00:10:30.720He just, like, and when you step back and you look at how all this happened
00:10:34.880You know, he basically was doing the art of the deal the whole time
00:10:38.660where he was saying, I'm going to take it. I'm going to take it. I'm just going to be mine.
00:10:41.460It's mine. And he's scaring everybody and he's panicking everybody. He's putting all this
00:10:45.260tension on the situation, right? Like he he's, and he kept, kept up the pressure. Like, you know,
00:10:51.260we'd go away for a little while while we'd be talking about other things and then he'd bring
00:10:54.280it back and he'd be like, I'm still going after Greenland. And so he, I'm sure that if you put
00:11:00.020yourself in the shoes of Denmark and Greenland, they're like, you know, worried about what might
00:11:04.440happen, and probably wanting to make a deal to avoid, you know, losing the whole country,
00:11:10.040basically. And so, you know, this, this is basically, it is the win win to an extent,
00:11:16.700but it's really lopsided on our side, because we got everything we wanted, and we didn't have to
00:11:21.540pay anything for it. And we got control, I would say, over almost every important issue we care
00:11:26.700about in that country, we got control over, like investments in the country, we have veto power
00:11:32.040over other countries investing in greenland and not i don't think it's just military i think it's
00:11:36.980like economic like energy investments like we can say no to that and and they greenland can't
00:11:43.900say no to that like and the same thing with military they cannot veto if we say we want a
00:11:48.520new military base here they can't they agreed they can't say no to that so we basically got
00:11:53.500everything we were looking for and we didn't pay anything for it and they do benefit so it's a good
00:11:59.160deal for them because they get free military protection. But to Marcel's point, we don't
00:12:05.500have to pay for any support. We don't have to take over the payments that Denmark makes to
00:12:09.960Greenland every year to keep them going because they don't really have enough of an economy to
00:12:13.680keep themselves going. And so we don't get any of the bad parts and we get all of the good parts.
00:12:20.020And another thing I saw in one of the stories about this is we already had a deal for the
00:12:24.680rare earth mineral rights that some US companies had bought the rare earth mineral rights. So we
00:12:29.060got the rare earths we got military protection and we got you know investment control over
00:12:35.620energy investments so like everything we would care about it's just all there and it's like a
00:12:40.280huge win and yeah for sure and it's in perpetuity like it can't go away so it's not like uh another
00:12:48.140president in greenland can make this go away or you know nobody can make it go away it's it's there
00:12:54.540forever. So, um, I guess unless we want it out, but why would we want out? Um, so that's pretty
00:13:01.260fricking amazing. And congratulations to president Trump and everybody who worked on this deal.
00:13:08.320Um, it's, it's a win-win for everyone. And, you know, I'm sure the news will spin it in a bizarre
00:13:15.760and crazy way, um, which is actually going to have me come to you, Marcella about the news.
00:13:22.620And, you know, so we know over, I guess it was Friday or over the weekend, President Trump has now banned CNN, MS Now and Politico from coming into the White House to report.
00:13:38.140You know, the news will say, well, it's because they write bad stories about him and blah, blah, blah.
00:13:43.360But, you know, there are two sides to this story.
00:13:45.780And, you know, as someone who is so disgusted with what we call our news organizations in
00:13:53.640this country, I don't blame him for, for this.
00:13:58.060And we're going to find out from Marcella in a minute, if it's constitutional and if
00:14:01.820it will hold up and this and that, but you know, it is, it has become propaganda to just
00:14:11.560He gives them more access than anybody. And then they'll not write the truth. They'll spin it. They'll leave important details out. And the thing that is upsetting about that, why I am all for free speech, is that it's dangerous what they're doing to the country because it can sway the people, a nation, a world, how they spin news into propaganda.0.51
00:14:38.520And I know all news is propaganda at some point, but the hysteria that's come along with it can be dangerous.
00:14:45.460Like you think about, you know, calling people, you know, terrible names because they're not into the gender affirming care.
00:14:53.220And like your kids can become suicidal and like people pushing, you know, one narrative and COVID and the narrative they pushed on that.
00:15:02.980They'll leave that story out, but tell you something with a spin that it's horrible.
00:15:06.760So I can see the frustration and, you know, maybe part, I'm just ranting right now, but maybe part of it, it's like, you know, he could have an incentive to do this now before the midterms, which valid because you want to get the good news out there and you want the people to feel good about all the wins happening and you're not going to find them in your basic news people because they're not reporting them.
00:15:30.160so marcella is it constitutional was it the right move um what do you what's your take on it so
00:15:38.000there's two sides to the story there's the persuasion side and the legal side the legal side
00:15:43.280makes it not legal um unconstitutional based on the way it was done so there's no um there's a
00:15:51.520case the president said in 1977 i'm sure all of you know but i will remind you cheryl b night
00:15:59.840and basically what cheryl b night said is that there's no general public access to the white
00:16:05.680house from anyone so there's no constitutional right for us to access the white house on free
00:16:10.960speech matters but the government already has created a voluntarily press facility within the
00:16:18.080white house once you create that you're allowing them in and so there's a first amendment as well
00:16:24.080a fifth amendment right due process and first amendment free speech not to be denied arbitrarily
00:16:33.120to that axis it can only be denied for compelling reasons like let's just say at one point or another
00:16:40.320sam ibn laden wanted to be a press person or something like that you are able to deny him
00:16:46.080not on what he's going to write but on the fact that he would be basically a terror um a danger to
00:16:52.480you know compelling reasons danger so the issue would be that what how it's been decided and
00:17:00.240there's been cases i i don't know if you remember bob what's his name acosta um jim had jim there
00:17:09.040you go oh i remember jim had a lawsuit from cnn because he was denied access um and that was in
00:17:16.8002018 and you still get so he was denied access without any process and so the court in that
00:17:23.760particular case which was a trump appointed judge said that you can't do this white house
00:17:30.000because you don't give him a process where you're just going to limit him so one of the things that
00:17:36.880all of the cases that have come down from the dc circuit um or claiming that it's all based on
00:17:45.120reasonable, compelling reasons, but also there needs to be a process, a notice time, uh, time
00:17:51.360for them to answer back. And then on top of that, there would have to be, it can't just be a viewpoint
00:17:57.760perspective like, Oh, I don't like you CNN. So therefore I don't like what you write. So therefore
00:18:04.960I'm going to limit you. So that's where it hits the first amendment. Like if he said they smell
00:18:10.240and that's a compelling reason or they're dangerous then he can't bring them in but he
00:18:16.000has to have one a process two he has to have a non-neutral compelling reason um which he doesn't
00:18:25.920have here and you know like i said before on different people he knows that he has many he
00:18:33.440he has more lawyers than, than a law firm has. Um, so he's aware of this.
00:18:39.180He's doing this. It's the two movies on one screen thing he's playing to the
00:18:43.960base. He's showing, uh, literally, uh, he's making the other side fear him.
00:18:50.180And then on the other side, he's actually kicking them out of the house and
00:18:54.660letting them know you're not going to do this to me, you know, and see, and
00:18:58.800maybe in a way he's also trying to see what, where he can go with Cheryl B.
00:19:03.080night and have that be reviewed one of the things that i noticed about president trump is that he's
00:19:08.680always pushing the envelope with cases and having the supreme court re-review things and do things
00:19:15.480like that so does this president trump know all this of course he does but does he do it yes
00:19:22.280because he's pushing the envelope he's doing it to see where he goes and like kind of setting
00:19:27.640a scene and an example all of it is a lot of optics so i saw okay he's playing to the base
00:19:33.980right and i i would just say like i i'm not a lawyer you probably know this much better than
00:19:39.680me however i do think there is a lot of supreme court precedent on the other side i think there's
00:19:44.980at least three different cases where they have said you don't have the right to gather information
00:19:49.600that's not part of the the first amendment it's it's you can report whatever you want you can say
00:19:54.760whatever you want according to those free speech guidelines but gathering the information there's
00:19:59.160no entitlement to that in the first amendment he said that too he said you can write whatever you
00:20:03.880want but you can do it from the street you can do it from wherever and information that's about
00:20:09.740access to the white house right but that's not protected by the first amendment that's what i'm
00:20:14.500saying it it's it's not not protected but the reason that it is acquired to them is because
00:20:21.760if you're going to have a press room in your White House, like let's say, let's say for whatever
00:20:28.380reason, Erica wanted to have a press room in her house, which is weird, but I do want access. And
00:20:34.160so once you give that type of access, then what the court has said is once you give that access,
00:20:40.420you cannot therefore go by, you know, by certain viewpoints. You can't buy and ban certain people
00:21:17.200because he's he's the one that opened up access to the right if you remember the white house
00:21:22.600correspondence association was this exclusive club where they decided who was allowed into the
00:21:27.580white house and they got to just make those rules themselves and trump said well that's bs why would
00:21:34.260they get to decide and he opened it up to places like breitbart and gateway pundit and all these
00:21:39.080other even independent you know journalists and so they were already butthurt about that but
00:21:45.540And that now it's like, you know, once he's trying to make his own decisions about that, I don't think there's any, you know, no one, no one said what the White House Correspondents Association was doing was illegal.
00:21:55.840No one said that they were, you know, depriving the right in an illegal way or unconstitutional way of who was allowed.
00:22:07.360And so I don't see any problem with the government doing the same thing.
00:22:11.340And I don't know what law would say you have to follow a particular process than you have to do it. And in terms of viewpoint, I at least think there's an argument to be made that it's not just he doesn't like what they said. I think it's also they're lying. They're misleading the public.
00:22:28.020It's like propaganda. And it is harmful. And it is a compelling reason, in my opinion, that if you have an outlet that is outright lying and trying to subvert the government, that that is a compelling reason to say, you know, if you're not telling the truth, and if you're misleading the public, then I think I at least have the right to say you're not doing it from inside the White House.
00:22:48.280you know maybe the first amendment lets you say whatever you want but i don't have to let you in
00:22:53.980to get the information you can do it just like everybody else in the public has especially in
00:22:58.520the oval like he doesn't have to let anybody in the oval or he could i mean yeah you mentioned
00:23:03.300the oval the oval um the dc court has decided that in the oval and in closer like at the airplane
00:23:11.100with him near his presence there there is more reasonable um where the the president has access
00:23:20.640to say who's near him who's not right but the the the main thing is actually the press room room
00:23:27.200and that would be a different story so it's always not really what they're writing but
00:23:33.260what the access is and whether you've limited the access on other people besides these people and
00:23:39.540then did you do a process? So like Owen was saying, maybe they are not truth seeking and
00:23:45.660that's why I'm banning them and they're dangerous. What the court will say is, well, then you
00:23:49.880have to give them a procedure. There has to be a process, a notice process, a rebuttal
00:23:54.640process, a reason, a compelling. And that's what they've always indicated in all of the
00:23:59.720cases in regards to access. Now, during the process, can the people be stayed out? Like
00:24:06.760he can keep them out while the process is happening while they're deciding yes okay i think
00:24:11.720that's up to those judges along the way though because they're you know that's what i've seen
00:24:15.500happen is that there's injunctions there's you know like if they think it's an emergency or for
00:24:21.920whatever reason that they have to be allowed access then they'll say oh you can't do that
00:24:26.160until we figure it and i know the other part they usually look at is who's likely to win
00:24:30.620and then they'll they'll put an injunction in place to say okay we think you're gonna win so
00:24:35.800we're going to go with your side for now and then we'll decide later if it you know once we've heard
00:24:40.120the whole case if it changes now i don't i don't know how it's going to play out in this case but
00:24:44.600i think um you know if i wouldn't be surprised if again the circuit court says you did something
00:24:51.380wrong and we're going to let them back in in temporarily and then but you know getting back
00:24:58.200to the political side that marcella was talking about i also think like that is the other game
00:25:02.920And that's probably the more important game. Frankly, it's a political thing. It's calling attention once again to the fake news, calling attention once again to how he's being treated unfairly. All this drama plays right into Trump's agenda. Even the court case, like it just it all brings more attention to the fact that CNN might not be telling you the truth and MSNOW might not be telling you the truth.
00:25:24.460And so I think it all benefits Trump. He has two ways to win, as Scott would say, that even if he loses the case, he still wins because he brings all this media attention to the fact that he thinks, at least, that MSNOW and CNN are treating him unfairly and are lying and are misleading the public.
00:25:42.620And so he's going to win even if he loses.
00:25:47.220One interesting thing is they have to report CNN, MSNOW have to report on, and I think political, they have to report on Trump calling them fake news and how they're lying, which is something they've avoided.
00:26:00.260So it's kind of like he's making, he's forcing them to talk about this.
00:26:03.640Well, this is like, to me, this is like a, also a win for the news because they like to point out that Trump is a dictator, right?
00:26:11.340So they're just like, oh, look, he wants to silence the press.
00:26:34.760He tried to ban Fox News from the White House and he lost.
00:26:38.760so yes um you know so it's like let's not pretend like the democrats are so clean because i mean
00:26:46.360even that dsa pos in maine if you know you know um the socialists you know fox news tried to ask
00:26:54.960him a question oh fox news i'm not talking to you i'm not talking to you like he's already doing
00:26:59.580that so it's like let's not pretend this doesn't happen on both sides um jim acosta personally
00:27:05.540you know, I was like, let's go with the Acosta name and the Acosta because he was absolutely
00:27:11.520a disgrace when he was reporting in the White House. I thought he should have been thrown out
00:27:17.480long before. But, you know, in my mind, I'm just like, well, when these people are in the in the
00:27:22.720press briefing room, don't talk to them. Don't take any of their questions. Just let them sit
00:27:27.680there because they're going to report whatever they want anyway. So don't call on them to give
00:27:32.340them their own soundbite, just kind of ice them out and let them report whatever they want. But
00:27:36.980the base of the new people that watch this news are going to love this because it's proving to
00:27:43.760them that Trump is a king and a dictator. So that's where I think it might backfire because
00:27:49.680his base already knows and loves this. But the people that we need to hope will still vote for
00:27:58.100Republicans, this is a good op for the left, I think. So we're going to have to see how it plays
00:28:03.980out. And Owen, what were you going to say? Well, I was just saying, I think, frankly,
00:28:10.480Obama was much more of this dictator type when you really look at what he did. I think he tried
00:28:15.880to prosecute journalists. He tried to go after them pretty hard. And so I just think it's not
00:28:22.400unprecedented that this stuff happens and um you know again i like i said i kind of would predict
00:28:28.560that at least the first court case on this which of course is coming very quickly um then you know
00:28:34.960yeah the trump administration will probably lose the case but i i do think they should appeal it
00:28:40.260all the way to supreme court and i think they have at least a good argument i i mean i don't know if
00:28:43.800the win and might go the way that you're saying it went in the past where they'll say yeah it's
00:28:47.760have a process you have to do that you know and but i i do think there is at least a good argument
00:28:53.420that says there's nothing in the first amendment that says you're allowed access to the white
00:28:57.080house there is no legal basis for them to claim that they have access to the white house and
00:29:02.160they're entitled to that or even that it has to be some kind of like bare thing like i i don't
00:29:07.900know that there's anything that says you can't choose who you let into the white house i mean
00:29:11.840that's to me it's it's just not protected by the constitution and i don't know if there's any other
00:29:17.480law that allows for that. And I understand you're saying, well, once you've done it,
00:29:21.980you have to follow a process to undo it. But if there's no legal basis for it, why does there
00:29:25.940need to be a process? Well, we're about to really find out because with people like Stephen Miller
00:29:31.740and everybody else, this will go as far as they can take it. Yeah, Marianne, put them in a separate
00:29:38.080room. I just say, while they're there, if you don't like them, don't call on them. Ice them
00:29:43.680out. They don't get to come into the Oval Office anymore. They can sit in the press briefing room
00:29:48.340and play Scrabble on their iPhones. That would be funny if you just created like an overflow room
00:29:53.980and you just put all the CNN and MSNOW people in there and they had a closed camera feed,
00:29:57.580but they couldn't ask any questions. They would love it. It'd be even funnier if you had like a
00:30:02.060live feed of them just watching them watch from the sidelines. If it didn't give them material,
00:30:09.560that's the thing but it it does give them material this is like i can just hear them all now you know
00:30:14.980i can see jake tapper with his face like this is a disgrace and like everyone's so offended it's
00:30:20.820like again i think i think that plays to trump's too i mean it's both it it helps both sides i
00:30:26.140think trump obviously wants this to be a headline he wouldn't do this if he didn't want the headlines
00:30:31.180so who's watching cnn and ms now it's just their base it's not gonna i don't know they're they're
00:30:37.480just going to carry on more and make people at the end of the day I hope Trump doesn't succeed
00:30:43.620because not because I don't like Trump I love Trump but it he's not going to be the only president
00:30:50.200there's going to be democrat presidents that are going to and like Owen was saying before they
00:30:55.340didn't allow um other media like Breitbart and other uh conservative media to the to the press
00:31:03.580So maybe with this case, maybe he is in a way 40 chess in the future. So it's very clear what is allowed so that the next president can't disband this whole notion of having conservative press. There could be maybe he's thinking outside the box, I guess.
00:31:27.760Yeah, I guess. Well, you know, we'll see how it plays out. But interesting. I mean, listen, I'm all for it, but that's just my opinion. Okay, so I'm going to move on to, I think what I want to do first, because I was trying to decide which order. So tomorrow, Mark Mitchell will be joining us again. He's formerly from Rasmussen Reports, now with his company called The Honest Polling Company.
00:31:52.240and um i think it's i want to play a clip of him today so we don't take up the time doing it
00:31:59.220tomorrow i want to be able to just talk to him tomorrow and you know you have to understand
00:32:04.140he's just talking about the data um i know some people were upset last time like oh you know
00:32:11.460you're trying to black pill then this and it's it's not it's it's not about me and you that are
00:32:17.240going to vote for Republicans, again, straight down the ticket. There's a big issue with the
00:32:23.000midterms of independents not voting with Republicans anymore, actual socialists who voted for Trump
00:32:32.520this last time, mostly middle class people, and Trump's losing a lot of the men. His numbers with
00:32:40.400men has dropped a lot, uh, under 40. Um, and this is basically because of economics in my opinion,
00:32:48.460because people just can't afford things. So I want to Sean, you're one of the people that
00:32:55.980wanted him to come back on. I'm reading your comment. That's funny. Um, so I want to play
00:33:00.680this clip of him on Bannon and it's like a five or six minute clip, but let's like really listen
00:33:07.200to what he's saying clear your heads just listen to what he's saying so we know who have we have
00:33:14.400to talk to um about voting for the midterms otherwise we're going socialist okay so if we
00:33:21.080don't convince people and we don't come up with a plan the plan's going to be socialist so just
00:33:27.080let's pay attention here we go or church you walk you walk us through it any way you want to walk
00:33:33.460us through it, sir. I think this is the most important chart I've ever had you put up on the
00:33:37.800show. And I think really Republicans need to step back and take a look at this because they don't
00:33:43.300understand public opinion. Now, personally about me, you know me, I'm a right wing guy,
00:33:47.860but I'm on Team America. My job is to represent the voters, not any political party. And so for
00:33:54.800the last year and a half, I've been pounding my fist on the table, trying to give them advice,
00:33:58.660trying to help them govern in a way that americans will appreciate it you know we will get the things
00:34:05.040that americans ask for out of trump's mandate and i'm telling you it's been like pushing on a noodle
00:34:10.100it's been really tough and at this point the polling does look like the republicans are going
00:34:15.040to lose pretty pretty decently i mean that just says what it is i can't sugarcoat it that's not
00:34:20.320what i'm here to do but this chart really explains why and so what you're looking at is one of the
00:34:25.600most important questions you can ask. And it's YouGov data, but it's because they have so much.
00:34:29.300It's such a really great time series here. Is the economy getting better or worse? And as you can
00:34:35.540see, going into the COVID period during Trump's first term, people were basically split on whether
00:34:41.340the economy was getting better or worse. And then all of a sudden, Americans got a really big wake
00:34:46.840up call. They got a bucket of ice cold water dumped on their head. They had COVID and they
00:34:52.080had the government response, massive bipartisan bailout stimulus bill, closing of all of the
00:34:59.020small businesses across the country, everybody going to Walmart. And then this massive run-up
00:35:05.120of asset prices caused by the way that we handled this crisis. And what happened is economy getting
00:35:11.540worse, shot up from basically the low 20s all the way up to 60. That's that red line there.
00:35:17.280And it's been there the whole time. So now a lot of people are saying, well, Republicans deserve to win because Biden caused this mess or because, look, we have a 5.1 percent GDP all of a sudden or the stock markets at record highs.
00:35:30.460I don't know what to tell you. There's been a K-shaped recovery. Americans, you know, the people who aren't the wealthiest 1 percent essentially, have just absolutely been pounded by everything.
00:35:41.180And you can point to the CPI. But this is about decades of wage suppression. This is about asset inflation and the cost of housing. It's about the fact that they have to pay 400 bucks every time they want to fill the refrigerator. It's not about eggs and gas prices. It really isn't. I mean, you know, the gas price is an unfortunate symbolic thing right now. But this is about people paying like rent size checks in order to have health care. And then they still have a $10,000 family deductible.
00:36:07.580Like, these are the problems that Republicans have to figure out how to fix if they want to win. So that red line, if you trace it, dipped two times. And the only two times, the only thing that affected Americans' opinions that the economy was no longer getting worse was the inauguration of Biden and the inauguration of Trump.
00:36:26.460And what that means is that people were hopeful that they voted for somebody new this person was going to come in and fix the economy.
00:36:33.580And as you can see with the Biden situation, it didn't help at all.
00:36:37.140It went from like 30 all the way back up to 65.0.99
00:36:41.040People were like, no, no, this guy, he's retarded.1.00
00:36:45.680And right around that spike there in the red line right in the middle of the graph is when basically people decided, no, we made a mistake.
00:37:50.700They're going to be able to run on the Dow hitting $50,000, and they're going to be able to run on these investments that are going to pay off over a 10- or 20-year timeline.
00:38:00.160Americans aren't feeling this anymore, and we're not in the country where everybody is a binary red team, blue team voter.
00:38:07.700So here's what I've been saying for a very long time, and I want to say it again.
00:38:12.220Americans are probably going to vote for socialists this time.
00:38:16.020Now, America is not like they don't want to be a socialist country.
00:38:19.440People think we're a capitalistic country, but they also think that the traditional conservative parts of capitalism have failed.
00:38:27.980This idea that we can continue to run on art laugher and Reaganomics and tax cuts for corporations and that eventually people will realize that that's the principled position and that we need to go back to that or everything else is socialism.
00:38:40.300Those days are past because Americans are increasingly becoming socialistic out of desperation.
00:38:45.780And if you want to beat socialism, the only alternative is to focus on rebuilding the middle class every day.
00:39:05.200They wanted accountability and reform for the federal government, drain the swamp, waste, fraud, and abuse, DOGE.
00:39:13.280You were talking about judges early in Trump's term. He had basically a mandate to impeach all these people. People don't want violent Venezuelan gang leaders here. And two to one, people wanted Judge Bosberg impeached. And that was way back in March of 2025.
00:39:28.660You know, Congress whiffed on that. And we can talk all we want to about it now. But the window is basically closed because we're here a month and a half away from an election where the Democrats are up nine points among likely voters right now. And that's with a post-RNC bump.
00:39:43.800So, I mean, they're going to lose Congress. Like the Republicans are almost certainly going to lose Congress. And at this point, as a pollster, there's nothing I can really do other than, Kimmy, and I guess you have this, you can't vote for socialist messaging, and that will get a lot of your core Republican voters out.
00:40:00.400But it's not going to get that 35% of Trump's 2024 big tent coalition that was independents, crossover Democrats, working class people, minorities, and get this, actually socialists.
00:40:14.320Trump got a lot of socialist votes, believe it or not, because 50% of under 40 Trump voters said that they would actually vote for a socialist.
00:40:23.080And we asked this before, and three-quarters of the under-40 Trump voters said that they would support nationalizing major industries.
00:40:31.360Almost 60 percent of them support excess wealth confiscation.
00:40:34.940And now we have a new poll out, out of the Honest Poll.
00:40:38.460And, I mean, it looks like, again, this is a repudiation of traditional conservative economics.
00:40:46.540Okay, so Kitty Bits, he does not live in D.C.
00:40:51.060He lives near me on the Jersey Shore, and Scott respected him a lot.
00:40:56.580And I'm going to give it to you first, Owen.
00:41:01.100Well, I do think he's saying some things that I recognize are true, but I do think a lot of this is propaganda as well.
00:41:09.220I think that, you know, a lot of the things he's saying, I think the Trump administration is fully aware of, and they are doing at least what they think they can do to try and address these problems. Trump's been trying to get down drug prices. He's been trying to get down energy prices. He's been trying to get down grocery prices.
00:41:28.420He's been, you know, promising this $5,000 check to everybody.
00:41:33.320Like they certainly recognize the problem and they're doing what they can to do it.
00:41:37.540I think I would agree that there is a lot of opportunity to redo our health care system.
00:41:43.780I've talked about that before and what I think we should do.0.96
00:41:46.200But and I think the Iran war, you know, would have been much better if we had gotten out of that in the spring.0.58
00:41:51.800So it wasn't a current issue and we didn't have six dollar gas prices.
00:41:55.480So, like, I'm not denying what he's saying.
00:41:57.800I am just saying that part of the part of it is the fake news aspect of it, where it's like places like CNN and MSNOW and most major media publications are highlighting all the problems because it sells newspapers or sells clicks or whatever.
00:42:12.560And they don't talk about these victories. You don't hear about these victories. You know, you have Trump accounts, you have all these other things that are making life better for a lot of people.
00:42:20.620and it doesn't get nearly the same media attention as all the negative stuff and so you know i i
00:42:27.520don't know exactly how it's going to play out in the midterms it's really kind of a crapshoot in
00:42:31.780my mind just because you have all the redistricting you have a lot more money coming from the
00:42:37.000republican side this cycle and so there may be some change between now and november i don't know
00:42:43.360but and i wouldn't be surprised if it goes the way mark is saying but i i do hope it doesn't
00:42:49.200And I think we should try and do everything we can to get everybody out to vote because midterms typically do have a lower turnout, which means there's more opportunity.
00:42:56.120If you get people to come out for it and convince them that it really is important, then you might be able to have an outsized impact compared to a presidential election cycle where a much higher percentage of people are going to vote.
00:43:09.480So, you know, I don't think we should be defeatist about it.
00:43:12.580I think we should try and do everything we can to get the socialists out or keep them out and to swing things the way we want so that the Trump administration still has control of Congress and we don't end up with two years of, you know, just impeachments and whatever else they're going to do.
00:43:28.980But I do think, you know, if I had to bet on it today, I'd say, sure, I probably agree with Mark that we're more likely to lose them in terms, at least in the House.
00:43:35.940I think I've seen some predictions, at least, that will probably keep the Senate.
00:43:41.060But I don't think it's a, you know, done deal at this point.
00:43:44.240I think there is a chance and I think we should fight for it everywhere we possibly can.
00:43:49.340So, you know, I think, yes, there are some things I disagree with or think they should
00:44:33.340so you have to understand like first of all i do live in the real world i don't have to live in
00:44:39.120arkansas to be someone not in a bubble um i own a few businesses everything is blue collar um
00:44:47.660and i'll tell you right now my on the conservative end my business expenses have now gone up 68
00:44:57.54068%. 68%. And you know what, Marcella, we were saying the other day, like I can't pass that
00:45:04.000across to my customers, but we had a talk and we're going to have to put a surcharge on our
00:45:10.280jobs now because our fuel prices, our whole company runs on fuel. All of our blue collar
00:45:16.440friends, their businesses generally run on fuel talking about diesel. So I want to say,
00:45:22.260you know don't dismiss what he's saying because you believe something when i talk to people in
00:45:29.580the real world they have no clue what's happening in the news they know what's happening in their
00:45:35.100bank account they know what happens when they go to the store they know what happens when they have
00:45:39.040to put gas in their car they know what happens when their kids want money for something and they
00:45:42.540just don't have extra money for the thing so you know you could be mad at him you could be mad at
00:45:48.200me you know for the opinion but in the real world people are not informed like you guys are
00:45:54.040they just know what their wallet's saying um okay marcella take it away i think trump has to do the
00:46:01.080republicans and trump have to do two things and i don't discount um erica and and this is what
00:46:07.960what mark was talking about is regarding people that don't really watch the news it's like how
00:46:13.480what do you think? Is the economy doing better or worse? And even if what Owen's saying is true,
00:46:20.440they, and I'm sure Owen would agree, their perception is not reality, right? So their
00:46:25.080perception is it's not well. Two things that he can do. One is end the Iran war or have some kind
00:46:34.360of agreement in place so that the oil goes down in price. The other thing that I don't see anybody
00:46:41.320doing is okay so the economy is not doing that well will they do better under a communist con
00:46:47.960under a communist country no way jose you know so the thing is i don't see a full-on fight
00:46:55.560on the idea that maybe just give us more time to perfect and help the middle class but to go
00:47:03.560full on socialist what does that look like and what does that mean to your economy if you think
00:47:09.960you're paying high prices now wait until the socialists get into power absolutely that's
00:47:16.120what i don't see anybody talking about because if you look at even semi-socialist countries like in
00:47:24.440europe in sweden and in iceland well iceland that's not a socialist it's not socialist but
00:47:30.840sweden and other countries like that um the price of oil and diesel and all sorts of things is way
00:47:38.920sky high um europe itself has a lot of socialist programs this is what we wanted so you want that
00:47:47.960um also do you want free health care like canada has like england has then you're gonna wait
00:47:54.120forever i want to not that they don't do it i want to see them to full on fear propaganda about
00:48:03.560what could happen to you if you're in a socialist country i want to see that and two and the first
00:48:08.520one i want to see him make negotiate a deal and i think he's gonna be able to do it uh with iran
00:48:16.680oh god i hope so i mean but it would be great if it was before the midterms you win the midterms
00:48:21.960i think it's just like it's like the third act kind of thing in a movie where it's like
00:48:27.000you don't see it happening but then everything goes into place and it's almost last minute but
00:48:33.560he wins the the whole entire thing i could see that happening um kitty bits i don't know why
00:48:39.240you're you're you're just freaking me out today no one here thinks communism or socialism is the
00:48:47.160answer of course our lives would be so horrendous if they get into power we wouldn't even have a
00:48:55.880card to put oil in exactly like none of us are saying it would work but what you have to understand
00:49:01.880and okay you're just as smart as your neighbors great i'm just saying people aren't paying
00:49:07.000attention to the news and reports and data but it's up to us it's up and and like obviously we
00:49:15.240just talked about fake news for a half an hour and that they lie and put fear out there the news
00:49:20.920wants socialism to come in like this is all part of their thing i don't know why but they do maybe
00:49:26.280it's just because they hate trump and republicans but the thing is is that the people that aren't
00:49:30.680paying attention are only paying attention to their bottom line so they're saying yes and yes
00:49:36.840kitty bits yes we paid a ton of money under biden that has nothing to do with right now
00:49:42.680but what happens is is when the people in power are not coming through for the average person
00:49:49.320this is why we ebb and flow all the time and we try the other people and then they get in and they
00:49:55.080screw up everything and we're like let's try the other people but the the people that are paying
00:49:59.880attention. I'm voting for Republicans straight down the ticket. You couldn't pay me. I can't
00:50:05.940even see it down the road of ever voting for a Democrat. They have lost their ever loving minds
00:50:11.160completely. But it's not about me and it's not about you. It's about the people that are not
00:50:17.180paying attention, which is honestly the majority. Yes, the middle class people are smart, but they're
00:50:23.040not paying attention to this. They're going to work. They're with their families, with their
00:50:27.280kids trying to make ends meet. So what we're saying is we want the Republicans to stay in
00:50:33.220power more than anything. What do we have to do for that? What is the messaging? How do we help
00:50:40.060persuade people? Go ahead, Owen. Yeah. And I want to tie this back to what Scott, I think Scott
00:50:45.740would say about this is you have to remember people aren't rational. It's not about the fact.
00:50:50.440It's not about, you know, the reality. It's about how people perceive that. And a lot of that is
00:50:54.960emotional. And it ties into what you're saying in the sense of, if you see your bottom line,
00:51:00.220you can call that a fact, but I think it's more about the emotional part of that.
00:51:04.420That's why when you can, you know, you can look at the facts on the graph and say, well,
00:51:07.760inflation was 15% under Biden and it's only 3% or whatever now. And that makes sense rationally
00:51:14.580that we're better off now than we were under a Democrat president. But I think that doesn't
00:51:20.220matter because people are still seeing that they're paying so much and they don't have higher
00:51:24.240wages. And they are just looking at that. And it's not emotionally, it's not easy to convince
00:51:29.980someone to say, well, that's the other guy's fault. And, you know, we really fixed it because
00:51:34.620it doesn't feel like you fixed it. You know, if you don't see prices coming down or you don't see
00:51:40.100wages going up, then it doesn't feel like it's better. And the feeling is what you have to appeal
00:51:46.940to, to persuade people. And so I think as much as we can, we need to make it visceral, visual,
00:51:54.220you know, more persuasive to be able to say, we have a plan that's better than their plan,
00:51:59.600and you should really vote for the Republicans to keep Congress. Otherwise, you're going to be
00:52:03.820in for a world of hurt. That has to be the type of message that goes out. And I'm not sure how
00:52:09.300well they're doing with that. I don't think Republicans are generally very good at that.
00:52:13.060Trump is certainly a lot better than most in that regard because he certainly gets it.
00:52:17.720But I think it doesn't mean that he's getting through enough to make a difference.
00:52:24.100And even with lots of money, unless you're sending the right message with that money, you're not necessarily going to get people to come out and vote for you.