Real Demon & UFO Encounters! ｜ NDS Chronicles
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Summary
In this episode of NDSN Chronicles, Topoliver and co-hosts David Lee Corbo ( ) and Jonny LoQuasto ( ) discuss the latest in the Epstein scandal, and whether or not they think Epstein is the mastermind behind it all.
Transcript
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of NDS Chronicles, a show where we read your supernatural testimony.
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If you've got a crazy story and you want to send it to us, do it at chronicles at nephilanddeathsquad.com.
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Also, chroniclesnbs at gmail. I think still works, too.
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That is the dejected Top Lobster who was running audio.
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Turn your mic up, Raven. Why don't you just turn my mic up? Maybe that'll work.
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Hold on a second. Maybe we're not even connected.
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Oh, I sound professional because I'm talking into the...
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Guys, welcome to another episode of NDS Chronicles.
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We restarted all the expensive equipment like seven times to try to figure out what the issue was.
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Those are the things that are in the technology.
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Well, you guys may be over the target on something that people don't want you to talk about.
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This is not what this episode's about, so stop it.
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I'm not going to talk about why, but we haven't.
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It is apparent to me that this drop is so unlikely that Epstein would be the mastermind
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It's like, so when did the Epstein files first become a thing?
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Like, as soon as I say it and you guys are like, yeah, Matt, you just don't get it.
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I don't even get to say my point anymore before you say I don't get it.
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My point was just that, like, so this was like, when did he get hung?
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Like, what was everybody willing to accept five years ago?
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How long did we just, like, let this thing unfold and go on?
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Five years ago, nobody was going to talk about aliens.
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Six years ago is about the time frame where Hillary Clinton starts coming up in this whole
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And then all of a sudden, her and John Podesta, who's also associated with the whole thing,
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I'm just saying, we're way further down the road now.
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This video called documentary called Disclosure.
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And then, boom, the Epstein files have aliens in it now.
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So you're telling me, like, there's a government that created this whole file about this guy
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called Epstein, and that same government is the ones, like, releasing it to the masses
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I'm just saying, like, all that just sounds crazy.
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What you don't understand is that there's good guys and there's bad guys, okay?
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Which pedophile do you want to be on the side of?
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Like, you guys bring me these stories, and then we talk about this side of the story or that side
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I'm always saying, like, well, who's feeding us the story?
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Two years ago, nobody came in the coffee shop talking about Jews.
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If he was on the east coast of Florida in Boca, they'd be here to come out.
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I'm saying, two years ago, boom, it skyrockets.
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Who's feeding the narrative that all of a sudden that's this big thing that everybody's talking
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That's a long-winded version of the observation I just made.
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I have no clue what's happening unless you guys send it to me.
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Dude, I think a coffee shop is a very good way to gauge society.
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I've been saying that it's not going to really hit the mainstream yet.
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The way I look at it is, yeah, the DOJ releases these files.
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I'm saying certainly there's some percentage of this that is not real,
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But I do think that the point is for people like us to pick up this narrative,
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I was saying, like, it sounded like I was in a big room.
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No, it doesn't sound like you're in a big room.
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And guys like us, shows like ours are meant to pick this apart
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The most compelling elements of this DOJ drop are going to be refined by us.
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And then the narrative will kind of reveal itself through our scrutiny
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and other shows like ours and bigger ones, smaller ones, all that.
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And then eventually that version of events will get passed on to the general public.
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Conspiracy theorists get a sense of vindication.
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So is it possible then that it took five years to just kind of see
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what the podcasters did with all the information,
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and just like a five-year massage of the details before they're like,
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The way I've been looking at it is I was saying,
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like you're going to see this QAnon shit come to pass.
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but it'll happen when the next scene is prepared.
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And that'll come to a head when they're ready for whatever the next scene is.
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this time I imagine it's going to be something of a worldwide event.
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They've now said that child molestation is punishable by death.
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They're also making it illegal to invest in any companies in Israel.
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The complete failure of any sort of, what would you call it?
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Trust in institutions, government institutions, media institutions,
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This is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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Well, maybe like if the economy collapsed tomorrow,
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there's nobody in the economic world that like studies that,
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Like all of those people are always saying that.
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You alluded to something on one of your shows about alien disclosure
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Like the economy kind of is the lifeblood of everything.
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I think it's a full collapse of like the world economy
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what Alex Jones was screaming about for all those.
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I see a trend that's not usual in what it's doing.
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Yeah, this is the same time you guys were saying.
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I don't think there's as much as people think there is.
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But mostly because of the Rupert Sheldrake thing
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Like, I just want to hear the rest of the story.
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I don't know if she's going to allude to this or not,
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I didn't ask God for anything much in the past.
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I don't like how good chat GPT is at making demons.
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I didn't ask God for much of anything in the past.
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stuff was made of why are you looking at the tv i also learned of something called kabbalah
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kabbalah this is the drinks you got out there this is the stuff that laura luma does this is why you
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were you were getting everybody blacked up can you read the story yeah i'm not doing any more of
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these red flag comments that you guys try to suck i don't even know what that means red flag
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comments there's like are you even listening that's not cool man that's a really good one it's not
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it's not cool man nobody thinks that's funny unless you're like seven
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okay all right this isn't nice that's good what's wrong with you can you read the story you want me to
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you just act like a grown up if it's 13 pages i can i'll read some you want me there's no way
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we're doing 13 pages i'm down if you want all right i feel like you want to oh she's a big
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easy oh my god this is why you scare me because you're like a long baby you really are a long baby
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okay uh when i was about 10 or 11 i started getting into physics i wanted to know what stuff
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was made of i also learned about something called kabbalah connect with the chat which is
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don't look at the you got to think about the story all right i'm listening kabbalah is the
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drinks that you got outside in the freezer um after my parents split i grew
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an unhealthy obsession with my dad he was a ladies man he was intelligent he was fun he was
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cultured i wanted to be just like him that's nice right i wish my son said all that cool
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shit about me except for the ladies man thing although i would like to think that my my wife
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thinks i'm a ladies man call you a ladies man is awkward yeah awkward maybe a weird thing to say
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and alchemy workings i don't know if i asked him first or if he decided to initiate me on his own
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but he put me in a coffin and he proceeded to no that didn't happen i'm just playing
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but around this time in my life he started teaching me different types of meditation
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okay so this dude this family line has brought this into this yes this is this man has brought
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iniquity oh this was happening in the house and then one day my dad picked up some magic later on
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they were asking for this yeah okay it's interesting too because parents split so there's a divorce and
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there's kabbalah and now you're creating generational iniquity not good homeboy now you're creating
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this is not good um so i could make minor aches and pains go away i could fall asleep and wake up at
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the snap of a finger i could control my dreams the dreams became more lucid and i began testing out
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astral projection you hear that nancy cut it out when i first learned to ask to project i was told to
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find a medium i was told to find a medium between falling asleep and waking myself up after finding
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this mental state i envisioned my body as if it were hovering over myself looking down from here i could
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turn my view and move around as i pleased i could feel myself i could feel the ground i don't like this
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i could feel the walls and the doors the walls he's reading it like me now he hates when i read
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it like that but now he's doing it but i could also pass through them if i wanted to
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i would usually float up my body or float up from my body until i passed through the ceiling
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and out of the roof and out of the house from there i'd float down the street i'd walk around the block
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jeez i always wanted to oh i i was always too scared to travel far i never saw any other people
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or entities but i always felt like i was being watched i'd be up oh that's interesting nancy
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actually said that she was like uh and those super secret things that she told me and i wasn't supposed
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to tell anybody else she said she's on the show why didn't you just nancy tell us about the people that
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watch what you bitch tell us about the people that watch i don't know can you tell us about the astral
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realm no all right fine well nancy told me one time she said people watch there's the watchers and
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then there's the doers well the ones that watch also do but oh a little more to the story come on
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nancy elaborate a little bit nope come on none of us know anything about that world or like you
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could really help us out fine nancy keep your secrets man she won't show us our house sometimes
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it would look like there were shadows watching me from the houses but i can't confirm that maybe i was
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just a freaked out kid i like that i kind of like that too that one looks cool all right here we go the
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red desert and fucko the clown what what all right this is the last one we got to wrap wait wait so
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that's the end of that one where he was just like floating around my dad figured out how to float
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around he had to do some shit dude i wonder where this story ends bro it doesn't end it
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no i know but ultimately nephilim death squad the red desert and oh this is definitely a guy who's like
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an nds fan yeah or else i wouldn't have sent it to us imagine imagine like asking the last two
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submissions to not don't associate with these people like what yeah have you read their submissions
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do you know how many of these people there are you know how many of these people need christ
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they're all our audience this one is super crazy it's crazy around the same time that i began
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experimenting some would say it's like david and his story i mean i got it right here but psalms
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psalms is in one samuel that's where like all the outcasts joined themselves to david
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it this is exactly what it's what's happening you want me to read it yeah he's going to read
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the bible okay well i don't care you can finish the story okay i'm gonna keep going and you can
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interrupt me when you want to interrupt me you know i don't want to um i want to respect you
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that's what friends do what was i talking about here okay look at it with the raven beak so around
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the same time that i began experimenting with the limits of my mind i came up with a game that i used
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to play with my cousins called hide the pickle nope that i used to play with my cousins and the
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neighborhood kids i would close my eyes and go hide the pickle dude stop nobody likes that i would close
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my eyes and go somewhere else a place in my mind that looked like a red desert where multiple entities
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would either control my body to entertain everyone or they would show me where hidden treasures were
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that's interesting because a lot of entities are like uh the thing like i don't know if you ever
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heard of like yogs and the 13 globes um but it's basically like a lovecraftian thing that people
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speculate is actually a real thing one of their names i think is um umbra which is the same entity as
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rain man supposedly that that all these rappers are dealing with anywho some of them have like the 13
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globes i think are just 13 demons and uh some of them are like they're they're useful for for
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certain things umbra or umbrella or i mean i'm sorry uh uh rain man would be good for fame and
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money and i think also women there are other ones that are good for like revealing hidden treasures to
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you things that are lost but can be found through them so that that's an interesting thing uh but i'll
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put a pin in it and you can you can you can read go ahead okay that's the end no no it's not the end
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this okay well this is what you guys are like actually stop it so this is after david uh i'm
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actually going to get into the story in the next uh straight bible but this is where david has to
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pretend that he's gone mad like he he's captured it's not captured but he goes into this town he's
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been running from saul he's just looking for a place to hide so he pretends he's gone mad because
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this is a nation where he's killed a ton of their soldiers already oh so he's pretending he's gone mad and
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lost his mind and it said oh he's just faking it dude you're gonna love this story next week but
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well that's crap you never listen to straight bible that's right um that's not true but uh
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i haven't listened in a while so david departed from there and escaped to the cave adulem and when
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his brethren and all his father's house heard it they went down there to him so he's hiding out in
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this cave he's trying to get away from saul he's just trying to figure out what's he gonna do
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his family comes there like david you good man how's it going and everyone that was in distress
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and everyone that was in debt and everyone that was discontented gathered themselves unto him
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hold on and he became a captain over them and they were with him about 400 men this is just the
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beginning of like all of the outcasts from society like came and gathered to david it was like the
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oakland raiders in the 70s like john madden was like i don't care if you're on coke i don't care
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if you're on steroids like i don't care what all your guys problems are you can come to oakland as
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long as you can play football hell yeah we're gonna win you know what i'm saying like my dad
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always told me the raiders are like that yeah you don't like it do you i don't like that one that
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one's not no it's nasty yeah mine were way worse that's like a nasty yeah they're mad at you that
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you don't listen to straight bible but i don't blame you dude i get it like as soon as we get away
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from each other we all need a break i get it it's not like i watch your shows at home so the bottom
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line is there was all these outcasts that came and joined them they were just like they knew they
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didn't fit into society and there was a place where they gathered and so
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wow that looks just like me got you my boy all right damn nancy you're fired that's funny
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all right come on finish the story so that's all i'm saying is just that uh what are you saying
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that that's what nephilim death squad is like and like people don't get it they're trying to like
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trash you and say bad things yeah they're like whatever but it's like this gathering place for
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all those have kind of been kicked out of society man or maybe or maybe even kicked out of the popular
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podcast group because from what i'm understanding where you guys talk about there's like the popular
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podcast but then like say that below that no but like below that there's like all this gang of
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podcasters that are just coming from the heart they're just real ones and it's like all those
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real ones are kind of like gathering now that's what he told us yesterday he was like he's like
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he offered me he basically offered me to be in the cool crew and and then he threatened me to kick me
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out but they already kicked me out yeah they gonna kick me out more you know what i'm saying like
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that's like the people who gather around david dude and then watch the story as david builds with with
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that like he builds with that anyway i just thought yeah you guys kind of remind me of that i'm gonna
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continue okay go ahead uh they would show me where hidden treasures were i found a lot of money
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you're reading like me now after you mocked me for it i love this i think you're kind of right
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those are david's mighty men right don't touch it uh well his mighty man was only like 33 dudes it
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ended up 33 interesting i mean he had three that were like savages badasses yeah one that defended
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a bean field yeah one that defeated a lion in the snow and it hit there's a there's a bunch of stories
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about these guys but the mighty men were very specific you have a lion-faced dude of moeb lion
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lion-headed man in moeb well this is a different story it's a i'm not saying that they didn't do that
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too i'm just saying there's one story of one of the main three that was in the slate of tiger in
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a pit in the snow something to that extent which is rad but i don't mean to keep interrupting okay
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this is a very nice oh that's right yeah how come none of mine could be cool dude well all his are
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cool that is a good aesthetic though um this reminds me of when schizophrenic people find things because
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their voices tell them he goes i found a wad of money stuffed in a mcdonald's cup this way
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mm-hmm i found a buried gun i found a perfectly fine dirt bike abandoned in the woods wait this
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entity was guiding him like on a treasure hunt yeah that's nobody's ever said that before that
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happens it's a common thing in schizophrenics yeah this is not surprising at all yeah yeah
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they'll show him where like drugs are and has that happened to you matt you ever been told to
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find some shit you ever find whoops is that no when i was a little kid i did always love a good
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treasure oh dude now i'm like racking my brain now that i hear these crazy stories i'm like yeah
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hey you want to go on a treasure hunt why do you think why do you think people on meth are
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why'd you make that noise they're always digging and they're seeing holes in their arms trying to
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find shit you don't want to go on a treasure hunt no i don't want to do that now i do that every morning
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4 45. they can do it on zoom if you want to call 4 45. all right i'm not up i don't remember these
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entities talking to me but i can't rule out mine speak i just remember the visuals of these shadow people
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uh downloading different locations into my head then i'd go there in real life and i'd find something
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surprising every time sounds like random nautica too i also saw a lanky big-headed large-eared bible
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thumping food forest inhabiting brown water merchant no way none of that's real dude i also saw a lanky
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big-headed shadow man sorry i misread that uh in these red desert trances but he kept his distance
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and he just stood there again sometimes there was a long shadow cast on the ground i was helpless during
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these experiences i couldn't decide what went on there i only had power over going there that's
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interesting and leaving there that kind of scared me so i didn't do it often whatever it was it was
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much different than astral projection and lucid dreaming that's fascinating so this dude was like
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what was more scary going to the red desert lands and having the shadow people
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blap his brain with location so he can get goodies this is very weird it's very i think we should we
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should stop it here well it's not over yet but it's gotta be over this story we'll finish at this
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story and then we'll go to the next one um also 10 pages later i didn't have the language for it at
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the time but i think i was channeling yeah probably i had the language for it
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what's that dude i don't like that huge nose ring that's dumb only faggots have nose rings
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i like goes on watching more and more man goes on watching is the man yeah
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very average size ears everybody knows that like literally everybody knows that
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this is the best show ever um i think i was channeling i did this a few different
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with a few different entities on separate occasions one entity damn in particular became a regular
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he would come inside me it was it came off as a timid yet curious and playful child there was also
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an angry man that would come inside me and a sad woman who would come inside me some kind of military
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or policeman that would come inside me and some kind of animalistic tribal entity that would come inside me
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and it's hard to read it's hard to hear they want to know the chat wants to know um how's he
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how's he spelling it so that's a lot of cum and then of course the child entity oh as i got older
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and my friend group changed i stopped doing these trances to myself i was still having lucid dreams
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playing with astral projection and seeing the same long shadow man but i believe at least one of these
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things i was channeling stuck around crying when i started hitting my teenage years i had spontaneous
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moments where i would do ridiculous things break things steal things hurt people hurt myself say
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things i shouldn't it's people hurt people hurt people hurt people amen it seems normal for a
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preteen going through puberty but i would black out on these situations and have no memory of it
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my friends would come in me my friends would encourage it is what he says
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so so it became an alter ego that i heavily leaned into an alter ego that we named fucko the clown
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whoa there's one more paragraph uh i remember one time in particular some kids 16 or 17 old enough
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to drive tried to get me to steal a keg from a bar i was sitting in the car staring at the bar
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trying to build up the guts to do this and trying to plan which door or window to go through when i
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finally opened the car door i leaned out but the guy next to me immediately pulled me back in
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i realized the car was suddenly moving and i had already stolen three kegs i blacked out the whole thing
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later in my life i was diagnosed with depression and multiple personality disorder and the psychiatrist
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came in me that last part was that last part wasn't in there this is fascinating um yeah we're
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only at page six of 13 so we'll have to pick this up uh tomorrow not tomorrow i don't know the next
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time we do fucking chronicles which is like who the hell knows i know and i wish you know if matt
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wasn't here we would have probably gotten oh we would have gotten through this is no way he just
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couldn't it's very distracting he can't lock in the images that he kept pulling up of himself well
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the good news is the raven wanted me on the show today it meant a lot to me matt if i if you had to
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give like a a rating of how you feel about how today went oh yeah to go from like a rating from
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like light spirit medium spirit heavy spirit are you are you encouraged like because we just did a
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show you did a show with the boys and you're like yeah yeah we're chilling like how do you feel
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you love the boys you love the boys you love the boys this is like a 10 out of 10 dude
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i hate to say this yeah yeah i hate to say you don't even know what i'm gonna say
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i hate to say this but like some of the chronicles ones is just like
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no it's because they're not that cool it's just like these ones are very intriguing
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crushing look the next one was trash the first one was great too bro the first one was like trash
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bag man should we should we end it or do we we got to end it but i'm just saying
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actually when they're good like this it's super intriguing dude dude i'm gonna run through trash
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bag man because it's really short wait what oh and sometimes i gotta be honest i gotta be honest
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because just because you asked like if i wasn't working today i mean i worked on the farm all
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morning i got that chainsaw yeah thanks shout out to the chat things went great with the chainsaw yeah
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and uh you know i come in i'm ready to go everything's popping i haven't been to the gym yet then
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you're like popping and ready to do a show if i come on and do a show at four o'clock i've been
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working all day i'm a little nasty you're a little nasty whiny a little just kind of like
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oh man it's the end of the day trash bag man whiny's a good word to use around the year 2000
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i was 12 or 13 years old my cousin came in me and we were alone in the house he was a smooth
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gangster type guy and the last person i'd ever expect to talk about ghosts or any woo woo stuff
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unless he was trolling we were sitting in the living room in the middle of the day he was sitting next
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to me on the couch to my left then to his left and behind him like seven o'clock it's very specific
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uh was a doorway into the kitchen and to our direct left nine o'clock was a hallway envision that nine
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o'clock not three top nine quit watching the chat stop watching the chat i'm trying to figure it out
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okay left yeah i was watching tv and my cousin was on his laptop it seemed like we both saw something in
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the left corner of our eyes simultaneously because we both turned our heads at the exact same time
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coming out of the kitchen doorway in broad daylight only an arm's length away was a big burly trash bag
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you didn't say that bro i'm so sorry this was so crazy this is the same guy that started this
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with that three years old and a bike yeah people hanging in the tree that's all the same guy when
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when people have an experience their life is usually dotted with experiences that's exactly
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what i told my cousin my cousin used to see dead people in the streets she lived the one that lived
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in seagate that's crazy the one that i had just new york though right it's just no it's because she
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grew up just actual dead people in the street grew up in a house that was like literally haunted
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and i don't know either her mother was talking to these entities and who knows what happened one
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thing leads to another she's out in the street seeing these things and like she just blapped up
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her entire life was that the the chick that i talked to yep yeah yeah she's she's she's got some
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she had attached to her um okay so coming out of the kitchen only in arm's length away in broad
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daylight is a big burly trash man it wasn't super tall but it was super wide super wide it pretty much
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took up the whole space of the door frame vertically and horizontally well that's decently tall maybe
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six feet tall four feet wide damn nephilim nephilim genetics uh it had noticeable arms and legs
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it was moving its limbs as it walked it either looked like a hunchback or it just had a huge back
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and shoulders with no neck kind of like a juggernaut from x-men the fuck man it was such a deep dark black
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it almost looked like i could see into it as if the darkness had depth to it that sounds just like
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homeboy's story that we talked to the other day with the muscular evil man yeah shout out dylan dylan um
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where are we at here boom boom as if the darkness had depth to it this black mass also had a little
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shine to it that's interesting because he said it was like oil yep i've never seen anything like it
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so it's hard to make a comparison but my cousin and i came to the conclusion that it kind of looked
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like a trash bag so we called him trash bag man that's a story that totally betrays like what the
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hell you saw trash bag man almost seems comedic especially when he comes in you but you're describing
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something that is you know it's pretty horrifying as it came through the doorway it immediately turned
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left and walked down the hallway my cousin and i just stared at it frozen in our seats we just watched
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it move down the hall walk through the closed door at the end of the hall and vanish this thing never
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acknowledged us the whole encounter probably took less than 30 seconds and we never talked about it
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again what the fuck many such cases what the beautiful but i will say the language on this episode
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is a bit intense unbecoming for christian men many such cases yes
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they bred with daughters of men and they will do it again the end is written in the book in the pages they