Pearl - February 21, 2025


Feminist Thinks Trans-Women Should Be ALLOWED In WOMEN'S Sports | The Sitdown


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9 minutes

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Word count

1,870

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1

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Misogyny

12

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7

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In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of trans women in women s sports. We discuss the benefits and disadvantages of having trans women participate in women's sports, the challenges that trans athletes face, and how we can make things more fair and equal for everyone.

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00:00:00.000 do you think that women have a right to feel uncomfortable in locker rooms when men are in
00:00:04.720 them sorry i know you're gonna say it's like trans whatever you call them but the the guys
00:00:09.120 dressed like whatever the men the men pretending to be women so i know you're gonna call it
00:00:13.680 something else you're trying to talk about people who are assigned male at birth but who identify
00:00:18.240 as women through like societal norms like that is what a trans woman is like by definition that's 1.00
00:00:23.360 too long for me i know it seems like you don't really like complicated thoughts so it seems to
00:00:28.960 be like that was rude how do you feel about trans women playing in female sports i personally have 0.64
00:00:35.680 no problem with it i think that there are advantages and disadvantages to be found in the spectrum of
00:00:40.960 biology regardless of like gender and otherwise um i see the concerns about the advantages that
00:00:48.800 certain athletes will have over another but again i think that that is a problem that we recognize
00:00:53.600 and we need to figure out how to address it to make it equitable for everybody to be able to
00:00:58.400 participate appropriately it is not my specialty i don't have any specific solutions but i think
00:01:04.720 solutions do exist that we can utilize to make it like advantageous for everybody i also think that
00:01:11.120 this is an issue that is largely overblown and if we want to talk about the issues in women's sports
00:01:16.880 trans athletes are not the major problem there are so many bigger problems that should be
00:01:21.440 um addressed and should get a lot more air time but i think that this is a this is a strategy that is
00:01:28.880 utilized to distract attention away from real problems and to demonize a group because this is the same
00:01:34.720 thing we see on the political spectrum right where we want to pick a group and demonize them and make 0.89
00:01:39.360 everyone believe that this is the root of our problems when they are not they are just people who want
00:01:45.200 to participate in athletics and sports like everyone else and i think that it's a really easy way for
00:01:51.520 the sports committees and for media to direct attention to a small group of people and demonize them
00:01:56.960 while ignoring the plethora of issues that female athletes have to endure otherwise so i actually agree
00:02:02.720 with you on one part i do think they overblow the issue um i've played volleyball for like 16 years i told
00:02:09.600 you before the podcast i had one experience maybe um however i'm a little bit confused by your answer
00:02:17.840 because it was could you just say it in a more simple way are you for it you're okay with it or
00:02:22.400 you're not so i like okay if they said tomorrow they said i'm sorry i do this sometimes but they said tomorrow
00:02:29.920 hey you you get the final decision are they allowed are they not allowed so i would reject that option
00:02:36.160 because it's a nuanced discussion i think that if you want to turn something nuanced into black and
00:02:40.640 white you're going to run into problems and you're going to automatically come to the wrong conclusion
00:02:46.160 well but the way these leagues are run they they have a rule book so when i was playing in england there
00:02:51.280 was a rule book every season and so somebody has to write the rules yeah so when it comes to the rule
00:02:59.040 book it has to be black and white it really doesn't though because you could take into account hormone
00:03:04.240 levels you could take into account like muscle mass like there are plenty of things that you could do
00:03:08.960 to try to make things more fair and equal and so i don't think it's necessarily what are your genitals
00:03:14.400 that's the group you get assigned to like i think it's a way more complex and nuanced issue do you think
00:03:19.360 that women have a right to feel uncomfortable in locker rooms when men are in them sorry i know you're 1.00
00:03:24.880 gonna say it's like trance whatever you call them but the the guy is dressed like whatever the men
00:03:29.920 men pretending to be women so i know you're gonna call it something else you're trying to talk about
00:03:34.320 people who are assigned male at birth but who identify as women through like societal norms like
00:03:39.280 that is what a trans woman is like by definition that's too long for me i know it seems like you 1.00
00:03:44.800 don't really like complicated thoughts so it seems to be like the that was rude i mean i'm just making
00:03:51.040 an observation because anytime that i try to implement nuance into a discussion you say like that's just
00:03:56.720 overthinking it that's that's just too complex so it just seems like necessarily the reason i say
00:04:02.160 that is because i think you do that to evade questions where you can't give a definitive answer
00:04:07.520 no because so i just like to be direct and get like what do you believe out of this and sometimes i
00:04:12.960 think you talk in circles because you can't keep up with what i'm saying so no i can i can keep up yeah
00:04:18.320 and i think you need to just you're because you're asking you're asking me nuanced questions that
00:04:24.080 require a nuanced answer but you can't ask a nuanced question and desire a black and white
00:04:30.240 answer that's just like not how the world works that's a really simple question what would the
00:04:34.240 rule book say and i i answered that i said that we should be able to take into account different
00:04:39.040 biochemical markers in order to make something more equitable okay so a trans person comes in and
00:04:45.520 they say i want to play in the woman's league how are you going to deal with the situation what i just
00:04:51.040 said take into account biochemical markers to make the competition more equitable okay so how would
00:04:56.320 you measure it that's not my job so there's so many things as as i mentioned previously there's hormone
00:05:02.000 levels there's muscle mass there's all these different things that you can measure if we're
00:05:06.640 really going to say that trans people in sports are this huge issue that we need to dedicate so much
00:05:11.600 time to then if we're going to dedicate this much time to talking about them then we should dedicate
00:05:17.360 equally the amount of time we should dedicate it wouldn't be that long of a conversation if you
00:05:22.320 just got to the answer are they allowed are they not allowed because it's not if they're allowed what
00:05:26.800 exceptions are we making it's not a simple answer you want a simple answer to a complex problem and
00:05:31.760 that's not how the world works it is how that works because i've played in sports and the rules are
00:05:36.560 generally pretty simple just because you desire a simple answer does not mean that the answer is simple
00:05:42.160 okay well that one is pretty simple they either allow them or they don't if you look at the rule
00:05:47.440 books but that's not equitable or fair which i believe in an equitable and fair society which
00:05:52.480 you've made it very clear that you don't which is probably why we disagree i do want society to be fair
00:05:57.680 but if women the the thing is women want all the privileges without doing the work so why aren't 1.00
00:06:04.480 you pushing for women to do 50 of the hard jobs in society the infrastructure jobs 0.77
00:06:10.800 i want them to they can if they want to if they want to but they won't and that's the catch i mean
00:06:16.560 do men want to be in those jobs like they don't have to if they don't want to no but many do it
00:06:21.440 because they have to are they drafted into the crab fishing industry or do they choose to go into
00:06:28.800 the crab fishing industry a lot of men do jobs because they know that no one else is going to do them
00:06:35.440 and that sounds like a choice that they are making for themselves okay so going back to equality do
00:06:41.200 you think that women should be enlisted in the draft i don't think that the draft should exist i think 1.00
00:06:46.800 nobody should be drafted okay but since it is men are enlisted in selective service and they're fined
00:06:53.680 three hundred thousand dollars if they don't sign up for this do you think that women should have to 0.97
00:06:59.280 too in the name of equality i think if we're talking about equality if women don't have to 0.99
00:07:04.080 sign up for the draft then men shouldn't either okay then we agree but since they do have to do 0.71
00:07:09.520 you think they should too i think that we should abolish the draft so you want me to go in your
00:07:14.640 direction and i'm taking it in my direction you want everyone to be subjugated and controlled and
00:07:19.200 i want everyone to be i don't have an opinion one way or the other my point my my point is that it
00:07:24.160 should be fair yeah so if the men have to do it then the women have to do it too or if the women 1.00
00:07:29.040 don't have to do it then the men shouldn't have to do it right but right now the men have to do it
00:07:34.160 and right now the women don't correct so and that's why that's why that's why it goes back to
00:07:39.600 feminists never fight for equality when it comes to men's issues i've never heard women say women 0.95
00:07:45.440 sign up for selective service like the men they just say oh that's a hard thing we don't want to have to
00:07:50.080 do it so you haven't spoken to like many academic feminists because many academic feminists who want 1.00
00:07:56.000 full societal equality do advocate for men's issues and we recognize the way that certain
00:08:01.440 societal norms which by the way are designed and built and created by men are detrimental to men and 0.91
00:08:08.160 we advocate because a lot of feminist ideology is beneficial to men and so we are advocating for
00:08:14.880 men and so you say men have to sign up for the draft so women should have to where i go the 1.00
00:08:19.760 opposite you see can i finish my thoughts because you seem to be very pro control or i'm pro freedom
00:08:27.040 i want everyone to have freedom over their body i want everyone to have freedom over their choices
00:08:31.600 where you seem to go in the opposite direction and say if one group is you know subjugated we should
00:08:36.480 subjugate everyone and i don't agree that's not what i said but if okay let's go into family court do
00:08:43.040 you think that custody should be 50 50 off the bat like physical or there's different kinds of custody
00:08:48.720 child custody like who they live with or who makes legal decisions for them yeah 50 50 off the bat
00:08:55.840 so those are two different things um but i think that it is going to be a nuanced
00:08:59.840 discussion and based on family dynamics okay
00:09:08.960 you