Pearl - August 30, 2026


When a Trad Con Woman Meets Pearl Davis： P##n Has Saved Marriages


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00:00:00.000 We're not supposed to deny our husband sex.
00:00:02.220 I agree.
00:00:03.000 That is his option.
00:00:04.360 But again, the issue I get with conservatives is a lot of times they just don't live in the real world. 0.66
00:00:08.720 And the real world is that women deny their husband sex all the time. 0.99
00:00:11.840 That's not a plan.
00:00:12.740 Wait, that's not a plan to solve his problem.
00:00:16.940 So, again, he can't force her.
00:00:19.180 She says no.
00:00:20.580 Or maybe he's deployed or they're working in separate states.
00:00:24.260 What is he supposed to do?
00:00:26.240 So, I believe that porn has saved more marriages than it has destroyed.
00:00:30.560 So, I actually want to start out and define a few things, if you're okay with that.
00:00:35.840 So, I would say the definition of marriage, and let me know if you agree with this.
00:00:39.260 The definition of marriage is the union between a man and a woman for the education and procreation of children
00:00:45.000 and the union of the man and woman for life, I would say.
00:00:50.240 Is there anything you'd change?
00:00:51.220 I would say, ideally, that was the definition.
00:00:54.600 But today, when legally we include gay marriage, when we include, you know, like we still call it marriage.
00:01:01.760 Well, do you include those?
00:01:03.080 Well, I could say what I believe personally, but that doesn't mean that in society, like my opinion doesn't matter because in society, the average marriage is seven to eight years and it's not for life.
00:01:13.420 Well, for the sake of definition, though, what do you think a marriage is?
00:01:16.420 Today?
00:01:17.080 Yes.
00:01:17.500 Well, just for the sake of definition, what do you think a marriage is?
00:01:20.100 I would say the average marriage is a woman getting married, and I would say the average
00:01:27.600 marriage today is a man and a woman getting married around 30 years old. They're not virgins 0.83
00:01:32.040 on their wedding days, and then it lasts about seven to eight years, and then the woman files 0.76
00:01:37.860 for divorce and takes the kids after. Historically, it was one person for life, but that's not today.
00:01:44.420 But okay, so if we go historically, one person for life, do you think that's the way it should be?
00:01:49.300 Should is just make a wish.
00:01:50.860 I used to use a lot of should statements, to be fair.
00:01:53.020 Well, I mean, we're talking.
00:01:54.060 We're having a discussion, and we're talking about, like, you believe that porn saves more marriages than it destroys.
00:01:58.280 Correct.
00:01:58.800 I try to be accurate, and if we're going to accurately talk about marriage today, it is not one person for life.
00:02:05.560 Do you think it should be, though?
00:02:07.420 That would be ideal, but it's not.
00:02:09.440 Okay.
00:02:09.820 So, well, let's just kind of use that definition and talk about what porn is then.
00:02:15.160 Okay.
00:02:15.360 So let me let me I Google the definition of porn here and I this pornography or porn for short is a material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation.
00:02:25.780 So my main claim would be that pornography actually destroys marriages because it encourages lust and love is the foundation of marriages.
00:02:35.640 And the definition of love, if we're continuing definition, is willing the good of the other as the other person.
00:02:42.440 So lust would actually be the opposite of that because lust is objectifying a person.
00:02:47.500 It's looking at a person only for their sexual value.
00:02:51.160 Love is wanting the good for that person as a person regardless of their sexual value.
00:02:56.340 Right.
00:02:56.580 Do you think sex is a need for men? 0.99
00:02:58.080 Like they need sex? 0.99
00:02:59.100 No, I don't because I think that we can look at the Catholic Church. 0.83
00:03:02.220 There's a celibate priesthood, right?
00:03:04.140 We all know what they did, girl. 0.95
00:03:06.380 Well, I would say.
00:03:08.460 Even the celibate priests have a hard time sticking to that.
00:03:10.980 I would say, though, that you can look at any religion, and there have been sexual abuse in any religion,
00:03:15.540 and even among people who are married, right? 0.99
00:03:17.340 The amount of married men who are watching child porn is absurd. 0.99
00:03:21.880 It's horrible. 0.99
00:03:22.840 But I think that in marriage, right, the men want to be having sex, 0.97
00:03:28.340 and I think it's an obligation from the woman, actually. 0.87
00:03:30.300 I think that in marriage, the woman is obligated to love and obey the man,
00:03:34.740 and the man is obligated to, first and foremost, love their wife, even unto death. 0.55
00:03:39.860 Okay.
00:03:40.780 So I think that porn, when you bring pornography into it,
00:03:44.320 you're bringing another woman on the screen, in a magazine, wherever it is,
00:03:48.380 and the man is looking at her with lust.
00:03:51.180 This man is not his wife,
00:03:53.040 and this is taking the sacred bond that the wife and the husband have 0.58
00:03:58.040 and destroying it because they're adding in another individual. 0.65
00:04:00.600 Do you think a woman's equally responsible if she has social media 0.94
00:04:03.500 and is inviting other men to lust at her?
00:04:05.720 Absolutely.
00:04:06.320 So I think love is a human condition.
00:04:08.420 It's not just a male condition.
00:04:09.560 I disagree with you that sex is not a need for men because, again, I think if it wasn't
00:04:15.600 a need, then men, one, even the people that are celibate, like half of pastors have had
00:04:20.440 affairs, so they can't even seem to stick to it.
00:04:22.480 Ninety percent of men have watched porn at some point in their life.
00:04:25.280 So I would say based on behaviors, it indicates that it's a need.
00:04:29.620 And so what is your plan when the wife says no? 0.89
00:04:32.820 Would you agree that the state shouldn't legally force the woman to have sex if she doesn't 0.92
00:04:36.600 want to? 0.84
00:04:36.960 So I think, first of all.
00:04:38.840 I'm just wondering, would you agree with that or no?
00:04:40.600 Absolutely, absolutely.
00:04:41.400 Okay, so we're on the same page.
00:04:43.080 What is your plan if she says no?
00:04:45.760 So I think that in a marriage, it goes both ways, right?
00:04:50.520 The man is to love their wife.
00:04:52.600 So even if the woman said no for years, his obligation is to love his wife up until death, anything up until death. 0.51
00:05:00.240 But then there is an obligation on us as the women, right?
00:05:03.300 We're not supposed to deny our husband sex.
00:05:05.540 I agree.
00:05:05.980 But again, the issue I get with conservatives is a lot of times they just don't live in the real world.
00:05:12.040 And the real world is that women deny their husband sex all the time. 0.99
00:05:15.180 That's not a plan.
00:05:16.060 Wait, that's not a plan to solve his problem.
00:05:20.280 So again, he can't force her.
00:05:22.520 She says no.
00:05:23.920 Or maybe he's deployed or they're working in separate states.
00:05:27.580 What is he supposed to do?
00:05:29.640 He's supposed to be selfless because that is the foundation of a good marriage.
00:05:33.660 You're not going to have a good marriage if the husband and the wife both don't die to death.
00:05:37.860 Okay, so you want him to just never sexually release forever?
00:05:41.420 Well, obviously not, because as I said before, I think a good marriage— 0.72
00:05:45.320 But the woman says no, now what?
00:05:46.840 Now what?
00:05:47.960 Well, as we said in the last prompt, we talk about it together, we go to therapy, we do all these things.
00:05:53.140 But ultimately, Pearl, I will answer your question. 0.87
00:05:56.060 I do think if the woman says no forever and they're in a marriage,
00:05:59.420 that is the sacrifice that the man is supposed to make yes for his wife for the one that he chose
00:06:04.920 this is but this is why men are leaving the church is because of this because they're constantly
00:06:10.420 shamed for their sexuality and they're treated as if their sexuality is bad and sex isn't a need
00:06:16.180 so what does a man get out of marriage if he's not even guaranteed sex well i don't think i don't
00:06:20.560 think sex is bad at all i think a good marriage is full of sex right i think when we look at studies
00:06:24.700 the happiest people sexually are the ones who are married and it's there it's interesting if
00:06:30.480 we're talking about studies but if they're not having sex then that's negated right right and
00:06:35.020 that's a quarter of marriages that's not a that's not a small number that's one in four
00:06:38.240 well and i think i think it comes it goes down to we do have a culture problem here right we have a
00:06:42.960 culture problem because we have people who aren't willing to be selfless for each other and so that
00:06:48.600 leads that leads us into all these sticky situations but i don't think that even even in
00:06:53.040 the situation i don't think porn is ever the answer because pornography encourages lust okay
00:06:59.060 from the man but what is your answer what is my answer to what sorry okay she says no they go to
00:07:05.180 therapy she still says no we agree the state shouldn't force women to have sex with men they
00:07:10.500 don't want to we can agree yeah now what what is he supposed to do when you get married you make a
00:07:15.140 covenant to each other for life you don't have to we're not doing arranged marriages right i don't
00:07:18.400 have to marry any random person when i married my husband i made a covenant with him for life right
00:07:22.760 But people say things, so that doesn't matter, because people can make a promise and then break it later. 0.75
00:07:29.160 Can I get to my answer for what the man's supposed to do if the woman won't have sex?
00:07:32.700 He made a covenant with her that he will always love her in good times and in bad,
00:07:37.560 and the bad times might be when they don't have sex.
00:07:39.960 Well, she made a covenant that says she'll obey him.
00:07:43.700 Yes, exactly, and she totally should.
00:07:45.360 And then she breaks it because she said she'd do it, and then she didn't want to do it.
00:07:49.980 Well, just because one party breaks their side of the covenant doesn't mean you should break your side of the covenant. 1.00
00:07:54.000 Which is kind of why churches are feminist, because you want men to protect and provide for society and the woman and get nothing in return. 1.00
00:08:01.580 No, I want the woman to obey her husband and to give him children. 1.00
00:08:05.040 But if she doesn't, if she says no, you have no plan to fix it, and the only plan is to say lust bad. 0.51
00:08:11.160 Well, he's trying to lust after his wife.
00:08:13.680 Well, I don't think he should ever lust after his wife.
00:08:15.700 I think love is different than lust.
00:08:18.120 Lust is objectifying his wife. 0.76
00:08:20.300 Regardless, he's trying to have sex with his wife, and only his wife, if she says no, what is he supposed to do? 0.96
00:08:26.300 As I said before. 0.94
00:08:27.460 Therapy's not working. 0.97
00:08:28.620 No, as I said before, he's supposed to be selfless and not have sex until she decides to do what she does owe him, which is having sex with him.
00:08:37.600 I do think that a lot more marriages would be a lot better if both the man and the wife were selfless to each other, right?
00:08:47.380 yeah and again that sounds idea that's idealistic but i'm realistic to your point of porn saves more
00:08:53.480 marriages than it destroys there's actually statistics that say the exact opposite it says
00:08:57.440 that men who watch porn are two times more likely to get divorced and if they watch but how do you
00:09:02.600 know it's because of the porn how do you know it's not because of the situation that led to the porn
00:09:06.920 well obviously you can't you can't know exactly so you can't i know but you're because you're
00:09:11.380 framing it kind of dishonest as if that's no but these are statistics that men who watch right but
00:09:16.160 But you don't know that's the cause because, you know, if he's in that situation, you don't know if it's because she wasn't sleeping with him to begin with.
00:09:25.560 That's showing there's other relational problems anyway.
00:09:28.320 So I'm saying, like, why do conservatives, they're getting on men about the porn, but they don't get on women about the lack of obedience.
00:09:36.600 They absolutely should.
00:09:37.700 It's equal, right? 1.00
00:09:38.780 You know, at least feminists, in a way, are honest. 1.00
00:09:40.580 They say we want to be equal, right? 1.00
00:09:42.280 But conservatives say they want men to do everything and get nothing in return.
00:09:45.460 No, absolutely not. I mean, I think men and women are equal in dignity and worth.
00:09:49.920 And I think that dignity and worth. Yes. OK.
00:09:54.920 And so I think that, first of all, they're equal. Right.
00:09:58.660 And so when we talk about pornography, I think it's equally wrong for both of them.
00:10:03.180 And another statistic that I found was that men and women, when they watch pornography together, they're three times more likely to get divorced.
00:10:10.640 So this shows that porn does not save more marriages than it. I would say it saves more marriages.
00:10:14.880 or at the very least prolongs them
00:10:16.500 because there are situations
00:10:17.600 where the men aren't getting sex 0.96
00:10:18.780 and I would say sex is a need for men. 0.91
00:10:20.820 So again, obviously I would attribute
00:10:24.420 the shorter marriages to circumstances
00:10:26.740 that were going to happen anyway 0.97
00:10:28.020 because if a woman is withholding sex, 1.00
00:10:29.820 obviously that's not a good marriage. 1.00
00:10:32.040 Yeah, I agree that a woman 0.98
00:10:33.320 should not be withholding sex. 0.98
00:10:34.300 Yeah, should.
00:10:35.680 You know what I mean?
00:10:36.500 Should is make a wish.
00:10:37.960 It's just how we wish it would or should be.
00:10:39.820 Do you think that we have a culture problem right now?
00:10:41.600 um do you think that we have a larger culture problem like with the way children are being
00:10:48.160 raised with the way men and women are in society do you think that there's a larger culture problem
00:10:52.900 there that we need to address we can address it but it doesn't mean it'll change but again i've
00:10:57.580 been i've been doing media for years right and so i don't think media really has as much of an
00:11:01.740 impact on the culture as you think well so i actually do independent journalists so i talk
00:11:05.600 to people from all over the country about their marriages about about people who regret having
00:11:10.580 abortions about all of this right and we see that there is a yearning for truth there is a
00:11:15.820 yearning for truth and goodness and young people are at the forefront of this so i think then why
00:11:19.800 are gen z women so liberal they're the most liberal women ever well i mean yeah personally
00:11:24.960 i go to events across the country and i don't conservative yeah well gen z women are right but
00:11:30.940 the conservative events have porn stars at them we don't really take it that seriously 0.69
00:11:35.060 No, I'm saying I go to events, not just conservative events.
00:11:37.860 Okay, well, yeah, but we're not really winning in this if you have porn stars at your events, and that's who's headlining conservatism.
00:11:44.440 Well, there's always going to be bad in the world.
00:11:45.620 And none of the trends really indicate that traditionalism is coming back.
00:11:49.500 It's something I used to think was true, but it's really not because if you look at the birth rate, it's going down.
00:11:55.040 The age of first marriage is getting older, and also like 97% of people don't wait until marriage to have sex.
00:12:02.700 So none of that's traditional.
00:12:03.740 They're not winning.
00:12:04.180 There's no, you know, like if you're going to say that it impacts the culture, like why hasn't conservative media impacted it at all?
00:12:11.340 Oh, well, I absolutely think it hasn't.
00:12:13.120 I don't have like specific statistics like that, but I can tell you that from personally being all over the U.S., I've seen there are young marriages happening.
00:12:21.560 There are people who are seeing what abortion actually does.
00:12:23.700 How long have you done it for?
00:12:24.300 I've been in this for probably nine years since I was like 17.
00:12:27.520 And all the people that came to you at year one are still married today.
00:12:30.820 There is no divorces.
00:12:31.540 I actually don't know of anyone who approached marriage in a Christian way.
00:12:38.400 Well, that's always what you guys are going to say after is that it wasn't a Christian way.
00:12:41.860 No, no, no.
00:12:42.320 Like with the definition that we talked about earlier, that marriage is between one man and one woman forever. 0.76
00:12:48.100 Yeah. 0.82
00:12:48.460 For life.
00:12:49.400 And none of them are divorced.
00:12:50.740 Yeah, well, again, the divorce rate doesn't reflect that.
00:12:55.320 So you could say that, but it doesn't mean it's true.
00:12:58.340 No, that's fair.
00:12:59.060 That's fair.
00:13:00.540 Are we?
00:13:01.540 You can give closing if you want.
00:13:07.020 Let me think of what else I want to bring up.
00:13:08.900 Yeah, I would say traditionalism today is used as a marketing strategy,
00:13:12.320 and it's usually from when you have something to gain.
00:13:14.960 So I noticed, like, you have the dress, you look traditional,
00:13:17.540 but you're still on social media, so it's not traditional.
00:13:19.880 Why is that?
00:13:20.920 Because that's not a traditional marriage if you have social media.
00:13:24.780 Okay, well, my definition of a traditional marriage.
00:13:26.660 I would say social media is far, and I don't know you personally, I have no idea,
00:13:30.100 but social media is far more detrimental to women than porn is to men because I mean I see women
00:13:35.020 creating like divorce brands on TikTok yeah and so you're still opening yourself up and saying I 0.68
00:13:40.460 want to take this risk right and I would say that's even far more risky because you don't know
00:13:45.420 like I see women get messaged from higher status men than their husbands and leave their husbands
00:13:50.160 it even happened in some really high level conservative like in conservative media there's
00:13:54.900 been a lot of high-level divorces so you know it's like if i see that you're on social media
00:13:59.780 for me personally i don't know you i think you don't take your marriage that seriously
00:14:03.900 well because you're opening yourself up no you're opening yourself up to that risk so
00:14:08.420 so the definition of traditional marriage is the marriage between one man and one woman
00:14:12.040 and not life it's a covenant right and i take that very seriously one man one woman not the world
00:14:17.140 so when you have social media you're saying inviting the world into your marriage well i'm
00:14:20.940 don't talk about my marriage very much on my social media i don't think that it's that it's
00:14:24.940 seeing what i've seen with conservative women over the years i have a hard time believing that
00:14:29.820 do you think it's wrong to share about how your marriage correct yeah i think it's supposed to
00:14:34.240 be private between you and him and where are you getting like where does that come based on the
00:14:39.300 results of women that overshare it tends to go pretty bad of just what i've seen in the last
00:14:43.320 five years well but i think it can it can be actually beautiful because like i said before
00:14:46.980 I think we need a culture shift, right?
00:14:48.480 I think it's obvious.
00:14:49.780 I mean, most kids are exposed to porn. 0.96
00:14:53.120 Like, there's pedophiles on Twitter.
00:14:55.060 I mean, people shouldn't be posting their kids. 0.66
00:14:56.900 Well, right.
00:14:57.380 No, I agree.
00:14:58.180 Most kids are exposed to porn by the age of 14.
00:15:00.840 So there's a culture shift that needs to happen.
00:15:02.660 So I have five younger brothers.
00:15:04.240 My parents instilled in us from a young age that pornography is always wrong. 0.96
00:15:07.900 It's always the objectification of women.
00:15:10.980 And so if we could share more about this on social media, right, on our platforms, 0.76
00:15:15.360 Why is it only porn is wrong, not social media is wrong? 1.00
00:15:18.640 Well, because porn is objectifying women.
00:15:20.340 But you know when you're posting yourself on social media that, like, men are looking at you with lust.
00:15:25.700 There's men out there that are going to see that.
00:15:27.820 I mean, you can say the same thing about walking down the street.
00:15:29.560 Look, I'm not saying it's wrong.
00:15:31.300 Pornography is for the purpose of lust.
00:15:32.080 I'm not saying it's wrong or it's right.
00:15:34.820 I'm just saying it's not traditional.
00:15:36.440 I'm not saying you're immoral for doing it.
00:15:38.220 Like, look, I'm here.
00:15:39.740 Well, I think there's a difference.
00:15:40.620 I'm saying it's just not traditional.
00:15:42.280 So even the people today that say they're traditional, they're not.
00:15:44.640 But I think there's a difference between pornography and social media, right?
00:15:47.480 Because pornography is for the purpose of lust.
00:15:51.120 Social media can be for any sort of purpose.
00:15:53.320 It could be sharing about how we could create a culture of life, a culture of beauty.
00:15:58.400 And we can share our marriages through that.
00:16:00.320 Yeah, but that's for women because men tend to value privacy. 1.00
00:16:04.120 So that's really – it's women that want to use their marriage to build their brand.
00:16:08.540 And so when I look at that, it's just not about God, right? 0.84
00:16:11.380 Last question.
00:16:12.540 Wait, wait.
00:16:12.860 So it's not about God.
00:16:13.920 it's about either money or getting, gaining status. So it's just not traditional.
00:16:18.640 No, it's an interesting point. My last question for you would be,
00:16:22.060 so we're talking about this pornography destroying marriage. Would you say that you're Catholic?
00:16:27.420 I'm not religious. 0.90
00:16:28.700 You're not religious.
00:16:29.380 Not religious.
00:16:29.780 Because we're talking about like traditional people and a lot of those tend to be traditional Catholics, right?
00:16:33.940 And I think that it's important to acknowledge that the catechism of the Catholic church actually says that pornography is always wrong.
00:16:40.740 So how would you justify that with porn-saving marriages? 0.57
00:16:43.940 Well, yeah, they say divorce is wrong, too, and that doesn't stop Catholic women from divorcing their husbands. 0.93
00:16:48.540 But it's a moral sin. 1.00
00:16:50.080 Yeah, but they still do it.
00:16:51.720 I've got to live in the real world.
00:16:52.700 Right, we're still human, right?
00:16:53.820 We all do things that are wrong.
00:16:55.540 We can strive to be better.
00:16:57.880 We can always strive to be better.
00:16:58.680 All I'm saying is it's a tool that men use in the situation where the marriage is sexless.
00:17:03.320 Right, but is it good? 0.64
00:17:05.340 For that, it's effective.
00:17:07.240 Good, bad, I mean, my opinion, who cares?
00:17:09.060 But I'm saying it's effective.
00:17:10.040 Let me go ahead and let you have a closing, and then we'll wrap this up.
00:17:12.920 Okay, cool.
00:17:13.520 Or you can get a final support or whatever.
00:17:15.360 So my closing statement would be pornography takes an intimate act that is supposed to be an act of love between the husband and wife,
00:17:23.660 and it turns it into lust with another woman.
00:17:26.280 And that is and will always be wrong.
00:17:28.200 And I do want to cite my statistics one more time that pornography, men who watch pornography are two times more likely to get a divorce,
00:17:36.120 and people who watch pornography together
00:17:38.300 are three times more likely to get a divorce. 0.62
00:17:40.800 So pornography does not save marriages. 1.00
00:17:42.820 It actually destroys them.
00:17:44.700 Yeah, well, I'll say that a lot of men 1.00
00:17:47.360 would be cheating if they didn't have porn, so. 0.87
00:17:51.160 All right.
00:17:51.900 All right, I want to open this.
00:17:52.840 Thank you.
00:17:53.160 I don't want to go for it.
00:17:54.440 I don't want to click on it.
00:17:55.140 Thank you, Pearl.
00:17:55.780 Oh, yeah, good.