00:14:44.500i've been studying daniel and revelation for many many years and maybe before i get into
00:14:51.260verse 11 which which i applied to the united states let me just give you a little bit of
00:14:56.480background sure the way i look at this and and i can back this up i can document this very clearly
00:15:02.740is that when people read the prophecies of daniel and revelation there are different sets of glasses
00:15:08.780This is just a simple way to illustrate it, that people can wear when they read the prophecies.
00:15:15.000And there are some people that put on what we call the preterist glasses, which preterist meaning pre, going back before us.
00:15:24.740And the preterist viewpoint is that most of the book of Revelation has already been fulfilled in the time of John.
00:15:33.160When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, that was the end of the world, the end of the Jewish world.0.51
00:15:39.420When the book of Revelation talks about the beast, they would apply that to Nero.0.87
00:15:45.320So when they look at Revelation through those glasses, everything has happened in the past.
00:15:51.140Now, then there's another pair of glasses, which are more people wear them today, which is called the futurist, futurist glasses.
00:15:57.980And that basic idea is that almost all of Revelation, especially after chapter 4, is going to kick in after the rapture.
00:16:07.660When the church is taken up, the church age comes to an end, and then the seven years of tribulation, that's when almost everything kicks in.
00:16:17.540And that view has been popularized by Hal Lindsey in his book, The Late Great Planet Earth, in the 1970s, and the Left Behind series, co-written by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, or mostly Jerry Jenkins was the writer, Tim LaHaye's The Main Theologians.
00:16:34.340And you're probably familiar with the Left Behind series.
00:16:37.800It's all coming in the future after we just disappear.
00:16:41.640So preterism, that's one set of glasses.
00:16:44.440Futurism, that's another set of glasses people wear, and that's how they interpret the Bible.
00:16:48.340So there's another set which, unfortunately, has pretty much been relegated to the back burner, or it's been given up by most Protestants.
00:17:00.100But I believe that view is much more credible, and it's called the historical glasses or historicist.
00:17:07.540So historicism, when you read Daniel and Revelation, you see some prophecies happening in the past,
00:17:13.480and then you see a lot of it going on down throughout history, and it climaxes at the end.
00:17:19.600A simple example of that is Daniel chapter 2, which is really sort of the template for Daniel and Revelation.
00:17:27.200In Daniel chapter 2, King Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, has this dream of this big metal man with a head of gold and silver and bronze and iron.
00:17:36.800and then the toes, and then the rock comes down and crushes it and fills the earth.
00:17:41.520And so Daniel comes in and explains to the king that the head of gold represents Nebuchadnezzar
00:18:05.960So then there's the bronze, which is Greece. And then there's the legs of iron representing Rome. And the text says kingdom, kingdom, kingdom, kingdom. That's what the text says. And then finally, you've got the division at the toes where the Roman Empire is divided. And that division goes all the way down to the time when the rock comes down from the sky representing the return of Jesus.
00:18:29.220And it's very clear when you read the prophecy that that's what it's about.
00:18:32.880And my point is, it starts with Babylon.
00:18:35.220It goes to Persia, Greece, Rome, the divisions of Europe, and then the return of Jesus.
00:18:48.040It's a clear historical sweep, and that's called historicism.
00:18:51.420And that was the basic view of Martin Luther, Calvin, Huss, Jerome, Wesley, Spurgeon, the great Protestants of the past.
00:19:02.560They saw some of the prophecies being fulfilled in the time of Jesus.
00:19:06.200They saw going down through history, especially the great apostasy, the rise of the beast, the rise of the harlot in Revelation 17, and then finally the final crisis before the return of Jesus.
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00:25:56.220So the details that are in Revelation 13 are very similar, if not identical, to the details that are in Daniel chapter 7.
00:26:07.340So Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 go right together like a lock and a key.
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00:48:35.260The Protestant Reformation was to reform the church,
00:48:38.880to get it back to the Bible, to get it away from papal delusions
00:48:43.200and false teachings that were centered in a man,
00:48:47.080and you have to pray to Mary and you have to confess to a priest and you believe in purgatory
00:48:53.420and you have to make long journeys in order to earn the favor of God. I mean, the whole thing
00:49:00.000is a mammoth system of falsehood. And when you look back at Revelation 13, Revelation 13 calls
00:49:06.120this a beast in verse 2. And it says at the end of verse 2 that the dragon gave him his power,
00:49:12.320his seat, and great authority. And if you look at Daniel 7, you've got the lion was Babylon,
00:49:17.080and then the bear was Persia, the leopard was Greece, and the dragon represented the Roman
00:49:21.280Empire. And when the Roman Empire went down, it gave its seat of authority in Rome to the Pope.
00:49:29.980That's what happened. And then you say, you look at verse 5, he has a mouth speaking great things.
00:49:35.840You look at verse 6, he opens his mouth in blasphemy. You look at verse 7, it was given
00:49:41.680him to make war with the saints which is what he did during the dark ages the inquisitions the
00:49:47.840martyrs and then it says um in verse seven power would be given him over all kindreds tongues and
00:49:54.440nations and that's what that's what the papacy is all about it wants power it's had it has influence
00:50:02.400all around the world uh there's there's no christian or you know form of christianity you
00:50:10.160might say that's as strong as influential as powerful as the as the roman catholic church
00:50:17.580and so back to so this is a lot there's a lot of history behind this but the reason why
00:50:22.340our founding fathers or even before that the pilgrims left england was because they felt
00:50:29.480like england was cozying too close to the to the papacy even though england made a break
00:50:34.560from Europe, it was still, the Church of England was still very papal in what it was doing. And
00:50:42.200when it started persecuting those who didn't go along with the king and the non-conformists,0.92
00:50:48.260the Puritans, then they recognized that the Church of England is following in the footsteps
00:50:55.720of the papacy because it's using force, force in Europe, force in England. And so they left and
00:51:01.880they came over to America because they were looking for freedom. But unfortunately, the
00:51:05.940colonies didn't give a lot of freedom. That's why Roger Williams left the Massachusetts Bay Colony
00:51:11.680and he started Providence, Rhode Island because he was looking for freedom. And eventually the
00:51:17.260principles of freedom worked their way into the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution,
00:51:21.680and the Bill of Rights. And that's how America, the second beast, rose up with two horns like a
00:51:27.320lamb promoting the principles of religious freedom in contrast to the first beast but the amazing0.57
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00:52:07.900that brings me to something that I think is going to further this conversation along in a pretty
00:52:13.000pointed way, which is you have this nation that's predicated on all of these constitutional rights,
00:52:19.780this freedom of speech and freedom of religious expression. And how do you anticipate
00:52:25.820that turning in such a dramatic way that this this system this nation becomes that beast or
00:52:34.000comes to full fruition to embody that beast um because as of right now we're heralded as the
00:52:41.260beacon of of freedom you know in the world um and obviously that's uh a kind of benchmark that moves
00:52:49.840from time to time depending on where we are culturally and historically here in the west
00:52:54.300but there still would need to be a large pivot, which I'm certainly not against. I can see many
00:53:00.300ways that that might happen. How do you think that might happen? Yeah. So, um, let me, how do
00:53:06.980I phrase this question? How much information that I know do you want me to give you on this podcast?
00:53:17.140I mean, whatever, uh, you know, if we step in it, then we stepped in it. Let's go for it.
00:53:22.240Yeah. So we're about to step in it. And I'm going to present to you, well, part of me, half of me, or a lot of me is concluding this is what the Bible says.
00:59:51.540There's a lot of Roman influences in the United States, in our architecture, and also a lot of this is from the influence of the papacy, because the papacy, in Daniel 7, we have this fourth beast, which was the Roman Empire, and then it was divided among the ten horns.
01:00:13.080And the way Rome fell was because these barbarian Germanic tribes like the Huns and the Alemanni and the Franks and the Visigoths came into the empire and divided it up.
01:00:25.940And then another horn comes up, which is the papal power.0.64
01:10:10.580it's also in contrast in revelation seven,
01:10:13.360it talks about the seal of God in the forehead.
01:10:16.660God seals his people in the forehead and the devil marks his people in the
01:10:20.400forehead. We're dealing with forehead terminology. And forehead terminology in the Old Testament
01:10:25.880is not primarily dealing with a tattoo. It's dealing with what's going on in the mind,
01:10:32.740in the forehead. God says in Hebrews, I will write my law in their mind. So the forehead has to do
01:10:38.880with some mark of the papacy going into the minds and into the actions. The forehead represents the
01:10:46.160mind, the hand represents the actions that's being enforced at the end of time, which is basically a
01:10:53.660sign of loyalty to the beast, which is ultimately a sign of loyalty to the devil, because the devil's
01:11:01.300behind the beast. And so you might say, Steve, like there could be, let's say, we saw a test run
01:11:07.200of that, David, like during COVID times, the test run was, it was the propaganda, if you believe it.
01:11:14.620yeah and there was also an action arm to that and that was a very light test although like you know
01:11:19.060it's the it's the marching orders and the willingness to carry it out right it was a soft
01:11:24.920test because it wasn't like physical harm but it was almost like it got i was from new york for a
01:11:30.140while it got to round up your neighbors and you know when you do those things like what are you
01:11:34.160okay with that is so we're talking about this christian nationalism thing being uh flying in
01:11:38.020the face of a previous status quo that was leftist and ideological etc the the greatest way to do
01:11:44.380that again is to vindicate the other side and to to to actually empower them to execute what they
01:11:52.240think is right against the previous status quo so in other words you would justify all of the
01:11:58.800things that you're doing under the guise of christian nationalism because of all of the
01:12:03.680things that befell us during covid uh you know during let's say all the leftist ideological
01:12:09.900warfare during x y and z well let me let me just say ask you this even i don't want to like uh i
01:12:15.440don't know where you you sit on this topic but when when charlie kirk was assassinated there was
01:12:20.840a huge vacuum of power in tp usa and when you when you're talking about like the nar movement um
01:12:30.060it seems like they're wrapped up they're kind of wrapped up in that as well and i don't i don't
01:12:37.800know how to even verbalize this, but it's almost like Charlie had to be moved out of the way for
01:12:41.620that organization to be an empty shell of whatever it was before. And now it's moving in that
01:12:47.620direction of Christian nationalism. You're right. You got it, man. We're all tracking together.
01:12:53.840You're seeing the same things that I'm seeing that a lot of people are seeing, but there's
01:12:59.160another step that we need to really get into. And like I said, seatbelt time, 10 seatbelts.
01:13:07.800because this is going to be heavy, but I believe the evidence is all over the place.
01:13:13.000So let me start building my case. So go to Daniel 7. Put Daniel 7 up on the screen.
01:13:20.720Yeah, this is interesting, though. I see not only the scriptural basis, but the logic,
01:13:27.140if you're just watching where things are going.
01:13:30.360That's right. So Daniel 7, we've got the four beasts. The fourth beast was Rome. It had 10
01:13:37.240horns and then the little horn comes up which was the papal power the the christian uh it was it was
01:13:45.140the roman the roman empire morphed into the papacy which was a a form of christianity
01:13:54.380that used force and then when you look at the characteristics of that little horn
01:14:01.960in verse, let's see, so you've got verse 8. Verse 8 says, I considered the horns, this was the 11th
01:14:11.600horn. Behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the
01:14:15.180first horns plucked up by the roots. Behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and
01:14:20.200a mouth speaking great things. Protestants believed that the man was the pope, who was the head of
01:14:25.020this power, and it had a mouth speaking great things. And when you keep reading, it has
01:14:29.080characteristics. If you go to verse 21, scroll down to verse 21, here's another characteristic
01:14:36.820of the little horn. I beheld the same horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them.
01:14:41.240And that's exactly what happened during the dark ages for over a thousand years.0.54
01:14:44.520It's written in the history books, written in the blood of the saints. It's the persecution
01:14:48.880of the Roman Catholic system led by the Pope. Now go down to verse 25.
01:14:54.280verse 25 says that referring to the little horn he will speak great words against the most high
01:15:02.840which is what the pape the pope did and and continues to do he will wear out the saints
01:15:09.580of the most high there's the persecution of the saints and then it says notice he will think
01:15:14.840to change times and laws that's very interesting because where do you think
01:15:21.560You think in your forehead. And what does he think to do is to change the law of God,
01:15:30.660times and laws. Now, when you compare this to Revelation 13, like I said, Daniel 7 and
01:15:37.720Revelation 13 go right together. Now switch over to chapter 13, Revelation 13.
01:15:46.300You used the blue letter Bible, which is what I used to. So now when you get to the end of
01:15:51.160chapter 13 verse 16 it says he causes all both small and great rich and poor free and bond to
01:15:58.500receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads so in Daniel 7 the one of the last
01:16:04.460characteristics of the horn is he thinks to change God's law and at the end of Revelation 13
01:16:12.360you have a mark so Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 they go right together lion lion bear bear leopard
01:16:19.320leopard, dragon, dragon, ten horns, mouth speaking great things, war on the saints. They go right0.85
01:16:24.020together. And then at the end of Daniel 7, you have the horn thinking to change God's law. And
01:16:30.040at the end of chapter 13, there's a mark. And I build my case that the mark and the change are
01:16:37.940the same. That the changing of the law becomes the mark of the beast. Let's just say hypothetical
01:16:45.600illustration that you and I were sitting right here together, and you really didn't like where
01:16:49.940I was going with this, and you decided to take your fist and hit me in the eye, and you changed
01:16:55.160my eye, what would you see the next day right here? You would see a mark. That's right. You'd
01:17:03.020see a mark. So a change becomes a mark. So the scripture points us in the direction that the
01:17:10.160papal power has changed something. It's changed God's law, and that becomes a mark. Now, go back
01:17:18.660to Revelation chapter 14, and I'm getting to my bottom line, but I just got to build my case.
01:17:26.260You know, as we do that, I just want to say that this is making a lot of sense to me because
01:17:31.700historically speaking it's ideas and ideas and and also large governments that are making these
01:17:41.280movements like it it was always very abstract to think of this as one guy in a suit that's doing
01:17:47.200a thing yeah yeah it's almost impossible to do and he's doing a thing specifically with technology
01:17:52.220or something like that you know implanting it in you but like historically just given human nature
01:17:58.240ideas have always been much more i mean that's the defining thing when the daniel seven when when i
01:18:05.860when i read that i always say yeah he thinks he's what does it say he thinks to change
01:18:11.540so he's thinking about it no no no literally like that that's what we're talking about yeah
01:18:17.080this is a proliferation of propaganda to change time right i mean propaganda is a great example
01:18:23.480propaganda is how you sway nations that's how you change that's that's how you create eras of
01:18:28.400humanity you know historically speaking is propaganda the the uh proliferation of ideas
01:18:34.560so in that context this makes a ton of sense it does it make and it's biblical so so thinking to
01:18:42.720change times and laws and mark in the forehead parallel because you think in your forehead the
01:18:50.100mark in the forehead. Change, you change, and there's mark. You've got the forehead changing,
01:18:56.920mark. It all fits together. Now, if you go to chapter 14, here's where it all hits.
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01:19:29.220you try whoop free for 30 days at whoop.com revelation 14 so there's what's called three
01:19:38.820angels messages i don't know if you've ever really studied those the three angels they're in
01:19:44.320go to chapter 14, verse 6. In verse 6 and 7, that's what we call the first angel's message.
01:19:56.040I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to them
01:20:00.480that dwell upon the earth, to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, saying with a loud
01:20:04.420voice, fear God and give glory to him for the hour of his judgment is come and worship him that made
01:20:11.220heaven and the earth and the sea and the fountains of waters. So the first angel basically says we
01:20:16.660need to follow the gospel, who is Jesus. We need to realize we're in a judgment time. We need to
01:20:21.380fear God, and we need to worship him as the maker of heaven and the earth, the sea, and everything
01:20:27.820in it. And then verse 8 describes the fall of Babylon, second angel's message. There followed
01:20:32.860another angel saying Babylon has fallen, has fallen that great city, because she made all the0.90
01:20:37.520nations drink the wine of the wrath of her fornication. And Babylon, I see as the papal power0.77
01:20:42.540influencing the world with its deceptions. And then you go down to verse 9, 9 to 12 is what we0.99
01:20:50.220call the third angel's message. And look at this closely. The third angel followed, saying with a
01:20:56.220loud voice, if any man worships the beast and his image, so the beast is the papacy, the image is in
01:21:03.080America and receives his mark in his forehead or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of
01:21:09.320the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation. He'll
01:21:14.160be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence
01:21:17.880of the lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever, and they have no
01:21:22.080rest day or night who worship the beast, there's the papacy, and his image in America and whoever
01:21:27.560receives that mark of his name. And then verse 12 says, here is the patience of the saints.
01:21:36.140Here are they that keep the commandments of God in the faith of Jesus. And those saints don't get
01:21:41.880the mark. So let me kind of build my case here, and then I'll make the application. So in verse
01:21:48.460seven, it says, worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the fountains of waters. That's
01:21:56.080verse 7. We need to worship our creator. And then verse 9 says, don't worship the beast in the image
01:22:03.280and get the mark. So worship, there's a line dealing with true and false worship. The true
01:22:10.320worship is to worship the creator. The false worship is to worship the beast in the image
01:22:15.640and get the mark. And then when you go down to verse 12, it describes the people who don't get
01:22:21.700the mark. Here is the patience of the saints. Here are they that keep the commandments of God
01:22:28.760and the faith of Jesus. So on the one side is the worship of the creator. On the other side is the
01:22:35.620beast, the image and the mark. And then on the good side is keeping the commandments and the
01:22:42.680faith of Jesus. Now here we go. When you look at the 10 commandments, there's only, remember the
01:22:49.880little horn tries to change God's law. When you look at the 10 commandments, there's only one
01:22:55.500of the 10 that talks about worshiping the one who made heaven, the earth, the sea, and everything in
01:23:06.160it. And I don't know. And it's also the only commandment that says, remember, which has to
01:23:11.920do with your forehead. You remember in your forehead. And I don't know if you can guess
01:23:18.220which commandment that is? I don't know if you've ever really looked at that closely.
01:23:22.800No. Okay, let's go to, so let's go to Exodus chapter 20 and we'll read it. Exodus 20 is the
01:23:30.300chapter that deals with the Ten Commandments. By the way, a quick aside before we depart from
01:23:36.060Revelation 14.9, it says, if any man worship the beast and his image and receive his mark
01:23:43.520in his forehead or in his hand so it's an interesting um because if we're drawing a
01:23:49.100delineation forehead is uh let's say to internalize an ideology and hand is to execute the marching
01:23:55.820order associated with the ideology um and maybe that's too reductive in the context of what we've
01:24:00.860been talking about but let's let's say that is the case there there seems an either or
01:24:06.260and it maybe there's a both so in other words internalizing the ideology and then going forward
01:24:11.880and executing or not believing this idea, but still going forward and executing it anyway,
01:24:18.180or believing this idea, but not executing it. Like all of these things are bad. So you can
01:24:24.180internalize the thing and not have the convictions to execute it. And you can also not internalize
01:24:30.580the thing, but still be pressured to go and execute it. Exactly. So some people you're right
01:24:36.560on track so when the mark is enforced there are some people that are going to believe a lie
01:24:43.180they're going to believe the deception they're going to internalize it and they're going to do
01:24:47.840it because they are dc and they think it's the right thing to do but there's going to be other
01:24:54.200people that that they don't believe it they think i don't think this is the right thing but because
01:24:59.480of the pressure the economic pressure they're going to go along with it those who believe it
01:25:04.400get the mark in their forehead. Those who don't believe it, but go along with it, they get the
01:25:08.940mark in their hands. And then you could get feasibly both. It seems like all the cards are
01:25:15.600on the table. If this third angel is telling all the people on earth, worship God. So now there's
01:25:22.600an angel present and it's like, here's God. It seems like it'll be pretty black and white,
01:25:28.340the decision. Yeah, that's interesting. I believe that. It's going to be black and white. It's
01:25:33.080going to be very clear, and the whole world is going to have to make a final choice. Am I going
01:25:39.440to go along with the beast, the image, and his mark? Or am I going to go along with my maker,
01:25:47.020the maker of heaven and earth, and through my faith in Jesus, keep the commandments of God
01:25:54.180and the faith of Jesus? That's what the text says. And that's where the line is drawn. And it's not
01:25:59.980my line. It's the biblical line. It's right there. When you read it, it's right there.
01:26:06.540So now let's go to Exodus chapter 20, which is the chapter that describes the Ten Commandments.
01:26:14.040Now, when you look at the Ten Commandments, I don't know how much you've studied the Ten
01:26:18.860Commandments, but I know them all by heart. First one is no other gods before God. Second one is no
01:26:25.480idols. Third one is don't take God's name in vain. The fifth one is honor your father and mother.
01:26:30.980Sixth one is don't murder. Seventh one is don't commit adultery. Eighth one is don't steal.
01:26:36.100Ninth one is don't bear false witness or lie. And the last one is don't covet. But the commandment
01:26:42.980that deals with the creator, and there's only one, is the fourth commandment. And that's in verses
01:26:49.9808 to 11. So there it says, remember. And where do you remember? In your forehead. Remember the
01:27:00.680Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day
01:27:06.820is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall not do any work. You nor your son, your
01:27:12.140daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your0.58
01:27:17.620gates. And notice verse 11, for in six days, the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that
01:27:28.000in them is, which is the same thing the first angel says, worship him who made heaven and earth
01:27:34.960and sea and the fountains of waters. And then it says, and the Lord rested on the seventh day,
01:27:42.460wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and he hallowed it. Now I wrote a book called The Truth
01:27:50.100About the Sabbath. This is one of my books. And I want to read a quote to you from a Roman
01:27:56.800Catholic catechism. And I've actually got that catechism around the corner. And this is from
01:28:03.860Peter Geierman's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine. And it says, question, what day is the Sabbath
01:28:11.260day? Answer, Saturday's the Sabbath day. Question, why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
01:28:17.200Answer, we observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the
01:28:23.680solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. And I've got a whole list of quotes from Catholic authorities.
01:28:30.760I've got a whole list here from Protestant authorities, from Lutherans, Baptists,
01:28:38.000Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, all these quotes that recognize that
01:28:46.720the original biblical Sabbath is from sundown Friday night to sundown Saturday night, and the
01:28:53.540Catholic Church comes out and says, we changed the day. And that fulfills the prophecy. What was that?0.51
01:29:01.060Changed the times. Yeah, and they changed the times. That's right. And their change eventually
01:29:06.820becomes a mark. Now, I don't believe anybody has the mark of the beast right now. But if all of
01:29:11.300this is true, and to me, the evidence is very clear. And you mentioned Charlie Kirk, I thought
01:29:15.540it was very interesting. I've got his book right here, Stop in the Name of God, which was where
01:29:20.340Charlie discovered the Sabbath, that the seventh day is the Sabbath. And he was moving in that
01:29:26.860direction. And he wrote this book. It came out after he died. It was a runaway bestseller. And
01:29:33.080And one of you mentioned that you think maybe, you know, the devil wanted to take him out because he was going in the right direction with the Sabbath.0.88
01:29:42.900And so I believe that's that's what happened.
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01:30:16.400And there's a lot of history behind this that the Catholic Church,
01:30:19.720and there's also a statement I've got in my book where the Roman Catholic Church says Sunday is our mark.
01:30:25.160it's a mark of our authority as the true church of jesus christ in the earth and if all of this
01:30:32.780is pointing us in the right direction then what that means is that one of these days
01:30:37.460the united states is going to enforce the keeping of sunday which goes back to the catholic church
01:30:44.700as an effort to bring america back to god and to save the world that's interesting oh no that's
01:30:52.340where we're going. Now, if you go back to the colonies, the Massachusetts Bay Colony,
01:30:57.160they had strict Sunday laws. Almost all of the colonies enforced Sunday. And if you didn't go
01:31:02.920along with Sunday, if you didn't baptize your baby, because they believed in infant baptism,
01:31:07.200and if you didn't keep Sunday, you were in big trouble. But eventually those laws, they were
01:31:12.060called blue laws, they were removed, or at least they weren't enforced. And finally, through Roger
01:31:20.340Williams, and then later Madison and Jefferson, we put into the Constitution the principle that0.97
01:31:26.200government is not to enforce religion or prohibited the free exercise thereof, because we didn't want
01:31:31.000Sunday laws, we didn't want infant baptism laws, we didn't want all these laws. But there is a
01:31:36.660movement afoot right now, and it's called Christian nationalism. And I've watched videos where these
01:31:43.740top Christian nationalists are saying, we need to get back to the Bible, we need to get back to the
01:31:48.160Ten Commandments, and we need to reinforce the blue laws. We need to enforce blasphemy laws1.00
01:31:53.360and blue laws in order to bring America back to God. And I've got all kinds of quotes that I could1.00
01:31:59.960show you from ABC News, Fox News, all kinds of networks where they're discussing, should we get
01:32:06.200back to the blue laws, get back to the Sunday laws? And we're not quite there yet, but the movement
01:32:12.080is growing. So what I see happening is that because as America continues to go down and we
01:32:19.000get in trouble, we are in trouble, the movement to bring America back to God is going to grow.0.93
01:32:24.860And the Christian nationalism and the new apostolic reformation, there's going to be0.86
01:32:29.600signs and wonders and miracles to convince people that we've all got to come back to God. And the
01:32:37.800way we're going to do it is by all keeping Sunday. And the popes have been in favor of Sunday laws
01:32:44.200for years. And now Protestants are pushing for Sunday laws. And the ultimate issue when the0.92
01:32:50.860crisis hits and Sunday's enforced, then everybody's going to have to make a choice. Am I going to go
01:32:57.180along with the Bible, with Jesus, with my maker, the maker of heaven and earth, who at the beginning
01:33:02.220of time made the world in six days and rested on the seventh? Or am I going to go along with the
01:33:07.660beast in the image and accept his mark. And that's going to be the issue. And everybody's got to
01:33:13.280decide whose side am I on, the beast or my maker? And it makes so much sense. Like you talked about
01:33:19.400how it's got to be black and white, and it is going to be black and white. God took his own0.80
01:33:23.940finger and wrote 10 commandments on stone. And he put in the fourth commandment in the heart of the
01:33:29.240law. Remember the Sabbath, keep it holy because I'm the maker who made the earth in six days and
01:33:35.200rest and on the seventh. And the beast is a counterfeit system, and the mark is a counterfeit
01:33:40.740system, a counterfeit of God's day to convince people to ultimately break God's law, which is
01:33:49.580going to put them on the side of the first transgressor, who is the devil himself. And
01:33:55.840these are the issues that are going to hit the world in the future.
01:34:00.320quick question all right so i assume you go to church or you go to a church okay uh is it on
01:34:07.700sunday no it's on saturday it's on saturday well okay i guess that's uh that's a denomination is
01:34:13.740that a specific denomination yes uh the church that i go to is seventh day adventist right yeah
01:34:20.860people people it's kind of a funny saying people say there's three things three things you can find
01:34:26.320anywhere in the world, wherever you go. You can find Coca-Cola, you can find a Roman Catholic,
01:34:32.940and you can find a Seventh-day Adventist. The Seventh-day Adventist is a movement that's all
01:34:38.560over the world, and it's the only movement that I'm aware of that is teaching the three angels
01:34:43.520messages, the first angel, the second angel, the third angel, and building our case that the Seventh
01:34:49.540Day is one of the Ten Commandments. We need to worship the Creator, not worship the beast,
01:34:54.200get the mark. We're historicists. We're not a perfect church, but this is what we believe.
01:35:00.160And there's also Seventh-day Baptists. There's Seventh-day Pentecostals. But Seventh-day Adventist
01:35:05.380Church is the largest church in the world that is teaching the three angels. Our name Seventh-day
01:35:13.700Adventist means we keep the seventh day because it's one of the Ten Commandments, and we're
01:35:18.060waiting for the advent of Christ. We're waiting for Jesus to come. And people attack us. They
01:35:23.580they say this or that or whatever. But my response is, what does the Bible say? What does Jesus say?
01:35:32.020Jesus was a Sabbath keeper. He went to synagogue on the Sabbath. He healed on the Sabbath. He said0.83
01:35:37.300he was Lord of the Sabbath. And here's something else. He never mentioned the first day of the
01:35:43.140week, which is Sunday. He rose from the dead on the first day of the week, but he never mentioned
01:35:47.720even one time. In his whole ministry, not Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus never used the phrase
01:35:55.240first day of the week in his entire ministry. And he gave the church authority to teach what he
01:36:02.620taught. And Sunday is not part of that. And if you look at history, you find eventually because
01:36:08.820the Roman Empire made war with the Jews in 70 AD and destroyed Jerusalem, and the Roman church was
01:36:15.300growing in rome and it became very unpopular for the roman church to be like the jews in rome when
01:36:22.740rome was at war with the with the jews so they shifted gears and they said we don't want to keep
01:36:28.860sabbath because we don't want to be like the jews and the jews killed christ they said
01:36:32.020which is half true some did but a lot of them didn't you know matthew no man takes my life i0.52
01:36:38.660lay it down willingly right so it's like that's right what man in turn or intended for evil
01:36:43.900god intended for good so you know that's right that's right so but so the argument the catholics
01:36:51.000gave in rome what for changing the sabbath into sunday was that jesus rose on sunday and we don't
01:36:59.760want to be like the jews who killed christ and that and eventually the roman church as it as0.69
01:37:04.880the roman empire went down and the roman church came up uh eventually set the switch became more
01:37:12.100popular until it worked its way into the majority of Christianity. And it's also very interesting
01:37:17.280that Constantine, who was the first Roman emperor who was, quote, a Christian, who worshipped
01:37:24.140Apollo, you mentioned Apollo, he had coins printed. On one side was a picture of Apollo,
01:37:30.320the other side was him, and the other side was the picture of the sun god, Apollo. Apollo was
01:37:34.320the god of the sun, and that's where Sunday comes in. So Constantine merged paganism and Christianity0.55
01:37:41.780and when Constantine came, the Catholics convinced Constantine to enforce Sunday to save the Roman0.58
01:37:50.900Empire. And Constantine was the very first person who ever passed a Sunday law, a blue law. It was
01:37:57.960in the year 321 AD. He enforced Sunday as an effort to try to save Rome from the pagan influences.0.97
01:38:05.780And what happened with the rise of the beast is going to happen with the rise of the image.0.87
01:38:09.800it's going to do the same thing. In the name of saving America, we need to come back to God and
01:38:15.440enforce Sunday laws to try to, you know, rescue America. And the Christian nationalists are going0.54
01:38:22.500to be right on top of this, doing this. And so are, or at least a lot of them. And so is the
01:38:28.640new apostolic reformation, which is providing the signs and wonders and miracles to support the
01:38:34.520movement and that's all revelation 13 straight down the line i got another question and i want
01:38:40.560to respect your time but i'd have sure that's okay i'll take as much time as you as you want
01:38:45.100okay um well all right but what's more important to ask i okay i think this is this is more
01:38:52.120important we're talking about uh the catholics and and roman catholicism your body is always
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01:39:26.340whoop.com. Lately, the movement that is garnering this Christian national revolution idea is the
01:39:36.820foment of, there's a feeling towards the Jews and Israel lately. And some of it is kind of
01:39:49.540deserved because they're doing some wacky stuff there. But a lot of this movement is then pointing
01:39:54.820back toward that idea of well when you look at it on its face the image of it is this roman0.82
01:40:00.900catholicism right this uh we have to do something about the jews and as you mentioned man what a0.95
01:40:06.960perfect storm like these elements that we're talking but it is a perfect storm when you said
01:40:10.800like all right so half of the jews half of it was the jews and half of it was the the romans who0.55
01:40:15.440killed christ and they both have part in this and obviously there's a huge remnant of jews that had
01:40:19.980nothing to do with this right but those two forces kind of worked in conjunction to do this thing
01:40:25.720and now i'm watching it like you get we get swept up in the moment and you see a lot of stuff and
01:40:30.240you go wow that's pretty bad on the world stage but as we're watching it it seems like we're being
01:40:35.720led in a certain direction to feel this way about a nation and you gotta wonder who's behind it
01:40:42.660because it seems very do you understand what i'm kind of getting at here and what i'm asking yeah
01:40:48.200I probably, I don't think I mentioned this, but Wahlberg, my last name, is a Jewish name.
01:40:55.480I grew up in a secular Jewish home in Southern California in the Hollywood Hills.
01:41:02.700And I was totally just, I was lost.0.84
01:41:05.400I got into drugs as a teenager, the wildlife.
01:41:08.560And when I was 20 years old, I read a book on the life of Jesus.
01:41:11.760And I became a Jewish believer in Jesus.
01:41:14.980And then I learned about the Sabbath, which fit perfectly because it's one of the Ten Commandments and I became a Sabbath keeper.0.88
01:41:22.320But what's happening with the Christian world is their eschatology about end time events, at least the prophecy minded Christians, entirely revolves around the Jews and Israel.0.72
01:41:41.880And they believe, this is what dispensationalism believes, and I don't believe that, that we're0.77
01:41:46.160in the church age, and when the church is removed, God is going to fulfill all his promises
01:44:14.460Paul talks about in the New Testament about Israel of the flesh, which is what I was,
01:44:18.380and then the Israel of God that is composed of Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus.
01:44:23.160And that's what I believe is that God has a people, a Jew and Gentile, who believe in Jesus,
01:44:30.020they're part of the body of Christ. And at the end of time, they're going to fully keep the
01:44:33.740commandments, including the Sabbath, and they're not going to go along with the papal apostasy.
01:44:38.320And they're going to be centered in Jesus Christ. And that is biblical. It's just solid biblical.
01:44:43.320And the error of the evangelical eschatology is that the Jewish state, whether they're believers or not, becomes the center of the end-time events.0.82
01:44:53.720And I think it's a massive, satanic, orchestrated delusion so that people don't understand Revelation 13, the first beast, the second beast, the image of the beast, the false miracles, and the mark.0.95
01:45:06.300Sorry, it's an excellent explanation for what we've been witnessing for the last couple of years.
01:45:12.900because it's like it gets very frustrating when we have to look at these events and go why is this
01:45:19.160going number one this is probably happening all throughout the world but why is it being broadcast
01:45:23.840and put right in front of everyone's faces yeah why is it monetized now on twitter and other places
01:45:28.920it's specifically aimed at americans which i think is unique to the time it's popularized to talk
01:45:33.620about this thing and they actually want people to do this and i when that happens we got to step
01:45:37.280back and go or why 100 what are you doing and so i think that kind of brings me to um a good way to
01:45:43.420bring this in for a landing we talked about what questions are important or what things are
01:45:47.540important to talk about only moments ago i think that you know we just passed the 250th anniversary
01:45:55.120of america and given everything that we've talked about here there's so many we joked we said this
01:46:01.760like this perfect storm right there's so many elements that that are really set in play right
01:46:06.260now um to work pretty magnificently together what should christians be focusing on in this time this
01:46:15.140is a really elaborate deception it's a really great one um and so what what is your recommendation
01:46:23.540should i tell my church to go to uh do it on saturdays yeah yeah tell them no more on sunday
01:46:28.380i don't think they're gonna do it yeah what should what should people be focusing on yeah well we
01:46:32.920need to focus on Jesus and on the Bible and on the truth. And any true Christian wants Jesus to
01:46:41.300be the center of their lives. And Jesus very clearly taught that if you have a choice between
01:46:47.480the word of God and the commandments of God versus the traditions of men, that you follow
01:46:54.760the commandments of God. Jesus talked to the Pharisees and he said, in vain do you worship me,
01:46:59.840teaching for doctrines, the commandments of men. Jesus is very clear on that. So I think people
01:47:06.400need to, they need to learn. Like I mentioned in Daniel 12, 4, in the time of the end,
01:47:12.860knowledge will increase. There's a lot of true Christians out there that keep Sunday.0.81
01:47:19.100I have my step family, they're charismatic. My dad, before he died, he's Jewish, but he became
01:47:27.520a believer in Jesus and went to the Presbyterian church. So we, I have, my brother is married to a
01:47:33.540Catholic and we have a lot of influences in my family, but they know that I believe in the Bible
01:47:41.020and in Jesus and in the 10 commandments written with the finger of God, which to me is non-negotiable
01:47:46.100and I keep the seventh day Sabbath. And I think, you know, the way to go is to find people that
01:47:53.320open and share with them little by little so that knowledge will increase. I mean, if you notice,
01:48:00.600I didn't tackle this topic at the beginning of our podcast. I built this podcast. I built my
01:48:06.780case step-by-step and I gave biblical evidence. And I think that's the way to go. But the main
01:48:13.820thing you guys need to do is to study this out for yourself and just be confirmed in your own
01:48:19.560mind that what I'm saying is really, truly biblical. And as you do that and become convinced
01:48:26.160in your own mind, your own conscience, this is right, then to share it with people as you can.
01:48:33.080So White Horse Media, we have this book, The Truth About the Sabbath. It's a little book,
01:48:38.460a couple bucks, and it's loaded with historical evidence. It looks at what Jesus taught,
01:48:44.520how he lived it looks at how the catholic church changed the sabbath uh it's in there somewhat yeah
01:48:50.140there it is right in the middle i see you just passed there it is yeah yeah the truth about the
01:48:54.860sabbath that book is a white horse media book that we have and it's and people can read it and they
01:49:01.360can study it and they can come to their come to their own conclusions yeah the truth about the
01:49:06.480sabbath it's very very uh it's solid and it's also centered in jesus because jesus said he's lord of
01:49:13.060the Sabbath. We don't believe in the 10 commandments and put Jesus over on the back burner.
01:49:17.120We believe in Jesus. And because Jesus kept the Sabbath and he said, if you love me, keep my
01:49:21.640commandments. We want to keep the commandments, not because we're saved by works, but we're saved
01:49:26.460by grace. And we want to obey the Lord. Now we have another book I'll mention. This is called
01:49:32.500The Light at the End. And it's a little book. It's a sharing book. I don't know if you can
01:49:37.160put your finger on it on the website but if you can't the light at the end what this book does
01:49:43.720is it goes through who the first beast is who the second beast is the image of the beast is
01:49:50.080the false revivals what those are about what the mark of the beast is and how god is calling us to
01:49:56.240be among the saints revelation 14 12 keep the commandments of god the faith of jesus we're
01:50:02.820centered in Jesus, and we worship the maker of heaven and earth. And so both of these books
01:50:07.660really are great to share, to study with, you know, whoever you want to be good for you to
01:50:14.260read it and get more convinced and solidified in your mind, and then to share this. And that's what
01:50:19.660I do. And I do a lot of podcasts like this interview, and I don't probably maybe 5% we get
01:50:27.340into these topics because a lot of people are not quite ready for this. But I just sensed from
01:50:34.800the two of you that your spirits are wide open and you want to know. And you've been tracking
01:50:41.520with me, and this has been fantastic. So I appreciate the time that I've had with you.
01:50:46.600And anytime you want me back, you want to discuss more, that's why I'm here.
01:50:51.860god is good jesus loves us and he wants us to follow him all the way amen amen thank you for
01:50:59.680coming yeah i i'm gonna i think i'm gonna pick up a couple of uh those books because uh we we
01:51:04.560operate out of a coffee shop in the front and there's a christian library right in the back
01:51:08.880this is a very strange place podcast in the middle but uh white white horse media would have
01:51:14.380a pretty decent section in there i think we should pick some stuff up from you thank you for thanks
01:51:19.440you're taking the time to talk with us, man. This was a great episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes
01:51:23.460you don't know what you're going to get into. Obviously, Revelation is always, like I said,
01:51:27.900a fascinating topic. This is a great conversation, Steve. And it gave us, and I'm sure the audience,
01:51:32.560a lot to think about, and we will be thinking about it. So thank you very much.
01:51:37.300Yeah, boy, you are so welcome, both of you. And famous last words are, be like the Bereans,
01:51:44.560study these things from the bible to see if they're so and i believe the the evidence is there
01:51:51.580and keep jesus in the middle of our lives don't you know we need to avoid avoid any kind of
01:51:57.820forced christianity we need to see the basic stream of history i believe in the principles
01:52:04.620of america and the constitution and our bill of rights and jesus is lord and he's coming back
01:52:10.920and we want to be ready for the big day.
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