Playing to Win - 065 - Shake From ’Love is Blind’ (Skip to 19

00:00:00.000 all right guys what's up we're live um oh shoot i just got a notification from facebook they

00:00:11.800 won't publish this because i came on more than nine minutes too late oh well oh well

00:00:17.840 my life will have to go on without them um still doing the show today

00:00:24.600 um shake was supposed to be on but uh he never arrived i don't know maybe uh maybe the villain

00:00:33.340 got taken captive by somebody from the show so um if you guys didn't hear i had covid last week

00:00:40.960 sorry to break the hearts of all my haters but i survived

00:00:44.240 they didn't get me i survived the black plague i've made it made it through the other side

00:00:49.840 um i'm gonna have to redo the title of the show because i already blocked off the time and i

00:00:56.520 wanted to do a live show so i'll just i'll just have to improvise and pivot um thankfully i got

00:01:03.200 some good material for you uh to pivot into and um i think what i'm going to talk about i want to talk

00:01:09.440 about a few things um i'll probably replace this uh show topic on how to handle um insta thoughts

00:01:18.480 you know women that you date that are obsessed with their phones and social media attention

00:01:24.380 and all that stuff yeah i'm off sorry brother there's there's no shake today i know that you're

00:01:30.420 really looking forward to this i was i was actually going to ask him what his advice would be for

00:01:34.380 um you know somebody doing something like this in the future but uh i don't know we'll see maybe

00:01:39.640 he'll maybe he'll pop in maybe he slept in who knows such is life when you do these live shows

00:01:44.420 it's funny because whenever i schedule in these live shows it's like you know people are like

00:01:48.300 okay yeah i'll be there and you update their calendar and you send them a reminder and all

00:01:52.280 that sort of stuff that's like ah whatever um anyway you guys are not going to be disappointed

00:01:58.640 with what i'm going to be talking about today we're going to have some fun with this and uh

00:02:04.380 we're going to roll solo because uh sometimes it's what you got to do man so uh what should i start

00:02:10.980 with this freaking covet situation dude

00:02:13.480 i can't believe they shut down the entire economy and fleeced everybody over what is essentially a

00:02:22.520 cold did you guys see that um there's there's a 47 minute documentary uh i think it's titled

00:02:30.400 watch the water and um i shared it on twitter last night um do yourselves a favor and go check it out

00:02:37.380 there's some quackery in it for sure um but uh there's a lot of dots connected that were previously

00:02:44.600 not connected about the origins of covid which i found fascinating i actually got notified of it by

00:02:51.760 the doctor that was doing my iv treatment so i had to get all healthy for this retreat that i'm doing

00:02:57.020 this weekend and i was going in daily i was spending 300 bucks a day getting uh two different vitamin bags

00:03:02.600 uh dripped into me and you know we got talking this guy was a real cool guy and he was telling me

00:03:06.880 about uh the notion that uh covid is is tied to snake venom and that's all i'm going to say so if you

00:03:14.120 go to my twitter timeline i posted it last night um i didn't post much last night it's pretty much

00:03:19.640 the only thing you'll be able to find this so go check it out so there's that um maybe do a show

00:03:28.460 about global anti-meat propaganda yeah maybe in the future you guys seem to like the one that i did on

00:03:34.500 klaus schwab and the uh global reset so i'll um i'll maybe talk about how they're trying to feed us

00:03:40.780 bugs which is kind of hilarious but it is what it is um yeah gotta gotta be careful with the youtubes

00:03:48.580 gotta be careful with the youtubes all right let's um grab this link over here so i can throw it up on

00:03:54.080 the screen and uh here let me see if i can change this title while i'm live here right now

00:03:58.600 uh because i don't think shake's gonna make it so let's do this on how to handle

00:04:05.160 addicted to instagram

00:04:09.920 ram

00:04:12.480 that should change save the chain the broadcast must be scheduled

00:04:18.900 please edit the start time i don't want to edit the start time i want to edit the title why are you

00:04:24.140 giving me the option to edit the title when you won't let me do it maybe i got to do it after the

00:04:28.320 show anyway i'm doing a lot better thanks you know thanks for asking um i'll have to do that

00:04:36.040 afterwards all right let me throw this up here on the screen and let's do how to deal with

00:04:42.160 these social media addicted thotteries chrome tab

00:04:49.240 uh virgin share so this is another ghosting segment from virgin i heard it this morning when

00:04:57.800 i was going in to get my beard all cleaned up so i could look like a handsome sexy bitch today for you

00:05:02.520 guys and um it's it's a quick one but this dude ditched this chick because of her addiction to her

00:05:10.940 phone and social media he was a really nice guy about it um you know your typical canadian

00:05:17.560 um so that's one way that you can handle it but i want to play it for you guys so you can hear

00:05:24.300 uh the frame around it and uh i'll give you a little bit of advice in my opinion anyway on how i

00:05:30.180 would handle something like this uh if i was out with a chick and she was doing this sort of nonsense

00:05:34.540 on her phone so um you guys should have audio on this if you can't hear when i'm playing this

00:05:41.940 uh let me know let's speed it up because that'll just take a lot less time my volume is up

00:05:49.720 and uh again let me know if you can't hear this uh but you should be good to go there's no video feed

00:05:56.340 so i mean you just need to listen to it really because it's just these guys in the studio talking

00:06:00.280 with subtitles here we go it sounds like you are a little bit uh insecure but don't worry like i get

00:06:06.180 it this happens a lot tons of guys cannot handle like my presence on social media

00:06:10.500 everybody let's welcome jessica it goes to jessica so it's not great that you're here but we're still

00:06:20.120 happy to meet you hi guys hi oh my god one of the first things that i want to state here is that

00:06:27.960 you know what you will notice is a lot of times when these women like call into these shows and

00:06:32.420 say oh i got ghosted by this guy i really like they don't tell you the whole story it's like i'm a

00:06:37.240 victim i don't know why he didn't want to talk to me help me out sort of thing right but i suspect

00:06:44.500 she knew that all of this shit was coming it's it's it's a bit of a ploy that's played

00:06:49.520 hey jessica tell us about doug what happened oh my gosh doug okay so he won't get back to me and

00:06:59.460 like i just don't know why and this has never happened to me before and i just you guys are

00:07:04.140 the experts so i figured maybe you could help me imagine imagine being so like consumed and

00:07:10.020 narcissistic that you're completely unaware socially uncalibrated to the extent where

00:07:16.740 you don't understand that a dude doesn't want anything to do with you because you're addicted

00:07:21.660 to posting on social media i don't know why you guys are the experts all right let's hear it

00:07:28.720 okay all right well let's walk it back here tell us a little bit about you and doug

00:07:32.460 and how you guys got started and where was that when he stopped messaging you back

00:07:36.520 okay so we met on hinge like it was like maybe like three weeks ago and we were talking a lot

00:07:43.280 through text um and we decided to meet up so last weekend we went to dinner at king street west

00:07:48.960 and we had a really great time it was super fun okay that's it well and i don't know if like

00:07:56.440 maybe something happened like to his phone or i thought he like followed me and then he unfollowed me

00:08:02.520 i don't know but he won't text me back and i'm just wondering like what's going on like he's okay

00:08:07.660 or are you talking about like instagram we followed you followed like by the way guys um

00:08:12.540 if you're dealing with a chick that behaves like this with her phone on social media uh don't just

00:08:20.540 ghost her let her know straight up i don't deal with women that are addicted to their phones and

00:08:25.600 posting on social media um let these thoughts know what's up usually when you're like yeah i went

00:08:30.960 out to dinner the guy followed me i'd be like uh that's scary yeah so you're talking about social

00:08:33.960 media yeah well yeah i mean like maybe he was intimidated by me because like i don't know i

00:08:39.120 was kind of getting some scares like yeah i mean like i'm you know whatever i have like i'm popular

00:08:43.660 on instagram but you know i just i mean maybe he was intimidated or scared off i'm popular on

00:08:49.440 instagram like i was getting stares i'm a god oh my god the insufferability of this nonsense

00:08:56.480 by that but like i just want him to know like that i don't care about that you know what i mean

00:09:00.660 so i just i mean i don't know a follow unfollow is not a good move so something definitely have you

00:09:06.560 ever liked unlike something oh yeah just embarrassing the move or when you accidentally

00:09:10.500 like something when you're creeping and it's from like 2016 the trick is you just go through in like

00:09:14.200 a whole bunch of photos and then you message me sorry i might need to have my phone oh okay you've

00:09:17.440 done that before okay so here's what we're gonna do jessica it doesn't sound like anything bad

00:09:21.180 happened that was like you know outward so what we'll do is is we'll call him next you listening on

00:09:26.000 the phone and we'll find out from him uh his side of the story okay great oh my gosh thank you so

00:09:30.520 much no problem so if you haven't met jessica jessica's great uh she went on a few dates with

00:09:36.960 this guy named doug and now we won't get back to her and she doesn't understand why now jessica you

00:09:40.100 did sort of mention that you were at a restaurant with him last week on king west and you were getting

00:09:43.780 some stares can you explain why that was well i'm popular on instagram and so i'm sure people

00:09:49.580 recognize me and i was like taking some pictures and stuff and i mean also i looked really good so i wanted

00:09:54.860 people stare okay and and there was some sort of following unfollowing incident too that you

00:09:59.580 mentioned i'm not sure there was a doug that followed me and unfollowed me but i don't even

00:10:03.180 know if it was him i didn't even like look at his profile i'm not sure okay okay so what we're

00:10:09.200 gonna do is call him with you listening on the phone like we always do and you know this and i

00:10:11.740 ask everybody this are you sure you want to make this call because it can be yeah harsh yeah i'm

00:10:16.080 sure okay well let's make the call to doug please hello hi is this doug yeah uh it's adam wild tj and

00:10:25.060 jacks from 99.9 virgin radio good morning hi oh uh okay all right guys uh yeah pleasure to hear from

00:10:32.220 you i guess not yet yeah maybe wait on that dog we're not actually that scary i just you know we

00:10:38.020 wanted to talk to you about an incident last week we understand um don't ask us how we understand that

00:10:43.840 you uh when i'm just scrolling through the comments here i want to see if somebody's tagged

00:10:48.380 during it this is this popular i'm so popular on instagram note last week with somebody and

00:10:53.600 ever since you haven't responded to their texts and we would classify that as a ghosting so we're

00:10:59.680 just investigating yeah yeah i uh i fear i know who we're talking about uh-huh i figured you might

00:11:07.760 because unless you went to two dinners on wednesday last week i did not know it's just the one

00:11:11.840 just the one what's up so what's up with you and jessica man she's like one of these these instagram

00:11:15.680 social media people and um i am just not that into that sort of i don't want to call it narcissism but

00:11:23.280 that sort of you know uh ego i guess and that's exactly what it is it's ego it's narcissism it's

00:11:30.960 when women are using their phones they're pointing the camera at themselves right they're not pointing

00:11:37.440 it at the world generally taking pictures of things it's like validate me you know give me

00:11:42.000 attention and show me your your likes like the the big danger and this was um this is a lot of data

00:11:50.480 that was put together by dr leonard sacks who's a child psychologist and he says you know the big

00:11:55.120 problem with screens is a lot of guys but guys you know like young men get addicted to them

00:12:00.880 um usually around video games and girls get addicted to them seeking validation and approval

00:12:07.760 um from you know social media uh it's basically from simps you know at the end of the day so

00:12:14.320 you can blame simps for all this anyway um and because i wasn't one of her wild admiring fans or a

00:12:22.400 mirror for her she paid zero attention to me yeah okay can you elaborate on that like what do you mean

00:12:28.560 um yeah i guess i can uh she is uh very very into herself and like uh you know a healthy ego is one

00:12:36.240 thing but um when it's all about your presence on uh instagram or tiktok like everything was an

00:12:42.480 instagram moment you know what i mean like everything had to be a photo or a video that i should have

00:12:48.240 figured it out earlier on because she correct me on taking her to you guys know areta yeah yeah it's

00:12:54.400 great just you know that i know now is the the top instagrammable spot in toronto which i thought

00:12:59.600 it was just a nice dinner spot but that was not the intention you know okay um as soon as she got

00:13:04.560 in the car when i picked her up uh she was on her phone she did not get off her phone the whole time

00:13:09.920 so look i mean i just got a message from shake by the way he said he's his time zone thing was off so

00:13:14.960 he's so he's on his way um the thing about this now if you pick up a chick and she's on her phone

00:13:21.360 immediately i would just turn around and drop her the off get the out right why why would you even

00:13:29.920 take her out to dinner to let her spend the night on your dime taking photographs of food

00:13:35.840 for her thirsty betas no we got to the restaurant i had to take a picture of her outside the restaurant

00:13:40.880 and we had to do a kick-tock as soon as we got it i'd take a picture of her outside of the restaurant

00:13:44.640 had to do a tick-tock as soon as we got in are you guys hearing this from the restaurant and

00:13:48.800 then yeah no taking photos of me holding a glass making me take photos of her holding a fork over

00:13:54.160 food but but i only photos of me were like of my hand yeah so that's you know you got nice hands

00:13:59.520 well thank you i'm looking at them right now yeah i wouldn't i didn't really need a picture of me but

00:14:07.200 like if you're not even yeah who are we what are we hiding you know it just felt i don't know it was

00:14:12.560 weird man you know fake and uncomfortable and um like i said she just she wasn't present you

00:14:16.960 you know she wasn't there for the age she's there for the photos is that something that they're into

00:14:19.840 you know social media cool cool cool but like you said not for you and not really the time yeah hold

00:14:23.120 on hold on hold on i i think it's fair that we get the other side of this is it not sure

00:14:26.960 is it not yeah i'd like to okay so you know what doug we did you a little bit dirty jessica has been

00:14:30.960 on the phone listening to this the entire time you got to listen to this now oh hi doug um hi

00:14:37.360 oh my god like are you jealous like it sounds like you are a little bit uh insecure but don't worry like i get it

00:14:44.080 it she comes at this dude right now with oh my god are you jealous it sounds like you're a little

00:14:49.520 bit insecure like can you believe the audacity of this one this happens a lot tons of guys cannot

00:14:56.880 handle like my presence on social media but i just want you to know doug i really want to make it work

00:15:01.200 with you and this is the problem with social media and these young broads today is is is it like

00:15:06.960 they already have an overly entitled sense of self-worth and because they have a following i don't know

00:15:13.440 what it is a thousand ten thousand a hundred thousand who cares even if it's a hundred thousand

00:15:18.080 thirsty nerds that follow and like her and slide into her dms on a daily basis telling her how beautiful

00:15:24.320 she is she she thinks that she's important like this is your job and i i need a normal guy like you in

00:15:32.960 my life jessica like yeah honest yes what do you mean you need him normal guy another yeah like a

00:15:41.040 normal guy like all the guys are trash and doug is you're so sweet and nice um well thanks um i'll

00:15:48.800 tell you it's not just the guys i think they can't handle it but the lady at the table next to us put

00:15:52.880 the napkin over her head while you were shining that light on your food so like

00:15:55.680 okay okay okay i appreciate your i was working like this is my job i was working like this is my

00:16:04.720 job you're freaking kidding me you think that posting your food on instagram is a job you dummy this is

00:16:15.120 this is it man this is it um you know like a half break yeah i mean i i get it but like on a first date

00:16:21.680 like yeah you say i'm a nice guy you don't know anything about me you didn't ask me anything

00:16:28.640 you were in your phone the whole time i hate to say i don't think you're far off from the guys

00:16:32.880 usually date because like okay okay it just wasn't great you're not right for each other okay okay

00:16:39.200 is that is that fair you guys are not right for each other that's that's what i'm saying yeah okay

00:16:43.600 oh my god no like we can jug oh my god you're so cute this is like enough with that though i mean

00:16:49.920 let's where should we go next do you want to go to the distillery district oh no maybe the like

00:16:54.240 the amount of total zero self-awareness he's obviously telling her by ghosting her ass he's

00:17:00.400 not interested he's he's telling her on the live call i'm not interested and she's just like trying

00:17:05.520 to ignore that completely and be like oh well you know where should we go next to the distillery

00:17:10.320 district let's go to this restaurant let's go to that it's like like zero self-awareness this is

00:17:16.400 like this is red flag this is a walking more red flags than a chinese communist parade with this

00:17:22.480 one all right well um okay jessica i um i don't really know how else to say this so i'm gonna go

00:17:32.000 now um thank you radio for having me on you're very welcome with you guys um good luck to you guys

00:17:37.920 and watch what she does next i hope you find what you're looking for take care okay

00:17:43.520 what is it yeah his line's dead his line's dead sorry what uh jessica i hate to tell you this i

00:17:47.680 don't think that that's going anywhere i think he just unfollowed you again this doesn't make any

00:17:52.960 sense what's happening what is oh my god you're not meant to be yeah no i should have hung up first

00:17:58.560 what no no no right no no yeah this chick's delusional i should have hung up first what's

00:18:03.440 happening i don't understand you should have definitely hung up first get him back on the

00:18:08.320 phone okay all right jessica you do your thing and and take good care okay and congrats on all your

00:18:12.400 success yeah that's awesome hard work oh thank you guys all right have a wonderful day what a bimbo

00:18:18.160 anyway that's that's life fellas that's life that's that's what you get with these thoughts

00:18:24.400 so how do you handle that let's see if shakes gonna make it

00:18:30.320 how did time zone change threw me off sorry 10 11 all right we'll see if he hops in um

00:18:38.000 i i think that stuff like this gents if we're being honest needs to be handled at the very early

00:18:45.600 phases i believe they said on the radio show they met on a dating app uh hinge if i wasn't mistaken

00:18:52.480 um you should do some recon before you deal with the chick all right i mean if you're gonna if you're

00:18:58.320 gonna go out with her um and you see her her social links and she's spending her days on instagram with

00:19:07.600 stories and posts and reels and tick tocks and and it's like you know this is my job are you actually

00:19:16.720 selling anything on social media like are you are you are you able to make money off it or is it just

00:19:23.440 you know validation attention and likes i got shake here he's just arrived what's up buddy hey how's it

00:19:30.160 going nice to nice to see you i had to i had to improvise i uh i had the show scheduled for uh 10 and it

00:19:37.760 and it goes live otherwise they throw me off so i did a little bit here on women that are addicted to

00:19:42.000 social media um i did a little ghosting segment which is which is this radio show here and i want

00:19:48.080 to get your opinion on this okay um girl goes out with a guy she spends the entire date on her phone

00:19:53.920 posting pictures of food on on instagram take a picture of me outside the restaurant needs to do a

00:19:59.120 tick tock inside the restaurant more pictures inside the restaurant basically the whole night on the phone

00:20:04.240 the dude goes there and just doesn't bother responding so she calls into the radio show

00:20:09.600 trying to put the guy in the spot like you know hey why did this happen you know can we maybe call

00:20:13.360 him up and see what he says about it okay on that man like you ever been out with a chick and she's

00:20:17.600 like on her phone continuously looking for validation and likes from people while you're paying for the

00:20:21.600 dinner uh fortunately no but i've heard of that happening to far too many people and then the other

00:20:29.120 side of that is uh they're posting their tick tocks they're they're doing whatever and then they're

00:20:34.000 never posting the guy it's like it's it's you know who's out here paying for this meal and nobody

00:20:39.360 nobody ever knows because they like kind of keep that part secret yeah uh thankfully that exact

00:20:45.360 scenario hasn't really happened to me but it's you know it's pretty ubiquitous in today's dating world

00:20:51.520 for sure very common in fact i got uh my boy moff here in the chat he says can i put you on my shoulders

00:20:57.360 king shake so get me up there if you guys don't know who shake is he is the uh villain from love

00:21:06.320 is blind season two um i i did a bit of a breakdown on the show on a on a prior podcast live a few weeks

00:21:15.760 ago and then i got a message from you uh afterwards saying that you had seen it and that you know you

00:21:20.320 wanted to chop it up and that you appreciated the way that i sort of framed um the reality of what the

00:21:26.080 show was and the way that you handled it um what was your experience on that show like

00:21:32.160 you know for for those that saw it on the outside they saw the version that they wanted to tell

00:21:36.960 but from your end like is it something that you would do again or was it like a colossal waste of

00:21:41.360 time for you uh i i wouldn't do it again um but it also wasn't a colossal waste of time you know

00:21:48.160 i i certainly enjoyed a lot of it it was a fun experience i'll say um being part of such a

00:21:56.000 like a huge production you know what i mean um but i say huge like like what's huge like how many

00:22:01.760 people were involved with the studio a lot you know um it just seems yeah uh because we were in a

00:22:10.640 few different locations we started in la or outside la for the the pods and then we were in mexico and

00:22:18.160 then we were in chicago and while a few people remain constant throughout that it's like throughout

00:22:25.680 throughout each stage we'd have like a bunch of new people suddenly show up and then like they'd be

00:22:30.640 gone and then you know they'd be replaced by somebody else so all in all it was a lot of people

00:22:35.920 a lot of you know a lot of camera people lighting people some of the producers were pretty constant

00:22:40.640 throughout but um it was fun it was cool and it wasn't until i saw my edit that i was like okay

00:22:51.280 wow this is bullshit during during the the actual filming i'm like this is great this is going great

00:22:57.120 guys like what are you talking about it was that different from your actual experience like the final

00:23:01.520 edit that we saw was was that different from from what you perceive to be like your reality at the

00:23:08.160 time like they can you know they can skew it with what they decide to show obviously and how they

00:23:13.760 present you know what it is that they're showing leading up to that right yeah that's that's basically

00:23:18.880 right i mean um i'll put it to you this way we were all great friends up until the show came out

00:23:28.240 you know and even even halfway through the show being out we were all friends so for example one week

00:23:36.000 before the reunion was filmed actually it was less than a week um it was super bowl sunday and i watched

00:23:42.080 the super bowl with shane uh kyle and deeps my ex-fiance we watched it together so i mean that should

00:23:52.640 show that there was at least some camaraderie there we were still on decent terms um but it's it's when the

00:24:02.400 cameras turned on for the reunion that everybody started kind of like you know going after well i

00:24:09.120 was gonna say going after each other but it was really really just going after me i would say

00:24:13.920 because i was kind of just without a doubt the villain of the show to everybody and it was like hey if if

00:24:21.760 i throw shade at this guy maybe everyone else is gonna think i'm a good person you know and it kind

00:24:27.600 of just became that way yeah um i got a bunch of notes here that i wanted to kind of like you know

00:24:32.160 work through with you so um i just wanted to start with nick lachey um i heard you called him a little

00:24:38.000 bitch at one point more than once actually but yeah yeah nick lachey you know it's just peak

00:24:46.880 hypocritical you know like media i guess is what i would yeah he's like a hollywood puppet was the

00:24:54.560 impression that i got his wife probably runs him i wouldn't be surprised if there's some pegging going

00:24:58.800 on god yeah yeah maybe maybe i wouldn't be surprised either uh i mean let's just start with you know uh

00:25:08.320 him and his his current wife so they they wanted to put me on blast for having preferences when um

00:25:17.840 um in reality they met on the set of a music video so you know not exactly the most uh you know deep

00:25:27.120 way to meet somebody like they saw each other they're like oh this person's hot they they move

00:25:31.840 forward i don't i don't know who uh vanessa is is is she an artist or was she just like a random

00:25:37.280 dancing girl on the music video i think she was a dancing girl on the music video i mean she

00:25:42.720 she she has a career now yeah it was one of his videos i mean i i wouldn't say that she was like

00:25:48.400 like a nobody dancing you know she's she has her own talents i don't want to take away from take away

00:25:52.560 from her skills and talents but there's there's no doubt that physical attraction played an enormous

00:25:59.040 role in their relationship right and and so it does for everybody exactly exactly exactly but then let's

00:26:05.360 back it up a little bit um nick lachey and his ex-wife jessica simpson now the really interesting

00:26:12.160 thing about this is unlike most marriages a lot of this marriage was was taped right it was you

00:26:18.320 know on that show and let me just say that show did not age well it did not age well at all like

00:26:24.960 if you go back and watch clips of it and some of them have surfaced kind of since all this started to

00:26:30.000 me he's a dick like he's a huge dick to her um and so it's just very again hypocritical for him to

00:26:38.240 tell me uh anything about how it is i treat women because i mean like go look in the mirror bro like

00:26:45.200 go go watch some old tapes yeah that's um do you know what the phrase white knighting means

00:26:52.080 yeah i've heard yeah yeah like it like it seems like he and a lot of the other guys on the show

00:26:57.680 like a lot of your co um contestants or you know co-participants whatever you want to call them

00:27:03.360 were doing a lot of white knighting you know especially around the women um and it was designed

00:27:09.120 essentially to because i mean like you were essentially the alpha male in the room right and

00:27:13.760 and everybody was trying to reduce your status and your value by trying to take you down a notch by

00:27:21.440 saying oh he's i don't know he's degrading or he's harsh you know there's different language that

00:27:26.000 i heard use like did you get the sense when you were dealing with them especially during the

00:27:29.920 reunion part yeah absolutely um you know i'll say it like this i mean they it almost seemed like they

00:27:38.400 were upset that i wasn't like bending the knee down yeah bending the knee there you go that's that's

00:27:45.440 a perfect way to put it yeah um i'm like i'm not gonna do that like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna like

00:27:50.560 pretend to be all sad and apologetic when truth be told there isn't really anything terrible that i did

00:27:57.440 um and that actually made them mad you know in a lot of ways but but not it was it was really ironic

00:28:06.720 because before before that like even shane and i shared an uber to the airport and flew to la and

00:28:14.080 everything it's when the cameras came on it's only then did they feel comfortable to like kind of lay

00:28:21.120 into me like that but after that happened you know now there is no relationship off camera right

00:28:26.960 before that there was a relationship off camera i mean we were we were hanging out

00:28:32.560 not so long before that you know we talked about the super bowl uh maybe a month before

00:28:37.520 that we were um at danielle's parents lake house and i was there with nick and jared niana and like it

00:28:44.800 was a great time natalie was there too and then uh i had visited shane to to go to the bears packers

00:28:51.520 game i visited him in green bay and like stayed with his mom and it was an awesome time it's it's

00:28:57.120 just when i don't know it's like they took their chance to be like all right we got to make sure we

00:29:02.400 don't associate with this guy because he he won't like you said perfect bend the knee and they didn't

00:29:07.600 want to associate with me so why do you take that approach when it comes to dealing with people i mean

00:29:12.640 it's it's you know it's generally only when you've got options that guys are able to like sort of live

00:29:18.080 their life that way i think for the most part a lot of guys today are a lot softer than our parents

00:29:23.760 generation and you know there's these coin terms like you know white knighting and soy boy and there's

00:29:29.280 a lot of guys that would just like do do anything to make a girl look good at their expense it's like

00:29:36.160 guys will become less so she can become more sort of thing and your approach was like no

00:29:42.720 i am who i am i have the preferences that i have if you don't like it then that's your

00:29:47.520 problem not mine right how did you how did you arrive at that like was it like your upbringing

00:29:52.480 is it part of culture for you or yeah hard hard to say hard to say and you know it's not as though i

00:29:59.360 was unwilling completely to you know try and protect or help the image of of my ex-fiance either i mean

00:30:10.640 the the a good example of that is i knew pretty early on that this this wasn't going to work out

00:30:17.120 and i'm not going to say too much but like let's just put it this way the wedding was going to happen

00:30:21.680 one way or another you know let's just let's just kind of leave it there you know it had to happen for

00:30:27.040 the show read between the lines you know um and she knew pretty early on that it just wasn't

00:30:34.320 it wasn't gonna be it wasn't gonna it was gonna be a no for me dog you know what i mean but

00:30:41.280 i did want to give her every opportunity to you know leave this show with some dignity self-respect

00:30:49.600 whatever so i said please if you get if you get asked first it's probably best that you say no

00:30:55.440 first you know because i don't want to put you in a situation where you know i'm i'm gonna say no and

00:31:02.400 then you know it we're gonna be that it looks worse if i say no right so so i kind of did that for her

00:31:08.720 not to minimize myself but just you know really just to protect her um and i feel like it almost like

00:31:14.400 you know what they say no good deed goes unpunished like now it's kind of like taking on a whole new

00:31:18.720 thing yeah i think you would have been an even bigger villain if you were the one that said no

00:31:22.560 first um you went you went real fast from the first visual introduction to deep tea um you had this like

00:31:31.360 look of astonishment on your face i think is the best way to put it and you went real quick from

00:31:36.080 i want to put babies in you right now to i feel like i'm dating my aunt and i know what that's like

00:31:42.560 because i've dated a chick before that reminded me of a cousin and i was just like i can't do it i can't

00:31:48.400 do it well thanks for saying that yeah i mean people like were ready to bash me for for having

00:31:54.240 that feeling but i think it's a feeling that we've all had in one way or another you know someone

00:31:59.360 reminds me of my cousin or my or my co-worker or like just somebody else right um but yeah okay let

00:32:05.680 me answer your question so when i first saw her i i was thrilled with what i saw okay so we had formed

00:32:14.880 such a deep connection in the pods and we were so you know so close emotionally and when i saw her

00:32:25.760 at with all the like hype built around it that you know the cameras are all there the lights the red

00:32:31.040 carpet like it's built up so much you know i and when i saw her visually i i was attracted i was like

00:32:37.600 oh wow she's she's pretty like i'm attracted to this person right now and all the emotions hyped that

00:32:43.680 up even more and it was a very pure moment there was no there was no faking it or or anything there

00:32:51.760 okay um but those kind of like hyped up moments those really high highs they're not real you know what

00:33:01.040 i mean um once let's see to note there's chemistry you have to spend some time in the lab you know

00:33:12.320 right and so that just wasn't enough time in the lab like we had that was like a 15 minute thing and

00:33:17.440 then we didn't see each other for a couple days until we were in mexico which is probably another like

00:33:22.800 strategy like okay like let it build up in their minds and you know they want to capture every moment

00:33:28.080 together so once once we got to mexico it's it's different like now we're like kind of almost

00:33:36.960 expected to have this physical connection right and the cameras are on and everything else i'll say this

00:33:46.480 i guess in past relationships i've been i've been a little spoiled i guess almost like the girl i was

00:33:54.960 dating before deeps tiny blonde six-pack like great shape you know um and that was

00:34:04.880 that was great i kind of got used to that so to speak so once we had this pool scene there's like

00:34:12.880 really no really gentle way to say this like once we had this pool scene you know at first i'm like okay

00:34:19.120 hey maybe this is something i can kind of work past like hey the whole point of the show is to kind of

00:34:23.600 like get past this physical get past what you know what somebody looks like and fall in love

00:34:29.600 with their personality i've often said like nobody nobody gets excited about somebody else's

00:34:34.720 personality like you know i can't a nice personality right yeah but that's what they're trying to get

00:34:40.160 you guys to do right is to fall in love with the personality and forget what they look like

00:34:44.640 yeah yeah basically and and i'll tell you this she's and i still find her pretty i i still think she's

00:34:49.840 pretty but like once you know you're like if you're in like say a pool together and you're like up and

00:34:56.880 close and like feeling each other your body is going to either respond or it's not going to respond

00:35:02.160 right like it's not it's not even something you think about because like even then i'm like looking

00:35:06.160 at her i'm like okay yeah she's she's a pretty girl she's a pretty girl but we are animals you know i

00:35:13.200 i know they kind of came after me for this but we we are animals like we have biologic cues that

00:35:18.080 we pick up on and like subconsciously act on and those those cues in this case you know they weren't

00:35:24.800 there for me and that's that's when i kind of knew pretty fast because that's not something that kind

00:35:29.120 of develops over time no it's there right away yeah it's absolutely there right away i mean you know

00:35:35.280 often uh within the first few seconds you know when you see them especially if they're wearing the

00:35:39.760 right clothing and the lighting's good like you'll know right away absolutely um you're 100 right so

00:35:45.760 i mean the whole premise of the show was to stick a man and a woman in these pods with a wall between

00:35:52.880 you and then you kind of like chop it up like you just sort of have conversations um they showed

00:36:00.000 obviously clips of highlights that they wanted to show how much time did you guys actually spend in

00:36:04.640 the pods talking to each other in total um so it was about 10 days i want to say um and as you kind

00:36:14.480 of moved along as you made connections you would spend longer and longer with the people you made

00:36:19.920 connections with so so would you like reserve time with somebody that you wanted to see again

00:36:24.320 you know sort of thing and they would put you together with that person it we didn't have as much

00:36:29.040 control um i mean we did get we had a say in who we wanted to see but but there's also an aspect

00:36:36.800 that they were controlling so like when you went in and you'd hear their voice and you figured out who

00:36:42.160 it was you'd be like really happy like oh it's my person or or oh this is not one of the people that

00:36:47.440 i'm super interested in maybe we'll just kind of like keep it polite and like hang out for a little bit

00:36:52.560 i saw that they kind of put shane on the spot at one point and swapped out like natalie for shana

00:36:58.640 and he thought it was the other girl and there was that big drama that unfolded because of it like

00:37:02.800 that was part of the production yeah i think that was that was his own fault honestly because it's

00:37:08.160 never where you like expect somebody like you know from the beginning that you you don't know until

00:37:14.560 you're in there talking to them and like part of the fun of it is you go in there you try and figure

00:37:20.320 out who it is based on their voice and usually you can pretty quick so yeah i there's no like

00:37:26.800 switcheroo that could really happen i mean um yeah did they end up telling you guys to stay away from

00:37:34.960 questions that would lead towards um the optics of attraction height weight hair length hair color

00:37:41.520 stuff like that because i mean like you were clever about it because you're all like hey you know i like

00:37:45.520 music festivals uh i like putting girls on my shoulders at music festivals would i have a

00:37:50.240 problem putting you on my shoulder at a music festival sort of thing yeah well um they they

00:37:56.400 kind of said remember what the point of the show is kind of like that like it wasn't like i don't care

00:38:03.200 i need to know what she looks like yeah i mean i i for both of our sakes i didn't want to be in a

00:38:09.040 situation where i was so far out of the ballpark of my physical range that like it's like okay now it's

00:38:16.160 really a waste of time you know and i tried to say that at the reunion too i was like hey i want

00:38:20.400 to get in the ballpark i wanted it to work you know for the initial stages you know i believed in

00:38:27.840 this maybe working and i wanted to give it a fair shot um looking back now i'm like okay i don't know

00:38:36.000 that you know the point of the show was to like clown on people once you know once they you know put

00:38:43.760 themselves out there now i get that but at some point i i believed in the show for you know what

00:38:49.920 they were claiming um men are generally considered success objects so i mean did did women ask questions

00:38:58.800 that were that were tied into things that women seem most interested in like how tall is he how

00:39:03.840 successful is he what do you do for a living i mean you're a veterinarian so you're essentially a

00:39:07.920 doctor right i mean you've done well for yourself did did they have any of those like questions come up at

00:39:12.880 you when you guys were doing your pod stuff because i didn't see that end up in the final piece the

00:39:17.920 only thing that really ended up was like you know you basically trying to size them up for weight

00:39:24.240 um so those sort of questions were completely kosher you know i mean i could ask you what you

00:39:30.960 did for a living how tall you are well not okay so not the tall as much because that's physical but

00:39:35.600 like as far as like you know your career and things like that those were completely acceptable

00:39:41.200 to ask funny funny how that is a you know yeah you know it's okay for women to find out you know

00:39:47.280 what it is that you do for a living which translates into your earning potential right

00:39:50.720 because women are always concerned with a guy's future you know sort of thing totally but you can't

00:39:55.760 figure out what it is that she looks like which is the most important thing to men

00:39:59.520 yeah yeah i mean it is far more important to men than it is to women i mean it is important to

00:40:04.240 both but um i think we can we can agree upon upon that and just so you know here's some tea for you

00:40:11.680 so um this obviously never made the cut but but i did get asked not how tall i was but i was asked

00:40:20.080 by ayana how tall a couple of the guys were including jared because she was trying to narrow

00:40:27.760 down the pool for herself right so like this is ayana the same person who like you know wanted

00:40:33.760 to call me out called you shallow call me shallow called me a narcissist everything between you know

00:40:39.280 and it's just really interesting it's like all right you you are so comfortable being the person

00:40:45.280 they portrayed you to be um which is like this perfect you know little angel um and enough so

00:40:52.960 that you can try and like bring me down too and and that's not to say anything like terrible about

00:40:58.640 ayana she is a nice she is a nice girl you know she's there's nothing awful i have to say about her

00:41:05.200 but if you're gonna call me out for doing something that you pretty much did that's a little hypocritical

00:41:11.280 yeah are those two still together yeah um who else ended up together at the end uh i can't remember

00:41:21.040 the guy's name the tall dorky guy he's very awkward with a girl that used to be fat oh yeah nick yeah oh

00:41:26.880 i don't like that guy at all he's he's a he's an awkward strange fella isn't he well aside from being

00:41:33.760 awkward and strange it just most of the time we were all very suspicious of him because he'd like

00:41:42.960 roll up to the group and be like so how's your sex lives it's like it's like who asked you to ask us

00:41:51.120 that like he was probably a virgin before the show that's probably why maybe it was more like it was

00:41:56.880 more like he like somebody like pulled him aside and they were like all right nick we need you to find

00:42:01.920 out this information and like get in there go so we're like what are you are you even a contested

00:42:07.280 are you secretly like were you planted here you know like i never trusted the guy and like it's

00:42:12.320 it was very obvious like what the questions he would ask um that he would be trying to stir up some kind

00:42:18.080 of drama um as far as the you know that goes i wasn't affected as much as like like shane and natalie

00:42:25.520 and stuff like that but right it was just from watching it happen i'm like dude i don't trust you at all

00:42:30.560 yeah yeah he he definitely threw off some weird vibes um shane also threw off some really strange

00:42:36.960 vibes too like the guy looked like he was on something like i don't know if he snorted a line

00:42:40.320 every day or if he's on a like somewhere on the spectrum with his personality like what was up with

00:42:44.960 shane yeah um she's an interesting dude i mean he he definitely had the most like outbursts of anybody

00:42:54.960 throughout that throughout i just got to put you on pause for a sec shake i got my cleaners over just

00:42:59.760 give me one second okay just bear with me sorry no worries

00:43:08.960 all right all right all right sorry about that man you're just about to say

00:43:26.160 no worries no um he he had like several outbursts throughout the show like some of which on camera

00:43:35.520 many many many many of which off camera and i'm like this this dude is unstable i was still friends

00:43:42.000 with him like i you know um he he was actually one of the guys that i got along like got along with the

00:43:48.800 most for whatever reason um we saw eye to eye on a lot of stuff but a lot of times i was like this guy

00:43:55.360 like i'm a little worried about him um i don't know if you've heard any of the rumors that were going

00:44:00.880 around about i don't know you kind of said some of them you know about like what's probably going on

00:44:06.880 and you're not completely wrong about those you know without me saying too much um yeah i mean i i

00:44:14.320 hope i hope he's doing okay like what what upset me about shane the most after filming there was many

00:44:22.400 times he showed up at my condo with nowhere to go needed a place to crash like sleeping on my couch

00:44:30.880 like i'm helping him out you know or like you call me in the middle of the night like he needs to talk

00:44:36.320 something like that like you know he he's kind of a wreck and a lot of it is because of the reasons that

00:44:43.280 you kind of alluded to and he was just so so quick at the reunion to like jump on this thing with

00:44:50.240 everybody else and like once that happened you know it happened kind of early on in the reunion

00:44:57.040 i was like okay like i know now that i have no friends here and for that for that reason i'm like

00:45:03.680 i i'm like i'm just gonna i'm just gonna start saying the truth then you know like if this is how

00:45:08.960 it's gonna be i'm not gonna like i'm not gonna play this game where like everyone's protecting each

00:45:14.800 other but then coming after me i'm like all right fine i'm just gonna start like being honest about what

00:45:19.440 happened um another couple i wanted to ask you about as well and i uh talked about it in that uh

00:45:26.640 prior podcast that you said that you saw with uh kyle and shana and on the show there was a

00:45:35.200 portrayal that this dude was like simping for a girl that clearly didn't seem to have genuine interest in

00:45:41.840 him um yeah what was going on behind the scenes you know with those two beyond what i had talked

00:45:47.840 about on that um feedback yeah so i know he appeared to be like sing along like you said but another layer

00:45:59.280 to it um let me start by saying this every single person on the show went on it to some degree looking for

00:46:08.960 fame right i mean it's like you don't go on a show like this without that in the back of your mind

00:46:14.400 you know um every single one including me you know and and that hey i mean that's kind of the point of

00:46:19.680 the show one of the points of the show but there's some people who really did it for fame you know what i

00:46:27.280 mean and kyle is a perfect example of that you know um kyle he's applied to like 20 different

00:46:36.960 reality shows you know dating and not dating um he he knew where he stood with shana but he's like okay

00:46:44.720 like let's just like try and see how far we can go with this you know keep this going along

00:46:49.760 um he's applied to several dating shows since the show has come out he's taken acting lessons things

00:46:57.360 like that so like that's that's where i stand with him like shana on the other hand i think she felt

00:47:04.160 something for shane and yes she did accept the the you know engagement to be on the show a little bit

00:47:15.680 longer i think she she wanted it to get another chance at like talking to shane and to be on the

00:47:20.800 show a little bit longer you know but for kyle i think it's like a straight up like like he would

00:47:26.240 uh i don't know like if if that like whole simp role of his like were to continue into like all the

00:47:33.680 way to the wedding he would have just rode that out if he could have you know he has no he has no

00:47:38.800 problem with with looking that way if it means getting the camera time um and and he's kind of on my

00:47:45.280 shit list too because at the reunion i'm not sure if you recall but he made this big dramatic phrase

00:47:53.040 where he's like shake you you screwed up man i could have married deeps it could have been me

00:48:00.720 who got engaged to deeps like he expected me to be like oh well i was like dude just go marry her

00:48:06.960 then bro like go ahead like what's stopping you like you have you have you know my my blessing

00:48:13.360 and the the thing that pissed me off about that like i said less than a week ago we're watching

00:48:18.400 the super bowl right why don't you tell me then bro or the the 50 times we hung out before that

00:48:25.440 we hung out so many times between filming rapping and then the reunion being filmed it's obvious he just

00:48:33.600 wanted to save that to be dramatic and like kind of throw shade at me at the reunion you know so like

00:48:40.400 i lost i lost a lot of respect for the guy what did you learn about human nature um between men

00:48:47.120 i mean this is a two-part question so like from the show and from your experience you know post show

00:48:54.240 obviously what did you learn about you know the nature between men you know as friends because you

00:48:59.600 obviously live with the guys you know between the pod sort of sessions and all the girls were on the

00:49:04.560 other side and what did you learn about women you know the dynamics between men and women yeah um i

00:49:10.800 mean that's it's a pretty open-ended question but you know i i will say this i think um you know the the

00:49:19.120 concept of group think is a very very real thing and um you know the men who had no problem like joking

00:49:30.720 around with me and like you know allowing me to to be open with them and like even giving me feedback

00:49:37.840 normal constructive feedback um initially once the girls kind of got more involved with them now

00:49:46.480 they're like spilling everything to the girls and like you know these are just just like you talk to

00:49:51.920 your guy friends when you need someone to talk to when you want some advice like imagine if those guys

00:49:58.560 like went behind your back and like suddenly spilled all that to the girls like that some

00:50:05.840 things are not meant to be heard by the opposite sex right um but in a situation like this i honestly

00:50:12.320 feel like i don't know what the right word for is you know you were talking about the white knighting

00:50:17.600 thing like that was in full force that was in full full force especially on a show like this where

00:50:25.520 you know the women are typically going to have more of a you know they're going to be featured more

00:50:36.000 they're going to become more famous they're going to be you know more prominent we'll say so because of

00:50:42.160 that like this white knighting is like to another extreme it's like oh okay i used to be on this guy's

00:50:48.560 side but now i'm seeing that this you know the girls are being kind of you know they're more

00:50:55.200 prominent they have more influence so it's like all right well i guess i'm on on the girls team now

00:51:02.080 and and it's it's very obvious like for the rest of the cast it's kind of like what the girls do the

00:51:07.200 guys kind of follow along like they're almost trying to like stay on the girls good side to be

00:51:14.400 and what do you think about this stuff i think it's sad bro i think it's guys letting women lead

00:51:19.760 i mean i i i don't think i i i don't think from like a sexual polarity standpoint but at all but i i

00:51:28.400 i think it's i think it's sad that like these guys aren't confident enough to kind of like make their

00:51:34.000 own way for better for worse you know but i mean isn't that the status of masculinity today in the west

00:51:39.440 generally speaking is is you know guys are becoming less so women can become more they

00:51:44.480 always defer to their wives i mean it's why you hear this stupid lyric that all these married nerds

00:51:49.600 always regurgitate over and over again happy wife happy life right like these are the same guys that

00:51:55.120 will go to google at 10 o'clock at night you know when their wives are in bed watching some stupid tv

00:52:00.400 show going how do i get my wife to fuck me sort of thing right oh yeah yeah oh you're right you're

00:52:06.640 right it's uh it's pervasive and um i'm not sure how we got this way and you know i know you kind of

00:52:12.480 asked me before it's like how you know what part of your childhood or whatever like you know when did

00:52:19.680 you have the wake-up call and i'm not sure i'm not sure it's just it just didn't really jive well with

00:52:25.120 me i mean my parents are happily married they're they're great i i love them both um is your father

00:52:31.440 the patriarch like the one that led the family yeah definitely i mean my mom she's also like very

00:52:39.120 vocal and well-spoken and all that too but like in a good way you know what i mean i i don't i don't see

00:52:46.640 i don't see any you know mismatch there um but you know actually now that i think about it i i did read

00:52:54.000 a book by cory wayne are you familiar with him oh not that one that's dude i gotta send you a copy

00:52:59.760 of my book okay yeah i'd love to read it okay so cory wayne so what happened no i just want to say

00:53:04.960 that that um you know as far as mindset i did learn a lot from that book you know and and it's

00:53:12.640 i i have to read your book still but you know essentially starting point it's it's um it's not

00:53:17.600 going to get you to a three percent man i tell guys it'll get you like 30 like it'll get okay

00:53:22.240 not in the top for sure but yeah okay well no just just the i there's an idea there where it's like

00:53:28.960 you know a man follows his purpose and then you know once you're following your purpose everything

00:53:35.840 else falls into place including your relationships right moff got blocked on it's the cory

00:53:43.760 but you know but that that that always you know stuck with me it's like yeah i'm gonna do what's best for

00:53:50.400 me and then like i'm i'm driving this bus and like you can hop on the bus and you can have a great

00:53:56.160 time or like if you don't want to be on the bus that's okay but i'm not gonna hop on your bus you

00:54:00.880 know i i'm not gonna let i'm not gonna let you drive my bus yeah the and and i mean the second part

00:54:07.680 to that was also like what did you learn about the dynamics between men and women from that experience on that show

00:54:13.040 um were there any big lessons for you or oh the the dynamics between men and women i mean

00:54:22.400 i i i think men are very visual creatures i think that's that's gonna matter to us like

00:54:28.000 that always will matter to us well i mean there there should be maybe an experiment where like

00:54:34.720 the the men can't see the women but the women don't know like anything about our careers you know what

00:54:39.440 i mean like like like you were saying because like the scale is different it's it's not apples to

00:54:45.440 to apples really here um what what we what we judge or evaluate uh women on is not the same as what

00:54:57.760 they evaluate us on um i'd say that'd be the the biggest takeaway and and that love is not blind man

00:55:04.720 it's just not it's just not you know like even at the end of the day if you have like the best

00:55:09.280 best career and everything like how you look is still gonna matter to the woman definitely i noticed

00:55:14.560 that they casted um some overweight women on the show but they didn't cast any overweight men or short

00:55:24.720 men i didn't see any short guys anyway is that the was that the casting you know generally speaking on

00:55:30.080 uh you know now there there were some there were some um a couple guys that were on the shorter side

00:55:38.640 some on the taller side um and then there were some some you know thick women i would say um too and

00:55:49.360 actually one of them did make it quite far almost did get engaged you know and obviously we didn't know

00:55:57.280 you know you know what anyone looked like beforehand um it it worked out that way it worked out that way

00:56:04.560 i don't i don't know that it was like purposely planned i mean don't get me wrong i'm like i'm not

00:56:11.520 defending this production company by any means like you know i don't i don't really like them or feel good

00:56:16.080 about them but i i think they made a decent effort in this regard um but for whatever reason it didn't

00:56:24.240 didn't play out that way i mean you you saw in the beginning pod scenes you know i'm like talking

00:56:29.920 about working out or something and like the girl's like no i don't work out like so she she got pretty

00:56:36.880 far she my my friend on the show almost proposed to her was like very very very close and that very

00:56:43.600 well could have happened like we were all that would have been interesting to reveal the the doors and

00:56:49.840 walk into a room where a girl that doesn't look fit doesn't look fit yeah you know i mean there's

00:56:56.880 people have types that yeah that that girl i know happens to do very well with men in in real in the

00:57:03.520 real world so it's interesting so you know everyone has their type you know um did did people try to

00:57:09.440 cancel you after the show i think i heard you say somewhere that you know you had a lot of issues with

00:57:13.840 the public generally speaking afterwards where they were they were trying to make your life miserable like did

00:57:18.320 they come at you at your at your work like what did they do when they tried to cancel you yeah um

00:57:24.160 yeah cancel culture is real i mean it's they were coming after me on online they're coming after my mom

00:57:31.840 online i'm dating a girl now and like she it's gotten better now but she was getting tons of hateful messages

00:57:39.280 and it's from men or for women uh you know from mostly women it's mostly women there were men though

00:57:48.800 too there were definitely men though too um i would say as far as like positive messages it was

00:57:58.880 actually more of like an even split men and women but for the hateful messages a lot more women than men

00:58:04.320 yeah yeah women women hate other women more than men do i think especially if they're doing better

00:58:09.600 than them yeah i mean i mean hate other women they were hating on me they were sending mean stuff to my

00:58:16.080 mom um i as far as my work goes i i did my best to kind of like remove myself from the website and

00:58:25.840 everything else it never got too too bad at my work thankfully i mean as a professional you know i

00:58:32.800 i think they respect that what i'm doing is you know different than who i'm on tv however

00:58:40.240 people in the comments they would say stuff like i would never bring my dog to him blah blah blah blah

00:58:47.200 or like or worse or worse um did you ever lose any customers as a result

00:58:53.600 maybe you know but you know it's possible that's nobody like flat out like sent you an email and said

00:58:58.880 shake this is what i think of you on the show and you're such a bad guy blah blah blah i'm never

00:59:02.480 bringing my puppy to you ever again no nothing like that but but i will say you know who i was

00:59:09.760 made out to be um to these people i i don't know how things kind of you know it's like a game of

00:59:17.280 telephone right like you hear something you tell somebody and then they tell somebody else but like

00:59:22.880 i don't know how it got to the point it did where like people are saying like this is the biggest

00:59:26.880 bigot um you know degrading blah blah blah blah blah because i'll go back and watch the show and i'm

00:59:33.440 like when when did i really say anything all that bad like show me a quote where i was that bad what i

00:59:40.080 can show you is literally any comment that you know any comment is like 10 times worse than anything i did

00:59:49.360 or said you know like the the sort of hateful things that people say to me or send to me

00:59:56.400 so much worse so much worse than anything i ever said so i don't know how that happened like i really

01:00:02.080 don't understand it yeah people uh yeah it's you know it's strange right because i mean like you just

01:00:08.400 express preferences which is all that i really saw was a guy that actually had a backbone to stand up and

01:00:13.520 say i like pretty girls i like girls that i can pick up and put up my shoulder i like blondes you

01:00:18.160 know it's you know sort of thing like what's wrong with expressing a preference but i think what the

01:00:22.960 problem is today is because we have this everybody's a fucking hero now right like you know the guy that's

01:00:29.680 like you know 150 pounds overweight it's like oh well you're a hero for being so strong and brave or

01:00:36.000 um there's this um uh there's this plus size model her name is tess tess holiday and she's so

01:00:42.960 strong and brave today she's about 400 pounds from what i can tell you know from the pictures but

01:00:47.200 she's but she's strong and brave today because she's talking about her battle with anorexia right

01:00:52.240 and it's like you know they put her on magazine covers like they put her on the cover of cosmopolitan

01:00:56.720 and it's like this acceptance movement to mediocrity is um you know like it's ingrained in the fiber

01:01:03.760 of society now is what i'm seeing and it's like you know a guy like shake who shows up on the on the

01:01:08.800 show and he's just like i like pretty girls i like fit girls you know sort of thing and it's like

01:01:13.760 holy shit internet blows up right yeah you're on the wrong show shake you're on the wrong show um

01:01:20.880 i wish you would have called out nick when you had the opportunity there um but i guess you know

01:01:25.440 hindsight's always 20 20 when you when you think back on those things i would have loved to have

01:01:30.880 called him out like there's so much stuff i could have said it's just i i guess i in in the moment i

01:01:37.280 didn't know it was gonna get as bad as it got now that i know that it like got that bad i'm like okay

01:01:43.680 i could have gone back and like i may as well have just taken advantage of that opportunity and gone

01:01:47.760 off but yeah one of the um one of the pillars of attraction is status like we know women are

01:01:54.880 attracted to guys that have status i mean your your social media falling i'm sure blew up you know

01:02:00.720 on instagram and stuff like that um how has life changed for you after the fact now that you've

01:02:05.760 become recognizable and popular like i'm sure i'm sure there's been times where you've been out with

01:02:10.960 your girlfriend or on a date and it's like a random will just like see you and be like oh my god it's

01:02:15.520 shake and i what did it and they you know like like basically pile all over you and they put you up on

01:02:20.640 a pedestal how did all of that change your life after the fact um it's been awesome i mean i i enjoy it

01:02:29.040 i mean i don't think everybody enjoys it but i am a friendly outgoing person i always have been

01:02:36.400 and all the hate is online all the love is in real life you know like i haven't met anybody

01:02:42.400 in in real life who's like fuck you dude like no they're like hey man i agreed with you blah blah

01:02:47.840 blah like i totally get it blah blah blah blah all this stuff and it's been awesome and and you know

01:02:53.440 like you were saying going out and having someone come up to me it's every single time i go out you

01:02:58.400 know um and so my girlfriend lives in miami i'm kind of like moving my way down there now too because

01:03:05.200 chicago is kind of cold for me and you know i'm kind of taking this new fresh start down there um

01:03:11.200 down there it's even more people that seem to like me like i cannot go anywhere without being stopped and

01:03:16.720 i think she i don't know i mean she doesn't seem to mind it at all i mean like she's kind of you

01:03:23.520 know we kind of have the same mindset it's like hey let's kind of like you know use this for good

01:03:28.400 you know kind of like make sure we make the most of it um i think it is exciting for people to meet

01:03:36.400 me and realize that i'm a nice friendly guy and like i'm gonna try and add something positive to

01:03:41.360 anybody i meet but but overall it's good man i mean yeah it's just very interesting that it's just

01:03:48.160 so easy to hate from behind your keyboard and it's just it's just easy to pile on but i like to say

01:03:56.480 it's like okay like for all the hate i'm getting online i'm i'm winning in real life you know um i've

01:04:03.120 been djing for like five six years just just totally for fun and like now i get to do that at a bigger

01:04:08.080 scale and like have more fun doing that and see more success with that um it it's it's been all

01:04:15.200 good for me in that regard have you found that you've been able to book more gigs just as a result

01:04:19.120 of the tv show hey we got shake uh spinning tonight from love is blind yeah it's kind of it's kind of

01:04:24.320 worked out that way yeah i mean you know i'm not i'm trying not to like abuse that i guess but um

01:04:31.040 hey may as well have fun with it while i can yeah you might as well man um you're working on a

01:04:36.640 podcast now love is blurry so i had to change it to life is blurry because i said love is blurry on

01:04:43.840 the show and yeah and that's like a whole copyright thing um but life is blurry is is supposed to just

01:04:51.040 shed light on traditionally blurry topics or just controversial topics you know um like like sex work

01:04:59.360 like cancel culture modern dating is as blurry as hell right so i've had a few different guests come

01:05:05.840 on and and provide their unique input um i'd love to have you on too sometime if you're willing just

01:05:11.840 because you know um we see eye to eye on a lot of things and um i know i know your approach

01:05:19.920 your approach to dating and approach to life you know it makes sense for a lot of people and um i think

01:05:25.760 people need to kind of hear that you know what the media puts out on on netflix and on tlc is is not

01:05:34.720 real it's like a very romanticized version and it's like a very female friendly version you know and and

01:05:41.680 the interesting thing is i mean a lot of the the things that we romanticize and show on these tv shows

01:05:49.760 it's what i feel it's what i feel women think they want but if that's what they get in real life

01:05:56.000 that's not what they want you know they they want somebody to take charge and like kind of handle

01:06:00.960 things yep they you know that whole i just you know women will go and cry on the shoulder of the

01:06:08.320 nice guy and then go go off and fuck mr exciting that doesn't call her back the next day right so it's

01:06:13.920 like you know there's a big discrepancy between what what women say they want and what they actually

01:06:19.280 want and what they respond to um and that's what i've spent a lot of the time over the last couple

01:06:25.120 years talking about on my show i mean you guys that are watching right now that have been watching

01:06:29.440 my channel for ages already know that um i think that you were like you know i think it's interesting

01:06:36.560 because what i saw when i was watching the show and especially at that reunion special and i did

01:06:42.400 watch a couple of interviews that you did on youtube afterwards um you know with some other

01:06:46.560 podcasts privately and like you know with some of the larger media companies i saw this guy that

01:06:51.120 basically went on a show thinking that you know he wanted to try it out to see what would come up of

01:06:57.760 it but kind of got red-pilled in the process because there was a bunch of lies that you believe that you

01:07:03.600 found out weren't wasn't part of like you know your reality and when you express that people got very

01:07:10.560 upset and they don't want you to talk about those things and it's like and that's fine um you know

01:07:16.960 actually you know the fewer people that understand these concepts and apply them to life uh the better

01:07:22.160 off they you know they do on their own we don't we don't need the world to unplug from comforting

01:07:27.280 lies in fact i think it's it's easier for those that are unplugged to let them sleepwalk through life

01:07:33.040 and uh it's like you know well we're like we're the ones that get it and you guys don't get it and that's

01:07:38.560 totally fine yeah no what well said i mean i think i was like maybe half plugged in half out you know

01:07:45.440 when i went on that show and then that experience like it forced me to unplug completely just as like

01:07:52.400 kind of saw the hypocrisy around me and then you know especially at the end there where it it essentially

01:07:59.040 turned into if you don't believe in this kind of like bullshit thing that happened like if you don't

01:08:06.000 think that this is the way love is then you're wrong and that's when i really have to just put

01:08:11.280 my foot down i'm like that's bullshit like that's completely bullshit like you you're gonna hate on me

01:08:15.360 because i'm shedding light on the obvious glaring issues with this experiment and even though you call

01:08:25.280 it an experiment you you want to force feed this and i'm not gonna let that happen good good for you

01:08:32.400 man anyway um it's been a blast thanks for uh hopping on where do you want to send people to um

01:08:39.200 consume like any of your stuff like you want to send them to the podcast or

01:08:42.800 no my my instagram is at the puppy doc and um you'll you'll see links there to get to the podcast

01:08:48.560 and everything else um the podcast is life is that blurry but like i said you can find that for my main

01:08:55.200 insta and um yeah send me a dm if you have any questions uh you know i do my best to get back to

01:09:01.520 everybody and uh you know you'll see that i'm an open book i'm a i'm a friendly guy uh don't believe

01:09:08.240 everything you see on tv cool appreciate it man don't go anywhere just yet i'm just gonna wrap up

01:09:12.720 the show and we'll talk privately for a minute

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Playing to Win - May 02, 2022

065 - Shake From ’Love is Blind’ (Skip to 19_28 For Shake)

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