Nephilim Death Squad - August 13, 2026


MKUltra, Project Monarch & Alien Abductions w⧸ JT Follows JC

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00:01:54 It is Brohemian Grove VIP Eve.
00:01:57 vip eve vip eve happy brohemian grove uh guys the peeve i am david lee corvo aka the raven that's
00:02:04 top lobster the father of disinformation and we're also joined by matthew heppner uh host of straight
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00:02:30 But before we get into anything that we're going to talk about, all the stuff that we have planned to talk about.
00:02:34 All of it, yeah.
00:02:35 JT.
00:02:36 Let's talk about where people can find you.
00:02:39 And then after that, we'll do our own plugs because I messed that up.
00:02:42 Well, of course, you can follow me over on TikTok, Instagram, X, which I'm trying to grow on, which is really difficult.
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00:03:07 you're probably a little too nice for the twitter crowd is that what it is like top has too much of
00:03:11 a decent person he's just nasty dude yeah yeah yeah yeah i guess it's just i don't have time i
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00:04:50 man jt what's been going on uh how are you doing you're traveling yeah you're making big moves
00:04:56 tell us a little bit about your day tell us tell us a little bit about what's been going on i wanted
00:05:00 to get to know you okay okay that's uh it's pretty wide ranging that's what we do like to do a wide
00:05:07 range here on this i love it when i guess i ask this open-ended question yes yes we have nowhere
00:05:11 we'd like to do well of course yeah i mean like you guys i'm uh grinding at the podcast and um
00:05:19 lord blessed me with the ability to do this full time so actually i'm coming up on a year i started
00:05:26 doing it full time in september of last year congratulations at the one year anniversary and
00:05:31 so with the ability to go and do stuff irl yeah going to vegas and california you've been traveling
00:05:39 a lot i've seen you irl on a bunch of different platforms oh yeah i mean that's been a blast
00:05:44 because i think that from my my previous life of doing you know just the nine to five thing and
00:05:52 what were you doing before uh my family owned a construction company oh cool yeah so um
00:05:57 predominantly sheetrock plaster things of that nature oh you already got to know him he would
00:06:01 have known david david got here a little late yeah i did get here a little bit late yeah i was uh
00:06:05 flying by the seat of my pants okay so construction and then but it was basically just like i
00:06:09 lived in i lived in virginia beach i've really never gone anywhere else besides that i mean
00:06:15 obviously vacations but i went to college in lynchburg virginia so like i'm not really
00:06:19 i haven't traveled a lot so i've been taking advantage of that and that's been
00:06:22 exciting of course when you know when god gives you a fresh set of eyes yeah it's good to get
00:06:28 outside your sphere and go see some other stuff and so every time i get a chance to go out of town
00:06:33 now i'm going to i mean it sounds nerdy but i'm going to museums and stuff and i'm going to check
00:06:39 out the buildings and i'm checking out all the um anything that there's something in this place
00:06:44 because even if i had been there before like i said i didn't have the eyes to see stuff that i
00:06:47 do now so is there a specific thing you look for in museums when you go today or it's just
00:06:52 any museum and just see what happens well of course i've talked a lot about what people would
00:06:57 call tartarier you call it talk about the old world buildings yeah so you know first of all
00:07:03 if you go to almost any museum in almost any like big city there are always these crazy like greco
00:07:08 Roman building so it's a good place to start but yeah obviously we talk about a lot about um you
00:07:15 know maybe hidden technology in our recent past and so if you can go see like a Greco-Roman temple
00:07:20 that's now a post office it's kind of interesting to talk about yeah because I think that a lot of
00:07:25 the people that I've really followed over the years that's what they did and they would they
00:07:29 would you go visit the oldest building in the town or like the most impressive like courthouse
00:07:34 post office capitol building and then you read the story behind it and then it's always good
00:07:41 for laughs yeah because the story the history that we were taught seems nonsensical so and of
00:07:48 course just being an active person every time we go out west i always try to go find like a national
00:07:54 park or something like that to go hike around and and that's when you get into the idea of like
00:07:58 meltology yeah like are these rock formations were they always just rocks i've seen what looked like
00:08:03 entire staircases melted on a slope are those rocks here in ocala or are they in uh in tampa
00:08:11 which ones are those uh the millstones with the holes in them yeah shout out to uh dr narco longo
00:08:17 he's the one that made the video and is effectively it's it's in port ritchie right on the coast there
00:08:22 uh because it's a gulf coast uh town and that's what he told me joe joe's like oh yeah i'm gonna
00:08:28 go to tampa and look at some buildings i was like oh you're gonna you're gonna buy something here
00:08:31 He's like, no, no, I just want to see old stuff.
00:08:33 There is old stuff all over Florida.
00:08:35 I mean, that's why Homeboy's page is called Old World Florida.
00:08:37 The Tampa area is probably where you do want to go.
00:08:39 They dredged up this stone when they were doing construction,
00:08:42 and they pulled it out of the surf.
00:08:46 And it was clear once they pulled it out that this was some sort of a...
00:08:50 Millstone, you said?
00:08:52 Millstone, not really a millstone.
00:08:53 It was something that was for ceremony.
00:08:56 And there was faces carved into it,
00:08:58 And there was a part of it that was level enough that the guy who owns the property, I don't think he put two and two together.
00:09:06 It was Dr. Narco Longo who came along later on and looked at it and said, this is where they're – they're sacrificing.
00:09:11 They were sacrificing people on this stone.
00:09:13 They were beheading people on this stone.
00:09:15 And now it just sits in a –
00:09:17 In front of a restaurant or something.
00:09:18 Yeah, and the restaurant's gone under, and this piece of history is just there.
00:09:23 But throughout that area –
00:09:24 There's bad juju on that stone.
00:09:25 They didn't appease the gods, I guess.
00:09:26 Put that on there.
00:09:27 Who knows? But throughout that area, you can find pretty easily, sometimes they're embedded in people's lawns, these things that look like stones.
00:09:37 They would call them waterways, where the water would organically find its way through a stone.
00:09:41 But those are usually kind of convoluted little tunnels.
00:09:43 These are bored holes directly through big stones that are, according to Dr. Narcolongo, a specific type of anchor that would only have been used by, I forget what the technical terminology for a Viking is.
00:09:56 Are they called Sakser Stones?
00:09:59 Sakser Stones! Shout out to Elohim! 1.00
00:10:01 Crushing, crushing.
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00:10:06 Yeah, yeah, well, we have, they're just a step above AI in that they're not demonic.
00:10:11 Well, probably some of them have something going on.
00:10:15 So, yeah, man, there's all kinds of fun stuff if you're just looking.
00:10:18 I would love to get into that idea of just going out and looking and finding out what America actually has with just a little bit of effort.
00:10:25 Yeah.
00:10:25 But before we even do that, were you always this guy who was fascinated by these topics?
00:10:31 I mean, you've done a great deal of work in this arena going as far as making documentaries and how much content.
00:10:37 I mean, hours and hours and hours, countless hours of content before you're a construction guy.
00:10:42 Has that always been an interest of yours?
00:10:44 Is there something that caused a pivotal moment in your life where you said, wait a second, this is an interesting thread to pull on and I'm going to keep pulling it?
00:10:53 Well, yeah, of course, it's definitely coming from a construction background
00:10:56 because the buildings we built today are just so boring.
00:11:00 We're just building the most plain boxes that are either made of glass and steel.
00:11:06 I mean, some of these places now, they're just basically glorified warehouses,
00:11:09 and they put a skin on top of it and try to dress it up.
00:11:12 But all these steel buildings, they're boring, and they really are just to make widgets.
00:11:19 like put up this thing the cheapest fast way you can just so we can sell our whatever out of it
00:11:25 yeah and then so i think that but i had this fascination with you know the megaliths from
00:11:30 before like i said i was telling matt over here that i was big into that show ancient aliens
00:11:36 way back way back before i ever got on social media and all that stuff so i was fascinated by
00:11:41 structures that really no one can explain how they were built and so that that topic i never
00:11:48 really considered that some of the like the greatest what we'd call greco-roman architecture
00:11:53 and gothic cathedrals i guess i had never really thought about that because you know if you go into
00:11:58 your you know your local downtown and you see like a like a giant greco-roman building with
00:12:03 columns that are 30 feet high and six feet in diameter and it's all made of granite
00:12:08 like i guess you don't really think about it too much especially i'm not that far from dc
00:12:12 yeah we just kind of know that it looks like what people tell us rome look like yeah but we just
00:12:18 thinking like that's it's cool but i guess i never really looked into the stories behind it and then
00:12:22 when i got on tiktok some of the first content i made was all about symbolism and things so like i
00:12:28 i discovered secret societies freemasonry the rosacrucians the illuminati and all that stuff
00:12:34 so when i there was a time where i was like looking at symbolism in the architecture the
00:12:41 statues this kind of stuff that's how i kind of got became like the hoover dam guy for a minute on
00:12:45 okay hoover dam's an interesting one yeah that's a deep dive i would love to get into that we can
00:12:49 definitely talk about that but so as i was kind of bouncing around i was like oh some of these
00:12:54 buildings they call our deco i mean just a name for this description of these very elaborate
00:13:00 buildings with crazy symbolism faces gods all kinds of things on them and you're like you know
00:13:08 that expression we don't build them like we used to and i was like that's that's an understatement
00:13:13 that is an understatement and i think that when i went to new york city in like 2017 that was the
00:13:19 first time i'd ever went i was expecting to be impressed by like you know the one world trade
00:13:25 center like you know and of course it is impressive because it's super tall but in comparison it's
00:13:29 so reductive yes right it's a minimalist which is like you know i guess what you would categorize
00:13:34 it as but it's got no detail nothing going on no art inspired well and it's specifically like
00:13:39 stuff that won't last like like that's the thing is like i could tell it got hit by a plane and
00:13:44 the whole thing just yeah but they fell into its own foot there are some anomalies like there's
00:13:47 like a catholic church i forget the cathedral name or there's saint patrick's yeah well that's
00:13:52 what i guess that was what i was getting to is that that i was expecting to be impressed by like
00:13:57 the size of the buildings sure but then when you go into saint patrick's cathedral there's just
00:14:02 something otherworldly yeah when you go see that yeah like as somebody who was doing estimates on
00:14:08 buildings like i'm just looking up and i'm like i'm not even sure like where you would begin
00:14:13 to figure out like draw the plans just drawing the plans would be yeah immensely complicated
00:14:19 and then how would anyone even how could you even get a price to say how much this building is going
00:14:25 to cost that's a great question yeah and where are you gonna get the laborers and who are skilled
00:14:30 enough to do this yeah and then there's that additional that's right that additional element
00:14:35 of like cymatics, I believe is what it's called, where you can actually have, let's say, salt on a
00:14:41 plate and play the correct frequency. And that salt will start to organize itself in spires that
00:14:48 look like, you know, you stripped all of the ornate detail out of a cathedral. Well, I was
00:14:54 just looking that up as you were talking about Roman cathedrals. It's a thought that I've had
00:14:57 for a long time. When it comes to music and frequency and pitch and all that stuff, the Roman 0.56
00:15:02 cathedral the roman uh pillars uh two of them are named all the doric pillars and ionic pillars so
00:15:08 ionic the ionian is the first degree of the major scale and then the rest the the other six notes
00:15:13 fall under that so if you have like a c major scale all the rest will fall under that dorian
00:15:18 or doric mode will be the second degree and when you i i i assume if you put this on a cymatic
00:15:25 plate it would create a certain structure and i wouldn't be surprised if the romans were using
00:15:29 some sort of frequency in this way
00:15:32 to design the pillar to be structurally integral.
00:15:35 Oh, yeah.
00:15:36 Oh, yeah, well, I think that's what...
00:15:38 I'll give credit to my buddy Paul Stobbs,
00:15:40 who we've talked about these on my podcast.
00:15:42 Oh, shout out to Paul Stobbs, yeah.
00:15:44 Is that what the cathedrals kind of resemble,
00:15:47 especially some of the outsides of them,
00:15:48 and maybe even the insides as well,
00:15:50 it does seem like sound vibration manifests into stone.
00:15:56 Yeah.
00:15:56 And so, yeah, like you brought up the fact that
00:15:58 If you have like the cymatic patterns, a lot of times in these buildings, the sound resonance creates the cymatic pattern that resembles the rose window that's in the cathedral.
00:16:09 And you're like, that's not an that can't be an accident.
00:16:11 Yeah. And I think that just from a a thing of like where we think of technology is like this and like most people just can't get behind the idea that these people had technology, too.
00:16:22 Yeah. But it's like a different technology. It's like a parallel technology where wet technology.
00:16:27 This is based on water, sound, vibration, frequency, maybe electromagnetic energy.
00:16:35 And that's why people think that what these buildings might have been, they might have been a way to harness energy from the ether.
00:16:42 Like they was pulling energy down from the sky.
00:16:44 And then with the water, the bells, the pipe organs.
00:16:48 They're always domed, too?
00:16:49 Well, a lot of them have.
00:16:51 There's a great example of that, by the way.
00:16:52 In the window there is exactly what you're talking about.
00:16:55 and uh i mean the intimate knowledge of frequency that these people had uh we saw tons of that in
00:17:01 germany that's like that's like all of the cathedrals in germany are like that have you
00:17:05 have you ever spoken with topher gardner oh yeah yeah yeah i've done a few podcasts with him yeah
00:17:09 yeah we actually i think we had a podcast specifically we were talking a lot about
00:17:13 the the timelines of these cathedrals because i said it's so funny when you actually do go
00:17:18 research some of these old buildings like especially in america you get timelines like
00:17:22 this building was built in one year it's like this crazy gothic cathedral well actually not
00:17:27 the gothic cathedral it's more like the uh the greco-roman buildings or something like something
00:17:31 like resembles a castle something like this hold on let me bring that up on there so this this is
00:17:35 something that you would see commonly at like city hall right where yeah yeah and you go saying they
00:17:41 built that in a year i don't know that they say they built that particular building but
00:17:45 still like the this is you're saying the conventional explanation for a lot of these
00:17:49 buildings yeah with like extremely short timelines considering they had no power tools they have to
00:17:55 take you know all they have to mine the stuff and they have to take it off trains and they have to
00:17:59 put it on horses and you know and then you look at the size and cut of the stones too when you're
00:18:03 going that's an additional layer of complexity but the timelines are short in a lot of the buildings
00:18:09 in america but when you look at like gothic cathedral especially like in europe some of
00:18:14 like five and six hundred years that they supposedly built them and i and i think that's
00:18:18 equally implausible generations of people it'd be like you're gonna start building a building
00:18:23 that your great great great great grandchildren will not be able to enjoy that's wild like that
00:18:28 makes no sense yeah so and if if that was true and what uh tover was actually bringing up made
00:18:34 sense to me is that we're talking about if you had that kind of progression that took so long
00:18:41 you would see the different levels of when they built certain parts of it
00:18:45 because there would be clear definitive lines where they had to stop
00:18:48 and they started again.
00:18:50 Like you mentioned you were in construction.
00:18:53 Some of the stones would be 500 years older than other stones at the top, right?
00:18:58 Exactly.
00:18:58 And that would be another thing.
00:18:59 Exactly.
00:18:59 And if you think about it, I guess when you get to be a little bit older,
00:19:04 you start to think about time in the way that you view it a little bit differently.
00:19:09 But, okay, America, we're told, just celebrated its 250-year anniversary, right?
00:19:14 So some of these buildings took longer than America.
00:19:17 That's what I'm saying.
00:19:18 So, like, just consider that if a building took 500 years to build,
00:19:23 like, if George Washington started this building, it's halfway done.
00:19:27 Yeah, that's an insane thing to say.
00:19:29 And nobody revolted or was like, yeah, F this.
00:19:32 And during the 500 years, they all just stuck to it.
00:19:34 We're just trying to survive winters.
00:19:36 We're trying to get enough to feed our families. 0.90
00:19:38 And meanwhile, like the peasants are going back to live in these grass huts and shacks and stuff.
00:19:43 And meanwhile, they're like the most master craftsman you can imagine.
00:19:48 I mean, it's like, you know, how it goes in construction.
00:19:51 Some of the best people that work for me, yeah, obviously they really improved their house based on the skills they had.
00:19:57 You know, it's not like they all lived in mansions.
00:19:59 But the thing is, if they knew how to do this, they could do it cheaper at their own house.
00:20:02 Exactly.
00:20:03 And so, like, why wouldn't there be, I don't know, maybe, I'm not saying everybody had to have a stone house.
00:20:08 No.
00:20:09 But at the same time, you're talking about these buildings have ornate details in every, like, almost every square inch of these places.
00:20:17 And, like, it's implausible to me.
00:20:19 So I'd say, like, that these stories are hard to believe.
00:20:23 Yeah.
00:20:23 I mean, it doesn't mean it's not true just because I don't find it credible.
00:20:27 But then it does start to beg the question, like, what's the alternative?
00:20:30 Because the idea of laborers stacking stones and doing it for 500 years, that seems ridiculous.
00:20:39 So I'm willing to get equally as outrageous in my speculations as to what the alternative is.
00:20:45 I mean, the technology to cut the stones would have been a huge focus on speeding up the process, right?
00:20:53 That's a huge element of it.
00:20:55 And then the technology for the transportation of the stones would have also been a huge element to speeding up this process.
00:21:03 Man, but cutting the stones from the, what do they call them, the quarries and refining them and all these different things.
00:21:10 I mean, you would have to, in order to shorten that time frame, because, you know, 500 years makes absolutely no sense.
00:21:18 uh i mean is it would have to be within the generation of a of a man you know one man's
00:21:24 lifetime i can't see you would think you would think i mean because it's funny because if you
00:21:28 talk about like ancient egypt well they'll say that they built the great pyramid in giza within
00:21:34 like 20 to 30 years because they have to justify being a tomb for some man right yeah you can't
00:21:40 say it's just bending it however you can right well there's precedence though for like a like
00:21:45 Solomon's temple was, what, seven years, and then his own home took, like, ten?
00:21:49 Well, you know that they say in the Testament of Solomon.
00:21:52 I'm not saying it's accurate, but they say that the demons helped build the temple.
00:21:55 Yeah, the idea that he was building altars for all his different pagan wives' gods.
00:21:59 Yeah, but I'm just talking about the timeline, though.
00:22:01 Like, the timeline, I think it was seven years on the temple,
00:22:04 but then, like, ten on his own home.
00:22:06 Yeah, it took him longer to build his house than it took him to build the temple.
00:22:10 And I think it said that the rock was actually quarried, was cut at the quarry.
00:22:16 Like, they didn't bring it.
00:22:17 Well, yeah, they were not going to use tools in the temple.
00:22:20 So they did everything, and they prepped it, and then they brought it in.
00:22:24 No, I mean, I guess the truth is somebody did it somehow.
00:22:27 I'm not saying it couldn't happen.
00:22:28 Of course, we've never seen what Solomon's temple looked like,
00:22:30 and we can only imagine how glorious it was.
00:22:33 So the Wailing Wall is not part of it?
00:22:34 Oh, no, absolutely.
00:22:35 We're not doing that.
00:22:36 God bless Israel.
00:22:37 God bless Israel. 1.00
00:22:38 Stop that. 1.00
00:22:39 We got kicked out of Leesburg last time for that.
00:22:40 Matt always wants to talk about it.
00:22:42 Do you think there's any overlap between, and I don't want to cut you off,
00:22:46 but I'm sure people want to hear about the hidden history of things you've done
00:22:49 in a thousand of these podcasts.
00:22:50 But in your opinion, do you think there's any overlap between what's happening
00:22:54 with UFO disclosure, technological disclosure, not just the alien side of it,
00:23:00 and whatever was going on back then?
00:23:02 Well, you know, it's funny you bring that up because we're in alignment.
00:23:06 I know we did the podcast when we were talking about you guys going back and forth
00:23:10 with Tim O'Brien.
00:23:11 Things have gotten crazier since then, right?
00:23:13 We're doing disclosure,
00:23:14 you know, soft, slow-rolled disclosure.
00:23:16 It actually turned out exactly the way we said it.
00:23:18 Yeah, by the way,
00:23:19 we said he was trying to get on Rogan's,
00:23:20 he was trying to do a publicity run,
00:23:22 he was trying to find some viral people to smoke.
00:23:25 No, if you're going to bring up the whaling ball,
00:23:27 if you're going to bring up the whaling ball,
00:23:29 I'm bringing up daddy.
00:23:30 Hey, I'm talking about daddy like that.
00:23:32 I'm just saying,
00:23:33 we said all these things were him positioning himself
00:23:36 to try to go on this good media run
00:23:39 And leading up to disclosure, he wanted to kind of position himself as a talking head for Christianity in particular, which, you know, I don't know how well that went.
00:23:47 He went on Rogan's show.
00:23:48 I don't know if he glorified God.
00:23:49 We looked at the transcript.
00:23:51 I can't bring myself to listen to the episode.
00:23:52 That's a whole other thing.
00:23:53 But it looks like we kind of nailed exactly what was going on there.
00:23:56 So it's just been a weird turn of events, predictable, but weird turn of events since the last time we talked.
00:24:04 Yeah, I guess the thing is, as we talked about when we had our podcast over my channel,
00:24:09 is that I think that we've been expecting the Behold a Pale Horse narrative to come.
00:24:16 As soon as you woke up as a truther, people read that book, and you're like,
00:24:19 okay, so they're going to fake an alien invasion.
00:24:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:24:21 You heard about Wernher von Braun or his secretary saying that the last card is alien.
00:24:26 So we're all kind of prepped for that, and I think a lot of people believed in aliens
00:24:30 until the government started saying, guess what?
00:24:33 There's aliens.
00:24:33 there's like all these different kinds of races like just like the movies it's totally cool yeah
00:24:37 yeah and then people said you're lying to us so it's interesting that a lot of us when we first
00:24:43 saw the trailer to a disclosure day that's new spielberg movie yeah we're expecting like something
00:24:48 like oh man what are they gonna like they're gonna show something oh dude well before before you got
00:24:53 here uh we were we were talking with jt was like what else do you do besides little season because
00:24:56 it's just all a little no and he was like man i love the symbolism in hollywood and that's one
00:25:01 that I specifically didn't bring up on purpose.
00:25:03 Wait, oh, no, no, Isaac Cappy.
00:25:05 I'm sorry.
00:25:06 It's like, you're Isaac Weiss.
00:25:07 Isaac Weiss.
00:25:08 For the audience,
00:25:09 I want to say that real quick.
00:25:10 For the audience,
00:25:10 Fittest Flat Earther accused you
00:25:12 of being Isaac Cappy. 0.61
00:25:13 I can see it.
00:25:14 Yeah, yeah, a little bit.
00:25:15 I can see it.
00:25:16 We both have, well,
00:25:17 he did have a beard.
00:25:19 White.
00:25:19 Eyes.
00:25:20 Nose.
00:25:21 Which is also Christian Bale.
00:25:24 So in this big circle,
00:25:26 we're all Christian Bale.
00:25:27 In a sense.
00:25:28 We're all Batman.
00:25:28 In a sense, perhaps.
00:25:29 Batman.
00:25:30 So yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:25:31 but not not uh not isaac wise so i didn't bring up the movie disclosure days i had a feeling that
00:25:35 we'd be tiptoeing into it but what did you what did you think about that i thought it sucked
00:25:40 i thought it was terrible i mean that's the thing it's like i'm a movie guy so like i can appreciate
00:25:46 a good movie even if it has an overall evil message like because like i enjoy watching the
00:25:50 movie to pick out that did you watch spider-man no i'm waiting uh my daughter says it's good hey
00:25:56 when he gets back from vacation. 0.83
00:25:57 Your poisonous, subliminal goyslop, 1.00
00:26:00 they nailed it, and it's really good. 0.98
00:26:02 And if you could just suspend it.
00:26:03 Well, that's the thing.
00:26:03 I liked all the Marvel movies,
00:26:05 and I think, well, I liked them before I woke up,
00:26:07 and I enjoyed going back and saying,
00:26:10 oh, gosh, they were saying this here,
00:26:12 they were saying this here.
00:26:12 Look how they've been psyoping us.
00:26:13 And so then, of course, as I continue to watch,
00:26:16 the Marvel movies I could stomach now 1.00
00:26:18 after they got all gay. 1.00
00:26:21 Yeah, well, like I said, 1.00
00:26:23 Spider-Man's good.
00:26:24 You'll like it.
00:26:24 No, no, again, I can still appreciate a good movie.
00:26:28 I guess even looking past the code, just saying,
00:26:31 oh, I can appreciate that was a good movie.
00:26:33 Yeah.
00:26:33 But Disclosure Day, it was just bad.
00:26:37 It was just a bad movie.
00:26:38 And I thought there was maybe a couple little things,
00:26:42 like a couple little nuanced things,
00:26:43 like that little MacGuffin with some kind of a bar or something,
00:26:46 and this guy could supposedly jump into somebody,
00:26:50 kind of like what you were saying.
00:26:51 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:26:51 You could jump into somebody's mind.
00:26:54 It's like possession.
00:26:54 it sounds demonic obviously the but the the overall thing was like what they showed in the
00:27:00 trailer you were expecting that maybe to be earlier in the movie like that people would
00:27:05 find out that aliens were real and then you were going to see the aftermath but that's the end of
00:27:10 the movie and all it really is is like the the typical stuff that you would see now on the news
00:27:17 like this grainy uap whatever flying beans and rice and yeah you know just like stuff that 0.99
00:27:25 that people have seen before and of course they splice in some goofy cgi aliens and you're like
00:27:31 this is this it yeah and so all that being said i i think a lot of people thought there was going
00:27:38 to be something a bigger there really was nothing oh no no i didn't i didn't think that at all it
00:27:42 is an interesting point that he's making though where it's like they buried the lead i mean that
00:27:45 that was the end of the movie all of those scenes and i think that's the point of it though it was
00:27:51 it was well occulted what they were trying to get you to think or or do they had one mission right
00:27:56 yeah the one mission and it wasn't storyline it was like loose like like your favorite part where
00:28:01 the guy is hiding at the in the farm and he's like behind a picket fence and all of the fbi or the 0.91
00:28:06 cia can't see him like i like how he thwarts the fbi in the beginning he's like psych bitch i got 0.88
00:28:11 it in my back pocket they're like no i didn't think he would put in his pocket yeah the movie 0.98
00:28:17 was literally the feds are looking for somebody they go hide someplace the feds find out they're
00:28:23 there and then they go run it happens like three or four times yeah and the the scene where they're
00:28:27 in the train when the guy was shooting at the guy when he was shooting out the window at the guy
00:28:32 trying to climb up the train i was just like what is this yeah i thought steven spielberg could make
00:28:36 a good movie i mean obviously he used to be able to it's not the point that wasn't the point of it
00:28:40 He did Inception, right?
00:28:42 I think a lot of that.
00:28:43 No, he didn't do that.
00:28:43 Oh, no, Christopher Nolan.
00:28:44 What did he do?
00:28:45 He did E.T.
00:28:46 Oh, he did E.T.
00:28:48 He did Raiders of the Lost Ark.
00:28:49 I thought E.T. sucked ass. 1.00
00:28:50 That's a long time ago, though, man. 1.00
00:28:51 He's gotten old and bad since then.
00:28:53 He's done Schindler's List.
00:28:54 Okay, all right.
00:28:55 Another fictional movie that's true.
00:28:57 Hey, hey.
00:28:58 Well, he makes beautiful pieces of fiction.
00:29:00 Yeah, no, I mean, I understand what you're saying.
00:29:02 I think he nailed what he came there to do.
00:29:04 And what he came there to do was distract people.
00:29:06 Because everybody walked away and said, this was a bad movie. 0.99
00:29:08 like even my normie relatives were like this movie was stupid it didn't make any sense what 0.98
00:29:13 was his point then the point was to go ahead yeah no go ahead it was it's gnostic subversion at at 0.99
00:29:18 the bottom of everything but go ahead tell them what it's basically what they're trying to do is
00:29:22 um obscure all of the obvious oh hey trauma what's going on guys what's up guys um all the obvious
00:29:30 demonic trauma associated with the abductee victim story or testimony and they they bury that they
00:29:37 give you a brief little moment at the fear of the children you know being on the and then they go 1.00
00:29:41 hey but that's okay the fucking things that kidnap you and they rape you and they impregnate you and 1.00
00:29:45 they do the you know uh black-eyed children things and they put implants in you and they 1.00
00:29:50 paralyze you and fill you with terror and doom they're the good guys yeah right it's what yeah
00:29:55 to me i'm watching that i'm like well yeah so they're just saying they're demons i mean i think
00:29:58 everybody that's when you're watching that and i think it's interesting that uh you guys have had
00:30:02 Sethlehem on your podcast?
00:30:04 Yeah, how did you?
00:30:05 You reached out about having him?
00:30:06 I had him on the podcast.
00:30:07 Fascinating take on things.
00:30:09 We actually broke his...
00:30:11 Hymen.
00:30:12 His Hymen.
00:30:12 His podcast Hymen.
00:30:14 Yeah, he was the first...
00:30:15 I think we were the first podcast he ever did.
00:30:18 Yeah.
00:30:18 And because he was a fan of the show,
00:30:20 we reached out and we're like,
00:30:21 should we have this guy?
00:30:21 I got to bring his book
00:30:22 so we could put it up there
00:30:23 with the rest of these things.
00:30:23 We saw his hair.
00:30:24 We were like, I don't like his hair.
00:30:25 Do you want it in the studio?
00:30:26 That's why I reached out to you.
00:30:28 I was like, I don't know.
00:30:29 And he's got a way of talking.
00:30:30 He's in your DMs
00:30:31 And he's talking in a certain way that nobody else talks like.
00:30:34 And I'm like, this is either a psychopath or a dude with something fascinating.
00:30:37 Or a combination.
00:30:38 I liked when I had him on the podcast, though, because every time I tried to interject something, I could see him start to sweat.
00:30:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:45 This presentation is three hours long.
00:30:48 Dude, I pulled him in the back of that room and I said, listen, brother, you're going to do a lot of these because this is like you're bringing good information.
00:30:54 But you need to pace yourself and you need to have a conversation when the host is doing it.
00:30:59 he was like got it got it got it next time he came on he was like i have five hours to do it
00:31:04 we're getting through it yeah exactly it was like he if he didn't get through his notes he was like
00:31:08 sweating we did three three hour episodes with that dude and i think he still has more to say
00:31:12 yeah but i i loved that theory and i and i think it fits with the alien abduction stories and alien
00:31:17 encounters so well that if these people who are experiencing some kind of an astral simulation
00:31:23 as seth would put it it's like a dream state that people would say is as real as reality
00:31:29 Yeah. So in that dream state, if you can't tell the difference between reality in this dream state, well, then couldn't that explain tons of the alien encounters?
00:31:39 So much of it. I think it fits perfectly. I was even it's funny because he doesn't watch movies as much as I do.
00:31:44 So I said I said, oh, did you guys ever see that Dr. Strange movie, the first one?
00:31:47 Right. When the ancient one is teaching Dr. Strange that they can practice their magic in this mirror dimension.
00:31:54 So they would create this mirror dimension around them, and meanwhile, it didn't affect the outside world.
00:31:59 So inside the mirror dimension, people could be injured, but buildings could fold on top of themselves.
00:32:05 And that would not be the case in real life.
00:32:06 And so it also said in the movie that this dark magic was more powerful in this mirror dimension.
00:32:12 Yeah.
00:32:12 And I was like, oh, dang, so what if that's what's happening?
00:32:16 Like, what if this is an astral simulation?
00:32:20 Yeah.
00:32:20 It's a dream state, and you can be physically harmed in it.
00:32:23 So, like, the trauma could be real that people are experiencing.
00:32:26 But the truth is—
00:32:27 That's like when people get surgeries, but they've got no scars left.
00:32:31 And they're like, I was open up on an operating table in this place.
00:32:35 But when I woke up, no matter how real it felt, I've got no scars.
00:32:39 I've got nothing that tells me that I was actually ever operated on.
00:32:43 Well, I'm talking about even people when they talk about having scratches or bruises.
00:32:47 I mean, I think about, like, the movie Fight Club.
00:32:49 Okay.
00:32:49 I mean, Tyler Durden is not a real person.
00:32:54 He's the demon inside Edward Norton's character.
00:32:57 So when he comes in with a black eye and a broken nose, it's like, well, I got beat up by somebody.
00:33:02 Well, then they show in the other scene he's beating himself up in front of his boss.
00:33:06 Right, right, yeah.
00:33:06 So, like, if a demon possessed somebody, like, your memory is gone.
00:33:11 So this is why these people lose time.
00:33:14 And so anyways, I think that that makes sense, even if you watch that movie with that mindset,
00:33:18 is that you know because for one the aliens were messing with children yeah in their bedrooms
00:33:25 which is like an amazing thing to glaze over and not realize that that's a bad guy the horror on
00:33:30 their faces and as i thought they did a good job acting during this part where like recreating the
00:33:35 trauma in that house and when the aliens are taking them and then to only go into that that
00:33:40 broadcasting station and go yeah this is actually fine yeah well yeah so that was the interesting
00:33:44 part because i would think you know emily blunt's like the main character in the movie
00:33:48 and she does not want to talk about that time right she's totally traumatized and then they
00:33:53 they kind of gloss over why oh it's just et did it so it's okay but they go into it in this dream
00:34:01 state they're walking toward the hansel and gretel house yeah i was like does anybody not get the
00:34:06 the ick from that because the story goes is this witch was trying to cook these children into pies
00:34:13 But for some reason, they're like, they have this reverence for it.
00:34:15 Like, it's the Hansel and Gretel house.
00:34:17 It's like, that's where the witch eats the kids.
00:34:19 Yeah, exactly. 0.96
00:34:20 You get in the oven, and you die.
00:34:22 Oh, hey, hey, hey, what's up?
00:34:23 The oven, the oven, I'm sorry.
00:34:25 Uh-oh.
00:34:25 You go through the wooden doors, and you get in the oven.
00:34:27 Do the math, dude.
00:34:28 No, but absolutely, yeah.
00:34:29 So this is a traumatic experience for this person.
00:34:33 But now when somebody says, oh, by the way, the aliens are actually pretty nice.
00:34:38 It's like, so that whitewashes everything else.
00:34:41 and then they implant some kind of a thing in her
00:34:44 that's going to be unlocked later
00:34:46 where she can translate all these languages
00:34:48 so she can talk to the alien one day.
00:34:50 I don't know, just some weird stuff,
00:34:51 especially with the connection with the deer.
00:34:55 It seems like the deer in these movies
00:34:56 is always coming up.
00:34:57 Yeah, it's like a stag.
00:34:58 Yeah, this deer that's just staring at people.
00:35:00 Yeah, that came up in Leave the World Behind, right?
00:35:02 Leave the World Behind, the Obama production thing.
00:35:04 That was a big part of it.
00:35:05 So you have that, then you have a cardinal
00:35:08 and a fox or something.
00:35:10 the cardinal is a weird one because it's related to the catholic church red was a big theme i think
00:35:15 it's kind of like the the woman there was a big by the way um inadvertently brohemian grove is
00:35:21 going to be on this lion's gate day really which has to do with the divine feminine last year was
00:35:26 on the summer equinox something like summer solstice like we're not we're not planning this
00:35:31 we're just like it's i wanted a day that was the end of july just a coincidence that's it uh and
00:35:36 they said that's all booked up so the next one they had available was the eighth and i said
00:35:39 whatever eight eight so so i thought hh which is hulk hogan but it's also hal hitler so there's
00:35:45 like a lot of funny stuff in there and then it turns out like no actually lion's gate portal
00:35:50 nancy was telling me today has to do with isis worship so we're gonna get on stage and we're 0.99
00:35:55 gonna say fuck you to isis and fuck you to ishtar and we're probably gonna get you know cursed or 1.00
00:35:59 something like that uh so we'll use that day to do something you know super anti uh divine feminine 1.00
00:36:05 Maybe we just do the show. 0.99
00:36:07 Which is always inherently...
00:36:09 Or we could just ignore that and just act like that.
00:36:12 Well, the show always goes...
00:36:13 Like, lately, we've been talking a lot, and this goes back to the movie.
00:36:16 Lately?
00:36:16 Within it, there is this...
00:36:17 It's all we do.
00:36:18 Pretty much, yeah. 0.98
00:36:19 We talk about this divine feminine element, right?
00:36:21 Which is, like, the queen of heaven, which in Jeremiah...
00:36:25 Most people agree they're talking about Ishtar.
00:36:28 Yeah, and they're pissing off God.
00:36:29 um and so uh this character ishtar isis hecate lilith they all seem interchangeable it's this 0.99
00:36:36 big divine feminine thing that is present in the film uh she is like the woman in red when
00:36:41 she first comes on camera uh i forget her name but but what's the actress's name emily blunt
00:36:46 emily blunt uh uh margaret faith child i think is her name morgan fairchild morgan fairchild 1.00
00:36:54 fairchild something like that um so she's wearing this whole you know red dress get up and she has 0.99
00:37:00 this uh project monarch style breakdown right when they introduce her they show the butterflies on
00:37:06 the wall so yeah and then definitely project monarch is the celebrity wing of the mk ultra
00:37:12 project so when you see celebrities having meltdowns like katie perry or uh bigfoot from
00:37:17 the talk show i forget what her name is um uh the big black lady who does a talk show and she has a
00:37:22 meltdown and turns into a robot that's always pointed in that movie no no no the real one in 0.61
00:37:29 real life there's a big black woman who looks a lot like a sasquatch uh not i was i was really
00:37:34 thinking oprah's very tiny um somebody in the chat might know but uh so these celebrities have 1.00
00:37:40 the wendy williams thank you panda fly wendy williams she has like this meltdown on stage 0.95
00:37:44 where it seems like her programming went wrong right and this happens oh yeah she's glitching 0.97
00:37:49 yeah yeah glitching and so that is always pointing back to project monarch the celebrity division of
00:37:55 the the mind control experimentation and um so they show her with the monarch butterflies all 0.77
00:38:00 over the wall and then the next scene practically she's having the meltdown where she's glitching
00:38:05 out on tv and the whole thing has like this big demonic overlay it's funny because in mk ultra or
00:38:11 in project monarch to get these states um you know to achieve these states of consciousness
00:38:17 disassociation they do it through trauma oh yeah so all of the wallpaper in her bedroom
00:38:24 is butterflies in that house that they recreate that is the scene of her childhood trauma
00:38:30 so they're they're like pointing at it directly like they're telling you
00:38:33 trauma-based disassociation project monarch demonic uh uh what's the word possession yeah
00:38:41 well even like i said that the whatever that federal agency that was using the macguffin to
00:38:47 to drop into somebody yeah okay so what's a mcguffin because i like that word it is a great
00:38:51 word i've never well mcguffin would be like it's like a delicious muffin it's basically like a plot
00:38:55 device so like this thing so in that movie the crystal it could do whatever it needed to do to
00:39:01 progress the platform yeah whatever that needed to do now do you see what i mean like i mean all
00:39:06 the well i mean all the spielberg movies typically have one i mean you could call it like the arc of
00:39:09 the covenant a mcguffin it's like it's just the thing they're going to get yeah so like but in
00:39:14 this movie it was like it was really never explained what it was and or even what it did
00:39:18 the guy had it and they're like oh shit don't don't squeeze yeah it was like squeeze it yeah
00:39:21 yeah well i guess it like they disappeared out of reality and they came back i saw yeah with 0.77
00:39:26 one then you could also like channel into somebody with the thing it was yeah it was weird and then
00:39:32 it like didn't blow up at some point it could make things invisible well she squeezed it for
00:39:36 so long she sucked all the juice out of it now it had no more juice that's the point of the movie
00:39:42 That's what I'm saying.
00:39:42 The point is that there is no point to whatever that is. 0.98
00:39:45 There's no fucking point. 0.93
00:39:45 They just got to tell you the one important thing. 0.98
00:39:47 These are the good guys.
00:39:48 These are the good guys.
00:39:49 Yeah, well, yeah, more or less that that kind of is the theme of it.
00:39:52 But I do kind of think about it with the idea that the aliens are posing as animals. 0.69
00:39:58 And if you think about, like, the Skinwalker Ranch stuff where, like, the Native American mythologies is that Skinwalkers were demons that pretended to be animals. 0.94
00:40:07 Right. 0.97
00:40:07 Or they were witch doctors. 0.67
00:40:09 Yeah, or, yeah, the witch doctors. 0.73
00:40:10 Who are working through demons.
00:40:11 Yes, and then they're appearing to be an animal.
00:40:14 That's a great observation.
00:40:15 Actually, there's going to be a very interesting debate coming up.
00:40:17 We're going to have a witch doctor at Bohemian Grove. 0.97
00:40:19 We're going to sacrifice her. 0.96
00:40:20 No, we're going to have Heather Lynn there, and she's going to be debating our boy James Williams at a World War debate, which I want to go to.
00:40:30 It's going to be in Tennessee, but the premise is, are aliens demons?
00:40:33 So they're going to do this debate, and I hope they do it justice because Heather Lynn's going to be taking the affirmative that they—
00:40:39 No, no, no, she's going to be taking the negative.
00:40:40 They are not demons.
00:40:41 She's going to steel man that, and James Williams is going to be taking the affirmative, and it's going to be a banger.
00:40:46 It's going to be entertaining and a really great comment.
00:40:49 I can't wait to go.
00:40:50 I can't wait to see that.
00:40:51 The richness of that conversation and all the dynamic that play – because if you want to go our aliens, demons, it's like you can say that, and I would say you're pretty damn accurate.
00:41:03 But if you want to get into the complexity of the big picture, like there's so many places to go.
00:41:07 i do think for example that a lot of the alien abductions are uh associated directly with what
00:41:13 we would call mk ultra yeah i think like i said it's part and parcel where the mk ultra is
00:41:18 associated with demons yes i mean again we were talking before the podcast about stranger things
00:41:23 i mean that's what that whole thing's about is like that that they mess with these children
00:41:27 and all of a sudden the demogorgon shows up like what do you think that that is like obviously
00:41:31 they're mk ultra and these children they're they're traumatizing them you know the real
00:41:35 story of project montauk is they're trying to get these kids to astral project to the moon and mars
00:41:39 and all that stuff yeah and then all of a sudden a demon shows up oh you know like like it's like
00:41:44 do you think there's some correlation here it's like that so no it's just stranger things stranger
00:41:49 things is toward you know told through like the the spectrum of like a horror story but then you
00:41:54 could easily tell the same story like they did in it's disclosure day as science fiction yes it's
00:41:59 It's the exact same thing.
00:42:01 Yeah.
00:42:01 It's that they were traumatized, and then some kind of being from another dimension shows up.
00:42:06 Why do people get in trouble for saying this?
00:42:09 Well, do they have to do that to make us—
00:42:12 Is it an element of it where we have to say yes to it, and that's why it's in the movies?
00:42:17 That's why it's in the shows, is to get us to see that?
00:42:20 If that's what they're doing, why would they make it so blunt in movies and TV shows that that's what they're doing?
00:42:25 Well, I think what they're doing—
00:42:26 Well, I think there is a—
00:42:27 The duper is delight.
00:42:28 I think there is something about our accuser needing to get you to consent to something that he's already telling you is bad.
00:42:36 Because the thing is, if I got you to do something that was bad and you had no idea it was bad.
00:42:41 Are you culpable?
00:42:41 Would God judge you based on that?
00:42:43 And I don't think our God holds us accountable to things we have no idea about.
00:42:48 But if I told you before that, I was like, yeah, you know, you shouldn't go in that place.
00:42:51 There are levels.
00:42:52 There's levels of, like, culpability and consent.
00:42:55 and as we go through this this game and we're being psyop with it i feel like people are starting
00:43:00 to really know now like people and if you don't know you have a very strong feeling on your heart
00:43:05 well you should know if you have an aversion to the bible like a strong aversion which is pretty
00:43:09 common in america uh you might galvanize to the new age take on things which is like benign space 0.92
00:43:16 homies and all that other crap um and i think you had to kind of lay that fertile ground first you 0.76
00:43:20 had to bastardize christianity in the west you had to um water it down and create a caricature of it 0.97
00:43:28 that culturally we would be aware of and if you really believed that that caricature was
00:43:33 representative of the bible and christianity then you would kind of stave that off and push that
00:43:38 away because the the reduced version that we get is laughable until you really look and you go oh
00:43:43 there's so much richness here so if you had that inclination to push that away and rebel against
00:43:47 that they've laid that fertile ground now when they come and introduce this additional element
00:43:51 of disclosure or any of these things that we're seeing you know that reveal these projects like
00:43:56 project monarch and uh and montauk um then you would go new age well i think the thing is is that
00:44:03 the information about mk ultra and project monarch that's government disclosed documents so like
00:44:10 they it's almost like that they put it in a movie like zoolander to make it seem silly because it's
00:44:16 It's in Zoolander?
00:44:18 I don't think I've watched Zoolander.
00:44:19 Mind control.
00:44:20 Oh, yeah. 0.99
00:44:21 The context of Zoolander is he's supposed to get brainwashed and kill somebody.
00:44:25 Really?
00:44:26 I never knew that.
00:44:27 Yeah, they're turning him into a Manchurian candidate.
00:44:30 Really?
00:44:30 Yeah, yeah.
00:44:30 He goes to a day spa, and then he realizes he was there for a month.
00:44:34 Oh, my God.
00:44:36 He's 25 and back.
00:44:37 Yeah, and I think that so he's supposed to do his blue steel thing or whatever.
00:44:41 He's doing his runway walk.
00:44:43 And so the prime minister of Malaysia is supposed to be there.
00:44:45 And then when they play Frankie Goes to Hollywood, when that song right around comes on, that's the trigger.
00:44:52 And then he goes into kung fu and all this stuff.
00:44:54 I got to watch that movie, dude.
00:44:55 I think Owen Benjamin says that movie tells the whole story of how they do it.
00:44:59 That's so funny.
00:45:00 Well, I mean, that's the thing.
00:45:00 It's like with the fashion industry, these are the kind of people that you would make into Manchurian candidates. 0.99
00:45:06 Or you use them for all kinds of things, honeypots and stuff like that. 0.60
00:45:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:09 By the way.
00:45:09 Because you take beautiful people, that's how you get in around the big parties where all the influential people are.
00:45:17 But, like, if you talk to a normal person and they say, if there's this evil force doing all this evil on the planet, why would they sneak it into the movies?
00:45:24 It is to get us to say yes, right?
00:45:26 What I'm saying is that you can take something, if you read just the documents about it, like, obviously the progression of this program, like, this is, like, straight facts.
00:45:35 like what they tried to do.
00:45:37 Now, what they ultimately end up doing with it
00:45:39 or what they were capable of doing with it,
00:45:41 they're never going to tell you.
00:45:42 Yeah, yeah.
00:45:42 No, they dissolved that program in the 70s.
00:45:45 But you can see what they've done.
00:45:46 Oh, yeah, then they stopped.
00:45:47 Yeah, exactly.
00:45:48 They stopped.
00:45:48 There's no fruits to this.
00:45:50 So they can put it in the movies
00:45:51 and they can make it seem like,
00:45:53 oh, this is a joke.
00:45:54 Yeah.
00:45:55 So then even when you hear somebody,
00:45:56 you hear like one of us talk about it,
00:45:58 oh, you're talking about Josie and the Pussycats.
00:46:02 They did the same thing in that movie.
00:46:03 Wow.
00:46:04 Oh, yeah, throughout even just cartoons, like run-of-the-mill cartoons as a kid,
00:46:07 they would use these elements.
00:46:09 There is a show called Eerie Indiana from back in the 90s,
00:46:12 and my son was watching it.
00:46:13 Very funny that it takes place in Indiana, given all the weirdness with Indiana.
00:46:16 And the first episode or the second one is about a kid with braces as a contraption
00:46:21 who is picking up the thoughts of his dog.
00:46:24 Oh, wow.
00:46:25 Yeah, yeah, and then they start getting into dental implants.
00:46:27 I feel like I've done that on LSD and mushrooms, though.
00:46:28 Well, I mean, yeah, but the dental implant in particular is, like,
00:46:32 hugely instrumental in all of this great big mk ultra work that you know to me i i believe they
00:46:38 started to try to figure out how to get these uh frequency conducting heavy metals into the brain
00:46:43 that had to get past the blood brain barrier so there goes your vaccine schedule um but you know
00:46:48 it's your youtube channel there was your youtube channel god bless israel it's we're good well you
00:46:52 know they also did in that uh show gravity falls gravity falls is gravity falls is crazy it's twin
00:46:58 peaks uh david lynch gave his blessing uh to the creator of gravity falls you know before he passed
00:47:02 away like go right ahead and and and do that and they made twin peaks for kids well did you see
00:47:07 like i mean i remember when i was first making content and i saw the clips from gravity falls
00:47:12 it's crazy when um what was it uh bill cipher yeah yeah yeah my son loves that sounds like
00:47:19 blucifer yeah yeah uh you know denver airport right but they at one point he's saying he wants
00:47:24 a puppet from this kid and he eventually finds out like the puppets use so like he pulls this
00:47:29 kid's soul out of his body and then possesses him and he gets like these reptilian eyes yeah and
00:47:34 then but later they're showing that that um bill cypher was i can't i said i forget all the
00:47:40 bill cypher by the way is just the illuminati pyramid with a little top hat on yep yep yep
00:47:46 and they're showing how they built some kind of a contraption that looks almost identical to cern
00:47:52 and this guy is channeling Bill Cipher in order to build this.
00:47:57 And everything's written in Enochian, all the symbols.
00:48:00 Every time you see the symbols, you're like,
00:48:01 is that supposed to be ancient Enochian?
00:48:03 They have tomes.
00:48:05 Your son had a book.
00:48:06 Yeah, he's got a book.
00:48:07 And he showed it to me, and I was like,
00:48:08 this looks like a book of spells, dude.
00:48:09 What is this?
00:48:10 It's insane.
00:48:11 You go through it, and it's a Rolodex of every cryptid creature
00:48:14 that is within that universe. 0.95
00:48:16 Yeah, it's psychotic.
00:48:17 And it's like, yeah, but I looked into it a little bit,
00:48:21 and it's supposed to literally be twin peaks for children yeah well i mean it definitely is
00:48:25 introducing kids to things that they would obviously have no idea what they're talking
00:48:29 about that's what i said i was horrified when i was like this is like a real this is a real thing
00:48:33 i like it because i can sit there with my son and go okay so you see what they're trying to show you
00:48:37 you see what they're trying to get you to believe about like all the all the cool characters that
00:48:42 they interact with they're all demons and we're like do you see how they're consistently telling
00:48:46 you the spiritual realm is real and they're consistently telling you that demons can be
00:48:50 like kind of cool and you can make packs and deals with them they're acknowledging all of that
00:48:55 but jesus christ is never there is never there so i'm constantly putting this filter over my kid
00:49:00 like he sees it he'll call me into the living room he'll be like dad look they're doing the
00:49:03 thing with the eye and the you know what i mean and i'm like yep there it is man and he's 11 he's
00:49:08 but he's got this understanding now that um it's not just to desensitize you it's very much like
00:49:14 the age of disclosure i'm sorry disclosure day film where it's like yeah these things are real
00:49:19 and they're good guys or it's a situation where they want you to think it's uh this is fiction
00:49:25 that's true too yeah like because you know because if you hear this thing you could you
00:49:28 you connect it with a cartoon you connect it with the movie you don't really connect it with their
00:49:33 actual government doing all the things and not only that that's the government funding this kind
00:49:37 of stuff to come out so i'm going to go back to that about the um the disclosure day though because
00:49:42 i thought it was interesting the way that that movie again for most people maybe who are like
00:49:48 in our community and i think in general like because i i used to like to watch a lot of uh
00:49:52 youtubers who you know break down movies and tv shows and i kind of actually liked it when they
00:49:57 said this you know when they really broke down how much it sucked i just enjoy watching that
00:50:00 kind of stuff but there was a lot of people like uh like nerd erotic yeah i like watching like
00:50:05 the easter eggs they catch like here's all the stuff you didn't see in the trailer i'm like let's
00:50:09 go so he he was a guy who i guess he said he does another podcast or something where he's like he's
00:50:15 really one of these alien believers okay and he was talking about how he was super disappointed
00:50:20 in it and i so i think the general consensus was that the movie was not very good and we really
00:50:26 didn't get a lot new so i saw a really interesting video we were just talking about this on my
00:50:31 podcast is that it almost feels like is the alien thing going to change into an ai thing
00:50:38 because what this guy was floating is like the idea of like an alien invasion now just seems
00:50:45 implausible it seems like that they're kind of all over it they're kind of dangling this carrot
00:50:49 like this is something that's going to happen and i'm not saying like this is like a foolproof uh
00:50:54 fact or anything like that but it seems like they've been doing the same thing from my perspective
00:51:00 for like the past probably eight or nine years like since 2017 it's like been more of the more
00:51:06 of the same not a lot new not a lot more revealed yeah but the idea that when elon musk says that
00:51:13 ai is summoning the demon yeah and these people all these big tech billionaires are saying oh
00:51:19 there's about a 10 chance that ai is going to end the world one day and you're like what are you
00:51:24 talking about so yeah that's weird so if so if you could convince people a lot easier that ai 1.00
00:51:32 eventually gains
00:51:33 some kind of sentience
00:51:34 and starts firing off
00:51:36 nukes like it's
00:51:37 the Terminator
00:51:37 you know like
00:51:38 it's like Skynet
00:51:39 you could see
00:51:40 that happening
00:51:41 because in all
00:51:42 these movies
00:51:43 there's another
00:51:44 really good movie
00:51:44 another good show
00:51:45 that I've been watching
00:51:46 it's called Paradise
00:51:46 you guys seen that one?
00:51:48 Paradise, no
00:51:48 Paradise is about
00:51:49 after an apocalypse
00:51:51 they're living in
00:51:52 like they create
00:51:53 this city
00:51:54 under a mountain
00:51:55 in Denver
00:51:56 okay
00:51:56 or like in Colorado
00:51:58 somewhere
00:51:59 and eventually
00:52:00 they find out
00:52:00 there's a super
00:52:01 advanced ai that starts solving problems on its own it's answering questions they never asked and
00:52:06 it's you know it's kind of gaining some kind of ability to communicate there's another one your
00:52:10 figure kind of a deal well it's not necessarily a savior it's just this ai is not just a computer
00:52:16 anymore it's something different right okay and then uh the show silo you guys watch silo not
00:52:21 watch silo either silo is another one of these ones there's just so many of these these shows
00:52:24 like even uh was the movie or the show uh fallout fallout's another one you know there's it's always
00:52:30 about after an apocalypse i got i tuned into that one time and then i just couldn't watch it oh it's
00:52:36 kind of fun i would say fallout's good but it's a lot of killing but in but in silo i mean there's
00:52:42 some spoilers here there's an ai directing the people who are controlling the silo okay and so
00:52:47 it's like okay so you're talking about after an apocalypse and the ai's kind of in charge at some
00:52:53 point so could you convince people that ais gain what would it be easier to convince the people
00:53:00 that a spaceship's coming down with thanos or or that your ai sure we've lost control of it yeah
00:53:07 wait so would it be that ai is the savior or the ai causes all this chaos and then you insert the
00:53:13 aliens as the savior um i don't what i'm saying why not both what i'm saying is that i think that
00:53:17 they could shelve the whole alien thing they could yeah i think people are too all over it like it was
00:53:21 an interesting metric when uh the blurry creatures guys and and alberino we were having this
00:53:26 disagreement they went right after the whole thing and they did an episode and they were
00:53:30 they were saying well they framed ufos are not demons that was the title but ufos are not demons
00:53:35 people jumped down their throats they were all over and i was watching the internet kind of like
00:53:40 stomp them out i was like i don't have to do anything like this was oh yeah but then it leaves
00:53:44 you to think okay why is why are the masses now on my side oh yeah you always forget about the
00:53:51 op that that they're trying to pull or whatever they're being paid to do what op am i falling for
00:53:56 what op yeah how come everybody else is seeing it the way i'm seeing it because people don't
00:54:00 believe the feds anymore like lou alzando is your best friend is like counter counterintelligence
00:54:05 yeah yeah what alberino was on blurry creatures in that episode he was saying counterintelligence
00:54:11 is actually not what you think it is it's actually gathering intelligence okay no that's just
00:54:14 intelligence counterintelligence is protecting your own secrets yeah so if this guy's counter
00:54:18 intelligence for the pentagon then it means guess what he'll protect what they have and he might
00:54:23 leak out disinformation so you don't know what they really have yeah so like he's saying like
00:54:28 so you're gaslighting me like i know what counterintelligence yeah yeah yeah go look it up
00:54:33 go look it up on but it's not even like he's doing a good job of gaslighting he's just like i don't
00:54:36 know i think we should believe these guys like i said it's people believed in they're hiding stuff
00:54:41 under area 51 i still believe they are now are they highly you know are they hiding alien bodies
00:54:46 no i mean advanced technology yeah very very likely they're doing that and if it's not there
00:54:52 at that location it's nearby you know well area 51 has become like just code for like dumb sure
00:54:57 like so it could be any underground military base they could be doing and they're all connected i
00:55:01 would imagine these gigantic tunnel systems that shout out to the boring company i'm sure help to
00:55:06 facilitate some of the connections between one and another but whatever they had at one place
00:55:10 if they feel it's compromised or it's too um culturally relevant they're just going to move it
00:55:15 you know to another one that's still nearby but they're going to do it some but yeah so in these
00:55:19 deep underground military bases yeah they have this well what about okay i was just gonna say
00:55:23 uh like you're saying why why would all of a sudden people be seeing it my way because like
00:55:27 right after you know like uh vance went on and said aliens are demons right you guys you guys
00:55:31 have to create the two sides though do they have to try to keep it 50 50 in the country
00:55:37 exactly two sides maybe but it's the same thing with the jews and i mean you you met us
00:55:41 you and brian when you say that you had to say the jews the jews you met us when we were like 0.95
00:55:50 hey what the fuck is that and we're talking about it and it's like that was not a hospitable time 0.98
00:55:55 to be talking about this this is before like you know bigger names like stew peters or jake shields 0.99
00:55:59 were even around to talk about it yeah you'd get banned real quick back when i was coming up yeah
00:56:05 you couldn't do it on youtube at all we got in a lot of trouble for that for that kind of stuff
00:56:09 and then all of a sudden everybody's talking about it yeah well and and then i'm like okay
00:56:15 wait a second everybody now agrees with what i've been saying including high school kids like we
00:56:20 you ask that was weird whatever high school guys come in here and they'd be like oh yeah the jews
00:56:24 right they all know like yo shut up don't do that like no you know what that's i mean that's a good
00:56:29 point because i was we were talking um you know i had uh uh you guys familiar with nick oswani
00:56:34 no i don't think i am you guys would probably recognize him on there i guess he was like big
00:56:38 vine star but then he became a christian like 2021 and then he starts talking about like he
00:56:43 ships from like a like a popular just pop culture you know like celebrity on youtube to eventually
00:56:50 start talking about all the stuff like cern and all the demons and angels and stuff yeah and we
00:56:55 were both kind of sharing like our testimonies about how when we first started talking about
00:56:59 this stuff like in 2021 everybody thought we were insane yeah like everybody thought we went way off
00:57:05 the deep end talking about demons and and symbolism secret societies all that stuff and then it wasn't
00:57:12 until i want to say the end of 2023 i remember me and brian were tripping out when tucker carlson
00:57:17 was on with roseanne and talking about the nephilim and i was like oh my god that happened
00:57:21 too we were like wait a second yeah we're like are we doing a wrong thing are we yeah are we
00:57:26 stepping the wrong way the baddies because they know but roseanne and tucker are talking about it
00:57:30 yeah so then so now if you listen to you know if candace isn't talking about the tyler robinson
00:57:34 things she's talking about nimrod she's talking about all the same stuff that we did yeah yeah
00:57:38 and the ultra stuff too yeah oh yeah yeah that was an interesting do you remember that uh so it was
00:57:44 that weird time frame right after the debate with albarino he goes on uh the daily wire and he's
00:57:49 talking about whatever his thing and for no reason at all candace owen is like she's like they killed
00:57:55 charlie kirk they ate him they all this stuff and then she goes i'm gonna do a week on nimrod
00:57:59 same week and then drops it and then back onto the charlie kirk whatever she's doing now i was
00:58:04 big fan of that big fan of that yeah like but you gotta take a step back and go hold on a second
00:58:09 why though why do you just do that like there was like a concerted push by everybody to talk
00:58:13 about the nephilim even tucker had on uh that orthodox priest the the the oh and he was talking
00:58:18 about uh demons right demons yeah talking about the nephilim specifically and then they all just
00:58:23 go all right put the nephilim back on the table real quick we're gonna do charlie kirk we're gonna
00:58:26 do whatever else and then don't be surprised it's going to happen again they're going to be 0.55
00:58:30 it's going to be another what is that is that them i don't know moving the cultural bowl along
00:58:34 because it's their desire to get the conversation there or is it them having to do it because that's
00:58:39 where the conversation is going anyway well i think i think it's a situation we have like an
00:58:43 albert pike model where it's like we're going to give them their leader sure they don't want
00:58:47 the nephilim death squad to be their leader no they want tucker carlson they want tucker carlson
00:58:51 And so when Tucker Carlson, for the most part, when I've heard him talk about aliens, demons, and Nephilim,
00:58:57 I haven't really disagreed with things he's saying.
00:58:59 Because when he's talking about it, I think it was the first big podcast he did talking about that, I think, was Rogan.
00:59:04 And he was saying that these things are already here.
00:59:07 Nobody sees them come down from outer space.
00:59:09 They're spiritual.
00:59:09 They come from places that might be the ocean and places maybe from inside the earth.
00:59:14 And I was like, dang, I'm pretty sure I've said the exact same thing.
00:59:17 I don't disagree with that.
00:59:18 Right, and so then he goes on Sean Ryan saying that you can talk about all these things,
00:59:23 all these, the UAP, UFO phenomenon, aliens, grays, Nordics,
00:59:27 but the one thing you can't do is talk about it in spiritual terms.
00:59:32 But now you have, like, was it the rep from Florida, Paulina Luna?
00:59:36 Anna Paulina, the former stripper from Florida?
00:59:39 She was a bartender. 1.00
00:59:40 She was a stripper, or she was a bartender at a strip club, 1.00
00:59:43 and she did Handys in the back room, but never touched a pole. 1.00
00:59:46 I thought that was a boat word. 0.87
00:59:47 Never touched a pole. 0.99
00:59:48 Was that Bober? 1.00
00:59:48 Bober was doing handies at a theater.
00:59:51 That's right.
00:59:51 That's right. 0.99
00:59:51 How dare you?
00:59:52 Right.
00:59:53 So, no, so she, I can't remember what podcast, maybe it was Patrick by David, and she went
00:59:59 in there and she was saying, oh, a lot of this comes from the Book of Enoch.
01:00:02 Yeah.
01:00:02 And then she got on Rogan's and she was like, you should read the Book of Enoch.
01:00:05 Like, you should read the Bible.
01:00:06 Well, you know, we, like me and that guy, Nick, we were talking about the Book of Enoch
01:00:10 and, yeah, we saw, like, she liked the video that we were talking about Enoch.
01:00:14 So it's a situation where they're trying to control the – well, I mean, it's kind of cool, I guess.
01:00:22 Yeah, it is kind of cool.
01:00:23 But you're saying that the narrative is there.
01:00:25 There's no way they're going to be able to hide it.
01:00:27 So they're saying we need to corral it and we need to be –
01:00:29 We need to get our people to talk about it.
01:00:32 Well, like I said, I think it's similar to the alien narrative.
01:00:34 If this was an underground thing, this is a thing you get banned for talking about on social media, people are more likely to believe it.
01:00:42 Yeah.
01:00:42 but when it starts to get elevated
01:00:44 it's like now people are questioning
01:00:46 what actually is real so the thing is
01:00:48 Israel 0.99
01:00:49 really gay 0.98
01:00:52 no so absolutely though
01:00:54 that this kind of thing
01:00:56 because of social media
01:00:58 because of TikTok because of all the
01:01:00 reels that go around like people
01:01:02 are well aware about Genesis
01:01:04 6 in the book of Enoch now
01:01:06 so like what do we do with this narrative
01:01:07 because I read a book
01:01:09 uh the illuminati by jim mars years ago okay and it was based i would think i think the book starts
01:01:15 off by saying that that the elites believe that aliens are real but they believe they're the
01:01:21 anunnaki sure and so you're like so pretty close this is yeah this is like what we're talking about
01:01:26 this is the story of like the watchers this is the problem man it's like you know you come on
01:01:31 and we're like tell us about this old architecture and what happens about tell us tell us about
01:01:35 everything it's everything it's everything so as soon as you pull on this string it is the the
01:01:40 nature of reality that we're talking about and even the the anunnaki thing is like all of this 0.83
01:01:46 shit is overlapping and very close we talk about it within the context of like nine truth to sell 0.58
01:01:51 you one fundamental lie so like the anunnaki narrative has a lot of true elements about these 0.97
01:01:58 things baked into it but there's a fundamental lie and the fundamental lie i would probably say 0.95
01:02:03 in that one is they created us they genetically modified us to be an effective slave race to
01:02:09 harness gold for you know their upper atmosphere that's dwindling on their home planet or some 0.91
01:02:13 shit to protect them from the sun uh they didn't create us now if you want to go into the idea
01:02:18 that like the council that god has is is the divine council yeah the divine council is made 0.99
01:02:23 up of angels and when god said let us make them in our image that he was talking about them but
01:02:28 but i've heard a more convincing argument that he's talking he's talking to the son of man exactly
01:02:32 exactly we're talking about the trinity in a way right like why would he make us in the angels
01:02:37 well i mean it depends on if images is a complex term if you're talking about visage which is not
01:02:44 i don't think yeah not just not just the aesthetic exactly not just the aesthetic exactly so there's
01:02:49 a much more uh compelling truth there than but you can kind of co-op that and you say make them
01:02:55 in our image we are going to put our dna in there so it's like damn this thing is close 0.90
01:03:01 I like that. 0.91
01:03:01 So I think the Anunnaki story, though, I don't know that it's like a lie per se.
01:03:05 It's a different perspective.
01:03:07 The lie comes in when you have like a Zachariah Stitchin saying these tablets say, oh, they
01:03:12 came from this alien planet named the Biru, and it's all this other stuff involved in
01:03:16 it.
01:03:16 Because the truth is, nobody can read those tablets that I know.
01:03:19 But I know that Michael Heiser did a hard debunk about Zachariah Stitchin's, his translation
01:03:24 of those tablets was completely crazy.
01:03:26 another example would be like a Billy Carson
01:03:28 saying here's what this
01:03:30 mythology means and here's what
01:03:32 really means so he's like 0.99
01:03:34 one of these people who are take
01:03:36 ancient stories very similar
01:03:38 to what we were talking about earlier about ancient aliens
01:03:40 it's like the
01:03:42 stories from these people
01:03:44 are what they said
01:03:45 now your interpretation of those stories
01:03:48 has a lot to do with your world view
01:03:50 or maybe who pays you
01:03:51 so the truth is
01:03:54 like i've been listening to it's funny as i was coming over here because the christopher nolan
01:03:58 movie the odyssey's out i was like you know i've never actually read that book you know i'm aware
01:04:02 of a lot of creek mythology i've read a lot of it no i didn't because i heard a lot of people
01:04:06 saying oh here's what it doesn't include in the movie they omit almost all the gods from it and
01:04:12 like so if you if you actually read the story it's dramatically well they're interesting well
01:04:16 in the story it's like they are it's hard to remove them from the story and like and make
01:04:21 sense of it, but it makes sense, like, a Christopher Nolan's trying to ground it
01:04:25 in reality as much as he can, but that's not why we like Greek mythology. We like
01:04:29 it because it's got the gods, it's got the monsters, it's got the cryptids, it's
01:04:32 got all the other crazy stuff in there. But I'm listening to this, and it's, and
01:04:36 there's so many things that actually sound almost biblical, if you understand
01:04:40 what they're talking about. Even like the idea, so in that, in the Odyssey, Zeus
01:04:44 has this law, basically, this universal law about how you treat strangers. So
01:04:49 So, like, you know, because the story is about, like, Odysseus is trying to get back to his homeland.
01:04:53 Right.
01:04:54 And he can't do that without hospitality from strangers.
01:04:57 And if you read in the Bible, it says in the book of Hebrews that be careful, like, if you show hospitality to strangers,
01:05:03 because you could be entertaining aliens unaware, or angels, I don't know.
01:05:08 They're entertaining.
01:05:09 No, but so in this story, the gods appear to be like a beggar or a traveler.
01:05:15 Yeah.
01:05:16 And they just show up.
01:05:17 and then so if somebody doesn't treat them with kindness and hospitality well those places get
01:05:21 judged and i was like man so there's a lot of things even about the underworld underworld in
01:05:27 there and i'm like some of this stuff there's so much overlap but obviously again it's a perspective
01:05:32 thing if you because even like the greeks it's not like their gods are always good their gods
01:05:37 could be vengeful their gods could be petty yeah and they're and that's basically in the story of
01:05:42 the Odyssey how it is so if your gods are these fallen angels they can obviously lavish you all
01:05:49 kinds of things if you sacrifice them and you worship them but they're also petty so sometimes
01:05:53 they might not necessarily be good all the time so you like you wonder like how much of it is
01:05:58 actually true it's like in some ways these stories are like parasites they need the host the host is
01:06:03 the truth they have to attach on to it in order to survive the test of time let's say or be relevant
01:06:08 within the grand scheme of things so it appears upon first glance like the truth until you realize
01:06:14 it's this thing that's overlaid on top of it well yeah i mean i guess the interesting part of like
01:06:18 greek mythology is it's like so zeus is the the head pantheon the pantheon of gods but he's not
01:06:25 the creator he's not even the creator of humanity right so it is kind of almost like that did the
01:06:30 god did god allow the devil to lie a little bit or to lie but not about certain things like where
01:06:35 couldn't take credit for but so much like yeah so that some of this stuff is true from the
01:06:40 perspective of you know if you worshiped angels as zeus or poseidon or hades or whatever i mean
01:06:47 how much of the story could be true if you just knew that it wasn't a god per se it was it was
01:06:53 an angel that would take scrutinizing you'd have to actually look into it but that also speaks to
01:06:56 the legalistic nature of well the spiritual realm and here so i mean the legalities if you're bringing
01:07:01 something something to court it's going to have to be uh factual but i think that there are not i
01:07:07 think there are rules like in which you can kind of like bend them a little bit but you have to
01:07:11 present a certain amount of factual data and i think it's the same way the rules that apply to
01:07:16 us here on this physical realm so that's why they're allowed to manipulate bend here and there
01:07:22 and it's just like it really is taking it's taking the fabric of reality to a stress test
01:07:28 We're like, can I go this far?
01:07:30 The book of Job, right?
01:07:31 Can I do this to him? 0.94
01:07:32 It's like, you can do all that to him, but you can't kill him. 0.95
01:07:34 Right, yeah, exactly.
01:07:35 There's a certain line.
01:07:36 God is sovereign.
01:07:39 Yeah.
01:07:39 So the devil, the fawn, the demons,
01:07:44 they're not doing anything that God doesn't allow them to do.
01:07:46 Right.
01:07:46 But obviously, we don't know exactly what God is willing to permit.
01:07:50 But obviously, all of it comes back to the stories about his son
01:07:55 and the glorification of God.
01:07:57 Because oftentimes they end up just serving his own will.
01:07:59 So yeah, so he can use those things.
01:08:01 It's kind of like what he even says to the prophets is that when I speak in the mouth of a prophet,
01:08:06 my words are going to do what I intend them to do.
01:08:08 So either he could be like, Pharaoh, let my people go.
01:08:12 He doesn't because he wants to judge them.
01:08:15 He wants to show his power, or the people repent.
01:08:19 So regardless, if you heard the word of God and you turned away from it or you accepted it,
01:08:23 that it delivered the intent that god had established we talk about that topic a lot
01:08:30 though just like looking at prophecies and like yeah but did this prophecy just get fulfilled
01:08:35 because they knew this was in the prophecy and they were making it get fulfilled like in modern
01:08:39 day and then it's kind of like to your point it's like well it's getting fulfilled either way
01:08:43 you know can you manufacture it or does it even matter that's a question we kick around on this
01:08:47 show all the time because there's there's a very strong argument for the idea that there are forces
01:08:52 trying to manufacture prophecy and that it would be advantageous for them to make it look like a
01:08:59 thing was happening and it wasn't really happening and um you know but that question is to his point
01:09:05 about pharaoh that's that's what you're saying is like whether pharaoh repents or not like this
01:09:10 thing's gonna happen yeah like he that's why god hardened his heart and i think the interesting
01:09:14 part of that story is the fact that that moses didn't want to do it at first because he wasn't
01:09:19 good at speaking i'm never going to be able to convince this pharaoh little did he know that
01:09:23 you don't have you don't have to be good yeah yeah in fact i don't even want him to listen it
01:09:27 really puts that like the test of free we were talking a little bit about calvinism before uh
01:09:31 david got it because he was late but that's fine it puts that idea of free will to a to a test and
01:09:37 like where does that start where does it end it's it's hard to tell but it's also not for me to
01:09:41 judge pharaoh's a dude calling himself a god too i think you're taking some of your protection off
01:09:45 When you start to do that, that's like a little bit of a different deal.
01:09:48 Now this thing is allowed to happen to you.
01:09:50 I mean, this thing between God and Pharaoh is pretty unique in the scripture.
01:09:53 It's not like you have like multiple stories like this.
01:09:55 He's just saying, I'm going to harden his heart.
01:09:57 He's not going to listen.
01:09:58 Well, but he's starting off hardening his own heart.
01:10:00 Like if you follow the story, Pharaoh's hardening his own heart.
01:10:02 And that all comes down to understanding, right?
01:10:04 Like the hard heart is the heart they can't understand.
01:10:06 And so it's like not able to understand.
01:10:08 And yeah, I think in the sovereignty of God, whereas he's like predestining people.
01:10:14 Are you Calvinist now, huh?
01:10:15 No, I'm no predestination is a real thing.
01:10:18 He's looking at that time period.
01:10:20 He's saying, I need a guy who's going to say no 10 times to 10 plagues.
01:10:24 Like me or you would say no after the first plague, dude.
01:10:27 Like we say, okay, it's like something.
01:10:28 Sure.
01:10:28 Yeah.
01:10:29 A really mean guy, like a really evil, like, I don't know, Mussolini or whatever.
01:10:32 Maybe that takes three or four plagues and he finally caves in.
01:10:35 Yeah.
01:10:36 He's like, dude, I see the heart of this guy, Pharaoh.
01:10:38 I'm going to place him in this.
01:10:40 Here's where I'm putting him in the timeline in Egypt.
01:10:41 this time period he's the perfect guy because even after 10 plagues he's not going to repent 0.92
01:10:46 everybody was crazy back then because even the jews that escaped israel or the jews uh they had 0.77
01:10:52 seen all kinds of crazy things i would say well israel right but they see all these things and 0.97
01:11:00 then they still go off and worship the golden calf it's like that whole people of that era well
01:11:04 that's obviously that's the cyclical nature of prophecy though because ultimately israel 0.73
01:11:09 hardened their hearts and they crucified the messiah yeah and if they didn't
01:11:14 what would we be right we would never would have been brought in so like all things to serve as
01:11:18 will we're the jacob of jacob like jacob is the supplanter right that supplanted esau
01:11:23 and now we have supplanted israel if you will like we were we were just yeah that was like uh
01:11:28 not even a week supplanted but not replaced what we're talking about that that gets into
01:11:31 replacement theology as well which i you'll probably i would say um i don't believe i think
01:11:35 replacement is a dirty word created to make us seem like we're bad people it's fulfillment
01:11:40 right it's like this is it's been fulfilled it's all things we didn't even do it yeah right exactly
01:11:45 the whole the whole goal was a restoration for all the nations to come in so that includes
01:11:50 the people who rejected them right they still have the option today so like that's the thing
01:11:54 it's like it's not god's not a respecter of persons where he's he's showing favoritism it's
01:11:58 like it's open he created all of us and he wants all of us to come to repentance and believe on his
01:12:04 son and it was always that way though that's exactly never like here israel here's the big
01:12:08 bag of candy you guys just hoard it it was here's the big bag of candy you guys distribute it to all
01:12:13 the rest of my children like all the other nations run the ball well even through the even through 0.99
01:12:17 the i mean shown through the exodus and and god showing his awesome power is that rahab repents
01:12:23 because she knows what god just did yeah so like the whole point is like and she comes into the
01:12:27 line and then she's in the line of king david who's ultimately in the line of jesus so if you
01:12:31 can't see from that perspective like it was always everybody had access because the people who are
01:12:36 sojourners in the land were going to be treated like Nate like uh that's like like like natural
01:12:40 born citizens of Israel if they followed God feared God and lived in the land and you have both
01:12:46 because right in there right in that same same timeline you have one of the not chosen people 0.64
01:12:50 Rahab who comes to God right and then right at that same time you have the dude Achan who's one
01:12:55 of the chosen people but he he steals something when they go into battle he has the curse thing 0.83
01:13:00 and they say they're trying to find the curse thing
01:13:02 and boom they kill him and his whole bloodline 0.59
01:13:04 like all of his whole family so right there
01:13:06 in that story you have chosen
01:13:08 person destroyed
01:13:10 not chosen person finds salvation
01:13:12 so it's like yeah and you also have the story
01:13:14 of Ruth Ruth was a mobile woman
01:13:16 you know I'm rude like I said 1.00
01:13:18 that's well I mean this is like Romans one
01:13:20 topic where that God 1.00
01:13:22 eventually gives somebody over to a debased
01:13:24 mind yeah so like yeah it's not
01:13:26 like that person never had a choice
01:13:28 it's like they chose that yeah and then
01:13:30 And God uses that to fulfill his word.
01:13:33 Yeah.
01:13:34 So it's not like he chose that person for damnation from the beginning.
01:13:38 It's like this person free-willingly chose that, and then he says,
01:13:42 if you're going to go in that direction, you're going all the way.
01:13:44 By the way, I'm going to use that.
01:13:46 And then the question is, does God know that already?
01:13:50 It talks about the foreknowledge of God.
01:13:51 Yeah, the scripture talks about his foreknowledge.
01:13:53 But, I mean, I think Chuck Misler used to explain that, like,
01:13:56 you could sit on the side of a parade and you can watch the parade go by
01:14:00 and you're only seeing one thing at a time.
01:14:01 But if you're in a helicopter, you're watching the parade the whole time,
01:14:04 and God's watching the whole thing all the time.
01:14:06 He's outside of it, yeah.
01:14:07 It doesn't mean that he wound that guy in such a way to make him that way.
01:14:11 He gave him a decision-maker, and he knows what he'll do with that decision-maker.
01:14:14 I just want to say, and we don't have too much time to dive into this, actually,
01:14:17 because we have a bunch of stuff.
01:14:18 Can I tell them about the hyssop really quickly?
01:14:21 Because it's the same exact story.
01:14:24 Pastor Rick did this, and I missed it.
01:14:26 No, no, he hasn't done it yet, but it's something we were talking about
01:14:28 with the pastor of the church that we go to,
01:14:31 the hyssop, it's like the brush that's used to paint
01:14:33 the blood over the Passover doorway.
01:14:36 And it's also the material that they passed up to Jesus
01:14:40 as he drinks the last of the bitter wine
01:14:42 before he says it is finished.
01:14:44 And so it's the same material and it's resembling the same thing.
01:14:48 But something very interesting about it is that
01:14:50 the Passover blood, where the angel passes over
01:14:54 and the firstborn child isn't killed,
01:14:56 it wasn't just for the Hebrews
01:14:58 because when they left
01:15:01 it was a mixed multitude
01:15:01 so it's whoever believed 0.99
01:15:04 and put that blood over the doorway
01:15:05 and then it's followed all the way back
01:15:08 all the way forward into the New Testament
01:15:10 and this is what kind of finalizes the deal
01:15:12 Jesus drinks that
01:15:14 and then gives up his life there
01:15:15 it's finished for everybody
01:15:17 so it's like what a significant moment
01:15:19 and what a crazy call back
01:15:21 who's going to read that
01:15:23 that's why I said I love the symbolism in the movies
01:15:25 movies but i love the symbolism in the bible yeah the callbacks right you're a fan of movies
01:15:29 because it's so deep even think about this to just to finish on the predestination topic for a second
01:15:34 so in the bible it mentions i think in more than one spot that people's names were written in the
01:15:40 lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world exists right well jesus in the book of
01:15:44 revelation he's threatened to blot people's names out you know so and it's interesting also that
01:15:49 you know in john three and john that's crazy right so it's kind of like that it does still
01:15:54 seem like people have a choice because you know it says that you know jesus were not sent into the
01:15:59 world to condemn the world but to save it and he's basically said whoever is not already believed is
01:16:03 already condemned but it's like whosoever believes will be saved so i do think it's interesting like
01:16:09 that's why i always kind of get into battles with like once they've always saved people because
01:16:12 you're like he's threatened if he's threatened to blot somebody's name out of the book of life
01:16:16 it sounds like what's the point of making the threat if it's if it's not possible even in the
01:16:20 I think at the end of the book, it talks about taking away their share from the tree of life.
01:16:25 That's an intriguing topic, just because I like to always say, what would Satan gain by this doctrine?
01:16:29 Like, I always like to think about it like that.
01:16:32 It's like...
01:16:33 You shan't surely die.
01:16:34 Yeah, like, I mean, to your point, like...
01:16:36 Did God really say that?
01:16:36 If it's once saved, always saved, and you're telling people, like, yeah, just when you're, like, a teenager, you go to a youth camp, you come to the front, you say a prayer.
01:16:43 In your Bible, the date that you said the sinner's prayer.
01:16:45 Yeah, if you're good forever, you say, okay, what does Satan gain by that, dude?
01:16:48 Like, he's getting people who just the rest of their life could care less, like, what they're doing.
01:16:52 Got that fire insurance, and now they can just go out and see what the world has to offer.
01:16:56 Yeah, that's intriguing, man.
01:16:57 Yeah, a blank check.
01:16:59 We've got to bring it in for a landing because we've got a bunch of stuff to do today.
01:17:02 Okay, one last thing.
01:17:03 I want to go back to the reason.
01:17:05 So why are they trying to push the alien thing so hard, and why do they have to be physical?
01:17:10 Well, did you see that?
01:17:12 I want to say that there was a video going around.
01:17:14 Actually, this guy, I think, is really popular on Instagram.
01:17:16 I think he was like a, I'm not sure if he's a bishop in the Catholic Church, but he was a doctor.
01:17:22 And I want to say he was like a deliverance minister.
01:17:24 The guy that was saying that they manifest as grace?
01:17:25 No, he was saying that he believed that many, if not most, alien UAP encounters were demons.
01:17:34 Oh, he got excommunicated.
01:17:36 Yeah, yeah, they shut down his funding for his thing.
01:17:38 And so what he was saying is because obviously a demon wouldn't want you to know it's a demon.
01:17:43 Like, that's the last thing you would want you to know, especially if we know that we have authority in Christ.
01:17:47 Right.
01:17:47 So you can cast this thing out.
01:17:49 But if it's a physical being, can you cast out a physical being?
01:17:52 Right.
01:17:53 Well, I mean, we know that people get martyred in the name of Jesus.
01:17:56 So I don't know that necessarily rebuking a physical thing in the name of Jesus will stop your body from being harmed.
01:18:02 What do you think about the idea that they could manufacture a certain amount of actual synthetic biological entities?
01:18:08 Oh, I'm still open to that.
01:18:09 But I would say that I would go further than him.
01:18:12 I would say most, if not all, are demonic encounters.
01:18:16 Oh, yeah, yeah, I would say so.
01:18:17 And so, but I'm always leaving room for things that I don't know about. 0.80
01:18:20 I think they might show you a thing, some chimeric nightmare hybrid creature they created to kind of, you know, propagate that physicality of them. 0.58
01:18:28 Like Joseph Jordan?
01:18:30 Yes.
01:18:31 He says that it's a spiritual phenomenon masquerading as a physical phenomenon.
01:18:37 It wants you to believe very much like what you're saying, that it's a physical one.
01:18:39 And I think they've probably deployed some elements, some tangible elements to help flesh that out.
01:18:45 Yeah, but if you think about it, like if this guy is like he's like a bishop, he's like a doctor in psychology and an exorcist.
01:18:52 And you're disregarding what he says about the topic.
01:18:54 It sounds like that this guy would kind of have all the he'd have all the degrees to be able to say that.
01:19:01 Listen, I'm not some novice talking about it.
01:19:05 Yeah, like I'm like I'm somebody that you should actually pay attention to.
01:19:08 And if you think about it from like a, you know, whether you want to call Catholics Christians or not, that from a Christian perspective, he's still not even leave.
01:19:16 He's still leaving room for some of these things could absolutely be physical.
01:19:19 But he's saying what he said, many, if not most. 0.51
01:19:22 I would agree with that.
01:19:23 And so if they're pushing you so hard to believe they're all physical things or they might not all be bad.
01:19:30 Albarino strictly says this is a physical phenomenon.
01:19:32 There's no he doesn't even say there's a spiritual realm, but he got on Rogan's is my understanding.
01:19:36 I could be wrong.
01:19:36 rogan rogan he got on rogan singular and uh there's multiple rogan's and um uh chat correct
01:19:43 me if you've seen it i don't know who's actually watched it but he's he does go to the lengths to
01:19:47 stress that this is not a spiritual phenomenon that is hugely uh um you know i don't know what
01:19:55 to call that problematic's a gay word but it is a problem because if you believe that then you're 0.92
01:20:00 completely out of the realm of understanding what will actually happen so it's genius because there 0.94
01:20:05 is a segment of people that do believe that and will believe that yeah and that's his role i gotta
01:20:09 look that up i might be just talking shit about daddy here but like i said but if you go all the 0.88
01:20:13 way back you go back to the anunnaki you go back to greek mythology roman mythology egyptian 0.90
01:20:18 mythology there's evidence that gods manifest physically obviously in christianity too so it
01:20:24 doesn't preclude the idea that that aliens could be maybe a fallen angel appearing to be a physical
01:20:30 being and or they're demons but the point is throughout all of throughout all the mythologies 1.00
01:20:35 all the history of the world nobody talked about aliens and that's why ancient aliens is stupid 0.98
01:20:39 because that's not what the people were saying they're trying to interpret this as like oh you 0.97
01:20:44 primitive people you really wouldn't know even though you claim to have met one even though they
01:20:49 made the cathedrals and the megalithic structures you've never even seen a steven spielberg movie
01:20:54 how would you know what an alien was so so that's what they're saying to us today is that if this is
01:20:59 not been written about before then why is it now like why is it here now and i think it's because
01:21:05 crowley one day you know call him angels and demons today one day we're gonna call him something
01:21:11 else and so if you know that it's a physical being yeah what power does the name of jesus
01:21:17 stop a physical attack yeah i mean i guess the thing is i'm not saying don't don't try oh
01:21:21 definitely but i'm saying that maybe that's the goal is they don't even want you to attempt
01:21:25 maybe they don't want you to try whatever the name of christ so you try the name of christ
01:21:29 first if that doesn't work uh you know shotgun something like that whatever you've got in your
01:21:34 home put a hole in it well you ever see like they're awfully the van's helsing kit right like
01:21:38 you got like you got the steaks you got like holy water you got like silver bullets yeah
01:21:43 yeah you try i've heard a story now and again where somebody's like i i managed to put hands
01:21:49 on them once i came out of the stupor and touched one and they they just kind of uh like not fell 0.89
01:21:55 apart but just gave under a little bit of pressure which if you look at the grays in particular you 1.00
01:21:59 would go like yeah that's not a thing that can stand this cheap chinese crap a front kick to 1.00
01:22:02 the forehead if you watch disclosure day i'm way less worried about him as i watch them like crab 1.00
01:22:08 walk isn't it funny they they came out he came out in like a pope mobile you know what i mean
01:22:13 it was a wheelchair right yeah it was a wheelchair encased in glass uh me and my buddy were bumping
01:22:19 each other we're like they're not gonna it's not gonna be et is it that would be so that would be
01:22:23 That would have been so awesome.
01:22:25 Some people say it is this technical sequel,
01:22:27 the spiritual successor of Close Encounters of the Third Kind or something.
01:22:32 I don't really remember that movie at all.
01:22:33 I just remember like, do, do, do, do, like the music.
01:22:37 All right, so we got to get the hell out of here.
01:22:38 Before we do, though, let's tell everybody, JT, where they can find you.
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01:23:12 terrifying on your face with the chainsaw fuck that thing jt thanks for hanging out maybe i listen 0.81
01:23:17 if you're around tomorrow maybe we could do a little because this was abbreviated uh but yeah 0.99
01:23:21 And Brian's going to be in town soon, too, so there's more stuff to do.
01:23:24 Hey, man, I'm—
01:23:25 Might be something to do.
01:23:26 This is y'all's world.
01:23:26 I'm just living in it, and I'll do whatever.
01:23:28 We're going to do more.
01:23:29 Well, not—maybe not without—
01:23:30 Yeah, don't say whatever.
01:23:31 Don't say whatever.
01:23:32 Be very careful.
01:23:33 Guys, I'm a Christian man.
01:23:35 I'm obviously saying—
01:23:35 Consented.
01:23:36 He consented.
01:23:37 He consented to it.
01:23:39 You heard it.
01:23:40 Guys, we'll see you in a couple minutes.
01:23:41 Thanks for another episode, and— 0.99
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01:23:53 The end is written in the book, in the pages they foresaw. 0.77
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