wisdom sure so we have to understand that
02:15:56.460too like we want the godly wisdom but when we approach this how was it worded yesterday dude
02:16:01.840something got said uh from tozer we can't uh manage uh heavenly things on an from an earthly
02:16:10.100perspective something to that point but i'm just saying like there's this big difference between
02:16:13.960like the wisdom of god and the wisdom of man yeah when you get in these debates and you're gonna
02:16:18.280crush everybody with wisdom of words. No problem. You win the debate. You're the big shot. You get
02:16:24.880the followers, you get the likes, but you just made the cross of Christ of no effect. That's
02:16:28.740insane. And that's funny. But it's all right here. Yeah. The reason I say it's insane is because
02:16:34.040I see it on the daily, like being plugged into X in the way that I am, where I'm going through
02:16:40.180the feed all the time. But even where people are using Bible passages to like prove a thing,
02:16:43.980But you're like, and they're doing the cross of Christ of none effect, it passes through a filter of their own intellect and their own wisdom. And that becomes the priority, which is the debate is a great example of that, because it's this constant trying to win, trying to win, which is like when you're trying to win, that's not necessarily trying to find the truth, right? That's also not a very humble, right approach to anything, right? It's like, no, if I'm in a so called debate with somebody, I'm trying to find some common ground, I'm trying to connect, I'm trying to bring us both closer to Christ, I'm not trying to win.
02:17:15.680That's what I see is these people with these, you know, this great intellect and, you know, they're so wise and they have every $5 to $10 word you could imagine under their belt and they're pulling it all out at once.