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00:01:58.320 welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of nephilim death squad i am david lee

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00:03:11.200 we have jonathan from baptist bias with us and uh hold on one second i'm having like some lag here

00:03:17.060 yeah as soon as we went to go start the show the internet decided that it was going to take

00:03:20.620 a crap all right there we go jonathan jonathan's with us here we go great man um so we had a

00:03:27.940 discussion on twitter i realized that i was being nasty that's why they call me mr nasty nasty let me

00:03:34.200 see if he'd like to have a discussion with me and here you are so thank you for uh coming on the show

00:03:39.380 uh tell the people a little bit about yourself where they could find you what you do

00:03:43.760 yeah thanks for having me on the show uh i host a podcast called the baptist bias i pastor a church

00:03:49.460 in the dallas fort worth area steadfast baptist church uh we've been kind of infamous for our

00:03:55.560 stances against you know fags and uh lots of different issues we've been protested a lot and so

00:04:01.220 uh at the end of the day you know uh really just pastoring is my my most important gig um i've been

00:04:07.620 pastoring for about seven years and uh we have a kind of about a two two three hundred person

00:04:12.700 congregation we do a lot of missions we go out and preach the gospel but really i like to talk

00:04:17.740 about things that are controversial so you know you're definitely uh nasty but it's fine i can

00:04:22.960 take it so i appreciate the conversation i think that's what that's what maybe the hard f out of

00:04:28.100 the gate dude yeah yeah usually like people like i'll be nasty just to be nasty and see what they do

00:04:32.640 and like the way you were responding to me i was like i kind of like this guy

00:04:35.500 he seems nasty too man all right so so what you do does it end up being like uh you know my the most

00:04:44.740 memorable thing that i have associated with that sort of preaching is like westboro baptist church

00:04:50.340 remember how they were always getting like this is i don't know if they're still doing the thing but

00:04:53.700 they were they were constantly getting protested against or they would be you know at some sort of

00:04:59.120 lgbtq event and they would be preaching the gospel and they'd be standing against you know what was

00:05:04.340 word sin um and pride you know in that sin is it are you doing that stuff well i think they're

00:05:14.440 different they're like a calvinist cult they're like all just like one family they're a bunch of

00:05:18.180 lawyers they go to like lgbt events specifically and i think they they protested a uh death of like

00:05:24.080 a faggot at a funeral like they went to his funeral and they just protested it and then they got a lot of

00:05:28.780 publicity from it but basically they just provoke people they went to like a i think maybe an islamic

00:05:34.320 conference one time too and provoked them they're just hoping that someone will hit them punch them

00:05:37.860 throw stuff at them and then they just sue them so like it's basically just an attempt to get

00:05:41.260 people to sue them i really just got popular for just my sermons going viral so just getting up and

00:05:46.760 saying i think it was several years ago in florida there was like a gay pride parade and a sodomite

00:05:52.200 some fag just like actually ran over another one and so like i preached and said hey that was a good

00:05:56.680 thing we i hope we can have more accidents like that and so like that caused us like a lot of heat

00:06:01.260 and we got like a lot of protests and we were evicted we've had protests for like three years

00:06:06.160 straight i made a couple movies about it so we we have a movie called the sodomite deception you can

00:06:10.740 watch it for free online sodomitedeception.com or lgbt terrorists it's another free movie that we put

00:06:16.020 out there just kind of documenting our issue i didn't know that those guys were lawyers that's a

00:06:21.420 that's a kind of a clever spot to be and you go out you antagonize you wait for something to happen

00:06:26.420 and then it's like you don't have to lawyer up you just got to call your cousins that's a

00:06:30.700 red phelps huh all right interesting so so what was the i'm unaware or i didn't see it unfold on

00:06:38.280 twitter but what was the the center before we before we get into i feel like maybe maybe we'll

00:06:43.120 talk a little bit about this how does that uh in your in your ministry talking about this stuff

00:06:49.480 making those kind of documentaries be in this way on twitter how does it uh translate to people coming

00:06:54.780 to your church like what kind of people are coming are they actively coming there because of what

00:06:58.760 you're saying like they're seeking you out what's that like i mean we've got some visitors and we've

00:07:05.180 had some new members um that found out or aware of us because of some of the protests some of the

00:07:09.820 heat that we got but i would say that most of the people are coming because of other issues they want

00:07:14.720 to come to a church that goes soul winning or preaches the gospel or is king james only but

00:07:18.240 um really it's just it's kind of an unpopular stance to say the least i'm sure we lost a lot of

00:07:23.100 people because of it as well so really it doesn't necessarily help us from like membership or

00:07:28.520 anything like that but to me just it's an important issue to just at least say what the bible says

00:07:32.840 and you know to try to kind of like bring back the pendulum a little bit swing it back into the right

00:07:38.480 direction um even if everybody doesn't come our way plus we're going to be a shield because even if

00:07:43.300 you look in like europe in some of these countries i saw like a pastor is like a catholic or something he

00:07:48.600 just got up and said like homosexual is a sin and they got fired attacked and all these people hated

00:07:52.520 them just because he's the most you know vocal person in their area on that issue even though

00:07:57.740 he's not saying what i'm saying so whoever's the most vocal is going to get the attention i'm just

00:08:02.340 willing to say you know what the bible literally says like leviticus 2013 says that they should be put

00:08:06.400 to death so you know that's my stance it's always been my stance you know the the pendulum has swung

00:08:13.760 in a wild way i was living in a town only a few months ago and there was a church and you know

00:08:18.720 the church would fly the pride flag outside uh and you know there's no shortage of these pastors or

00:08:24.540 preachers that are you know there's famously a lesbian one i think that's kind of what nick fuentes was

00:08:29.340 hinting at when he was talking about this idea of you know we don't have to get into this but this

00:08:33.700 idea of not interpreting the bible for yourself or not reading the bible for yourself but instead

00:08:38.560 appealing to church elders or you know authority on the matter um because it bears fruit sometimes

00:08:45.460 like some sort of um lgbtq congregation or pastor or some shit like that so i mean is that that's kind

00:08:53.760 of what you're swinging well i heard that take i i think that's a terrible take because here's the

00:08:58.260 thing no one's going to read the bible and then think hey we should have faggot pastors like it's going

00:09:02.700 to be the exact opposite because i mean the bible's saying that they should be put to death the bible

00:09:06.360 says it's an abomination the bible says that they're reprobate like there's no way you're going

00:09:10.720 to read the bible and then think hey we should bring in the lesbian to be the united methodist

00:09:15.460 pastor or minister or something like that like that that's just nonsense so i totally disagree with

00:09:20.600 his opinion on that particular you know understanding of should the the congregation read the bible or

00:09:26.580 should it be limited to the catholic priest who's going to lock us into the dark ages again for another

00:09:31.200 500 years or something right right so but what you're making an effort to do is to if if the

00:09:38.480 pendulum has indeed swung that far where now you have that sort of uh you know those sorts of churches

00:09:44.180 popping up or um you know pastors priests things of that nature then you're trying to go in the

00:09:50.460 opposite direction as hard as you can and again i'm not sure i'm not trying to do something the bible's

00:09:55.340 not saying you know i don't want to go like beyond what the bible actually teaches but yeah i'm willing

00:10:00.380 to say something that's extremely controversial even if not everybody's going to agree with it

00:10:04.780 just because that's what's true and that's what's right so i think by people being vocal and and making

00:10:10.080 a big deal about it it can help to normalize people because we've been being radicalized to the far left

00:10:16.800 and these democrat views and just just crazy nonsense in our society and we need some people to kind of

00:10:22.720 bring us back to some sense of normalcy even if it's not going to be the most popular opinion

00:10:27.060 it it leads to like a i guess a little bit more of an important question of like how are you going

00:10:33.840 to get it done who's going to do it um and this idea of christian nationalism that is like uh i guess

00:10:40.720 it's peaking its head i'm watching it i'm watching it come from the from the death of charlie kirk there's

00:10:45.560 a big movement now and it's going to be guided and and pushed in whichever direction whoever can grab

00:10:51.500 the power so we're looking at a guy like nick fuentes but more recently uh joel webin interviewed

00:10:56.460 him and i see that you have some uh opinions on calvinism it's a it's not really a denomination

00:11:03.000 i know much about i know a little bit about their predetermination i've read a little bit of calvin

00:11:08.000 i agreed with some of it um what do you think about that like which way this number one this nation

00:11:14.100 is headed towards some sort of christian nationalism where they could possibly do what you're saying

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00:12:08.360 how that goes out like yeah i usually know who they are and it's not a different it's a different

00:12:13.360 kind of day not even talking about the jays i'm talking about whoever will come in control i don't

00:12:17.740 know who that is somebody's going to grab the ball grab the ring and and run with it and it's probably

00:12:22.300 going to be the person that we don't want um so i guess yeah the question is like uh how do you feel

00:12:30.700 about this this like calvinism and uh it seems like it's being it's going to be tied in with whatever

00:12:37.380 kind of weird catholicism that nick fuentes is pushing because that's like that's what's leading

00:12:41.520 this country right now i i'm not sure if catholicism and calvinism are really best buds or not uh i mean

00:12:49.580 at the end of the day you know if you look at church history and you look in the european continent

00:12:54.160 the catholic church was just devastating to to christians i mean the dark ages was a really bad time in

00:13:01.620 history um when we look at calvinism specifically that's coming out of the protestant reformation so this

00:13:06.680 is kind of like you said you brought up john calvin specifically um calvinism is not really a

00:13:13.040 denomination it kind of spans across a couple different denominations you have the reform

00:13:18.500 baptists you have presbyterians um and then you have you know just some just non-the-non bible

00:13:23.880 churches that also adhere to the calvinist ideas ideas essentially i debated the calvinists recently

00:13:29.700 on our show um there's definitely different versions of calvinism as well i've never spoke with

00:13:34.340 joe webin probably would i'd be willing to just see what he has to say but calvinism is just kind

00:13:38.820 of a dumb idea that's just antithetical to the bible it just says some people are damned before

00:13:44.260 the world and and saved before the world based on nothing and it just kind of makes god this puppet

00:13:50.080 master in an ultimate sense and i just totally reject it it's another one of those things like you

00:13:56.400 said who would read the bible and think that we're just going to put homosexuals in charge of the

00:13:59.860 church calvinism is another one of those things where you're like wait you so you read a bible and

00:14:04.120 your conclusion was just that like it was all duck duck goose before the beginning of time like that

00:14:08.680 was your conclusion from reading the bible i don't see how you got that yeah just it appeals to the

00:14:14.080 prideful and it appeals to the lazy it's and really it's kind of like a pseudo intellectual uh

00:14:19.560 very much viewpoint so it's basically like hey we're just better than these other people

00:14:24.840 and the reason why is because god quote elected us and so they kind of just look down on other people

00:14:30.700 and it just kind of sucks in a bunch of people that want to read anything but the bible so they

00:14:36.180 want to read calvin they want to read church fathers um if you read the bible i mean it's really clear

00:14:40.560 that jesus christ is the savior of all men uh the bible clearly says for god so loved the world and

00:14:45.900 anytime you you debate a calvinist on these they say oh when it says word world there it just means

00:14:50.220 different kinds of people and it just means some people and you're just thinking like

00:14:53.680 no one would come to this conclusion so they just have to kind of read that into the text

00:14:58.160 and uh you know i don't i don't think calvinists are going to really take over the country or the

00:15:02.440 world because historically calvinists have never been that popular calvinists have never been

00:15:07.500 very effective because their messaging is just just anti-reality i mean they're just denying clear

00:15:14.180 words on the page catholics do have a lot of power historically and they have in the past and

00:15:18.880 who knows what they could accomplish but like you said i don't like whoever's going to take

00:15:23.380 over this nation right now so that's why i try to you know throw my hat in the ring at least

00:15:27.320 and bring the baptist bias with me and try to influence people because if you look historically

00:15:31.760 our country was built on biblical principles it was built on the king james bible uh you know our laws

00:15:37.860 were based on the bible specifically and if we're going to have any sense of revival we need

00:15:44.120 people to get back on the king james bible having biblical principles being saved and and wanting

00:15:49.260 to do what the bible said i think that's that's why my documentary sodomite deception is actually

00:15:53.360 really important because it illustrates the history on that subject and and i think a lot of people are

00:15:58.000 ignorant of where we used to be it's a hard thing because right now i'm watching you know there is some

00:16:05.080 sort of revival um and where those people are going to end up is yet to be determined but i see a lot

00:16:11.380 of people are glomming on to christianity whatever denomination they find who knows maybe it's just

00:16:18.760 what's next to them or what their relatives are doing or what you know an influencer that they're

00:16:22.980 following is is uh subscribed to but a lot of them are doing it out of objection to the previous

00:16:31.420 sort of uh status quo so whether that status quo is political or cultural meaning just kind of the

00:16:38.740 left right and i've been wondering lately if it's such a great thing for people to i think it's

00:16:45.760 fantastic because whatever your walk is everybody's walk is different and there's all kinds of different

00:16:50.420 paths that people take and ultimately lead them to jesus christ and you know we all end up in the same

00:16:55.480 place ideally um that's not you know true for everybody but there's all kinds of strange paths that

00:17:01.560 take people to christ um i just wonder if you set out to grab onto christianity purely out of rebellion

00:17:10.860 against the previous status quo or hatred for the other side or whatever um is that the same as being

00:17:17.640 after the heart of god and trying to develop a relationship and pursue jesus christ and and pick

00:17:22.640 up your cross and carry it i mean it's great if it leads there it's just fascinating that right now

00:17:27.720 this big revival that we're seeing seems to be birthed almost solely out of just disdain for the

00:17:32.640 other side and i don't know what do you think about that is that a good starting place um or or is this

00:17:39.840 maybe not quite a revival yeah i mean i think that what you said is important and i think that a lot of

00:17:46.580 people are seeking i think that covid shook a lot of people to their core i think the the left and the

00:17:53.240 the crazy stuff they've been doing cause people to get mad i think that the charlie kirk you know

00:17:58.400 assassination has woken up a lot of people to say like things are really rough and you know you've

00:18:03.400 had things like the truther movement you've had a lot of censorship you've got a lot of things just

00:18:07.100 kind of challenging people and i think that a lot of the young people are kind of disillusioned

00:18:11.800 with their parents with their churches that maybe they had some association with especially them

00:18:17.300 being like rabidly pro-zionist and we see the younger generations are like uh i don't think that

00:18:22.360 that's legit um so you know a lot of them are kind of just like where do i go and i think that's why

00:18:28.140 you see people like nick fuentes and others rising to power a lot of people uh resonate with some of

00:18:33.120 his messaging and i think a lot of people are questioning looking to things like catholicism

00:18:37.700 looking to orthodox looking to some of these other denominations that have kind of historically at

00:18:43.800 least been consistent the problem is is there's a reason why the protestant reformation happened there's

00:18:48.840 a reason why america was not built as a catholic nation and i think some of that history has been

00:18:53.720 lost and i think you know the problem is that good people aren't entering into the the gladiator

00:19:00.800 stadium they're not entering into the arena and they're not really fighting and you know that's

00:19:04.880 why i try to you know get out there reach people because i think there's a lot of people up for grabs

00:19:10.500 right now and you know hopefully you know the more truth that we can put out there we can get more

00:19:15.780 people in you know saved into a good church serving god like you said at the at the next level

00:19:21.560 right not just being saved but actually dedicating themselves to wanting to be a good christian so

00:19:26.320 i think that it's really important to get out there and i think a lot of people are up for play right now

00:19:30.800 i think more people have been up for play right now than ever before i think in times past it was a lot

00:19:35.860 harder to switch people to different denominations or getting involved in church or questioning kind of

00:19:41.980 their core beliefs and i think right now people are more open than they've been in a while

00:19:45.940 i would agree completely with that like we're watching

00:19:51.220 it's a it's like almost like a demolition of the current system so whoever builds whatever next

00:19:59.520 is going to be the thing that drives the future so i'm just watching i'm seeing like i don't you know

00:20:04.960 i don't have the means to build anything that will drive the future but i'm watching and i am seeing

00:20:08.240 exactly what you're saying and i'm seeing the frantic nature in which you have you know preachers

00:20:13.620 pastors other people kind of like they're doing this weird evangelistic thing especially on twitter

00:20:17.700 and they're just grabbing people and they're forming these like weird these i don't even know

00:20:22.520 how to call it alliances but sides are forming and i'm just wondering where that goes and does it

00:20:27.320 does it even point back to jesus christ because it gets lost a lot in uh in the mix of politics

00:20:33.180 in the mix of culture in the mix of the current day thing and i think like with this show we do a

00:20:39.220 little bit of that we used to do more of it but now we're trying to like um narrow it down and really

00:20:44.840 try to understand like what what is this thing actually talking what is the bible actually saying

00:20:49.200 to us besides to kill faggots

00:20:51.880 and also i'm not we uh we just did we just did an episode on on the law and if it pertains to us and

00:21:00.560 you're talking about um deuteronomy so i'm like and leviticus it's like does that does that still

00:21:06.480 pertain like the active action of doing that or uh or are we are we set are we set by different rules

00:21:14.460 now yeah and i mean that's that's why it's important to talk about i mean in 1600s you know

00:21:21.000 i have an exact reprint of the laws of connecticut of 1673 it's a book i often reference but

00:21:26.240 that specific colony if you look at their capital law punishments it was just basically copy and

00:21:30.880 paste from the bible and then they even show all the quotations from the bible this actually happened

00:21:35.380 in all 13 colonies so homosexuals are subject to death penalty in all 13 colonies these laws still

00:21:40.900 went beyond the constitution went beyond the declaration of independence for the first you

00:21:46.540 know several hundred years of american history sodomy was punished with the death penalty it

00:21:51.000 slowly started to wane in the 1800s to maybe like a felony offense just put in prison for 20 years

00:21:56.560 it wasn't until 2003 that officially homosexuality is not a criminal penalty in america it was actually

00:22:03.300 lawrence versus texas in 2003 statute that overturned i think 11 or 13 other states on the books and

00:22:10.600 so when i was in high school being a being a fag was illegal and it wasn't until 2003 that it was

00:22:16.960 actually overturned and it was finally legalized just even be a homosexual then of course you fast

00:22:21.520 forward to things like 2015 they can get married obviously questions about being able to adopt

00:22:26.540 children and other kind of stuff them being put in positions of political power through the obama

00:22:31.140 administration i mean things have rapidly changed and of course that's just one issue

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00:23:21.980 it is an important issue i still think and it kind of ties back to the question of should we have

00:23:26.860 god's laws as our basis of morality but at the end of the day all laws are based on morality the

00:23:33.940 question is whose morality you want do you want sharia law do you want judaism do you want hinduism

00:23:39.300 do you want secularism do you want north korea i mean you know as for me i want the bible to be

00:23:43.880 you know the law of the land it is it's a crazy question right because as you just outlined the slope

00:23:51.460 is super slippery you're talking about from 25 i remember arguing with my uh my pentecostal

00:23:56.740 um aunt she she like co-pastored a church with her husband and they back then were doing uh protest

00:24:05.100 against you know against gay people in in brooklyn and i was kind of like hey uh are you do you think

00:24:12.400 you're like you know provoking them or do you think that like you're maybe gonna cause a backlash and

00:24:18.460 they're like no no like you don't understand this is gonna escalate and at the time i was like i don't

00:24:23.660 i don't know it seems like you guys are just being being assholes on the street here and then i look

00:24:28.800 at today that's been 10 years it's kind of been 10 years yeah and we're we're all we're already here

00:24:35.100 but then and it's all you know square that square that hole with uh like all right throw them off of

00:24:43.080 a roof like i'm not i'm not there but i understand stoning a faggot is a hard job like a hard it's real

00:24:50.940 hard real hard gets me hard um but it's it's just stop it man it's just like do you understand the

00:24:57.460 leap from there to uh make not just like making it legal but then like in 10 years after making that

00:25:03.380 legal now we're here where everything is gay and i'm just like is this a consequence of that is there

00:25:09.000 no way to well it's like there was a slippery slope argument made right that's like when we were

00:25:13.820 younger and they'd be like if you let the homos get married then they're going to come for the kids

00:25:17.260 next and so many people you know i was too young to affect any of these uh you know cultural uh

00:25:23.060 ideologies or anything when i'm watching these conversations and i remember thinking like that's

00:25:27.280 a wild yeah i was like that's no way and now i'm like oh actually oh yeah they're trans in the kids

00:25:32.320 they're trans in the kids now i see what happened here and i didn't think it was good i think

00:25:36.500 i don't know to think about it um it's a bit uncomfortable right because you do get to that

00:25:43.520 situation where you're like you know x plus y equals z uh but then we're getting into the

00:25:50.400 discussion of where we talk about the laws of the land if we want to have like law and order in the

00:25:54.560 land and uh what's the action of the church which those are two totally separate things like there's

00:25:59.840 the life of the church which is called out of the world which is totally separate from the world and

00:26:03.820 then there's the laws of the land and so it's like which one are we kind of going under with all of

00:26:08.240 this i mean there's homosexuals that repent and turn to christ like there's the story of the dude

00:26:11.980 who came here that was in the pulse nightclub shooting and was living an active homosexual

00:26:16.740 lifestyle right yeah he was in the pulse nightclub shooting and repented like he turned he turned

00:26:21.900 from me he said yeah he told everybody he was born that way they all gasped and everything and he said

00:26:26.620 hey you may not understand it because you weren't plagued with the sin that i was plagued with

00:26:30.220 but i was born this way like i had desire for men but then i knew that it was wrong and i repented

00:26:35.240 and i turned to christ and the reason i could relate to somebody saying that is because i feel the same

00:26:41.420 way about snorting oxy cottons is like i was born with a ferocious appetite to snort oxy cottons right

00:26:46.300 and they could have killed me for that you know what i mean they didn't and i lived and i was able

00:26:51.460 to repent and turn from it and i was born again i was changed from that nature so i just i don't know

00:26:56.400 are we talking about like laws of the land or the or the job of the church also fyi we are recording in

00:27:01.960 a coffee shop the back of it is a christian library that does uh in casino then that does like uh

00:27:08.680 meetings bible studies you name it people come here there's a christian library and they do

00:27:13.820 their thing like this so that's why like a lot of spurgeon in the back he was a great baptist

00:27:18.060 yeah yeah yeah um sorry go ahead jonathan i mean i'll be honest like i i have a different take when it

00:27:25.500 comes to the you know sodomite issue the reprobate issue like i personally think that fags can't get

00:27:30.980 saved at all and i don't think that they're born that way you know in romans chapter number one

00:27:36.020 well no in romans chapter number one the bible says that they left the natural use of the woman

00:27:43.960 so so biblically the the bible says in romans chapter one that they they weren't born that way

00:27:48.760 they changed at some point it talks about the women changed and it says that the men left the natural use

00:27:54.600 of the woman so i believe that what happens is someone rejects god repeatedly in their heart and mind

00:27:59.680 and then god gives them over to what the bible calls a reprobate mind in romans chapter one

00:28:04.500 and that after they become reprobate they cannot be saved there is two issues though and i agree with

00:28:10.440 what you know you said that we're talking about the laws of the land or the response of the church like

00:28:14.880 while i believe that we should have laws like we had in the past where homosexuality is a capital

00:28:20.060 offense i'm not going to do anything about it i'm not going to go out there and antagonize people

00:28:23.960 protest them i'm not going to obviously take the law into my own hands but as a church obviously

00:28:28.900 some people aren't even welcome at church i mean the bible says in first corinthians chapter five

00:28:32.500 there's certain lists as far as like covetous fornicators railers certain people aren't even

00:28:37.200 allowed to be in church they should be church disciplined but specifically when it comes to the

00:28:41.300 homosexual issue like i don't believe that they can be saved i think they're all lying when they say

00:28:45.400 that they quote repented and you see a lot of these people creeping into churches into nursery programs

00:28:50.900 into youth programs saying they've repented saying they have this under control and then they end up

00:28:55.320 still molesting children being wicked plus if i ask homosexuals what they have to do to be saved

00:29:00.080 they never give the right answers um they they always say it's a works-based salvation so you know

00:29:05.400 because they say they have to repent of their sins or do works to be saved as opposed to putting

00:29:08.840 their faith in jesus christ so anecdotally i've never met one biblically i don't see that doctrine

00:29:14.500 in the bible there's no character in the bible that was like struggling with being a fag and then got

00:29:19.960 right whereas obviously we all have sin like you said oxycontin okay anybody can be addicted to drugs

00:29:26.120 and we see even the prodigal son you know spending his money on riotous living and harlots and then

00:29:31.060 comes to himself and comes back to his father so yeah people can repent of major sins and get saved

00:29:37.020 but the bible says in ronald chapter one that this is a punishment punishment from god for having rejected

00:29:42.740 him not a normal sin it's not a natural sin it's an abnormal sin so you know i i believe that

00:29:49.740 you know they can't be saved personally when the romans one passage though right where it's talking

00:29:55.900 about if you deny him as creator and just start to say like all it all just kind of came together

00:30:00.100 by chance and then he steps away from them and then like when god steps away from mankind for

00:30:05.080 whatever reason boys start humble boys and girls start humble girls you wouldn't say that that's on

00:30:08.920 like a society level is what that's dealing with you're saying that's on an individual level

00:30:13.620 of where a person rejects him as the creator then he becomes a homosexual yes

00:30:19.680 yeah so i i think it's it's an again it is talking about all of them but they all have the

00:30:24.700 same path that they essentially are a manifestation of god's wrath because it says in romans 1 verse 18

00:30:31.440 it says for the wrath of god is revealed from heaven so something's been revealed from heaven

00:30:35.700 what is it it's wrath what is that wrath that wrath is in punishing people by being a homosexual

00:30:40.640 because as a straight man the worst punishment imaginable would be having a fag tendency or being

00:30:47.440 acting like a fag or whatever so that's the wrath of god being revealed from heaven you know you have

00:30:53.700 to read the passage in context and again in if you scroll down just a hair it makes it clear that they

00:31:00.380 weren't born this way because they totally changed um in verse number 26 for this cause god gave them up

00:31:07.340 under vile affections for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against

00:31:14.240 nature so it doesn't say that they were born that way it says they changed and then also in verse 27

00:31:19.180 it says and likewise also been leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust so

00:31:24.840 this is a consequence of rejecting the truth that god has offered to them repeatedly to the point where

00:31:30.020 he makes them quote reprobate uh that means rejected so god gave up on them god gives them over

00:31:36.320 to this that's why they do the things that they do when you kind of see this it kind of actually starts

00:31:42.400 making sense you know homosexuals why are they having a higher proclivity to child molestation

00:31:47.820 why are they typically just hate the bible so much and hate god so much you know i preach against tons

00:31:53.860 of sins for capital punishment i think that murder should be put to death i think rapists should be

00:31:57.540 put to death i think a lot of things right but i don't have the rape community coming out and

00:32:01.980 protesting me i don't have the murder community coming out and protesting me right i preach against

00:32:06.720 alcohol i don't have the alcohol community coming out and preaching against me like why is it that

00:32:11.000 just the fags are the ones that come out in huge numbers admitting that they're of the church of

00:32:15.260 satan um saying that they're witches pagans and all this just nonsense and that they're all

00:32:20.340 harassing me and attacking me why is it that they they actually changed the king james bible into their

00:32:25.240 own version called the queen james bible and it's you can buy it on amazon and all they did they just

00:32:32.480 they took the king james bible and they just took the handful of passages that i'm talking about right

00:32:36.120 now and just changed those they changed leviticus 2013 leviticus 18 they changed romans 1 they just

00:32:41.420 changed the handful of passages that are about them specifically like why aren't murderers doing

00:32:45.400 this why isn't the murder community doing this why isn't the rape community doing this it's it's

00:32:49.880 it's a deception and and that's why i made a whole movie about it i don't expect everybody to agree to

00:32:54.380 me on this issue but i'm just being honest with my it is an interesting spirit right it's one thing if a

00:32:59.360 boy oh yeah here it is the queen james bible helping a girl it's a whole other thing to put

00:33:04.020 on a parade and demand that everybody accept it and and like i said like when i was snorting oxy

00:33:08.560 cottons i never had this idea of having a parade and demanding that everybody accept the fact that i

00:33:13.320 love to snort in oxy cottons right there's this very specific spirit that comes along uh with that

00:33:18.480 lifestyle well this could actually lead us to this next topic and i'm interested to hear what you think

00:33:23.580 about this as you're talking about uh you're talking about gay people i'm thinking like just

00:33:28.960 constantly i'm like trauma trauma child induced trauma specifically we're talking about molestation

00:33:35.080 we're talking about uh how would you call this um strongholds strong spiritual strongholds yeah

00:33:42.040 yeah and everybody that i told like we did an episode um about mk ultra specifically we were talking

00:33:48.200 about uh some of the programs that went through and of all people that reached out to to me um

00:33:53.400 blair white i'm sure you're familiar uh reached out and was like hey that happened to me as a kid

00:34:00.280 and then now he's trying to uh i don't know figure out his relationship with jesus people jumping down

00:34:08.520 his throat saying you're not a christian you're not that i'm like you know not right now and i don't

00:34:13.360 know i don't like i don't i don't i don't agree with you that there is no path back and we're live

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00:35:00.920 see club for details for these people because they do exist and something happened to this guy and

00:35:07.260 it's happened to millions and millions of kids whether they were in the sigma program or the um

00:35:12.580 you know they they drank their their pink drink they listened to the it's wild that you had phones

00:35:18.220 but fuck a kid and this is where it gets tricky we're talking about like state mandated death well

00:35:22.820 right now we have state mandated mk ultra transition for for children yeah and then it's paid for yeah with

00:35:28.820 with the hormone therapy but that's just like one side effect to it there's a there's a whole satanic

00:35:33.540 side to it which i think i and this is going to sound crazy but i think like when you start

00:35:38.040 delving into this butthole stuff that's like some sort of a portal that's an opening for entities that

00:35:43.600 are around that are constantly around us to come in yeah that's why all these occultists practice sex

00:35:50.500 yeah this is exactly alistair crowley wouldn't be doing this like the homosexuality going on underneath

00:35:55.500 the statue of liberty which is a copper statue in the middle of you know butt sex city wouldn't be

00:36:01.980 there and it wouldn't be that powerful if there weren't spiritual implications to this

00:36:05.940 so now i'm like we're talking about it on a governmental level and i know this is not what

00:36:11.380 this episode is about but like it's kind of i want to pick your brain about where you're at

00:36:15.400 uh as far as uh these entities go that i believe are around us that i believe are welcomed in by people

00:36:23.640 and maybe sometimes not even knowingly like as a child how could you how could you significantly

00:36:29.100 welcome in an entity that will be with you your entire life that somebody put on you somebody did

00:36:34.720 something to you open this up and now you have this stronghold and as a church or as believers or as

00:36:40.720 the body of christ i'm going to say throw them off a building it doesn't sit right with me in this space

00:36:45.620 we listen to a lot of satanic ritual abuse survivors right and these are the people that come out of the

00:36:49.920 other end and they have their testimony about the stuff that they went through as kids you imagine

00:36:54.440 they're probably uh as far as the representation of that group goes a very small percentage because

00:36:59.000 the vast majority of the people that experience sra in childhood go on to likely just be abusers i mean

00:37:05.940 the statistics on like gay people and whether or not they were abused in childhood i think back in

00:37:10.880 the 60s one to one dog it's crazy yeah it was like seven out of ten would would say that they experienced

00:37:16.780 some sort of sexual trauma during childhood which is interesting because stranger things is kind of

00:37:21.620 admitting that in some way they're like yeah this kid he's gay but he's also full of demons isn't

00:37:25.900 that funny um and so you know it's just wild because uh how many people go through that system

00:37:32.980 of satanic ritual abuse and then they don't share their testimony they just grow up to be the monster

00:37:39.360 that they were subjected to in childhood um and i mean you know to the idea that there's no salvation

00:37:45.380 that beast that now controls this system tells them that it's great and throws a parade hell yeah dude so

00:37:49.600 yeah we're dealing with something that is bizarre i mean i don't i don't know how to approach it i guess

00:37:55.560 in the old testament we're reading like god was like go in there and kill all everything all the

00:37:59.680 goats so there's precedent for that but then we have to think about what jesus did and jesus is talking to

00:38:05.440 the alcoholics he's talking to the sinners he's talking to the the prostitutes and i'm like

00:38:09.200 okay where are we under now it does seem crazy too that paul is a murderer of christians

00:38:15.420 but there is salvation for him but if you bf a dude no salvation for you and i got yeah i think

00:38:23.260 these are these are things that are important to discuss i mean when it comes to child abuse

00:38:26.880 you know obviously it's a horrific thing all child abusers should be put to death um when it comes to

00:38:33.480 the children that are being abused i think statistically 20 approximately 25 of females admit

00:38:39.900 to having been abused as a child at some point so obviously while it could be really close like you

00:38:45.680 said one-to-one or seven out of ten you know people that end up becoming homosexual were molested as a

00:38:51.020 children it doesn't mean that it's one for one and just everyone that's abused though because it's

00:38:54.960 not 25 of the female population that's a lesbian it's not you know whatever percentage of men that

00:39:00.860 are abused so you can be abused and that doesn't mean you're going to turn in into this kind of like

00:39:04.940 horrific monster yourself you can still choose to make good decisions for yourself the bible does

00:39:10.140 bring up uncomfortable topics though in second peter chapter number two the bible talks about

00:39:14.720 people that are cursed children and when we talk about false prophets evil people obviously some of

00:39:20.600 them had a bad upbringing a bad childhood um you know when it comes to you know sinners being saved

00:39:27.640 the apostle paul does describe himself as chief of sinners now i think that was hyperbole personally

00:39:32.100 but obviously he was involved in serious sin and he was saved obviously rayab the harlot was saved

00:39:38.340 obviously there's prostitutes whores there's people addicted to drugs alcohol there's murderers that are

00:39:43.360 saved in the bible but think about it if you have all these horrific situations you have murderers and

00:39:48.500 people involved in false religion and all these different things that get saved but then you have

00:39:52.100 zero examples of homosexuals getting saved that's noteworthy sodom and gomorrah was not no the angels

00:39:58.280 weren't sitting down there to preach the gospel to them it was to torch the place it was just to take

00:40:01.780 the few people that could be redeemed out lot and his family and then torch the place and here's

00:40:06.360 the thing the devil's not stupid the devil already understands this doctrine so the devil already

00:40:10.060 realizes the reprobate doctrine so and his minions do as well so if you're in a satanic cult if you're

00:40:15.560 in politics and you want to have a completely compromised individual you know that if you can get

00:40:20.860 this person to perform an act of sodomy that they are not and ever get saved they're never going to love

00:40:25.840 the truth they're never going to do what's right and they're going to be a completely compromised

00:40:29.400 individual forever it's basically your way of just initiating them to make sure they're going to

00:40:34.020 never turn on you in a sense and so that's why i think in politics and in these high up elite clubs

00:40:38.820 they try to get the celebrities they try to get the politicians whoever they want to commit these acts

00:40:43.900 to just confirm okay this guy's on the devil's side because now we know for sure that he's in our club

00:40:50.180 because no saved person no normal person would ever cross that line that's a line that a normal saved

00:40:55.480 person will not cross and they don't want to invest millions of dollars into these people

00:40:59.520 if they can't take them to the finish line and so that's when it comes to all the celebrities all

00:41:03.580 the stuff they want to get them to do these acts to make sure they're on the right team it's kind of

00:41:08.360 like in gangs how they want people to kill someone to make sure not an undercover cop because they don't

00:41:14.280 want they don't undercover cops can't kill people like there's certain boundaries they can't even cross

00:41:18.940 and so they're going to say hey can you know kill this person to prove that you're not a cop it's

00:41:24.500 kind of like they're saying hey they're performing this act of sodomy to prove that you're not a

00:41:28.600 christian or you're not going to change or you're not going to get a conscience eventually and wake up

00:41:33.500 on us so you know i think that's how it kind of relates into what you're bringing up that that's an

00:41:39.700 it honestly that's an interesting point right because it always does kind of come down to that i was

00:41:44.780 thinking that yeah that is the the deal breaker i think it i think that argument does give a lot of

00:41:48.980 power to the devil the adversary uh which i'm not going to do um but there's something to it

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00:42:41.940 mentioned sodom and gomorrah and that kind of like i think we could swing this back to what i brought

00:42:46.900 you here to talk about a little bit they uh they knock on lot's door and they said give us those angels

00:42:51.660 we want to blap those angels yeah you know and it's like all right that passage there we can kind of

00:42:58.480 look at it and go they just uh they're just super horny and maybe these angels are very handsome

00:43:04.680 maybe they're you know the tall nords that tall white people blonde hair they stuck out they knew what

00:43:10.000 they were and they knew exactly what they were why did they want to have sex with them so badly

00:43:15.100 just to do it or is there something more well i think you know when you read that story the bible

00:43:22.860 says that every single man came out all the men both young and old so regardless if they were

00:43:30.320 attractive or not i think they wanted to defile anything and everything in their path so you know

00:43:35.460 i'm not saying the angels weren't attractive but i'm saying i don't know that even necessarily

00:43:38.740 mattered i think that they could have been two of the ugliest guys we've ever seen it could have

00:43:43.860 been tim waltz and anthony fauci and they would have been you know ready to you know throw down so

00:43:48.800 it just basically the fact that they were you know walking into their town that's what these guys do

00:43:53.840 they defile everything that comes into sight and it was just to say like hey these people are really

00:43:59.400 that bad and they're really going to harm and hurt anything in their pathway so obviously they defiled

00:44:06.140 all the young children so they've ran out of people and this we have to understand about you

00:44:11.020 talk about the slippery slope first it's not criminalized then if they can get married then

00:44:15.840 it's children then it's the training stuff but here's the thing eventually they run out of

00:44:19.700 all the people that are even willing participants so then they have to start going to where they're

00:44:24.760 going to actually force and rape people that are not interested in this as well and that's the next

00:44:30.200 layer so like the sodom and gomorrah downward spiral is they're going to run out of children

00:44:34.920 that are willing or they're they can they can defile to then now it's like okay now we just want to

00:44:39.340 take anything innocent precious even if you don't want to and we're going to we're going to bring

00:44:43.360 you out judges 19 and genesis 19 is the exact same story um where they're trying to draw men out

00:44:48.840 so certain sons of belial are coming and setting the house round about and they want to bring the man

00:44:53.840 out that they may know him and of course you know it's the same story even in judges 19 it's not

00:44:58.880 angels at all i think the angels just look like men they're they're acting like men in that particular

00:45:03.500 story i don't i don't think that the city inhabitants are perceiving their angels at all that's just my

00:45:08.580 personal you know opinion on how to how to read that passage but you know again it's just these guys

00:45:15.420 want to defile anything and everything they can do you remember when um there were prisoners

00:45:21.960 was it in israel there was like prisoners and and they were all lining up outside what you're

00:45:28.240 talking about like the metal pole i don't know if it was with the metal pole i just know like that

00:45:31.880 you know if you briefly looked at like the headlines of the situation the the virality of it was

00:45:37.380 citizens in israel are demanding these prisoners be released so that they can rape them no that's

00:45:44.320 what i remember reading what happened you don't remember that shit dude no what happened was the

00:45:47.880 soldiers were sodomizing the prisoners with like metal poles and then the soldiers were arrested

00:45:53.640 or like put in some kind of i don't know military court and then the citizens were protesting like

00:45:59.420 violently get out here because i'm out no no no to get the soldiers from god i thought i was like

00:46:05.420 damn dude that just reminded me of that that's an interesting uh yeah i think they wanted to

00:46:09.980 liberate i think they wanted to liberate the prisoners from torture specifically okay so they didn't want

00:46:14.740 to butt fuck the all right yeah yeah the the prisoners were harming them or i'm sorry the

00:46:19.780 prison guards i mean gotcha gotcha yeah yeah that's not how i read this situation let them go yeah that

00:46:25.200 was i just said damn look at these guys really it's like that one movie isn't there a movie like this

00:46:29.580 it's like kevin bacon i don't know there's like a hollywood yeah no there's some there's some

00:46:37.220 horrific hollywood movie where they have the prison guards like raping all the young boys it's like

00:46:41.780 it's like hollywood always wants to put this perversion into your mind it's a pretty popular

00:46:45.020 film maybe i can look now see that that right there as well jonathan it's like hollywood the

00:46:49.540 media music that's always being put into people's minds so yeah if you're gonna say 25 of women that

00:46:55.040 are you know molested do turn out this way it's like yeah but what about like this is just a

00:46:59.740 constant bukkake of it's called sleepers it's it's just that constant propaganda towards people that

00:47:06.640 are to come this way and it's like it's hard for me to be like well if they fell for it they fell

00:47:11.920 for it i guess they're gone right well he brings up a good point because it's like everybody's

00:47:15.780 subjected to it not everybody comes out doing that but it is like a sophisticated machine we make fun

00:47:21.860 of women's media a lot because it's like is it really uh you know a girl flick like a chick flick

00:47:28.860 if nobody gets raped you know like there's not every time some there's some media like really

00:47:33.200 popular media think of any of the big viral shows like a handmaid's tale or what the hell ever

00:47:38.880 50 shades of gray everybody's always getting raped and it's like you know then you look into the whole

00:47:44.200 um they have romance novels and it's like i was i'm in a loving relationship with a minotaur it's like

00:47:50.000 what the fuck is going on here but there's so much of it that it that has that like sprinkled into it

00:47:55.780 um you know it's i get it not everybody comes out um well we're all subjected to that same

00:48:02.080 propaganda but not everybody makes those choices but it is a sophisticated machine so that's a good

00:48:05.900 idea right there from the the idea of the minotaur or the idea of like this trend this transgender

00:48:11.540 movement that has moved into they call themselves therion or furries but they are gay or transgenders

00:48:17.620 yeah and the furries are representing some sort of animalistic feature which to us as conspiracy

00:48:25.680 theorists when we look at it it looks like human genetic hybrid stuff yeah it's like you know

00:48:31.980 you're a you're an upright walking dog dude banging another i love i love his face he's

00:48:36.740 like fuck that but it is yeah i don't i'm not i'm not really into the hybrids thing but the bible

00:48:41.180 does condemn bestiality so so obviously the bible brings up men you know especially you know islamicist

00:48:47.700 with their favorite goat doing their thing but they didn't produce any uh have uh big ass cheeks

00:48:53.940 have you seen that yeah that's it's crazy dude these thick ass goats i mean i know somalia has low

00:48:59.620 iq but i think that they're all human so uh you know did you know that 68 is the average iq of

00:49:06.320 somalia it's actually uh legally retarded that's fascinating all right please well i mean listen

00:49:12.940 animal human hybrids is not a new thing it's going on now it's been going on for a long time we have

00:49:19.460 uh there's architecture there are mythological creatures there's there are statues built to this

00:49:24.680 it's it's within every pagan religion they're worshiping some sort of something that that

00:49:30.880 resembles an animal even the bible in the bible shows the angels with the head of an ox and the

00:49:35.600 head of like it was a head of a head of an eagle head of an ox and head of a lion head of a man so

00:49:39.200 this is not like this idea of uh mixing up bloodlines is not strange it's not strange especially like

00:49:46.060 again to go back to the transgenderism thing the what they call themselves the therion there they are

00:49:51.240 therion but that's also a principle in alistair crowley's um works oh uh thelema yeah in in

00:49:58.200 the lemic magic so it's it's kind of uh rhyming and repeating itself and for us we look at something

00:50:05.100 like the nephilim agenda where it's like you're taking you're making a hybrid of something and you're

00:50:13.140 making an abomination and this just continues whether it be with animals whether it be with

00:50:17.960 angels and real people and this is kind of this is the disagreement that we had initially on twitter

00:50:23.500 but i kind of want to hear your uh your side of it and where you're coming from because steven

00:50:29.900 anderson gave me an answer that i thought was uh i thought it was dog shit to be honest he said yeah

00:50:35.240 you know the bible doesn't say that we read it in plain english and i was like yeah but the hebrew

00:50:40.340 does say that and when you look at the actual transliteration of what that word was before it was

00:50:45.300 translated by king james who was an occultist uh it said something specific but what do you what do

00:50:51.360 you think about this specifically genesis 6 are you asking yeah okay okay yeah yeah i mean again

00:50:57.300 we're probably not going to agree on this but again my my opinion is that giants is the right english word

00:51:02.160 there um i don't believe in angels mating with humans for about five i think like five specific

00:51:08.440 reasons but um even if you go beyond the king james bible before king james was even born you have to

00:51:13.700 realize that the english bible still existed so we have essentially the first english bible was john

00:51:19.000 wycliffe but the king james isn't even coming from that specific heritage it's coming from william

00:51:23.600 tyndale specifically and you have several you have like seven versions basically leading up to the king

00:51:27.820 james they're all saying that the same thing the word nephilim is the hebrew underlying word so we

00:51:32.700 can't get away from the word existing i'm just saying that i do believe the right interpretation is giants

00:51:37.480 and that we're just talking about really tall humans we see some giants miss mentioned the bible

00:51:42.460 obviously david had to kill the great goliath and and he's considered a giant nine feet something tall

00:51:47.480 king the king of bayshan og the king of bayshan has got a bed that's just giant so we don't know

00:51:54.400 exactly how tall he was but he could have been anywhere from nine to ten twelve feet some of these

00:51:59.080 heights obviously i don't think we have a single human that's reached those heights today but we still

00:52:04.280 have people pretty tall i mean we have eight footers we've had people around that around that size so

00:52:09.660 it's not like not like inconceivable but for me like i just don't understand like you know you

00:52:14.880 read the book of enoch which is where a lot of people are coming up with this idea and the book

00:52:19.160 of enoch is saying that these giants or these hybrids are are 300 l's or 3 000 l's and it's like it

00:52:28.000 it's like 2.1 miles tall which is bigger than any skyscraper we have on the planet um i guess i'm just

00:52:35.880 kind of confused like how to how how are people actually interpreting these passages if they

00:52:40.900 actually believe in these hybrids like do you not think that goliath was just a man could we could

00:52:46.480 we read it real quick and then just have you kind of dissect it we just take it straight from the king

00:52:50.300 james so it's not uh enoch or anything it says genesis 6 1 and it came to pass when men began to

00:52:56.360 multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them that the sons of god saw the

00:53:01.340 daughters of men that they were fair and they took them wives of all which they chose and the

00:53:05.840 lord said my spirit shall not always strive with man for that he also is flesh yet his days shall

00:53:12.480 be 120 years there were giants in the earth in those days and also after that when the sons of

00:53:17.660 god came into the daughters of men and they bared children to them the same became mighty men which

00:53:22.320 were of old men of renown so would you say that verse four where it does say that there were giants in

00:53:27.960 the earth uh in those days and then it seems to be you know giving the reason is that when the sons

00:53:34.180 of god came in the daughters of men would you say you wouldn't draw that conclusion that that's connected

00:53:39.080 the way it says that no i i think it's connected i i just i think what we differ on probably is just

00:53:46.040 the sons of god is probably typically where the the controversy is but again the the context matters

00:53:53.280 and i'm glad that you read this because it says when men began to multiply it doesn't say when

00:53:57.060 angels began to multiply additionally in verse two it says that the sons of god saw the daughters

00:54:03.240 of men that they were fair and they took them wise of all which they chose it says that he's not going

00:54:07.960 to always strive with notice this again man not angels or hybrids and then he says that he's also

00:54:13.000 flesh the bible is really clear that angels are ministering spirits they're not flesh so you know

00:54:18.800 can i ask you have man man man and then you know it's men again in verse four like i just to me i think

00:54:25.300 it's consistent that it's staying within man as the we would you would say that too it makes a very

00:54:30.580 distinction uh very distinct line between man and then sons of god yeah it seems like it does go to

00:54:36.520 great lengths to make to draw that distinction six one to six two like yeah when men began to multiply

00:54:41.080 and there were daughters born to them then it goes the sons of god saw that it's like so who are the

00:54:46.520 sons of god like now we're talking about the sethite lineage or who do you what i just interpreted

00:54:51.700 to save people i think it's safe it's coming from seth's line but not all seth's line saved

00:54:56.460 so sons of god would just be people that are saved and and for god like god kind of allows the heathen

00:55:02.220 or wicked to do their thing but he gets really mad when christians and saved people are intertwining

00:55:07.600 themselves with wickedness so i just look at it as like you kind of have seth's line and you have

00:55:13.180 cain's line and it's the way i interpret this is that seth has most of his descendants are the ones

00:55:19.240 where the saved people are coming from but they just get enticed with a lot of cain's ancestors

00:55:24.060 and and his i'm not answers with descendants and specifically you have saved people marrying

00:55:30.240 unsaved women which is forbidden in the bible it says in first corinthians chapter number six that

00:55:34.460 we shouldn't be unequally yoked together with unbelievers so i think it's just men just got really

00:55:39.980 carnal and lustful and so they just started having tons of wives and just they they started popping

00:55:45.940 out all kinds of kids of course some of them were giants and then again that's why it says in

00:55:50.820 verse five and god saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth so again god's mad at man

00:55:56.300 that's why he killed man he didn't just kill like the angels only or the hybrids only or just the giants

00:56:01.760 only he kills every single living creature on the earth and it says about man specifically the

00:56:07.820 imagination of his thought of his heart was only evil continually my problem is that in verse four

00:56:12.340 if if we say angels are the problem in verse four then my question is why did god kill men who were

00:56:18.920 not a part of this union because if we're saying just i'm just this dude and i'm just living my life

00:56:23.100 whatever and then over here in this other corner angels are doing their thing then why is god mad at

00:56:27.780 me the reason why god was mad at me is because i was sleeping with the daughters of men and i was

00:56:33.120 creating you know basically just these just it was going for all carnal and all lustful reasons i wasn't

00:56:39.240 really caring about the things of god that that's how i interpret it and i'm sure that we differ on

00:56:43.500 this but that's just how i interpret it no i i like that interpretation especially like with uh

00:56:48.140 you know there is precedent in the bible over and over again about a man falling to some puss i get it

00:56:54.920 you got david you gotta you have his son that's going to egypt and it's like these are things that

00:56:58.400 are strictly prohibited because now you're mixing you're mixing it gets tricky right we're mixing blood

00:57:03.440 lines now we're talking about uh race race mixing and shit like that is that wrong um is that something

00:57:09.660 that we should i don't know about race mixing but culture mixing there's something to say about that

00:57:13.520 right because a lot of stuff does get lost and a lot of things do get confused um well one of the

00:57:18.320 questions i have is you can see um you know you're saying that this isn't a point we're necessarily

00:57:24.500 going to agree on but i'm sure you can see how the scripture lends itself to some of these conclusions

00:57:31.440 depending upon the interpretation of the reader um it would be a reasonable thing if you did suppose

00:57:38.240 that they were talking about angels and that the mighty men or men of renown were something

00:57:42.740 more akin to you know let's say what many other mythologies call like a demigod um and we're live

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00:58:45.620 university of london together we're more a reasonable thing to do is to then go and look

00:58:53.940 towards antiquity to see if there are any other instances of this and what you find is almost

00:59:00.100 unilaterally across the board uh ancient civilizations all have giants in their mythos and demigods in their

00:59:08.580 mythos and we're talking and we can call them we can call this stuff it could be deceptions absolutely

00:59:13.540 but well again i think there's there's definitely been giants that's just that's just a fact i mean

00:59:18.100 the bible says giants i think everybody agrees there's giants when it comes to this this hybrid stuff

00:59:23.140 obviously you even have the bible describing interesting characters like you'll describe cherry bim

00:59:28.660 and seraphim are often these like hybrid mixes of animals and man or whatever so so we have some

00:59:34.820 kind of an angelic being that has some kind of a hybrid but i think also you kind of have a pattern

00:59:40.740 in the bible where you know dogs produce dogs elephants produce elephants man produces man there

00:59:46.660 is a passage in hebrews that clearly says to which of the angels said he at any time thou art my son

00:59:52.180 this day have i begotten thee so that's a passage saying that he's never called angels sons and i don't

00:59:56.660 think angels get the privilege of being the sons of god or being brethren with the lord jesus christ

01:00:01.700 i think when it comes to the demigod issue most of that's a bastardization of the gospel and jesus

01:00:06.500 christ because if we think about jesus christ he's god becoming flesh and this is where you get things

01:00:10.660 like hercules you get other characters that are this kind of like quote half god half human and it's

01:00:15.460 all just again bastardizations of what the bible's teaching about god being putting on flesh obviously

01:00:21.220 you know the devil himself the bible describes him as in a cherub so you know in a cherub in the book

01:00:26.900 of ezekiel is described as having a calf's face so i believe that the devil actually has a calf's face

01:00:32.820 so that's why you see a lot of false religions satanic religions yeah worship like worshiping

01:00:37.700 like a cow you have hinduism worshiping the cow you have baphomet that kind of has this like cows

01:00:42.420 looking face the bible does also describe how angels can transform and transfigure so i think that

01:00:47.220 the devil can transform obviously the devil inhabits the serpent you have demons inhabiting swine

01:00:53.940 in the book of genesis i'm sorry in the in the gospels and they like violently run down this deep

01:00:59.060 cliff so i'm not saying that there isn't some things that are mentioned in the bible obviously

01:01:03.700 people have had all this wood pagan stuff obviously bestiality has been a part of many satanic and evil

01:01:09.380 cultures and civilizations so of course then they create all this weird nonsense but yeah i i do think

01:01:17.140 that there's going to be some false stuff too right i mean when it comes to dinosaurs is every single

01:01:22.980 dinosaur that they've invented and create casts for legit i don't know um but the bible does bring

01:01:28.500 up dragons we have dragon history throughout you know time but everything that's if we go back and

01:01:35.460 we just look at all civilizations and all things they said there's definitely a lot of bs so i guess the

01:01:41.060 question is how do we know what's right or wrong i'm kind of just trying to stick with the text and i think

01:01:45.620 if there were hybrids why wouldn't there be hybrids today like did women suddenly get unattractive or

01:01:50.580 something because i i feel like if angels could do it then why wouldn't they be doing it now you

01:01:55.860 actually do have a a constant it depends on how far down before we go into this i just want to address

01:02:00.660 something you said about uh yeah the angels not being called the sons of god and that's a translation

01:02:05.860 we're even reading from the king i agree with that verse that you quoted there but when you look at the

01:02:11.380 actual hebrew that that uh that translation only shows up twice the beneha elohim shows up here and

01:02:20.660 then it shows when when we're talking about sons of god and shows up in the book of job twice um and

01:02:26.180 it only shows up in the book of job when they're describing god speaking with his heavenly council

01:02:30.980 and then obviously satan approaches and god lets him tempt job but it says that when god is speaking with

01:02:38.340 the beneha elohim the sons of god and they're talking they're delegating whatever they're doing

01:02:44.980 then they are approached by satan you understand so well again i i just still interpret job one is

01:02:52.500 say people so that's that's it's it's kind of like it depends on your consistency like i just don't believe

01:02:58.900 sons of god ever means angels in any passage so like in job one i think it's just all the people that

01:03:04.580 have died and are in heaven so you got people like abel you got to be like abraham moses they're

01:03:09.620 all presenting themselves before the lord in heaven that's how i interpret job chapter number one

01:03:13.860 so again it's just i look the the fact that sons of god are angels is kind of a popular idea a lot of

01:03:20.420 people do subscribe to that it's just i i just personally don't what about if we look at jude and

01:03:25.780 it says uh he's starting in verse five he says i will therefore put you in remembrance so you once knew

01:03:30.340 this and i just want to say one thing real quick before i go off on that because i had to cut for a

01:03:34.020 minute i agree i think this thing can get out of whack if you say that like uh fallen angels came

01:03:39.300 inbred with humans and then the issue in the day of the flood wasn't man i agree with you 100 the

01:03:44.900 issue is man in that day regardless of uh fallen angels breeding with women or not man's responsible

01:03:50.260 for the earth well and it's also 100 a man issue regardless of what angels did it's it's

01:03:55.460 interesting to me yeah the punishment is on man but when he says that uh he draws a lot of

01:04:00.980 distinction in that passage the wickedness of man was great in the earth that day and every

01:04:04.980 imagination of the thoughts of his heart were only evil continually that's man's fault that's not

01:04:10.020 anything but that's the same case as in sodom and gomorrah and that's why he had to merc that place

01:04:13.620 and it's like well they were just trying to have sex with angels so then you kind of draw this weird

01:04:17.540 conclusion of like did they know something did they know that you could create i don't know some sort

01:04:22.420 of a weird hybrid that people are doing this shit now and i we can keep our heads in the in the sand on

01:04:27.940 this but every country in the world is doing this we're like our government right now is talking

01:04:32.020 about some weird disclosure shit word where we're mentioning aliens and it's not aliens these are

01:04:38.340 these are entities that have been with us for a long time these are i mean obviously i think today in

01:04:43.940 medical modern technology you have people getting transplants that are from animals right i mean isn't

01:04:48.900 it i think they've gotten like pig hearts and different animal parts i try to mix them with man and so

01:04:54.820 obviously there's some franken science that's happening how far can they take it i i'm not

01:05:00.980 going to say i know exactly uh i do i do think that we've never scientifically proven reproduction

01:05:07.620 between kinds like we don't have dogs and elephants creating a hybrid i don't have you don't have you

01:05:12.820 know you know things crossing different kinds of animals obviously there's speciation i'm just saying

01:05:18.340 we you know i don't think that we have examples of human dna reproducing with another

01:05:24.660 type of kind of animal and again maybe it exists you want to suggest it exists potentially behind

01:05:30.260 closed doors i don't know but i'm just saying like in the open at least uh i i don't think that it's

01:05:34.660 there i don't think it personally will ever get there i think with ai it's interesting how much we

01:05:38.900 can maybe merge with technology and i don't know what the i don't know what the limits are on that

01:05:43.780 with the transhumanism stuff yeah you're never gonna have eternal life in today's day and age it's very

01:05:48.980 tricky but there's like i know there's thousands upon thousands of testimonies about just cryptid

01:05:54.180 sightings cryptid encounters things like this and you know you don't have to believe this stuff but

01:05:58.340 if enough people do say it you have to go okay well what happened here is everybody confused is there

01:06:03.140 bigfoot is there a dog man what do you see in here a moth man very strange um and then i think we have

01:06:09.780 to consider like alien or is it just rosie o'donnell it's not nice dude how dare you yeah

01:06:16.500 the the alien abduct we're going to consider that soon because phenomenon yeah they're doing some

01:06:21.140 sort of disclosure you know supposedly but i mean what is what is the trope when it comes to alien

01:06:25.940 abduction stuff it's like it's yeah they're going to put something in your butt but they're also going

01:06:29.460 to do some weird genetic testing manipulation on you it's always something to do with the uterus or

01:06:33.700 they're taking your sperm this dude this dude's straight bible i don't i get it i get it but you got it

01:06:38.420 now he's not straight bible yeah but but isn't i think he's in the movie with bruce uh mel gibson

01:06:44.500 um he's like it's a conspiracy or something like this is the name of the movie and he thinks

01:06:50.580 he thinks it's like aliens but it's really just the government experimenting on them and stuff

01:06:54.980 like maybe there's just misdirection when it comes to quote aliens and mk ultra stuff they don't

01:07:00.580 they don't want their subjects to think that actual humans are doing it so fauci's in here with

01:07:04.660 an alien mask you know doing weird covet stuff to them or something right no problem i don't

01:07:08.260 know so the government is running a human hybrid program where they're doing genetic manipulation

01:07:13.860 i mean trump just approved funding for like ivf so now we have government funding where they'll take

01:07:18.340 your sperm and your eggs and we'll store them no problem and we'll pay for it it's like yeah that's

01:07:22.820 to me it's a little weird we're walking that uh the bizarre line of trust the plan and uh what

01:07:30.980 what are you actually doing here and is this anything new i don't think of q

01:07:36.820 chapter one verse five goes like this it goes i will therefore put you in remembrance though you

01:07:41.140 once knew this how that the lord having saved the people out of the land of egypt afterward

01:07:46.180 destroyed them that believe not and the angels which kept not their first estate but left their

01:07:50.900 own habitation he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day even

01:07:56.820 as sodom and gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner going giving themselves over to

01:08:01.620 fornication and going after strange flesh are set forth for an example suffering the vengeance of

01:08:06.980 eternal fire do you uh do you have like a specific bible passage that you would uh connect that verse

01:08:14.660 six to that's a that's about the angels if it's not about the fallen ones in uh genesis six like you

01:08:20.180 do you have another passage of scripture that you would connect that to well you have like revelation

01:08:27.860 chapter 12 and i don't think you can directly connect these these would be just on the same subject matter

01:08:34.180 but you know this is obviously a previous event that happened in jude 1 verse 6 i believe that

01:08:41.220 revelation 12 is actually a future event but you you do see satan cast out of heaven at some point

01:08:47.220 and i think that their estate is quote heaven and that they left their own habitation meaning that

01:08:53.060 they didn't want to be in heaven they didn't want to serve god they rebelled against the lord

01:08:57.460 and so as a result some of them have already been sent to hell obviously not all of them

01:09:02.980 and we see some demons like the legion talking to jesus and saying hey don't send us to hell early

01:09:09.140 you know so like obviously it's on the table if they were afraid of that then stands a reason that

01:09:14.180 some angels fallen angels had already been sent to hell and are already in hell awaiting judgment and

01:09:20.500 that these particular demons were allowed to just continue to exist on the earth doing their thing

01:09:25.460 the devil says that he goes about going throughout the earth the bible describes him as a roaring lion

01:09:30.900 some people think like the devil's in hell some people get confused i think the bible's because

01:09:34.660 the devil can go to heaven and he's on earth most of the time so that he's the prince of the power of

01:09:39.700 the air is that those bible describes him he's the god of this world he's obviously deceiving the

01:09:44.740 lost at some point he'll be thrown into hell so that means he's not in hell as described in the book

01:09:49.700 of revelation so you know again i think it's just whatever angels rebelled with the devil and we could

01:09:56.020 all debate when that actually happened i don't know sometime prior to i think adam and eve sinning

01:10:01.540 but they left their own habitation some of them are in hell some of them are not i don't know

01:10:07.380 exactly how god decides that obviously some of these things are a mystery but those are the only

01:10:12.020 passages i can think of top of my head like you have demons saying don't send me there before then

01:10:16.660 you have a passage revelation talking about um satan being cast out of heaven and it says that he drew

01:10:23.780 a third of the stars with him and it kind of using that language sounds like maybe that's talking about

01:10:28.820 other angels that sided with the devil or in his rebellion so perhaps you know that's why a lot of

01:10:34.340 people say like the devil has a third of the angels or something like that that's kind of where

01:10:37.940 that illusion is coming from in the book of revelation chapter 12 and we're live at planet

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01:11:38.900 london together we're more well um according to your like denomination how do you classify demons then

01:11:46.260 what is a demon because there's a delineation between a fallen angel and a demon i think it's an evil

01:11:52.100 spirit so you have i come from yeah yeah you have again you have the angels are described as ministering

01:11:59.540 spirits so all angels are spirits they're their own classification and some of them rebelled and so you

01:12:07.540 have quote fallen angels or fallen spirits evil spirits i i think all of that's fine you have demons

01:12:15.300 mentioned in the bible um the bible talks about the satan having his ministers so uh you know obviously

01:12:23.540 a lot of times it's also referring just the jews but it can also i think refer to uh the fallen angels

01:12:29.060 as well so there are points where um it's it's there's a sort of a stack up right devils demons and

01:12:35.300 unclean spirits and that's a fascinating uh point when you look at it you go why did why was it uh fit to

01:12:43.780 to to separate these things into into three different categories are using three different

01:12:47.540 words to describe the exact same thing in the exact same breath or are there you know different

01:12:52.260 categories among these things is a devil a higher ranking thing um and i guess there's not really

01:12:57.540 any way to know well okay yeah i think so i mean even the catholic church has angelology or

01:13:03.300 angelology or whatever where they have they literally have a classification they have like 10 plus

01:13:08.260 classifications of angels but basically it's just your proximity to god himself and and we have to

01:13:13.620 understand about the devil he was the anointed cherub that covereth and it says that he had walked

01:13:18.900 on the stones of fire so if you understand how the bible describes heaven god is at the top he's at the

01:13:25.300 highest point and he's sitting on a live coal pit so his throne is there on the live culprit there's a

01:13:31.540 rainbow that goes around god's head and the bible describes the devil would have been an anointed

01:13:36.260 cherub that was standing there where god is covering god at some point almost arguably the

01:13:42.180 highest ranking angel in a sense but then he got kicked out of heaven obviously for rebelling because

01:13:47.300 of his beauty he he was lifted up in pride and isn't interesting pride and the rainbow are directly

01:13:53.060 connected to god's throne and then we see that those are the most satanic rebellious people against

01:13:57.220 god god obviously uses the rainbow to promise that he's not going to pour out wrath on this world or

01:14:02.740 flood the world again the bible says in roman in revelation chapter 12 the devil's going to try and

01:14:07.060 destroy the entire earth with a flood again but again so obviously that rainbow promises is not

01:14:11.140 going to happen but then you have cherry bims and seraphims these are also just high-ranking angels that

01:14:16.820 are there you have four at the corners of god's throne that basically carry it they're the ones that

01:14:21.940 take the live coals out from the pit and they'll hand it to people you know in the particular text of

01:14:27.700 scripture in different places obviously you have lower angels kind of going down so i'm not going

01:14:33.220 to say that all angels are the same obviously gabriel is described and michael the archangel so archangels

01:14:39.300 you have like archangels then you have cherubs you have seraphims and they have different numbers of

01:14:44.180 wings they have different responsibilities and it's basically their hierarchy is in proximity to the

01:14:49.540 throne itself and your proximity to the throne is your hierarchy in a sense that's why the the son gets to

01:14:55.700 sit on the throne at the right hand of the father because he has the rank of god because he's god

01:15:01.380 so you have the trinity the father son and holy spirit they're all god and you have the father and

01:15:06.340 the son both sitting on the throne and so that's like the most high-ranking position you have the

01:15:10.740 you have that 12 elders or the 24 elders you have the men that are there and they have crowns and they're

01:15:15.700 kind of a high-ranking status among men and among the sons of god but it basically hierarchy is your

01:15:21.780 proximity to god that's how i think the bible basically lays it out so the book of enoch has

01:15:27.780 obviously become a major book when it comes to this point of contention and you know it's worth

01:15:34.340 mentioning that it's non-canonical the ethiopian book uh bible kept it in there uh never never omitted

01:15:40.900 it but this is where a lot of people lean on the idea that a demon is the disembodied spirit of a

01:15:46.580 nephilim because that's what the book of enoch says uh what do you make of enoch specifically the

01:15:51.940 also just to to argue against my own co-host and the name of my show here the book of enoch is like

01:15:57.780 i think it's formulated or rediscovered in 1948 47 1947 which is when i don't know all these

01:16:05.780 government programs begin when israel's culture project yeah you name it very yeah very peculiar

01:16:12.500 you don't like to have to go extra biblical to talk about this stuff like you can go straight bible

01:16:17.220 to have these discussions about like yeah yeah a demon specifically has to get in a body to act

01:16:22.020 things out whereas an angel doesn't like an angel's eating doing things potentially having sex or dudes

01:16:27.780 are trying to bone them in sodom and gomorrah we can agree that that's potentially they could be blacked

01:16:32.340 so there's like this different thing where like a like a fallen angel is not a thing that needs another

01:16:36.900 body to act anything out whereas a demon does need to be in a host body to act something out so that's

01:16:42.020 where we would draw some uh differentiality just straight bible not based on any extra biblical text

01:16:49.780 yeah i mean i agree with your point the bible i did a whole sermon on angels and demons and stuff

01:16:55.380 and you definitely see angels interacting with mankind in different ways you see them doing things

01:17:01.620 like eating touching grabbing um but they even interact with each other because you have um one of

01:17:08.260 the angels talking about how he was held up by the prince of persia so you kind of have like a demonic

01:17:13.140 force wrestling with another angelic force and that's why they couldn't get to daniel in the timeline that

01:17:19.060 they wanted so you know i i don't know what the limitations are when it comes to demonic spirits and things

01:17:26.260 like that i agree with you that they're pretty much inhabiting hosts for the most part to do a lot of the

01:17:32.100 interactions even the devil himself enters the antichrist instead of just presenting himself he

01:17:37.140 basically inhabits the antichrist so i i don't understand all the transformations of like how

01:17:43.060 and what limitations they may or may not have but when it comes to the book of enoch you know i just i

01:17:49.300 just don't really put much credence on any extra biblical book no matter what it is there's some

01:17:54.660 interesting stories in some of them obviously maccabees talks about the maccabean revolt i'm sure some of

01:17:59.140 that history is probably accurate but it's also not bible you have bell and the dragon which is an

01:18:05.060 extra book to the book of daniel describes daniel like actually killing a dragon and so it's kind of

01:18:10.900 an interesting story those last two chapters and daniel are weird yeah they are weird yeah but i find

01:18:17.540 the book of enoch to be similar and that i read passages and i think yeah this doesn't seem legitimate at

01:18:22.420 all you know specifically the size of the the the children produced you know 3 000 l's or whatever

01:18:30.500 whatever that is like some people say it's 450 feet tall not 11 000 which even if it was 450 feet tall

01:18:37.700 like let's be reasonable this just doesn't seem like it fits reality um i think some people say like oh

01:18:45.860 that's what a mountain is like mountain is a fallen angel and then now it's just been covered up or

01:18:50.100 whatever and it's like no actually that was just america bombing germany and then we turn it into a

01:18:54.740 trash heap later but uh that's you know again i i don't really have a lot of uh respect for the book

01:19:01.300 of enoch personally it doesn't mean that some of it couldn't be true sometimes just copying the bible

01:19:05.860 and just saying the same thing the bible does reworded obviously there's an allusion to it in jude

01:19:11.060 it says you know you know as enoch also promised people would be like oh that's is that like the book

01:19:16.260 of enoch i just think it's enoch quoting the bible in the future that we didn't have yet so the word

01:19:21.540 of god could be quoted at any time i think by prophets i don't think he had an actual book i

01:19:26.260 think it's a forgery that's my opinion all right okay i like i like it thank thank you for uh you know

01:19:32.420 telling us we're going to rename the show but uh i wanted to ask you just a couple more questions and

01:19:36.740 respect your time but uh why is it called death squad i'm just curious sorry i don't i don't know bro

01:19:41.620 like this is what oh okay no there's there's well i mean there's very little other reason except for

01:19:47.220 the way that it punches when you sound cool yeah yeah when we started it it was just like comedy

01:19:52.500 conspiracy christianity we're like we're gonna learn some and in fact you know uh communicate with

01:19:57.380 some people you know uncover different things there's a banger of a name and then it just it's

01:20:02.500 kept it's engaging it is but i do have to explain it to normal people a lot and that is

01:20:07.620 nephilim like that's the idea behind yeah yeah we're finding them i mean it's it is a little

01:20:12.820 bit of a punch in the teeth when you say people go what did you just say exactly that's the main

01:20:16.820 point yeah yeah so it's it's marketing how do you spell nephilim and yeah yeah picked a horrifying

01:20:25.780 name to try to find in your yes it filters out the dumb people in your false doctrines you pre uh you're

01:20:31.460 saying that pre-tribulation rapture is also a false doctrine and this is this is a fun one for me because

01:20:36.980 i like to see the argument for pre-mid and post-trib people and i think there's arguments

01:20:41.380 for all like we were talking the other day there's there's arguments for all three you can prove you

01:20:45.060 can prove either one you can do whatever you all day long argue but you're like this one specifically

01:20:49.380 is a false doctrine and pre-specifically pre i don't know if it's false i do lean towards like i don't

01:20:55.540 like when people go i ain't worried about it god's gonna take me remove me and i'm like did you watch

01:21:01.460 jesus like wait so what so what is their position it's a it's a post-trib rapture i don't know well

01:21:08.340 yeah so again yeah there's lots of different opinions on this right so you kind of have

01:21:14.580 you kind of have like amillennialism and then you have pre-millennialism and amillennial means that

01:21:21.060 all the things in the book of revelation basically aren't going to happen or symbolic

01:21:24.500 i reject that i think that's stupid then you have pre-millennialism which means that christ is going

01:21:29.300 to still return and there's going to be a thousand year reign of christ the question is when right of

01:21:33.700 course you have an idea of preterism which again i reject totally this this idea is that all the

01:21:38.580 things of revelation already happened in 70 80. i believe that was just some fulfillments not full

01:21:44.020 fulfillments and that we still have a lot of little season theory has have you come across that yeah

01:21:48.740 that's trash that's stupid yeah so then you have pre-trib you have mid-trib you have what people

01:21:55.540 call i want to describe a little bit more specifically post-trib post-wrath and we're

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01:22:30.660 and those are the positions that i always heard of until i realized there's another alternative

01:22:35.220 use it's post-trib pre-wrath and that's what i would describe my view as so basically my view is

01:22:40.340 that at the there's a seven-year period of time that the bible's describing is the last week of daniel's

01:22:45.540 70th weeks and in that seven years at the midpoint the antichrist is going to declare himself god

01:22:51.540 and he's going to make war with the saints is what the bible says in the book of daniel

01:22:55.060 so you're going to have this great tribulation so you have tribulation for the first three and a half

01:22:58.820 years then you have a period of great tribulation because of studying a lot of bible prophecy it's

01:23:03.540 probably about a 75 day period and i could it takes a while to get there it's about a 75 day period

01:23:08.580 and then christ will return at the point that christ returns the church will be raptured with him and

01:23:14.420 then god pours out his wrath for the remaining a portion of that three and a half years and so

01:23:19.540 if you look at the book of revelation you have seven seals the first five are that period of

01:23:24.660 tribulation you have the four horsemen of the apocalypse basically the fifth seal is the great

01:23:30.020 tribulation the sixth seal is the return of jesus christ which is mentioned revelation chapter six

01:23:35.140 the seventh seal is kind of a combo thing it's not just one event it's it's then a seven vile trumpets

01:23:41.620 and vile judgments that are then poured out on the earth this is where you get the locust from hell

01:23:45.780 this is where you get the the wormwood coming down the comet and ruining and poisoning the waters and

01:23:52.260 you have all kinds of crazy stuff being unleashed on the earth that's basically how i you know the

01:23:58.420 conclusion i've come to and you have plenty of verses that clearly articulate this you have

01:24:02.340 matthew 24 verse 29 says and immediately after the tribulation so it really specifically says after the

01:24:09.140 tribulation and then it describes jesus christ coming in the clouds with great power and coming

01:24:14.100 in the glory and the angels coming from one end of the earth to the other gathering all the elect

01:24:17.860 together so that's the same in mark 13 it's the same in luke and then if you look at first

01:24:22.100 thessalonians chapter number four the bible describes our basically jesus christ coming and

01:24:27.380 gathering the elect together that's the rapture then you have second thessalonians chapter number two

01:24:31.860 making it abundantly clear that the coming of our lord and our gathering together cannot come

01:24:35.780 until two things happen a great falling away and the man of sin being revealed as in second

01:24:41.780 thessalonians chapter two clearly articulates the man of sin being revealed is him going into the holy

01:24:46.100 place setting up the abomination of desolation declaring himself to be god so christ cannot come

01:24:52.180 before those events happen pre-tribbers have no verses to base their doctrine on they have no scripture

01:24:58.100 that teaches anything about pre-trib whatsoever they just it's just an arbitrary uh thing coming from

01:25:03.220 darby coming from the schofield reference bible coming from just nonsense and so they just say oh

01:25:08.180 we're just randomly raptured out of for no reason this doesn't even make sense because oh we're not

01:25:13.220 supposed to go to the tribulation the whole bible's tribulation are you going to tell me that the

01:25:16.660 apostles and the disciples didn't go through tribulation in their life and that christians

01:25:20.100 haven't been martyred and have to fight through their life obviously on a scale there wasn't the same

01:25:25.380 scale of the bible's describing that's why it's called great tribulation not because the individuals

01:25:29.700 will go through worse persecution individually but as a whole obviously peter being crucified upside

01:25:34.580 down obviously john being put in hot boiling oil individually speaking there people are going

01:25:39.860 to go through worse events than that jonathan but but you got more people going through those

01:25:45.620 events simultaneously than ever before and that's what the bible is actually describing as the

01:25:49.700 greatest tribulation to ever happen so again it's not mid-trib that's when the antichrist

01:25:54.340 declares himself god it's not pre-trib because yeah we have to go through the tribulation it's not

01:25:58.980 post-trib post-wrath because god's not going to put us through his wrath so you know that's the

01:26:03.540 position that i came to several years ago and it finally made sense i grew up in a pre-trib church

01:26:08.260 i heard pre-trib rapture preached my whole life and i kind of believed it and then once i started

01:26:12.580 reading my bible seriously and considering other positions i recognized oh wow i've been wrong on this

01:26:18.580 it's actually after the tribulation like matthew 24 verse 29 just clearly says so that's kind of my

01:26:24.340 position i i i like that position a little bit better than the pre-trib stuff because it abdicates

01:26:30.820 the christian of their uh of their duty and their understanding of like suffering like so jesus came

01:26:36.100 here and like suffered and you think you're gonna get an easy way out like we don't have to prepare

01:26:41.060 anything for the future because like it'll stop here and we'll just be good i don't like that idea i

01:26:45.940 think that that that that ails the society and it's probably a little bit why our society is kind

01:26:52.020 of the way it is now it makes being absolutely super easy right yeah it's super easy yeah everybody

01:26:57.140 else is going to go through this really hard but to be fair i think that there's pre-trib people that

01:27:01.540 tie passages together to make that point which i'm not pretty true i've seen the argument but i'm but

01:27:05.940 i'm not i don't think it's just as simple as like they don't want to be here for the wrath and

01:27:09.620 don't think that they'll be here i think sometimes it is sometimes it is that simple sometimes

01:27:13.460 but i think that they also put together a set of scriptures and say because of this this this

01:27:19.540 this and this matthew 24 revelation thessalonian letters you know etc that's why they come to that

01:27:26.260 conclusion i think there is like debate over it it's just interesting that yeah i mean what so what

01:27:30.500 denomination were you that you were uh uh pre-trib yeah i grew up non-denom so like just think of the

01:27:37.380 biggest churches in the united states i was going to one of those it was trinity fellowship church

01:27:42.500 they basically founded and started gateway church which is here in dfw is pretty much one of the

01:27:46.740 largest churches in america until robert morris you know got caught being a pedophile because he's a

01:27:50.580 false prophet um i think the largest church in america right now is life church by craig rochelle

01:27:55.460 and like the oklahoma area but they have like 60 church plants um gateway was pretty much competing

01:28:00.740 with them at the top and trinity fellowship had kind of basically started gateway in a sense um so trinity

01:28:06.580 is also a very large non-denominational church they have a core a coordination of churches called

01:28:11.940 tfac trinity fellowship association of churches and they basically if you if you understand most

01:28:16.820 non-denoms all follow these same people they all have like a small little club right and they give

01:28:22.100 them all the same guidelines that's why they have all the same events same things like they have this

01:28:26.820 thing called at the movies that they're all doing now where they literally show hollywood movies in the

01:28:30.500 summer because no one will come to their churches and they try to like bastardize them into the bible

01:28:35.060 it's like you're gonna play sunday service with a with a hollywood movie and again then again

01:28:39.700 following trinity's example yeah it's terrible yeah on our show i mean it's called nephilim

01:28:46.260 death squad but uh we we picked up matt and uh we've been doing a show called straight bible where

01:28:52.180 uh you know i i go to church i go to a pentecostal church now with uh with david don't get this guy

01:28:56.900 started dude on what pentecostal you're just gonna tell him i go you're just gonna yeah tell him

01:29:01.940 about the tongues during worship i don't know listen i'm there i grew up i grew up in a yeah

01:29:07.380 i grew up in a charismatic non-denomination church both my parents were pentecostal

01:29:14.020 on his website he says we got to kill them too

01:29:18.740 i didn't say i didn't say you have to kill them but i i actually practiced speaking in tongues when i

01:29:23.540 was younger uh and then i then i ended up changing my mind and and not believing it anymore so

01:29:29.780 it's hard man it's hard it's it's tough it's there's a lot going on but like i like i tell

01:29:36.740 people all the times like my kids are there and i see them benefiting tremendously they're

01:29:40.740 they're hearing the gospel we're not getting that deep into theology with what they're doing so i'm

01:29:45.540 there i'm helping out i'm watching it's fine but i do this is what i do as i guess a ministry we kill

01:29:52.340 we kill the nephilim which exists um but on a match show straight bible like we're always talking

01:29:58.660 about like these the ins and outs of the 501c3 church and like the pitfalls and is it even

01:30:04.020 supposed to be structured that way and you did a great job just now talking about this kind of like

01:30:08.340 weird government governmental structure with many tentacles that is doing god knows what

01:30:14.180 big business big business ends up in pedophilia sometimes they i mean a lot of times i think they

01:30:19.220 reach they reach uh people with jesus but there's a lot of other things that are going on within it and

01:30:25.140 it's like i don't know are you are is your church technically it's not within that system but how

01:30:30.900 does how does your church operate within this 501c3 tax-free thing and it's like it becomes a

01:30:35.380 corporation it becomes a business oh yeah so you're in your flock jesus had 12 you know it's like how do

01:30:41.780 we well meaningfully yeah go ahead i mean here's the thing when it comes to i like the name of that

01:30:46.580 show of straight bible you know if i was 51c3 is antithetical to the bible like i don't want it like

01:30:52.740 i'll just be honest like i don't i don't really care about following in any example that just

01:30:57.620 exists i want it to be matching the bible i think that the 501c3 argument is kind of a straw man

01:31:02.740 i think you know initially when i heard about this i was kind of skeptical but then actually

01:31:07.380 owning a church and you know you being a pastor of one having to guide it and recognizing what's going

01:31:12.500 on i don't think it's a big deal personally because here's the thing if you set up a church if you

01:31:18.820 just go ahead and just create the organizational structure so you can have a bank account and you have a

01:31:22.500 church you're automatically a 501c3 like you have in order to not be 501c3 you have to either a

01:31:30.100 structure yourself very specifically to not be or you have to uh essentially be violating one of

01:31:36.820 their five principles so there's five things that you have to be violating to not be a 501c3

01:31:41.540 and basically any church that's doing one of those is not really a good church anyways because it's

01:31:45.540 like you're giving more than 10 of your donations to a political lobbying group the the pastor is is

01:31:51.300 exercising what you know as personal enormant which means that you know any ties and offerings

01:31:56.340 that are coming in they're just going straight to their bank account as opposed to going to the

01:31:59.300 ministry or the work of the ministry they have non-charitable purposes and i'm not gonna remember

01:32:05.140 all the top of my head but it's like you're doing illegal activity like you're funding drug money or like

01:32:10.580 criminal organization stuff and then maybe the last one is a non-sequitur again it's like basically

01:32:16.020 attacking churches for being a 501c3 in my mind is not really um it's not really the problem

01:32:24.180 now again here's the thing obviously by saying things and being public and stuff maybe like

01:32:29.140 someone could quote threaten your 501c3 and that's why they don't talk about these issues

01:32:32.900 but i guarantee even if we took that off the table most of these lame weak watered down preachers wouldn't

01:32:37.540 say what needs to be said anyways because they're afraid of the congregation they're not even afraid of

01:32:40.580 the government uh you know i say that's anything and everything yeah i say anything and everything

01:32:45.380 and i'm not afraid of it we just call it 501c3 because that's what they all have in common like

01:32:50.100 we used to call it the non-denominational church but to your point people go oh we're

01:32:53.940 we call it the denominational church but to your point people will say oh we're non-denomination

01:32:58.020 it's like yeah but it's all the same thing it's all this weird fluffy you know announcements

01:33:02.500 five songs and a speech and just this kind of weird like light little thing where we're not really gonna

01:33:07.460 jonathan do you guys do songs we do the traditional hymns and songs and we're live at planet fitness

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01:33:43.460 whatever no no original pieces like kill the faggots or well honestly no no we have original

01:33:50.100 pieces so we someone put somebody put together psalm 139 and it's like do not i hate them oh lord that

01:33:58.180 hate thee do not i hate them that rise up against thee i hate them with perfect hatred and sometimes you

01:34:02.580 have visitors come in and we're just all screaming like all the kids are like do not i hate them and

01:34:07.140 they're like kind of looking like what in the world because they're used to just songs that are always

01:34:11.060 positive and nice but it's like straight text it's straight bible you know psalm 139 is do not i hate

01:34:16.020 them oh lord so yeah we we make our own hymns and we make our own songs we keep it with it that style

01:34:22.580 i personally don't think there's anything sinful about style of music but the problem with a lot of

01:34:27.300 contemporary music today is that it's it's devoid of doctrine like it lyrically it's just basically

01:34:33.220 just a repetitive just mk ultra exercise and so you're just kind of like sitting here and just like

01:34:38.580 i surrender and you just kind of wonder like what are you surrendering to you know you don't have

01:34:45.460 specific doctrine put in there you know our god is an awesome god muslims can sing that song jews can

01:34:50.900 sing that song you know a lot of people can sing that particular song interpretation it's not specific

01:34:56.100 enough exactly exactly whereas the hymns when we're singing about it saying stuff like salvations

01:35:00.660 by faith only you know it's singing things about like who jesus is that he's the son of god you know

01:35:06.900 to god be the glory is bringing up the trinity so like you can't be anti-trinitarian and sing to god

01:35:11.940 be the glory you can't be a you know a muslim and be singing about how jesus is the son of god or died

01:35:17.460 on the cross and his blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins you can't even believe in work

01:35:21.220 salvation and believe a lot of the hymns by fanny crosby and other people so you know like that's

01:35:26.420 what i have a major problem with when it comes to the major contemporary music is that it's it's

01:35:31.700 lyrically devoid of doctrine and then again like obviously some people make arguments about

01:35:37.620 sensuality and all this kind of stuff i don't really care about that like if someone had a banger

01:35:42.740 of a modern song lyric like from a lyric perspective i'm not gonna hate on them i'm not gonna be mad at

01:35:47.300 them i think people like chris tomlin um how great is our god it's kind of a more modern song

01:35:53.060 lyrically it's it's sound so i can't get mad at somebody for singing a song like that

01:35:56.980 but most of the hillsong stuff most of the bethel stuff is in my opinion just trash so you know that's

01:36:02.500 that's kind of where i am on that issue it's it's formulaic it's it's done on purpose we me and matt

01:36:07.700 have all the time or argument about like well what is worship the idea of it but i like that what you

01:36:13.300 just said where it's open like they they've made this they've made a condition with your four pop

01:36:20.260 chords and then the lyrics are open worship is this thing that everyone is doing but it's got to be

01:36:25.700 pointed at something it's got to be very specific so i'm gonna shoot yeah thank you for like uh

01:36:31.780 putting that idea in my head because it's something that i'm really filing down and working

01:36:35.780 on like uh what is this how do we use it does it belong here stop making faces y'all got

01:36:41.300 to fuck you made me curse yeah people got mad at me because the opening of my show

01:36:46.180 someone put like psalms to like hit like uh techno or like synth wave music whatever and people are

01:36:52.500 losing their minds they were thinking like you can't do that and i'm like why you know and so

01:36:56.980 obviously i i pissed both sides off probably in the sense that i want it to be lyrically sound and then

01:37:01.860 i don't really care but like for our church we're not gonna like be having a rave you know what i mean

01:37:06.020 like if you if you come to our churches about as traditional and conservative as imaginable

01:37:10.260 because i just want to do what i think is the most honoring to god and i feel like our style

01:37:14.740 and being more conservative and more traditional the hymns and and psalms is going to be uh the

01:37:20.340 most honoring to god in that particular setting the bible says we have to worship god in spirit and in

01:37:25.380 truth and to me you know we don't want to like incorporate too much of the flesh and too much of

01:37:30.580 carnality into a worship of of a spiritual being so yeah i can i get that but like in my own personal

01:37:37.380 life and out in the world like do i really care about the style of music now i mean some people

01:37:41.940 are like oh this specific pattern is a satanic you know pattern or or whatever i don't really

01:37:46.580 go down those roads i don't really agree with that all right all right i did you had something else to

01:37:52.420 say about the church because we i kind of derailed you um no no i just um yeah i think you uh did we

01:37:59.860 want to get into like the uh sorry excuse me trinity doctrine like you're definitely um not into the

01:38:05.860 the whole god is one thing i'm guessing oh he just said yeah no but do you want to elaborate

01:38:10.820 on that a little bit like why it's yeah i mean essentially for salvation oneness is a big deal

01:38:15.220 we've had oneness heretics in our churches we've had to kick out um you know this is a modalism

01:38:20.180 doctrine it isn't some pentecostals there is what's called oneness pentecostals and they do deny the

01:38:25.620 trinity um most pentecostals still affirm the trinity most christians do but even the catholics i don't

01:38:32.740 really agree with their view on the trinity because they they have this idea of divine simplicity

01:38:38.260 and um i don't i don't adhere to that i don't hear even their hypostatic union which sounds good

01:38:43.780 on the surface typically when they dive into it i think that there's probably even problems with

01:38:47.380 that as well so again i believe you know god is consistent of three persons father son holy spirit

01:38:52.420 these three have always existed they're co-eternal um and you know jesus is uh deity and god the

01:38:59.700 father is deity but they're not each other the father is separate from the son i believe they

01:39:04.500 interact with each other love each other communicate with each other i do think they

01:39:07.460 have their own minds and wills but they're in perfect unity with one another so you're never

01:39:12.420 going to have a disagreement between the father and the son and the son always submits to the father

01:39:17.060 and they both share all the divine attributes but i do believe that there is a distinction between

01:39:21.540 the father and the son that goes beyond just name only i think that they really do love each

01:39:26.740 other i think they do really interact and i do believe that jesus christ literally created the

01:39:31.060 entire world um the bible describes him as the creator in colossians chapter one and then he

01:39:35.780 entered into his own creation which is what we know as the incarnation and the bible says the word

01:39:41.780 became flesh and dwelt among us and he went through a true human experience he also died went to hell for

01:39:46.980 three days and three nights rose again and that's the climax of the entire story of the universe is the

01:39:51.940 gospel the death bar and resurrection of jesus christ and that salvation is only satisfied

01:39:56.020 through faith in what jesus did for us not good works repenting of your sin turning over a new leaf

01:40:01.220 but simply just faith in what jesus did for you as the only payment for your salvation

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01:40:37.620 official gym of hockey canada not to go down a irrelevant rap uh rabbit trail but um so i noticed that you

01:40:44.180 said he went into hell three days and three nights so do you reject the idea that he died on like a

01:40:48.260 friday afternoon and rose on a sunday morning where do you how do you it's actually thursday

01:40:52.340 yeah i wrote i made an entire chart so he died on thursday at uh 3 p.m approximately in the third hour

01:40:59.780 and then he was in the grave for three days and three nights as the text actually says because

01:41:03.780 catholics are wrong they can't count to three and basically he was he was dead for the thursday night

01:41:10.020 or it was actually day he was part of the day thursday day and then thursday night and then friday

01:41:14.260 day friday night saturday day saturday night and he rose so you have three days and three nights if

01:41:18.260 it's friday you can't actually get three days and three nights and jesus said for as jonas was three

01:41:22.180 days and three nights in the well's belly so so the son of man be three days and three nights in the

01:41:25.220 heart of the earth so jesus christ uh actually did die on that thursday which also it's important for

01:41:31.860 lots of events because the 10th day of the month they showed the lamb that's where jesus christ

01:41:38.260 had his triumphal entry then you have the the last supper which is on wednesday so wednesday was the

01:41:44.100 last supper and then thursday they would have killed all their their passover sacrifice lambs

01:41:49.620 that's when jesus was killed and then he was buried he was in the grave and then early on the first day

01:41:54.900 of the week he rose and so you have jesus christ's death burn resurrection as being three days three nights

01:41:59.700 in the heart of the earth he rose early on the first day of the week catholics are wrong on friday

01:42:04.260 uh timeline interesting good thursday i got i got one more question that i'm i want to respect your

01:42:11.220 time and get you out of here um just pertaining to like the post post-millennialism uh and the

01:42:16.020 little season people it's a it's a question that i'm i've been struggling with uh is there precedent for

01:42:23.860 the holy spirit being on the earth at the same time as jesus and if that's the case because it seems

01:42:32.500 like jesus had to go for the holy spirit to come and then revelation says that there's a restraint

01:42:38.980 he's taken away then all hell breaks loose yeah just pull up second thessalonians chapter number two

01:42:45.380 because they're totally misinterpreting this revelation obviously yeah i think that the holy

01:42:51.220 spirit can obviously be in multiple places at the same time because he inhabits every saved believer

01:42:55.940 the bible describes everybody that's saved is being sealed with the holy spirit of promise

01:43:00.420 um the bible also describes him as being the guider of all truth so every person that's saved has the

01:43:04.580 holy spirit inside of him um you know i liken him a little bit under fire i think that's what the bible

01:43:09.380 does as well to help us understand like just if i light a fire like light a lighter and i have fire

01:43:14.660 you can light a liar wherever you're at and you have fire too so we can both have fire at the same time

01:43:19.300 it's like two instances of fire so i think that the holy ghost can be in multiple places at the same time

01:43:24.180 i think that it's more about and again that's a difficult passage like why does jesus say like i

01:43:29.060 have to go that i have and then i can send the comforter and blah blah blah i i would have to

01:43:34.580 think harder about that but i don't think it's because the holy spirit and jesus can't be in the

01:43:39.380 same place at the same time they're obviously in heaven at the same time the bible says for there

01:43:42.820 are three that bear record in heaven the father the word and the holy ghost and these three are one so

01:43:46.100 they can be obviously they can be in the same place at the same time because jesus christ is filled with

01:43:49.700 the spirit the holy spirit descends like a dove upon jesus christ and and comes upon him in a mighty

01:43:54.660 way and we also have the spirit of god on many people while they're there with jesus he breathes

01:43:59.780 on them the holy ghost so you couldn't say that they can't be there at the same time that would be just

01:44:04.340 scripturally inaccurate but second thessalonians chapter number two the passage that people allude to

01:44:08.820 for the preacher of rapture or or or other views too because it's not limited to your preterist view

01:44:13.780 they'll try to say that the he that is taken out of the way is the holy spirit this is false it's

01:44:18.340 obviously the antichrist and if we read just a few of those verses it becomes really clear

01:44:22.020 sure where are we starting let's go back down okay so it says in verse number six and you know that

01:44:29.220 or you know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time again just for sake of time

01:44:35.220 the revealing is the revealing of the son of perdition the the antichrist being revealed so

01:44:40.500 we know that he's going to be revealed verse seven for the mystery of iniquity doth already work

01:44:46.500 only he who now letteth will let until he be taken out of the way so this is what's crazy like the he

01:44:53.140 being revealed in verse six is obviously in reference to the antichrist verse seven is the

01:44:57.940 mystery of a quote iniquity and then again it's like only he who will who now letteth will let until

01:45:05.220 he be taken out of the way and then shall that wicked be revealed so what the bible is describing is

01:45:10.260 is the antichrist is a real person he's going to live and breathe he's going to conquer the world

01:45:15.380 in three and a half years he's going to be that horseman riding through and conquering he's been

01:45:19.540 given a crown to conquer and to conquer and he conquers the whole world he's going to then be

01:45:24.100 in jerusalem and he's going to receive a deadly mark that's where the he now letteth will let so

01:45:29.780 he's going to die he's going to receive a deadly wound into his eye so i see a lot of symbolism in

01:45:33.940 hollywood about this after three days and three nights he's going to come back to life physically

01:45:38.820 but it's also going to be the ant it's going to be the antichrist being inhabited by the devil himself

01:45:43.220 and that's his quote revealing because he's going to then declare himself god he's going to say i'm

01:45:48.340 god he's going to sit in the temple of god declaring himself to be god he's going to set up the

01:45:52.420 abomination of desolation and he's going to be saying this before he wasn't saying he's god before

01:45:57.140 he's just a charismatic leader leading some kind of a zionist probably propaganda war he's going to

01:46:03.700 probably just he's probably going to destroy all of islam i think the war is going to be basically

01:46:07.060 islam islam is going to be destroyed in the first three and a half years at that point if you think

01:46:10.580 about it how would we even have war anymore there's no war in the middle east islam is gone

01:46:16.260 right but he's going to be killed and as a result of his death he rises declares himself god and he's

01:46:23.140 basically mocking the things of god if you think about it the devil's an imitator he's not an

01:46:27.060 originator he's just copying what the bible says so he's trying to mock jesus's death burial and

01:46:31.620 resurrection with his little death three day coming back and and then just saying hey i'm god you got to

01:46:38.260 worship me he's going to twist passages in ezekiel that talk about people receiving the mark of their

01:46:43.060 father and their forehead and hand to then declare everybody receive a mark in their forehand or in

01:46:47.700 their head which is going to be his nut his name which is 666 and that's where you're going to have

01:46:51.860 that great tribulation period there's no mention of the holy spirit in second thessalonians chapter

01:46:56.100 number two it's talking about the man of sin being revealed it says he's going to be revealed in his

01:47:00.500 time then it says the mystery of iniquity then in the next verse it says and then that wicked shall be

01:47:04.900 revealed inserting the holy ghost in that passage is just it is devoid of all context makes no sense

01:47:11.300 has no reality whatsoever and the holy spirit will still be on the earth because it'll be in all the

01:47:15.780 saved christians that are going to have to go through this great tribulation period so all right

01:47:19.620 though thanks for clear i was just asking because the people who do think that jesus already returned

01:47:24.900 and then left i'm like well if there is precedent for one being on what happened here no it's just uh the

01:47:32.260 tv is just okay it's still going can you hear us yeah yeah yeah you're good okay sorry our monitor

01:47:37.940 switched off but if there is precedent for uh one being here and the other one not being here like

01:47:42.500 they kind of like one on earth at a time then i asked them like you know well where's the holy

01:47:47.140 spirit been for the last however long that they think the little season has been operating because i

01:47:52.420 think the holy spirit is in operation today and uh so but whatever that argument's thrown out that's

01:47:57.460 that's what i was asking to clear up that scripture specifically because it was kind of confusing me

01:48:02.660 yeah i'd like to know where the locusts from hell where where was where was this comment that made

01:48:07.540 all the waters wormwood you know bitter and it's like you know it's like this preterist view and all

01:48:13.220 this kind of stuff they they really just bastardize revelation and make it just nonsensical because

01:48:17.860 none of that happened there's nowhere they can point to um why did we go through the dark ages

01:48:22.900 like where was this where was the thousand year where christ was actually ruling and reigning

01:48:26.980 on the earth because we understand church history is a is an inversion and that that

01:48:31.140 was actually an obfuscation that that was you know enlightenment and that um history teaches us

01:48:37.060 it was the dark clear up i i agree yeah yeah i i agree with with your side of it well with the

01:48:44.820 traditional side of it we're friends with the guy who wrote the book that's debunking it but this

01:48:49.860 argument's just been coming up more and more and more and besides like you know all the mountains

01:48:53.540 being flattened like i mean there's a number of things where you can point to you know where are

01:48:58.420 you getting this from i just had that question i was like well if man it seems like if the holy

01:49:03.060 spirit has to go for the holy spirit i mean jesus has to go and then the holy spirit comes like does

01:49:07.780 that does that happen again and it's like because if that's the case then what's happening today

01:49:12.180 people are are being filled with the holy spirit constantly and i'd like to see them argue that but

01:49:16.180 if that's not the case it's not the case we'll let it die i just had that uh weird yeah i didn't

01:49:19.860 mean i just just to throw a stab in the dark i mean the bible the bible's describing jesus christ

01:49:24.900 after he dies and rises again that he has to ascend to his father and he has to actually place his blood

01:49:31.060 on the mercy seat and that's the once for all sacrifice and here's the thing this is how i would

01:49:36.900 articulate it i'll be willing to change my mind but the reason why he's making that statement is that

01:49:41.700 you can't enter into a new covenant until there's the death of the testator the bible's really clear and

01:49:45.860 then moses sprinkled the children of israel with blood and that's how they were entered into that

01:49:50.020 first covenant so it's like not until the blood has been applied to the mercy seat in the altar in

01:49:55.860 heaven can we like maybe officially enter into this new testament covenant and then that's when we can

01:50:00.660 be sealed with the holy spirit because this is a change from the old of the new testament testament

01:50:04.580 where the holy spirit actually dwells inside of us and so perhaps that's why he's saying i have to go

01:50:10.500 so that then you can now have the comforter but he's the one that comes back and breathes on the

01:50:15.780 disciples and says receive ye the holy ghost so like how could you say they're not both simultaneously

01:50:21.220 there when he performs that particular action yeah i think it's just a twisting day of pentecost

01:50:26.980 uh was a very specific thing that he went back and shed forth that from that gift from the father

01:50:31.700 like that was a very specific thing okay which doesn't mean they couldn't be in the same place at

01:50:35.700 the same time it was just a very specific thing that i'm not just asking a question geez it's okay

01:50:43.220 you're doing great we're allowed to ask questions you're incredibly not nasty to this nice guy i kind

01:50:49.140 of which was very nice of you yeah actually honestly i've been nasty at all yeah i mean you caught him on

01:50:55.300 one day dude this is actually shocking i don't have a history these guys are these guys are assholes

01:51:00.340 thank you for your time man um can you tell the people again where they can find you where they can

01:51:04.500 follow you your ministry all the stuff that you're doing dude yeah if you want to check our podcast

01:51:09.140 baptist bias.com if you want to check our church sbckjv.com uh that's our website for steadfast baptist

01:51:16.980 church really if you type in pastor shelley steadfast baptist bias you're pretty much going to find us

01:51:23.220 we're going to be the top results probably a negative article saying that we hate fags or something but

01:51:28.100 uh that's okay well if you keep calling him that yeah come on yeah yeah yeah obviously obviously i'm

01:51:36.900 a band for a reason so um yeah at the end of the day you know it's it's it's difficult to get truth

01:51:42.980 out there and uh i appreciate you guys you know giving me an opportunity to talk to you guys you

01:51:47.380 guys have been really friendly uh so i appreciate the conversation would love to do it again well thank

01:51:53.380 you for your time dude this is uh this has been a good episode i appreciate it yeah man thank you um

01:51:58.580 guys thanks for watching it's been a great week we're off we're off this week but until next time

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Sons of Seth w⧸ Pastor Jonathan Shelley

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