00:14:49.560a bathroom at the standard yeah and get1.00
00:14:51.420salvation and you get baptized in a fucking puddle0.99
00:14:53.440I don't think it's rocket science if they're saying you1.00
00:14:55.560must come through our church for salvation
00:14:57.340the scripture is clear you must go through jesus for salvation right so that would be one place
00:15:01.320where it's not accessible my question is and i'm really asking this and it's not to be offensive0.70
00:15:06.460to uh orthodox people although i don't give a fuck um is salvation even attainable through
00:15:14.120that church that's what i'm asking through the orthodox church yeah they believe that it's not0.75
00:15:19.820attainable anywhere else i'm saying i don't think it's attainable in there specifically0.97
00:15:23.460because what you produce is shit i don't know their position enough to speak on it but if0.98
00:15:29.280their position is you must go through us to get salvation then there is no salvation in that0.99
00:15:34.300institution right but but you must go through christ we'd also be we'd also be limiting the
00:15:38.780power of jesus christ and god operating wherever he sees fit so right but he's already placed those
00:15:44.840limits you must go through no man comes to the father but by me that's very clear by jesus like
00:15:49.380it's very clear is he there is he there in some form or fashion i don't know but if they're if
00:15:53.680he's there watching and they're saying you must go through our man-made institution he doesn't
00:15:58.120care if he's there or not yeah he's watching that's what i'm saying everybody has a different
00:16:02.320walk you walk through gnosticism and uh conspiracy you walk through drugs and i walk through being
00:16:09.040kicked out of a church and through these through these ways in a way we find christ again and we
00:16:15.420find what was actually trying to be told told to us probably our entire life um i have a hard time1.00
00:16:22.120believing that they're finding this at all because what this produces is a bunch of retarded faggots1.00
00:16:29.200retarded faggots that just want to argue and it's like every single one of them every single one of1.00
00:16:38.040them are exactly the same and then they go well this is the online sect of us i'm sure there's1.00
00:16:42.560Hold on, Matt. And it's not the online. It's not just the online sector view. This is everybody. I know. And again, oh, what are you just online? What are you just a podcast? No, we're in a fucking very public place. So people walk in and out of here. And some of the worst people that have walked in and out of here has been a guy with a cape and somebody that I previously knew that is now Orthodox. They suck. Just does Jay Dyer suck? I don't think so. I think he sucks because he's Orthodox.
00:17:07.820I think that the orthodoxy, the Christian orthodoxy in that specific church breeds this bullshit.1.00
00:28:19.400all I'm trying to do is tell you about Jesus Christ,
00:28:21.760and hopefully you can take that and move on with that and then grow in your walk. I can't change
00:28:27.600that. But if you're going to push people away and you're going to push force multipliers away,0.90
00:28:32.980not just a regular dude, you're going to push an Owen Benjamin away like, oh, you blaspheme the
00:28:38.740Trinity. You debated him on the Trinity. This is a complex subject that people don't understand.
00:28:44.200And all you did was corner somebody and say, you believe like how I believe. And now guess what?
00:28:49.200he's better at persuasion than you are because well one of you has diarrhea the other one can't1.00
00:28:54.480open a pickle jar and the other guy does shitty drawings of pizza art you're fucking nobodies0.99
00:28:58.820you push somebody that's extremely persuasive away and then on top of that you continue to cry0.98
00:29:05.380that he's blaspheming that he's disrespect you did that take responsibility what you're doing0.99
00:29:11.460here is actually counterproductive but then they'll sit on their fucking little holy sepulcher0.96
00:29:15.580and point at everybody else and say that no what you're doing is counterproductive look at the0.99
00:29:19.500protestantism look at this oh my shut the fuck up man we're not called here to do that you're1.00
00:29:24.720called here to point at god that's it none of this other bullshit that you continue to add on1.00
00:29:29.540to religion yeah i mean well i guess that's what it is it's just religion it's just religion it's0.89
00:29:33.780just debate it's not a way of life you guys have zero relationship with a living god this is why0.98
00:29:38.920i say can you find this in the orthodox church i don't think so i haven't met one fucking person0.86
00:29:44.360in there that i looked at them and go hey man that guy is living in a living relationship with1.00
00:29:49.660god absolutely not you're not aimed at god that's sin that is sin you know fuck you this moment that0.99
00:29:59.060i had in the church that i make fun of and this is kind of you know the the root of one of my issues1.00
00:30:06.300with the whole orthodox thing is if you can't poke fun at the shit that they're doing wrong without0.98
00:30:12.160them crumbling and calling you demonic and all this other shit then i see a real problem with0.99
00:30:16.840that the church that i go to which is a protestant church right it's a it's pentecostal which they0.97
00:30:23.620make fun of constantly which i make fun of constantly on this show i make fun of that church
00:30:28.460uh it was very clear once again that god was in that church speaking through that missions guy
00:30:36.320in fact after the however long the songs took wait up so you mean he wasn't at the uh
00:30:43.900he wasn't at the orthodox church well i don't know he's omnipresent i guess he could be a
00:30:48.840couple of places at once it's weird but i actually said to you i got up and i left when the missions0.95
00:30:56.440guy started preaching i said something snide and arrogant like uh i don't want to fucking listen to0.85
00:31:02.000this and i got up and went to go take a piss i came back and that dude was talking directly about0.94
00:31:08.460the situation we were talking to james about so we had james williams from dark waters on0.98
00:31:13.980and so much of the fucking my favorite black guy my favorite guy period right not just black guy0.98
00:31:18.620um but i was talking to him about obedience to god you know trying to hear god's voice and then1.00
00:31:25.440coming to this dark realization that god had called me to do a thing and that i had not done
00:31:30.860i had been disobedient or that god had been speaking and i hadn't been listening and i
00:31:37.620talked to james privately after that a great deal more on the topic and then i actually cut out time
00:31:43.960in my day to try to do this thing that i thought that god was telling me to do so that's what0.98
00:31:49.580happens saturday and then sunday i sit down and the whole fucking sermon from the missionary0.97
00:31:54.840is about god calling you to do a thing and you not hearing it and that thing doesn't just go away0.96
00:32:01.680god doesn't just tell you to do something and then retract it when you don't do it that thing
00:32:06.280is still on you that calling is still on you you're still supposed to do that job there's no0.95
00:32:10.460expiration date on it if god calls you to do something when you're fucking 20 and you still0.95
00:32:16.060haven't done it at 50 years old there's no expiration date on it you still got to get up0.89
00:32:19.700and go do that thing and like the whole sermon was catered to almost i mean not almost it was
00:32:28.740exactly what i was going through that's the case so often when we go to that church and i don't
00:32:34.100think that it's special to our church and i guess this is a question for the orthodox church i
00:32:38.800personally think that god will use whatever it is so if it's dudes singing a song that you think is0.98
00:32:45.600cringy for 15 fucking minutes and then making you repeat a bunch of goofy ass phrases and then0.97
00:32:52.100making you get up and say hello to your neighbor for 60 seconds that literally makes me want to0.99
00:32:56.140die when he does that um and then right after that god still talks so like yeah man as far as
00:33:03.140the orthodox church goes now imagine i'm just saying like imagine being a part of this system1.00
00:33:08.420and saying no absolutely not that's not the case you're an idiot it only functions here in this1.00
00:33:14.640very boring that's crazy in these gold walls with all of our iconography around that's our fucking1.00
00:33:20.020garbage it's garbage too i'm just like i mean now that i'm looking at you guys now now i have the0.99
00:33:25.400microscope out even more before i didn't want to look i didn't want to look i was like very happy0.97
00:33:29.740with you doing what you're doing but the more i look the more i'm like yeah this is it's just0.99
00:33:32.760catholicism you're not even doing catholicism as good as catholics you guys fucking suck you could0.99
00:33:37.740have had the vatican but your art was so bad that people left the church draw fingers correctly it's0.99
00:33:43.360i mean that's why they didn't get the madigan it's it's yeah to be honest it's probably why
00:33:47.600it comes down to the artwork it comes down to persuasion you guys wanted to debate people into
00:33:51.380being gay like you and they were like yeah not i'm not gay what's a similar conversation that
00:33:55.860we had with matt in the early days of this parker morris says every church is corrupt every church
00:33:59.640still has god and uh and you know matt would say early on in in our kind of uh i don't know
00:34:08.300getting together friendship whatever uh whatever this is whatever this thing is
00:34:12.060but you used to say that it's a dead system and top would defend it and i was kind of like not
00:34:30.200too sure because i'm new to the whole thing um but top would say that god still operates through it
00:34:36.740And then eventually you'd come around and you would say, yeah, there's still real ones in the system, but the system itself is dead.
00:34:42.140I think that's more than likely the case of all of the churches to Parker Morris's point.
00:34:48.620But it does seem that I don't think God operates in a place that has designated itself in the place of God, specifically saying.
00:34:57.520So that goes for the Catholic Church as well.
00:34:59.420And any other denomination that's saying salvation is is is held by me.
00:35:03.540You have to come through me to get this and also $700, which is, oh, that's, that's been a misconception, right? It's been debunked. No, it hasn't.
00:35:11.160No, I think that God operates not on an institutional basis, but on an individual basis. We're called to have an individual relationship with God. I think that more than likely God is still moving through the fucking Jehovah's Witnesses.
00:35:22.280i'm just saying now i've revised my position on the orthodox church because i've received a number0.98
00:35:26.760of of messages people going like hey man i've been seeing what you're saying about these guys
00:35:31.040and i've been doing research on them and looking at them i was actually thinking about going there
00:35:35.060but after seeing what you said i don't want to go there and i go you're considering going to
00:35:40.020orthodox church no not him no somebody else other people and i go i think you should still go there
00:35:44.640i think god exists in those walls maybe you should go but now after after the experiences that i've0.99
00:35:48.920had with a lot of the people and just looking into this fucking garbage system i tell people0.95
00:35:53.160like yo don't go i don't think god is there man i think like this might it's like going to the0.99
00:35:57.480temple of satan don't go in there this is a complete blasphemy of god of what exists
00:36:03.540just don't go well we haven't even unpacked what happened so so the last thing we kind of
00:36:09.700mentioned to the audience in the timeline was that there was supposed to be this debate between
00:36:12.640owen benjamin and jay dyer and it was on the cusp of being set up and then owen uh posted this image
00:36:19.660i don't know if you have the image oh you do have the image you want to just put am i mistaken in
00:36:24.360my understanding i'm trying to really grasp why this thing didn't go through well this actually
00:36:29.840it's because it's funny leading up to this leading up to this uh you you had said oh man jay dyer
00:36:35.720like unfollowed me this was like before the oh and i was like really is it like he looked i looked
00:36:39.700up my twin i was like oh yeah me too i was like oh okay i see uh you're just fighting the orthodox
00:36:43.700yeah well not fighting them but from what i've said a month ago yeah to his boyfriend jim bob
00:36:48.400i was like yeah well this is exactly what i think about it and you're not gonna do jim bob by the0.96
00:36:52.400way super fucking sketchy like i'm sorry man i don't i don't want to call super crazy shit on0.86
00:36:57.180people right like and it's a super crazy thing that i'm calling on jim bob but i'm going to i'm0.96
00:37:02.780going to take the example of the vocal minority uh that is online orthodoxy as evidence for the
00:37:08.180entire church because i've met you guys in real life and actually i kind of know you off of uh0.98
00:37:13.460i know you off of uh not off the internet but like on a separate basis and you suck too xerox1.00
00:37:19.500no xerox would never i thought xerox was okay man no no he's you fucking suck this is what i'm0.99
00:37:26.600saying and i know you before you were orthodox too oh he used to be chill and then xerox was0.99
00:37:31.460always orthodox wasn't he he has the little uh cartoon character uh no he wasn't oh so we're
00:37:37.080done with that like i like again i pressure tested this and it's it's sort of proven whatever he says0.94
00:37:41.580ily means i don't know get the fuck out of my chat dog um no zero supposed to like get back0.50
00:37:46.460in good graces so no what no can you pull this image up because this is what yeah the whole0.78
00:37:52.400thing fell apart over and this is what i don't understand and i could be wrong in my understanding
00:37:58.260that this is why it didn't go through but owen benjamin posted this picture this is artwork from
00:38:03.980one of uh the people in his community and um and it's jay dyer and i i was he called the saint
00:38:10.860saint diarrhea or something like that and um you know it's got like the the neon well this is this
00:38:17.140is also so jay again uh invited owen to a debate over nothing uh there's no premise i guess like
00:38:25.040debate whatever and they hadn't determined yeah it was like this crazy idea where we were gonna
00:38:29.540and then figure out what we were going to debate later on somebody out and debate uh so he goes
00:38:34.940i'll debate you whatever no one goes yeah i'll pick whatever you want i'll pick the the opposite
00:38:38.580side of it so he goes okay fine and then he goes jay says uh well let's just make this a roast
00:38:45.400battle because i guess jay dyer thinks he's a comedian of some type so no one goes okay fine
00:38:49.780we'll make it a roast and then he starts to just preemptively roast him and he quits yeah well they
00:38:55.780had agreed to that uh i saw jay post he was like um there's been maybe we should do a a roast it's
00:39:01.100never been an agreement it was always jay saying let's debate and owen saying hey whatever and he
00:39:05.420goes let's do this and i'm going fine name the police yeah and then he goes let's make this a
00:39:09.540roast and he goes even better so jay i mean uh owen posts this and then effectively jay says hey
00:39:16.320he's blaspheming against my religion which i take very seriously so i'm not doing this but who does
00:39:20.640artwork like that and takes themselves seriously like like take all the poop out of it in the head
00:39:25.140and the plunger and the toilet paper like that's their artwork anyway is like that yeah who's
00:39:30.960saying that's representative of christ or anything in the kingdom of god like artwork like that it's
00:39:36.180not even representative of a human being of the human form but i don't know yeah the shape is
00:39:41.740weird the whole vibe is weird dude that's what i'm saying that music from the beginning how dare
00:39:45.760you i think it's meant to demoralize it's all the same vibe this is meant to demoralize the viewer
00:39:50.740simple as that god's creation is beautiful human beings are god's ultimate creation why do they
00:39:56.820mangle this artwork like this why do they mangle corporate art i don't know i'm really trying to
00:40:01.240think about it that i'd be interested in knowing why except then you would have to try to understand
00:40:05.380the long and convoluted history of why this artwork is relevant to the orthodox church and
00:40:09.800that sounds like i'd rather fucking kill myself so uh after this happens they go their separate ways0.58
00:40:15.320the debate falls apart owen's accused of blaspheming what i don't understand is long0.95
00:40:19.860before this image was being toted about on the internet owen was doing his jokes about the
00:40:25.560homosexual relationship that is the holy trinity and that wasn't enough to deter jay jay was still
00:40:31.260because that's a long-running bit with owen so that was okay but that image somehow is too far0.68
00:40:37.340yeah that's weird it's not it's just cowardice you've called somebody out to a debate then