Pearl - Biology Doesn't Care About Your Feelings

00:00:00.000 it's not men always find the smartest way to lose weight women not so much we find like the most

00:00:05.240 unintelligent way to do it are americans fat phobic and obsessed with unrealistic beauty

00:00:10.460 standards or has the body positivity movement normalized unhealthy habits and lifestyles

00:00:16.200 i'm john rigolato and today we're gonna have a debate about what it means to be healthy

00:00:20.240 jillian how are you feeling i feel good debaters you ready to come at jillian with your best

00:00:25.180 arguments all right let's get into it hi i'm julian michaels i'm a fitness expert and a health

00:00:30.780 advocate and the goat today i am surrounded by 20 body positivity activists all right my first

00:00:37.900 surrounded claim is that obesity is not healthy and pretending it is puts lives at risk if you

00:00:43.420 want to be the first debater get to the chair in three two one hi i'm edie nice to meet you

00:00:50.460 an eating disorder therapist i'm gonna do my best to not use the o word because i find it

00:00:55.500 you're so stupid you can't even use a word without getting offended i mean that's a level of

00:00:59.740 stupidity um i gotta give her props for sitting down with and i'm supposed to take you seriously

00:01:05.740 yeah the most exercise they've had in their lives is walking to that chair i know it um

00:01:11.740 pretty offensive uh so i'm gonna use fat bodied um as we talk okay um do you understand why people

00:01:19.100 find it harmful and triggering overweight and obese is literally just having too much body fat

00:01:25.980 it has nothing to do with the quality of the person yeah i agree with you on that

00:01:31.900 it it means you have a negative trait right and as someone that was overweight it meant i lacked

00:01:36.300 discipline to stop eating right so are we gonna debate the claim yeah i just wanted to yeah i

00:01:42.460 wanted to clarify though we're gonna pretend like i'm a three and you're my mommy telling me how to

00:01:47.100 talk wow okay okay so the claim that you're saying do this they throw the first punch and then when

00:01:54.380 she punches back they say oh okay and like then they get offended is that it is inherently unhealthy

00:02:02.700 to live in a fat body it's inherent inherently unhealthy to have excess body fat yes okay where

00:02:10.140 are you getting that information from okay there are dozens of mrt trials that show having excess

00:02:18.060 body fat dozens is causal not correlated no that's not true there is no disease that just

00:02:25.580 fat-bodied people get i didn't say that i didn't say that but obesity lends itself to all cause

00:02:33.020 mortality across the board have you heard of something called adiposopathy okay so you know

00:02:38.700 it means literally sick fat and you understand how it works okay tell me how it works so it's

00:02:46.220 a additional layer of fat in the stomach area no that's not what it is it works

00:02:52.300 as follows when we eat too much food that has energy oh my god now she's pissed because

00:02:59.020 oh my gosh that we're not utilizing the body needs to put that energy somewhere right so

00:03:04.460 it puts it in fat cells so it puts it in initially subcutaneous fat cells a little bit of visceral

00:03:10.060 fat which is fat around the organs and at first you have hyperplasia which means we're recruiting

00:03:15.820 new little fat cells which isn't necessarily a bad thing up to a point now the issue is that once you

00:03:23.100 can no longer recruit more fat cells right you get hypertrophy so the fat cells start to expand

00:03:30.060 and this is exceptionally dangerous because what ends up happening is the blood vessels

00:03:35.340 get outpaced so the fat cells can't get oxygen and they start screaming literally and when they do

00:03:42.380 they release cytokines inflammatory proteins right i want to of course you do want to pause

00:03:49.740 because it's irrefutable you don't even know what i'm talking about so dillian okay first of all i

00:03:56.380 i don't appreciate the way that you're speaking here you called me out for just oh my god see

00:04:00.940 this women just can't take an l you took an l you looked stupid and now you're pretending you didn't

00:04:06.300 look stupid trying to understand the languaging and saying i was talking to like a three-year-old

00:04:10.620 i thought i was talking to you very respectfully you're talking to me very disrespectfully right

00:04:14.220 now here's the thing i i want to you're telling me you understand it but you don't understand it

00:04:20.300 but what i understand is that what's lipotoxicity i don't want to talk about i am not okay here i'm

00:04:26.060 going to say this straight out i am not a medical doctor okay so i'm not going to talk to you about

00:04:30.620 medical diagnosis because that's outside my scope and i'm fully willing hey i'm fully willing to be

00:04:35.500 wrong what i am here to talk to you about is the fact that people in fat bodies are irregularly

00:04:42.060 harmed going into the medical system every single day because of the term the o word so that's what

00:04:48.220 you want to litigate yeah okay that's not the claim the idea that fat bodied people are inherently

00:04:55.980 unhealthy is i believe incorrect no i'm not wrong a robust amount of data i'm not wrong okay so let

00:05:02.700 me finish you can't look at let me finish let me finish my cup first you can't look at a person's

00:05:08.060 body and tell whether william's like a smart person and for a woman i never call women smart

00:05:14.060 but she's actually smart doug mp why did you say that he says jillian's getting me hard right now

00:05:20.540 she likes women you know but not they're what tell their health status so fat is an endocrine

00:05:26.220 you see what i mean it's like such a waste of her time arguing with such a stupid person

00:05:31.260 you know and that's what you know my father explained this to me um like i would always be

00:05:37.900 worried about the internet when i first got on it and my dad um he was like why do you care

00:05:44.380 about their opinions and i think men inherently size each other up and say this person's retarded

00:05:49.420 why do i care but women we don't know how retarded we are and we don't know how retarded other people

00:05:55.100 are so in the organ when it over grows it does wreak havoc in the body i didn't finish telling

00:06:02.380 you what happens so when the oxygen can't get to those fat cells they'll die and they'll rupture

00:06:09.260 and then the immune system starts dumping macrophages in to try to clean it up but do

00:06:12.940 you know what's even more unhealthy is weight cycling and as we talked about earlier only

00:06:17.820 except for your your your people who have if you want to talk about that claim we can the claim is

00:06:25.420 so then what are you supposed to do though so let's say this person is in a fat body and they

00:06:29.660 are inherently unhealthy right we're telling they're they're unhealthy because they're in this

00:06:34.060 okay when i was fat i stopped drinking 250 i would get a 250 calorie um caramel latte and a lot of

00:06:42.140 of times i would get two now my latte drink the highest calorie one i get is 100 calories so i

00:06:49.660 can have two and that's you know like and by the way most of mine are like 50 but if i if i'm really

00:06:56.940 splurging i'll get a 100 calorie one and it's just like little replacements that over time add up you

00:07:03.820 know that body what are they supposed to do will be more significantly more prone to all cause

00:07:09.500 mortality for me intentional weight loss fails 95 to 98 of the time so what is that you would

00:07:16.540 probably do this better than me because weight is not an individualistic pursuit you narrow it down

00:07:24.460 to this idea that it's causal like that they're just not trying hard enough but that is it's

00:07:29.500 multifactorial unquestionably a lot of people lose weight the problem right is that they put it back

00:07:36.380 off are we in agreement yes okay great why do you think okay we've got a pause damn it all right

00:07:44.940 i'm getting somewhere yeah but i voted out by the majority please return to your seat

00:07:50.060 okay hello hi i have lived in the fact that she has to convert like this is why i didn't want to

00:07:55.660 do this um this show because i'm like why do i have to converse with these people i have done enough

00:08:02.860 i have conversed with losers i did it for two years straight that's my contribution okay body

00:08:11.020 for like as long as i can remember and i've known very many fat people and i don't think any of us

00:08:16.780 the people that i know i can only speak to the people that i know i don't think any of us are

00:08:21.420 pretending that we're okay with it what i want to say here is i i live with autoimmune disorders i

00:08:29.340 live with chronic illness and i'm also neurodivergent but a lot of the um disorders are

00:08:36.620 caused by eating too much like you know i noticed that my allergies aren't i mean they're still kind

00:08:41.900 of bad but they got less bad the more i lost weight you know so let's see and this is the

00:08:48.300 body positivity movement has made it so that i can tolerate this life i can find ways to thrive

00:08:57.180 even still um but i'm not pretending that this doesn't bother me and by bother i mean

00:09:05.660 that it doesn't hurt to carry my weight i'm willing to concede with you that carrying around

00:09:12.060 extra weight is harder it is but i it must be done i don't know that i agree with you okay

00:09:19.820 tell me more please well tell me why you think it must be done because i've worked really hard

00:09:23.900 hard to not have have you can work hard and not work smart like i used to run um marathons in

00:09:31.600 order to lose weight it's not men always find the smartest way to lose weight women not so much we

00:09:37.120 find like the most unintelligent way to do it this what does that mean like you beat yourself

00:09:42.000 up in the gym or something no i don't that's not fun no i'm not i'm just trying to understand

00:09:47.140 what you mean what i mean is that um i grew up with a with a number of undiagnosed conditions

00:09:53.940 and even i can think back to like middle school and i couldn't keep up when the pe teacher would

00:10:00.320 make us like run laps and i'm like this is physically aching me and i didn't understand

00:10:04.760 why and i didn't understand why because i grew up with a single parent undocumented single parent

00:10:10.280 the problem is you probably are lacking life skills a lot of us are the skill of cooking

00:10:16.900 and not eating too much so and cleaning up after yourself we're bound to the medical system that

00:10:24.340 we had access to i've done what i needed to do a number of times to try to lose weight

00:10:31.220 but not enough i've done done i've worked at i've worked out at the gym i've tried to do pilates

00:10:39.380 even yoga hurts me how long have you done it okay but you could just do steps like honestly

00:10:47.280 if i was gonna someone at her size every day she has to be eating absurd like numbers okay so my

00:10:58.280 step one i wouldn't even recommend working out that's too much for you to think about okay honey

00:11:02.480 that's too many like exercise you're it's you're gonna get overwhelmed all right let's do step one

00:11:07.940 can get 10 000 steps a day well you know we could even do eight you probably need seven thousand

00:11:12.740 you probably need to break five thousand okay we'll start with five thousand steps a day and then

00:11:17.140 um let's let's look at what what we're eating because it's probably junk exercise causes you

00:11:22.420 pain the exercise okay no problem i'm with you uh-huh dieting for example okay that doesn't make

00:11:28.980 any sense to me i don't think that food makes very much sense to me in my neurodivergent brain

00:11:33.780 this is where mechanistic eating actually helps people who are neurodivergent and the research

00:11:38.420 supports that because it doesn't have to make sense to you okay in other words it's like you

00:11:42.580 eat on these schedules and you eat these foods and you eat this much hence the concept right

00:11:46.180 of mechanistic i don't like that i understand that you don't like it but you'll have to decide

00:11:50.020 what you don't like more carrying the weight or the mechanistic eating because it i really could

00:11:55.060 be helpful there are other ways for it but you told me you tried them i tried i tried a whole

00:12:00.020 lot there's a lot of other things to be concerned about i'm also a social worker i work with youth

00:12:05.700 oh god help us god help us oh my god there are a lot of let's go back to you uh-huh yes tell me

00:12:14.260 i'm i'm saying for me right there are many things that i'm more concerned about than my weight my

00:12:19.860 my body is not the most interesting thing about your weight and said i don't see a way out of this

00:12:25.300 right everything and i just i'm telling you care of it in the ways that i can and i've found works

00:12:31.300 for me but you just told me it didn't work for you all right um small william dreams of salmon

00:12:38.100 but it works to an extent you just told me it didn't work for you it works to an extent and

00:12:44.740 this isn't a relevant conversation if you're happy with it i stand on 10 toes 10 toes down

00:12:50.580 that we are not pretending that there's healthy at any size there are absolutely elements and

00:12:56.980 aspects of the movement that do put that messaging into the universe.

Pearl - March 20, 2026

Biology Doesn't Care About Your Feelings

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