Pearl - August 28, 2025Age Of The Mids： How Men and Women View Beauty Differently
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Summary
In this episode, we have our first guest on the show, Pisha Payne. Pisha is an influencer, podcaster, writer, and beauty expert. She has been with us for a long time, and we have come to know her over the years. In this episode we talk about how she rates women, what it's like to be a beauty queen, and why she thinks Millie Bobby Brown is a dog and a half.
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Because beautiful women will go to an A-level city, where midwomen will go to generally a B-level city.
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Because midwomen can't compete in the A-levels.
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Because she's really close to beautiful, but her face is just a little bit...
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Like, she's like, in some pictures, I think she's beautiful.
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But I'll just see ones like this occasionally, where I'm like, hmm.
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It's like another world to me, because I just don't think about people like that.
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Like, when I see celebrities, they're just like...
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They are this abstract concept of, this is probably a beautiful woman.
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Like, when I see even YouTubers and influencers, like most influencers I know are beautiful people.
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No offense, I just can't trust your ratings after the rating you did, Pisha Payne.
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Okay, wait, I'll give you a more acceptable one.
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She's pretty, but I would not put her above in...
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She's the best rating you've given, but I need to see a body picture.
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I'm telling you, you're not going to find an influencer with a female audience that's
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Women feel too icky when they see women too hot.
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Men subtract more for women being flat than women do.
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So, for women, it's skinny first, curves second.
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If I ever forget or do bad on a rating, it's usually because I overrated skinny and underrated
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Like, when I think of like, oh, that's a beautiful person.
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I'm just like, oh, that's a really beautiful girl.
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Well, I do a lot of like mid-watch on this show.
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Like, I talk about the trends that beautiful women do.
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Because beautiful women will go to an A-level city where mid-women will go to generally a
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Because mid-women can't compete in the A-levels.
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So, I gotta rate you to see what you can get, you know, in the open market.
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And I would say, P.M., maybe that you've grown up in the age of mids.
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I mean, people try to say that, like, who's that Millie Bobby Brown?
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So, I think the days of having nines and tens in movies was literally before your time.
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Like, we had the Pamela Anderson's and stuff back in my day.
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But, like, the women, the Zendaya's and the Zoe Kravitz's and the Millie Bobby Brown's,
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they're like sixes and six, maybe sevens at best.
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I don't agree with you, but like why do we need an achievement?
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Okay, so that's like, I'm going to tell you the equivalent.
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So the equivalent of that for men is like, why don't we have people in the rec league playing in the NBA?
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That's like saying, why, like that would be like if the men came forward and they said,
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Can we have more rec league players in the Premier League?
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I don't know if I'd agree with that because I think diversity is really good to have.
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So men like hierarchy where women always want it to be egalitarian.
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They want everyone to be equal and like feel good.
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Like when I, I don't know, you might've had this as a ginger kid.
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Like when I was a ginger kid growing up, I loved the little mermaid.
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And so I think about like, I think minorities anymore.
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I'm like, you know, I feel like, do you know, we, we keep getting replaced.
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Like all of the ginger women, Spider-Man man was replaced.
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The little mermaid was like, there's a horse to go.
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I just, there's a redhead genocide in Hollywood right now.
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I think it's nice to see people like you on screen and like, as a ginger, I feel that
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So I can imagine like if I was an ethnic minority or whatever, I would definitely feel that way
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I want an eight plus, no mid, give me a ginger that makes me feel bad about myself.
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So I think anything that you have to be successful at or anything you make money at
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I don't want to do it, but I have to do it to make money.
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So I don't mind the fact that female models have to be like five foot 11 and 125 pounds.
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If you want to be a supermodel, it should take sacrifice.
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I want to see you eating coffee, cotton balls and fricking smoking cigarettes and drinking
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Anything that requires a lot of money should be hard.
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I don't, I don't know why you think that though.
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Like, I just don't relate to that feeling of like, these people need to work hard.
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Like, I think if you have success, you have success and that's good for you.
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Like, I don't even think it's about working for success.
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It's not, it's like the issue with a lot of this, like body positivity and diversity.
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Like, did you see that beauty pageant, like I think a year ago where a plus size woman
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won first place over somebody skinny, like, like the point is that the plus size woman
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basically just showed up, put on a pretty dress and then won first place.
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Whereas the person who was skinny, she did a calorie deficit.
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She worked out, she went on walks, she woke up early so she could work out before she
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It's the same thing with like all the diversity that's going on.
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But you're more likely to get into that university if you're black or of another minority rather
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My, one of my friends, one of my really good friends got rejected from that university,
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She had great test scores, but a different person I know didn't have a 4.0, but they
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So it's not about, it's not about, um, that just sounds like such an anecdotal thing.
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I don't want to get into like race debates because one, I live in England and in America,
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I think there's quite a different environment over there.
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But like, I, yeah, I don't, I don't want to get into that.
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I'll talk about body positivity, but like when it comes to, yeah, but I think she's
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just about the, yeah, it's just about like the inclusivity.
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It's the same thing with like, we shouldn't have fat people winning beauty pageants because
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the skinny people work 10 times harder to win and they lose to fat people because we're
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saying fat people are allowed in these things and they should win.
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And we're saying that they are a 10, even though they're a 2.
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And I think that that, like, I think that's cope.
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If something is based solely on like a bikini round and this and that, like the objective
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standard is like, no, the plus size person should not win that.
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If there's like positive discrimination towards these people, which is what I'm assuming you're
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Like no, like fat person should win the biggest loser.
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But, um, I lost my, like, I was a plus size model and I lost my plus size modeling contract
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Like, you know, it's, it's, it's more about representation and clothes.
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And a lot of the modeling I did was wardrobe modeling, which is when you go in and you
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are a set size and they just do the clothes to you.
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Like, it's not to do with like, oh, I don't want to see this fat model on my screen.
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No, but it is indirectly though, because women are buying.
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And so it just, if you follow the female dollar, it makes sense because there's going to be
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And women can't deal with like women on screen being hotter.
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So they'll just have more jobs for fat women and fat models.
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And the sad part about it is, um, a guy will see Chris Evans and Avengers with his shirt
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off and be like, and it'll inspire him to go to the gym, right?
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A woman will see Pia here and be like, and feel threatened and be like, oh, she shouldn't
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They'll see Scarlett Johansson or some attractive woman and feel threatened or triggered by it.
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So why can men be inspired, inspired by men that are in shape and have ads, but women
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Um, I just, yeah, that was going to be, in my opinion, sorry, sorry, I was going to say,
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When you said earlier that you lost all your Instagram likes when you got skinny, it's
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So all these women were liking your pictures because they're like, oh, I'm prettier than
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And now these women don't want to have anything to do with you because they feel intimidated by
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you because you got skinny, because you lost the weight, because you're prettier
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I'm sure that there is a degree of that within people, but I think it's quite pessimistic
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Like I don't feel intimidated when I feel I see an attractive woman and I didn't when
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Like I had a couple of fat friends, but all of my friends were beautiful, thin women, you
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know, and they still are because they're the same friends.
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But like, I don't know, I just I didn't feel that way.
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I think if you're comfortable in yourself, you don't feel that way.
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Like, I think it's great to have everyone on TV.
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I like seeing incredibly attractive people as much as I like seeing people that represent
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Well, I don't think you can pick out incredibly attractive people based on who you selected,
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Um, that's, I just, it's pretty normal for women.
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If you picked them, like you picked out the most attractive people ever to make a TV show
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You said I picked out the most attractive girls I could to put on the thumbnails.
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Like I, you know, I wouldn't ever have anything against those women.
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And if I thought they had something positive to say, I would follow them and encourage
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You know, I just think people need to be more comfortable with themselves.
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Yeah, well, I'll let, I'll close out on that point, um, because we are about to hit the
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two hour mark, but yeah, thank you so much for coming.
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I was thinking your opinions would have changed a little bit, but it seems like they're pretty
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Um, do you have any final thoughts you want to tell the crowd, the people?
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Uh, actually, I actually love, you could actually put all your beliefs like that because, um,
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I actually don't know who the other competitor is in America, but Trump's kind of off the
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Anyway, I feel like the chat's really like me and now I'm gonna.
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Your English, your opinion about Trump doesn't count.
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So, you know, we're actually looking to do more debate shows like once or twice a week.
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So we'd love to have you back if you do want to argue some points.
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I have my sister on the line, my brother's friend, and now I'm thin.
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You should have got him on to talk about body positivity again.
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Yeah, you should want to be in good health so the people that love you on this planet,
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you can be here for them to love you as long as possible.
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And you're going to be here longer enough to do that if you are not a fat slob whale.
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Don't discount all of the work you've done because it kind of sounds like you're doing that.
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And also, there's going to be a time where you're going to have to stop caping for these
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people because they will not reciprocate the support that you have for them back.
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They're going to eat you alive because you care about your health.
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If you have a family and you're in shape, they're going to eat you alive.
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So just watch out because you're giving support to people that want to support you back.