Misconceptions about Heaven: The Book of Revelation Series Part XXII w⧸ Ed Mabrie
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We are back with the continuation of our Book of Revelation series. In this episode, we re welcoming back Ed Mabry, creator of the daily bible study series and host of the weekly bible study show called .
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on and what's really going on is absolutely oh yeah dude there's some nephilim shit
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it's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave
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they're controlling this now and no one's talking about how they made us try to be slaves
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and everybody's just walking around heading across and want to wake up to a dead in the grave
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but then it's too late we need to be ready to raise up welcome to the end of day
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welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of nephilim death squad i am david lee
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corbo aka the raven that is top lobster the father of disinformation and today is friday ladies and
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gentlemen and fridays are for the lord and so we are back with the continuation of our book of revelation
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series let me read these roman numeral 22 22 episode number 22 we are welcoming back ed mabry
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ed for the people uh can you let everybody know where they can find your work yes um you can find me on
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faithbyreason.net www faithbyreason.net also um youtube and um and um x twitter and um got a couple
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other things in the works that'll probably be rolling out in maybe february um a patreon well
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i'll give you guys some more information on that as we as we go along but i'm gonna have a couple of
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tiers for things like bonus content and that that'll be above and beyond the genesis series i'm i'm doing
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now so some bonus stuff and um some uh in q a's you guys send in your questions um and i get i get a ton
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of questions from you guys i really appreciate it and this will just be a way i can just be dedicated and
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just answer some questions every week so as it's forming up and i think it'll be ready to go next
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month but uh yeah that's that's what i'm planning because i'm doing right now well i i already lost
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five dollars so let me know when that's up and maybe ten dollars i think the the monthly bible study
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thing when do you do that okay that will be kicking off on probably the the third sunday in in february
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then the third sunday after that that's kind of our cadence we do it we basically we go through the
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entire bible in a year but we do it from the supernatural point of view so and i think i've
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talked about this on the show many times if you are not hip to the supernatural aspect of it you're
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missing 80 of it if you think it's just about us on earth and you know the israelites and and the
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prophets and all that which which it is but if you're not looking behind the scenes of what's going
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on supernaturally you're missing 80 of it it's really why a lot of people are confused and just don't
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get what's happening or why god does things the way he does it's because you're only looking at it from
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the terrestrial standpoint you know what's going on with us and we we're a player in the game but
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we are not this isn't our story this is god's story and if you're not looking at it from that
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standpoint you're missing out and you're doing this with john right um i'm using i'm yeah john's
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involved in it he um he helps with the q a portion but um i can't i run it it's basically an hour so
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the first half hour is just you know me teaching breaking everything down then the next half hour we call
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the spoiler session that's where here's let me back up so what we do we we have people read the
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bible as if it's the first time like get rid of all your preconceived notions and just read it as if
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it's a novel like you're reading for the first time so we just go through it like that and then
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the second half of it we we call it the spoiler section where we you know we go back to knowing
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what we know and we have a q a and we talk about you know what was going on in in our in the previous
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half hour that's that's awesome really loved it and it's cool because the people are you're on a
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zoom call right so it's like they're on the screen as well that's yeah that's yeah that's like so many
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people here watch the show and they uh they're participating in the chat you'll see them all the
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time they are like they want i want to talk to ed i want to talk to ed i was like you don't get to
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talk to ed because this is my show but but you could talk to ed you will be that's pretty cool that's
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that's a cool feature maybe we should uh uh incorporate something like that where we're
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talking to the people if they actually want to talk to us but i wanted to say on that sort of
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subject ed um the teaching the bible through the biblical through the supernatural lens is like that's
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a step in from like we're like all right looking at things through a biblical lens on nds and they're
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like also then uh you know uh supernatural underneath it but my dad who's he's like a lifelong christian and
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he reads the bible literally every day every night or as much as he can he's he'll read the bible if
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it's just a chapter a couple verses and he always told me he's like there's one scripture that always
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bothered me and i never paid attention because i was in like whatever the bible whatever so i asked
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him i was like what scripture bothers you the most and it goes like this and it repented the lord that he
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made man on earth and it grieved him at his heart and he says i don't because he's like repent means
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that he that he messed up or that he regrets so that implies god messed up so i was like well what's
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the scripture and it turns out it's genesis 6 verse 6 comes right after our favorite verses and then the
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giants were on earth in those days so i was like oh well let me tell you something i do a podcast about
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this and i was like it makes no sense if you're looking at it from this lens where it's like well why
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would god regret but i'm like look two two verses before it and there were giants on the earth and then the
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verse before that oh sorry the verse after that i think uh what does it say yeah where they start to
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take the daughters of men that's verse two two verses before that so i was like if you look at that
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and in progression it makes a lot more sense and i broke down all this stuff to him i was like i know
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it sounds crazy and you don't look at the bible this way but that is your biggest he's been reading
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the bible for his whole life that's his biggest problem with it he doesn't understand it and i was like
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what did he say explain that to him he looked at me and then he's just like huh and i was like all
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right that's it i just left it there i walked away i guess it's a little seed next time you talk to
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him like yeah i have something more for you because and here's what i i would john and i do when wherever
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whenever we are uh giving answers like this is it's all about definitions you have to have the right
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definition of the word the word repent does not mean regret repent means turn away from it means
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you're not going to do it anymore if you repent of your sin let's say you're into you know whatever
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you're you're into pornography you say if i repent of it means well confessing it me you know confess
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repent confess means i was wrong repent means i'm not going to do it anymore so if you confess that
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you know i was wrong to watch this repent means i'm turning away i'm never going to do it again
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so what god actually said was if repent of me i'm never going to make man again that's what he's
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saying he's not saying that he regretted making me he says i'm not doing this again so because and
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that's what and that dovetails to the reason for the flood he he was that's why he had to preserve
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noah because what he he could have said i'm going to wipe man out and make man again he said no i'm
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not going to do this again i'm just going to preserve the last one and wipe out everyone else all these
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all the people who are affected with this you know nephilim genes and i'm going to have noah do it
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and have his family be the you know the progenitors of the earth so he didn't say he regretted making
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him no that was part of his plan we're going to talk about that today that's always been part of
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his plan he says he's just not going to remake him and so before we started the show uh let me
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just say i think it's great because we've started the show is the book of revelation but we're like
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i'm like no genesis 6 yeah yeah and ed's like it's the same thing we're talking about it today
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so so before we started the show um one of the things we don't have a tremendous amount of time
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today so why don't we tell the audience ed where we plan on going and then let's get into
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yeah yeah thanks yeah we go on endless rabbit trails so yes we are basically we're at the end
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um we are at the good stuff so we've gone we started with the with the beginning of the book
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of revelation where you know jehovah god through jesus is showing john the future what's going to
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happen how he's going to equal everything out how he's going to you know just bring about his plan
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and part of that plan was you know the rough stuff the you know he has to evil exist evil has to be
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judged spiritual evil has to be judged god has to get his way he has to get what he wants because
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the purpose of this whole the purpose of the bible again it's jehovah's story it's god's story
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and in any story you have the protagonist you know the you know the happy ending but in order to get to
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the happy ending you have to go through all the conflict and resolve all the conflicts so we've been
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spending most like 90 percent of what we've been talking about with resolution of conflicts
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so we've had all the spiritual evil judge we had man making his final decision who you're going to be
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with uh you know god or or with the evil ones and everything was punished all the the plagues happened
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the judgment um justice was equal out then in the last couple episodes we talked about
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um you know the final judgment the great white throne and hell and now all that's done and now it's
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time finally time for god to get what he wants and so we're going to spend probably this episode um
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just talking about what that future eternity is going to be and what it's not i'm going to go
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through some of the mythology about it some of the things that people believe about it that aren't true
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and if we have time we'll get into maybe a couple of verses about the new jerusalem and
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we have the bulk of that will probably be next week because unfortunately i'm kind of short on time but
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yeah that's what we're going to that's what we're going to do with today okay great great and
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i'm getting over like a serious bout of the flu so if i start coughing are you really yeah i i got
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uh fog vid 2024 i don't know there's a bunch of conspiracies going around about this uh this fog
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that's been settling you know in various places across the nation and people are uh inexplicably
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getting sick around the same time but i mean it could just be that season right so who knows what
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yeah it could be that too well we i'm in northern california you have tons of fog here i just came back up
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from southern california where i was you know and by the way i think i mentioned on the show that i
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had you know relative pass away and some yes commentators have have been very kind and given
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their condolences so thank you guys for that um but yeah so i basically the point is like yeah there
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was a fog in southern california i think that's where i caught it and then i came back up like about
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a week ago and i was wrecked until maybe don't breathe the fog who noticed in the fog you got the fog man
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stay away from me ed with that fog other side of the country so i don't think i'm contagious to you guys
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we'll see all right so um so where do we want to jump in then ed okay um just going to talk about
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a few on on faithbyreason.net when i have an episode that says you know the 10 myths about
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heaven so i'm going to just i'm not going to go into all 10 of them because i think your audiences
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your retards are sophisticated enough to know some of them are just i'm not going to go i'm going to
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go through some of them and see where we get to sophisticated retards the idea of heaven or
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know we are but a lot of um of our pop culture is mixed in there a lot of our current mythology is
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mixed in is mixed into it so there's a lot of falsehoods mixed with the truth so let's i'm going
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to start with the one of the big ones and that is that people who believers christians will spend
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eternity in heaven and we won't we're going to spend eternity on earth in the new jerusalem
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that's like the biggest thing everyone says oh when you die you're good or if you're a christian
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you go to heaven well that's true in the short term you know before you know these the um these
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events um of the of the book of revelation you will be in in heaven if you're a believer however
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that's not where we're intended to be we are intended to be on earth in the new jerusalem the bible
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is very clear in the last two chapters which we'll be going over is the god will be dwelling with us
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we're not going to do up to heaven to dwell with god god is coming to earth to dwell with us and
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we're going to get into that probably a little bit more next week and what what what that means
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but big picture to keep in mind is that if you look at the the bible like again like in the other
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book like we'll be doing in in the in the in the series you look at what the protagonist wants and
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what they want or the life they want is really the life they have in the beginning of the book
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like i i use the lord of the rings example all the time you know what was frodo the hobbit like
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at the beginning you know he was living his like idyllic life in the shire then conflict came he had
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to resolve the conflict and then what happens at the end he goes back to the shire with his conquest
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same thing within the bible god sets up eden that's what he wanted for us he wanted for us to live in a
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paradise where we were able to you know be our true selves and to rule and reign that area and
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creation would obey us and we would hang out with him that's really all it is when you get down to
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it that's what god wants god wants us to be with him to dwell with him to hang out with him and grow
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we'll talk about that in more detail in the next week and next couple weeks actually but that's what
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he wants and that's what he's going to get again he's going to get that but it'll be us in our new
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resurrected bodies which um are not going to be subject to you know the the sin that um our current
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bodies are are so basically again every when i do my conclusion probably in three weeks
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the the big thing with revelation is everyone gets what they want everyone gets what they're asking for
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basically good guys and the bad guys and everyone deals with the consequences of it but at the end
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here god gets what he wants and that's for us to dwell with him in the new jerusalem
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um so so that's that's the first myth is that we'll be in heaven
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so the the next myth is that heaven or eternity is going to be boring i mean if you think about what
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are the we we don't have a lot of detail or at least we don't get a lot of details when we go to church
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and we you know uh see movies or books or whatever that talk about heaven everything's very vague it's
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like oh there's this bright light and you know everyone's going to be happy and you're going to be
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singing and worshiping and you know we're going to be resting and meeting all of our relatives and
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all that and all that sounds great but keep in mind this is eternity how would that feel like for
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eternity i mean are we gonna what are we gonna do in heaven we're gonna or new jerusalem we're gonna
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praise god yeah and he deserves our praise but forever i mean you know i like a good church service
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as much as the next person but i don't want to do that for eternity that was something that i wasn't
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raised in the church at all but i i was certainly aware of that reductive point of view of like what
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are we going to do well we're going to be super pumped in heaven forever and there's not going to
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be any strife and there's not going to be any goals to achieve and there's not going to and i find that
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you would have to strip us of some things that are innate to us right we're like as a species
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um we're goal driven we we seem to be psychologically at best when we're accomplishing things when we're
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building things when we're contributing to the greater picture when we're helping other people
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uh you would have to remove that mechanism in us if nobody is in need of assistance or help or there
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is nothing to be created because everything that we need is there uh that was always even as a child
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i was just like that doesn't seem you know you'd have to make a lot of sense yeah we'd have to be
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lobotomized basically yeah and i think that's one of the things that that christians i think we don't
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like to think about it because we think it's like heresy to think well that doesn't we don't even let
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our minds go there because i was the same way as you i mean i was raised in the church and when i
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would what asked the pastor hey we die we go to heaven what's going to be like well you're going
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to praise god like that's great and you're going to see your your you know dead relatives and all
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this kind of stuff like that's great too but i don't want to do that forever but i didn't want
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to verbalize that because it sounded like i was being ungrateful yeah it's not true so and you know
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and yeah so are we going to see our relatives again yeah and i can't wait to see some of them like
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he said my aunt had just passed away i want to see her again you know being in you know vital
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and and and in her perfect body my grandparents who who helped raise me and you know i want to i
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want to meet people through history i want to meet the apostle paul i think he's an interesting guy
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i want to meet i want to meet noah and said dude what was it like you know in your day i mean we read
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about it but man what was what was it like saying these things you know roaming around these giants
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i want to you know there's a lot of people i want to meet throughout history and that could take you
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know years to meet everyone many years maybe hundreds but again eternity when it's time to
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what are we going to be so it's not going to be boring that's a myth
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they probably have podcasts um you can just listen to it um i was going to ask one thing too before
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we move on from that like because the idea of eternity i was talking with my parents about that
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and i looked up the word and the translation and it said uh to pertain to eons when it's talking
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when it's spoken about at least in the greek and an eon just means like an indeterminable amount of
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time so i was like okay indeterminable amount but there's an amount so what does eternity does it
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mean literally mean that's it or is this like a just like we're talking about a large amount of
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time that is indeterminable we can't name it yeah um more more around what you said um at the last
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part um the latter because here's the thing like it's tough for us to to conceptualize eternity
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because we are in linear time that's how we experience it i mean you know we have a happens
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in b then c we have past present and future and we basically only live in the present the past has
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already happened the you know the future hasn't happened yet so we we're we can only we only live
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in the present we can't we can look back but we can't see forward and we it's hard for us to
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visualize something outside of physical linear time but if you consider the fact that you know
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according to physics you know you know time is a is a physical thing physical time happens and time
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affects and is affected by mass acceleration and gravity meaning that you have to have mass in order
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to experience time meaning that physical time meaning that god does not experience time the way we do
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doesn't mean he doesn't experience a sequence of events but he it's he doesn't experience it he's not
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locked into it the same way we are so how do we that's why um when we talked about chapter 12
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um of revelation which i i think is is one of my favorite chapters because it gives us some insight
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into how god experienced his time and i because revelation chapter 12 is a story he's experiencing
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everything happening at the same time that's how he experiences it it's like you know i think i gave
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the analogy of you know thinking of your think of your favorite movie you can see it as a sequence of
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events but it's all it's all there there are those who uh describe time as like a flat disc i forget
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where that was popularized true detective yeah such a great series that first i saw the first one did
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you watch the first season it was tremendous right yeah i love it man uh rusty or whatever his name was
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a fantastic character matthew mccoddy's character but um i've heard it the analogy of a uh a record used
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before where it's like you can drop the needle anywhere on the record and gain
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access to that time right that space within the music um but it's all there all happening at the
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same time it just depends on what you're focusing on it seems like a like a silk screen have you guys
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ever silk screen before yeah yeah where you you take the thing and you drag it and it yeah there's
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like three different types of gray on this shirt and you just put one over and if you put it all over
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and then you take a look back you can kind of see the negative of what the whole thing is
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maybe that's how god instead of viewing it this way he's just doing it right on top and you could
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see the transparency and you put a little bit of color the entire image comes out because the
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the right parts are blocked and the correct parts are showing that's what that's what it feels like
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right yeah so so what i think yeah so i i think so part of the aspect i think when when we are in
00:22:23.980
eternity will we will be spirits spirits but we also have bodies so we will there will be masks there
00:22:29.420
so i think maybe be able to shift back and forth to seeing everything at once or or being linear and
00:22:36.300
i think god will want to be doing the same thing i think it's one of the reasons why he wants to be
00:22:39.460
there with us so that he can experience our lives linearly i think that's one of the reasons why he
00:22:44.260
has us here on earth now because that's something that he wasn't he's not locked into linear time so he
00:22:49.620
doesn't experience it directly he can experience that through us so we we give him a new experience that
00:22:54.300
he's not actually capable of because he's not physical interesting yeah i i kind of uh that
00:23:00.480
resonates with me and and it and it really puts you in even though it's a restriction or at least
00:23:06.160
it's perceived as a restriction uh somehow it's it's actually uh it's amazing that that's what we are
00:23:12.780
able to do right yeah so what's that he's determined to be the star of the show yeah but so i know your
00:23:22.720
listeners might be thinking you know this i can't wrap my mind around that neither can i completely
00:23:26.800
i mean we're really speaking conceptually yeah you know what was uh i don't know if it was you
00:23:31.660
and we were talking to somebody and they were they were saying um the perspective of like a two
00:23:36.840
dimensional world a three dimensional world and then whatever is beyond that that we can't
00:23:40.200
necessarily perceive what it would look like for an entity that is outside of those uh dimensions to
00:23:46.160
enter our dimension and it's like it's almost very much like um like if you were to look at a
00:23:52.140
two-dimensional image like a flat piece of paper and it's super mario and you put your finger on
00:23:56.680
that paper uh super mario might not perceive your finger approaching it would just perceive your finger
00:24:02.880
appearing and in the way that people describe a circle he would see a tiny circle that became a big
00:24:08.440
circle because that's all he would see is your finger passing through yeah yeah it is interesting
00:24:13.940
because when you talk about these like elohim right these these um higher spiritual beings when they
00:24:18.980
arrive they seem to almost like pop into existence and it's like you don't see the the transition
00:24:24.560
necessarily because they're coming from a different dimension um you only see the the results of when
00:24:29.560
they arrive here and it's like jarring it's like holy shit they're here all of a sudden but they did
00:24:33.180
traverse some you know they did come from a place uh yeah i think we talked about a few because again i'm
00:24:39.740
i'm quite a bit older than you than you guys but um you know when i was a kid you know when video
00:24:43.960
games were first coming out they were you know just pixels that's really all we had you know i had
00:24:47.800
pac-man and space invaders and and if you if you guys go and if your listeners like or can go to
00:24:53.520
some of those old school sites or just you know go to youtube and just look at like look at space
00:24:57.260
invaders or look at um pac-man and look at those games and then compare them those are just basically
00:25:02.180
2d games compare them to you know whatever the you know popular games are today my kids were just
00:25:06.860
playing one of the mario games they got them for for christmas or call of duty and and see the
00:25:11.600
difference between those yeah that's where i mean so imagine all the the levels of dimensionality
00:25:16.980
that are high that's that's only going from two dimensions to three dimensions so going from two
00:25:21.740
dimensions three dimensions is like going from pac-man to call of duty um it's it's postulated
00:25:27.200
in physics that these elohim probably occupy at least 10 dimensions that's interesting because when
00:25:34.340
it comes to the idea that like you can't look at god because you know horrifying things will happen to
00:25:40.100
you um you could imagine that if uh an extra dimensional entity popped up in front of you
00:25:45.680
it would do some real real damage to your perception right especially uh if you look at some of these
00:25:49.760
alien instances there's like radiation effects and things so there is damage on like a molecular level
00:25:55.640
quick side note ed would you be uh are you qualified this is stupid question to to cover the ark of the
00:26:02.660
covenant and possibly solomon um i yeah to do i guess i guess it depends like what what do you want to
00:26:09.920
talk about but yeah i mean i i know a lot about both yeah that's because i don't know much about either
00:26:14.900
yeah yeah we we we intended to do an episode on it but we just never quite got yeah let's do an episode
00:26:20.580
actually um and maybe john can join me because he's he's really good with that too but i mean basically
00:26:24.520
the ark of the covenant is a replica the physical ark of the covenant that that was constructed
00:26:30.560
um that god gave me no most of the instructions to is a replica of the actual ark in heaven
00:26:35.140
yeah i i bring it up because david was talking about uh radiological weapons or uh ufos and that
00:26:43.200
thing seems to i don't know some guy just touched it is like you're not a levite and he just like blows
00:26:47.740
up i'm like that sounds like a weapon dude sounds like a weapon you use it to knock down you know
00:26:52.840
the the gates of the city just walked around with this thing it's a weapon it was it was it's the throne
00:26:58.620
of god it's the the ark of the covenant is is the throne is it's called the mercy seat you know
00:27:03.480
with the two angels with their wings that's where god sits so you're they were literally carrying the
00:27:07.440
throne of god with them or a replica of it but that's so so going back to what i was saying it's
00:27:12.360
interesting because um if an extra extra dimensional being shows up it does have a bunch of even
00:27:17.660
psychological effects on you right but there's obviously like cases of radiation and such well what
00:27:22.400
if the higher in dimensions you go the the greater the ramifications of that entity popping up in your
00:27:29.000
three-dimensional realm and if the highest is god then maybe maybe there is like a logistical reason
00:27:34.500
like yeah literally organic beings in this third dimension can't be exposed to me because it'll it'll
00:27:40.760
tear apart their anatomy you know something crazy like that we talked about last time with the idea
00:27:45.120
that you know that heaven is hotter than hell god is pure light and you can and we will be able to
00:27:50.560
withstand it not just withstand it but enjoy it in in our resurrection bodies but currently no
00:27:55.760
that's why moses you know moses said he wanted to see god god said you cannot see me and live but you
00:28:00.500
can i'll you know show you the backside backside of me i'll hide you in a cliff and and you can see
00:28:05.620
the end of me and but he saw he saw a furnace he saw fire right um so yeah and that was like the
00:28:11.700
the the only part of god he could withstand seeing interesting man that's interesting okay all right
00:28:18.080
so let's wrap it up we're we're going to talk a lot about what we're going to be doing in heaven
00:28:22.500
but we will be like you said before um raven we it would be boring if we aren't doing something if we
00:28:29.480
aren't creating but but again to keep this in mind i want people to keep this all in their overall big
00:28:34.280
picture sense of what eternity is going to be like eden what were we supposed to be doing in eden and we
00:28:40.020
were not and if you look at it we're not just hanging around singing songs and high-fiving each other
00:28:44.880
and sleeping and resting hey i i want to rest i want to spend like a couple of years just asleep
00:28:49.860
just like catching up on on like just resting from all this crap we have to go through but after that
00:28:56.740
we we are we are meant to do things god did not make us just to hang out you know in eating cheetos
00:29:03.120
and having a beer which you know it's fine for a little while but there he wants things from us and i
00:29:07.660
have maybe i'll present it either next week or the week after i've got my wild crazy ed mabry theory
00:29:13.440
that's not directly in the bible it's just me my extrapolation of what i think we're going to be
00:29:18.080
doing in heaven and it may be even sound a little sacrilegious so i'm just going to give that warning
00:29:21.980
in advance so just so it's going to be good i'm not saying it's true i'm just saying it's i'm just
00:29:27.260
taking everything to his logical conclusion i think what we're going to be doing in heaven is going to
00:29:30.540
be insane so i can't wait to get to that i think the last time you told us that um you you made the
00:29:36.760
argument for there being supportive information for all three raptures and that was one of my favorite
00:29:42.700
theories so i'm very much looking forward to whatever uh the ed mabry take on this is my mom
00:29:46.920
watches all these i can't wait for her to tell me he's like what what did he say please go
00:29:51.340
yeah it's got to be wild um so another myth is that and i think this is this is an easy one we'll get
00:29:59.240
through some quickly the idea that eternity or heaven or whatever is just somewhere out there far
00:30:03.160
away or way up in the sky i think we we know that's not true the spiritual realm is all around us
00:30:07.700
right now we are the spiritual realm surrounds us it is not someplace else it's just a dimension
00:30:13.180
it's basically a dimension that we cannot perceive like it's it's happening around us the the wars in
00:30:18.000
the heavens are happening all around us we just can't perceive them because again it's not because
00:30:22.100
they're the spiritual realm is so ethereal is that we are so ethereal that we can't see it
00:30:26.880
but so it's it's all around us and um when it's time to play it's easy to find your next favorite
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00:30:48.360
we'll be able to transverse between the physical new jerusalem and the physical new earth and as well
00:30:54.640
as a spiritual realm whenever we want because it will just be able to go back and forth between
00:30:59.660
them you know so we can you know and so will the elohim the good elohim move so we'll be able to
00:31:05.360
transverse both worlds and that's what eden was eden was the nexus point between heaven and earth
00:31:11.920
and what did god tell adam and eve to do he said to make the whole earth like eden like the garden
00:31:17.640
so that was their goal that was their job to make the whole earth that i this this nexus between
00:31:25.320
both realms so that god and the angels the elohim could go back and forth so that we'd be these two
00:31:32.120
realms would intersect and we are the physical intersection of it because we are physical and
00:31:37.160
spiritual so we basically human beings we embody what eden is supposed to be a nexus of spiritual
00:31:42.620
and physical and are you saying are you saying that their job was because so if eden is just the
00:31:50.560
nexus like i'm when he says go make the earth like eden i'm thinking like grow some trees put some
00:31:56.320
plants like seeds down or are you talking about like make stargates like ley lines shit like that like
00:32:01.520
what was adam doing um both in a sense yes it was supposed to be like a garden he was supposed to
00:32:08.020
make the whole area paradise more trees of life everywhere because remember the whole earth was
00:32:13.960
not like when we got recreated the earth because i think there was a rebellion at first um and i'll get
00:32:18.680
to this in the gen in the genesis series there's a rebellion the earth was was actually destroyed
00:32:22.180
and then it was remade so what we consider the creation story is actually a recreation
00:32:27.460
he's always a reboot man to go and replenish the earth we can't have anything original ed it's
00:32:34.580
always a reboot everything's crazy right that makes sense then actually when you think about
00:32:38.800
how our culture just does that earth part two like so what happened is god planted the original garden
00:32:44.860
of eden he said here is here is your prototype here's a garden here i'm giving you guys the authority
00:32:50.480
to make to do this in the whole to the whole world and you will rule over it but when you talk
00:32:55.060
about stargates remember what i what he told him he said be fruitful and multiply go have kids
00:32:59.320
why because we as i just said are that nexus between earth and heaven we are part physical and part
00:33:08.260
spiritual so our existence means that the whole earth would be like eden because the more people
00:33:14.120
there are the more of of these net we are we're basically that nexus that's interesting because if you
00:33:19.620
if you take that on its face um this idea of like you know you're going around and you're setting up
00:33:24.180
like i love what top was saying right it's like plant more of these things uh you know create
00:33:28.760
ley lines all this different stuff um there are there's evidence around the world that we take as
00:33:35.540
as rock structures but a lot of people in the conspiracy community suggest that they're actually
00:33:39.760
severed trees the the trunks of great trees like massive trees that you can find around the world
00:33:46.000
and that's fun that's a lot of fun yeah so it's like you know i can't help it because i'm retarded i'm
00:33:50.660
like what if he did dude what if he did plant those trees and then they were cut down and now
00:33:55.760
we're looking at them as mountains i don't know it's just something that my mind jumped to well
00:34:00.960
to get to it's funny you mentioned that because this i think when i first started really getting
00:34:04.700
into the oh i'm not getting into flat earth but first time i actually started hearing people who
00:34:09.480
take the idea of flat earth seriously was and i'm not i'm not bashing flat earthers i'm i'm ambivalent i
00:34:15.340
i don't know but i hadn't really thought about it until i think it was like maybe 2015 2016 back
00:34:20.780
when youtube actually had was not as censored as it is now i i was just you know doing some research
00:34:26.460
and i saw this video that said there are no trees on flat earth i'm like what what do you mean there
00:34:32.060
are no trees and the earth is flat i'm like okay i'm gonna listen to this and they had that same idea
00:34:36.220
that that you just put forth um raven that you know that what we think of as mountain plateaus or
00:34:41.100
whatever actually tree trunks yeah and that you know the earth is flat they do a lot of that too
00:34:46.060
with um petrified giants there are some stone formations that i i will yield um looked at
00:34:54.220
through the right angle oftentimes look like some sort of like a gigantic serpent or or um i've even
00:35:00.240
seen ones that look like dragons uh very strange it was like a guy going through the woods and and he
00:35:05.700
noticed that there was a rock formation that resembled like a wing in his estimation so he started
00:35:09.640
unearthing the rest of this rock formation and the more he dug out the more it looked like a giant
00:35:14.400
dragon and i'm not saying that definitively what's going on but there's a lot of that petrified giant
00:35:19.820
talk look at look at moana like that's it's an occulted movie for sure when you pay attention to the
00:35:25.240
details especially part two but the first part uh was it uh tafiti or the tafiti that she's like
00:35:30.940
laying and she's a mountain and it's like a giant woman yeah yeah it's like a person i'm like
00:35:36.880
and then by the way there are a lot of those images where you can find like certain mountain
00:35:41.280
formations look like giant and i don't know that i'm not saying that that's true i don't know
00:35:45.320
why that is is it what's the the word um pareidolia like our tendency to see faces um where there are
00:35:53.960
none because we're we're genetically made up to look for i knew top would make a moana reference yeah
00:35:59.960
he keeps calling me to talk to me about i'm like i don't want to talk to you about moana anymore
00:36:03.560
watch it please can we just watch it together um but yeah so i don't know if it's just our own
00:36:08.900
uh predisposition to look for faces and where there are none or if there really is something to it but
00:36:13.560
sometimes man i see something where i'm like that's very strange very uncanny uh and i don't know where
00:36:19.460
to place it it's uncomfortable so i just i place it to the side i leave it alone you know the the older
00:36:23.860
i get the more i learn the more i realize i i don't know anything the more the more i learn to realize
00:36:29.120
the more i realize the less i know so i don't rule anything out i mean do i see these these mountain
00:36:34.820
ranges that look like a giant laying down possibly does it mean i mean maybe maybe not but i'm not
00:36:40.420
i'm not ruling it out well let me tell you this i have i've stopped eating pink himalayan salt
00:36:45.780
because i was i was at least peripherally made aware of the idea that it's petrified giants and i
00:36:52.500
said you know what dude not going to eat the petrified giants then yeah probably it's probably not
00:36:56.480
the best idea i'll stick with the with the course uh yeah i guess i'll go back to it i i i used to
00:37:02.200
eat the pink salt too i just hadn't because it's weird it became like a big deal like they're like
00:37:06.880
live in the pod eat the pink salt pod ink the pizza i'm like i don't want to do that i just i
00:37:11.640
did it for a little bit you know what it really was admittedly mine came in a big plastic sack i was
00:37:15.720
worried about microplastics in my balls so i was like can't eat these anymore uh so i moved on to
00:37:20.080
to kosher coarse salt instead yeah i just i i stopped because the the whole foods near me just
00:37:25.740
stopped carrying it so and i just wanted to make the regular like you know sea salt right right
00:37:30.780
seems safer much less likely that it was uh the innards of a giant so okay let's uh let's continue
00:37:36.380
how do we get the salt this is awesome i love you guys
00:37:40.660
another myth is oh and this is a good one is that when we get to heaven like we will be like
00:37:48.940
all-knowing and mistake-free this is something that you know i believe as well like it's like when
00:37:53.760
you get to heaven that suddenly you're going to get like it's just download of all the information
00:37:56.960
that's ever existed and you're and you're just going to be perfect that's not true not only will
00:38:04.880
we not get why would it be god never promised us anywhere that we're just going to suddenly know
00:38:10.000
everything yeah and as far as being mistake-free we are going heaven we're going to talk about it in
00:38:15.840
eternity we're going to learn and grow well that's you know that's made clear again it's just like eden
00:38:22.240
what adam and eve like and they didn't know anything they learned and grew and but they
00:38:26.880
could learn and grow sinlessly why because there's a difference between making a mistake
00:38:33.200
and sinning because we will make mistakes i'll give you an example that i give on non-faith by reason
00:38:40.080
let's say i say hey you know top i want you to meet me here at 11 o'clock cool let's say i met 11 a.m
00:38:46.400
and you show up at 11 p.m well that's a mistake was it a sin no you're just wrong one of us is wrong
00:38:52.480
i was i i wasn't specific enough for you i should have said a.m or p.m and you showed up at the wrong
00:38:57.840
time so you can make mistakes without sinning you can learn without sinning you can grow without
00:39:03.280
sinning so understand that sin the definition of sin in the bible is that which is done outside of faith
00:39:07.920
that means you're intentionally doing something that you know is wrong we will not be intentionally
00:39:13.120
doing anything that we know is wrong in heaven but that doesn't mean we won't unintentionally
00:39:17.920
do things that are wrong and god can forgive that because what it says you will see this
00:39:23.040
throughout the bible and especially in the psalms it says his mercy endures forever what is mercy
00:39:28.560
this is where definitions come into play mercy does not mean you don't punish sin mercy is the time
00:39:35.120
between when something bad happens and justice is equaled out okay but you can equal out
00:39:42.880
justice yourself in god's so god's mercy can endure forever i'll give you an example let's again you
00:39:48.480
know um i i owe you 10 bucks okay you can you limit 10 bucks i owe you 10 bucks you can justly demand
00:39:56.400
that 10 from me immediately but in mercy you can say i'll give you time to pay me back so if you give
00:40:02.480
me an infinite amount of time to pay you back you're not saying that you that um it's is that you're not
00:40:09.520
saying that it's you're you're not being unjust you're just giving me as much time as i need
00:40:14.160
so when it says god's mercy endures forever in eternity saying you're going to have as much time
00:40:18.240
as you need to grow and learn from any mistakes that you make that's great because i'm gonna need
00:40:22.960
a lot of time uh but you know sin god does not have to judge it because it's not a sin it's just a
00:40:28.560
mistake so and he gives you eternal mercy because otherwise if if if there is still sin then eternal
00:40:36.000
mercy would be unjust because eventually you would have to equal out the justice for the sin but
00:40:39.680
there's no sin that his mercy his patience can endure forever so all that to say is that we will
00:40:46.240
be learning and growing we will have eternity to to keep keep becoming perfected we will be on an
00:40:53.280
eternal track to be like jehovah we will never quite be there we'll never reach him but we reach that
00:41:00.480
state of of being exactly like him we will we will eternally be um on that track so again so we're
00:41:08.720
going to learn and grow and um we're going to learn from each other we're going to talk about that a lot
00:41:12.720
next week and um so yeah so we're not going to be we're not going to be mistake free we are not going to
00:41:20.080
know everything we're going to learn and grow and i think that's exciting yeah that is because um it seems
00:41:27.200
to me to be the most exciting part about the human experience right it's like uh learning something
00:41:33.760
new discovery is so rewarding like epiphanies are it's such a strange sensation to even have an
00:41:40.000
epiphanous moment right where um something gets incorporated into your world view that brings
00:41:46.720
together so many other seemingly separated ideas right it becomes the connective tissue and that feeling
00:41:53.040
is there's like a built-in reward system for that when that happens it's it's unbelievable
00:41:57.440
so um i just i can't imagine that god would make us the way that he has to then at the end of
00:42:06.160
this process strip us of everything there are some things that we do need removed right but um there are
00:42:13.680
other things that i just don't think he made us so unique from one another in our perspective in our
00:42:18.400
ideas you have this this situation that happens where you have children and and they're both raised in the
00:42:23.600
same household with the same parents under the same circumstances but they're so drastically different
00:42:27.520
from one another you would imagine that they were made that way then why would god go and and and
00:42:32.560
make us so special and so unique uh just to remove that from us right and i've talked about that before
00:42:38.880
too it's like that's one of the things that the gnostics and the new age people um for all of the
00:42:45.040
digging that they're doing for all of the uh you know for as inquisitive as their minds are to be
00:42:50.880
looking for these answers they often come to this place in the end where it's like we return to source
00:42:55.280
source consciousness we're stripped of the ego and ourselves yeah yeah and then we go to this place and
00:43:00.640
and um and i go that doesn't even sound remotely appealing what then was the purpose of of making
00:43:07.840
us individuals you know where we've seen god create ants they have no individuality they're a a hive mind
00:43:15.600
entity yeah we're not a hive mind entity although you know you can get into this idea of like the
00:43:19.920
collective consciousness or whatever but i i just don't see that in us and it's so it's what makes us
00:43:25.760
beautiful right in so many ways i i can't imagine that being stripped from us maybe maybe change
00:43:31.840
well there are many reasons to reject the idea you know of buddhism because yeah because that's that's
00:43:36.640
it that that nirvana where we just become one consciousness why would you want that sounds
00:43:40.320
horrible i'd rather stay here on earth then i mean i'd rather be here and and be around uniqueness
00:43:46.160
and be around unique people than to fade into just just become like a cog in a wheel somewhere
00:43:52.320
and where where i have no individuality no thank you and by the way i just want to step back for
00:43:58.080
those who are listening who may have some issues with what i was just saying about you know um us
00:44:03.360
growing and mistaking and learning there are a couple of areas really quick that that kind of show that
00:44:08.640
number one when we will probably next week read um relation chapter 21 but it says specifically in
00:44:15.600
a new jerusalem that there are trees there and the leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations
00:44:20.160
well why would the nations need healing why would healing be necessary unless something was damaged
00:44:25.520
when you grow it can be painful right and we're going to grow in heaven and that's why these leaves
00:44:30.640
are there to heal us from them so there's going to be growth there the bible clearly says that healing
00:44:34.960
will be necessary it says that god will wipe away all the tears from our eyes why do we have tears
00:44:39.840
i think it's a couple reasons which i'll talk about next but um again pain of growth and we're not
00:44:46.480
always going to agree with each other in in eternity an example if you want to go back to
00:44:51.920
the book of i think it's in a first kings i don't have it in front of me right now i remember but but
00:44:56.240
there is there was a situation where ahab the the evil king of north of the northern tribe of israel
00:45:00.640
israel was it was time for him to die and jehovah said okay this guy's evil it's time to take him out
00:45:06.000
what are we going to do and he he he um has a council meeting with with his angelic council with his elohim
00:45:12.080
council and he he because god likes sharing his authority and he says oh guys it's time to take
00:45:18.320
him out how do you how do you want to do it and a prophet was talking about this and he said he a
00:45:23.040
prophet had this vision and the prophet said i heard one angel saying one thing and another saying
00:45:26.960
another thing so basically having a discussion they were basically disagreeing i think we should
00:45:31.520
do it this way or no i think we should do it that way and then one came forth with an idea and
00:45:36.080
god's okay that's a good idea let's do that one the point is that all these different
00:45:39.520
anger had different had different ideas and only one of them was the one that god approved of
00:45:45.520
meaning that some of them didn't have the best idea but they were still holy angels in heaven
00:45:51.600
that's a similar thing to uh i love yeah i know it's extra canonical but in the book of enoch that
00:45:56.720
happens you know pretty early where it's like uh the archangels are watching the havoc that the
00:46:02.720
fallen are wreaking on earth and asking god when he planned on intervening and he like
00:46:08.880
listened to them and and their objections and you know was convinced enough that he decided to send
00:46:14.240
enoch which is even also interesting because enoch is a human right and uh and he sends him as a
00:46:20.640
messenger to the fallen and then it's crazy because the fallen obviously know the nature of god and so
00:46:26.800
they ask enoch to petition god on behalf of them insinuating that they there's pliability there they
00:46:33.520
know god they've fallen from his grace but they know him enough to know that like hey there's a good
00:46:37.920
chance we can argue this you know what i mean it just seems like over and over again throughout the
00:46:41.520
bible um god as this ultimate creator father figure considers quite a bit of uh the objections or the
00:46:51.600
input of his various creations it's it's very interesting in that way and i was i do want to say
00:46:56.320
too that one of the most interesting things from this revelation series that i've learned or or or
00:47:01.600
gotten the perspective of is that of a father you can very much if you're a father relate that to to
00:47:08.880
god it seems like now you know having a child myself and then doing this biblical exploration i
00:47:14.640
realize like there's a ton of relatability in god's character as a father yeah no doubt um was god was
00:47:22.960
enoch chosen or was he made for this because what is his purpose is to go and deliver judgment to
00:47:29.840
uh these these fallen angels like that he was chosen because he chose to walk with god he chose to do
00:47:36.240
what and again walking with god is really again back to eden that's what man was supposed to do walk
00:47:42.320
with god because remember um after the after adam and eve committed originals well after they ate the
00:47:47.280
forbidden fruit you know god they saw god walking in the cool of the day in eden and he was like where are
00:47:53.760
you guys because he was used to walking with them and walk it doesn't just mean the physical aspect of
00:47:58.560
walking it it does but it means more than that it means intimate sharing he said you know during
00:48:03.280
the day and we'll get into this in the genesis series during the day you know rule the earth
00:48:09.280
fruitful multiply and rule the earth and then in the cool of the day let's walk and talk tell me your
00:48:13.360
stories tell me what happened share with me that's what jehovah wants from us and enoch chose to do that
00:48:19.920
he says i'm going to walk with you i'm going to be an intimate in an intimate relationship with you i'm
00:48:24.240
going to be sharing with you and because of that jehovah says okay you're giving me what i want
00:48:29.680
so you're my guy that's so cool to be to to do something that otherwise is is very simple but we
00:48:37.840
all neglect it on so many levels but then your reward is like you know what dude go tell those
00:48:42.560
fallen that like they're pretty screwed yeah they're pretty screwed and there's no way out of
00:48:46.320
this and they're gonna get wrecked that's pretty dope i like it right so yeah so we're not gonna be
00:48:51.840
mistake free and we're you know there'll be some tears i think because one of the other myths is
00:48:56.160
that there's gonna be no sadness in heaven or in new jerusalem i think it will be briefly because
00:49:01.520
when he says he's gonna wipe the tears from our eyes why would we be sad i think we're for a couple
00:49:04.560
reasons a couple pretty obvious reasons one is like you know regretting things that happen on earth
00:49:10.240
they're gonna be people who we love who are not going to be in eternity with us that's gonna be sad
00:49:14.160
are there people who i love dearly who i unless something changes are not going to be
00:49:21.920
spending eternity with me i've tried and you know they they're either ambivalent or they just outright
00:49:27.040
reject it and you know i regret that i'm going to be sad for them i'm also going to be sad for
00:49:32.160
missed opportunities i'm going to look back at my life and say you know when i'm when i'm in
00:49:35.200
eternity and say you know i could have if only i had done this differently but he says he's going
00:49:40.880
to wipe those tears away i think the saddest day in heaven or in any new jerusalem is going to be your
00:49:45.040
first day yeah that would be pretty jarring right if you're first you'll be happy you'll be in joy
00:49:52.720
that'll be the quote unquote saddest of the of the days every every day after that is going to get
00:49:57.040
more and more joyful we'll talk about why if we can we're going to keep growing and be and becoming
00:50:02.000
um exponentially happier and more joyful every day quote unquote that passes but which so technically the
00:50:09.200
first day when you're you know you're you're there you're like this is great this is wonderful but
00:50:13.280
oh man i'm you know my my friend my uncle my aunt or my dad or whoever they're not here that that sucks
00:50:20.720
and god's gonna he's gonna why he's gonna comfort us wipe away our tears and then we're gonna go
00:50:25.520
forward so there will be he's gonna make me tall yeah yeah there's gonna be a you know a little
00:50:31.120
sadness there um so but another one and uh i'm seeing where we are with time okay here's a good
00:50:38.480
one myth is that there's no sex in heaven oh and that's technically true but not true there's not going
00:50:46.640
to be what we consider sex our physical sex which is on on the surface you can say that well that that
00:50:53.120
sucks or or doesn't um there's there's and why because understand what the sexual act is the
00:51:00.160
sexual act is the ceiling of the marriage covenant that's right that's why you're supposed to be a
00:51:04.960
virgin before you get with your partner because when the first person you have sex with you that's
00:51:11.280
the ceiling of the marriage covenant and it's and but so and again when um in in the gospels when some
00:51:19.280
of the pharisees or sadducees whatever were trying to trap jesus and they gave it gave him
00:51:23.040
this um this i guess conundrum that they thought they couldn't solve so you have you have a woman
00:51:27.360
who was married her husband dies she gets remarried that guy dies she actually married that guy dies
00:51:33.040
she had bad luck with men apparently or she's done she's killed no there's that so and they said when
00:51:38.800
she gets to eternity whose wife is she because they're all in heaven her and her x number of husbands
00:51:46.480
and jesus said well don't you know that um we will be like when we get to eternity we will be like the
00:51:51.360
angels in heaven who are who neither marry nor are given in marriage so there's going to be no marriage
00:51:56.560
in heaven meaning there's not going to be a need to seal the marriage covenant however keep in mind
00:52:01.280
what we're not so we're not going to have sex with a wife in heaven but understand that the sexual act
00:52:07.520
that intimacy is a reflection of what heaven is going to be like so when you are intimate with your spouse
00:52:15.360
you are touching heaven you are touching eternity you are touching that joy that ecstasy that intimacy
00:52:20.960
that that what you feel when you're having sex you're going to feel that all the time so this is
00:52:26.480
getting see now we're just going to have a bunch of people in heaven just walking around just
00:52:29.760
crying and crying and orgasming all day for the first couple of days yeah so what about what about
00:52:47.760
um because i really like my wife uh and i would like to still be able to like totally hang out with
00:52:53.520
her and be your husband and stuff uh is that still gonna be because i feel like that would be my first
00:52:58.560
question uh yeah you're still gonna you're still gonna know her and you're you know you're still
00:53:04.560
going to know everyone um but just to keep going with the whole intimacy thing we'll be able to have
00:53:10.880
that level of intimacy with everyone not now we're not going to be physically banging them but we're going
00:53:17.680
to be able to spiritually like have that level of a different again going from from two dimensions of
00:53:24.720
three to eleven so it's it let's say like when you're talking with someone you've been having
00:53:30.320
like let's say um when you and your wife were dating when you were just talking you were having
00:53:34.640
a conversation you just felt this connection and this was just talking imagine that on higher higher
00:53:41.440
levels right that you're so you can talk to someone in heaven and you can experience a level of
00:53:46.640
intimacy with them through the conversation that is like exponentially many levels higher than what you can
00:53:52.320
experience now like even having just a great conversation with someone you feel like you know
00:53:55.520
what i'm connecting with this person i'm you know i'm digging them we're you know we're having a really
00:54:00.320
good time that's the kind of intimacy we'll have and it's going to be better than the intercourse that
00:54:05.920
we have here on earth are you saying that i shouldn't talk to women anymore i feel like that's what you
00:54:11.600
just said yes because if you're talking to them and i feel like even if i make a woman laugh i'm being
00:54:17.440
intimate because there's man there is something weird to it but how we express it here is like in
00:54:20.960
this physical sense yeah i'm not talking to women anymore if you're a woman i gotta whatever whatever
00:54:26.160
is wrong with me god's gonna have to fix i have a real problem with intimacy and i won't be able to
00:54:30.640
i don't want to be that close to people if i'm talking to this so hopefully whatever but i recognize
00:54:34.240
that there's probably trauma or something there'll probably be a lot of people though that like
00:54:37.920
you don't like i mean you'd be in heaven like it needs to be done that's the other thing too is yeah
00:54:42.640
what about like look there's people that i imagine would also go to heaven but i would be like oh
00:54:50.480
yeah i don't want to talk to that guy i don't want to talk to that guy yeah i hope that's an option i
00:54:55.440
hope it's not like um i hope jesus is like no dude you have to like go and talk to this guy i'm like i
00:55:01.120
don't know i don't like his being 10 000 years okay fine maybe bill moore had a deathbed confession
00:55:08.960
like i don't like okay fine yeah i get but i don't want to talk can i can i opt out of talking
00:55:14.400
to bill moore you know what i mean like i just don't want to is it so like yeah good bless you
00:55:18.640
and stuff and i don't want to talk to you i'm glad i'm so glad that you're here but can you be over
00:55:24.000
there maybe just a little further yeah maybe like a billion years we'll circle back yes yeah yeah it's
00:55:29.360
gonna need time well that's the good news is you're gonna have time because this is gonna take a lot of
00:55:33.120
getting used to for me being next to uh yeah i did but i i think also are a lot of like i said i
00:55:39.840
don't think that like we'll just instantly we won't instantly know everything i think we won't
00:55:45.200
but i think that a lot of of the our sin nature is going to fall away and a lot of that nature
00:55:50.880
a lot of a big part of our sin nature is that idea that you know we we don't regard certain people
00:55:58.320
highly maybe we'll be we'll probably be a little more compassionate i don't know but i'm guessing
00:56:03.840
that we're going to have a different mentality well i guess so look if you're if everybody is
00:56:08.160
removed from this this sinful behavior i'm sure we're going to be much better versions of ourselves
00:56:14.560
not complete not perfect right like you're saying but like markedly noticeably better versions of
00:56:19.440
ourselves i'm sure there's a lot of people that i don't enjoy now that i could get along with pretty
00:56:23.200
easily um but once again what we're gonna like some people more than others that's there's nothing
00:56:29.200
wrong with that when i think there are certain people that god likes more than others yeah that's
00:56:34.800
true yeah see in the bible as cain and abel yeah he likes some people more than he likes others it
00:56:41.200
doesn't mean he disliked them he just was like you know they're levels you're not gonna like everyone
00:56:44.240
the same yeah you're not gonna get along with everyone the same you may not get along with jesus as well
00:56:48.240
as you got along with gotha father or vice versa that's true they're not they have different
00:56:54.320
personalities right so you're gonna vibe with them in different ways no but they're probably
00:57:00.160
they're all probably really cool i mean it's different levels it's different levels you know
00:57:05.040
what it is it's like in my real life i'm actually a recluse despite doing this show and talking to
00:57:10.000
people um i really could be alone for incredible swaths of time without even realizing it and then lifting
00:57:17.200
my head and being like oh i haven't been out in public in a long time yeah there we go aware
00:57:21.520
americans is being intimately uh connected to all these people sounds horrific yes yes but i recognize
00:57:27.920
that as as something wrong with my hard wiring yeah i don't think because are we here for human
00:57:32.240
connection and to build a connection with god or are we here to be totally alone imagine being in disney
00:57:38.880
world like like at the magic kingdom when they throw in the fireworks and you're just like but now i'm
00:57:43.440
like i'm having sex with all these people it's a nightmare that's hell having sex with all these
00:57:48.480
people man i want to go home yeah also but that sounds like a nightmare to me disney world an
00:57:53.680
actual nightmare so uh well yes it's not gonna be like a pd party it's not gonna be like that kind of
00:57:58.480
i'm just gonna need some help i'm gonna be like god please whatever is in me that makes me want to be
00:58:03.200
alone make that go away because that's not conducive to this and keep in mind that jesus had spent time
00:58:08.800
alone he would get tired of people and he would go and pray alone so that makes me feel good yeah
00:58:13.440
so don't worry about it i think we're no one's gonna be forced to do anything i don't believe i
00:58:17.040
but i think i think we're going to actually want to get to know people and i think we can probably
00:58:20.640
decide on the level of how well do i want to know you right now how much sex do i want to have
00:58:25.360
with you since we lost we've lost control maybe like some heavy petting and then we'll leave
00:58:32.320
all right ed what else do we got okay sorry man it's just going so off um oh well this is kind of
00:58:41.600
a tie to it there's a myth that there's like no more like human pleasure not just sex but like you
00:58:45.840
know that we're just going to be like these ethereal beings that that don't enjoy the things we enjoy
00:58:50.720
now which isn't true because we know we're going to be eating and drinking in heaven and those are
00:58:54.400
things that we enjoy here i mean when jesus was was resurrected every single time he encountered
00:59:00.240
anyone in his resurrected body he wanted to eat you would ask that you guys got some food
00:59:04.880
so so we'll be able to eat in our in our bodies which is great food is awesome yeah drinking is
00:59:10.480
awesome jesus says there's going to be wine in heaven he says it's going to be that he says um
00:59:14.160
in at the last supper you know i'm not going to drink from the fruit of the vine wine again until
00:59:19.200
we we get together in in eternity that's dope there's going to be wine there's going to be alcohol
00:59:25.680
that's cool i wonder if hangovers will happen probably not right i think we'll be like
00:59:29.200
super i said i wonder if hangovers will happen but probably not because probably not yeah we're
00:59:33.280
not going to have any disease any type of yeah thankfully there won't be any hangovers but we're
00:59:38.320
going to eat and drink we're going to laugh i think there's going to be tons of laughter i think we're
00:59:42.720
just going to i i we're going to be so happy and enjoy it so we're going to have all the things that
00:59:47.920
are that's actually great because so much of like if you look into norse mythology right they believe
00:59:53.360
in like valhalla like if you die in battle then you go to valhalla and it's essentially like one
00:59:57.840
long ass party and and that doesn't sound appealing either because i want to party for eternity that's
01:00:02.720
going to have a social battery that gets drained and you're like yeah like i'll go and i'll find
01:00:08.400
a room to lay down and i'll go to sleep but um when you have the reductive view of of heaven or
01:00:14.000
eternity for for christians uh outside of this conversation most people have that very like
01:00:19.360
reductive view where it's like everybody's just it's just love and rainbows and sunshine forever you
01:00:24.000
know and there's never many problems and nobody ever gets sick again in the end and um admittedly
01:00:29.600
and i'm comfortable doing this because that's a straw man that sucks in comparison to valhalla you
01:00:35.280
know what i mean it's like okay if i die in battle i get to go drink and hang out with the homies
01:00:39.440
forever like that sounds more appealing but that is a straw man of of what you're describing right now
01:00:44.480
which is much more appealing i think this i think all of all the different mythologies around the
01:00:50.240
afterlife there may be a kernel of truth in all of them it may be a little bit yeah this are this
01:00:53.840
going to be parties yeah there's going to be feasting in heaven and feasting you're going
01:00:56.960
to hang out and eating and drinking if you want to hang out be alone and just contemplate the universe
01:01:02.160
and like talk and other thing is since god is omnipresent we'll be able to everyone can talk to
01:01:06.080
him at the same time like you know you can talk to him about if you're into physics and space like
01:01:10.080
how did you do this what you know what was right i just want to contemplate the stars and galaxies
01:01:16.640
by myself with god or i want to just hang out with one person or you know i want to do some
01:01:21.840
other creative things i want to grow a garden i want to do i want to cook whatever you want to do
01:01:27.200
you can do it anytime you want you which is going to get you which gets us to our the last thing in
01:01:32.560
which i think is going to be about eternity which is that myth about eternity is that we're all going
01:01:37.360
to be the same we talked about this a few times earlier that is we're going to be one mind a
01:01:42.160
single consciousness this nirvana that kind of nonsense no we are all going to live in our
01:01:47.600
uniqueness you are going as you said before raven we're going to be fully ourselves we're going to
01:01:52.240
be the unique individuals that god created us to be and that we've and that we've evolved not
01:01:58.880
that kind of evolution but that through our experiences that have shaped us and made us into
01:02:02.640
the unique people that we are we're going to share that with everyone else this is a good question
01:02:07.600
arcane arsenal says will there be former pets and animals there that is a good question i i truly
01:02:13.360
don't know i've heard the bible isn't clear on that now we know that there will be if if we can take
01:02:20.720
this literally that there are horses you know because in heaven because the old people said jesus
01:02:25.360
descends with the armies of heaven on horseback now is that metaphorical possibly right is that literal
01:02:30.960
of this literal then there's there's going to be animals i believe because you know it's going to be
01:02:34.960
like eden i think they're going to be they're going to be i think they're going to be animals
01:02:38.320
they're going to be uh created they're going to be other beings there i mean excuse other beings
01:02:42.800
they're going to be other animal life does that mean our pets come back that's tough because the
01:02:48.080
question is if they come back does that mean do they actually have a soul right and then i actually
01:02:53.120
start to question that i feel bad because it's like are some souls relegated to just be animals then
01:02:59.040
is there lesser souls you know what i mean that's because a big confusing conversation why not
01:03:03.520
the revelation yeah go ahead sorry yeah 5 11 and i beheld and i heard the voice of many angels
01:03:09.600
around the throne and the beasts and the elders and the number of them was 10 by 10 by 10 so and
01:03:15.520
there's beasts there i don't know what that means well those beasts are actually um good were you
01:03:19.920
reading from the king james because that were beasts the word zoa which means living creature
01:03:23.600
those are the cherubim oh okay okay well never mind no but but again that's in heaven on the all the
01:03:30.720
new earth we're going to talk about the new earth next time because by the way the new earth is going
01:03:34.240
to be bigger than our current earth there's a little primer for you it has to be bigger in order to
01:03:38.400
house the dimensions of the new jerusalem so we're going to have a new earth that's going to be very
01:03:41.760
different looking than our old earth but what was it like in eden there were animals there so i think
01:03:47.040
animals will be there will our pets be i hope so hope so because i i you know i've had a couple dogs
01:03:52.080
in my life my current one she's 12 she's you know probably not much longer for this world but i
01:03:56.640
i'd love for her to be there but i don't know i really wish i could definitively say this is this
01:04:00.800
resonates with me so much not nice guy can it be heaven if my cats aren't there i love can it be
01:04:05.280
heaven if david's cats are there for me no i love my it can't be heaven if it's if your dog's there and
01:04:12.160
my kids never are safe unbelievable yeah i i wish i could answer that because i've heard that question
01:04:17.920
a lot and i i just i have no definitive answer the bible isn't clear you know there there will be
01:04:23.920
animals will will god in his mercy allow it in his grace maybe i hope he will but i just i wonder
01:04:30.880
because god gave us a capacity for loving animals to such a degree that um you know the death of an
01:04:38.720
animal the death of a pet is so groundbreaking it's so like earth shattering um and you know you can
01:04:46.400
experience uh a range of sadness that is only manifest when when a loved one passes away and i
01:04:54.240
just don't know i just to me it seems like everything has its purpose why would god and i'm
01:04:58.800
not saying there's going to be pets in heaven but why would god uh give us this capacity for this
01:05:04.640
you know undefinable level of love for these animals uh to what end i wonder that way you know
01:05:11.760
and we we won't know until we get there yeah yeah it really depends on the question of if these
01:05:16.000
animals have a spirit that can be i mean my dog has a personality but is it so yeah but is it is
01:05:25.360
it on the same level that it can be i i don't know i i really well ed on my other show uh we watched a
01:05:31.520
dog communicate with buttons and um it's very strange it was like a whole grid of buttons on the ground and
01:05:37.360
each one would say something different hungry scared whatever and the dog would like go up and
01:05:42.320
hit the buttons to the degree that i i was really uncertain if this was just like clever training or
01:05:47.520
if the dog was actually trying to convey a message no the dog knows my old dog brody used to do that
01:05:52.880
it's just like you you teach him uh you want to go outside this is the button this color you want to
01:05:58.960
you're hungry you want food this is the button and he'll he always wanted to go outside but they
01:06:03.760
understand to communicate but yeah and you have these what these chimpanzees with no sign language
01:06:08.400
they can literally communicate chimpanzees can't go to heaven they're very mean yeah they'll tear your
01:06:13.760
face off but your face but but point is that they have a certain level of intelligence which means
01:06:20.640
that they have some type of intention which tells them that there's a spirit there and if it's spirit
01:06:24.640
then it's eternal so maybe maybe i'm talking also i don't want to harp on this too long i know we
01:06:29.600
don't have a lot of time but there's something very special that happens have you ever seen
01:06:33.280
dogs around a sick child yeah terminally ill child have you ever watched dogs weep when their owners
01:06:39.520
die i've seen those videos it's horrifying actually uh i think part of it is horrifying because for a
01:06:46.640
brief moment you suspect because of this you know behavior that only a thing that that is like you
01:06:53.760
would do that and that is like there's something harrowing about that i don't know if it's because then
01:06:58.160
you look at this thing you're like and you're trapped in a dog's body or if it's because
01:07:01.360
we don't share yeah but we don't share this planet with any other being that is as sentient as us the
01:07:08.400
closest thing is like sometimes dolphins will display things that are like oh intriguing but
01:07:12.240
like you unless you're john c lily jerking off dolphins you don't love a dolphin the way that you
01:07:17.840
love a dog um so i don't know it's it's it's a very unique creature and it almost seems like they're
01:07:24.560
changing too they're getting smarter they're doing more you know i don't know if they used to do this much
01:07:28.720
back in the day but you could watch a tick tock video of a dog with more personality than like
01:07:33.040
you you know what i mean and then and then that's weird i don't know what to do with that so it is
01:07:37.600
strange but i hope so so i i do too i hope i hope so i'd love to have my dogs back my hamster i could
01:07:44.080
care less that oh you know what though maybe we can petition god there seems to be a lot of bargaining
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with god maybe when we die we could all get together and we go look i know it's pretty cool here
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but we need to get to just some signatures and we'll go to god and be like can you bring them
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over can you just bring the dogs i hate that my my cousin to make it happen i need my my emotional
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support dog back can you there are people i would gladly sacrifice tim pool for every childhood
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pet that i had i hate to say but there's certain people who i would rather if i saw you in heaven and
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not my dog i'd be like really yeah it's like i didn't barely know these guys okay every day with
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the dog i've done a couple of podcasts with them but like i literally hung out with this dude every
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day can i have him instead please give me the dog take nephilim death squad yeah my dog was happy to
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see me every day um so i'm just gonna wrap it up with with this um just to give people an overall
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idea before we take a deeper dive next week eternity imagine what your uniqueness who you are
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uniquely the thing that i would i would actually suggest you go to flow says um i know you talked
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about that before and find out your intangible driver because that will start helping you understand
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your uniqueness what motivates you think about what you can do every day that you would never get tired
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of as you do all the time it just feels like thank you and when you do it you're like i could do this
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forever i remember a time when i was it was uh in my 20s hanging out with my best friend at the time
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who he became my best friend we were we were co-workers and we were at we had a crappy job it was
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my first job out of college it was crap we were we were paid nothing we saved up all our money we took
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a trip to mexico we went to puerto vallarta and we again we didn't have a ton of money we were staying
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in a crappy hotel and we just went downstairs we got a bucket of coronas we sat outside of this little
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mexican restaurant obviously mexican restaurants in mexico this little restaurant we had some tacos
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and a bottle of corona and we some bucket of coronas we were sitting in front of the beach
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watching people play in the sand and we were sitting there like you know what i could this i
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could do this forever just hanging out with my buddy talking you know bucket of coronas some tacos
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and i was like this is it my point is like that was me touching eternity for a moment that was me
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saying that this is something that i get nothing but pleasure out of this and joy and i could just do
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this forever think about that think about what you can do me teaching learning and teaching i i
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will never get tired of learning and teaching because that's that's part of my uniqueness i will
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do this for eternity i'm going to learn new information i'm going to help other people
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understand the new information i don't get tired of this not only do i not get tired of doing this
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i get more energy from it i have more energy now than when i started this pot this honest this episode
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that's what we're going to be like that's what heaven is going to be like our eternity will be like
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whatever you do that you can do forever that you get more energy the more you do it doesn't drain
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you but it makes you it gives you even more energy that's what that's what you will be doing
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for eternity because that's the value that you bring and that's the value that everyone else
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will benefit from that's good that's good because um i can't really seem to shut the
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fuck up now and i can't imagine spending eternity where that would you know it's just like so much
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about like just to go back to this idea of like the reductive viewpoint of heaven or even the gnostic
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idea where it's like we're all energy returning to an energetic source um it just doesn't make it
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it hurts it's it's it feels like death um and it feels the opposite of eternal life maybe that's what
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hell right wonder if hell will just be like i mean it won't be we'll still be individuals there but
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maybe that'll be maybe that's more like hell just this one consciousness yeah and you're not you're
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not an individual at all i mean you know and we've talked about that before too where it's like a lot of
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these psychedelic explorers um they they think that there's benefit in what's what they call the ego
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death and and i think like there is some ego that needs to be rolled back right there's there's a level of
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of self-worship involved in that that i would say is negative but um that's not necessarily what
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they're describing it's like i did an androgynous dump of dimethyltryptamine and then i lost my sense
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of self i'm like oh okay that sounds like hell dog that sounds really bad i don't want to lose my sense
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of self that's that sounds like descending into spiraling madness never-ending madness um i don't know
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why people champion that idea i've never i've never been into that it's like i just experienced
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my ego death dude at the time though they didn't because they can't shut the hell up about it but
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i don't know it it's um it's reassuring to know that there's a sense of purpose and there's a sense
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of self um there are things that we can stand to lose that make us sinful in nature but i don't think
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that means losing your sense of self i think my opinion why that appeals to certain people is that
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isn't that is it's an application of responsibility of a purpose like i don't have to i i don't have
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the responsibility of living my purpose anymore i can just let myself go that which is not a good
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it's not a healthy mindset yeah yeah yeah well keep in mind that maybe maybe that it will be hell for
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some people because you know when i give my big conclusion i'm going to say that i'm going to
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talk about the idea that i mentioned earlier which is that everyone gets what they claim they want
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and if somebody says you know i want to just be this amorphous non-conscious blob maybe that's what
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you're going to get for you care for what you wish for right that's why i i always say you know
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whenever it comes to my prayers and and things that i really want um sometimes i'll talk about the
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things that i want but most over everything is to be in alignment with god's will right god has a
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plan for me god has a plan for everybody i want to be in alignment with that plan i want to be walking
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on the path that is that plan um and i hope that he does not plan for me to be an amorphous energy cloud
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when i die i i can i can guarantee you he does not want that that is the opposite of what he wants
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he would not have created us without he would not create intelligent beings if if he did not
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want to interact with us individually why make individuals if you don't want to interact with
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individuals that would be why would he make all of us and it's okay now you're gonna be one again
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okay that makes no also why does god want to spend time with the cloud you know what i mean like
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i've become very comfortable over the uh evolution of this series and and everything that we've learned
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here i used to not say that you could attribute anything of yourself to god in other words like
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why would we claim to understand the nature of god um just because we're people doesn't mean that god is
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is you know anything similar to us but after i've gone down this journey i realized like there's a
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fractal nature to reality exactly as above so below from the micro to the macro everything emulates itself
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and seeing so many aspects of fatherhood in god's personality as we've explored the bible
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makes me feel pretty comfortable actually attributing things that i might feel to god and
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and i think that that makes sense there's like a relatability like you like one of the things you've
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really shown us here is that god wants us to understand him that's something that was foreign
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to me previously that god wants us to and i think the breadcrumbs are everywhere i think it's it's um
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uh you can look within yourself and see much of god that does not mean that you are god no i think
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it means that god made you in such a way um the deeper your understanding of yourself it also deepens
01:15:26.960
your understanding of god and that's just a real turning point for me where i used to kind of just
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and it wasn't like i would dismiss it but i would just go like how do people know how are you claiming
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god is one thing or another and i was i was in a very lazy way saying that you couldn't understand
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while not trying to understand then i found that when you try to understand there's a lot of stuff
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there you can well i don't know if you could understand it all but you could understand a lot
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what you said before about is the fractal nature that's really what it is
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he gives these little fractals of what things like the fatherhood is a fractal god created what a
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father's role should be why because so that we can understand that aspect marriage is a fractal of
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eternity with the bride of christ our marriage relationship with our spouse is again a reflection
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of what of christ and his bride i mean paul says that explicitly that you know i speak of we saw you
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know wives submit to your husband husbands love your wives since i show you a great mystery about
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speaking of christ and the church our marriage is a fractal of heaven our children our children are
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a fractal of something i'm going to talk about in a couple episodes well if you look at the statistics
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that say that um what are young men likely to end up in if their father is absent from the home it's
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like well they're likely to end up dead or in jail right those are the the real big things and and
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the likelihood jumps up exponentially once the father is removed from the household and i think that that
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is indicative of us as a people it's like the further we get from god um well how do you end up in jail
01:16:55.440
or dead you engage in in a sinful lifestyle right and so as a populace as a whole when we are away
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from the father we are closer to sin and ruin um it's just like one of those things it's it's all the
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way down right from the top all the way down it echoes itself to the minutiae all the way up to the
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macro it's uh becoming more and more obvious to me yeah you guys i hate to end it we got we got i
01:17:17.280
got to run i wish i could be on for another hour but uh well okay basketball practice where are we uh
01:17:23.920
going next time and then let's talk about where people find next time we're actually going to
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talk about the physical new jerusalem we're going to read uh chapter 21 of revelation probably maybe
01:17:34.480
the first three verses of chapter 22 and so we're going to talk about that about you know what it's
01:17:38.480
going to look like what heaven is actually going to be like uh physically i haven't excuse me the new
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jerusalem what it's going to be like physically what is what what then we'll start talking about what
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we're going to do there and then the episode after that is we're going to get into some of the theories
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of of what we touched on some of it uh today but we'll we'll start getting into some some
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theoretical stuff about what we'll be doing for eternity awesome awesome then we'll wrap it up and
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see where we go from there all right uh one more time faithbyreason.net go there uh check them out
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it has some cool stuff coming for you guys as well with uh in the form of patreon and other other cool
01:18:15.680
things like that skip to the beginning of the episode you'll you'll hear all about it it's going to be
01:18:20.080
yeah go back to the beginning um the the next genesis um will be up next week um i already
01:18:25.440
finished this i've got to finish editing it i'm going to throw the audio up on i'll get the audio
01:18:29.600
up like probably over the weekend and then the video will be up um on youtube a little bit after that
01:18:36.240
well thank you for your time ed i'm i'm glad it's always uh too far in between i don't like when we
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take breaks and i also don't like that this series is coming to an end but uh like you said there's a lot
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of stuff we're that you're working on right now and hopefully we can come back and maybe turn
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something new uh into a series for the audience because people have really grown fond i have grown
01:18:55.440
fond of this series it's really helped me to understand a lot more so uh thank you for what
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you do ed and thank you for your time uh top do we got anything else that's it guys don't forget
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to obey submit comply see you later the greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the
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corner of the room it is constantly telling us what to believe is real if you can persuade them
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that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see
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because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening