RadixJournal - October 20, 2026


The Odyssey, chapters 13-16

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00:00:00.000 all right well we can get started on this one uh i've selected a few passages that we can read
00:00:11.360 together um most of them are actually from chapter 13 and then uh one from chapter 16.
00:00:19.840 you know it's funny this this is a pivotal section and i i think it is good to break up
00:00:29.980 the odyssey into four chapters it's um in most translations it's i don't know 50 to 75 pages so
00:00:40.040 it's definitely readable um but but but also there it the the four chapters do line up with
00:00:50.200 pivot points or sections within the text this one is a sort of laid-back section at least in terms
00:00:58.740 of action um we don't have any cyclopses or witches or trips to the underworld that was
00:01:07.040 last time and not a whole lot happens but it is definitely setting up the second half of
00:01:18.040 the Odyssey which will involve Odysseus's return home his disguising himself as a beggar
00:01:27.540 and then reuniting with Telemachus and then ultimately defeating the suitors and so
00:01:34.300 in these few chapters we are ending the kind of bookended narration where Odysseus himself is
00:01:44.960 telling the story of what happened to him and his crew uh he's back with the Phaeacians in
00:01:52.640 Sharia and uh King Alcinus um Alkinus lots of mispronunciations Alkinus we'll call him
00:02:02.360 uh will eventually send him on his way um the phaesians are really the expression of the
00:02:10.860 the ultimate expression you could say of xenia and in the way that they have treated 0.89
00:02:15.680 odysseus and they'll send him home with as much booty as if he just came back from the trojan war
00:02:24.480 he will then go into a deep sleep and end up on the island of Ithaca he doesn't recognize Ithaca
00:02:35.180 at the very beginning because Athena has put a mist around the island and she doesn't want him
00:02:43.780 to wake up too soon and give away the game because actually he is in danger if he's been in danger by
00:02:50.520 the cyclops and other terrifying monsters he's now in danger by men and politics and
00:03:00.300 courting etc it's it's the real world dangers that might be more dangerous in fact than these
00:03:09.600 terrifying monsters that he has avoided uh he meets um oimaeus who is a loyal um swineherd
00:03:23.260 a pig farmer you could say and you learn a little interesting backstory um that he was um
00:03:32.880 the son of a uh he's a he's a prince basically but a sort of secret prince and he was stolen
00:03:40.220 by a phoenician woman the phoenicians reappear here a few times we i i do agree that the
00:03:49.540 phaikians who are or phaiseans who are a legendary people are a sort of stand-in for
00:03:57.260 the phoenicians but the phoenicians proper are mentioned as well um uh athena uh meets with
00:04:06.000 odysseus richard i wanted to there is uh that may sort of support this theory as well um
00:04:13.580 ithaca is often the name ithaca is thought is thought to be of phoenician origin interesting
00:04:21.280 um now there isn't like a founding myth really that uh similar to thebes where we have a phoenician
00:04:29.360 founder with cadmus yeah there isn't something equivalent to that uh the founder who is like
00:04:34.980 ithacus or something the the eponymous founder of ithaca is said to be the son or descendant of
00:04:42.240 Poseidon interesting um so he he disguises himself as a better beggar and he actually
00:04:52.560 tells a couple of different lies he even lies to Athena and I wanted to read that passage because
00:04:58.740 they're Athena and Odysseus basically um um find some camaraderie of we're a bunch of old liars no
00:05:07.460 one could best us at being mendacious uh very interesting and then he he's basically attaching 0.51
00:05:14.900 himself to crete in these new guises that he's taking on because he is fooling he attempts to
00:05:23.660 fool athena and that doesn't go very far he successfully fools uh oimaeus and then for a time
00:05:31.120 fools telemachus uh his son until he reveals himself uh there's a little bit of a discursion
00:05:38.680 in these passages where athena travels back to sparta and tells um telemachus that it's time to 0.98
00:05:45.840 go home and she gives him some good guidance of avoiding the uh pirates basically sent to kill
00:05:55.660 him by the suitors um I don't quite know what to make of it but um Theo claim there's a man named
00:06:03.660 Theo uh Clemenas who is a blind seer and a sort of fugitive from the law he's he's killed a man
00:06:15.340 but a kind of prophet stows away on Telemachus ship as he returns um as I mentioned uh
00:06:24.580 odysseus will eventually reveal himself to telemachus and uh they will share a great
00:06:32.940 deal of love it's it's it's vividly described as you know they're outpouring of tears and so on
00:06:38.760 it's um as if the nest of a bird of prey had been sacked and they had lost all of their eggs
00:06:47.740 and so i i guess there's a sense of odysseus and telemachus having lost all this time
00:06:54.720 you know telemachus was a baby when uh when odysseus left for troy it's been 20 years he's
00:07:00.480 now a young man and telemachus never had a father and odysseus never had a son and they're sort of
00:07:08.100 reconciling um while both of them are becoming men but anyway um telemachus informs odysseus
00:07:18.180 of the 108 suitors and their servants and so on and you see the beginnings of the plan
00:07:27.160 to kill each and every last one of them uh which uh odysseus is very confident can be done
00:07:35.600 uh telemachus not so much uh and uh there's even a scene here that um at the end of chapter 16 0.89
00:07:43.360 where penelope who's uh you know equally good at lying as odysseus is overhearing um antennas
00:07:52.880 and some other of the suitors who are just basically outright planning to kill telemachus
00:07:58.800 one of the more honorable suitors is saying that well we can't really do this now zeus himself
00:08:04.720 told us to I would do it in an instant but we can't just do this willy-nilly or for our own
00:08:10.280 ambition so I guess there is some gray areas in the suitors even though they are the
00:08:18.160 the villains and the upcoming victims of Odysseus so there it is that that that's a concise summary
00:08:29.020 of what's happened in these in these four chapters it's um again it whereas there's almost too much
00:08:36.820 to talk about last week maybe there's not enough to talk about this week uh but it is a kind of
00:08:44.340 pivot point it sort of sets up this big story that's occurring in the second half of the odyssey
00:08:53.900 um we move away from this you know embedded narrator uh situation and in effect homer is
00:09:03.500 narrating the story in a um you know easily intelligible way and uh so yeah it's a very
00:09:12.620 important section in the sense that it sets up everything that comes afterward but uh it's a
00:09:19.400 little bit more laid back than uh you know all of these great episodes that we read last or last
00:09:27.700 time that are you know are fraught with meaning and are iconic and classic and all that so um
00:09:33.900 anyway there it is uh I don't know if anyone has any um you know any questions or mark do you want
00:09:41.520 to start to kind of like jump into anything I I have worked out a couple of sections that we can
00:09:46.980 read, but you can go for it if you want to get your opening thoughts.
00:09:52.660 I thought it might be useful to return to our last session with the Odyssey.
00:09:58.340 And because it was a question was raised or an idea was raised by one of the commenters
00:10:05.540 that I found compelling.
00:10:07.420 And I don't know if he had done some research outside of this class.
00:10:11.240 So maybe he he's aware of what I'm going to say, but I think it's it's worth kind of
00:10:15.280 Making the point to the rest of the class, does the Cyclops, the one-eyed Cyclops, have some sort of solar significance?
00:10:23.160 In other words, the idea that we put forth on the last call was that maybe he's a kind of demonized caricature of, like, the Apollonian priest, right?
00:10:34.940 He's got a flock. He's this big sort of Dungoyim-type character, it would seem.
00:10:41.280 So does the eye have a solar significance, and does he become a caricature of the Apollonian priest, for example? 0.78
00:10:49.360 And there also we would contrast him with other priests that we encounter in the Iliad that are blind, that are also priests of Apollo and Thebes, such as the seer that he encounters in the underworld.
00:11:04.140 So what is the significance of that?
00:11:07.220 And, of course, also this one is blinded.
00:11:09.820 That's how they escape.
00:11:10.780 they blind him so it's an act of blinding and i think fire is involved as well like there's fire
00:11:16.700 involved in the show the spirit itself has fire yeah yeah so fire is used basically to destroy
00:11:22.920 the eye so all these things are kind of interesting to us from on a symbolic level they're interesting
00:11:28.280 to us the element of fire people in the class know the significance of that we can associate it with
00:11:34.140 we can even associate it with hermes but first we associate it with hephaestus and even the name
00:11:39.940 Hephaestus is used in poetry as a synonym for fire.
00:11:44.360 So that's how closely he's tied.
00:11:46.960 So maybe there's some significance there.
00:11:49.180 In the sort of canon of Greek mythology, we have the idea of Hephaestus being the master
00:11:56.060 of Cyclopses.
00:11:57.180 So the Cyclopses are sort of like his servants, effectively, in his forge, which also may
00:12:05.180 be significant in some ways. 0.52
00:12:07.280 So it's showing this sort of proto-Jewish God dominating what might end up being these kind of caricatures of non-proto-Jewish Hellenic or Aryan figures, essentially.
00:12:19.540 But what I would say, though, is that there is some proof for the idea, or there is some speculation, I should say, that is compelling.
00:12:29.100 Adelbert Kuhn is a German philologist of the 19th century.
00:12:34.000 and he put forth this idea and he's going off an etymology given by Hesiod which uh you know
00:12:42.100 sometimes this etymology is considered a folk etymology folk etymologies in my view are very
00:12:48.000 relevant so what a word actually what a name or word actually meant in its origin is almost less
00:12:55.000 relevant than what the poet thinks the name means and that what other people think the name to mean
00:13:00.520 So the meaning of the name, you know, even if it is ultimately derived from a folk etymology, these folk etymologies are still relevant, is what I'm arguing, especially when you're looking at art on a symbolic level, because really you're trying to figure out what the artist is saying.
00:13:18.240 So if the artist is giving this meaning to the word or name, then we should consider folk etymologies and so forth.
00:13:25.080 In any case, Hesiod's, it's also kind of ridiculous because Hesiod is, in theory, one of the first poets ever to utter the name Cyclops.
00:13:35.920 Now, I mean, of course, there is this idea that, you know, maybe for hundreds of years, this is a kind of culmination.
00:13:43.900 Homer and Hesiod is a kind of culmination of earlier myth tradition and so forth.
00:13:47.600 and all that can and may be true. But nevertheless, I think that Hesiod would probably have a pretty
00:13:54.340 good idea as to the meaning of what the name Cyclops meant. In theory, someone like Homer
00:14:00.160 or Hesiod could have invented the name, right? In theory. Again, folk etymologies have value
00:14:05.680 and might have the most value in some cases. But he says that the name Cyclops means
00:14:12.560 circle eyes, or wheel eye, which is interesting. So Adelbert Kuhn takes this idea and says,
00:14:20.340 this may suggest them as solar figures, because the wheel has a very close association with the
00:14:26.180 sun, as does the symbol of the eye. So we have in Indo-European mythology two motifs. We have
00:14:33.080 the sun as the all-seeing eye. It's the all-seeing eye. Not only can it see everything, it reveals
00:14:38.860 everything we think of the delos the visible so it's revealing everything we're seeing everything
00:14:44.060 with the eye because the light that it admits of course the wheel is also associated with the sun
00:14:50.220 through the chariot wheel and the and that this is a kind of indo-european trope so it's not just
00:14:56.740 apollo it's not just helios it's shamash it's surya in the vitus and so forth that's the guy
00:15:05.040 And I think it's a compelling one.
00:15:06.800 So the idea is that the I means circle I or we lie, we lie, which I think would give it the most punch in terms of understanding that maybe the I has a kind of solar significance.
00:15:18.020 Yeah, it cooperates our reading of 2001 as well.
00:15:24.160 And I also agree with your.