Radio 3Fourteen - Lasers_ Cavers _ Magic

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00:00:30.000 This is Radio 314 on the Red Ice Radio Network.

00:00:45.460 We're about to hear from Stephen D. Kelly, an inventor and laser pioneer.

00:00:49.680 He's worked in the defense industry and founded SK Industries,

00:00:52.760 the producer of LAW-17 laser aiming systems used by law enforcement and military.

00:00:57.720 He was a contractor for the NSA and has worked on projects for the CIA.

00:01:02.300 During this time, he was exposed to ETs, beam ships, alien politics, and technology.

00:01:07.800 This led to deeper contact with secret groups, including Templars and Bilderbergers.

00:01:12.420 Hello, Stephen. How are you today?

00:01:15.420 I'm doing great. How are you?

00:01:17.420 Not too bad. Dealing with some strange energies as the year is starting to wrap up.

00:01:22.600 Yeah, mercury and retrograde and all that going on right now, I think.

00:01:29.460 Yeah, it could be pretty intense.

00:01:31.140 Well, you have an interesting story, and I think it's a good idea to first begin with your professional background.

00:01:35.940 Maybe you can tell us about you as an inventor and laser pioneer.

00:01:39.020 Then we can get into the interesting specifics.

00:01:40.880 Well, I worked for many years in the electro-optics industry on the glass elements that go into the lasers

00:01:51.760 and a lot of the electro-optical systems from the military and fusion and micro-orthography

00:02:00.420 and all these other areas that took off with the advances in those areas.

00:02:08.820 Now, when I went into my own, I probably got recruited by the CIA really early to do some work with them,

00:02:20.400 and this led to other adventures with what turned out to be the NSA,

00:02:24.800 and that led to a big contract for making solid-state lasers.

00:02:28.240 And this was back when solid-state lasers were kind of a new thing on the market.

00:02:33.780 The CD players were just adventing, and they had gone from the big glass tube lasers

00:02:39.280 to the little tiny semiconductor lasers.

00:02:44.180 And so I got this contract with what I thought was the CIA turned out to be the NSA,

00:02:51.120 and it was for something like 40,000 of these lasers that they were going to be using in weapons.

00:02:57.080 And target designators and target designators and all these things that we weren't really aware of.

00:03:03.220 And that made me one of the biggest producers of these things in the world for some time.

00:03:09.360 But that led to a falling out with them, and that's what started my journey in the metaphysical path.

00:03:18.420 I still had my laser company going and went on to invent several products that kind of revolutionized the industry.

00:03:27.980 The Chinese got involved.

00:03:30.100 I'm sorry, how were you approached by the NSA or the CIA?

00:03:33.300 Well, they kind of keep an eye on people involved with the lasers and the high technology.

00:03:42.100 They're looking for people that are going to come up with new developments,

00:03:46.960 and they try to monitor and control those fields quite a bit.

00:03:54.040 At least that was my original thought.

00:03:56.580 It turns out later on in the future that I would find out that they actually have the technology

00:04:01.980 to know what people are going to do in advance, and they know who to keep an eye on.

00:04:06.140 How did you find out about that technology?

00:04:10.340 Well, that wasn't until many years later when I was exposed to some of the more secretive agencies.

00:04:19.220 You know, they're dealing with the time travel and the aliens and all that sort of thing.

00:04:26.080 Did you witness any of these projects?

00:04:30.560 When you say projects, several attempts were made to get me involved with places like Area 51 and whatnot,

00:04:41.360 but I resisted.

00:04:43.400 I stayed close.

00:04:44.620 I had a family and six kids, and I wasn't going to disappear off into the desert.

00:04:50.620 But I did do work locally on quite a few things and developed tactics and systems for these people.

00:05:01.660 So at what point or specifically, what events triggered your suspicion of the people that you were working for?

00:05:06.580 Well, the big epiphany was when I was sitting down one day with one of the bosses of the NSA people,

00:05:16.800 and he was telling me about these admissions that they would do in Honduras,

00:05:21.980 where they would go in there and they would surround the village and kill everybody

00:05:25.180 and wipe out all the men, women, children, animals, dogs, pigs, goats, chickens, everything, 0.92

00:05:30.640 and they would dig a big hole of the bulldozer if they would fly in,

00:05:35.080 and they'd scoop everything, push it into the hole and cover it up.

00:05:37.980 And I realized right there that these people that I was working for were not such good people.

00:05:46.360 That caused me to have to go back and reevaluate all of my feelings about the country

00:05:50.980 and what constituted good and evil and everything else.

00:05:55.900 So that was the beginning of the journey and getting on to the path.

00:06:00.720 And it only got even more interesting after that.

00:06:04.360 Yeah, you said you became involved with the group who you refer to as the Cavers.

00:06:07.940 Can you talk about them?

00:06:10.640 Well, before that happened, after I was dealing with the NSA,

00:06:14.700 I got involved with the Billy Meyer people and the Pleiadians

00:06:20.280 and all of their information and technology that they were distributing through Billy Meyer.

00:06:25.800 And this caused the scrutiny of the CIA and the various secret agencies to intensify.

00:06:34.060 And ultimately, this led to another...

00:06:38.080 Well, it led to me developing some methods or some theories

00:06:42.040 on building of these beam ships and alien propulsion technology and things like that.

00:06:50.060 And that got me basically in a situation where they were trying to get me out into Area 51 again,

00:06:59.740 this time a little more intense.

00:07:01.580 They were throwing a lot of money around and trying to entice me with money.

00:07:06.920 And that fell through as soon as I figured out who this was that I was dealing with.

00:07:12.040 And subsequently, that led to another involvement with groups that were even more secretive,

00:07:20.880 such as the Templars and Bilderberger types.

00:07:25.400 And I call these people cavers because they tend to operate out of these big bunkers

00:07:33.800 that they have built all over the place.

00:07:36.100 Did you see the bunkers?

00:07:37.080 I know where they are, and I'm going to get into that subject when I do this event.

00:07:45.820 I promise that I wouldn't divulge too much prior to this alchemy event.

00:07:49.820 That's pretty much what I'm going to be wanting to focus on,

00:07:53.440 is my experience with these cave dwellers and the nature of some of these bunkers.

00:08:00.100 And, you know, there are some of these things that are right out in the open that people see every day

00:08:05.000 and they have no idea what it is.

00:08:07.140 And that's really what I want to do is point it out to them

00:08:10.540 and kind of wake them up to the existence of these things.

00:08:14.940 From what you saw, what role do the cavers play?

00:08:19.380 Well, they are the rulers of the world.

00:08:21.820 They are our custodians.

00:08:24.060 They think that they are gods among men, that they walk among us like giants.

00:08:29.780 And they truly feel that they are righteous and that they have our better interest at heart.

00:08:37.380 Their methods are less than loving, to say the least.

00:08:42.440 They tend to be associated with the dark side.

00:08:48.540 And from what I understand of the politics of the aliens and the various entities that are out there,

00:08:57.280 they basically fall into two camps, the service-to-self people and the service-to-others types.

00:09:03.340 So these caver types, these Templar, Illuminati, Bilderberger people,

00:09:11.340 tend to fall straight into the service-to-self camp.

00:09:15.420 How much interaction did you have with the cavers?

00:09:20.060 It got to the point to where originally I was dealing with them through other people.

00:09:27.220 They were actually going through a recruiting process with someone else,

00:09:31.100 bringing someone else into the Templars.

00:09:33.340 who was expected to be a high-ranking person.

00:09:38.840 And I had been involved in briefing this person during his indoctrination.

00:09:46.080 And this came to the attention of the people that were doing the recruiting.

00:09:50.540 And they decided that they needed to meet the people that were talking to their recruit.

00:09:58.280 So I had basically personally became involved with these people,

00:10:05.160 had face-to-face meetings and at least several occasions where we would, they would.

00:10:12.420 Well, I mean, we talked for quite a bit prior to having the face-to-face,

00:10:18.080 but once it got intense and they realized that we knew what was up,

00:10:23.880 they figured that they really needed to try to get me involved with them and get me on their team.

00:10:29.560 Needless to say, that didn't happen.

00:10:33.660 I wonder why they're underground.

00:10:35.560 Do they know something we don't know?

00:10:39.340 Well, I'd like to, naturally, yeah, these are bunkers that are there for protection.

00:10:45.200 But in a way, it's very much like the medieval feudal society.

00:10:50.560 The peasants, you know, in their dirt huts were still the peasants. 0.75

00:10:54.500 And the castles are just as elaborate as you can imagine they were in the old days,

00:10:58.940 only now they're underground and they're even more spectacular than you could imagine.

00:11:04.800 Yeah.

00:11:05.740 So when you did these projects and you had contracts,

00:11:08.680 did you have to sign a gag clause by any chance?

00:11:10.900 No, there was never any kind of a contract, you know,

00:11:16.280 because basically I did have contracts when I first got involved with these NSA people.

00:11:21.840 I had a contract written up, you know, spent $1,000 to have an attorney, put something together.

00:11:27.320 And they basically flat out said they didn't care if the contract was a foot thick.

00:11:33.020 It didn't matter.

00:11:35.220 They could get out of anything they wanted to.

00:11:37.100 You know, and that proved to be the case.

00:11:41.940 But as far as the gag clause, it wasn't until I got involved with these Templar Bilderberger types 1.00

00:11:49.260 that they came up with their real technique for doing that,

00:11:54.400 and that is they try to, they put you in the military.

00:11:57.460 They give you a title, a rank.

00:11:59.920 They make you a major or something like this,

00:12:02.100 and then you're essentially beholden to them.

00:12:05.040 You don't have any rights, but that doesn't really make any difference now

00:12:09.780 because since the Patriot Act has gone into effect,

00:12:12.520 they can take you away, you know, without any recourse anytime they want.

00:12:18.500 So you said you had a falling out with the NSA.

00:12:21.000 So what happened there?

00:12:21.800 Well, first of all, they, you know, when I had that sit down with them

00:12:28.820 and I heard about these running around, you know, the way they would run around

00:12:32.360 and kill these people, I knew that these were not good people.

00:12:36.380 And it became clear to me that their intentions were not genuine. 0.96

00:12:41.000 It was, I had something like a $2 million contract with them,

00:12:44.440 and they had no intention of actually paying the money.

00:12:46.900 They were out to screw me over from day one,

00:12:51.280 and I had to work it out, work out the deal in such a way

00:12:57.380 that I could extricate myself when the time came.

00:13:03.320 And eventually that's what happened,

00:13:05.560 and I ended up with a lot of product, laser, you know, materials

00:13:12.200 that they had, you know, inventory that I had to essentially take

00:13:18.400 in order to recoup my losses.

00:13:21.380 And I thought for a good year or so that they were going to probably try to hurt me

00:13:26.820 as a result of that.

00:13:28.280 Needless to say, it didn't happen.

00:13:29.760 And that seemed to be a reoccurring thing

00:13:34.320 because when I was dealing with these Bilderbergers and the Templars 1.00

00:13:38.160 and that, I, you know, at least a couple times,

00:13:40.760 I thought for sure that I had stepped over the line

00:13:44.480 and that they would do something, but they never did.

00:13:48.440 Yeah, I heard you mention you said you were in the can't-be-killed club.

00:13:51.980 How did you make it in that club?

00:13:52.460 You heard that on the internet.

00:13:53.560 Yeah, how did you make it in that club?

00:13:55.080 They said that. That was their words, not mine.

00:13:56.480 Oh, it was. Okay, okay.

00:13:57.660 Yeah, that's not a challenge, everybody,

00:14:02.700 but I've got to warn anyone that would try to take me up on that challenge

00:14:07.120 that the results might not be too positive for that person.

00:14:11.900 Well, during your work, did you see or hear of any exotic technology

00:14:15.480 or consciousness technologies?

00:14:18.860 Well, that's an interesting point because, needless to say,

00:14:22.720 yeah, I was very much involved in trying to come up with alternative technologies

00:14:27.120 and, you know, things involving light mostly.

00:14:32.320 One of them was a plasma beam, we called it.

00:14:34.840 It was essentially a big flashlight, but I was working on ways to use it

00:14:38.540 for disabling people as well as modulating the beam in such a way

00:14:43.440 to actually turn it into a destructive device.

00:14:46.880 But during the Clinton administration, I was asked by these Templar people 1.00

00:14:54.200 to come up with some sort of device that could be used to fight aliens.

00:14:59.580 And I don't know if this was a ploy to get me to focus my energies

00:15:04.500 and work with these people on their team,

00:15:06.840 but the end result was that I realized that psychic powers

00:15:13.340 were the only thing that could really be effective for that kind of application.

00:15:19.960 And that's when I really turned over into the metaphysics community

00:15:25.280 and started focusing on developing my own psychic skills.

00:15:30.120 So did they actually identify themselves as Templars?

00:15:32.300 Well, when the person that we were dealing with was going through the recruiting process,

00:15:38.680 we didn't really know what the nature of these people were.

00:15:41.540 We just thought it was some sort of a secret agency.

00:15:44.340 And back in those days, you know, we knew about Area 51 and some of the, you know, the spooks.

00:15:51.940 To me, they were just spooks.

00:15:53.420 But when the guy was going through his recruitment process,

00:16:00.960 he was basically told to start studying the history of the Templars,

00:16:05.460 and he was actually shipped off to, told to go to fly over to the Isle of Malta for his initiation.

00:16:12.960 And he went, that's where he went through the secret Templar rituals.

00:16:17.100 And, you know, that's a story unto itself.

00:16:20.220 I mean, everything you've heard about the head of John the Baptist and everything else,

00:16:25.160 it's all true.

00:16:26.060 They really do all that stuff.

00:16:28.700 And when he came back from that, he wasn't really our little, you know,

00:16:35.640 person that we were briefing anymore.

00:16:37.220 He was a full-fledged Templar at that point.

00:16:39.340 And he had swallowed the whole thing, hook, line, and sinker.

00:16:43.680 And this includes the concept of polytheism and all of the elitism that goes with that.

00:16:52.080 So we kind of lost him at that point.

00:16:55.020 He became one of them.

00:16:56.580 Let's also get into the UFO phenomena.

00:16:58.820 What can you tell us from what you saw when it comes to aliens and also government-built crafts?

00:17:04.880 Okay.

00:17:05.280 Well, first of all, the U.S. government, per se, isn't really building saucers.

00:17:12.300 We have a small fleet that we got out of a treaty when they made the deal with the little grays after Roswell. 1.00

00:17:19.960 And, again, there are two sides to this whole thing politically.

00:17:26.020 There's, you know, the STOs and the STS.

00:17:28.100 And so these entities, for the most part, operate out of a level of reality that's different than ours.

00:17:39.680 It's in a higher level of density, as it's called.

00:17:42.780 We're in the third density.

00:17:43.940 They're in the fourth density.

00:17:44.940 And those entities tend to fly beam ship craft, which are very sophisticated and which I believe are using manufacturing techniques beyond what we're capable of doing here on Earth as of this time.

00:18:02.040 Now, the Germans were developing craft that were able to attain light speed and this sort of thing, but they were using a technology developed by Victor Schauberger, which is really interesting technology.

00:18:20.880 Of course, here in the United States, we have our own research on that type of propulsion that was performed by Townsend Brown, Robert Townsend Brown, I believe his name was.

00:18:35.380 And we are using ion drive propulsion in some of the vehicles like the stealth bombers have this.

00:18:45.320 That's, of course, secret.

00:18:46.680 I know that Boeing has been wanting to incorporate some of this technology into the commercial aircraft, but the government has decided that it's not, you know, the public isn't ready for that sort of thing yet.

00:19:01.640 But my personal, because I was working very extensively with fine silver, and I developed a lot of theories about how these crops were actually constructed from fine silver because of the molecular nature of the silver ions and silver molecules.

00:19:25.080 And because I'm involved with the semiconductor lasers, I was also developing theories about the utilization of that technology for propulsion and perhaps even a fusion source for a reactor on board.

00:19:42.660 And then later on, you know, more recently in the 2000s, I was working with a project that actually used silver, fine silver as a lasing media for generating ultraviolet laser light.

00:20:00.940 And to me, that was fascinating because it showed how you could essentially turn the surface of a beam ship that was made out of silver into a massive laser, which to me makes perfect sense because if you're trying to push something at the speed of light, the only thing that will move you at the speed of light is light.

00:20:26.420 Sounds logical, right?

00:20:30.420 Yeah.

00:20:31.380 So do you think the government is staging alien abductions?

00:20:36.500 The government isn't really doing the alien abductions per se.

00:20:40.240 The treaty with the, the thing about the service to self entities with respect to the greys and the reptoids is that they require a human blood product, which is their food, 0.77

00:20:55.580 which is part of their food, which is part of their food, the other half of their, their nutrition comes from a human psychic, negative psychic energy.

00:21:04.180 Like the archons.

00:21:05.060 Yeah.

00:21:06.020 Yeah.

00:21:06.360 The, the opposite of love, exactly.

00:21:08.100 And so, so basically part of the treaty that they made with these entities was to allow them to harvest so many humans and so much livestock and what have you and to, to do research and to trying to come up with some alternative.

00:21:26.260 And from what I understand, that's the big thing over there at the base in New Mexico, Dulce, is that, uh, their, their primary focus is to try to come up with a, uh, synthetic substitute for the human blood that these aliens tend to, uh, uh, desire.

00:21:43.960 Have you ever had any stuff?

00:21:46.160 Yeah, that is.

00:21:47.040 Have you ever had any alien encounters?

00:21:48.800 Uh, I've had some encounters with some individuals that, uh, that appeared human to me that I had really had to wonder about.

00:21:59.720 So, you know, whether or not they were clones or, or, uh, shape shifters or what, I don't know.

00:22:06.420 But, uh, for the most part, the spirits and what have you tend to, uh, avoid me.

00:22:13.500 You also mentioned you were exposed to alien politics.

00:22:16.920 Can you tell us about that?

00:22:18.800 Well, the thing about the alien politics, you know, first of all, of course, you know, this business with the service to self and the service to others, that's, uh, that is a very big part of it.

00:22:30.340 You've got to, uh, get, you know, that's kind of like this, uh, Republicans and Democrats, I guess, if you want to look at it that way, you know, white hats and, and, uh, and black hats, uh, very much a yin and yang type of thing.

00:22:43.480 But even within the, say, like the Pleiadians, uh, there are, uh, different factions and, and, you know, they are human and, and, you know, they are human and there are, uh, there are clones and there are actually, uh, bad guys amongst them.

00:22:57.280 Uh, you know, uh, you know, what, what they would consider criminals, uh, and then of course, you know, there's, there's something like 8,000 different entities, uh, out there and so many of them that are coming here.

00:23:09.560 So, it's important to, to understand this because people will, they, they look at, uh, any kind of an alien, they just assume that it's a benevolent, you know, it must be, uh, higher intelligence, therefore, it must be only one, you know, to do good things.

00:23:26.420 And that's not always the case.

00:23:29.020 So, what I've, what I've learned to do is, um, take everything with a grain of salt, every bit of information and never assume that anything is 100% correct.

00:23:39.120 Of course.

00:23:39.860 And when it, when it comes to, uh, painting one side as being the good guys or the bad guys, you've got to give everybody the benefit of the doubt and never assume anything.

00:23:50.020 So, even the guys that I think are most likely the, the, the good guys, I still have to, uh, kind of withdraw, uh, my final judgment.

00:24:00.880 Yeah, I hear a lot of people talk about a galactic federation and it, it gives me the creeps because it makes me think of a different kind of new world order just in space.

00:24:09.120 Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's true.

00:24:11.880 And, you know, the thing is, is that when you look at what's supposed to be the good side, uh, even when you advance into this fourth density, you've got, uh, psychic skills abound.

00:24:22.780 You've got, uh, somewhat of not, I'm not going to say mind control, but when everybody can read everybody's thoughts, you know, you've, you've got to control yourself.

00:24:30.480 And it's, uh, um, there, it's kind of a collective type of, uh, um, uh, policy and it's, um, it's definitely different than what we're used to now from an individual standpoint.

00:24:43.980 And, uh, so it's hard to say, is that, is that really a good thing?

00:24:49.820 But, uh, you know, it's all perspective, I suppose.

00:24:54.380 Yeah.

00:24:54.420 You mentioned the Democrats and Republicans a little while back and nowadays they're pretty much the same thing.

00:25:00.380 Yeah.

00:25:00.860 Yeah, that's for sure.

00:25:01.760 That's true.

00:25:02.240 So, yeah, well, this is the thing about this level of density that we're on is that everything's all about, uh, polarity and they use this in, in just about anything.

00:25:12.360 And, uh, you know, when we look at these two sides of, of issues, they're always two sides of the same coin.

00:25:19.280 It's always, uh, manufactured.

00:25:22.300 It's, it's definitely not reality.

00:25:25.260 Now you were exposed to the Billy Meyer case, right?

00:25:29.100 Uh-huh.

00:25:29.500 Yeah.

00:25:29.780 Okay.

00:25:30.040 So what do you know about this?

00:25:31.040 Pretty much so.

00:25:31.280 What do you know about this case?

00:25:32.140 Because I know one of his sons was basically, I watched a YouTube video.

00:25:35.560 He was saying that some of it was actually made up.

00:25:39.180 Mm-hmm.

00:25:40.040 Well, again, you know, you have to take everything with a grain of salt and, and I'm not going to swear that, that that's not the case.

00:25:46.720 Because I've, I've certainly seen the, uh, the information that people have put out there debunking what he has to say.

00:25:53.260 But, um, one of the biggest indicators of the validity of what, what was going on over there was the, uh,

00:26:02.120 the massive increase in surveillance and, and, uh, spy activity that I had to deal with after coming into contact with these people.

00:26:11.520 So that was, you know, so that was, you know, there was certainly something going on.

00:26:15.960 They don't go to all that trouble to investigate and, and, uh, all the, all the resources to start, you know, following you around for the rest of your life just because of a hoax.

00:26:26.620 Mm-hmm.

00:26:27.800 So, and the other big thing was that, uh, the material that was allegedly provided to Billy Meyer by the, the Palladians that was fine silver and it was analyzed by a, uh, researcher from IBM.

00:26:41.760 Uh, the, the, from what I know of what he was seeing in this sample, and bear in mind, this is a very, very tiny sample.

00:26:52.220 Uh, this gave me insight into the, uh, mechanics of how, how these things were being built, you know, because even though it was a tiny, tiny little piece of silver, it had, uh, what they were describing as microscopic machining.

00:27:08.220 And, uh, what I later realized was actually, it was assembled, uh, molecule by molecule.

00:27:15.640 And it's, it's basically no different than a, uh, than a semiconductor, only the resolution and the detail is, uh, far beyond what we're capable of doing at this time.

00:27:28.840 I also wanted to ask you about the jump room to Mars.

00:27:31.560 I don't know if you've heard about it, but there's a group claiming to have gone to Mars.

00:27:34.860 And were you privy to any info like that?

00:27:38.220 Well, uh, from what I understand, most of that, uh, is, is actually, uh, based over there in Long Island, New York, over at, uh, Montauk.

00:27:48.960 And, uh, there's, you know, I've, I've actually know people who were involved in those projects.

00:27:55.260 Uh, I know a physicist in London who worked, uh, closely with Al Bylock over there in Montauk.

00:28:01.660 And, uh, so I've, I've heard about these things.

00:28:04.880 And from what I understand, it's essentially like, uh, stepping into an elevator only, uh, when you open the door, you're on a different planet.

00:28:15.440 Right.

00:28:15.840 So, yeah, they have these things.

00:28:17.760 You know, they've got them, they've got one on the moon, they've got one on Mars.

00:28:20.480 And, uh, we, we call that phase shifting, actually.

00:28:25.320 It's, um, the technology is not that, uh, strange.

00:28:29.140 But, uh, when you understand that, uh, everything in the universe can be identified in the form of a sine wave,

00:28:38.360 then it's the manipulation of that sine wave, that signal, is, is what it's all about.

00:28:45.180 So, when we talk about a phase shift, it's like you take the whole sine wave and just kind of pick it up

00:28:50.900 and set it down in a slightly different position.

00:28:53.920 And that's, that's how that works.

00:28:56.680 Just to go back to Malta real quick, do you think the orders from the NSA or the CIA come from Malta?

00:29:02.060 Uh, well, again, you know, if you, you know, you want to get down and dirty, um, if you, if, the, the deeper you dig,

00:29:12.580 you know, there's so many different organizations out there, you know, the CFR, the, uh, Trilateral Commission,

00:29:18.720 the Bilderbergers, all these groups, the Masons, the, uh, Illuminati, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:29:23.940 Um, it's, it's, it's like a big giant corporation and the, and these are all subsidiaries, uh, and, and arms of this corporation.

00:29:35.160 And then when you get to the real power structure and you get, you start getting past humans,

00:29:40.660 you get into fourth density entities and, you know, the reptoids and, and, and, and those guys

00:29:47.060 and their whole power structure and political structure.

00:29:49.640 Uh, but then if you go beyond that, you, you ultimately reach, uh, Satan.

00:29:56.120 Now, whether you believe in Satan or not is, is irrelevant because they do.

00:30:01.460 And that's who they report to.

00:30:03.920 But so, yeah, ultimately that's who's in charge here on the earth.

00:30:07.800 And, uh, supposedly that's all about to change and that's what this transition is all about.

00:30:13.920 You mean 2012?

00:30:16.920 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:30:18.300 And, and, and bear in mind, 2012 is just a number.

00:30:22.520 Time is, uh, time is like a rubber yardstick, you know, it can be manipulated.

00:30:28.360 So, uh, so you can't really go by these, these numbers because they're, they're kind of artificial,

00:30:33.880 but it's, it's coming soon.

00:30:36.880 So any other things you may know of and want to mention?

00:30:41.840 Uh, well, I mean, I could go on all day.

00:30:44.280 I, I, I would say that, uh, the, the thing with psychic power is, is really extremely important.

00:30:52.840 And, uh, and when, and I, if you get to the point to where you know anything about these, uh, these spy guys and these spooks,

00:31:01.560 you'll find out that, uh, to them, it's very important.

00:31:05.960 And, uh, you know, with all the technology and the alien technology and everything else,

00:31:11.240 ultimately these, uh, brain power skills, these psychic skills tend to be more powerful than anything that, uh, that we can build.

00:31:21.020 Yeah, that's right.

00:31:22.300 So where do you think technology is going to be in 10, 20 years from now?

00:31:27.100 You think America is heading for a...

00:31:29.000 Well, again, you know, uh, that's assuming, you know, how transition is and whatnot.

00:31:33.360 But, uh, if I had to, uh, um, if, if I had to say what, what, uh, direction actual technology is going to say, go,

00:31:42.560 well, I would say that, uh, the discovery of the, uh, alternate spectrum of the, uh, scalar waves will be a big deal.

00:31:52.700 Uh, the electromagnetic spectrum is what we're primarily dealing with right now with all of our electronic devices and,

00:31:59.320 and, uh, uh, everything else.

00:32:01.580 All of our technology is pretty much based on the electromagnetic spectrum.

00:32:05.260 The, uh, future will involve utilizing, um, the scalar waves, which, uh, are kind of an alternate, uh, spectrum

00:32:14.560 that, uh, runs kind of parallel to the electromagnetic spectrum.

00:32:19.760 And the thing about scalar waves is that they travel faster than the speed of light.

00:32:24.660 They are essentially instantaneous, and they're also, uh, 1,000% efficient.

00:32:31.320 So, basically, you, this means if you're sending a scalar signal to a device, that device can

00:32:38.220 basically be energized and powered by that signal.

00:32:43.920 And you could probably power all the devices.

00:32:46.220 Say, like, if you had a scalar, uh, TV, for instance, you could probably run all your appliances

00:32:52.120 off of that TV, scalar cell phone, whatever, anything like this.

00:32:56.480 But the thing about scalar waves, again, and this is, you know, what I really want to ultimately

00:33:01.860 focus on, is that this is the same energy that is produced by our brains and our thoughts

00:33:07.940 when we are using our, our psychic skills.

00:33:11.460 Uh, when we do healing, uh, when, when I'm using Reiki to, uh, do healing, the energy that

00:33:19.540 we're using, that we're moving with our hands and our minds is actually a scalar energy,

00:33:24.560 uh, that, um, that can essentially do magic.

00:33:29.500 It's actually energy that works in a, in this fourth density.

00:33:33.660 Uh, so it's, it's really important to learn these things.

00:33:37.380 Yeah, you said the result of these experiences led you to develop psychic skills.

00:33:41.640 Can you explain more of what you mean by that?

00:33:46.160 Well, again, this, this originally started out with this desire to try to come up with some

00:33:51.400 method of dealing with the, uh, alien issue or the, uh, invasion of, of, uh, malevolent

00:33:57.780 aliens.

00:33:58.960 And, uh, that's when I realized that the, the human brain was way more powerful than, than,

00:34:03.560 uh, than a device.

00:34:06.020 And, uh, this is when I got involved with the, uh, metaphysical community and the love and

00:34:11.040 light crowd.

00:34:12.340 And, uh, start exploring my own psychic skills and learning about the, uh, you know, the esoteric

00:34:17.400 mysteries and, and everything else.

00:34:20.700 And, uh, as a result of this, uh, I've learned about the nature of energy, uh, chi, prana.

00:34:28.760 I, you know, I understand, you know, Hindu culture and the pranic healing as well as the

00:34:33.080 Asian culture and the nature of chi, uh, acupuncture, acupressure, uh, Reiki and all of this sort

00:34:41.300 of thing.

00:34:42.680 And, uh, in the West, we refer to this, this, uh, phenomenon as magic in the Eastern cultures.

00:34:50.580 They look at it more in a, uh, more as a spiritual, uh, psychic, uh, uh, process.

00:34:58.400 So we are very, we are very, very powerful in this, um, this density that we're getting

00:35:05.140 ready to move into this higher level of reality, these, these, uh, skills are going to become

00:35:11.400 very important and they're going to become, uh, a very big part of, of our lives.

00:35:17.260 So it behooves us to master them as much as possible, uh, so that when we do, uh, reach

00:35:25.300 this stage, uh, this point that we will be able to, uh, to utilize these skills and we'll

00:35:30.580 be able to help each other, uh, because most of the people, when we go through this process

00:35:36.720 are going to be terrified.

00:35:38.440 It's, you know, the, uh, reality is something that people hold very dear.

00:35:44.900 And when you thrust a new version of reality in their face, they're going to freak out.

00:35:50.060 What do you think is creating or prompting this change into a higher density?

00:35:53.540 Well, it's an evolutionary process and this goes on, uh, many, many, many times.

00:36:01.180 The earth goes through periods, which are actually epochs and the epochs last, uh, oh, something

00:36:11.480 like anywhere, 23,000 years, I believe is, is the, uh, the period of the epoch.

00:36:16.860 And, uh, each time, um, I guess what a couple of ways of looking at this, the earth passes through

00:36:22.280 a, what they call a photon belt.

00:36:24.680 And, uh, the photon belt is essentially information that comes from the center of the universe,

00:36:30.060 which you could refer to as source or, or, or dot, whatever, however you prefer.

00:36:37.020 And, uh, and we go through these evolutionary processes and, and advance.

00:36:41.840 And this is the nature of the universe.

00:36:43.280 It's constantly, uh, we're constantly working ourselves back up the pyramid, so to speak.

00:36:48.180 Mm-hmm.

00:36:49.660 Well, it definitely feels like a...

00:36:51.260 We've been through this.

00:36:51.780 Yeah.

00:36:52.120 We've been through this many times.

00:36:53.440 Yeah.

00:36:53.580 It does feel like we're at the cusp of something.

00:36:55.960 It's a, it's a tougher energy, especially the last few months.

00:36:59.460 I don't know if you're, you've been feeling that, but I certainly have been.

00:37:02.140 Well, I certainly did feel a big change right at the beginning of 2012.

00:37:07.740 You know, it was almost like as soon as January 1st rolled around, the, uh, I noticed right

00:37:12.480 away changes in my life.

00:37:14.380 I, I was sleeping less.

00:37:16.360 I was having more crazy dreams.

00:37:18.400 The energy was really strong.

00:37:20.620 Uh, and I don't eat as much, which is kind of weird.

00:37:23.800 And that's, that's indicative of the increase of energy flowing through the body.

00:37:27.540 Your, your nutrition needs are becoming more, uh, more of a spiritual need than, than the

00:37:35.140 physical.

00:37:35.760 Yeah.

00:37:35.920 I hear you on that one.

00:37:36.700 It's funny.

00:37:37.140 I'm experiencing the same thing right now.

00:37:38.860 It's kind of a hassle to eat, but then you have to keep the flesh bag alive, you know?

00:37:44.500 Yeah.

00:37:44.940 I haven't even lost weight.

00:37:46.300 I barely eat two meals a day now.

00:37:48.280 I can go, you know, sometimes just one meal a day and I don't even lose weight.

00:37:51.860 It's what's up.

00:37:52.700 I don't understand that.

00:37:53.760 So do you think things are going to get a little easier as we go into 2013?

00:37:58.580 Is there going to be some kind of breakthrough or a separation?

00:38:01.700 This is one of the reasons why it's important for us to develop these skills, these psychic

00:38:06.800 skills and spiritual skills, because a, we need that for protection.

00:38:11.780 Uh, we need to have a, uh, uh, spiritual protection.

00:38:15.800 Uh, the other thing is also is that we can manifest.

00:38:19.280 We can bring, uh, changes into our lives and into our realities now that will be based

00:38:25.960 on our, our thoughts and our ability to create and manifest.

00:38:30.980 So it's important that, uh, you know, of course, enlightenment requires knowing about everything,

00:38:36.920 good, bad, and ugly.

00:38:37.600 But at the same time, you want to focus on the positive things and try to manifest the

00:38:43.180 good things in your life.

00:38:44.160 In other words, if you're, you're watching the news and you're thinking about all the

00:38:48.000 negative possibilities, you're going to manifest those things in your life.

00:38:52.940 So you really need to, uh, elevate your consciousness, so to speak.

00:38:57.980 So how do you think this is going to work with these energies and also the control system?

00:39:02.100 Are they going to clamp down tighter or are we going to become more free of them?

00:39:07.600 Well, there is a struggle going on between these two sides and, and I would like to think

00:39:14.200 that the, uh, that the love and light energy is, is going to overcome the other.

00:39:20.740 Uh, that's certainly going on.

00:39:22.620 What, what the earth will be like afterwards is, uh, is a matter of, uh, perspective.

00:39:28.600 But the number one rule right now, and this is really important for everybody because you've

00:39:34.220 only got so much time to do this and that is to become more service to others than service

00:39:40.700 to self because this graduation process, if you, uh, when we go into this transition, we're,

00:39:47.860 we're going to basically have to choose which side we want to go on because in this higher

00:39:52.580 level of density, these, uh, two sides don't coexist.

00:39:56.320 They, they only do that on this level that we're on now.

00:40:00.160 So you want to, you want to be on the good side.

00:40:03.100 You need to be at least 51% service to others.

00:40:06.720 Otherwise, I can't promise you that it'll be a fun life.

00:40:11.380 But then again, I also feel too, that so many people need to get their own house in order

00:40:15.420 and they need to take care of them, their own self.

00:40:17.660 And if everyone took care of their own self, then maybe we would be in a better place as well.

00:40:21.720 You know, it's hard to take care of others when you yourself aren't, aren't whole.

00:40:28.180 Well, that's, uh, that's that whole spiritual thing.

00:40:31.080 And again, you know, like, uh, I guess from what you're saying, you do need to love yourself,

00:40:36.060 you know, before you can serve others, you do need to love yourself.

00:40:40.640 And, uh, I, I suppose in one way you could put that is that you need to control your ego.

00:40:46.500 And when I say control your ego, that doesn't mean that you have to stop thinking that

00:40:51.560 you're wonderful, uh, because yeah, you do have to love yourself and it helps to,

00:40:56.600 to accept that you are wonderful, but you have to stop caring about what people think about you.

00:41:02.960 And I know so many people are self-conscious.

00:41:05.420 They have issues about their, uh, their body or their, how they dress or their, their, uh,

00:41:10.960 economic status.

00:41:12.720 And you just got to get over that.

00:41:14.640 You know, you've got to become humble and you've got to address your ego.

00:41:17.920 And that is the first step to spiritual and psychic growth.

00:41:23.800 Well, speaking of economy, a lot of people are worried that the dollar is going to crash

00:41:27.780 or things are going to go to hell in America. 0.85

00:41:29.380 What are your thoughts?

00:41:31.840 Well, of course that's, uh, engineered and, and, uh, you know, they've been feeding it to

00:41:36.480 us by the spoonful.

00:41:37.440 So I guess you could say it's already gone to hell.

00:41:40.120 You know, the dollars since the federal reserve came into, uh, play, I think our, our money

00:41:46.060 has lost, uh, 98% of its value.

00:41:49.220 So, so yeah.

00:41:50.340 And obviously when the, uh, oil producing countries stop selling oil in dollars, the, the house

00:41:58.060 of cards will fall down and obviously they don't like it when, you know, you look at Libya

00:42:02.740 and Iraq, those are good examples of what happens when a country decides that they don't want

00:42:07.940 to sell oil for dollars.

00:42:10.160 Uh, Iran is another example of what, uh, what happens when you, uh, decide that you don't

00:42:16.600 want to deal in dollars.

00:42:17.620 So, so yeah, it's, uh, it is a house of cards and it's very unfortunate.

00:42:23.320 I would have liked to see Ron Paul have gotten elected and, uh, things are not looking up,

00:42:29.700 but at the same time there is a struggle going on between the, these, um, space hippies, the

00:42:35.340 white hats and the Illuminati.

00:42:37.580 So what do you mean space hippies?

00:42:39.800 Can you tell us about them?

00:42:42.360 The, uh, well, the, um, you know, there's a couple, you know, as far as the, like the

00:42:48.440 metaphysical community is concerned, they, they talk about the Galactic Federation and they

00:42:53.420 say that the Galactic Federation is essentially coming here to, uh, to, to save us.

00:42:59.060 And, and those would be the service to other entities.

00:43:02.100 And they even go so far as to say that the, uh, supreme commander of the Galactic Federation

00:43:07.820 is actually Jesus Christ and on and on.

00:43:11.240 Uh, uh, you know, this is all very interesting.

00:43:13.940 Um, and, and from what I understand, uh, with the, uh, weapons systems that are being utilized

00:43:21.800 and, and, uh, some of the, uh, skirmishes that are allegedly taking place right now, yeah,

00:43:28.960 clearly the Illuminati is defending itself against the, uh, the Palladians and, and those 0.89

00:43:35.240 human type aliens that are coming here now to, uh, put an end to their reign. 0.98

00:43:40.760 Do you think disclosure will ever happen?

00:43:44.800 Uh, I think that you want to hear what I'm going to say coming this Saturday, because I

00:43:51.400 think that I will be disclosing something that will probably, uh, take the lid off of

00:43:56.080 it all.

00:43:57.200 Yeah.

00:43:57.620 You mentioned something that, uh, the Alchemy Conference, that's what it's called, right?

00:44:01.100 Yeah.

00:44:01.220 They're going to be turning off the live feed during your talk.

00:44:03.440 What's the reason for that?

00:44:05.320 Well, you know what?

00:44:06.320 I actually convinced him to turn the live feed on.

00:44:08.980 I mean, they're still going to close the doors when I do it, but they're, they're going

00:44:12.320 to turn the live feed on because there's no sense in, in keeping the information from

00:44:16.580 everybody.

00:44:16.940 We want to get it out there quick as possible to as many people as possible.

00:44:21.400 And for my safety, if anything.

00:44:23.780 So what are you up to these days?

00:44:27.100 Uh, well, you know, I keep a pretty low profile.

00:44:29.900 I'm certainly not, uh, well, okay, I, I won't, I take that back.

00:44:34.200 I do lectures and I, and I get out there.

00:44:37.000 This thing at the Alchemy event is going to be my first really big, uh, public, uh, you

00:44:41.600 know, meeting.

00:44:42.620 But I do, you know, I do speaking.

00:44:45.260 Uh, and I, I teach Reiki.

00:44:47.100 I teach the healing and I do that.

00:44:48.680 But, and I, I try to, uh, donate my time as much as possible to serve others.

00:44:53.780 Tomorrow I'm going to actually go to a old folks home and to massage old, old people. 1.00

00:45:00.560 So that's, that's, you know, that's kind of the walking the walk, you know, if you know

00:45:06.620 what I mean.

00:45:07.720 Also, tell us about your book, Lasers, Cavers, and Magic.

00:45:11.140 What's it about?

00:45:11.760 Oh, well, uh, well, the title kind of indicates the process that I went through.

00:45:17.900 You know, obviously the lasers represented my business.

00:45:20.900 Cavers is the, uh, association with the, uh, the Bilderberger types.

00:45:25.360 And then magic is the, the, the, uh, going into the, uh, um, the, uh, Reiki and, and all

00:45:33.800 that sort of thing, the healing and the psychic development.

00:45:36.680 Uh, I wrote it about a year ago.

00:45:39.440 It took about a month to actually write.

00:45:41.660 It's 121 pages.

00:45:44.160 I, uh, actually, uh, I wanted to get it done really quick in time for this, um, uh, conference.

00:45:50.580 And I was helped out by TJ Morris, so I'll give a plug to TJ Morris.

00:45:55.280 She's, uh, my publisher.

00:45:57.320 She does a lot of blog, talk, radio, and what have you. 0.90

00:45:59.580 She's kind of a big name out there in the community. 0.96

00:46:02.240 But, uh, she helped me get that thing done pretty quick.

00:46:05.260 And I'm not trying to make, you know, a lot of money.

00:46:07.720 This money is not what it's all about.

00:46:09.780 You know, I would like as many people as possible to go to lulu.com and, uh, pick up a copy.

00:46:16.240 Uh, because the information in there is, uh, pretty extensive and there's a lot of things

00:46:23.360 in there that I talk about that are extremely inflammatory and, uh, uh, enlightening in a

00:46:30.940 disclosure kind of way.

00:46:33.500 So, yeah, that would be really great if, uh, the more people that could get that in their

00:46:38.120 hands, I think the, uh, quicker my message is going to get out there and less chance that

00:46:43.200 they're going to make me go away a la Bill Cooper and Schneider.

00:46:49.060 All right.

00:46:49.400 The Alchemy Event Conference is this weekend, actually week and weekend, 16th, 17th, and

00:46:54.600 18th in Irvine, California, alchemyevent.com.

00:46:58.240 Thanks, Stephen, for sharing your story.

00:47:01.520 Thank you.

00:47:02.320 Thank you for having me.

00:47:03.480 All right, everyone.

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Radio 3Fourteen - November 14, 2012

Lasers_ Cavers _ Magic

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