Playing to Win - 077 - Vigorous Steve & Male Optimization (Liver King, Sex, Muscles & Life)

00:00:00.000 all right guys what's up we're uh back for another podcast episode playing to win number 77 today

00:00:06.180 vigorous steve joins me what is up steve i'm very good how are you it's been over a year right

00:00:11.980 it's been over a year since we connected last time doing a podcast and uh i've really enjoyed

00:00:19.100 your videos over the years uh you know we you know we talked the last uh you know hour hour

00:00:24.440 and a half that we did and i kind of wanted to catch up and there was an interesting thing that

00:00:28.540 happened last month with liverking that i kind of want to start off with but if you guys don't know

00:00:32.560 who steve is you should definitely check out his his channel uh his channel is hyperlinked in the

00:00:37.940 title of the video you're going to see why as you kind of watch this you know as we get into but

00:00:41.960 let's sort of start off with the liverking thing because um back in december uh derek from more

00:00:48.240 plates more dates put out a pretty compelling video and i i kind of figured out pretty quickly

00:00:54.060 and i saw that the reddit threads do as well and you were like the source of the original email

00:00:58.420 when he was he was basically trying to connect with somebody to sort of help him grow his business

00:01:04.300 like he made it very very clear in the email that he wanted to blow up his business and get lots of

00:01:09.360 views and he needed to sort of like have the look as well which is what he sort of developed with his

00:01:14.140 physique but he lied about his physique and and continuously when he was probed and asked that he was

00:01:19.260 always natural um when did he hit you up with that email by the way so that was about one and a half

00:01:25.280 years ago i think it was the second or third email that we had because we had a consultation prior

00:01:29.640 and um during that consultation he basically portrayed himself as a very successful guy you

00:01:35.900 know usually a guy that i prefer to work with at that time for coaching so that was one of the last

00:01:40.900 clients i actually accepted as a coaching client um then it took a little while for us to get started

00:01:47.560 because he was busy and i'm quite busy at that time also and then i sent him a questionnaire that

00:01:52.740 was i forget me if the dates are wrong i mean it's been such a long time i think it was like may

00:01:58.080 or april 2021 give or take and um he filled it out also that took a while and then we started working

00:02:07.620 together a couple weeks later and i saw a ton of red flags um so i decided to let him go

00:02:13.640 and then you know you see him get more popular and more popular basically everything that he said

00:02:18.540 that he wanted to do in that email he actually accomplished you know a million subscribers or

00:02:23.580 followers by may 2022 which was last year that's quite commendable but the way he did it um you know

00:02:31.280 was based on kind of a false premise yeah there's a lot of deception so like what were the red flags

00:02:37.540 early on for you when you sort of took them on you know for a consult so so i still don't want to go

00:02:41.760 too much in depth uh because there's a lot more to be said but it could just hurt the guy further

00:02:45.920 and the whole idea behind releasing these emails was for him to come clean and end the lie right so

00:02:50.960 he could give him a little bit of incentive to finally come clean and then you know address the

00:02:55.040 situation after lying through his teeth about that for one and a half years right to the audience so

00:03:01.120 i just saw a couple red flags and for people that coach or do mentorships that would say yeah yeah

00:03:07.760 yeah that you know okay so i decided to um when i took him on i figured you know what the blood work

00:03:14.760 okay it's not perfect but i think it can fix it right with time um you know the diets it's not perfect but

00:03:21.400 i feel i can you know show some improvements to make him healthier and um after two three weeks of

00:03:28.620 miscommunication and then him saying that he didn't want to make those changes or do further testing

00:03:33.300 regarding organ imaging or blood work you know i figured man i know exactly where this is going to

00:03:38.800 go i've coached bodybuilders for over a decade and when i see that the reluctancy to take care of your

00:03:45.020 health it's just not something that i enjoy working with you know so i refunded him now he says that i

00:03:51.680 didn't refund him which i'm not sure if that's a tactic to get me to release a paypal statement with

00:03:57.100 this full address because that's even worse than releasing emails it's basically doxing a guy

00:04:01.320 so i'm not sure if that's a tactic but i'm 100 sure that i refunded this guy um and otherwise i

00:04:07.680 wouldn't understand why somebody would wait one and a half years to bring that up i will why would

00:04:13.820 you yeah that must have been hard to sit on your fingers during that time like not saying anything

00:04:17.100 you know seeing him on on podcast saying oh yeah i'm totally maddie i've never touched the stuff

00:04:21.400 never would touch you know with the hand up in the air like this yeah right yeah so it was pretty

00:04:27.300 honestly it was painful right and the position the guy wanted to put me and basically

00:04:30.980 he wanted to keep me you know in the background which i don't mind i shadow coach people and help

00:04:36.640 people that are known or or compete at the world championships with their subject drug testing i

00:04:41.760 help them beat the drug sets and everything but those guys don't go around pretending to be natural

00:04:46.460 and and sell um image yeah supplements that are that are you know an image that is unobtainable

00:04:54.820 without just take this capsule of like a beef liver or something and you'll look like me is

00:04:58.820 basically what he's you know purporting yeah basically yeah so those those guys that i help

00:05:04.520 um they don't have to worry about anything because they're not disingenuous but this guy you know he

00:05:10.380 goes on a mark bell podcast and he you know for hours tries to convince him that he's natural to the

00:05:15.640 point mark bell actually believed in and i felt bad for the guy i'm like i can't believe this you know

00:05:21.680 so so derek got some evidence and i got some evidence we talked about this for quite some time

00:05:27.440 and after a while i just had enough i'm just like you know what this this needs to end give this guy

00:05:33.380 an opportunity to come clean um and then get started on the documentary so i gave him permission to use

00:05:39.060 those emails in a redacted form and those are two emails out of and 25 000 if not more that i've

00:05:45.080 received over the last 10 15 years that i've been trying to help people um so a lot of people went

00:05:50.240 quite quite hard on me right for the last month six weeks that oh you should never release those

00:05:55.880 emails and you know for the other you know hundreds of people that i've helped that would never happen

00:06:02.140 because they were not disingenuous so people say that i'm a leaker and a snitch and a rat and this

00:06:08.340 and that but somebody has to be the whistleblower in this case and i was part of it uh but of course

00:06:15.720 as the former coach for two three weeks you're the one that gets the most fire out of it so anyway

00:06:21.340 i gave i gave derek permission to release it and then well people knew within four to five days

00:06:26.740 that uh it was my email yeah it's amazing how people like like over invest in like these ideas

00:06:33.820 and these emotions and these ego investments like how could you betray somebody like like the guy's a 0.98

00:06:38.600 piece of shit like he like it's it's i mean it was clear to me from the get-go people ask me 0.99

00:06:43.260 you know when he started to rise in fame when i was doing q and a's or podcasts like every once in 1.00

00:06:48.680 a while somebody would call him call him be like you know what do you think of this liverking guy

00:06:51.520 you know i think he's natty and i'd look at him i'd be like are you kidding me like the vascularity

00:06:55.820 the size of the veins are like ropes going down his arms he's huge you know for like in your 40s 0.95

00:07:01.060 it's impossible for your nuts to produce that that amount of testosterone like you'd have to be

00:07:05.160 i've never seen it in my life and i've seen some very good drug-free athletes

00:07:09.180 some phenomenal drug-free athletes who didn't even look close to him so everybody in the

00:07:14.460 bodybuilding community everybody with a brain knew everybody with a brain knew um so what i

00:07:20.700 realized now is that basically i tried to better the the well the well-being of the general population

00:07:26.820 and um are you still there okay yeah okay so i i tried to basically better the well-being of the

00:07:35.960 general population to make them understand that this is not possible without steroids and the guys

00:07:41.120 lying to you guys and it was exactly the general population that hated me for it but it was the

00:07:46.740 bodybuilding community and the people that you know knew exactly what was going on that understood you

00:07:51.300 know what this is just another charlatan that's going to come rise and fall within one or two years

00:07:56.440 and that's part of the fitness industry right you know so it was yeah it was a very particular

00:08:01.060 situation i thought about it very very long and carefully for over a year and at one point i just

00:08:07.540 saw that the guy tried to undo a lot of our hard work you know to educate men on what you should do 0.99

00:08:14.280 and that's being healthy and and doing your blood work and brushing your teeth and wiping your ass 0.89

00:08:20.040 um yeah so um you know whatever happened to the blood labs there was there was indication in 0.97

00:08:27.120 derek's video that um there was more coming with blood labs so i they had a conversation

00:08:33.000 and uh on request that blood work will not be released for now yeah so that was a friendly

00:08:40.760 conversation um and then he still shitted on me but i i understand you know it's okay um 0.75

00:08:48.500 i made it i made a redact uh redaction on my statement right because i wanted to wait what

00:08:55.500 his statement was going to be and then when i watched his statement i'm like dude i should

00:09:00.600 have released this like over a year ago when he just got started with this nonsense um you know

00:09:06.140 then it would have saved a lot of people a lot of heartache now uh but yeah i mean you know as a

00:09:11.400 former coach you feel a little bit conflicted about it so when i started apology video i made my statement

00:09:17.680 but then based on the discussion he and derek had it was a friendly discussion as far as i know

00:09:24.020 i redacted another 10 to 12 minutes um not to aggravate the situation any further

00:09:29.580 um just to make people understand why i did what i did and uh yeah that video went quite viral

00:09:38.140 for my channel 150 000 views um and that was the end of it then it went on holiday and then i

00:09:46.060 you know i was wondering if i was going to meet the guy at the mr olympia or not but he didn't show

00:09:50.720 up and nobody actually nobody did yeah i don't know i mean usually when this kind of like for our

00:09:55.920 generation if if there's drama you you would like to have a conversation right yeah um or maybe i don't

00:10:04.980 know yeah you know there's a lot of deception in the world today right like there's a lot of things

00:10:09.060 going on behind the scenes i see it with a lot of conversations i have i know guys in your space like

00:10:14.740 the bio bro sort of space you know see yeah people you know holding out claims whether it's

00:10:19.800 take this and you'll grow muscle rub this on your like head and you'll grow hair you know take this 1.00

00:10:26.520 cream and rub it on your johnson and your you know your dick i did make a video about that yeah but i 1.00

00:10:31.660 haven't had an opportunity to try that unfortunately 1.00

00:10:34.760 like legitimately guys if you have a male performance enhancement sexual enhancement

00:10:42.880 uh muscular you know development sort of question on anything just type it in you know youtube and

00:10:48.900 then put vigorous steve after it i guarantee he's got a video on something out there yeah he's pumped

00:10:53.000 out a lot of content how did you how did you become an expert in this space like like where did you get

00:10:58.120 all this knowledge from because i mean you derek uh even leo you know like i used to like watching

00:11:04.600 the bio bro you know like trio that you guys used to do why'd you stop doing them by the way um

00:11:09.820 time no uh leo had uh some personal issues that he needed to resolve yeah and um i haven't talked to

00:11:20.200 leo since not really but i have great news the bio bros under another name super physiological man

00:11:28.680 podcast will return this weekend cool but that is going to be me derek and another person okay yeah

00:11:36.880 he stopped he stopped casting on his um channel uh several months ago i've seen him on tony huge and

00:11:42.020 they've had some interesting conversation um cool so um yeah so how did you gain all this knowledge

00:11:47.820 like is this just like years of doing work on yourself like why was yeah just just years of

00:11:53.020 trying to piece it together because when i started you know my fitness and bodybuilding journey at the

00:11:57.200 age of 15 um i found that the information presented whether that was the muscle magazines or the internet

00:12:04.160 or people in the gym was kind of like either half truths or wrong so i figured you know if i can't read

00:12:11.440 the magazines and i get truthful information then i go to the websites the forums where people have open

00:12:16.980 discussion but you start to do the research and you realize that they're you know kind of full of 0.96

00:12:21.240 ass also then i figured out okay i better just do it myself and that means hours and hours years and 0.94

00:12:27.600 years of research and now with with some good understanding of biology human male biology and

00:12:34.400 the clinical evidence and running all these weird experiments on myself before i even recommend that

00:12:38.920 to other people um yeah then you gain a decent amount of knowledge um so now it's been 25 years of doing

00:12:44.460 that and i i know exactly what works and what doesn't even though the scientific evidence might

00:12:49.220 not always support it um now because scientific evidence is valid up until today might be disproven

00:12:55.440 tomorrow and um you know experiments that i've run on myself and clients that are willing to do that

00:13:02.060 they uh they can show that you know particular practices still work you know to keep them healthy to

00:13:07.900 get better results with less um of course it turns into a full-time job if you really want to

00:13:12.720 get great results without putting your health in jeopardy that's why there's always such a you know

00:13:18.340 discrepancy between the bodybuilders and general population that just take peds recreational yeah

00:13:23.700 that's the that's the sweet spot you know you you know you really hit it with you know for you to

00:13:28.360 manage optimal performance and health um especially as you get older it it does become a full-time job

00:13:35.580 like i was thinking about this the other day i was you know i was thinking how much money and time

00:13:39.400 do i spend every week on training boxing supplements um you know prescriptions that i got to take

00:13:48.720 treatment yeah iv treatment sticking to the routine it's a lot like you know real real quick i you know

00:13:56.720 have a personal trainer now that i deal with twice a week he's a former bodybuilder used to coach um

00:14:02.340 not coach but um uh rate or grade you know bodybuilders on stage and i was a judge yeah judge

00:14:11.380 and you know like he was the kind of guy that's like okay you know before we get started because

00:14:15.080 i'm like i just want to balance myself out right he goes okay so you know before we get started just 0.97

00:14:19.120 you know strip down your boxes all right so you're standing there's like all right your rear delts suck 0.99

00:14:23.100 your hamstrings are fucking pathetic your calves need work but i think we can fix all this right 0.99

00:14:27.900 yeah so i'm like yeah that's what i need like i need that guy i don't want to you know like 0.99

00:14:31.820 so there's that then i do boxing twice a week and i learned that boxing is counterintuitive just

00:14:36.580 building strength and muscle because he's saying you know if i'm going to build your legs you can't be

00:14:41.420 walking 10 000 20 000 you know steps per day you have to cut that back right i'm like okay so that's

00:14:47.000 interesting i didn't know that either and then you have to deal with you know weekly iv treatments

00:14:50.980 because now i'm doing an iv bag every friday with glutathione then i alternate that with phosphocholine

00:14:55.920 what's that yeah well what is in your iv bag because i just started this about a year ago and

00:15:00.900 i'm fascinated i want people to take yeah mine's yeah mine's um a mixture of vitamins so uh b vitamin

00:15:08.420 c vitamins um you know like a cocktail of that then it's a cocktail of some amino acids so muscle

00:15:14.860 building aminos uh nitric oxide boosting like l-arginine l-citrulline uh counters it with some

00:15:21.900 immune health stuff like l-lysine you know so there's this whole cocktail of like aminos and

00:15:26.720 they squirt in the bag the glutathione so that's one week and then the alternating week i do um

00:15:31.380 uh phosphocholine which is really good for you know cleaning up um heavy metals in your body

00:15:38.140 cleaning out um you know things that are in your arteries blockages fats whatever you know um so it

00:15:45.440 has a lot of enhancements on cardiovascular health sexual performance all that sort of stuff right so

00:15:49.480 that's a lot and then you have to deal with the the diet because sugar tastes good right yeah i know

00:15:56.460 we all know that carbs taste good weeks of sugar america yeah and you know when you're 25 you can

00:16:03.180 get away with smoking a big fat joint eating a bag of doritos smashing it back with a protein shake

00:16:08.240 and wake up in the morning and look ripped every day but when you get older you really have to pay

00:16:13.360 attention to your diet right you have to pay attention to carbs you have to take everything i think as

00:16:17.680 entrepreneurs you're kind of cursed in that way because you're just so busy grinding that you're

00:16:21.620 actually sitting in the same spot that's the other 10 hours 12 hours per day whereas when you were dead

00:16:26.920 broke teenager or 20 year olds you walked everywhere so you got your steps in and i think that was part 0.77

00:16:32.840 of the reason why i stayed so lean i don't know how how financially secure you were when you were 20

00:16:38.620 but i broke not so much yeah i was broke right so so you walk to the bus right you take public

00:16:43.960 transportation you walk here you walk there you go to university you walk around there all day

00:16:47.720 and that that helps to keep you lean you can eat pizza every day and it's fine 0.98

00:16:51.920 yeah you sit on your your butt every day you know trying to work and grow your business 0.99

00:16:56.580 yeah my diet back then was oh shit you know mcdonald's has uh what do they have yeah 1.00

00:17:01.800 have bacon cheeseburgers on sale right five or six bacon cheeseburgers and just smash those back 0.99

00:17:10.260 right and you still look good like you know you could still manage your body would still manage

00:17:14.880 to process it and turn it into muscle it didn't matter when you're young but when you get older

00:17:18.760 it's a lot like like you said the older you get it becomes more of a full-time job like the amount

00:17:23.620 of time and money that i because i want to represent masculinity and strength when i'm talking to 0.97

00:17:29.720 guys like i tell guys do the fucking work pick up heavy shit learn how to fight i would be a 0.99

00:17:34.020 hypocrite if i didn't do the work myself right you know i tell guys you know manage your blood labs 1.00

00:17:39.160 that's the other thing too managing your blood labs i mean i get my blood pulled every three you know 0.95

00:17:43.200 three and a half months you look at guys right yeah i do it all the time i mean i put mine every

00:17:48.400 month because in thailand monthly every day yeah i can do it monthly if i want wow because i run the

00:17:53.300 experiments you know and i i like to stay on top of my health and i've you know i've made plenty of

00:17:58.140 mistakes regarding peds in the past yeah so i just got to stay on top of my shit and um you know 0.68

00:18:04.940 yeah if people need help with blood work analysis yeah i'm always available for consultations

00:18:09.620 it's it's amazing how your body changes too because it's like yeah you know one of the things i learned

00:18:16.540 over the last few years watching your videos and the other guys that you've worked with in the past as

00:18:20.500 well is that um kidneys are very sensitive to androgens you know especially um and kidneys

00:18:27.600 seem to be the first thing that go when you're lifting heavy weight stress in your body you consume

00:18:33.380 a lot of protein and you take um androgens like you know even even therapeutic testosterone at those

00:18:39.140 levels you know you really have to be mindful so i mean if you're taking peds or if you're on trt and

00:18:44.520 you're not managing your blood properly you could really end up in a situation where your organ health

00:18:49.400 suffers and like you see guys die very quickly you know when it gets in there so when you're when

00:18:54.620 your kidneys fail the heart fails and liver fills quite rapidly after that right and people always

00:19:00.280 blame particular steroids like bolded on is kidney toxic or trimble on is kidney toxic or deanna bold is 0.95

00:19:05.120 kidney toxic the only reason why they mention those compounds is because the studies have been performed

00:19:10.220 but when you look at the steroid family as a whole you can't really find studies performed on primabolin

00:19:16.420 or mastron or other peds regarding kidney health what we do know is that kidney disease is more prominent

00:19:23.680 in men because androgens including testosterone are not so good for kidney health that's why naturally

00:19:30.800 your testosterone levels decline and that's why what you see with pets for example i just got six cats

00:19:36.980 so i really started hammering into the pets you see that with cats and dogs when they get neutered

00:19:42.680 castrated they have less instance of kidney disease less less issues regarding that so as a bodybuilder or

00:19:51.740 even somebody on trt you're basically actively trying to damage your kidneys even by staying on trt even

00:19:57.940 though the quality of life improves substantially right trt is great great for business great for

00:20:04.220 productivity great to keep your libido at older age man this there's a million benefits of trt but

00:20:09.760 you really need to manage your blood pressure because even keeping these testosterone levels at

00:20:14.400 you know higher levels than you would produce naturally might be you know not so good for your kidney

00:20:19.740 health now again long-term data regarding trt and kidney health i wasn't really able to piece that

00:20:25.260 together you know conclusively um but yeah i think anybody on trt or men in general blood pressure

00:20:32.980 management is the lowest hanging fruit you can pay attention to more important than hair loss more

00:20:38.620 important than libido issues more important than gyno or acne blood pressure management that's the most

00:20:45.400 important thing any man can look at you can do it you can do it with cardio you can do it with supplements

00:20:50.020 you can do it with your diet you can do it by de-stressing which is probably the hardest and then there's

00:20:56.280 medication to manage that and whether that's cialis you know or or telmosartan and angiotensin receptor

00:21:01.780 blocker i mean there's so many methods to control your blood pressure so anybody that walks around

00:21:05.760 with high blood pressure now unless it's hereditary and even then it's addressable i don't i don't see

00:21:11.820 a reason why you know unless you're morbidly obese and the fat is kind of compressing your veins you

00:21:17.280 know that's also a reason for high blood pressure or sleep sleep apnea so i think blood pressure if you

00:21:23.180 can address that you're already light years ahead yeah there was a there was an interesting video i saw

00:21:30.280 somewhere i can't remember who who did it to offer the credit but um i think the longest known study

00:21:37.800 they've ever done on androgens and kidney health was kind of accidental there was some uh i think

00:21:44.100 they were korean monks and okay and it was a time where they would uh castrate them right so they 1.00

00:21:49.940 basically yeah yeah and i think they found that the that the korean monks that were eunuchs basically

00:21:56.660 lived something like 30 or 35 percent longer than the general population because they didn't have

00:22:02.940 their nuts and because you know you don't have nuts you don't have testosterone and antigens which

00:22:07.000 improves your kidney health but but i think the you know the question really is is okay you know

00:22:12.940 maybe you can live 35 percent longer as a eunuch but why would you want to like the entire point

00:22:18.900 we have 50 50 quality of life yeah like i would like i would rather knock a few years off the end

00:22:25.400 and live better you know during my prime years and live an extra like 35 longer to like 110 or

00:22:32.960 something like that with no johnson you know what i mean so what i would say is if you if you decide to

00:22:38.400 go this route trt trt plus or t3 plus plus plus plus plus which is usually what it ends up anyway

00:22:43.560 i had a little bit of this a little bit of that you're just let's say you live 100 years and you

00:22:48.460 compress that into 75 years of a higher quality that's that's how i looked at it so you actively

00:22:55.640 make your life shorter but the quality of your life during the shorter time is substantially higher

00:23:00.860 than anybody else and i would not trade that for the world yeah now will i will i regret it at 75

00:23:06.440 years old and you know the clock is ticking on me who knows you know but at least i can look back on

00:23:13.020 a great time how how how reasonable or or how easy is it for a guy to optimize his health in his 40s

00:23:21.740 and 50s because you're about 40 right yeah i just turned 39 so 40 this year yeah yeah okay so i got

00:23:27.540 about so yeah i've been investing since 15 years old i've been doing the diet and the trading and and

00:23:33.820 and then i was drug free for 10 years and then 26 i started getting my hands dirty with peds

00:23:37.980 um so i'm not i'm not really the you know the most accurate 40 year olds because when i look back on my

00:23:44.400 classmates that are now 40 oh oh man those guys are those guys look 55 yeah yeah most most most of the

00:23:55.700 guys that i can go back and look at on you know from high school on facebook you know because that's

00:24:01.220 that's what happened with facebook all all classmates from high school you you kind of

00:24:05.460 friend each other and you're like oh and you kind of like you're like what the hell happened to you

00:24:10.200 dude like you know or what happened to her oh my god look at the state of her like she was hot and 1.00

00:24:15.820 now like so how so how easy or or how difficult is it for you to manage optimal health and a masculine

00:24:24.880 strong frame while making sure you're not damaging your body prematurely

00:24:30.220 again it's it's a full-time job but if you've been doing for a long time then it's just your

00:24:37.560 standards of living so i've always cooked my own food and i've always gone to the gym and i've always

00:24:43.460 done my blood work and and and well for the last what is it 15 years i've taken some peds right to

00:24:49.280 manage my my physique and my health at the same time so for me it's just easy because i i don't

00:24:55.020 know any different but if you're just getting started man it's just a shift if you come from

00:24:59.660 general population and you've been eating mcdonald's since high school right like we talked about you

00:25:04.660 continue that lifestyle and now you're a fat mess yeah that switch is going to be rough right and you 0.66

00:25:10.780 don't even deserve trt because you're so unhealthy that you need to fix your health first because 0.87

00:25:15.440 otherwise your blood pressure is just going to go up and you get all these side effects so i think

00:25:19.460 it's just a slow transition to wherever you start from now you know you start to learn how to love

00:25:25.480 training and then you learn how to love nutrition and then you learn how to love all the health

00:25:30.780 screening and stuff and then once you got that in order okay take a little bit of peds if your blood

00:25:35.500 work shows that your testosterone is low and your blood pressure needs more management and and then

00:25:40.280 maybe later on you like a little bit of a mastron or primo or anovar or gh and iv treatment on top

00:25:45.800 um i think you should set two hours per day aside for that which is a lot but that includes the

00:25:52.860 training and that maybe three hours the training and the and the diet and you know doing a couple

00:25:58.220 injections if you do so desire and taking some supplements i don't think if you if you invest

00:26:03.800 into your physique you can make it last such a long time which you know a lot of people don't do

00:26:10.220 that yeah i was gonna ask so what's your go-to foundationals for supplements and uh prescriptions

00:26:18.840 and drugs that you pretty much always use because i know that you kind of like move in and out of

00:26:24.320 certain things you talk about on your channel i want to fix my fatty liver disease or i want to fix

00:26:29.440 you know this sort of thing or i'm going to take this out of my diet for a little while or

00:26:32.440 or take these out of my regime what's your like go-to sort of mandatory baseline you know

00:26:38.300 foundationals right now for supplementation drugs and prescriptions yeah so that that changed so much

00:26:43.540 as i get older because if you ask the 25 or 30 year old me i would you know lay out a hefty cycle

00:26:49.300 and say this is my base this is what i'm going to do because i want to be jacked and now that i'm 40

00:26:54.140 i mean we're going to aim for kids this year um so my cycle is going to be very simple it's just going

00:27:00.260 to be fertility medications and acg and hmg and if if that doesn't work then i'll go with

00:27:09.100 recombinant follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone it's a little bit more expensive

00:27:13.120 um so my my protocol kind of changes all the time i think the foundation should be diet and exercise

00:27:19.700 as boring and annoying as it sounds right it's a also the body but the training and nutrition you

00:27:25.880 have to you know but it is true that's the foundation of it then as you look at your training

00:27:31.140 you can see if you need some supplements for that whether that's creatine or citrulline you know

00:27:36.780 no not anymore but my my my being huge aspirations are over over yeah do you think that creatine is

00:27:45.040 damaging to your organs like your kidneys or is it safe no no you just need to stay hydrated

00:27:49.500 because the the old school mentality is that your creatinine levels are a good indication of kidney

00:27:56.020 health which is a very poor indication of kidney health creatinine is just a metabolic byproduct of

00:28:01.620 protein metabolism in the muscle so if you have more muscle you're more physically active you'll have

00:28:07.380 more creatinine and if you take creatine monohydrate or another creatine on top your serum

00:28:12.160 creatinine levels are going to be higher and if you're worried about your creatinine do a 24-hour

00:28:16.660 urine collection test get an actual glomerular filtration rate tested not the e not estimated

00:28:23.040 gfr a true gfr with a 24-hour urine collection test and then you'll see that your gfr is like 170

00:28:31.400 even though your serum creatinine levels is very high and the e-gfr is 70 but your real gfr based on

00:28:38.420 your urine is way higher than 100 so let's use look yeah oh sorry go ahead finish yeah finish yeah

00:28:45.500 yeah so so if you want an indication of kidney health look into cyst that and see that's kind

00:28:50.640 of the goal that's the one i use yeah yeah so that's you know finally people are that's finally

00:28:55.180 catching on because i've been using that one for years you'd be surprised there's very few labs that do

00:29:00.200 it here steve like like i know for me to get my mind done they'll they'll pull the blood here

00:29:05.980 none of the technicians know about it like i brought it up and they're like what's it called

00:29:10.320 how do you spell it and then you know a supervisor comes in what's it called how do you spell it and

00:29:15.540 they find it somewhere in some sub manual and then they send the sample down to california which is

00:29:20.380 where they measure it and they send the numbers back from there right yeah yeah no it's it's very

00:29:24.900 frustrating when you realize that you know way more than the medical professionals that you have to

00:29:29.220 deal with to keep you healthy preventatively because preventative health doesn't exist

00:29:34.140 you only have reactionary health yeah and you get yourself sick okay now you go do chemo and you

00:29:40.320 get yourself sick okay now we cut out your prostate you really have to take ownership for this yourself 0.90

00:29:44.640 like you can't rely on the medical community because it's more sick care it's more just just just keep

00:29:49.460 you healthy enough that you're not dead and not sick enough that you're in the hospital and by the

00:29:53.920 way take all of these you know 72 pills that you need every day exactly yeah all the medications with

00:29:58.660 when you start you start reaching the medication you're like man this is some serious stuff and

00:30:05.100 they forgo all the drug interaction so let's not even go there so i think if you're 40 years old and

00:30:10.940 you're you know regardless of age if you really invest into your health and you get educated on the

00:30:16.880 subject of health man you can you can improve the quality of your life so much but just like a

00:30:22.420 regular job or a relationship or owning a car owning a car takes time right you need to drive

00:30:29.040 it maintenance and and you know the car in the human body analogy is always valid treat your body

00:30:34.780 better than your car you know people understand the need no unfortunately not you need to clean your

00:30:40.260 car you need to wax it you need to make sure you have the proper tires you know the engine needs to

00:30:44.960 be sustained and then people know all about this but then you ask them about their organ health and

00:30:49.540 they're like i don't know you know they have these uh tests for cars it's called blackstone labs and

00:31:00.020 i've used them before great company and what you do is you send them in a sample of your oil

00:31:04.060 and then they measure the oil for things like copper which might come off the piston rings or seals

00:31:09.960 you know but various other metals parts per million and then they send you a lab back and they say you

00:31:15.340 know oh wow yeah from all of the cars that we've measured the oil on that's something like like the

00:31:20.460 last car i did on it was a bmw m5 they're like you know this is the average and then this is where

00:31:24.860 you are so you kind of have an idea based on the mileage how much wear and tear is happening on the

00:31:29.040 engine and a lot of guys in the car community will get geeky and really you know do stuff like that

00:31:33.440 to see you know how much longer their engine is going to last you know right stuff like that but guys

00:31:38.560 won't pull blood laps because it costs you money right like this is your body this is your own

00:31:44.180 blood like your blood's like oil in a car right but they won't spend the money or time on themselves

00:31:48.740 unbelievable right and it's the same people that really love their pets they they give their pets

00:31:54.540 like raw food they cook food for their pets they really treat them like kings and then they eat

00:31:59.020 ads for nmn for your pets like like pet chewables now yeah showing up in my feed and social media

00:32:05.300 oh that's crazy so so i hope that like in the end this is all you have right this body is all you

00:32:10.600 have yeah and if you treat it really well it lasts and it gives you such insane return of investment

00:32:18.280 like the roi that you get out of spending all the time in the gym and cooking and ivy bags etc

00:32:24.760 the roi that you get out of that is insane because i don't have any of the issues that most four-year-olds

00:32:31.500 face i don't have the libido issues i don't have the acne issues no no hair loss it's a self-induced

00:32:37.800 right i mean just more convenient and so all these all these gen pop 40 year old or 50 year olds that i

00:32:45.460 that i hear talk about their issues i have none of it because i invested such a long time and i i would

00:32:51.940 recommend everybody to do the same you know and if you're not financially secure instead of spending

00:32:57.780 money on cheap thrills you know going drinking and you know that kind of stuff um spend it on

00:33:04.280 yourself man on your body level that up first and then you'll see that everything in life will be 10

00:33:09.140 times easier you know um we got a little sidetracked there but you were talking about a lot of the drugs

00:33:14.360 and the prescriptions and supplements that you take so again like the baselines for everything

00:33:17.440 so so the baseline you're from on trt um you know personally i prefer trt around

00:33:23.760 you know 200 250 milligrams per milliliter it's a little bit higher than general trt but that's like

00:33:29.540 the the lowest i can get away with to sustain my size because keep in mind i used to be 260 pounds

00:33:35.600 now i'm about 230 so you know give her 230 is a lot of muscle how tall are you 0.99

00:33:40.940 uh 5'9 so that's 175 centimeters yeah yeah that's yeah that's a lot of muscle for your frame that's a

00:33:47.300 lot yeah yeah yeah that's it yeah you don't really see it on camera but every time i go to an event

00:33:51.700 people are shocked yeah like oh yeah i saw the pictures on your instagram you're a big dude like

00:33:56.500 you're a tank right yeah it doesn't translate well to camera but in real life if you meet me i'm

00:34:01.520 i'm bigger than you know most guys so that that basically you try to take the lowest dose of

00:34:07.540 testosterone you can get away with still having a good workout good libido good overall quality of

00:34:11.960 life whether it's 150 250 it's up to the audience right um personally i like a beta blocker

00:34:19.260 nabivalol over any other blood pressure medication so i would run telmosartan for example on a cycle

00:34:25.820 if my if i increase my testosterone to 500 and i throw some primo on top yes i would run an arb

00:34:31.520 angiotensin receptor blocker but now that i'm bringing blood pressure yeah so the

00:34:37.340 yeah telmosartan does bring down your blood pressure and then nabivalol also does the same

00:34:41.900 thing because it it blocks and activates certain receptors so it brings your heart rate down and it

00:34:48.600 also relaxes the vascular tour a vascular tour in your blood vessels right so that relaxes it and your

00:34:56.700 blood pressure goes down so you have with one drug you have two positive effects heart rate goes down

00:35:03.580 so now you're more leveled more composed which i found is very beneficial for entrepreneurship right

00:35:09.240 to make better decisions just to keep your heart rate down low stress right low sympathetic nervous

00:35:14.500 system drive um and then the blood pressure management is just good but i already take you

00:35:20.500 know my electrolyte balance is perfectly managed i do my daily fasted cardio i don't eat garbage right

00:35:25.040 so i manage my blood pressure that way and then the bivalol is just an extra on top and then

00:35:30.680 um now mostly is everything about anti-aging because i'm getting older and the oxidative

00:35:36.560 stress i want to keep as low as possible so i do do my injectable glutathione 1800 milligrams once a

00:35:42.420 week and then i do take 500 milligrams nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide nad plus

00:35:48.060 man what a what a game changer that nad plus yeah and so so and that's via iv or yeah that's iv i heard

00:35:57.920 with nad it's a very long iv drip because it's got to go slow like my guy was telling me mostly

00:36:03.680 most places will basically have you there for like a few hours they plug you in you take a nap or

00:36:08.700 sometimes people even do it like overnight that's not yeah that's not true for you um i don't have the

00:36:15.200 time for that because i'm always working uh so i just do the free flow and i get 500 milliliters in 30

00:36:22.620 minutes and it's not comfortable it's like basically when you you know you go to a roller

00:36:27.480 coaster you get that way up and then as soon as right before you start diving you get a little bit

00:36:31.740 of anxiety and that weird feeling your stomach like oh here we're gonna go so you feel like that

00:36:36.860 especially combining nad plus with glutathione it's so much antioxidants that you literally feel like

00:36:42.960 you know you're sinking right before the roller coaster so you feel a little bit awkward for 30

00:36:48.100 minutes now is that the best way to absorb all of that probably not but i don't have the time to sit

00:36:53.720 there for eight hours to do the slow drip so and i found that's very beneficial to do once a week

00:37:00.200 because i also take nmn the nicotinamide mononucleotides about 150 milligrams a couple

00:37:07.000 times a day and then the energy production and the overall well-being i get from that cocktail alone

00:37:13.120 it beats any steroid cycle that i've ever done and it beats growth hormone which was kind of like a

00:37:19.040 false promise of anti-aging you know growth hormone offers some anti-aging benefits topically you know

00:37:25.300 your nails grow faster your skin looks better your hair grows faster um but in reality it kind of ages

00:37:32.040 you faster because it raises igf-1 levels um which otherwise you have to mitigate with metformin so you

00:37:37.660 take one drug to you know combat the negative effects of another drug and before you know it you have

00:37:42.100 five drugs in the picture so i believe that nad plus and nmn man it's such a game changer and i

00:37:50.240 if you can do it if you can afford it i could recommend that to anybody i'm currently working on a

00:37:56.080 like a semi-anti-aging mitochondrial support stack that i'm going to record this week

00:38:01.360 and that's i you know for the guys that want to move over to my channel give that video a watch it

00:38:06.700 should be up sometime this week i think that's going to be a huge game changer i've been working on that

00:38:11.580 for nine months on that protocol doing all kinds of weird you know putting particular drugs and

00:38:18.580 supplements in removing them seeing which one is beneficial which one is would like to have

00:38:23.880 which one is you know a nice addition but probably not worth the cost that it will be a 30 minute video

00:38:29.080 long um but for the guys that can follow through that i think it's going to be a game changer regarding

00:38:34.560 your overall energy levels and your productivity and and just your overall masculinity man i feel so good

00:38:40.780 for the last year after do you take um resvertrol also no no you don't see any benefit to it

00:38:49.740 from this protocol alone no because it's expensive as enough as it is and it really makes you question

00:38:56.340 all these other things that you can try like nr nicotinamide riboside which is a precursor to

00:39:02.120 nmn i've tried that but i found that nmn works better and then you have to look at the cost and

00:39:07.580 benefits and all the scientific evidence and then even though both compounds have enough scientific

00:39:12.460 evidence to support it enough youtubers with podcasts to say oh this one is better this one is

00:39:16.960 better i just go with the one that worked best for me but i will recommend nr to people who might get

00:39:23.260 potentially get a better result from that so resveratrol i've tried for maybe a year or two

00:39:28.500 in duration didn't make a dent didn't make a difference i've tried krill oil for maybe two

00:39:34.580 years didn't make a difference you know but you take the krill oil and the fish oil out okay that you

00:39:39.520 notice so it's yeah some of these experiments that take a very long time but once they are released you

00:39:46.640 know i think they're quite game changers and then i put everything in one video to uh to make people

00:39:52.140 understand you know some people might need to watch it twice because it's quite in depth sometimes

00:39:56.360 uh but i think uh yeah so so that's that's the most prominent thing that i've been using for the

00:40:02.220 last couple of months that is something i will continue even after coming off cycle but um i think

00:40:09.140 you just have to like if you really want to take care of your health you kind of have to design it for

00:40:12.940 your own because there's so many ways to skin the cat what about um what about supplements like you

00:40:18.700 know vitamins and minerals and aminos and stuff like that is that is that part of your regular

00:40:23.540 yeah so i i supplement quite heavily but it's only on top of the nutrition that i get from my food so

00:40:31.040 first i i write my diet you know i eat you know breakfast lunch dinner some middle meals right so

00:40:37.720 five meals per day a post-workout shake i see which nutrients i already get and then i supplement on

00:40:44.480 top of that so i supplement with uh vitamin d3 because well i'm sitting inside all the time and

00:40:50.260 i don't have time to get sunlight uh which i should but you know a supplement is faster i supplement

00:40:56.520 heavily with magnesium up to 2 000 milligrams per day on top of the the magnesium that i get from my

00:41:03.180 diet which uh variant do you use uh glycinate bisglycinate bisglycinate yeah okay so i i found it very

00:41:10.280 beneficial because it helps with muscular contractions right and then calcium and magnesium

00:41:14.920 kind of help alternate the muscular contractions to simplify it but magnesium i get enough or calcium

00:41:20.960 i get enough for my diet yeah but it's pretty easy to get calcium yeah it's in most meat sources a

00:41:26.860 little bit of dairy um oatmeal is quite high in calcium some of the supplements contain calcium as

00:41:33.160 well so you get free calcium that way um a little bit of selenium a little bit of zinc you know

00:41:38.980 these just little amounts that most normal people or people who are not trading that excessively will

00:41:45.260 never notice but i notice it right so it's just like full biohacking full micromanagement of uh the

00:41:52.820 supplements that i take but i think as i come down i'm going to filter all of these supplements and

00:41:58.760 peds through fertility and if i found some scientific evidence that is you know negative on your fertility 1.00

00:42:05.340 levels okay then that supplement or pd goes i'll probably be left with nothing by the end of it

00:42:11.400 and then i'll have you know steak and eggs and there's some vegetables left and then i'm carnivore too

00:42:16.780 have you ever done a um um like a sensitivity test i did a uh one of the labs i added uh through was

00:42:26.160 was basically like a test where they run your blood up against certain allergens you know common ones

00:42:32.580 right and i mean things that popped up near the top for me were kind of surprising like um eggs dairy

00:42:39.960 um mostly eggs dairy maybe a couple of nuts meats are very good with my body um some you know some

00:42:49.900 forms of grains and i found that when i just took like eggs and dairy out of my diet you know for the

00:42:55.920 most part the farting stopped right like yeah you know it was it was really interesting to see that

00:43:01.140 your body actually you know reacts to certain foods in such a way that it that it that it can like

00:43:06.580 throw off your entire digestive sort of system have you ever done anything like that so i've done an

00:43:12.140 elimination diet and a check right where you check your blood and your skin for food allergies right

00:43:18.840 maybe five six years ago when i was really struggling with digestive issues and i still have that list of

00:43:24.460 foods i can eat and how often i can eat them through through the results for everybody yeah it's different

00:43:29.780 for everybody so i know exactly based on those results from that test what i can eat or how often

00:43:35.180 i can eat it and my own elimination diet which i found out about a lot of spices for example that i

00:43:40.340 can't have so i've done this very extensively a couple years back and my digestion improved so much

00:43:46.340 you know but bloating also comes down to i noticed as well zero zero zero bloating zero farts whereas

00:43:52.400 before i would just eat what i wanted or thought was healthy right certain vegetables you think oh

00:43:57.560 veggies so it is very healthy you still fart up a storm at the end of the day you know so now mostly

00:44:03.440 follow a fat map diet what's a um what's a good alternative to eggs if you get a sensitivity issue

00:44:12.760 to it because i mean you want eggs for the cholesterol right and you know the other nutrients

00:44:17.160 yeah healthy fats biotin right yeah exactly yeah so what's a good substitute for eggs for a guy like 1.00

00:44:22.100 me so there's many different kinds of eggs you don't only have to go with chicken eggs there's

00:44:28.180 i know a lot of people are going to slam me but duck eggs or quartz quartz eggs a very small one

00:44:34.360 all right that's an alternative that you can look into now personally i don't like to eat those

00:44:40.840 eggs because either the one is small and the duck eggs are not very tasty yeah i don't like duck eggs i've

00:44:46.480 tried them yeah yeah just just bring up michael and her stuff i'm sure a lot of people catch on to

00:44:52.900 that you know the 700 duck eggs like oh yeah my god yeah so but that is an alternative so if you

00:45:01.140 you maybe you're allergic to like um you know chicken eggs that are uh you know produced in one of those

00:45:07.380 warehouse farms but maybe uh free range eggs are good for you or maybe or maybe duck eggs or or you know

00:45:15.140 or maybe you just exclude it for your diet for three to six months you switch to a little bit more

00:45:19.200 steak and liver right which have similar uh nutritional values and then and then whatever

00:45:26.380 biotin or choline you don't get you can supplement in and that's a good thing about supplements you

00:45:31.500 you the name literally implies it you supplement it to your diet you know so um is there a replacement

00:45:39.740 for eggs i mean it's the most convenient food you can eat so i've removed it for six months at one

00:45:45.040 time yeah and then i reintroduced it and i could digest it beautifully yeah interesting okay i'll try

00:45:51.360 that out um you mentioned a few of the iv bags that you use um but you didn't mention phosphocholine or

00:45:57.320 plaque x i mean like plaque x is like the brand name out there but phosphocholine sort of the

00:46:01.780 main ingredient is there a reason why that you don't use that um i did an mri on my heart

00:46:06.840 and a ct scan in my heart and they're perfectly clean now that's just the heart um so my black

00:46:14.000 score is what you look for yeah my cac score is zero yeah um which is considering that i'm almost 40 and

00:46:20.260 i've done taken a ton of peds is uh and there's cardiovascular disease in my family um it's quite

00:46:28.120 surprising so i don't i don't take that but i might do so in the future i have access to all of it like

00:46:34.400 the injectable curcumin and the injectable edta but i haven't seen a reason to use it yet um

00:46:42.020 so maybe in the future i do nad plus glutathione vitamin c b vitamins yeah and uh cerebral lysine

00:46:50.660 i've done for a while that's like brain yeah brain derived neurotropic factor that helped quite a bit

00:46:55.960 um but i felt that i'd reached the ceiling and discontinuing it i didn't notice a declining

00:47:02.840 difference so i haven't reintroduced that um yeah so that's basically my weekly iv treatment

00:47:08.440 luckily i know a private nurse here who comes to my house i got everything that's in the fridge

00:47:13.300 yeah that's that's why thailand is great you know you just do everything on your terms so she'll come

00:47:18.800 over plug you in you can keep working while it's doing its thing yeah no that's exactly what i do yeah

00:47:23.040 i have like a tripod i have a tripod like one of those medical uh things where you can just hook them

00:47:27.500 and it's right here i got one arm this one is loaded up and it just does she leave and then 1.00

00:47:32.240 come back or do you just take it out yourself and no she stays here 45 minutes because i mean like you 1.00

00:47:37.160 literally you know take it out yourself just pull it up yeah put the cotton on tape it up but why you

00:47:42.880 know right why when i when the nurse is already here and she's a professional she's very good at what 1.00

00:47:48.100 she does and i don't have to move an inch yeah you know um and it's cheap you know you gotta

00:47:53.820 remember that in thailand these these services are very very cheap what does it cost in thailand by

00:47:57.700 the way so i think the whole treatment cost me about a hundred dollars a week and it's about

00:48:03.600 about 75 for the ingredients and 25 for the nurse that's that's great um so but that's per person so

00:48:10.780 she she my wife also gives a similar treatment yeah of course there's epidide and semaglutide

00:48:17.280 yeah so so there's this so my friend dragos is you know working on trying to lose weight i think these

00:48:22.620 are weight loss uh peptides yeah what are your thoughts on those like do you have any recommendation

00:48:26.560 for guys that are that are more pudgy that are trying to drop weight i'm i'm i'm one of the few

00:48:31.760 people who actually introduced this to the fitness community over two years ago when semaglutide and

00:48:37.180 liraglutide and dulaglutide first became popular i was one of the first besides colette nelson

00:48:42.880 um it was very knowledgeable about insulin and diabetic medications um we introduced this to

00:48:51.520 the fitness industry a long time ago and now it's exploded i think they're highly beneficial so first i

00:48:58.360 tried to introduce this to the bodybuilding community and they were kind of hesitant because

00:49:01.920 they want to be blue collar they want to suffer through the diet you know it's it's it's not hardcore if

00:49:06.660 you don't you know starve etc let you keep talking i just got to look up the name of a peptide here

00:49:11.200 while you're doing that yeah sure sure sorry go ahead so with these drugs you basically suppress your

00:49:15.980 appetites to non-existent right you're not hungry at all you have to set your alarm um so you're reminded

00:49:23.900 to eat and for general population that's great you know because they overeat so semaglutide is now

00:49:29.580 being prescribed every beer in the united states i came to the united states i landed in la and i saw huge

00:49:34.700 fat billboards for semaglutide i'm like man i can't i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe that

00:49:41.760 they were promoting something that i've been talking about you know recommending for two years

00:49:45.800 and now it's on a big fat billboard so that was interesting to see um and now there's a new

00:49:52.000 medication called terzepatite moon moon jarro which is a combination glp1 and gip drug so you have the

00:50:00.680 old generation that's doula lira and semaglutide that's just a glucagon like peptide one receptor

00:50:06.000 agonist long story short it blunts your appetite through this receptor and then there's another

00:50:12.360 receptor called the gastrointestinal polypeptide or gastric inhibitory peptide gip and if you

00:50:21.140 block or you know analog both receptors with moon jarro terzepatite appetite suppression zero or

00:50:29.680 appetite zero full appetite suppression at a dose of 2.55 milligrams every couple of days you know

00:50:36.600 depending on the half life i haven't had a chance to use it myself but everybody that i talk to yes we

00:50:41.840 will discuss this on the upcoming super physiological man podcast it was one of the topics

00:50:46.200 um it's one of the most potent appetite suppressants you can get now and i would prefer this over

00:50:52.700 things like tesofensine or adderall or you know um what is that old the the discontinued

00:51:01.380 methamphetamine based medications um i'm sure somebody in the in the chat will mention it these

00:51:08.920 are very old uh appetite suppressants you basically just want to make you vacuum the house all day because

00:51:13.700 it's so stimulating yeah right so these are the kind of crazy drugs that people used to take

00:51:21.400 but i think that these peptide medications it's just okay you inject it once a day once a week

00:51:26.040 and the entire burden of being hungry is gone so if you compete in a bodybuilding contest you don't

00:51:34.680 think about food you have to set your alarm if you're a busy businessman that at the end of the day

00:51:39.920 is kind of stressed and you have your worst meal of the day which would happen to a lot of business

00:51:43.940 guys right you kind of forget to eat you forget to eat and you have a horrible lunch and even worse

00:51:48.160 dinner and then uh just you know let's order grab food and and this takes that issue away so even

00:51:54.580 though these medications are you know mad expensive unless you source them on the um you know the illegal

00:52:00.580 route and you get that shipped from turkey or another country are these legal in north america

00:52:04.320 like can you just get them from a peptide company kind of prescription yeah on prescription yeah

00:52:08.760 same same as here in thailand even though the pharmacies sell it no issues yeah um okay so this

00:52:14.880 is what i want to look up a buddy of mine we were talking about another peptide and he has access to

00:52:18.940 a peptide company he goes if you want something that'll shred you uh terzepatide which i think was

00:52:25.760 the one that yeah okay um blah blah blah he goes i'll send you a sample you send it you send it to me

00:52:33.220 in a bottle that was labeled something else let's just you know use something like zinc you know so

00:52:38.200 the bottle says you know zinc on the bottle to get it through um yeah right and then i asked him okay

00:52:43.920 so is this is a is this a suppressant that you mentioned because it was a mislabeled bottle because

00:52:48.640 i knew i had no idea why he sent it to me and he goes i think so and then he called it tesofensine

00:52:53.580 tesofensine is different from that right yeah so tesofensine is you could classify it as a serotonin

00:53:01.140 reuptake inhibitor i think it's an snri i haven't done that so much research or yeah so it works

00:53:08.440 through a serotonin neurotransmitter pathway so and and the um terzepatide the moon jarro that works

00:53:15.780 in the uh intestinal tract and in the pancreas and in the stomach so it's a different signaling

00:53:22.080 right so terzepatide is the appetite suppressant is that a pill or is it a peptide like an injectable

00:53:27.800 oh it's an injection that's an injectable peptide yeah okay so i think what he sent me was the pill

00:53:31.980 so if he sends you the pill that's probably tesofensine and that um that that is a drug

00:53:38.460 that is meant to be respected because it falls into the category of you know an ssri or an

00:53:43.700 antidepressant technically so there might be a withdrawal period if you discontinue that whereas

00:53:49.340 with um terzepatide semaglutide deliraglutide dulaglutide you stop it your appetite comes back

00:53:56.860 that's about the extent of it interesting yeah yeah but that's offensine i haven't used it myself

00:54:02.620 but the people that i know that run it they say that it's also a very potent appetite suppressant but

00:54:07.820 what i know about brain chemistry um i would consider that a last resort i would rather look into the

00:54:14.200 peptides instead again they have some scientific evidence that they're not the healthiest

00:54:17.660 but you know if you if you look into aspirin which has been extensively studied i mean dive

00:54:24.640 into the research there you would never want to touch aspirin ever again

00:54:27.420 so it just depends what you read about it okay uh hang on there's a super chat here somebody

00:54:35.820 threw on the screen uh have the goal to start a business next year do you think opening a gym is

00:54:40.160 a good business market advice on stuff i'll say this guys anything that can be shut down by the

00:54:47.240 next lockdown the next scandemic the next climate lockdown i i personally would not get into a

00:54:53.320 business where they can lock your doors but steve like what do you think about gyms um i looked into

00:54:58.220 it and i think it's not a good idea i think it would be like a passion project to open up a gym which is

00:55:03.820 for many bodybuilders it's just a passion product they want to have their own gym they want to attach

00:55:08.100 their name to it come trade at my gym and then within two or three years gen pop finds their way there

00:55:13.280 and the overall enjoyment of your gym goes down so yeah that and that's what i see with all all gyms so

00:55:20.180 unless you treat it like a real business um not as a passion project you need a supplement store

00:55:27.340 attached you need something that looks like subway or you know one of those countertops where people can

00:55:32.960 kind of piece their meals together that will be a huge seller um you need a place where people can um

00:55:39.300 you know buy clothes and so you have like multiple avenues multiple revenue streams within that

00:55:45.100 complex to get people to spend more money while they're there otherwise you're just on the

00:55:50.080 memberships it's not feasible in my i have a i have a good friend that bought a gym uh like two and a half

00:55:56.880 maybe three years ago and he's he's basically lost money every single month with the pandemic even

00:56:02.400 with the government bursaries and subsidies that they were paying out he's like like he was underwater for

00:56:07.200 for a long time he just keeps it because um you know it's like a hobby you know it's like a hobby

00:56:13.720 for his family friend and his wife so they you know so they sort of like in that sense but if you want

00:56:18.080 to make money like if you want to create wealth like there's better ways to do it i i would say so

00:56:22.980 yeah especially now yeah like you said if you have something that's in one place and not online

00:56:28.000 yeah again you can get shut down and even if you keep it open you keep it private and you find whatever

00:56:33.700 loophole you can to keep that open uh you're still going to lose money on it and you know unless you

00:56:38.600 own the land and you don't have to pay rent even the equipment um you know investment is quite steep

00:56:45.620 yeah you know so personally i wouldn't do it if but if i had a couple extra million laying around

00:56:51.320 and i was tired of the gyms that i'm currently training at and i found a piece of land that is

00:56:55.900 purchasable hell yes i would make my own gym and it would be exclusive and the membership would be

00:57:01.820 astronomical just to only do not let the riffraff in um and yeah sorry dude people don't like it 1.00

00:57:09.480 when you say that you know when you use that term yeah but you're better than me no it's not that but

00:57:15.260 listen i return all of my weights general population doesn't i let people work in general population

00:57:20.880 doesn't i i clean the equipment general population doesn't so that brings the quality and the overall

00:57:26.680 drive of the gym to you know stimulate each other to do better that brings it down so if you only let

00:57:33.680 people thailand though but you get a lot of like the like the influence like the tiktok butt model like

00:57:38.980 influencers everybody's like this now you know there's a clip on there's more track and they're 1.00

00:57:43.900 making videos with a fucking light you know that goes around yeah like it's it just gets stupid 0.98

00:57:48.900 yeah i i you know i i have my moments where i record my you know for workouts as well but i always feel 0.99

00:57:55.820 kind of guilty and then i try not to film other members but i i've had days where you just you're

00:58:00.560 literally circumnavigating through all the recording and you have to be very aware of all the angles and

00:58:04.980 you walk through somebody's set and they get pissed you know even though i make an appearance so

00:58:10.100 your view should be better um tag me yeah tag me as a collaborator you know i'll share it

00:58:18.520 uh jaron's got a kind of a follow-up here on yeah forman with some glutide um what's your thoughts on

00:58:25.860 that um you know the anti-aging benefits of metformin have greatly been exaggerated um yes it lowers igf-1

00:58:35.460 but you can anti-age with so much better things so you're you're basically combining two

00:58:40.660 anti-diabetic medications semiglutide is an anti-diabetic medication and so is metformin

00:58:45.440 and um you could do that on a ketogenic diet but if you eat carbohydrates maybe twice a day because

00:58:53.200 your appetite is not better you might experience blood sugar fluctuations because the metformin is

00:58:57.900 slowing your digestion and increasing your insulin insulin sensitivity and the semiglutide does

00:59:03.420 and now you might have like you know periods during the day where you're going hypoglycemic

00:59:08.980 so and i would say that hypoglycemia is not very productive you know just sit there sweating and

00:59:14.820 confused and you're like am i hungry do i need to take a shower you know if you if you're really on

00:59:20.700 top of your diet you can eat five meals and you keep your blood glucose level stable combining

00:59:26.020 semiglutide with metformin okay go for it a ketogenic diet would make it a lot easier because

00:59:31.420 now your brain is working on ketones uh on ketones but you know regarding anti-aging you know if you

00:59:37.880 follow a regular diet that's not inflammatory and not full with free radicals and processed food

00:59:43.460 then you'll get more anti-aging benefits out of that compared to combining these two drugs

00:59:48.260 do you think that berberine's a better um supplement to take than metformin it's easier easier to acquire

00:59:57.040 um natural and it yeah it's natural yeah you have another version called dihydroberberine

01:00:03.500 which i haven't had an opportunity to try but the people that tried it say that it's better than

01:00:07.920 regular berberine the benefits of berberine is that it acts as a deep peptidyl peptidase type 4 inhibitor

01:00:14.180 so that means that it inhibits the breakdown of insulin and igf-1 and growth hormone releasing

01:00:21.340 hormone now this effect is very small but i think over time it this is one of the reasons why berberine

01:00:28.180 is very beneficial for your insulin sensitivity and your overall glucose uptake because it prevents

01:00:33.760 the breakdown of insulin itself so insulin is now actually more active and a good thing is comparing

01:00:39.040 berberine to metformin is that with metformin you get gastrointestinal upset so you can only take it

01:00:43.760 at the end of the day but berberine you can take in the morning or with bigger carbohydrate meals you

01:00:49.000 still get this insulin sensitizing and glucose disposing effect whereas if you take metformin

01:00:55.040 in the morning oh man you're bloated to the max at the end of the day so if you want berberine in

01:01:00.360 the morning metformin in the evening good luck metformin suppresses the nutrient uptake though

01:01:07.100 doesn't it like they say not to take it on days of your training so no it slows gastric emptying

01:01:12.360 and that could result in in a reduction of nutrients but i don't think that's really the

01:01:19.360 case that much if you follow a diet that is high in nutrients because again you take it at the end

01:01:25.000 of the day what i what i notice is that the igf-1 reduction and the and the glucose disposing effect

01:01:31.340 of metformin makes your workouts the next day less productive so if i take metformin once a week

01:01:38.000 on sunday after i go out with my wife and we eat hamburgers for example which is the the non-healthy

01:01:43.660 food the most non-healthy food we eat i notice that monday my workout is less but it could also

01:01:49.540 be because i'm eating more inflammatory food so i still haven't you know found a conclusive answer

01:01:56.080 regarding that is it the cheat meal itself or is it the metformin after the cheat meal

01:01:59.720 that is hindering my workout capacity the next day speaking of um you know eating out and meals i

01:02:06.360 know that when you were traveling the states you know you're obviously eating out for the most part

01:02:09.580 um did you find it hard to find quality food in the u.s versus thailand or no i think the sanitation

01:02:18.220 is standards is much higher in the u.s um in the restaurants that i've been to you know in thailand

01:02:24.480 it's sometimes you're like hmm you wonder so i'm very selective on where i eat and we went to

01:02:31.080 trader joe's which is a grocery store chain in america and they have all kinds of health foods

01:02:36.480 so in la i we we just ate you know at well we went to disneyland so that's all the food we were able to

01:02:43.500 find during the day and then in the evening we eat at a nice restaurant but in in las vegas we uh we went

01:02:50.260 to trader joe's every four days and i would just get chicken wraps chicken sandwiches cooked chicken

01:02:54.720 um you know some turkey uh slices and and cottage cheese and and berries and we just mix match a

01:03:02.360 lunch together and that that was quite healthy quite protein rich healthy fats etc and then in

01:03:07.920 the evening okay we would eat you know something maybe not so healthy but man it's holiday dude

01:03:12.260 you gotta enjoy enjoy the cuisine what's it like living in thailand i think you said um that you

01:03:19.060 were prevented from traveling up until recently yeah so you could come in and out but you know

01:03:25.340 there were some restrictions for coming back in you would need a vaccine or two two or five you know

01:03:30.900 whatever the rules are nowadays i know they keep changing that all the time so you need uh you need

01:03:36.760 you need to be vaxxed and you need it um you need a particular insurance and then some people

01:03:45.580 you know you have like one person on the plane would test positive right upon arrival and then

01:03:51.680 the whole plane would get quarantined i don't have time for that i don't have time for that nonsense

01:03:57.760 so they lifted that rule so they lifted that rule a couple months ago and then i started planning for

01:04:03.080 this holiday and and guess what you know now they've been going back and forth whether people

01:04:07.340 need to be double vaxxed or not before they can come in and that's been going on for last week

01:04:11.440 that's a very hot topic so i've got people contacting me all the time like steve can i come

01:04:16.160 in can i you know because they're not vaxxed they don't want to which i completely understand

01:04:20.540 um but they don't want to be coming here and then being sent back or being put in quarantine

01:04:26.100 so we had that situation for like two and a half years where i didn't know

01:04:29.620 if i leave can i come back um easily i'm like that wasn't the only insane country with insane

01:04:36.220 rules then oh it's everywhere japan was japan was completely locked down china was locked down

01:04:41.400 so many australia got i mean they got the worst of it yeah they got hit hard and you know guys just

01:04:47.120 to be clear like like proof of vaccination is not the same thing as vaccination you guys can read

01:04:52.020 between the lines and figure it out but you know solve solve problems like it's a coming up on you

01:04:56.580 as a guy to solve problems in your life if you want to change your blood work permanently

01:05:00.580 then uh for the worst then yeah listen to the government yeah exactly um yeah so with with thailand

01:05:12.260 like all of these drugs are basically over the counter you don't need you don't need a doctor's

01:05:16.340 prescription it's like mexico you can just walk in and buy whatever you want so technically everything

01:05:21.520 is on prescription but it's not enforced so thailand is a lot is a country where there's plenty

01:05:26.780 of laws but they're poorly enforced um so i can go into the pharmacy by testosterone technically

01:05:33.860 that's on prescription but i can walk out of it without a prescription in my 15 years that i've

01:05:39.060 been here or longer i've never been asked for a prescription same for nabivalol thomasartan

01:05:45.320 man uh post-cycle therapy drugs fertility drugs uh you know a lot of stuff that is not fta approved but

01:05:54.160 it's still being sold under the counter you know from the back sleeping pills and that kind of

01:05:58.400 nonsense um yeah it's all available so it's up to somebody invited me when he was uh studying

01:06:06.820 at one of the universities and there's a good friend of mine we're still friends to this day

01:06:11.280 and he he sent me an email he said it's fun in thailand you should come over

01:06:15.920 and i was kind of bored so based on that short message i was like yeah sure why not

01:06:20.780 you're living in holland at the time or yeah living in holland yeah yeah so i came over and i

01:06:27.500 had a blast and then you come back and then you realized oh man i can't come back to this so that's

01:06:34.120 when the exit yeah you get a wake-up call right like i can do whatever i want my euro you know

01:06:40.140 converted into thai bot goes a long way because back then the currency rate was like one euro to 53

01:06:44.760 bought which now it's like 34 or 37 so it's a huge fluctuation right and and the country was super

01:06:52.400 cheap at the time so you i felt like a millionaire and you know i was making okay money as a consultant

01:06:57.700 nothing compared to now but at the time i was making good money which was not going very far in

01:07:03.680 holland because of all the restrictions and the you know the taxes and all that you know stuff to keep

01:07:08.240 you suppressed and then you come to thailand you can literally do whatever it was such an eye-opening

01:07:15.800 experience and then i i didn't want to go back obviously just like so many other guys they don't

01:07:20.860 want to go back so you get kind of cursed you come to thailand you have a good network of people that

01:07:25.220 introduce you and show you around and then you go back home and you literally feel like you're living

01:07:29.900 in a prison so i i had to make some changes to my life so i i arrived two days later i booked a ticket

01:07:36.060 for a month then i came back then i booked a ticket for six months a couple months later

01:07:41.420 and then you know it was after i met my wife um that i finally settled here so you know now i have

01:07:49.300 a proper reason to stay i had traveled you know through asia and japan and all these countries in

01:07:55.020 the neighborhood but that was all before i met my wife and after i met my wife kind of settled here

01:07:58.700 and now we have a great life together um because again the restrictions besides you know the pandemic

01:08:04.620 restrictions um restrictions are very very small you can literally do whatever you want here

01:08:10.340 which is obviously similar to um like a place like v like vietnam i was talking to a buddy of mine who

01:08:18.840 was actually born in vietnam came here um he's going to retire i think he's got a few more years

01:08:25.380 um and then he's going to retire and and his plan is really to spend most of his time in vietnam now

01:08:31.280 and he's telling me you know like over like he doesn't like canada he doesn't like

01:08:34.800 you know the government the implications the restrictions the taxes all the stuff that sort

01:08:40.160 of comes with living here that people you know around the world think are awesome but you know

01:08:43.460 like when they come here after a while they start to realize well yeah go go go live in canada or

01:08:47.160 holland for a month yeah but it sounds good and you're like yeah yeah but he was telling me in

01:08:54.020 vietnam um i mean like first of all the obvious is there like real estate's cheaper you know you can

01:08:59.040 buy pretty much anything for next to nothing sort of thing but but he's like there's no social

01:09:02.640 welfare system like there's no like if you don't work then you starve so everybody works there's 0.68

01:09:07.300 no minimum wage right so it's like everybody finds a way to make things happen the taxes are almost

01:09:12.040 non-existent on income is it the same thing in thailand yeah same but it's a little bit more

01:09:17.120 developed so if you want to see um what thailand looked like maybe 20 30 years ago go to vietnam

01:09:22.320 right the buildings are smaller the roads are smaller um things are a little bit behind compared to thailand

01:09:28.380 but the people are super nice the english literacy in vietnam is great as it's here even though it's

01:09:34.220 getting worse in thailand while in vietnam it's actually improving so their literacy in english is

01:09:39.320 improving way more than here in thailand um and you know if you know exactly what you want out of life

01:09:46.920 these are places really good places to live but you have to sacrifice some things that you're used to

01:09:52.660 in the western world so as brutal as it sounds like accountability

01:09:56.340 is not easy to find over here

01:10:00.500 so yeah accountability what sounds like can you give me an example

01:10:06.800 so let's say you you work with somebody right a local and you you expect work to be done in a certain

01:10:14.160 way um a lot of the times it gets done you know half you know half-assed and there's no

01:10:21.160 accountability there but like what went wrong why isn't it finished why you know did this and a lot

01:10:27.360 of entrepreneurs and and expats struggle with this at the higher position jobs but of course if you're

01:10:33.420 self-employed and you're really selective on who you led into your inner circle to help you with that

01:10:37.920 stuff then you don't have to deal with that but you go to you know some of these expat forums

01:10:42.880 or you talk to expats who have been here for 20 30 years working corporations and the stories that you

01:10:48.620 hear um yeah they yeah they're quite negative about the situation and it just you know you have to

01:10:55.280 change your mindset like in europe canada america the government and things are run in a particular

01:11:00.780 way right so you can count on that for always being in this direction well here you barely can't so you

01:11:07.180 have to change your mindset you right now i just expect everything to go wrong and if it goes right

01:11:13.000 then i'm pleasantly surprised so this is the only way to cope with that um and and you know you try

01:11:19.520 i try to limit my exposure to the country itself by having um staff that i delegate particular tasks to

01:11:26.560 and they take care of it i don't want to hear what goes wrong i don't want to hear why it's more

01:11:31.160 expensive or why it's cheaper i just want to get it done and and these people that i work with now

01:11:35.460 they're very accountable and they get paid you know royally way more than they would get as a you

01:11:40.140 know a salary here in thailand so they're happy and i'm happy but you need staff to make it like if

01:11:46.800 you want to operate a business whether that's online or locally man you need really reliable

01:11:53.100 people and those are super hard to find from my experience you know but maybe i'm not in the right

01:11:58.140 network could also be the case because i've always been in the gyms right and i haven't really done much

01:12:03.500 networking you know with with the high-level entrepreneurs so that could yeah i find the same thing

01:12:09.740 here with staff too there was a book that a buddy of mine recommended a few years ago it's called

01:12:14.760 company of one i can't remember the author for the life of me you might want to check it out but

01:12:18.600 basically you know ideas around structuring your business and your life in such a way that you

01:12:24.880 don't that you have as few employees working for you or contractors as possible it's one of the

01:12:31.320 things i talk about in my school of entrepreneurship course is trying to structure your business in such a

01:12:35.860 way that you don't have to rely because human beings aren't reliable in general when it comes

01:12:40.600 to working for you or working for somebody else you know there's an old saying um i can't remember

01:12:45.700 the setup too but it's something like you know how long have you worked for the company and the answer

01:12:50.060 from the employee is ever since they threatened to fire me sort of thing so it's like you know people

01:12:54.960 will work kind of like to like a minimum level standard that they think is worth their salary

01:12:59.560 whereas the employer thinks that that minimum standard is sort of here so there's always that gap like

01:13:03.560 the employee does this much to earn their salary and the employer thinks that it should be around

01:13:07.360 here um so i mean you always tend to run into that problem and i've always said like look you know if

01:13:11.600 i'm going to assign somebody to do something i just expect them to do it like about 80 as well as i'll do

01:13:16.680 it but if you show up doing it like 50 60 then we got problems yeah no i agree so i've i've tried to

01:13:23.480 keep my operation similar to that but i've now come to a point where i need to expand because otherwise

01:13:28.640 i'm just micromanaging six and a half days a week so i i you know all the little chores that i don't want to

01:13:33.380 do anymore i just delegate to people yeah i want to talk to you about like youtube and the chores

01:13:37.800 you know kind of in your business let me just grab these two quick super chats uh this dude's asking

01:13:42.200 about stacking mk677 uh to make it i think optimal thing he's talking about the fat burning stuff is

01:13:48.060 that yeah is that what that references to yeah so you can take mk677 before bed but you need to use

01:13:53.220 it with an appetite suppressant like semaglutide or alleroglutide or terzapatite because mk677

01:13:59.720 increases your appetite and it ruins your insulin sensitivity by you know your your growth hormone

01:14:04.900 levels are constantly elevated and if your growth hormone levels are elevated you always have a

01:14:08.920 little bit of fat in the bloodstream because growth hormone is very lipolytic so it releases body fat

01:14:13.580 and body fat in the bloodstream is horrible for insulin sensitivity so a lot of guys they eat or they 0.55

01:14:19.760 take mk677 and they their appetite goes way high and then they start eating like a butthole and then

01:14:27.280 they ruin their insulin sensitivity they get morbidly obese around the you know the love handles and the

01:14:32.560 lower abs and the glutes when if you can control your appetite with semaglutide and you take it

01:14:37.820 during a cutting phase then um i think it's very beneficial but you still need to check your blood

01:14:43.500 glucose levels every day every morning to make sure that you're still insulin sensitive when you wake up

01:14:49.180 because if your your blood glucose goes over goes over 100 milligrams per deciliter your cardio is less

01:14:54.880 effective and and and maybe during the night it's even way higher and now you're kind of sending weird

01:14:59.680 signals do do i have a time for a quick bathroom break before we get into that yeah go ahead yeah

01:15:05.220 i'm sorry yeah i'll i'll uh give me 30 seconds yeah i'll uh pull steve out of the stream and bring him

01:15:11.560 back when he gets back from the bio break and i guess i'll hit tristan's question over here as far as

01:15:15.580 weight because he says i went from 155 pounds to 285 five foot seven in complete shock don't know

01:15:23.040 where to start and this is a question that i've had a lot people always ask this sort of stuff and

01:15:28.820 it's like you don't just go from 155 to 285 overnight or over the course of six months it's a

01:15:36.220 sequence of really bad choices that compound you know you don't eat quality food you don't eat

01:15:41.680 nutritional dense food you eat processed food you're eating frozen pizza i mean i've done this

01:15:47.200 before on like zoom calls where i've had guys on like zoom calls and he's like you know exact same

01:15:50.780 question you can see him he's got you know the weight around his face you can see he's fat he's

01:15:54.720 got a couple extra chins and you're like well what do you eat mostly and it's like well frozen pizzas

01:15:58.940 okay well that's part of your problem and i think you know that's part of your problem stop eating

01:16:03.880 garbage and move more it's it's not a complex formula it's really just move more eat better

01:16:09.140 right um and some people say oh it's not just that easy or like how do you do that or where do 0.77

01:16:14.140 you start how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time you just start um you just start moving more

01:16:19.560 on a daily basis you know if you want to track yourself and hold yourself more accountable to

01:16:24.400 these standards then get a fitness tracker get a whoop get an aura ring get something that's like

01:16:29.880 tracking the amount of steps that you take every day you know measure your measure your caloric

01:16:34.380 intake um it's a it's a do the work sort of question i'll throw it to you steve because i

01:16:39.400 mean like you know you do this way more than i do but what do you think of questions like that

01:16:42.440 so you got to start somewhere right if i'm not sure if he's coming from complete zero being 285 pounds but

01:16:48.400 um you know if you're currently inactive start by getting active and learning how to love being active

01:16:55.240 so again like you said a step counter or or buying some cardio machines so you can do that at home

01:17:00.180 because you know i know it's winter in certain places in the world so you know outside cardio

01:17:04.900 might not be an option and i want you to invest into that cardio machine now you have the moral

01:17:09.720 responsibility to use that thing otherwise you waste your money so you have that and and you know maybe

01:17:16.220 the life cycle of that machine is like six thousand hours okay work that back by doing cardio on it

01:17:21.800 and that's a good starting point and then slowly you'll notice that you know you feel better already

01:17:27.220 your blood pressure is better you get more energy during the day try to level that up with nutrition

01:17:31.480 you know you start working on that and then before you know it um you're 220 pounds you know and you

01:17:39.600 just have to start you just have to start that's the rule start and then level up keep leveling up

01:17:45.760 and treat it like a job like how much yeah like how much money do you have

01:17:49.940 right i mean oh yeah go to go to facebook ads and just buy some weights for 100 bucks if you got

01:17:57.440 more money hire a personal trainer if you got more money hire a personal trainer and a dietician

01:18:02.320 it's like how serious are you about losing the weight and and all the money you used to spend on on

01:18:07.940 you know things that got you to that point put it into a savings account that appreciates

01:18:12.640 you know whether that's cryptocurrency or or stock or or you know just a general uh savings account

01:18:18.960 with you know one and a half percent interests nowadays yeah put it somewhere and then collect that money

01:18:26.420 back once you've reached your goals you'll be you're you're you'll be like now now i have to physique

01:18:31.280 and the money yeah that's the best rewards you can give yourself you know that's highly motivating

01:18:37.040 one of the things i've sort of come across last few years which i found really interesting is uh

01:18:43.360 sleep apnea and i think a lot of people don't understand the significance of depriving your body

01:18:48.700 of oxygen when you're asleep can you talk about sleep apnea a little bit yeah so i don't suffer from

01:18:55.660 this myself and i remember on the previous discussion that we have you recommended that

01:18:59.200 finger monitor right yeah i got another one actually because my last one broke so

01:19:03.940 oh yeah but i wear it every night so i looked that up right and i recommended that to a lot of

01:19:08.520 people and i wish i had a discount code and i hope you have one now yourself um because no no no me

01:19:14.260 neither but but a lot of people i know a lot of people bought them and it improved their sleep quality

01:19:19.380 a lot you know they have the digital one that tracks you know the one uh on their phone and then

01:19:25.460 maybe later on they upgrade to an aura ring or you know apple watch or whatever who can do similar

01:19:30.540 things but that's already a great way to math uh to measure it so so self-diagnosis using one of

01:19:36.560 these machines is highly beneficial and you know if you're single you kind of don't know what's going

01:19:41.000 on at night but otherwise your girlfriend or wife or you know one of the girls that sleeps over will 0.99

01:19:46.280 tell you like to just snore like crazy and uh you've got to fix that shit because you know they can't 0.99

01:19:52.980 sleep so self-diagnosis is a good way otherwise you set up a webcam you know to film yourself at night 0.99

01:19:58.160 and just look at the audio track to see if there's any spikes in audio where you're waking up gasping

01:20:02.980 for air and then go get a sleep study done or find your way to a c-pad machine while you're getting

01:20:08.840 your weight under control and if if weight you know body weight is not the issue um maybe you know maybe

01:20:15.340 the thorax or your neck is too wide or or you know it's just what is that central sleep apnea where the

01:20:21.660 signal from the brain to the breathing is not um proper oh there's an electrical issue in your body

01:20:28.780 yeah exactly then then maybe you just need a c-pad machine permanently and if you go on the c-pad or

01:20:34.600 an apap machine automatic that regulates the in and out and has a better humidity control i mean it's

01:20:41.180 life-changing it's a game changer for people i don't have sleep apnea so i don't i don't know what

01:20:46.380 the difference is i can be 260 pounds and sleep like a baby luckily but i know people that have

01:20:51.560 sleep apnea to watch lighter body weight and they once they go on the apap man it's a game changer

01:20:57.640 it's yeah it fixes some issues it's definitely something to consider so i've had two sleep

01:21:03.420 studies done first one they gave me a c-pad uh after i had it done it took like six months to get

01:21:08.940 one because of you know shortages and whatever so i got that started using it for about three or four

01:21:14.220 months and then during that time i got punched in the nose uh in boxing and my sinuses have never

01:21:20.240 been the same so it's like whenever i sleep now i only get hair in one nostril so like right now

01:21:26.620 they're both open but i only get like 50 air so i don't know if i have to get surgery to fix that if

01:21:32.640 i got to get that tube you know they put that like it's like a bladder they put this like little

01:21:36.820 balloon nose and they pump it up and it like opens up the airway so i got to test a few things to

01:21:41.660 get that fixed but it's a serious issue like i noticed with my spo2 monitor like after i got

01:21:46.380 punched in the nose and my sinuses sort of like you know took a hit from that my average spo2 went

01:21:52.660 from like 97 98 down to like 94 and it doesn't matter what i do like you know how i sleep you 0.98

01:21:58.240 know where i sleep what the pressure is in the c-pad it's still it's still kind of fuck so it's 0.87

01:22:02.380 like one of the things that i'm sort of trying to fix but it's like most guys don't really pay it 0.87

01:22:06.440 pay much attention to it and i think the older you get especially the more weight that you have

01:22:10.660 and a lot of guys are overweight in north america you're probably going to have breathing issues

01:22:14.520 and if you're limiting oxygen to your brain and your organs when you're sleeping which is generally

01:22:18.540 when it goes down it's it's going to cut like not even years maybe in like a decade or two off your

01:22:24.660 life it's potentially yeah and the quality of life during is also way reduced way reduced so did you

01:22:31.800 have you been in canada this entire time when you were dealing with your sinuses being clogged

01:22:36.000 yeah have you moved to other other um like more wet climates like thailand for example

01:22:42.420 no no i mean i was down in uh mexico in november and i didn't bring my monitor so i so i didn't

01:22:51.240 bother to check it but but i got your nose like at the end of never well i got punched in the nose at

01:22:56.760 the end of november during the boxing class so i think it happened after that so i'm so i'm trying to 0.81

01:23:01.180 it's like one of those things like oh fuck now i got to deal with this so i got to get to the bottom 0.84

01:23:04.780 of how to get the oxygen levels up and get the airflow working and it's like just another thing 0.95

01:23:09.900 to add to the table with my other stack of 72 other more stuff you have to manage right so

01:23:16.680 you know if i'm not managing the business or my health what's that yeah yeah yeah that's that's

01:23:20.420 the most important things right um do you have a humidifier at home because i know when i went to

01:23:26.420 the machine has a humidifier built into it so it moisturizes no but also also in in the house

01:23:31.500 because you're breathing through your nose the whole day yeah okay oh yeah so maybe yeah okay so

01:23:36.880 so and the humidity is what 70 percent more yeah yeah okay try try a little bit higher 85 percent as

01:23:44.180 clammy as it is it might improve your needs yeah give it a try one of the things i actually sorry go

01:23:50.400 ahead yeah so i know people who suffer from similar issues and they move to thailand and it's gone

01:23:54.980 even though this place the pollution is way worse it's just the humidity you know in the heat that

01:24:01.300 allows your sinuses to kind of calm down and um you know recover that way so and then maybe you can

01:24:07.340 bring your oxygen up slightly also there's drugs for that but it's highly experimental yeah and it

01:24:13.840 comes from russia i'm trying to stay away from too much experimental shit i think i've already yeah 0.78

01:24:20.360 exactly let me let me run that experiment first i'll update you with a video and then yeah i'll 0.90

01:24:24.500 watch yeah i'll watch for your video when you've when you've tested it yourself first yeah yeah yeah

01:24:28.640 um uh what was i gonna say uh yeah let's talk about like the whole business of youtube and what

01:24:35.660 you're doing like how are you finding that because we're chopping up a little bit you know before we

01:24:39.320 went live right um it's interesting i mean it's i think it without youtube i wouldn't have gone

01:24:46.340 this far right because now you reach everybody in the world but it feels that youtube always has

01:24:51.280 you by the balls with their weird rules and you can't swear now and and and you need to place ads

01:24:57.540 every two minutes because we decide how many we're going to show them you need a particular thumbnail to 0.98

01:25:03.060 bait people in i don't know if your thumbnail isn't spicy then we're not going to promote it because

01:25:08.260 the first like you have different lines right so first it shows the video to your core audience and

01:25:13.420 you know the lesser core audience and the average audience and a bigger audience and you need to

01:25:17.960 patch all those layers before it gets viral right before it gets thrown out to the rest of the world

01:25:23.960 and if you don't pass all those levels um then your video will never get shows and it just gets

01:25:29.320 flatlined even if you put the tags and and the information correct right so people can actually find

01:25:36.740 your video it will just never pick up in the algorithm and it's as a content creator that's highly

01:25:41.500 frustrating because you have a particular message to convey but youtube tries to

01:25:48.240 benchmark your benchmark thing and then squeeze that through a tunnel and how they want it and if

01:25:55.900 you don't do that no views for you it's highly frustrating but then again i'm very thankful for

01:26:01.380 the platform because without youtube in general i wouldn't have gotten this far you know nobody would

01:26:06.460 be able to see my face in long form content because instagram is a minute minute and a half and how

01:26:11.660 can you judge somebody's character based on that you know or convey a message so it's still one of the

01:26:16.200 better platforms out there but i'm just myself and many content creators out there are just a little

01:26:20.820 bit frustrated with the direction that youtube is going and there's no alternative out there yet that is

01:26:27.060 up to par with this youtube you know global adoption so it's the best option that we have but it's

01:26:33.200 it's yeah it's getting more difficult to really get your name out there and and you know get traction

01:26:38.980 and then you see other channels that do exactly the thumbnails and the clickbait and the bullshit and 0.67

01:26:43.900 short videos and and they blow right past you well in reality what they the message that they portray or

01:26:50.660 what they're saying at all is just so i mean it's you can't i wouldn't watch it just a waste of time to

01:26:58.260 watch it's pure entertainment but you know it is what it is they're milking the algorithm so all

01:27:03.340 the more power to them do you get like where do you get most of your views um views from like what's

01:27:09.460 your demographic generally is it north america is a certain age yeah north western world a large

01:27:14.800 portion of america and uh men age 25 to 50 55 yeah so it's about my age range like you don't get a lot

01:27:24.340 female viewers females no no but the funny thing is i went to the mr olympia right and i met a lot

01:27:31.140 of the core audience that watches my channel and a very large amount is women um so that was

01:27:36.720 interesting to see because i literally have like four or five videos dedicated for women you know 0.99

01:27:41.060 how to use pd safely and how to manage your libido and your menstrual cycle and that kind of stuff

01:27:45.420 um but what i think is that the boyfriend or the husband watches me in the back you know every free

01:27:51.380 hour of the day so they can learn about four and then and it's like this is this guy that my husband

01:27:56.600 always listens to this annoying bald guy with disco lights in the background right and then but you

01:28:03.720 know they hear my name echo through the through the house because they watch me on tv and uh so yeah

01:28:10.240 there is a female audience um and there's a lot of women that that still watch what my wife accomplished 1.00

01:28:16.800 you know when she was competing but it's if i look at my demographic women are like one or two percent 1.00

01:28:22.100 and and the others are men you know men around our age yeah yeah so that's what i cater towards i do

01:28:28.020 an occasional female video that's funny because because there really is no alternative and you know 1.00

01:28:33.600 like youtube is a double-edged sword because because in one sense it's a very good discovery engine

01:28:38.560 like one of the things a lot of guys will you know will say when there's problems that pop up is oh rich

01:28:44.180 you should go to another platform like rumble for example it's like okay yeah maybe um all of my

01:28:49.280 content by the way is mirrored on rumble so i already have the rumble channel and it just copies

01:28:54.220 it over automatically but there's no discovery there youtube is a discovery engine and it recommends

01:29:00.120 your content to people that don't know you you'll never get that on another platform so you kind of have

01:29:05.520 to figure out their game and then sort of play it and the problem with it i found is similar to

01:29:13.540 what steve mentioned is it is it really rewards red meat so um something's trending in the media

01:29:19.660 like let's say liver king for example there's a reason why like steve's video went viral at that

01:29:26.520 point in time on that subject and also because he was kind of the source of all of that so you will

01:29:31.800 get more views in that sense and a few extra subscribers as a result but at the end of the day

01:29:36.160 it's like you like you're somewhat chained especially when you want to grow like if you want to grow

01:29:41.440 you're somewhat chained to what you have to give the algorithms if you're okay with you know getting

01:29:48.200 less views and you're not so concerned with growth and reach or competing or anything like that because

01:29:52.600 you're happy with where you are then you can put out whatever content you want and your core audience

01:29:56.720 that already knows likes and trusts you will keep watching you anyway right so it's like you just won't

01:30:01.300 get the recommendation to the new viewers right so there's really nothing that competes out i mean

01:30:06.300 hopefully something shows up in the next few years one of the things i noticed when i got the

01:30:10.480 that uh blue badge on uh twitter yeah because um the offers was well now you can upload videos to

01:30:18.920 twitter up to 10 minutes long whereas before it was like a minute or two so we'll see if that like

01:30:24.520 opens up because one of the things i really like about elon musk is he's not there to censor

01:30:28.780 here and he's getting rid of people in the company that that really suppress information and censor

01:30:33.240 information so hopefully something comes up maybe twitter maybe it's another platform but

01:30:38.120 yeah you do have to be very careful like there's a lot of stuff that i talk about privately with my

01:30:43.140 guys that steve and i aren't talking about here right now just because it's it's going to be

01:30:48.300 you can't right like you get you get deplatformed you know yeah well look what happened to andrew tate

01:30:52.840 right yeah i was just gonna bring that up yeah you open your mouth yeah yeah you get deplatformed and

01:30:59.680 and they're trying to do the same as uh to uh jordan peterson right now by taking his license

01:31:04.880 away you know because he's very outspoken you know that's that's really just the college of

01:31:09.960 psychologists i think he's milking that more you know for the media exposure which is a very smart

01:31:14.100 angle yeah because he doesn't really care if he's licensed or not at this point right like he doesn't

01:31:17.900 need to be licensed he's bigger than he got reaches already yeah he's way bigger than that

01:31:20.840 so but yeah if you're very outspoken then then you know people are trying to bring you down so

01:31:26.960 i mean i can be very opinionated but i just keep it to myself you know how do you how do you get

01:31:33.080 away talk you know talking about the topics that you do on a platform like youtube without getting

01:31:38.100 deplatformed because you're talking about taking like drugs and peds and enhancing your physique and

01:31:42.720 you know stuff like so so a long long time ago that was a huge issue so many of the youtube channels

01:31:49.120 that talked about peds early on they got their channel deleted and then you know some of them

01:31:55.860 actually sued uh youtube because that goes against freedom of speech right and then i believe they

01:32:02.020 changed something so now it's just as long as you have a disclaimer which mine is lengthy and uh rock

01:32:08.280 solid which shows for three seconds every video is a disclaimer um you know consult your medical

01:32:15.460 professional don't do what i do i'm not a doctor etc etc etc and so far so good but i i do realize that

01:32:22.620 you know the youtube channel could be gone like this because you piss somebody off or you um a

01:32:28.640 copyright infringement right so i always make sure that all of my content that i produce is my content

01:32:33.700 not that i copy that for some or something else because you get a copyright strike you know really

01:32:40.060 really quickly if somebody wants to bring you down so there's a million ways to bring a youtube channel

01:32:44.260 down and that's always in the back of my head but i think my reputation is good enough

01:32:49.920 uh minus this little blemish that you know occurred recently i think my reputation is good enough that

01:32:55.540 if i were to start a new youtube channel that i would pick back up subscribers and followers and

01:33:01.540 and and and you know i'll be able to return sort of say so the youtube isn't the end all beetle it's

01:33:06.940 in the end it's your reputation and the love that the community has for you

01:33:10.280 that allows you to continue um but yeah i'm i'm more happy not fueling the algorithm by making videos

01:33:17.160 that i like to make and then the guys that really benefit from that that will send me an email or

01:33:22.280 donate or or show gratitude or whatever multitude times and and that's my core business you know i

01:33:27.840 like to help men level up uh in a multitude of aspects and you do the same thing right you you

01:33:34.460 try to help men level up their lives and your angle is a little bit more towards the relationship

01:33:39.600 side and the business side and my angle is a little bit more to the pharmacology side

01:33:42.840 and the training side um and and you know the core audience that really likes to watch those videos

01:33:49.000 they improve their lives and i don't need a big audience or big followers just to know that that

01:33:53.820 people are generally happy and then dude when i went to mr olympia i felt like a celebrity

01:33:58.240 it was unbelievable 10 meters five meters i walk i meet somebody who supports the channel

01:34:03.500 and that kept going the whole day i lost my voice within two days of being there

01:34:07.400 do you get that in thailand by the way or is that only in north america

01:34:10.680 no so here it's getting more and more and more because the tourists are popping in so every time

01:34:15.700 i go to the gym i meet people who watch the channels steve so yeah what's up and i you know

01:34:20.860 you talk you interact my workouts take way too long but without these guys um i would not be where i was

01:34:27.080 you know you need a multitude of these people to support you whether that's likes or comments or or

01:34:31.840 you know patreon or buying ebooks or whatever without these people to support you i would still be some

01:34:38.280 shadow coach you know making you know good money but not you know life-changing money

01:34:43.100 and yeah i always tell them you know if they try to stop me in the gym i'm like um you know i'll be

01:34:48.400 in the sauna for 20 minutes let's chop it up in there if you want to talk yeah yeah so right now i

01:34:52.860 yeah i just if people want to chat it's usually towards the end of my workout not in the beginning

01:34:58.060 i'm still enraged and i want to hit some brs yeah yeah usually i go to the gym you know a little bit 0.89

01:35:07.480 later in the day and then i got pre-workouts kicking in bitch i gotta go i gotta pre-workout yeah 1.00

01:35:12.860 so so if it's towards the tail end then yeah i'm very approachable and generous with my time 0.71

01:35:18.260 you know and a lot of guys that come here they don't know anything about thailand

01:35:21.800 so i have the general questions you know where do i buy drugs where do i get the girls and how do 0.95

01:35:27.780 i get started yeah yeah well of course because there's a lot of entertainment here but most of

01:35:33.460 them it's you know kind of sleazy and shady so i always direct them to the you know high quality

01:35:38.800 entertainment is it pretty easy as a westerner to get girls there 0.97

01:35:41.480 yes of course easy as they say let's just put it that way 0.95

01:35:47.500 yes anybody anybody no matter how ugly and fat and uh everybody can get laid here 0.52

01:35:53.540 now if you're if you're not taking care of yourself of course you're going to end up with 0.91

01:35:58.320 a woman that does the same um but if you if and if you have a little bit of game back home and you 1.00

01:36:04.060 dress well and you you present finances right it doesn't mean you have to have them but if you

01:36:09.480 present like you're financially secure it's super easy well at least from my experience when i was

01:36:14.340 still single and then now that you know the door is closed we'll probably never open again uh but

01:36:20.100 when i was single it was so easy it was almost embarrassing yeah got it all right well you know

01:36:28.020 we've had a great show we covered a lot of stuff uh i really encourage you guys to go check out steve

01:36:32.520 on his youtube channel his channel's link it's hyperlinked in the title of the video and it'll it'll go

01:36:38.680 everywhere from there so you can find him on instagram and book him for coaching and you know

01:36:42.160 definitely go through his catalog anything you want to say before we bounce steve i want to know

01:36:46.320 when you're coming over man i don't know uh ages of yes i asked your last podcast it's a 20 23 hour

01:36:55.080 flight um i will i will definitely hit you up if i'm ever in thailand there is so a client of mine he

01:37:01.100 came over i wrote it down for all the guys that live in canada and have this excuse it's a long flight

01:37:06.600 air canada has a direct flight to bangkok and it's only 15 hours 15 hours what do you is that from

01:37:14.600 vancouver or from toronto yeah for vancouver three times a week okay so 15 uh five hour flight from

01:37:21.360 toronto so yeah yeah so you're still talking about 20 hours no still 20 hours yeah plus the plus the

01:37:26.400 connection but yeah reasonable so it's i will 100 look you up if i ever go there yeah yeah yeah hit me

01:37:31.680 up we'll uh we'll do some silly jet ski stuff you know it won't be the snow or the snow mobiles but

01:37:37.600 jet skis and that kind of stuff you know the little boy toys yeah we'll definitely take it take

01:37:42.440 them out and have a good time so that's all i wanted to know um where can you where can you find

01:37:47.020 me vigor steve type it into google and you'll find me um i'm there's only one vigor steve and he's

01:37:52.660 easy to find cool all right thanks uh you know make sure you guys do all the algorithm stuff thumbs up

01:37:58.180 comment below all that good stuff and you know subscribe to steve's channel thanks for watching

Playing to Win - January 19, 2023

077 - Vigorous Steve & Male Optimization (Liver King, Sex, Muscles & Life)

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