00:04:57.200Austin, before we get into all the stuff that we have to talk about,0.97
00:05:00.740tell everybody about all the awesome shit you're working on.0.82
00:05:04.080Man, you boys know how much I appreciate you as always.0.93
00:05:07.620And I'm very excited to come to Brohimi again because really,
00:05:12.640like i told you guys the last time it was one of those it was one of those like
00:05:17.900and just ultimately inspiring moments that that kind of proved we were on the right path
00:05:25.080everyone everything that we had sort of been working for and working toward really kind of
00:05:31.000came to fruition and manifested in a real way yeah it's almost we almost manifested a race war
00:05:37.040um did you meet jake shields at bro grove no you met him before no it was actually well you you
00:05:43.800guys helped kind of uh make that happen if you remember it was just before that uh prior bro
00:05:49.520grove oh that's right yeah he had like i think he had tweeted about the finders or something to
00:05:55.720that effect that was very similar and and i i remember you uh jumping in the chat and instantly
00:06:01.360suggesting that me and Jose go on was instantly how it really began to just kind of take on some
00:06:11.480feet and start running in a real way. And we got some traction in terms of like him reaching out
00:06:16.160and legitimately considering having the conversation. And then very quickly, it kind of
00:06:21.080escalated after we discussed specifically, it was like the Oklahoma City bombing and the finders
00:06:27.340when we went on that first time, I think Jose kind of took point on OKC.
00:06:31.760And then I was just trying to kind of help reinforce a lot of what he was saying from
00:06:36.620from my past research on Oklahoma City.
00:06:39.400And then obviously we did another episode on the finders that that I kind of took point
00:06:45.380in that sort of, you know, presentation of that case.
00:06:49.300And and really, I felt like through that process of just like getting to know Jake over the
00:06:55.400course of i think that time we only filmed that one day in total but still we filmed like both
00:07:03.280episodes back to back just took a short break between and then we just kind of like went out
00:07:08.640and uh went out to a couple of the casinos afterward i believe but it was a lot of fun
00:07:14.420because i remember genuinely getting to uh kind of get to know jake and and also his producer which
00:07:22.560is a really nice guy and honestly uh he's they're both so much fun to have conversations with it's
00:07:28.520like the content never ends it's like the discussion just continues on uh infinitely you
00:07:34.120know at infinitum in reality and it's just kind of never ending but to see the genuine like um
00:07:40.880just the genuine just willingness to to be introduced to new concepts and and ideas and
00:07:49.620And also reinforcing, let's just say, evidentiary connections and paths of just revealing the fact that so much of what we discuss in terms of, again, I mentioned the finders.
00:08:04.060And just, I mean, I just recently went back to discuss John Wayne Gacy and the Odyssey Foundation and this sort of serial killer concept of these strange serial killers at the time.
00:08:17.580obviously it was it was not only John Wayne Gacy but you have Wayne Williams of the Atlanta child
00:08:23.240murders which is one of my recent episodes that I covered as well on my solo projects but the point
00:08:29.420was is that I kind of was pitching to him an idea of what I had been introduced to in the recent
00:08:34.640past from reading like I have the chicken hawk by Simon Dovey and things of that nature that really
00:08:39.420proves that many of these serial killers were essentially low-hanging fruit almost kidnappers
00:08:46.820or abductors for a network of sexual blackmail,
00:08:57.420And honestly, okay, I don't mean to belabor the point.
00:09:02.060The entire concept and crux of what I'm getting to
00:09:06.300is basically the willingness to be introduced
00:09:09.700to these concepts, but then also to take these details
00:09:14.840And kind of, as I said, like, it's almost like he approaches the conspiracy realm of just kind of not technically only conspiracy, obviously, it's conspiracy parapolitics.
00:09:29.240it's however this kind of permanent establishment reveals itself right but it's interesting to me
00:09:36.820because it almost is it is is as if jake kind of approaches this intellectual growth process in
00:09:45.300the same way he approached his ufc fighting uh career you know it's like and not just ufc but
00:09:51.140obviously his mma fighting career and and it's interesting because it'll almost be like he takes
00:09:57.940this information goes to the gym and then comes out the other side and obsessively uh you know
00:10:03.700um basically embracing so much of of what you introduced him to and then honestly kind of
00:10:11.020almost uh in a real way he introduced me to some concepts that i was unaware of and and things of
00:10:17.660that nature so it was just like it was a very interesting uh he is a he's a fascinating guy in
00:10:22.960that way right because i don't think he was always in fact i i could almost say he wasn't
00:10:29.140always a conspiracy guy at all he jumped in in the deep end which is he jumped in the deep end
00:10:34.060and he jumped in very publicly yes and so we we've watched the development of a dude and0.99
00:10:40.420some people you know when you're introduced to everything that you believe is a fucking lie0.98
00:10:45.660they lose their mind they lose their mind but yeah jake's been punched in the face so many times1.00
00:10:50.080that it's really like a big deal to him he's just like all right yeah fucking i guess the jews are0.99
00:10:54.920running everything and then you go well maybe there's some more nuance to that and he goes0.98
00:10:58.520all right i guess there's fucking more nuance to that and he just keeps going yeah and so i respect
00:11:02.900that i really like that about him yeah yeah a lot of people do get stuck on the jew stuff so like
00:11:07.260when you're presenting this stuff which is very uh it's deep and i mean i guess you could draw it
00:11:13.140back to the jews in some way but like even even listening listening to it and giving it giving it
00:11:21.700its fair share yeah it's fair time on stage is like uh i commend i commend him for doing it's0.99
00:11:27.820a remarkable experiment in in human psychology to watch i mean they used to mk ultra people with0.90
00:11:33.820this type of shit you know and now we just got a guy that's doing it to himself and he's like yeah
00:11:38.160you can watch it was so funny i do it to myself it was so funny because jake basically the first0.99
00:11:45.260night he calls me we're just going to discuss like i don't know potential options right topics
00:11:50.880that that we might uh that we might be willing to present whenever i went to vegas and and we
00:11:56.720were considering filming you know at least i think overall we did almost six hours of content which
00:12:02.820was awesome. And again, I couldn't be more grateful, you know, put me up in a hotel for
00:12:08.800a couple of days. And, and, you know, as like, as soon as I got there, I think it was, it was
00:12:15.400kind of a strange experience because it's interesting. He's a very obsessive person as
00:12:20.260well. And it's almost as if you, you can't, you, you can't find the time to even eat properly and
00:12:26.380have have the schedule that is necessary to to be almost uh uh just a healthy functioning human
00:12:33.620being right it's definitely yeah so this was the son of sam episode that dropped yesterday actually
00:12:39.980oh it's a two-parter huh yeah so we did two long form episodes which were over two hours
00:12:47.780this was the second one we did on day two which we actually filmed in studio
00:12:52.820um but the other content we filmed was actually uh just kind of at the the studio the apartment
00:12:59.920that they have a studio in essentially and and so we were doing they have like this big screen and
00:13:06.380and you just sit on the couch next to jake and basically kind of uh either do reactionary videos
00:13:11.600and and discuss what what you just watched or that's fun yeah it was kind of fun so we did
00:13:17.260i don't know maybe four or five of those which were around 20 minutes a piece and
00:13:21.300And then we did the very first thing that we recorded was what I had kind of first introduced him to when he called, which was so funny to have him kind of express his reaction in the moment, like internally.
00:13:34.340I didn't know how exactly he personally reacted until I got there and we're discussing, you know, how I introduced him originally to this idea and concept of of the Odyssey Foundation, John David Norman, which which I believe is the crux and link to John Wayne Gacy, PDM contractors, Phil Paskey, the Ripper crew.
00:13:55.940It's basically the Satanist serial killer syndicate. It's fascinating. And for people to not be aware that that so much of what they were a part of and engaged in was was not only, you know, yes, procuring and abducting children to unfortunately traumatically torture to death in some sort of recorded snuff film enterprise to then facilitate and distribute the snuff in regard to the network, which they were even promoting these options.
00:14:52.640whenever you realize what Wayne Williams was technically doing, he was promoting this talent
00:14:58.180recruitment agency that really was just him in reality. But he was promoting it as if he could
00:15:06.300turn young black boys into the next Michael Jackson, right? And so this is how he was actually
00:15:12.200procuring the young boys. And so the boys in the Atlanta child murders were actually engaged in
00:15:18.760drug trafficking some of the the kids that were uh involved in in uh selling drugs on behalf of
00:15:25.480the enterprise were also helping procure other young children which is usually how this goes
00:15:31.240and is typical in terms of the overall playbook and and so beyond that some of the boys were
00:15:38.680holding back the drug proceeds right whatever profits they were making uh off of off of selling
00:15:45.080I forget, it wasn't just one specific substance, obviously, that they were trafficking and distributing.
00:15:52.800But the boys that were being caught holding back the profits were then effectively ritualistically sacrificed on Indian burial grounds with an MC club running security outside the perimeter.
00:16:10.660And the same thing was happening at Untermyer Park and in Yonkers with the Son of Sam case.
00:16:15.080The basically the process church just uprooted after the David Berkowitz case and and geographically relocated to Atlanta just before the Atlanta child murders.
00:16:24.280Right. So and this all comes up with Shirley McGill is technically the the criminal witness that that goes on record, you know, basically claiming that she was she was a secretary for the cult.
00:16:38.520and um she even uh technically went on record claiming that she witnessed some of the child
00:16:44.720victims be taken to this indian burial ground property where they would then which was near
00:16:49.860it was near a body of water very very much similar to the west memphis three case right it's like this
00:16:55.780new age occult um what's it's like a rebirth right where the body of water is necessary
00:17:01.540and it's also i thought it's fascinating yeah truly it really is but a baptism in blood a
00:17:08.940baptism and this is black magic this is kind of uh an entirely different which ritualistic
00:17:15.220practice obviously that that is in no way uh in regard to like a godly pursuit it's the inverted
00:17:22.380exactly it's an inversion well well how before we go any further um where can people find you
00:17:28.800well wait really quickly though that uh before you do that uh it's just something that we talk
00:17:36.080on this show a lot um the idea that these uh religious ceremonies that are done within
00:17:42.700christianity any other religions as well they're done for a reason because they do work and a lot
00:17:47.360of them do mimic some of the things that we'll do in christianity as well like uh owen benjamin's
00:17:52.140actually doing some very funny stuff talking about charlie kirk and uh his body oh my god yeah what0.68
00:17:57.860the fuck going on bro tommy um i like this dude tommy uh keep going i just i want to shout this0.66
00:18:05.340guy out but i gotta find him first oh tommy burham uh he made a very similar joke like observation0.99
00:18:11.620a couple of years ago and um and now that owen has like so boldly said this thing out loud and0.93
00:18:18.260now he's hammering it yeah it's like whoa does this shit have some legs dude like it's it's one0.96
00:18:23.600of those things i just commented on i said this is one of those things online where we'll we'll0.99
00:18:28.260look back in a few years and go oh fuck yeah it's probably real like so he's just he's saying hey we0.68
00:18:34.380don't know where charlie kirk is buried we know where limsey graham is buried um and we don't0.98
00:18:39.840know what happened with the body bro then he goes these guys have a proclivity to after they kill
00:18:45.780something they eat it which is like a cannibalistic tendency but it's a spiritualistic right
00:18:51.360and it's mimicked in in the sacraments that jesus presented this is my body this is my blood eat
00:18:57.380this do this in remembrance of me the jews were extremely offended that he said to do that well
00:19:02.020look because what tommy said check this out doing this tommy said charlie's security team this was
00:19:07.300okay this is uh charlie's security team ate him had blood all over their faces and mouths when
00:19:12.580they got to the hospital what the and their explanation is that they tore gauze packs open
00:19:17.640with their teeth stop wow okay maybe maybe bro the idea that they took this dude off the scene
00:19:23.680and then just started eating him is the most i mean like dude this is nephilim death squad so
00:19:28.880i'm totally comfortable being in this i am not comfortable with it because i feel like makes me0.64
00:19:33.460go whoa yeah they fucking just took this dude away imagine is and he's still alive i mean what0.72
00:19:40.680are you doing charlie's security team his all that all that i know is that i i remember0.94
00:19:47.760when i was covering pizzagate i believe it was and oh man i have to actually i have to actually
00:19:54.840pull this um this video of this was one of the reactionary videos that we did uh when i went to
00:20:01.200vegas with jake which i just recently saw a video of jfk jr when he was basically running against
00:20:09.240hillary clinton just before he dies right and he's on the jay leno show and he is referencing
00:20:16.680a poem that nine-year-old monica lewinski would write oh yeah did you see this yeah i didn't
00:20:25.120realize that it was called illumination was the name of the poem brother and and when when i was
00:20:33.080in vegas uh it was uh i think it was ron that noticed like illumination right was the name of
00:20:39.840the poem i didn't it didn't even register but in reality it's like honestly what nine-year-old
00:20:46.680is is authoring a poem called illumination right and and then to actually describe themselves
00:20:53.240a nine-year-old describe herself as as a a pizza right which again and jerry seinfeld's there right
00:21:01.760which which very questionable in terms of uh you know the the just moral principles and and uh
00:21:08.420potential pedophilia the interesting uh the minions you know the the little minion guys
00:21:13.920their studio is illumination studios it's kind of okay well we're getting into the we we gotta0.88
00:21:19.600get fucking it might be a loose cold idea of nickelodeon with the island and all this
00:21:25.900You guys were talking about this cannibalism concept.0.99
00:21:31.340And when I when I covered Pizzagate, it was I was introduced to something known as the Cannibal Club.
00:21:37.060And this this is an alleged elite private restaurant in Los Angeles where you can legitimately they had basically they were serving human meat.
00:21:49.120Right. And so the concept was they had they had potential evidence.
00:21:55.900that proved they had contracts with local morgues right too and also also planned parenthood was
00:22:04.260yes yes so so this is allegedly this is in la and it's a cannibal restaurant restaurant which
00:22:12.460this is again it was i think originally an article was published in like 2018 which is when i when i
00:22:19.140first discovered this concept. And allegedly, it's a debunked private pizza menu. But again,
00:22:26.580they claim the very same in regard to the Comet Ping Pong Pizza menu that I had discovered as well0.63
00:22:31.280that seemed to have presented high profile pedophile clients with like this disgusting
00:22:36.360terminology in order to effectively order, you know, essentially even to order snuff, right,
00:22:45.400is really what it was. They were using pedophile language in order to kind of skirt that plausible
00:22:51.900deniability aspect of things. But understanding after the FBI revealed the pedophile coded
00:22:59.960language and things of that nature, and the symbols as well, became proof positive that
00:23:06.320if you attempted to translate this, it would effectively become one of the most sinister and
00:23:12.260sadistic uh you know opportunistic windows into how this this network effectively you know
00:23:19.000facilitated the victims to the the high profile clients and so and also what they were promoting
00:23:26.380like in terms of the network and the enterprise uh that was specifically in regard to comet ping
00:23:32.080pong but not just comet ping pong it was best as well best of pizza but anyway the point being is
00:23:37.980that there's this leaked Cannibal Club document, basically. And it's been memory hold. I archived
00:23:46.140it at the very least, just for reference. But there's a restaurant that claims to have these
00:23:52.940elite clients that included Chelsea Clinton, CNN's Anderson Cooper, right? And so you look
00:24:00.000into this. And basically, Katy Perry's name was on this high profile client list. And there was
00:24:08.300basically this is, and apparently this is very much been operating under the radar in Los Angeles
00:24:16.280for far too long. And again, it's private access only. So you have to actually be on the list to
00:24:24.100even gain entry into the establishment right so this is uh uh interesting in itself but still
00:24:29.920cannibalism seems to be far more popular than people are aware is the point being right oh yeah
00:24:35.840yeah and and human flesh is considered by many of these occultists to basically be uh the best
00:24:43.360form of meat that you can that that you can basically um yeah it's it's fascinating but
00:24:51.820they claim that basically this is a cutting edge experimental cuisine, right? And the way in which
00:24:58.300they would promote it was only to serve LA's cultural elite. And this basically specialized
00:25:05.060in the preparation of human meat. And they would say it came from young and healthy bodies, right?
00:25:10.420So cannibal clubs, visiting chefs hail from around the world and come to LA to practice
00:25:14.940their craft free of compromise and unbounded by convention. So the brief website that we're
00:25:21.260giving basically provided a an opportunity to to briefly glimpse before it was memory hold in its
00:25:28.460entirety and then archived on internet archive and archive.is and a few others is basically
00:25:34.380our exclusive clientele includes noted filmmakers intellectuals and celebrities who have embraced
00:25:40.780the enlightenment ideals of free expression and rationalism on event nights avant-garde performance
00:25:47.880artists celebrated literary figures and groundbreaking musicians entertain our guests
00:25:53.200at cannibal club we celebrate artistic excellence as the natural and inevitable expression of the
00:25:59.020unbridled human spirit describing each dish as a study and taste and elegance chef de cuisine
00:29:19.540uh the patreon's the best place to support me patreon.com slash the underclass podcast and
00:29:24.840and uh i think we just did episode 65 of whatever this is that's right man it's nothing but a
00:29:32.600blessing to to be able to sit down on a weekly basis with those two sam and and brad and really
00:29:40.180for me it's it's kind of uh it's not only surreal but it was so strange like for example whenever
00:29:48.660the white house card right the ufc white house card happened just recently um it was just after
00:29:54.960the card and the the whole time i'm basically watching the the ufc white house card um i'm
00:30:02.480sam's texting us right the the entire time so i'm basically breaking down the card live with sam
00:30:08.060thinking okay we're probably doing whatever this is tonight and so then sure enough as soon as the
00:30:13.680White House card ended he's or just before he asked us to do a show and so it was just a it
00:30:21.020was a blessing to think the following day I get a call from Jake right and so then I'm sitting
00:30:26.880there talking to Jake about the White House card just breaking down what we thought about it you
00:30:31.580know each of the fights and things of that nature and and I just thought like that was one of those
00:30:36.620moments you know it's like that where you really have to sit back and appreciate life for a brief0.70
00:30:41.480moment like how the fuck did i even get here you know what i mean like in a real question what is0.58
00:30:46.900the what is that show about is it it's not necessarily conspiracy deep that you you're0.82
00:30:51.440breaking down ufc cards too yeah yeah which that that's definitely you never know where where the
00:30:58.320show will go and that's that's another thing that's so beautiful about it um but yeah it's
00:31:03.660it's uh you know we started with with this past week i think it was um um we instantly started0.97
00:31:11.140with the fact that that sam fucking shaved his beard and he's he's only got a dirty sanchez now0.84
00:31:17.100dude and uh and so we we had to instantly acknowledge that but then we we got into0.98
00:31:23.320uh the odyssey christopher nolan's odyssey and and his most recent adaptation right and and i
00:31:29.900have to say when whenever i saw sam out there uh vehemently promoting how much are they paying you
00:31:37.680sam yeah i'm like not sam i thought he was legitimately trolling at first and then i saw
00:31:43.420johnny basically go and reinforce what he was saying and uh oh and by the way i have to say
00:31:49.480uh congratulations to you guys for for mount crushmore dude uh you know that's that's uh
00:31:55.840legendary yeah of course and i thought it was funny because i almost told him i'll have to
00:32:01.500him at some point but i was like when i saw the ballot i was like yo i have personal resentment
00:32:08.640bitterness building up this current moment i'm like how the fuck was i not you had to write my
00:32:14.000name into the ballot i just thought it was funny i was like how your name wasn't even listed it0.97
00:32:19.720wasn't even listed bro wait for for uh mount crushmore oh that's insane yeah that was one
00:32:25.680of the people it was like him ed mabry dr heather lynn and maybe like two other people uh that i
00:32:32.540thought should have been you know obviously in in the running uh why the hell was your name that
00:32:38.200that's crazy that's the only issue that i had i'm like yo i'm taking this up with johnny i think
00:32:44.140johnny's got a problem i think they did they did a wrong way of voting um it was like a rank choice
00:32:50.640vote so what happened is people a lot of people picked our show i guess we came out on top and
00:32:56.400then the two three and four people were people who were like associated with us but in the
00:33:01.300spiritual conspiracy kind of so like merkel which i really appreciate it i like that i think it's a
00:33:06.160huge win for christ yeah but i would have liked to have uh you on there rather than merkel i mean
00:33:12.440honestly should have been there not us i dude uh it's it's uh it's a beautiful thing honestly0.99
00:33:20.600i just thought it was funny whenever i went into the ballot i'm like you son of a bitch0.98
00:33:24.640i almost texted him right there i'm like yo this is as rigged as the la mayoral election like what0.99
00:33:30.140are we doing here i've been sending him uh horrifying things every day i don't know if
00:33:34.580you've seen this um but i send sam because sam notoriously doesn't answer text messages back
00:33:39.820if you call him he'll pick up the phone but he doesn't answer text messages and um so every day
00:33:44.340i've been sending him a grotesque image like some sort of horrifying meme today i sent him
00:33:48.940a picture of a hot dog on all fours with something oozing out of its hot dog colon
00:33:53.380and uh and every day i just send him something with no context to see what he says about it so
00:33:59.440far he said nothing actually the first one i sent him was uh uh somebody getting their foreskin
00:34:05.260caught in a zipper yeah i thought that's the one i thought he goes he goes uh what's that
00:34:11.820and i go it's a guy getting his horse getting caught in a zipper sam yeah anyway sam doesn't0.56
00:34:20.260talk to us anymore oh my god sam is uh disavowed us uh did we did we do plugs i had to go pee
00:34:27.180i don't remember i'm pretty sure i did i'm pretty good uh and and by the way i was just joking
00:34:32.360obviously i i threw johnny under the bus the other day because he he basically was out there0.94
00:34:38.700promoting the odyssey and i'm like you son of a bitch and and so essentially i don't you know i0.97
00:34:44.360have no dog in this fight i don't give a shit i just think the the pop culture uh concepts and0.98
00:34:50.260value to the the iliad and the odyssey are being absolutely you know strategically undermined by0.93
00:34:56.960this adaptation of Christopher Nolan. And I will say, you know, people should be far more aware
00:35:03.040of John David Norman's Odyssey Foundation than this ridiculous Christopher Nolan version of a
00:35:08.560godforsaken adaptation of the Odyssey, right? Which is something that I said recently. And again,
00:35:15.060this is something I thought we might touch on for a brief moment. But I should say as well that,
00:35:21.180that's um you know in in no i just i kind of thought in regard to because it seems like
00:35:27.800there's this duality playing out you have to be on in one camp or the other right in regard to
00:35:32.940reacting to this film and you know for me whenever you realize that that basically it's all based on
00:35:40.280your politics or societal conditioning going in that most of us have already been largely
00:35:46.620predisposed and preconditioned to embrace a certain side as i said before and it's like
00:35:51.980before you even get into the theater you know you've already broadly made up your mind and
00:35:57.760decided if you love or hate this film and and uh without even watching it and so that is necessary
00:36:04.820for people to realize the escalating culture war and how it's constantly kind of uh you know
00:36:09.860how they will effectively exploit that and leverage that to their benefit in terms of the
00:36:15.580permanent establishment and and the mind war operatives and psychological engineers you know
00:36:20.620it's like this is just the way it goes and and i saw that someone reacted to because i did a solo
00:36:26.500stream last saturday not this last saturday but saturday before and i it was just as the odyssey
00:36:33.600dropped right and i kind of discussed it briefly and obviously it was the casting decisions like
00:36:37.840the helen of troy and and the uh even travis scott being like an ancient greek poet who's
00:36:43.080it's my understanding that uh helen of troy and um and emma page were like not or whatever the
00:36:50.600hell what i don't know what her name is elliot page what was what the hell was its original name
00:36:56.900uh ellen right wasn't ellen page yeah yeah i'm gonna dead name her uh so they're only there for
00:37:05.900like like two to three minutes time each and there's even this implication possibly i don't
00:37:12.920know if i saw johnny saying this that you know christopher nolan might have disdain for the
00:37:16.860whole dei operation thing and and that it's kind of evident by the treatment of those characters
00:37:21.540but i don't believe that for a second come out and say something recently that was like
00:37:25.120oh i had to change the ending or change the way that the housemaids or something like that were
00:37:32.260treated in the film because in the in the story of the odyssey it's just too misogynistic the way
00:37:38.240that they were treated and so i i altered i believe it was who comes basically punishes
00:37:44.06012 housemaids or something who who were you know uh essentially they had betrayed the home the
00:37:51.940house right penelope and and ulysses or odysseus right they had betrayed the home over the past
00:37:57.54020 years throughout that process of these, you know, men throwing themselves at Penelope to
00:38:03.920essentially, right, control all that was Odysseus or Ulysses, his kingdom, you know, in a real sense.
00:38:12.700But the point is, is that, yes, he definitely did these disloyal maidservants or whatever they were,
00:38:19.100right, where he changed the entire ending in a real sense. And he did claim it was basically
00:38:24.040because it was so grim and misogynistic was the term that he utilized right and i have way more
00:38:30.400of an issue in regard to his oversimplified conclusion you know and and again this is
00:38:35.820no shot whatsoever i love johnny you know this it was just i thought it was funny that
00:38:39.320he's out there poisoning sam's mind yeah i couldn't tell if sam sam liked it or if he was
00:38:46.420trolling and then yeah i think he does he does like it i mean i don't know man i don't know i
00:38:53.140spent like legitimately on whatever this is i spent like 45 minutes and and i think by the end
00:39:00.260of it uh i at the very least i convinced him that what i was saying he agreed with you know and so
00:39:07.260it's like that and and again this is not a duality in in terms of you have to uh not appreciate and
00:39:14.060compartmentalize the appealing nature of the production value of such a a big budget film
00:39:19.480you know which obviously yeah christopher nolan has made amazing films in the past i mean i've
00:39:25.140appreciated memento and inception and and uh you know many different films of his that inception
00:39:30.960was almost so good that it's it's like uh it becomes bad i don't know how to explain it it's
00:39:37.400so culturally relevant that it's been stripped of whether or not it's a good film and reduced to a
00:39:42.900meme in very many ways so uh how good i think inception actually i think inception was a
00:39:48.280fantastic uh movie but apparently also a direct ripoff of a earlier film which i was not aware of
00:39:54.240until recently of course and that's another thing nothing is new in terms of the hollywood
00:39:59.800industrial complex these concepts are all recycled concepts and usually stripped of their heart and
00:40:05.440soul of what they culturally provided in the first place as far as the cultural value that's my issue
00:40:10.860with this adaptation this is going to be an introductory point it looked to me like uh
00:40:16.820Hollywood was hemorrhaging and dying for a minute this is the longest hemorrhaging
00:40:20.340I could have imagined I thought for sure we would have a lot of blood there's a lot of blood
00:40:24.880in Hollywood yeah filled with baby blood and I would have just thought because you know after
00:40:28.400after uh COVID and after the Epstein kind of you know technically second round debacle back in 2018
00:40:36.1002019 it kind of looked like Hollywood was starting to enter the death throes and then
00:40:41.340it's been there breathing uh on a respirator for the last six years and um and i don't know is it
00:40:49.140going to experience a resurrection uh or is it is it finally going to die uh the death that it
00:40:53.580deserves right and you know you guys already know that i i believe there's esoteric occult
00:41:00.600ideologies covertly permeating through modern society it's just the the bottom line right and
00:41:05.280And this is how they have utilized Hollywood as this viable tool that weaponized pop culture in this sense.
00:41:12.700And I think that when you see somebody responded to the stream that I did regarding the Odyssey as well, at least I touched on it.
00:41:20.240And they responded in the comments by saying that they had been told in the past that society's standards for art are a reflection of its morality.
00:41:33.160and I thought that's just a beautiful statement you know honestly I very much I believe I
00:41:39.960principally I agree with that statement you know and I think that whenever you see and I mentioned
00:41:44.960this a couple times in the recent past is is whenever I covered Laurel Canyon right it was
00:41:51.200it was uh like the weird scenes inside the canyon right the Dave McGowan book but but it led me down
00:41:57.100the path of essentially really refocusing and reflecting on the 60s counterculture and the
00:42:04.600hippie movements, which were more than, I mean, obviously they were weaponized to discredit
00:42:09.180the naturally forming anti-war movement at the time. That was just one layer of the operation
00:42:14.980in reality as far as dismissing and undermining the value. And that movement was effectively
00:42:20.760becoming a threat to the U.S. military interests, right? And I think there's no better way than
00:42:27.040to strategically corrupt the culture of an entire generation, right?
00:42:31.260And I think compromising, you inherently compromise this generation from ever posing a true threat
00:42:41.280to the establishment, which eradicates the revolutionary mindset.
00:42:45.040And I think that is what we need for modern society to essentially, I think, be on any
00:42:56.040sort of positive path toward a better alternative solution to the structured system as it currently
00:43:01.620is right and that that is the entire reason that the structured system is designed in this way
00:43:06.460and so i think we're at an inherent disadvantage and that is by design and so if you see and this
00:43:13.400is why i thought it was always fascinating and and the reason i've been mentioning it recently
00:43:17.580um is that whenever i covered covered laurel canyon right so it would basically i i realized
00:43:24.780that not only laurel canyon uh has the very same sort of connections as as the origin or origin of
00:43:32.620the the term hollywood land right or hollywood right which in itself derives from the wood of
00:43:37.340the holly tree right which people aren't aware of the fact that the wood of the holly tree was
00:43:43.260happened to be the favorite wood used by druid magicians for their wands composition yeah now
00:43:49.580imagine a world all right where where clearly what else is that other than casting a spell
00:43:57.900malevolent malevolently manipulating the minds of the general public that that to me
00:44:02.940is what the language is all there right like you're when you're uh picking an actor you're
00:44:08.780you're casting it's a it's a casting or uh when you're looking for the right channel you're
00:44:13.900You're looking for the right program like they're all of the language is embedded in it.
00:44:20.080This goes back to something that we talk about pretty often on the show, which is this war on definitions.
00:44:24.880Right. If you could change the fundamental meaning of a word and then reintroduce it to a populace, you've destabilized people's understanding of the nature of reality so fundamentally that no one could ever come to an agreement on a thing.
00:44:37.060so now casting is no longer within the context of casting a spell although it still is functionally
00:44:44.140what's happening it's now associated with with actors and things like that and then of course
00:44:48.280these actors are routinely telling you that they are um they become someone else entirely when
00:44:55.520they're you know in character it's called method acting and the best actors do it you see the
00:45:00.240best actors are possessed or channeling is that what you're telling me yeah i mean everybody that0.97
00:45:04.740the joker comes to mind yeah everybody that plays the joker or or fucking anybody who's who's you0.58
00:45:10.020know um even superman i mean what was the guy that did split yeah yeah so the joker is a particular
00:45:15.980spirit right yeah but the guy who did split um he's a great actor fantastic actor fantastic
00:45:22.880channeler i don't know um but yeah he's he's going through and playing so many different
00:45:27.840characters in that film and one of them is inherently like a demon a beast a monster
00:45:31.720and um man i forget what that guy's name is fantastic actor though but but yeah it's
00:45:36.660james mcavoy yeah good call i love that dude um i love that way he channels the spirits and
00:45:44.100does you know all the witchcraft but um it's all right there and and i think honestly for
00:45:50.960people that have their doubts as to the spiritual nature of the big game you know the big club that
00:45:57.740you're not invited to in the in the words of uh um what was that George Carlin uh the the nature
00:46:04.560of it is on display in Hollywood if you would just look at it but yeah that's that's a I mean
00:46:09.840Hollywood famously I think one of the first films that were entirely developed in uh it was really
00:46:18.140early might have been like 1913 1914 in Hollywood is I forget the name of the film but they erect
00:46:24.540a gigantic um identical version of the gates of ishtar from ancient sumer and to this day
00:46:34.480it still sits there it's in hollywood if you go there you can see it so somehow for the first film
00:46:41.000that they ever made in hollywood that was entirely made in hollywood because there were films being
00:46:44.500made at the time but they were like you know being shot here and done here this was all done0.94
00:46:47.720in hollywood um and by 1914 it had aired and and you know all of its apparatus and the fucking
00:46:57.180the the gates of ishtar that they erected they they put so much work into that it still stands
00:47:04.360to this day it's still there and it's it's a one-to-one you can see the the actual gates of
00:47:09.920ishtar uh you know it's it's all lapis lazul it's all blue it's got the the golden lions and
00:47:16.180everything flanking either side of it it's on display in a museum i believe but this version
00:47:20.900that they created for this film that was all inherently about babylon which you know i would
00:47:25.520argue hollywood is the new babylon uh still stands to this day so it wasn't even like you know you
00:47:30.120make props and they're meant to be torn down and shit and they're like look this is our first go0.93
00:47:35.120i don't want to go too hard here it's the first one that we're doing in hollywood you know let's0.94
00:47:39.780make it so that it never fucking falls let's make it so that it stands for over a hundred years like0.69
00:47:44.480what dude that's honestly and that's why i i referenced so i watched a film not not too long0.78
00:47:52.760ago that was called under the silver lake from 2018 yeah that's a fascinating movie okay dude
00:47:59.860it's amazing honestly and especially uh so it made me think that we should all be far more careful
00:48:07.080with what we consume because just revelation of the method obviously exists and sigil magic is
00:48:13.680absolutely real. But these practitioners and initiates of all of these various ancient occult
00:48:21.420traditions, they rely so heavily on culture creation through, I believe, pop culture, right?
00:48:28.660But it's a powerful medium. And these are sophisticated methods of social engineering
00:48:33.440that they're cultivating and relying upon. And so once you realize that these culture creation
00:48:40.380mechanisms of social engineering and have been essentially relied upon for so many generations
00:48:47.600right then really it becomes acknowledging that they are strategically and and deliberately
00:48:55.880co-opting culture these cultural touchstones right and and and this is becoming commonplace
00:49:01.740uh you know among the psychological engineers and and the mind war operatives and this is why i view
00:49:08.320what Christopher Nolan is doing and the destruction of the cultural value of the Odyssey for an entire
00:49:13.700generation with no one basically batting an eye whatsoever, other than, you know, the usual
00:49:20.320suspects, which are co-opting this into the culture war in regard to this reinforcing the
00:49:27.500two-party paradigm and this partisan nature of how you can only view and internalize and interpret
00:49:33.100things based on this this ultimate two-party paradigm that is the only reflection that or
00:49:39.940i mean the only window in which you can view and reflect uh on upon art in general and let alone
00:49:46.820internalize the conceptual values and so this to me is a perfect example when you see the the
00:49:53.900travis scott casting the elliot page the helen the helen of troy being legitimately like a somali
00:49:59.700pirate that that's what it looks like dude i'm the captain now that's what she's about to say
00:50:04.040to tom hanks and it's just like insane to me that that and this has nothing to do with obviously0.99
00:50:10.540there are beautiful black women that exist on earth but again this was not do you need to cast0.94
00:50:18.000this woman who who basically it doesn't fit that in my opinion and as far as that profile1.00
00:50:24.100it's almost smearing the the uh it's intellectually insulting in in a reality in reality because for
00:50:32.960me i felt like they were insulting my intellectual fortitude like are you kidding me you were just
00:50:38.680talking about and i it's a little bit of a departure from the topic here but uh pre-show
00:50:43.600i've been obviously getting into it with uh orthodox people in the orthodox church i love
00:50:48.900every second of this, by the way, just so you know, from an outsider's perspective. And I believe
00:50:55.860in God, obviously. I'm just like, I've never, and this is nothing, I mean, it is sort of personal,
00:51:01.820I guess, but I don't know Jay Dyer, okay? I met Owen when we did the last Brogrove. I really
00:51:08.780appreciated Owen, honestly. I felt like he was a genuine person. And the conversation that I had
00:51:14.260with him i really enjoyed i i honestly i like owen a lot and i just i've had appreciation for
00:51:22.340jay's content in the past just certain things certain concepts that i've usually nothing to do
00:51:27.920with what he's most known for to be honest right it's about black hangs yeah yeah
00:51:33.100his occult hollywood books and his uh very conspiracy studies are very interesting exactly
00:51:40.560uh we had man i guess i i don't i don't know if i want to go into the whole story of how we met
00:51:46.560him but uh but i i will if if you'd like that but what i was what i was getting at was just like the
00:51:52.080idea of the artwork uh within the orthodox church and i know that there are reasons why it's depicted
00:51:57.280this way but i'm an artist i make my money doing this and uh i don't know whatever people would
00:52:03.040say i'm a bad artist a good artist doesn't matter uh i'm a professional one and i know
00:52:09.760what's good and I know how to do what's good. I understand the replication of it. We can see this
00:52:15.440with our eyes. People understand this. And every time I look at orthodox art, it's one of these
00:52:21.520things where I go, all right. I never really set out to disrespect it, but I just go,
00:52:27.720interesting choice. And I move on. I would never replicate that. I would never put that in my house.
00:52:32.700I would never bow to it. That's a whole nother can of worms. But as I'm looking at it now and
00:52:37.260i'm like you know what the the gloves are off as far as respect goes and they've been on for a0.73
00:52:40.780couple of months i'm like well let's fucking talk about what's on your wall right here and let's0.84
00:52:44.340talk about the perspective issues let's talk about the the size issues let's talk about the issues0.91
00:52:49.460with the human anatomy let's talk about the issues with i mean i think the color is is nice the color
00:52:55.400is yeah but the colors uh i learned like one like a a great deal of them that i was like actually
00:53:00.800the use of color is nice those were all enhanced with ai to add contrast to the colors but i
00:53:06.080imagine that at one point they were probably much more vivid and more vibrant yeah yeah and then
00:53:09.820over time and that's fine for me the issue is structurally how this stuff is built and it's
00:53:14.680like it doesn't resemble the human form which in my opinion my favorite form of art i've been
00:53:19.320drawing since a child is the human form so like when we're talking about some of these like greek
00:53:23.860sculptures i i'm a i'm actually a sculptor like that's what i love to do i have clay at home and
00:53:29.060sometimes i will sculpt my son is really good i think it must run in our family check this out
00:53:33.560that i sculpted we do it in 3d miles now it's a big one this might be available i didn't even
00:53:37.240realize he was here yeah yeah shout out to neffy shout out to neffy we do i'm making i'm making
00:53:42.620another one printed it out but uh i really appreciate that form because it it pays homage
00:53:49.540and it could get slippery as well but it pays homage to the human form and the human form i
00:53:53.780think is the most it's the most complicated creation of god and it shouldn't be it shouldn't
00:54:00.580be worship but it also shouldn't be disrespected so when i look at the orthodox church and like
00:54:04.500what they what they're well that they're praying to these things as well and they're being very
00:54:09.160slippery with well that's what happens consider worship when you make fun of it you you're
00:54:13.300considered blaspheming and this is why i started to this is why i started to poke at it because
00:54:17.700they are like they're like this it's not a it's not god and i was like well you get very angry
00:54:22.120when i make fun of it because it is your god but the point is that i think it's i think there's a
00:54:27.000correlation with that and like corporate art corporate art was this thing that i've been
00:54:30.700beaten up on for years because you look at it's this weird simplified version of the human form0.73
00:54:35.220again and it's meant to be there to make you feel like shit like you're supposed to look at it and0.99
00:54:41.000everybody around you goes oh applause how wonderful but the reality is inside you're dying because you0.99
00:54:47.900understand demoralizing it's a demoralizing bastardization of the the most beautiful thing
00:54:53.800that's ever been created the human form the hands are not correct the eyes are simplified the face0.93
00:55:00.360is misshapen it's it's just all fucked up and when i look at orthodox art it's the same exact thing0.81
00:55:07.100and i'm like it then it leaves you to wonder i'm trying to find that one that you posted today0.97
00:55:12.420if that's done on purpose like is this done is this an is this an op because they're doing it
00:55:17.760now with current roles like movies but it's not there's nothing new under the sun so back then
00:55:22.320would you have done this with uh christian christian artwork so when people look at this
00:55:27.360they look at the savior of mankind and they go oh like this is not even a human being yeah i have a
00:55:34.320perfect alien right bro great alien is a crazy thing to say because the exaggerated features
00:55:40.400on the fingers like a long nose and they'll go ahead and explain it away and all that but
00:55:44.480bro that's not satisfactory like for it so if i say this is bad you're gonna hate me
00:55:49.760this is what i've been getting and as a matter of fact aiden mattis uh you remember we had him
00:55:57.100on the show early on he wants to come back on and explain to me why this is good and i said sure you
00:56:01.540can come on this is not good it's just yeah go scroll up a little bit there's a it probably
00:56:07.020means something but it looks like boobs oh yeah it really does yeah both honestly and they'll go0.97
00:56:13.560well you're a plebe you're a boob you don't understand find art find art and i go no no no0.98
00:56:18.920No, art is art is supposed to be self-explanatory.0.98
00:56:22.060When you see a thing, you go, this is beautiful.
00:59:43.180Are kind of, this isn't about which way
00:59:46.480the political moral wind is blowing in the current moment.
00:59:50.320It's about providing yourself with that foundation, that moral foundation that you can rely on in that moment of confusion that is always, I think, brought upon us by design in that way.
01:00:03.180But you see how basically it would erode almost the, the, the, it would almost erode the value of just an ultimate truth existing in general, right? Because this becomes, it erodes truth in, in, in society and at large. And it basically kind of leads to this ultimate chaos, which is order out of chaos. And I think that's very much what they hope for us.
01:00:30.320we are intellectually infants for the most part in regard to the general public. And so they are
01:00:36.800waiting for Hollywood to take them on that proverbial ride, you know, philosophically
01:00:42.420to lead them into, you know, the ultimate conclusion that they will come to, which is
01:00:47.280really just parroting their favorite, you know, sort of celebrities, which they worship on a daily
01:00:54.660basis and this is it's just a frustrating thing to witness is that you know why i appreciate it
01:01:01.120though so as they try to march us towards that inevitability and i think you're right about what
01:01:07.880you're seeing and i do think it is an inevitability the machine that they're using has to become more
01:01:14.220and more egregious in its trespassings against us you know what i mean and and in that it becomes
01:01:21.280much more noticeable and i like when the world doesn't hide its nature from you that well so
01:01:30.000you know there there is um the sort of unthinking masses uh and and and they're going to be deceived
01:01:37.920or they are being deceived and what i do like is that the deception is becoming so clunky that
01:01:44.580more and more of them will escape from it which is which is ideal and i i like to think that um
01:01:52.700it is more to your advantage if there is some great propaganda machine weaponized against you
01:01:59.980that they've taken art and they've weaponized it against you and you know in all its forms music
01:02:04.080and movies and and and you know paintings and everything and they've weaponized it against you0.96
01:02:08.760certainly that's that's happened right not just in the orthodox church but um cubism and and shit
01:02:14.600like that uh uh the the modern reductive everything is just spheres and cubes i forget there's a
01:02:20.720terminology for it but they've um or or let's say like the jackson polyp or pollock polyps is a
01:02:26.640puss-filled nodule jackson pollock um you know where he's just splashing paint on a canvas and
01:02:34.360going look how profound it is and then you look around and every single option for your wall and0.98
01:02:39.260tj maxx is just fucking nonsensical strokes and splashes of paint and that's supposed to be art0.54
01:02:44.960it's all been weaponized against you but it's gotten so obvious that i like i said if that0.96
01:02:50.740machine is truly aimed at you which it is i would like for it to start stripping off its camouflage
01:02:55.380and stop um posing as just something normal you know in the in the scenery and instead reveal
01:03:02.540its visage to be a grotesque monster that seeks your your your death um and in that way it becomes
01:03:09.540more obvious to not only fight against but more vindicating too because when when it's hiding its0.99
01:03:15.520nature from you you're as a good person not so sure if you should fucking hate this thing0.53
01:03:21.140you know what i mean i find myself doing that a lot where i'm not so sure if i should crank the0.94
01:03:27.800furnace in my heart up to a thousand degrees so that it burns with a fiery hatred for this thing
01:03:33.480that is you know the opposite of god and the the when i know i can do that is when it's obviously
01:03:39.920the opposite of god so so the the more we get there man the the happier i am i was just watching um
01:03:45.580disclosure day which is another piece of propaganda and in the immediate he's got a list of like 350.99
01:03:54.000points yeah yeah yeah in the uh five minutes when they introduce the woman in red the fucking0.97
01:04:02.160the chick who has her spurge out on the weather channel and start speaking in alien language0.99
01:04:07.160they introduce her with butterfly symbolism as a as a little throwback to project monarch0.99
01:04:12.880and project monarch is this movie's riddled with that it is filled with that shit and we're gonna
01:04:17.660do a a breakdown of it episode maybe sometime this week but um project monarch for for people0.51
01:04:23.420that are uh you know kind of in the shallow waters of conspiracy you know every time a celebrity has
01:04:29.700a a robotic meltdown on stage katie perry starts fucking her eye starts twitching and1.00
01:04:34.980or uh what's that lumbering uh bigfoot looking black bitch from the talk show1.00
01:04:39.780oh yeah where she like all of a sudden spazzes out and then falls down and that was a guy for1.00
01:04:45.460a long time she does look like a dude um project monarch i'm pretty sure she was in the odyssey
01:04:51.260she was uh but project monarch is the the basically the arm of mk ultra that uh brainwashes
01:04:59.160and produces influencers and and celebrities and such um for you to emulate and find and their
01:05:04.180their symbol is the monarch butterfly which i think represents the hemispheres of the brain
01:05:07.600you know each wing uh being one hemisphere of the brain and it's hemi syncing and all that other
01:05:12.240shit so um uh they show that and then what happens right after that she gets on tv and has a meltdown0.53
01:05:20.100just like uh bigfoot black lady or just like katie perry or any of these celebrities that0.99
01:05:26.260have these project monarch style meltdowns and that theme is is uh consistent throughout the
01:05:32.280entire thing later on you find out that you know spoiler alert guys if you've not listened or
01:05:38.020watch the movie the the butterflies show up again in her childhood home at the scene of her trauma
01:05:47.460so there's your trauma-based mind control they're doing it right to you trigger there's your trigger
01:05:52.320and and what they do oh wendy williams thank you sancho dickard um uh what they're doing there is
01:05:59.120they're uh and then afterwards by the way they show you that the trauma is actually good it's
01:06:05.180good the trauma is good and the things that are traumatizing you are good and it you know so the0.87
01:06:09.220whole thing is riddled with all this shit and they are they're weaponizing this art steven0.93
01:06:12.740spielberg being top tier directors you know for for modern day uh films and he is showing you1.00
01:06:20.380the the things that they're using to do this to you right in your stupid fucking face but luckily0.99
01:06:26.860it's it's now the bars are lowered and so if you're smart enough you can see it and then they1.00
01:06:30.580go and by the way we're still gonna fucking psyop you the aliens are good the trauma is good1.00
01:06:35.640they're taking you as a child and and butt fucking you on the on the cold metal table1.00
01:06:39.800that's all good shit baby it's empathy that's called empathy baby you're gonna love it it's1.00
01:06:43.820all good so yeah i i like when they make it overt so i know what to kill right no i agree with that0.98
01:06:52.760And I think that the problem is, is that the average person, the vast majority of people in terms of the general public, they aren't as tuned in, right, in terms of being able to internalize and interpret what exactly the level of deception that is being leveraged against them.
01:07:16.240It's almost, they go in with the concept of, you know, they're just going to enjoy this pop culture flick, right?
01:07:24.420And in every way, they have incentive baked into their intellectual minds, which are very much in their infancy in a real way because they haven't been tapped into.
01:07:36.480And I think this is all an individual pursuit, right?
01:07:40.360And it's driven out of us through the conditioning that we experience all throughout our lives.
01:07:46.320And so they go in with this ultimate kind of baked in inherent goal of defending this strange celebrity culture when as if it is something, you know, to kind of align yourself to morally.
01:08:01.900And in reality, it's, again, that virtue signaling.
01:08:05.580It's that appeal to emotion, which is all the Delphi method.
01:08:09.040This is the Rand Corporation developed this in Laurel Canyon. I mean, it's just the same usual suspects that that are in that are basically responsible for all of the most heinous foreign policy positions that we've taken over the course of history.
01:08:22.000You know, modern history and beyond the fact that the CIA set up a liaison office in 1996 in Hollywood to with the first cousin of of of what's his name?
01:08:35.640The guy that played in Men in Black, right, who was the Tommy Lee Jones, first cousin.
01:08:40.420Tommy Lee Jones. Yeah. Legitimately set up a CIA liaison office and he was a psychological warfare expert.
01:08:46.060so like okay is that is that uh coincidental when you have the face of the men in black
01:08:53.240his first cousin being the cia representative as a liaison to the hollywood office that they
01:08:58.560would set up to what restructure what they claimed is that they took basically they took a
01:09:04.460they took a a sort of uh loss in terms of pr the cia the agency itself uh following the the end of
01:09:11.820the cold war and so they needed to resurrect uh their viability in the minds of the general public
01:09:16.920so they needed to have a new wave of of glorified propaganda which would which would set up the
01:09:23.060agency to be become this this savior of of all of modern western society and and uh and so every
01:09:30.020everything you can point to you see these way too popular tv series that never end that have0.97
01:09:35.680a just ludicrous number of seasons on television fucking uh the walking dead does that0.89
01:09:42.560never it's never ends and then they go spin off they do like eight spin-offs dude i'm like0.99
01:09:48.800fucking this is just the show i used to say you either um die breaking bad or you live long enough0.99
01:09:55.300to become the walking dead you know tell me a story and then fucking end it man i i don't want0.99
01:10:00.060I don't want to go on forever, but then just like that idea of like, um, uh, it had me thinking of0.98
01:10:06.360like weaponized nostalgia. Right. So, you know, saying that people will, uh, blindly defend all
01:10:12.980of this apparatus that is like Hollywood and, and, you know, the celebrity driven worship centers.
01:10:18.720Um, it, it, it's like, they've realized you can do something to us through good storytelling.
01:10:26.980you can like find a place in our hearts and then you become just this this thing that we defend
01:10:33.840emotionally and blindly nobody wants to believe that will smith is getting buttfucked and eating
01:10:39.820babies because he was also in men in black and uh and you know independence day was a great0.85
01:10:46.180film there is something about specifically nostalgia that is i i recognize as very dangerous
01:10:52.960and and it is like my son he's 11 years old and he was trying to explain to me he's like i get a
01:10:59.020weird feeling when i think about like um shows that i used to watch in places that we used to
01:11:05.280live and things like that and i'm like oh shit he's he's trying to describe nostalgia i didn't0.68
01:11:10.660realize it hit so quickly 11 years old is is pretty fast to experience that but there are0.96
01:11:16.740things that if i hold or if i smell um or if i watch it brings me back and and it's like such
01:11:24.400a strong tie to the material world uh that i'm realizing like that's actually probably not good
01:11:29.980i used to do that to cheat on test uh not cheat but i get like i would as i'm as i'm studying i0.98
01:11:34.900would smell something uh specific or particular oh to bring that and then you sniff that shit in0.96
01:11:40.320class markers huh maybe even like i don't like a man whatever that's like a level of inducing mind0.99
01:11:45.920control in yourself it's almost like i i used to i know i seem like an idiot but i used to do0.64
01:11:51.600i used to do like cocaine cocaine i would uh i i got very deep into um this course about perfect0.81
01:12:01.440pitch i probably told you a little time ago and i used to fall asleep with uh middle seat the
01:12:06.860middle c-tone playing so that way i can internalize it so i had i don't have perfect pitch but i have
01:12:13.280relative pitch meaning i could i know i could definitely locate a c sharp wherever it's played
01:12:17.940in most of the the octaves because i would just like uh just blap myself up with that specific
01:12:24.400tone and i figured if i could just internalize it then i could i'd be and it works but i don't
01:12:30.140know what else it does right that's hilarious now you brought up demonic disclosure day at least
01:12:37.560that's what i view it as right because i yeah i saw uh did you watch it no see this uh this0.99
01:12:45.400the issue i have i haven't watched the odyssey either but fuck that movie bro0.83
01:12:50.740look look i'll uh briefly just like as far as the oversimplified conclusion of christopher nolan0.89
01:12:59.340i'll illustrate that in a moment and also the the sinone right the the elliot page casting which
01:13:06.120which was supposed to be like a moral uh who was she supposed to be yes so this is this is
01:13:13.900fascinating honestly because most people aren't aware of uh this character in the first place
01:13:19.020because it didn't exist in the odyssey and and so yeah yeah and that's another issue i have with
01:13:23.960christopher nolan even writing this character in because this was strategic and by design and
01:13:28.260deliberate and so you have elliott plage playing this to know a greek soldier right which was
01:13:35.300apparently like uh one of the the most formidable ancient greek warriors that was the first cousin
01:13:42.080of odysseus and and was instrumental in the trojan horse ruse right and so this is again
01:13:47.500does that lore exist at all or is that lore that he just put in uh well no that that that lore does
01:13:54.660exist right and and uh but not technically because this is interesting to me because uh basically
01:14:01.500Sinon does not as a character appear in Homer's original poem the Odyssey it's a different it's
01:14:10.640it's I believe the Aenid Virgil's Aenid is where this character exists and that's the only reason
01:14:15.300we have a reference to Sinon as as the the cousin of Odysseus and also being instrumental in the
01:14:23.820Trojan horse ruse and so that all stemmed from the character originating from Virgil's Aenid I
01:14:30.280believe is how you pronounce i don't know but rather than the odyssey right so that's important
01:14:34.540to understand in the first place beyond the fact it was so funny and revealing of the level of
01:14:39.900ignorance in the general public in modern day is like you have people and i think this was by
01:14:45.080design as well is like they wanted to make this a cultural debate to where uh each and and also to
01:14:50.900almost like uh for example all the false allegations of elliott page being cast as achilles
01:14:58.620And then having the over-emotional reaction that would be deliberately tied to that sort of inherently, that would inherently take place to the point I'm making.
01:15:14.160And so what's interesting is that if you read the Iliad and the Odyssey, well, the Iliad is basically the story of, if you remember, Dave Benioff did the film Troy in like 2004 or something, I think, right?
01:15:28.740And it has like Brad Pitt playing Achilles and Sean Bean, who's the best Odysseus.
01:16:17.500Like I feel like you just basically entirely undermined the value of what this character could have represented in a real way if you did want to write them into this adaptation.
01:16:29.180Yeah, like is he a girl or is he a guy?
01:16:33.080so so and and again it's like uh as you said before i think it's less than six minutes that
01:16:40.080that elliott page is in the actual film and same with uh because she does come back i think later
01:16:46.560on as a recurring character in the underworld or something that has a conversation with matt damon
01:16:51.180and um but again i have to say man stop people need to really stop trying to convince me that
01:16:58.200zendaya is a talented actress and and yeah and and that she's attractive like honestly like what
01:17:04.540what are we doing here yeah they try and force these constructed personalities in hollywood
01:17:10.260onto you as if and if you haven't noticed she's getting the treatment she's she is being uh cast
01:17:16.160in films that sell themselves she she doesn't have to actually uh become athena she's almost
01:17:22.940in every scene basically is what i've read you know she's in many of the scenes is the problem
01:17:27.100right and and the point being is that she's supposed to be the goddess athena it's just
01:17:32.680again this this is something that uh when you realize that almost no one on the set itself of
01:17:38.140christopher nolan's odyssey even read the original iliad and odyssey and and uh the female that was
01:17:43.440cast as helen of troy which her name was what was her name uh it's it's uh like lupita nyong or
01:17:50.940something like that yeah yeah a series of flicks and she she was in the film for like less than
01:17:59.300four minutes i think right right but but huge both of them huge spots in the trailer right so
01:18:04.500this is like absolutely this is stoking the flames it is smart as far as a marketing uh tool goes
01:18:12.400but the effects that it has when it's compounded with all of the other instances of hollywood
01:18:18.260doing this sort of thing to the public is a broadening of the divides which maybe i don't
01:18:23.760want to be united with them but i can't understand why people are getting upset at this like again i
01:18:28.860do enjoy the odyssey the boy slop yeah i enjoy the iliad as a kid when i read that uh yeah which
01:18:36.660is the concept right it's the 10 years of the greek trojan war right that's what it really is
01:18:44.320And it's sort of like the very tail end of the conflict itself through Achilles' eyes.
01:18:49.280You realize Odysseus was the trickster who actually cultivated the ruse of the Trojan horse, which allowed them to walk away victorious and sack the ancient city of Troy.
01:19:00.080that's the entire and then the odyssey is the 10 years following the greek troy uh trojan war
01:19:07.240where odysseus is trying to uh make his odyssey home right back to ithaca greece where where uh
01:19:14.280you know so essentially he's been gone for 20 years total it takes 10 years for the war and 10
01:19:18.720years for him to return home to to ithaca and and uh i just always thought and and here's the
01:19:25.160problem that I have is because again, it's like, I understand the concept of what, and don't get
01:19:31.240me wrong. I'm not sitting here like criticizing Johnny and Sam. I love them to death. It's just
01:19:36.620me personally thinking that you're oversimplifying this. I can definitely compartmentalize and
01:19:42.820appreciate. I can still watch this movie and enjoy the visual appealing nature of a big budget
01:19:49.840action film uh and also you know appreciating at least the core concepts of the odyssey and
01:19:57.240internalizing them the way that they should be internalized and i will not allow them to
01:20:01.480demoralize me throughout the process i was a little bit bummed out though there's a there's a
01:20:05.760dramatic lack of muscles i get very bad of of elliot page running with the armor on i mean
01:20:13.200it's just like it's look like a child like a toddler in their parents armor but um yeah i
01:20:19.060just miss the days when like action films we're going back we're watching a lot of like the 80s0.95
01:20:23.780stuff with jack and like everybody was fucking jack to the gills roided out everybody put get
01:20:30.680back on steroids people go like oh chris hemsworth is on steroids there's no way you get that physique0.98
01:20:36.360he had better be he's fucking thor i don't want him to look at all like a normal dude i want him0.97
01:20:43.420unbelievably jack when they spray tanned the greatest development in cinematic history0.98
01:20:48.740was spray tanning the abs on the 300 soldiers from start great idea i've developed a
01:20:55.360disassociation from uh whatever's being created today and how i should feel about it because i
01:21:01.940i'm very aware that they make these things like disclosure day here's something and here's how
01:21:06.780you should feel about it and i was like that part of me is dead i don't it's more personal that sam
01:21:14.340liked the movie i might watch it and come back and tell you that i liked it but it's because of
01:21:23.120the disassociation that i have to i think this world in general like i i like matt's idea since
01:21:29.720we we've started uh the the podcast in this shop he he labels every email as uh you know matt heppner
01:21:37.500of the standard coffee shop and it says pilgrim slash stranger and he's like i'm just passing
01:21:41.900through i don't i don't belong here yeah and honestly there's not much you can do to offend
01:21:47.700me you can't draw any pictures of jesus to offend me what you can do are some like spiritual maladies0.80
01:21:52.680which i'm going to tell you that's gay but like to offend me with a story of ancient greek mythology0.73
01:21:58.980being misquoted well that's actually great that what austin is doing is good because to get to
01:22:05.580where you are you first need to learn that that they're trying to do this and i'm fully aware and
01:22:12.280you should hate it but then you i go through this mode of like hatred and anger toward these people
01:22:17.280and i can still bring that out and that's a lot of fun for comedy and stuff but the reality is0.91
01:22:21.340when i search myself i go couldn't fucking care less well yeah that's what we're finding is like
01:22:28.040But keep making that multi-million dollar slop for me and make it real good, make it real sloppy, make it real sloppy.0.93
01:22:33.900I'm not worried about how it will affect me.
01:22:38.460I'm worried about how it affects the people I know and love that are suggestible enough and I think vulnerable enough psychologically to where these terrible ideas take root.
01:22:52.660you know and that's that's the problem that i have personally is that these are people i only
01:22:58.040want the best for and i know i can't control the outcome in terms of their their lives and
01:23:02.160their intellectual path and it's something that i constantly grapple with because it's outside of
01:23:08.040my control well that's exactly it though you you nailed it like what you're grappling with
01:23:12.340is coming to terms with like oh yeah i'm not of this world i'm in it but i'm not of it and i'm
01:23:18.900just passing through like that is that's the that's the fight i think um where people go wrong
01:23:25.520is where they don't ultimately come to that conclusion and like sigh a big breath of relief
01:23:30.840in in very many ways that where you realize like oh yeah i'm not of this world like explicitly in
01:23:36.320the bible it tells you that it tells you to be in it but not of it you know and that you are just
01:23:41.920passing through and and when you see we're in this really remarkable era right austin where it's like
01:23:47.720for a time there was a big curtain over the world so so hundreds and thousands of years ago
01:23:56.360everybody seemed to be pretty understanding about the nature of the world and then in america for
01:24:01.780the last however many 200 years but you know since americana was even a thought or or something that
01:24:08.460you could point to like there it is that's when americana especially that nostalgia um idea of
01:24:13.360america starts this idealism what america could be what the world could be that started and that
01:24:19.660was like really a curtain over the nature of the world and then in the last 10 years we've watched
01:24:25.760that curtain drop really rapidly in comparison to like the history of america and we're getting
01:24:31.340acclimated once again to the fact that the world is exactly as it was a thousand years ago they're0.99
01:24:36.980still fucking these kids they're still killing these kids they're still sacrificing they're1.00
01:24:40.460still in cahoots with all these demons and spirits and all this fucking shit and they want to poison1.00
01:24:44.920you and kill you and twist the way that you perceive everything and that's a unique thing1.00
01:24:50.180i think people of old were maybe a little bit more armed to deal with that and i think what we're0.96
01:24:54.880realizing in our generation now is like yeah we don't we don't get that that thing was an illusion
01:25:00.380and the world is exactly as it's always been and that's okay because we're not of it i'll tell you
01:25:05.020i like the i like the direction that this episode took and i know that you probably made i feel like
01:25:10.260it's a fucking great conversation i feel like uh you probably studied to bring it somewhere else
01:25:14.220but it doesn't matter because yeah dude yeah oh yeah you're always invited back on if you get0.97
01:25:19.080here early enough uh for bro grove like we can we'll record something in yeah we gotta do um
01:25:24.440we have to definitely talk about like i i was hoping obviously i think the odyssey foundation
01:25:30.060The only reason I brought it up was the transition to what matters most to me, and that is exposing these criminal cases that I think prove and reinforce so much of the reality of the network that we're facing, this formidable threat that is being posed, especially in regard to against the most vulnerable among us, as I've said so many times before.
01:25:52.600And I think that's the only reason that I could personally, like, honestly, I think that's why that Jake and I got along so well from the beginning was because when we were discussing the Finders, that original episode we did when we had first met, like, we both, like, I just was naturally emotional, becoming more emotional as I was speaking on the network and the overall consequences of.
01:26:17.160And, and to, to see the, the emotional sort of reaction within Jake, it was, it was the equivalent of how it affects me, you know, to my core, you know, how, how, how this is, we're in a spiritual battle on a daily basis.
01:26:36.900And I think that I love what you had to say about we're all just passing through. But I also think, and I think this is what you were also saying this in a real sense, just maybe not necessarily did you say it exactly in this way, but it's basically to embrace the mentality throughout this temporary process to hopefully have a net positive impact on the people around you, right?
01:27:06.900And I feel like that is my ultimate goal.
01:27:09.720I hope to become a better person on a daily basis, someone I can look in the mirror and
01:27:29.880That's why, personally, it's fascinating to me to just cultivate these friendships and these relationships.
01:27:38.720And at every turn, every step of the way throughout this process of even publicly creating the podcast and engaging in this community, it's really what I appreciate more than anything is the genuine nature of having these interactions.
01:28:00.840and and legitimately i can feel like when i walk away from these conversations with you guys
01:28:07.100i genuinely feel like we're brothers like you're my friends like you're legitimate we're in this
01:28:13.940battle and the trenches on the front lines of the mind war together yeah and we're attempting to
01:28:19.340intellectually grow in this strange sort of as much as i am philosophically opposed to collectivism
01:28:26.200There's a beautiful nature in terms of how we are coexisting and attempting to to consistently become a better version of ourselves in whatever way that might, you know, come to fruition in terms of your priority.
01:28:41.660But I just think that's kind of what I discovered, Austin.
01:28:45.180You know, you talk about like you're typically opposed to collectivism.
01:28:48.360Right. But but collectivized under what?
01:28:50.920And for me, I've realized through doing this show, human beings are always going to be moved by a spirit.
01:28:58.420There's always going to be a spirit of what they're doing.
01:31:27.300And the way that we do that is by doing exactly what you are doing, which is telling the truth.
01:31:31.960yeah and i think honestly and do you remember uh the uh do you remember the quote back in the day
01:31:41.740from basically the the popularized ridiculous concept during the drug phenomenon of essentially
01:31:49.080the lsd psychedelic drug fuel culture that was was uh coming to fruition just after basically i think
01:31:56.620this was a consequence of MKUltra basically coming to the domestic U.S. in a real sense
01:32:03.840in reality. And this all fundamentally began in the early 50s, late 50s, and then really
01:32:10.100started to have an impact on culture at large in the West around the early 60s, late 60s
01:32:16.020and 70s. Now, it was turn on, tune in, drop out, right? That was the concept by Timothy
01:32:21.500That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And I just felt like that was a weaponized concept to neuter the revolutionary mindset, especially in that era, in that generation, right, of the counterculture, the hippie movement.
01:32:38.120All of these layers of deception and deliberate disruption societally were coming to fruition in every aspect of, I believe, the overall ultimate goal of undermining the value of culture in the West.
01:32:55.720And so in reality, that's come full circle almost, it feels like.
01:33:00.260And I think they achieved so much of what they intended to achieve.
01:33:04.260And the one thing, before I forget, I had one last thing to mention about what, and I thought you guys would appreciate this because of really kind of the philosophical nature of the conclusion of this in reality, if you do internalize it this way, is like Nolan claimed that Elliot Page's character Sinon was to provide, essentially was to provide a moral anchor for the film, right?
01:33:35.040And this is, for me, it's something that is fascinating, right?
01:33:40.660Because again, if you don't realize that the overall philosophical conclusion of Homer's Odyssey, now obviously it can be, it's a layered interpretation, right?
01:33:53.360And it's very conceptually formidable as far as the value of it and the layers in regard to what you have to internalize in the actual text.
01:34:02.900But if you see what Christopher Nolan's claiming, this oversimplified conclusion of his film adaptation was ultimately that society cannot function through – basically the idea is that society can only function through having respect for strangers, right?
01:34:22.260And that his overall simplification of the concept is that for over 3,000 years, right, since the passing of Homer, that this is a fundamental truth that human nature has never changed in regards to this.
01:34:36.080Now, I view this as a New Age oversimplification once again, which is another appeal to emotion, which is a part of the Delphi method.
01:34:46.420Because if you actually look at, and if you consider again, what Helen of Troy, right?
01:34:51.960Do you think that face launched, you know, the 10-year war?0.99
01:35:13.100But no, it was basically, and again, it's just like for me personally, knowing really what I think should be understood from the Odyssey is that it's about domestic stability, right?
01:35:27.920The value of family, the family unit, peace inside the family unit and domestic stability that conquering abroad should not be prioritized, right?
01:35:40.620Because stability at home should be the ultimate goal.
01:35:46.040They're trying to administer a reformation of society at large in regard to another way to philosophically internalize the text.
01:35:55.000But this is something that I think people need to understand more than anything, is that they undermine the value of that very core concept with just the casting and the framework of the conclusion of the film.
01:36:08.700And so that in itself just entirely robs the cultural value that the Odyssey, I believe, inherently represents.
01:36:19.860And if you keep in mind the fact that I found out Christopher Nolan, have you ever heard about Christopher Nolan's brother being a hitman?
01:39:26.320But that allegation in regard to Christopher Nolan's brother is fascinating stuff.
01:39:32.340And basically, according to these court documents and these court records that are in regard to Costa Rica attempting to have Christopher Nolan's older brother, Matthew Nolan,
01:39:43.360basically to have him extradited back to Costa Rica to face charges for attempted murder.
01:39:51.160And so this was Costa Rica filed and basically unsuccessfully applied for Matthew Nolan to be
01:40:00.940extradited back from the U.S. to Costa Rica in 2009. And basically in the court documents,
01:40:07.780you see that there were numerous claims that were made, right, in regard to internally within
01:40:13.300the documents themselves if you read them and you see that it's all in regard to the circumstances
01:40:18.600surrounding this banker's death this this uh individual last name cohen right and yeah so it
01:40:26.440turns out that this so according to the documents lewis alonso douglas magia was initially convicted
01:40:33.640of the murder in 2005 but the extradition court documents point to matthew nolan's involvement as0.93
01:40:39.440a quote contracted killer so costa rica contends that magia this uh not a fucking rumor like
01:40:47.620contacted the accused and uh and basically this is for a still undetermined amount of money they0.79
01:40:56.500never actually put this on record uh and hired his services both uh basically both of these
01:41:03.520individuals, the Mejia and Nolan himself, were claiming to abduct this. They were plotting to
01:41:11.440abduct this person, right? And then obviously inevitably murder them. And so it turns out
01:41:19.120that Costa Rica basically, when they submitted evidence corroborating the assertion that
01:41:26.960Mejia hired Nolan for the express purpose of murdering Cohen, they didn't provide enough
01:41:31.620detail that apparently through the extradition process would be damning enough evidence to
01:41:38.640move forward, which is why the extradition was never successfully approved. But it turns out
01:41:45.640that, and again, it's something that I think people should be aware of, is that this is actually
01:41:51.000on record within the court documents where there's basically evidence that Matthew Nolan used the
01:41:56.360alias Matthew McCall Oppenheimer, which includes testimony and email records where he refers to
01:42:02.060himself as M.M. McCall Oppenheimer, right? And again, this is all through the context of him
01:42:08.080being hired as a hitman or a hired killer to assassinate this strange banker. And I think
01:42:18.020there was one other, because I believe an individual was arrested by the FBI at one point
01:42:22.680And the agent went on the record and what I thought was interesting. But anyway, basically, Nolan chose the name Oppenheimer allegedly to link himself to the immensely wealthy Oppenheimer diamond family.
01:42:35.720So the choice of Oppenheimer as a name appears to only be related to the South African diamond dealers and not the scientists, J. Robert Oppenheimer.
01:42:46.940And so, again, he's never convicted Matthew Nolan of being a hitman, right, or of disinvolvement in the murder.
01:42:54.740But it was in like 2009, which was four years after the death of this banker, that he filed for bankruptcy in Chicago.
01:43:04.740And he was arrested by an FBI agent, Pablo Araya, that very year, in 2009.
01:43:11.720Matthew Nolan, older brother of Christopher Nolan
01:43:39.060yeah it's like that guy's that guy's playing a role that's a domino i wonder what this i mean
01:43:44.340he must be a uh talented or a special in and a talented is a i'd say he's talented but a special
01:43:51.240individual meaning like chosen because he can do these things he can bring these ideas to the
01:43:56.060forefront whether it's from oppenheimer whether it's the the triggering of the the joker from
01:44:01.520the batman movie you ever see the prestige no the prestige is really excellent it's like um
01:44:06.620it's about magicians which is interesting you know given given what hollywood is really about
01:44:12.080um prestige is great so it goes uh batman begins 2005 prestige 2006 the dark knight 2008 inception
01:44:19.400the dark knight rises interstellar uh dunkirk you know oppenheimer the odyssey so it really0.71
01:44:24.140takes a fucking nosedive after uh interstellar but uh those few years there oppenheimer in the0.59
01:44:29.600odyssey i think they play huge roles oh they play roles yeah oppenheimer at the very least0.95
01:44:34.420i've noticed now is reinforcing that or like sloppenheimer sloppenheimer reinforcing the
01:44:39.980historical narrative to the boomer class that really needs to buy this for whatever they're
01:44:44.200about to present i think that's very important in regards to nuclear technology and alien
01:44:49.980disclosure and whatever kind of technology comes from that you have to believe that premise first
01:44:55.260for whatever's coming next well you said you said um uh 2009 is when the the the case is going on
01:45:04.240but he's not convicted right he's arrested in 2009 he's arrested in 2009 um michael nolan
01:45:09.520matthew nolan matthew nolan he's so he's arrested in 2009 for the alleged murder that takes place
01:45:15.800four years before that right yeah exactly that's 2005 which is batman begins so dude gets murdered
01:45:22.820homeboy comes out with batman begins no wait did he fail the murder it was a murder he was murdered
01:45:28.020right oh yeah no the the actual individual um by the name of cohen i'll pull his first name
01:45:35.160here in a moment because again a jewish accountant in columbia in costa rica in costa rica come on
01:45:41.760yeah and it turns out that basically and again as i said matthew nolan arrested0.97
01:45:46.300oh shit the jews got him oh no he's back
01:45:50.340that's interesting we haven't had technical difficulties with austin this whole time0.99
01:45:58.380until we started talking about the jew in costa rica go ahead austin
01:46:02.760uh okay we're having a little bit of auspicious timing let me see or suspicious what does
01:46:11.260auspicious even mean yo yo yo oh my god auschwitz timing there we go okay he's kind of back
01:46:17.040austin if you can see my hand signals do a refresher rooney do a refresh and come back
01:46:23.180you do there you go refresh your browser this is what that means that's odd spin it up do a
01:46:29.980little refresher what an interesting turn this episode is taking because i i was expecting to
01:46:35.380go into i mean the last time awesome was on we were supposed to cover waco i believe uh yeah well
01:46:42.940that's why i love austin because first let me tell him refresh can you hear us austin your
01:46:47.400browser yeah yeah i'm gonna refresh my browser as soon as like it's it's tripping so give me
01:46:53.880one second no problem go ahead do your thing for sure i probably pulled i probably i probably
01:46:59.980pulled too many notes if i'm being honest i have so many tabs open dude for real it's uh
01:47:09.220an extraordinary amount of tabs but um yeah so i go ahead and refresh that because i think there
01:47:16.060is there's a latency now he's all right now you sure because i'm pretty sure there's a latency
01:47:19.520you're a latency your mama oh yeah i'm refreshing right now okay all right yeah i was pretty sure i
01:47:26.980i uh detected late this would be it would be like an interesting role for uh uh for austin to to
01:47:32.860play for the riddler weekly cut the riddler he would actually look good in a green outfit but
01:47:37.880no for weekly content uh do like these movie reviews and just break them down fun yeah people
01:47:45.240would go nuts for that kind of stuff and it might even be like a little bit of a low low hanging
01:47:51.000fruit like easy to do right watch a movie uh honestly let me um can i go to the bathroom
01:47:58.420real quick and then i'll come back well let's uh let's actually wrap it up oh yeah we do have0.98
01:48:02.840another show we have another show okay all right well son of a bitch okay so just uh to kind of0.86
01:48:09.380like uh mainly i just wanted to mention the fact and i did think that that was fascinating right0.93
01:48:14.960as far as matthew nolan and christopher nolan's brother especially the timing of that and uh
01:48:21.340there's there's this uh um just honestly in regard to i had mentioned under the silver lake
01:48:28.680And I just wanted to briefly touch on the fact that basically this film, it presents this kind of occult conspiracy that integrates these wealthy elites who are sealing themselves into these underground tombs with these young women who are obviously basically being procured as they were Hollywood starlets, as young child actors that maybe their career never took off and they effectively were never successful.
01:48:58.680as an as an adult in the industry but they would then become these hollywood starlets and be a part
01:49:04.740of a prostitution network that would be uh basically providing these young hollywood starlets1.00
01:49:10.380to these wealthy elites in los angeles and they have this whole subterranean uh system
01:49:15.280underground tunnel system and and you see that the the film itself has all these suggestions of like
01:49:23.020ancient Egyptian and pagan mythology that are kind of like layered into the plot and basically
01:49:30.040ritualistically rooted in a certain sense as well. And so you have the subterranean network under
01:49:35.900Los Angeles, but then you have these hidden hobo codes and symbols that are being utilized
01:49:41.300throughout the film as well that are essentially tools to communicate, right, as far as like
01:49:47.680used by the elite class to communicate but also to maintain control and so they they utilize these
01:49:54.580hobo coded coded lang you know coded symbols and like one of them in the film is specifically stay
01:50:00.240quiet right as if it's subliminal messaging as well and in pop music that that i found interesting
01:50:05.620there's this uh specifically andrew garfield's the main character 33 by the way is his age
01:50:10.800which is in no way as far as i'm concerned a coincidence and and that reminds me whenever
01:50:16.780we do finally talk about John Wayne Gacy yeah it turns out that John Wayne Gacy worked not only did
01:50:22.660he have 33 alleged victims he worked as a clown for Bresler's 33 flavors ice cream and he thought
01:50:30.720yeah no I swear to you and he thought this was was hilarious basically I thought it was uh kind
01:50:36.760of interesting I pulled videos of him this is what I planned on talking to you guys about I
01:50:40.920i swear to you i pulled clips i'm ready bro but uh it's uh it's funny because uh really i think
01:50:50.560it's it's important to realize that not only was he was he basically holding a job while leading
01:50:57.800a double life right at this this ice cream uh ridiculous brezzlers 33 flavored ice cream company0.96
01:51:03.900but he was this is during the time he's allegedly this homosexual serial killer who uh was0.98
01:51:08.820impersonating a cop every one of his vehicles he would buy new vehicles they would be all blacked0.57
01:51:13.420out it would have a spotlight on them uh he would he was he was impersonating a a cop and and
01:51:19.080basically provided him with this sort of opportunity to potentially procure children on behalf of the
01:51:24.440delta project but also he's impersonating a police officer inherently equipping him with this sort of
01:51:30.460like false sense of authority and security with the victim i did think that was interesting and
01:51:35.120kind of fascinating. And there's a mind control connection. He had an incredible amount of
01:51:40.860Valium that he was allegedly taking during the time that, and this is when he allegedly confessed,
01:51:46.200which is so crazy, that he revealed in this video with CBS News that basically he had an
01:51:54.080incredible drug habit, right, where he was taking an absurd amount of Valium, tons of Valium that
01:51:59.980he was taking, which led to what he claimed temporary amnesia during his alleged confession,
01:52:05.580man. And so I think you think that is you think that's like an altar coming. I think it was mind
01:52:12.660controlled. Absolutely. And I also think that there consider the possibility of pharmaceutical
01:52:18.180induced mind control, but also at the very least, a temporary absence of the internal psychological
01:52:23.600restraint that typically provides impulse control. That is what benzos do to you. Right. I remember
01:52:29.260i became a klepto when i took xanax dude like it legitimately the consequences the the the typical
01:52:35.920consequences that that you know you are usually they usually restrain you psychologically from
01:52:42.300engaging in this in this uh you know lack of impulse control yeah so it's interesting because
01:52:48.900volume like if it is it's great for a mind control thing because what is what needs to take place in
01:52:55.240order for the altar to come forward right or the programmed individual you need disassociation this
01:53:01.660is how we lost jordan peterson yeah dude honestly i think i think benzos are very much uh um you
01:53:09.980know it's just concerning for me personally because i know how over emotional and also kind
01:53:14.200of uh it also provides like this strange uh lack of of again it's this moral inhibition that you
01:53:22.760you, you no longer have, right. It's, it's a lack of moral inhibition, but it's brought about by
01:53:26.900this, like in, in a way, I think it could potentially with, with this specific case
01:53:32.180could have been brought about by the possible malevolent use of these pharmaceutical agents.
01:53:37.140Right. And so if you see, you know, and again, I'll have to show you guys the video at some
01:53:42.280point in the future, we'll discuss this and the case itself. Cause it's so much more important
01:53:47.060than, I mean, I, I won't put it that way, but what we did discuss, I thought was, was an
01:53:51.540interesting conversation and worth having but i do think that knowing and if you guys go back and
01:53:57.400i don't know if you watched that under the silver lake and all i did i i don't remember too much but
01:54:02.720i know i watched it and i found it fascinating awesome yeah there's there's a basically there's
01:54:08.800all this morse code is is included in the subliminal messaging and the pop music if you
01:54:14.520remember it was like i think the band was called uh jesus and the brides of dracula wasn't that the
01:54:20.700name of the band i think it might have been yeah dude it's crazy and and so it turns out andrew
01:54:27.740garfield's character it is playing back the albums uh in reverse you know like basically doing the
01:54:34.020old led zeppelin thing or pink floyd thing and and essentially discovers this subliminal messaging
01:54:39.700in the in the music and so but only in a specific number of songs right like the most it was
01:54:45.180basically the most popular songs on the album and so he then goes and he confronts the lead singer
01:54:50.960right the front man for that band jesus and the bride of dracula brides of dracula and and he0.98
01:54:56.500basically follows him into the bathroom and then starts beating his ass and demanding that he0.96
01:55:00.280explained to him why did you put this why did you bake in this subliminal messaging into the pop0.99
01:55:04.240music and he says he says actually it was a ghost writer and that he didn't write he said
01:55:10.680he said he didn't write those specific songs the most popular songs on the album the studio
01:55:16.800provided him with those songs and so i thought oh my god the concept of like how many of these
01:55:22.380celebrity constructs are even actively aware that they are engaged in this sort of underlying occult
01:55:28.860framework here yeah and and the owls kiss right if you remember this is a a concept in the film
01:55:35.020you have a female and by the way the whole time fireworks are are blasting off in the film as
01:55:40.260well in strange moments that are apparently signaling ascension in regard to the subterranean
01:55:47.140cult bunkers, right? Where the elites are basically ascending to that next plane of this
01:55:53.440new age philosophy as they ingratiate or they embed themselves in this underground tomb with1.00
01:55:58.340these young women. But anyway, the point being is that you have this female, right? Who's basically,
01:56:05.240if you remember in the film, she's crawling out. She doesn't even need an entry point.1.00
01:56:08.840She's crawling out of the guy's oven as, as if she just like entered a portal through his oven. And, uh, and so he's, so she's walking through his home completely naked, but with an owl mask on. All right. And this is a female assassin who was sent to enforce the cult's will and is basically representing the divine feminine.
01:56:30.080And so what's fascinating to me is that this divine feminine is tied to basically this longstanding elite cult in Hollywood. And the point being is that, and again, the overall concept is that the divine feminine is ultimately the celebrity culture acting as a spiritual trap, which is luring men into a cycle of overconsumption and helplessness, right?
01:56:56.840This is like the bottom line of what this, you know, sort of elite pseudoscientific religious transcendence that they're attempting to to write, engage in, in their ascension process.
01:57:11.800No, no, no. It's funny because we started earlier on in the conversation talking about some of the first films that they did in Hollywood and erecting the gates of Ishtar.
01:57:20.840ishtar is interchangeable with uh with hecate or with isis and and the the the symbol of the owl
01:57:29.280is directly associated with uh ishtar and that divine feminine the reason i'm saying that is
01:57:36.240because it's like all of hollywood's purpose is to drive us to this point where the divine feminine
01:57:42.820is more on display now than it ever has been and that spirit is that entity that they erected the0.81
01:57:48.120gates to in fucking 1913 so it's like one big you know that for the last hundred years we've0.71
01:57:54.720been subjected to a really long game i think and a lot of the telltale signs of it are on display0.91
01:58:00.880now but if you look at it it's been a long stretch for like the last hundred years right and and
01:58:06.780honestly man whenever you realize like that that uh and again it's like the morse code was actually
01:58:14.280applied to the fireworks to where the message translated to i ascend now which i thought was
01:58:20.560fascinating right and you have again this this sort of mythological parallels that are being
01:58:26.820presented in terms of like the greek myths and and uh you know the really it it's in regard to
01:58:35.040persephone and hades and the the to the the abduction and ritualistic use of these young
01:58:41.900women right which again is like egyptian mythology as well with with the underground tombs and osiris
01:58:48.920and things of that nature i think this is just like for for people who are unaware they should
01:58:54.380definitely go and and watch this film because i have to re-watch it now right because they
01:58:59.420claim essentially that the ultimate goal was for the plot to become a metaphor for millennial
01:59:05.400disillusionment and i thought that is such an oversimplification how dare you try and say that
01:59:11.080It's almost like they were gaslighting me throughout the whole process.
01:59:14.340And because, again, it's like you realize that if you remember the boiling point, the ultimate climax of the film is is when he goes to a gated community and breaks into this multimillion dollar mansion.
01:59:27.160That was the only property off limits for when the females were brought to this gated elite community and told that they were allowed to move freely through each of the houses in the entire gated community, except for that do not step foot into that ultimate billionaire's mansion at the top of the hill.
01:59:46.920And so Andrew Garfield's character ultimately finds himself obviously going there as the destination to, in a way, hopefully come back with a conclusion of what is actually happening.
01:59:59.120and uh and he he walks into a room where this old man that is almost like the face of all that is
02:00:07.160wrong in modern society uh right he's like this this ultimate psychological uh you know engineer
02:00:14.740of some kind who has been developing this pop culture for generations so he he says all of
02:00:22.180basically implicating false rebellions he said all the music that you rebelled uh against society
02:00:30.520to uh when you were a teenager right is basically uh it was basically a construct i wrote that music
02:00:38.800and he starts to play right like nirvana and he's playing like all the the greatest hits over over
02:00:44.240the years and and you begin to realize that none of those bands actually genuinely uh you know had
02:00:49.540construct their own art and so and so in reality the ultimate conclusion really becomes this kind
02:00:56.760of uh false rebellion right that that we've been inundated as a society that even if you believe
02:01:03.360you're rejecting the structured system you're actually facilitating it you're actually engaged0.96
02:01:08.560in it yeah whether you laurel canyon shit that's exactly what that is right it's like you hijack0.82
02:01:14.080well i don't know if it if it if it starts off that way it looks like because i don't think they0.83
02:01:18.640can create right it's the same reason that they need um ghost writers to insert a theme or an
02:01:25.400idea into somebody's artwork is because they cannot create the artwork they need actually
02:01:30.380gifted people to come along and do that then they can co-opt it and it's the same thing with these
02:01:35.740these movements where you think that you're rebelling against the status quo or whatever
02:01:39.140the psychedelics movement or the anti-war movement or you name it gets hijacked they can't create that
02:01:44.480movement although in some cases i think they they can kind of inspire it um but you still need
02:01:50.360radical talented gifted people to create it you can create a tinderbox in which you know all of
02:01:56.680the elements are there for it to spring forth but you still can't do it without the actual gifted
02:02:02.580people um but that's it's shortly afterwards co-opted and then steered and infiltrated and
02:02:09.820you know, funded and pushed in this direction or that direction, but that's their MO. They can't
02:02:15.840create, they can only take a thing and twist it. Absolutely. And honestly, I'll, you know,
02:02:23.180I'll, I'll conclude with this because I really do have to go to the bathroom and beyond that,
02:02:27.120I'm sure. No, I, and again, man, I appreciate you both more than you both realize. Honestly,
02:02:36.100It's something that means the world to me to have have have these friendships.
02:02:40.680And and I just think that knowing, you know, there there was when I went to Vegas this past past time, we were having a conversation in regard to, again, this pop culture being utilized as a tool and weaponized in a very real way to.
02:02:56.900i mean obviously cast the spell uh ultimately in regard to deliberately deceiving uh the the
02:03:07.460general public and and ron introduced me to a quote from rudolph steiner that i had never read
02:03:13.800in my life and and it honestly it it resonated with me it was something i felt like was worth
02:03:19.660reiterating at some point and and so clearly rudolph steiner is an overt blatant new age
02:03:26.760occultists and yeah interesting thing here or there to say though exactly and i also think uh
02:03:33.300that is really the best the best opportunities were provided are are when they hang themselves
02:03:38.240by their own words you know and i think that they do this so very often that we need to pay attention
02:03:43.240more you know and take them seriously because they they aren't saying these things for no for
02:03:47.680no reason right and and so but rudolph steiner had this statement that he made and it was there
02:03:55.140are beings in the spiritual realms for whom anxiety and fear emanating from human beings
02:04:01.180offer welcome food. When humans have no anxiety and fear, then these creatures starve. People
02:04:09.620not yet sufficiently convinced of this statement could understand it to be meant comparatively
02:04:14.660only. But for those who are familiar with this phenomenon, it is a reality. If fear
02:04:21.160and anxiety radiate from people and they break out and panic, then these creatures find welcome
02:04:26.960nutrition and they become more and more powerful. These beings are hostile towards humanity.
02:04:33.720Everything that feeds on negative feelings, on anxiety, fear and superstition, despair or doubt
02:04:40.220are in reality hostile forces in super sensible worlds, launching cruel attacks on human beings
02:04:48.880while they are being fed therefore it is a it is above all necessary to begin with that the person
02:04:56.080who enters the spiritual world overcome fear feelings of helplessness despair and anxiety
02:05:01.960but these are exactly the feelings that belong to contemporary culture and materialism
02:05:07.080because it estranges people from the spiritual world it is especially suited to evoke hopelessness
02:05:13.660and fear of the unknown and people thereby calling up the above mentioned hostile forces against
02:05:19.500them and i just thought that's a banger that's amazing right and in terms of this is the loose
02:05:28.660stealing that you know sam has referenced so often in the past and things of that nature and
02:05:34.160and just knowing that honestly i very much believe that this is something far more critical for us to
02:05:41.500prioritize and be ultimately aware of for our own you know well-being and the well-being of our
02:05:47.360families that it should take priority and and again it's uh anyway to reiterate and kind of
02:05:53.760like call back to the original statement of of hollywood and the druidic wands composition um
02:06:00.500it's it's up to us to finally once and for all attempt to break the spell right that's been
02:06:05.960cast upon generations of, I mean, just generations of naturally organically occurring, you know,
02:06:15.520well-meaning individuals who hope to, you know, have a positive impact on the people around them
02:06:21.540and society at large. But in reality, they've been ultimately, they've been not only spiritually
02:06:29.100betrayed, but spiritually deprived. And I think understanding that you are in that inherent
02:06:35.460disadvantage is the only way to kind of i think defend yourself against you know again at the
02:06:44.160very least manufacture a defense mechanism where you can intellectually defend yourself right and
02:06:48.660and internalize things without being led by the nose and told exactly how you should conclude
02:06:54.440and yeah nothing but that was actually that was our by design you know to strip us of our
02:07:01.820relationship with the spiritual and i think that people need to close that gap because what is
02:07:08.680clear is this this machine that is um i like what he talked about where where those those um
02:07:17.180emotions or those things that they feed off of despair and fear and all these things these are
02:07:22.860the machinations of the material realm and these are also the same things that all the propaganda
02:07:29.880machines hope to evoke from you so that they can feed if these truly are spiritual principles
02:07:35.060and you look at that propaganda machine and it's sort of reaching um a crescendo right it's it's
02:07:43.760it's getting to this really gigantic place um whatever it aims to do is spiritual and it looks
02:07:52.720like it's getting ready to do it i think people would do well to reintroduce themselves to the
02:07:58.480spiritual realm and figure it out rapidly. In my estimation, that is align yourself with Jesus
02:08:04.160Christ, fill yourself with that spirit and do the bidding of God to the best of your abilities. Get
02:08:09.480good at hearing that voice because we're all doing the bidding of some spirit at any given time.
02:08:14.100But if this thing is playing a spiritual game and it's ready to pull the trigger on us and we have
02:08:20.280to all of a sudden reintegrate with the spiritual, understand it, and then align to the correct side,
02:08:26.360you don't really have a lot of time to do that