Pearl - February 21, 2025
Feminist Thinks Trans-Women Should Be ALLOWED In WOMEN'S Sports | The Sitdown
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the controversial topic of trans women in women s sports. We discuss the benefits and disadvantages of having trans women participate in women's sports, the challenges that trans athletes face, and how we can make things more fair and equal for everyone.
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do you think that women have a right to feel uncomfortable in locker rooms when men are in
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them sorry i know you're gonna say it's like trans whatever you call them but the the guys
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dressed like whatever the men the men pretending to be women so i know you're gonna call it
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something else you're trying to talk about people who are assigned male at birth but who identify
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as women through like societal norms like that is what a trans woman is like by definition that's
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too long for me i know it seems like you don't really like complicated thoughts so it seems to
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be like that was rude how do you feel about trans women playing in female sports i personally have
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no problem with it i think that there are advantages and disadvantages to be found in the spectrum of
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biology regardless of like gender and otherwise um i see the concerns about the advantages that
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certain athletes will have over another but again i think that that is a problem that we recognize
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and we need to figure out how to address it to make it equitable for everybody to be able to
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participate appropriately it is not my specialty i don't have any specific solutions but i think
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solutions do exist that we can utilize to make it like advantageous for everybody i also think that
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this is an issue that is largely overblown and if we want to talk about the issues in women's sports
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trans athletes are not the major problem there are so many bigger problems that should be
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um addressed and should get a lot more air time but i think that this is a this is a strategy that is
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utilized to distract attention away from real problems and to demonize a group because this is the same
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thing we see on the political spectrum right where we want to pick a group and demonize them and make
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everyone believe that this is the root of our problems when they are not they are just people who want
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to participate in athletics and sports like everyone else and i think that it's a really easy way for
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the sports committees and for media to direct attention to a small group of people and demonize them
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while ignoring the plethora of issues that female athletes have to endure otherwise so i actually agree
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with you on one part i do think they overblow the issue um i've played volleyball for like 16 years i told
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you before the podcast i had one experience maybe um however i'm a little bit confused by your answer
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because it was could you just say it in a more simple way are you for it you're okay with it or
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you're not so i like okay if they said tomorrow they said i'm sorry i do this sometimes but they said tomorrow
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hey you you get the final decision are they allowed are they not allowed so i would reject that option
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because it's a nuanced discussion i think that if you want to turn something nuanced into black and
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white you're going to run into problems and you're going to automatically come to the wrong conclusion
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well but the way these leagues are run they they have a rule book so when i was playing in england there
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was a rule book every season and so somebody has to write the rules yeah so when it comes to the rule
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book it has to be black and white it really doesn't though because you could take into account hormone
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levels you could take into account like muscle mass like there are plenty of things that you could do
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to try to make things more fair and equal and so i don't think it's necessarily what are your genitals
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that's the group you get assigned to like i think it's a way more complex and nuanced issue do you think
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that women have a right to feel uncomfortable in locker rooms when men are in them sorry i know you're
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gonna say it's like trance whatever you call them but the the guy is dressed like whatever the men
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men pretending to be women so i know you're gonna call it something else you're trying to talk about
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people who are assigned male at birth but who identify as women through like societal norms like
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that is what a trans woman is like by definition that's too long for me i know it seems like you
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don't really like complicated thoughts so it seems to be like the that was rude i mean i'm just making
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an observation because anytime that i try to implement nuance into a discussion you say like that's just
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overthinking it that's that's just too complex so it just seems like necessarily the reason i say
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that is because i think you do that to evade questions where you can't give a definitive answer
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no because so i just like to be direct and get like what do you believe out of this and sometimes i
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think you talk in circles because you can't keep up with what i'm saying so no i can i can keep up yeah
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and i think you need to just you're because you're asking you're asking me nuanced questions that
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require a nuanced answer but you can't ask a nuanced question and desire a black and white
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answer that's just like not how the world works that's a really simple question what would the
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rule book say and i i answered that i said that we should be able to take into account different
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biochemical markers in order to make something more equitable okay so a trans person comes in and
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they say i want to play in the woman's league how are you going to deal with the situation what i just
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said take into account biochemical markers to make the competition more equitable okay so how would
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you measure it that's not my job so there's so many things as as i mentioned previously there's hormone
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levels there's muscle mass there's all these different things that you can measure if we're
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really going to say that trans people in sports are this huge issue that we need to dedicate so much
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time to then if we're going to dedicate this much time to talking about them then we should dedicate
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equally the amount of time we should dedicate it wouldn't be that long of a conversation if you
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just got to the answer are they allowed are they not allowed because it's not if they're allowed what
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exceptions are we making it's not a simple answer you want a simple answer to a complex problem and
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that's not how the world works it is how that works because i've played in sports and the rules are
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generally pretty simple just because you desire a simple answer does not mean that the answer is simple
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okay well that one is pretty simple they either allow them or they don't if you look at the rule
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books but that's not equitable or fair which i believe in an equitable and fair society which
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you've made it very clear that you don't which is probably why we disagree i do want society to be fair
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but if women the the thing is women want all the privileges without doing the work so why aren't
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you pushing for women to do 50 of the hard jobs in society the infrastructure jobs
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i want them to they can if they want to if they want to but they won't and that's the catch i mean
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do men want to be in those jobs like they don't have to if they don't want to no but many do it
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because they have to are they drafted into the crab fishing industry or do they choose to go into
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the crab fishing industry a lot of men do jobs because they know that no one else is going to do them
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and that sounds like a choice that they are making for themselves okay so going back to equality do
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you think that women should be enlisted in the draft i don't think that the draft should exist i think
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nobody should be drafted okay but since it is men are enlisted in selective service and they're fined
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three hundred thousand dollars if they don't sign up for this do you think that women should have to
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too in the name of equality i think if we're talking about equality if women don't have to
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sign up for the draft then men shouldn't either okay then we agree but since they do have to do
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you think they should too i think that we should abolish the draft so you want me to go in your
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direction and i'm taking it in my direction you want everyone to be subjugated and controlled and
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i want everyone to be i don't have an opinion one way or the other my point my my point is that it
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should be fair yeah so if the men have to do it then the women have to do it too or if the women
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don't have to do it then the men shouldn't have to do it right but right now the men have to do it
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and right now the women don't correct so and that's why that's why that's why it goes back to
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feminists never fight for equality when it comes to men's issues i've never heard women say women
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sign up for selective service like the men they just say oh that's a hard thing we don't want to have to
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do it so you haven't spoken to like many academic feminists because many academic feminists who want
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full societal equality do advocate for men's issues and we recognize the way that certain
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societal norms which by the way are designed and built and created by men are detrimental to men and
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we advocate because a lot of feminist ideology is beneficial to men and so we are advocating for
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men and so you say men have to sign up for the draft so women should have to where i go the
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opposite you see can i finish my thoughts because you seem to be very pro control or i'm pro freedom
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i want everyone to have freedom over their body i want everyone to have freedom over their choices
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where you seem to go in the opposite direction and say if one group is you know subjugated we should
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subjugate everyone and i don't agree that's not what i said but if okay let's go into family court do
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you think that custody should be 50 50 off the bat like physical or there's different kinds of custody
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child custody like who they live with or who makes legal decisions for them yeah 50 50 off the bat
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so those are two different things um but i think that it is going to be a nuanced