Pearl - Feminist Thinks Trans-Women Should Be ALLOWED In WOMEN'S Sports ｜ The Sitdown

00:00:00.000 do you think that women have a right to feel uncomfortable in locker rooms when men are in

00:00:04.720 them sorry i know you're gonna say it's like trans whatever you call them but the the guys

00:00:09.120 dressed like whatever the men the men pretending to be women so i know you're gonna call it

00:00:13.680 something else you're trying to talk about people who are assigned male at birth but who identify

00:00:18.240 as women through like societal norms like that is what a trans woman is like by definition that's 1.00

00:00:23.360 too long for me i know it seems like you don't really like complicated thoughts so it seems to

00:00:28.960 be like that was rude how do you feel about trans women playing in female sports i personally have 0.64

00:00:35.680 no problem with it i think that there are advantages and disadvantages to be found in the spectrum of

00:00:40.960 biology regardless of like gender and otherwise um i see the concerns about the advantages that

00:00:48.800 certain athletes will have over another but again i think that that is a problem that we recognize

00:00:53.600 and we need to figure out how to address it to make it equitable for everybody to be able to

00:00:58.400 participate appropriately it is not my specialty i don't have any specific solutions but i think

00:01:04.720 solutions do exist that we can utilize to make it like advantageous for everybody i also think that

00:01:11.120 this is an issue that is largely overblown and if we want to talk about the issues in women's sports

00:01:16.880 trans athletes are not the major problem there are so many bigger problems that should be

00:01:21.440 um addressed and should get a lot more air time but i think that this is a this is a strategy that is

00:01:28.880 utilized to distract attention away from real problems and to demonize a group because this is the same

00:01:34.720 thing we see on the political spectrum right where we want to pick a group and demonize them and make 0.89

00:01:39.360 everyone believe that this is the root of our problems when they are not they are just people who want

00:01:45.200 to participate in athletics and sports like everyone else and i think that it's a really easy way for

00:01:51.520 the sports committees and for media to direct attention to a small group of people and demonize them

00:01:56.960 while ignoring the plethora of issues that female athletes have to endure otherwise so i actually agree

00:02:02.720 with you on one part i do think they overblow the issue um i've played volleyball for like 16 years i told

00:02:09.600 you before the podcast i had one experience maybe um however i'm a little bit confused by your answer

00:02:17.840 because it was could you just say it in a more simple way are you for it you're okay with it or

00:02:22.400 you're not so i like okay if they said tomorrow they said i'm sorry i do this sometimes but they said tomorrow

00:02:29.920 hey you you get the final decision are they allowed are they not allowed so i would reject that option

00:02:36.160 because it's a nuanced discussion i think that if you want to turn something nuanced into black and

00:02:40.640 white you're going to run into problems and you're going to automatically come to the wrong conclusion

00:02:46.160 well but the way these leagues are run they they have a rule book so when i was playing in england there

00:02:51.280 was a rule book every season and so somebody has to write the rules yeah so when it comes to the rule

00:02:59.040 book it has to be black and white it really doesn't though because you could take into account hormone

00:03:04.240 levels you could take into account like muscle mass like there are plenty of things that you could do

00:03:08.960 to try to make things more fair and equal and so i don't think it's necessarily what are your genitals

00:03:14.400 that's the group you get assigned to like i think it's a way more complex and nuanced issue do you think

00:03:19.360 that women have a right to feel uncomfortable in locker rooms when men are in them sorry i know you're 1.00

00:03:24.880 gonna say it's like trance whatever you call them but the the guy is dressed like whatever the men

00:03:29.920 men pretending to be women so i know you're gonna call it something else you're trying to talk about

00:03:34.320 people who are assigned male at birth but who identify as women through like societal norms like

00:03:39.280 that is what a trans woman is like by definition that's too long for me i know it seems like you 1.00

00:03:44.800 don't really like complicated thoughts so it seems to be like the that was rude i mean i'm just making

00:03:51.040 an observation because anytime that i try to implement nuance into a discussion you say like that's just

00:03:56.720 overthinking it that's that's just too complex so it just seems like necessarily the reason i say

00:04:02.160 that is because i think you do that to evade questions where you can't give a definitive answer

00:04:07.520 no because so i just like to be direct and get like what do you believe out of this and sometimes i

00:04:12.960 think you talk in circles because you can't keep up with what i'm saying so no i can i can keep up yeah

00:04:18.320 and i think you need to just you're because you're asking you're asking me nuanced questions that

00:04:24.080 require a nuanced answer but you can't ask a nuanced question and desire a black and white

00:04:30.240 answer that's just like not how the world works that's a really simple question what would the

00:04:34.240 rule book say and i i answered that i said that we should be able to take into account different

00:04:39.040 biochemical markers in order to make something more equitable okay so a trans person comes in and

00:04:45.520 they say i want to play in the woman's league how are you going to deal with the situation what i just

00:04:51.040 said take into account biochemical markers to make the competition more equitable okay so how would

00:04:56.320 you measure it that's not my job so there's so many things as as i mentioned previously there's hormone

00:05:02.000 levels there's muscle mass there's all these different things that you can measure if we're

00:05:06.640 really going to say that trans people in sports are this huge issue that we need to dedicate so much

00:05:11.600 time to then if we're going to dedicate this much time to talking about them then we should dedicate

00:05:17.360 equally the amount of time we should dedicate it wouldn't be that long of a conversation if you

00:05:22.320 just got to the answer are they allowed are they not allowed because it's not if they're allowed what

00:05:26.800 exceptions are we making it's not a simple answer you want a simple answer to a complex problem and

00:05:31.760 that's not how the world works it is how that works because i've played in sports and the rules are

00:05:36.560 generally pretty simple just because you desire a simple answer does not mean that the answer is simple

00:05:42.160 okay well that one is pretty simple they either allow them or they don't if you look at the rule

00:05:47.440 books but that's not equitable or fair which i believe in an equitable and fair society which

00:05:52.480 you've made it very clear that you don't which is probably why we disagree i do want society to be fair

00:05:57.680 but if women the the thing is women want all the privileges without doing the work so why aren't 1.00

00:06:04.480 you pushing for women to do 50 of the hard jobs in society the infrastructure jobs 0.77

00:06:10.800 i want them to they can if they want to if they want to but they won't and that's the catch i mean

00:06:16.560 do men want to be in those jobs like they don't have to if they don't want to no but many do it

00:06:21.440 because they have to are they drafted into the crab fishing industry or do they choose to go into

00:06:28.800 the crab fishing industry a lot of men do jobs because they know that no one else is going to do them

00:06:35.440 and that sounds like a choice that they are making for themselves okay so going back to equality do

00:06:41.200 you think that women should be enlisted in the draft i don't think that the draft should exist i think 1.00

00:06:46.800 nobody should be drafted okay but since it is men are enlisted in selective service and they're fined

00:06:53.680 three hundred thousand dollars if they don't sign up for this do you think that women should have to 0.97

00:06:59.280 too in the name of equality i think if we're talking about equality if women don't have to 0.99

00:07:04.080 sign up for the draft then men shouldn't either okay then we agree but since they do have to do 0.71

00:07:09.520 you think they should too i think that we should abolish the draft so you want me to go in your

00:07:14.640 direction and i'm taking it in my direction you want everyone to be subjugated and controlled and

00:07:19.200 i want everyone to be i don't have an opinion one way or the other my point my my point is that it

00:07:24.160 should be fair yeah so if the men have to do it then the women have to do it too or if the women 1.00

00:07:29.040 don't have to do it then the men shouldn't have to do it right but right now the men have to do it

00:07:34.160 and right now the women don't correct so and that's why that's why that's why it goes back to

00:07:39.600 feminists never fight for equality when it comes to men's issues i've never heard women say women 0.95

00:07:45.440 sign up for selective service like the men they just say oh that's a hard thing we don't want to have to

00:07:50.080 do it so you haven't spoken to like many academic feminists because many academic feminists who want 1.00

00:07:56.000 full societal equality do advocate for men's issues and we recognize the way that certain

00:08:01.440 societal norms which by the way are designed and built and created by men are detrimental to men and 0.91

00:08:08.160 we advocate because a lot of feminist ideology is beneficial to men and so we are advocating for

00:08:14.880 men and so you say men have to sign up for the draft so women should have to where i go the 1.00

00:08:19.760 opposite you see can i finish my thoughts because you seem to be very pro control or i'm pro freedom

00:08:27.040 i want everyone to have freedom over their body i want everyone to have freedom over their choices

00:08:31.600 where you seem to go in the opposite direction and say if one group is you know subjugated we should

00:08:36.480 subjugate everyone and i don't agree that's not what i said but if okay let's go into family court do

00:08:43.040 you think that custody should be 50 50 off the bat like physical or there's different kinds of custody

00:08:48.720 child custody like who they live with or who makes legal decisions for them yeah 50 50 off the bat

00:08:55.840 so those are two different things um but i think that it is going to be a nuanced

00:08:59.840 discussion and based on family dynamics okay

00:09:08.960 you

Pearl - February 21, 2025

Feminist Thinks Trans-Women Should Be ALLOWED In WOMEN'S Sports ｜ The Sitdown

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