Pearl - March 16, 2026


DEBATE： Are Immature Men Responsible For Failing Birthrates？


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6 minutes

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186.23384

Word Count

1,287

Sentence Count

65

Misogynist Sentences

20

Hate Speech Sentences

15


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00:00:00.000 about 600,000 young young women in the uk may miss out on motherhood partially because of
00:00:11.440 immature men that's according to a new report from the center for social justice
00:00:16.200 they found that men are now taking up responsibilities later in life than previous
00:00:21.120 generations delaying the age at which they feel ready to have children the report says
00:00:25.740 In the past, a 24-year-old man would have been likely to be married, have a child, and have been working for the best part of a decade.
00:00:33.480 Now, the average age of leaving home for a young man sits at about 25 years old.
00:00:39.500 So, are immature men to blame for the falling birth rates?
00:00:44.720 Well, I'm now joined by Annette Kello, parenting commentator, and Pearl Davis, YouTuber and commentator.
00:00:51.300 Welcome to the show, both of you.
00:00:52.860 Pearl, I'll start with you.
00:00:54.300 Are men, immature men, should we say, to blame for Britain's declining birth rate?
00:01:01.000 Well, what do they mean by immature men?
00:01:03.740 Like, if maturity is the problem, why don't women just date older men?
00:01:06.760 That's always an option.
00:01:09.140 It's a good point.
00:01:10.240 It's a good point.
00:01:11.040 I've gone on social media.
00:01:12.860 Sorry, go ahead.
00:01:15.620 No, I was just saying it's a great point.
00:01:17.200 Carry on, carry on, please.
00:01:17.860 I've gone on social media, and I looked at the list of things that women said that the reason that men gave them the ick.
00:01:23.200 smiling too much, being mother's boys, tying their shoes, playing pool, doing yoga,
00:01:29.280 opening the car door. When women have lists that are hundreds of pages long at this point of all
00:01:36.120 the things that men are doing wrong, what gender are the immature ones? To me, women make excuses
00:01:43.040 for the fact that women do not want to be mothers and they want to blame men when really the real
00:01:48.200 issue is women don't want to reproduce with average men and cannot get commitment from the
00:01:51.620 men that they want. Interesting stuff there, Pearl. And I'll pass that over to you. Pearl's
00:01:56.560 made an interesting observation there. Are both sides to blame? Is it just immature men or is it
00:02:03.240 perhaps picky women or this thing called the ick? I've seen that trend on social media before.
00:02:09.020 What do you think, Annette? Yes, I think that nobody wants actually a man baby. And if we look
00:02:17.520 at the stats we know that men are very much so sitting at home with their trousers around their
00:02:24.280 ankles and a box of kleenex and an only fan subscription and it's not funny it's not sexy
00:02:30.620 they're gaming also way too much they're chronically online way too much and women don't
00:02:37.700 find it attractive and yes you could say go for an older man but not all women want to procreate
00:02:42.520 with an older man. That's the issue. And actually, if we look back at the 1970s, about 62% of 25-year-olds
00:02:52.160 were married. And today, that's only 2%. So I do blame the men, and they need to sort it out.
00:02:58.640 Paul, over to you.
00:02:59.420 If you're going to talk about men's video game addiction, why don't you talk about women's
00:03:04.720 social media addiction? Most women spend like eight hours a day on their phones. And it's far
00:03:09.780 more detrimental to women than it is to men. I mean, we can see women on TikTok complaining
00:03:14.780 about these smallest, littlest things when it comes to men. You have dating apps now where you
00:03:19.880 can filter men by height, by race, by even income on some apps. It's like, what more do you want,
00:03:26.000 ladies? What more could you find? You can get thousands of matches on these apps and you can't
00:03:30.980 find one you like enough, really? Well, that's the whole thing. So dating apps in general,
00:03:36.620 they have found that they are less people are using them because both sides are actually
00:03:41.760 finding them a nightmare. It's this whole casino effect. It's the same with TikTok and Instagram
00:03:46.820 with people doom scrolling. It's not good for anybody. But your average person isn't going to
00:03:53.120 not find, you know, they don't want to go on dating apps. And actually, are men taking responsibility
00:03:59.440 for that? Do men have good conversation skills? Do they want to be motivated to be in a relationship?
00:04:06.080 and it seems like a lot don't you think that's just complaining about anything though i mean come
00:04:11.000 on if you gave a man an app okay okay let me ask you a question he would find one he likes right
00:04:16.420 okay let me ask it just shows that women will complain about anything yeah sure okay let me
00:04:21.300 ask you a question if you had a husband and he had an only fan subscription and was spending
00:04:27.280 the household money on it would you be okay with that i wouldn't blame him if i was obese i mean
00:04:32.780 If women really wanted to stop the OnlyFans crisis.
00:04:35.600 I'm sorry.
00:04:36.600 And let Pearl finish.
00:04:37.860 Let Pearl finish.
00:04:38.660 Go on.
00:04:39.700 Yeah, again, if women really cared about what their husbands wanted,
00:04:43.280 they wouldn't be fat.
00:04:44.700 So as far as I'm concerned, if you're a woman and you're overweight
00:04:47.480 and your husband's, you know, subscribed to OnlyFans,
00:04:49.960 maybe get on the treadmill.
00:04:52.000 Yeah, but what if he likes junk in the trunk?
00:04:54.420 What if that's his thing?
00:04:55.720 Some men like that.
00:04:56.680 What's wrong with that?
00:04:59.340 Well, again, if they liked junk in the trunk,
00:05:01.560 then the OnlyFans models would be fat, but they're not.
00:05:04.840 So look at what some of them are, I reckon.
00:05:06.760 I'm just going to interject just briefly.
00:05:09.560 This isn't what this is about, though.
00:05:09.620 Sorry, sorry to cut. I just want to interject briefly.
00:05:13.240 Annette, I want to put this to you.
00:05:15.100 Is it the case that men are too immature,
00:05:18.480 or is it actually a product of the society that we've been building?
00:05:21.240 Because, you know, I would say some of your criticisms
00:05:23.480 about OnlyFans and things like that,
00:05:25.420 well, they are also perpetuated by people like, you know, OnlyFans models.
00:05:29.820 There's some quite famous ones out there that put out some quite racy content.
00:05:33.940 So we've also been talking about the manosphere lately, but there's also another side to that where women are perhaps just as picky.
00:05:40.620 I think Pearl had a really good point about that, you know, women by far on the data showing on these dating apps having lots of connections with men, but men not getting the same in return.
00:05:50.000 So is it fair to put the blame all on men?
00:05:52.040 well i think we have to look at when you talk about the word picky when women do actually have
00:05:58.940 children we know there's a cost of living crisis and that you know two household incomes are going
00:06:03.980 on very very much so in many families but women do 65 more household labor than men as well as
00:06:12.320 working full-time and that they find difficult they also lose 65 000 pounds in the first five
00:06:19.500 years of having a child. So yes, there's a bit of cost of living crisis going on, but they need
00:06:24.580 a secure partnership. And at the end of the day, marriage is a business. All right, listen,
00:06:29.740 that data is collected by ungrateful women, and they don't include the things that men do,
00:06:37.380 like assembling things from Amazon and those other household chores. They just count the women.
00:06:41.200 There's more to life than Ikea, darling. I'm sorry, we've run out of time. I wish I could
00:06:45.660 have this debate more longer into the evening. Thank you both so very much for joining me this
00:06:49.480 evening. That's Pearl Davis, YouTube and commentator there, and Annette Kello, parenting commentator.