Rebel News Podcast - Alberta： MacKinnon Report shows true extent of Rachel Notley's overspending, so Kenney must act now

00:00:00.000 Hey, folks, today's show is about an Alberta multi-party committee report

00:00:06.120 into how to get it back economically.

00:00:08.020 But actually, I think the highlight of today's podcast

00:00:10.140 is my interview with my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed about a turkey invasion.

00:00:16.140 30, or is it 60, left-wing hippies storm a turkey farm in Alberta,

00:00:22.400 but not just any turkey farm.

00:00:23.720 They chose one because it was Hutterite.

00:00:27.800 I'll tell you what that means, and Sheila will help me explain in a moment.

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00:00:47.320 All right. Without further ado, here's today's podcast.

00:00:51.380 You're listening to a Rebel Media podcast.

00:00:53.860 Tonight, a new multi-party investigation into Alberta's finances

00:00:58.340 shows things are much worse than Rachel Notley ever let on.

00:01:01.860 It's September 5th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:04.500 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:10.320 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:14.380 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it

00:01:17.880 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:25.600 It's a cliche that when a new government takes over from an old government

00:01:28.620 and they look behind the curtain and look at what's really going on,

00:01:31.380 it's always worse than we knew, they say.

00:01:33.740 Sometimes that's just hyperbole, an opportunity for the new government

00:01:36.480 to lower expectations.

00:01:37.980 I mean, it's smart.

00:01:38.980 But when the government that was just ejected

00:01:41.600 was the most extreme socialist government to ever rule,

00:01:44.940 yeah, you know it's really going to be bad, worse than anyone let on.

00:01:49.460 Obviously, I'm talking about Rachel Notley's NDP in Alberta

00:01:52.400 and the mess they left behind.

00:01:53.980 You can't raise taxes, attack your key industry,

00:01:58.280 hobble any surviving businesses with new regulations,

00:02:00.940 drive away investment, hire a record number of your public service union friends,

00:02:05.960 do the government payroll, give them all raises,

00:02:09.980 and expect the things you can stay together.

00:02:12.200 Frankly, had the NDP itself won re-election,

00:02:15.080 they would have imploded in their second term.

00:02:16.820 Much like Bob Ray's Ontario started to implode

00:02:21.180 in the final years of his NDP mandate.

00:02:24.800 I don't know if you recall that thing called Ray Days.

00:02:28.240 They were so deep in debt, they were so out of cash,

00:02:31.420 that they just started telling bureaucrats,

00:02:33.060 hey, how about just take some days off without pay?

00:02:37.240 Just don't come in.

00:02:39.640 I mean, it's great to be a socialist

00:02:40.820 until you run out of other people's money,

00:02:43.220 as Bob Ray did and Notley was doing.

00:02:45.100 Notley was lucky in that she left just before the place fell down.

00:02:50.420 It's still imploding, by the way,

00:02:52.520 just because Jason Kenney is the Premier now

00:02:54.840 hasn't solved the key problems there.

00:02:57.160 That's still the problem of Justin Trudeau

00:03:00.360 and his war on oil and gas and his carbon tax

00:03:03.660 and his pledge to transition off fossil fuels.

00:03:07.040 That's still a problem.

00:03:08.940 I've said time and time again,

00:03:10.820 and you're all tired of hearing me say it,

00:03:12.460 you can't make a choice between what's good for the environment

00:03:15.480 and what's good for the economy.

00:03:17.460 We can't shut down the oil sands tomorrow.

00:03:20.820 We need to phase them out.

00:03:22.960 We need to manage the transition off of our dependence on fossil fuels.

00:03:27.020 Yeah, just because Rachel Notley's gone,

00:03:29.040 do you think oil companies are lining up to invest

00:03:31.700 while Trudeau is still in power federally?

00:03:33.920 Or while John Horgan is the Premier of BC still,

00:03:37.940 or the insane, out-of-control political courts

00:03:40.000 continue to give political wins

00:03:42.420 to foreign-funded environmental lobby groups

00:03:44.640 suing to stop everything, as they just did this week?

00:03:47.140 Frankly, even if you were to boot out Trudeau and Horgan

00:03:50.820 and put non-crazy judges on the courts,

00:03:53.420 you just can't turn around an industry like that on a dime.

00:03:56.260 When a company like Shell or Total

00:03:57.800 just up and leaves and shuts down

00:03:59.720 a $5 or $10 billion oil sands project,

00:04:02.340 it doesn't come back just by flipping a switch.

00:04:06.000 By the way, they're probably busy

00:04:07.560 working in less capricious jurisdictions

00:04:09.840 like Texas or Pennsylvania or Australia

00:04:13.060 or literally a hundred other countries

00:04:14.720 that are happy to have jobs and make money off oil and gas.

00:04:17.940 All right, enough preamble.

00:04:20.020 Here's the news.

00:04:21.760 Jason Kenney called the doctor,

00:04:22.960 and the doctor said it's bad.

00:04:25.380 The doctor is the McKinnon Commission.

00:04:29.820 It's a team of doctors led by Janice McKinnon. 0.98

00:04:32.340 Now, she's the former finance minister of Saskatchewan

00:04:35.080 under an NDP premier named Roy Romano.

00:04:39.300 The vice chair of the panel is Mike Percy,

00:04:42.700 formerly a senior liberal politician.

00:04:47.500 Do you see what's happening here?

00:04:48.640 We have ourselves a multi-partisan,

00:04:50.480 and perhaps more accurately, a non-partisan group.

00:04:53.480 And they're experts.

00:04:55.200 They're not just politicians.

00:04:56.140 I'm underselling them.

00:04:57.100 McKinnon is a professor.

00:04:58.480 Percy is a professor.

00:04:59.620 We're talking about PhD smart experts here,

00:05:02.040 people who know economics,

00:05:03.400 not just party hacks who know nothing,

00:05:05.160 like Notley's crew.

00:05:07.100 We're talking about scholars, economists.

00:05:08.820 There's a couple more researchers on the panel,

00:05:10.960 and even this strange bird, Dave Mowat,

00:05:14.860 an eco-extremist I don't like one bit.

00:05:17.020 You'll remember he was the NDP's climate-fighting hero.

00:05:20.220 He actually went down to an Al Gore training camp once.

00:05:22.820 He runs Alberta Treasury branches,

00:05:24.600 the provincial government's bank.

00:05:26.000 And I point out how diverse this is

00:05:30.060 to show you the same exactly the Jason Kenney fan club.

00:05:32.900 It's as multi-party as you get in a place like Alberta.

00:05:36.200 And here's the thing.

00:05:38.100 They were unanimous.

00:05:39.740 Every one of them.

00:05:40.560 The NDP have left a disaster.

00:05:42.740 Not just a little blip.

00:05:43.940 Not just a small problem.

00:05:45.160 A disaster.

00:05:46.100 And it's a spending problem.

00:05:47.280 Here, listen to McKinnon herself. 0.69

00:05:49.020 There is a spending problem here.

00:05:51.680 If you're spending $3.6 billion more per person in health

00:05:56.280 and you have longer wait times,

00:05:58.400 you have a problem.

00:05:59.860 Something isn't working.

00:06:01.300 And we detail there what has to change.

00:06:04.920 You use hospitals too much.

00:06:07.460 You rely too much on just doctors.

00:06:09.240 All of that has to change.

00:06:11.000 So you get the spending problem under control.

00:06:15.100 And then you look at the tax mix,

00:06:17.620 and that will be up to another group of people

00:06:20.340 and the government will oversee that.

00:06:22.300 But I don't think there's a case here for raising taxes.

00:06:25.780 There's a case here for getting spending under control.

00:06:29.000 Now, the report that they filed is 82 pages,

00:06:31.400 but it also comes with a 150-page accounting document

00:06:34.180 prepared by KPMG.

00:06:35.860 They weren't messing around here.

00:06:37.460 So let me sum it up for you.

00:06:39.620 Alberta's got a cut with an axe, not a scalpel. 1.00

00:06:43.120 Now, for anyone who's been paying attention to Alberta

00:06:45.720 for the past four years, you're thinking,

00:06:47.600 what more could you possibly cut in that province?

00:06:50.120 That province has been devastated.

00:06:51.800 The oil patch is a ghost town, really.

00:06:53.560 High unemployment, higher than anywhere west of the Atlantic.

00:06:55.980 Climbing actually just devastated.

00:06:57.640 When Alberta has higher unemployment than Quebec,

00:07:00.300 you got yourself a problem.

00:07:01.180 How could you possibly cut more out of those people?

00:07:04.760 Well, all those people who've been cut,

00:07:06.460 those are real Albertans I've been describing.

00:07:08.060 Because while real Albertans have been in a deep

00:07:10.440 economic recession for four years,

00:07:13.340 the government sector has been having a party.

00:07:16.380 Alberta right now has the highest number

00:07:18.100 of government bureaucrats in its history.

00:07:20.000 And they've never been paid more than right now in history.

00:07:23.340 It's boom times if you're a bureaucrat in Alberta,

00:07:26.820 in the government.

00:07:28.120 It's a party, no surprise there.

00:07:29.760 The number one occupation of the NDP MLA's last term

00:07:32.900 was government workers.

00:07:34.800 Notley's own husband was a lobbyist for a government union.

00:07:37.860 They are doing better than ever after four fat years.

00:07:41.760 It's those folks who need a cut for the first time in years,

00:07:46.000 which is why I suspect there won't be anyone else

00:07:48.740 who gives a damn when those cuts come,

00:07:50.520 other than the public sector unions

00:07:52.360 and the media sympathizers they have.

00:07:54.780 We've seen this movie before.

00:07:56.300 Ralph Klein faced the same thing in the 90s

00:07:58.300 when he was tasked with bringing Alberta back from the brink then.

00:08:01.440 Let's go through the McKinnon report just a bit.

00:08:03.780 Now, you know what the biggest spending item is

00:08:06.720 for every Canadian province?

00:08:08.140 It's health care.

00:08:09.380 Or more accurately, government unions

00:08:11.080 who say they do health care.

00:08:12.500 It's different.

00:08:14.020 Because most people in the health care business in Canada

00:08:16.480 are not nurses or doctors actually making you healthy.

00:08:19.900 They're bureaucrats,

00:08:21.080 the kind of people Notley truly champion.

00:08:22.940 Here's proof.

00:08:23.500 Look at table 12 in the McKinnon report.

00:08:25.580 It compares Alberta's health care to other key provinces.

00:08:28.260 BC is a good comparison.

00:08:30.560 Ontario and Quebec are good comparisons too.

00:08:32.260 So look at that first line.

00:08:33.580 Alberta spends more than $5,000 per capita

00:08:35.500 on health care a year

00:08:36.560 compared to way less in those other three provinces.

00:08:39.780 But look at the age-adjusted figures.

00:08:42.260 And what I think that means is that,

00:08:44.180 I mean, Alberta is a young population

00:08:47.240 compared to other places.

00:08:48.220 So a healthy 30-year-old male

00:08:50.300 doesn't really use health care.

00:08:52.920 And Alberta's population is amongst the youngest in the country.

00:08:55.460 I think it is the youngest.

00:08:57.840 So you adjust for age,

00:08:59.380 and Alberta is way overspending.

00:09:01.500 More than $5,300 per person.

00:09:03.500 That's about 50% more spending than other provinces.

00:09:06.900 But look further.

00:09:07.700 The cost of a standard hospital stay,

00:09:09.880 almost $8,000 compared to far less

00:09:12.340 in those other comparable provinces.

00:09:14.700 And remember,

00:09:15.060 we're not comparing Alberta to the poorest places.

00:09:19.140 We're not comparing to Newfoundland.

00:09:20.840 We're comparing to British Columbia and Ontario

00:09:22.560 who have as good or better health care than Alberta.

00:09:26.100 So why is Alberta's health care so expensive? 0.98

00:09:28.140 Four years of socialist governments

00:09:31.000 rewarding their public sector unions is part of it.

00:09:33.200 But let's be candid.

00:09:34.300 The last few conservative premiers

00:09:35.960 weren't very conservative at all, were they?

00:09:38.960 One more line.

00:09:39.620 Just look at the average wait time

00:09:41.460 to get medical care,

00:09:42.960 to get a doctor to see you.

00:09:44.980 In Alberta, it's 26 weeks.

00:09:46.540 That's half a year.

00:09:47.840 That's almost double what it is in Quebec.

00:09:49.760 So Alberta is spending way more,

00:09:51.480 but getting way less

00:09:52.460 because the government unions are sopping it up. 0.80

00:09:55.380 They've been partying.

00:09:57.820 The first four recommendations

00:09:59.160 in the McKinnon report

00:10:00.040 are to rein in hospital costs

00:10:02.020 and allow alternative payment systems.

00:10:04.140 That means private insurance.

00:10:05.800 That means letting people pay.

00:10:07.700 You know, a free market might do that.

00:10:09.280 Let me remind you,

00:10:10.260 this is a report chaired

00:10:11.180 by a former NDP cabinet minister

00:10:12.840 from Saskatchewan,

00:10:14.400 home of Tommy Douglas.

00:10:16.240 All right, I spent some time on health care,

00:10:17.580 the biggest spending item,

00:10:18.860 but let's look at the next one, schools.

00:10:20.400 I won't go in equal depth here,

00:10:22.600 but look at this.

00:10:23.920 On education,

00:10:24.920 the panel recommends

00:10:25.800 that the government should

00:10:26.640 work with education stakeholders

00:10:29.720 to decrease the percentage

00:10:31.000 of government funding

00:10:31.700 that goes to administration

00:10:33.160 and governance,

00:10:34.660 currently 24.6%,

00:10:36.240 to a level comparable

00:10:37.080 to British Columbia, 17%.

00:10:39.300 Holy moly.

00:10:41.620 Do you get that?

00:10:42.160 So what they're saying is

00:10:42.980 Alberta spends a quarter

00:10:45.240 of all education dollars

00:10:47.960 on bureaucrats.

00:10:50.740 If you look at it,

00:10:51.380 that's actually 50% more

00:10:52.600 than the B.C. government does.

00:10:55.680 It's 25% on administration in Alberta.

00:10:59.980 That's eight more than 17%,

00:11:01.620 which is in Alberta.

00:11:02.420 So that's 50% more, of course,

00:11:05.940 because government unions

00:11:07.040 who have been running the government

00:11:08.600 have had a four-year party,

00:11:09.880 and frankly, before that,

00:11:11.320 under the Progressive Conservatives.

00:11:12.740 Look at this one.

00:11:13.340 I'm not going to go through all of them.

00:11:14.280 I'm just going to look at a couple.

00:11:15.220 Recommendation 21.

00:11:17.720 Adopt a fiscal rule

00:11:18.860 that limits the annual increases

00:11:20.200 in total program spending

00:11:21.280 to the projected rate of increase

00:11:22.840 in total household incomes in Alberta.

00:11:25.320 I like that.

00:11:26.020 So that means if the average family

00:11:27.880 gains only 1% in income in a year,

00:11:31.380 the government can't increase

00:11:32.860 expending any more than that.

00:11:34.220 Why should they?

00:11:34.900 Why should they?

00:11:35.580 Why are they allowed to be fancy

00:11:37.040 and living high off the hog

00:11:38.580 when the whole province

00:11:39.520 has had four brutal years?

00:11:40.680 Now, I wonder if the opposite

00:11:41.680 holds true, too.

00:11:42.420 If the average Alberta household

00:11:43.880 loses 1% or 2% or 3% or 4% or 5%,

00:11:47.020 surely the government

00:11:47.900 should shrink, too.

00:11:49.100 Maybe that's what this whole

00:11:50.400 health care and education plan is about.

00:11:52.200 Look at figure 21.

00:11:54.480 Alberta pays more for nurses

00:11:55.560 than pretty much anywhere comparable.

00:11:57.220 Why?

00:11:58.660 Alberta's cost of living

00:11:59.540 is lower than Vancouver or Toronto.

00:12:01.960 Taxes are still lower

00:12:03.360 than Vancouver or Toronto.

00:12:04.940 So why should nurses

00:12:06.820 be paid more in Alberta

00:12:08.160 other than they're part

00:12:09.920 of the government workers' union

00:12:13.080 who have partied

00:12:14.380 under an NDP union government?

00:12:16.880 Look at figure 22.

00:12:18.920 Alberta teachers make more

00:12:19.860 than even those in Toronto.

00:12:20.820 How is that even possible?

00:12:22.380 How is that even possible?

00:12:23.820 Look at figure 26.

00:12:25.020 Grants to cities.

00:12:26.040 Why does Alberta's provincial government

00:12:27.500 give so much more money to cities

00:12:29.660 than any other place

00:12:30.860 in the country does?

00:12:31.540 Is the garbage collection

00:12:32.940 in Alberta's cities

00:12:33.920 that much better

00:12:34.980 than in other cities?

00:12:36.200 Why?

00:12:36.800 Because Calgary and Edmonton

00:12:38.240 and other towns

00:12:39.040 have left-wing mayors

00:12:39.760 who can't stop spending.

00:12:41.360 They tax their own people too,

00:12:42.460 by the way.

00:12:42.760 So Alberta is number one

00:12:43.740 in the country for spending.

00:12:45.380 Number one for overspending.

00:12:46.880 But look at how it's doing

00:12:47.860 on the earning money side.

00:12:49.620 Not so good.

00:12:50.260 Look at figure 28.

00:12:52.120 A decrease in private sector investment

00:12:54.100 in every single year.

00:12:56.080 Canada's not doing much better

00:12:57.340 as a whole, by the way,

00:12:58.380 under Trudeau,

00:12:58.900 but it's moving slightly

00:13:00.320 in the positive.

00:13:02.660 Alberta's had four years of disaster

00:13:03.840 and it doesn't look quick to end.

00:13:05.380 How can you keep ramping up spending

00:13:06.900 when for four years

00:13:07.700 the alarm has been ringing?

00:13:10.000 Can I quote the panel

00:13:11.660 saying the obvious?

00:13:14.860 Alberta used to be known

00:13:15.680 as the most entrepreneurial place

00:13:16.900 in Canada.

00:13:17.380 We used to believe

00:13:17.900 that if there was a good place

00:13:19.060 to invest,

00:13:20.500 to start and grow a business,

00:13:21.740 it was Alberta.

00:13:23.120 Through its research

00:13:23.820 and conversations,

00:13:24.660 the panel has learned

00:13:25.320 that Alberta no longer

00:13:26.260 has that reputation.

00:13:28.460 Yeah, that's true.

00:13:29.360 It's shocking, but it's true. 0.55

00:13:30.340 Of course it's true.

00:13:30.920 We all know it's true.

00:13:31.980 I won't take you

00:13:32.620 through the whole report.

00:13:33.360 You can find it

00:13:33.840 pretty quickly online.

00:13:34.620 Frankly, I don't think

00:13:35.620 you'd be surprised

00:13:36.180 by a single word of it.

00:13:37.780 It's just a splash

00:13:38.480 of cold water in the face

00:13:39.600 to see it all published

00:13:40.340 in one place

00:13:40.840 and by a multi-partisan

00:13:42.560 group of experts,

00:13:43.680 including liberals

00:13:44.500 and New Democrats

00:13:45.160 and that kooky Al Gore robot

00:13:47.360 named Dave Mowat.

00:13:49.220 But there's good news.

00:13:50.260 Good news underneath

00:13:51.160 all the bad news.

00:13:52.260 The good news is

00:13:53.180 Albertans.

00:13:55.040 Look, the idea of fixing things,

00:13:56.220 that's what Alberta does. 1.00

00:13:58.000 True, there have been

00:13:58.640 many companies

00:13:59.240 that have gone out of business

00:14:00.180 in Alberta

00:14:00.520 or just left for greener pastures,

00:14:02.180 but there are plenty

00:14:02.780 of Albertans

00:14:03.240 who have stayed

00:14:04.040 by being smart,

00:14:05.700 by cutting out things

00:14:06.760 they had to cut,

00:14:07.460 by avoiding cutting

00:14:09.340 the things they couldn't cut.

00:14:11.800 Alberta has been down before

00:14:13.000 and has come back.

00:14:13.720 Albertans are smart.

00:14:14.280 They know how to do this.

00:14:15.140 There are 100 Alberta companies,

00:14:16.420 1,000, probably 10,000

00:14:18.460 Alberta companies

00:14:19.620 and hundreds of thousands

00:14:20.760 of Alberta families

00:14:21.760 who have dealt

00:14:22.760 with these exact same problems

00:14:24.560 on their own scale,

00:14:25.940 company-wide

00:14:26.500 or family-wide budget.

00:14:28.340 You're over-budgeting

00:14:29.320 your family,

00:14:29.760 you fix it.

00:14:30.400 Alberta's spending

00:14:33.180 more than they earn

00:14:33.900 so they've got to

00:14:34.340 get control of their lives

00:14:35.100 just like 10,000

00:14:36.900 Alberta companies

00:14:37.880 and hundreds of thousands

00:14:38.680 of Alberta families did.

00:14:39.540 And they did.

00:14:40.600 They cut to survive,

00:14:42.000 they tighten their belts

00:14:42.820 and things will be good

00:14:43.860 again one day.

00:14:45.840 So the province

00:14:46.580 is actually full of people

00:14:48.060 who know how to do this

00:14:49.500 and who are emotionally,

00:14:51.680 well, they've done it before.

00:14:53.320 So fixing the problem

00:14:54.160 is pretty clear how.

00:14:55.620 Cut the spending,

00:14:56.360 clear out the government unions,

00:14:57.360 bring in the private sector,

00:14:58.240 stop the growth of government.

00:14:59.200 Nothing magical.

00:14:59.860 It's hard work

00:15:01.200 and the private sector

00:15:01.920 has done that hard work

00:15:02.940 for four years on itself.

00:15:04.400 Now it's time

00:15:05.040 for the public sector

00:15:06.080 to do that too.

00:15:07.100 They've been riding

00:15:07.620 on the back of the private sector.

00:15:09.240 They need to take some cuts too.

00:15:10.700 This McKinnon report

00:15:11.560 provides the multi-party cover

00:15:14.400 to Jason Kenney.

00:15:15.720 This isn't about the UCP

00:15:16.980 or the NDP.

00:15:18.080 This is about fixing

00:15:18.720 the whole province.

00:15:19.640 The panel was unanimous

00:15:21.040 in its advice.

00:15:22.740 It's time to do it

00:15:23.540 and do not blink.

00:15:24.480 And you know in advance

00:15:26.320 that the unions will squawk.

00:15:27.640 They'll take to the streets.

00:15:28.640 The government unions that is.

00:15:30.300 The private sector unions

00:15:31.660 and the oil patch and industry,

00:15:33.620 they've already had their cuts.

00:15:35.220 A lot of them are unemployed.

00:15:36.220 I don't think you're going to see

00:15:37.340 a lot of oil sands unionized workers

00:15:39.680 standing by their bureaucrat

00:15:41.400 brothers and sisters.

00:15:43.380 They'll be cheering on the cuts.

00:15:45.500 Do it!

00:15:47.620 Or put another way,

00:15:48.640 if it's not done now,

00:15:49.700 it'll never be done.

00:15:50.920 It could never be done.

00:15:51.960 And Jim Denning used to say

00:15:53.100 you can't jump a chasm

00:15:54.660 in two leaps,

00:15:56.260 two small leaps.

00:15:57.980 It's got to be one big jump.

00:15:59.140 Jason Kenney hasn't yet brought in

00:16:00.660 his first budget.

00:16:01.700 His political capital

00:16:02.460 will never be higher

00:16:03.400 than it is right now.

00:16:04.480 His mandate will never be stronger

00:16:05.880 than it is right now.

00:16:07.060 This report gives him

00:16:08.340 the independent,

00:16:10.100 multi-party certification

00:16:11.380 that he has to cut.

00:16:13.000 He must.

00:16:15.780 It's...

00:16:16.340 It's not enough.

00:16:18.200 It won't be enough

00:16:18.920 on its own to save the problems.

00:16:20.420 I'm sorry.

00:16:20.780 It's not sufficient

00:16:21.540 to save the problems

00:16:23.100 by cutting,

00:16:23.560 but it's a necessary first step.

00:16:25.640 The problems in Ottawa,

00:16:26.880 in B.C.,

00:16:27.440 in our courts,

00:16:28.080 they'll come later.

00:16:28.980 But for now,

00:16:30.480 balance the budget

00:16:31.300 in the manner outlined

00:16:32.420 by the new Democrat,

00:16:34.840 Janice McKinnon.

00:16:36.620 Stay with us for more.

00:16:37.540 Thank you.

00:16:50.420 Welcome back.

00:16:52.280 Well, do you know

00:16:52.560 what Hutterites are?

00:16:54.880 It's a Christian farming commune,

00:16:58.520 is what I would say.

00:16:59.540 In other parts of North America,

00:17:01.540 there are similar groups.

00:17:03.140 You would call them the Amish, 1.00

00:17:05.740 for example,

00:17:06.700 in Pennsylvania.

00:17:08.560 It is basically people

00:17:11.100 who keep themselves

00:17:13.460 generally pacifist

00:17:15.420 who are farmers

00:17:18.320 in communal farms.

00:17:20.840 And in Alberta,

00:17:22.260 where I originally come from,

00:17:23.780 they're some of the best people around.

00:17:25.780 They don't make trouble.

00:17:27.520 They don't go looking for fights.

00:17:29.240 Sort of the opposite.

00:17:30.320 I would even say they're shy.

00:17:32.580 I know that's a stereotype,

00:17:34.600 but I'd call them shy.

00:17:35.600 So I read this story

00:17:39.820 in the paper

00:17:40.400 and I was furious.

00:17:43.720 Can I read a little bit

00:17:44.700 of it to you?

00:17:46.180 This is from Global News,

00:17:47.800 which has video of it as well.

00:17:49.860 Let me read a little bit

00:17:50.420 from the Global News story

00:17:51.200 and then I'm going to bring in

00:17:52.200 my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed,

00:17:53.620 who knows Hutterites well

00:17:54.800 and is friends with many Hutterites

00:17:56.040 and can give her point of view

00:17:57.700 on this story as a farmer.

00:17:59.380 Let me read a little bit.

00:18:01.820 Dozens of protesters

00:18:03.460 illegally stormed

00:18:05.420 a southern Alberta

00:18:06.940 Hutterite turkey farm Monday,

00:18:09.660 demanding more transparency

00:18:11.340 and alleging the animals

00:18:12.820 are treated inhumanely.

00:18:16.380 They went to Fort McLeod,

00:18:17.880 which is not easy to get to.

00:18:19.480 Like it's not Toronto,

00:18:20.880 Montreal, Vancouver,

00:18:21.920 Calgary, Edmonton,

00:18:22.600 even something like a major city.

00:18:23.780 You have to go there.

00:18:26.340 About 30 people

00:18:28.300 illegally planted themselves

00:18:30.720 inside the Jumbo Valley

00:18:31.840 Hutterite turkey farm

00:18:32.920 and another 30

00:18:34.660 stood outside

00:18:35.900 near the highway.

00:18:38.040 And then get this,

00:18:38.660 the protesters,

00:18:39.680 who said they're not

00:18:40.580 with any particular group,

00:18:42.000 I'm sorry, that's a lie,

00:18:43.580 explained they wanted

00:18:44.380 to highlight the living conditions

00:18:45.660 of the 30,000 turkeys.

00:18:49.420 Ryan Park,

00:18:50.580 one of the protesters,

00:18:51.400 says,

00:18:52.020 we're out here

00:18:52.600 to expose

00:18:53.260 the injustices

00:18:54.380 that happen to these animals

00:18:55.560 behind closed doors.

00:18:56.940 We want transparency

00:18:58.040 in the way our food is made.

00:18:59.940 I believe that people knew

00:19:00.920 what goes on behind these doors

00:19:02.000 that wouldn't want

00:19:02.640 to consume these products.

00:19:05.100 Let me read a little bit more

00:19:06.220 and I'm going to call in Sheila

00:19:07.160 in just a moment,

00:19:07.780 but I'm just so mad

00:19:08.620 at this story.

00:19:09.340 The owner of the farm

00:19:10.540 refuted that argument.

00:19:12.160 Mark Chetter said

00:19:13.620 the animals

00:19:14.040 at his free-range turkey farm

00:19:15.460 have plenty of space

00:19:16.700 and are treated very well.

00:19:18.200 He said he has nothing to hide,

00:19:19.240 so he showed

00:19:20.080 the protesters around.

00:19:23.100 It's our livelihood,

00:19:24.900 he said.

00:19:25.440 Our boys get up early

00:19:26.500 and come to do work here.

00:19:27.760 We don't butcher these turkeys. 0.78

00:19:29.200 It's on the food chain.

00:19:30.200 It's safe

00:19:30.700 and we work with the turkey board

00:19:32.220 far as crowding goes

00:19:33.840 and we do everything

00:19:34.320 in a very humane way.

00:19:36.960 Chetter called it

00:19:37.600 a terrible morning,

00:19:38.980 I can only imagine.

00:19:41.340 We tried to deal with them

00:19:42.680 in a very nice manner

00:19:43.380 because it was very agitating,

00:19:44.880 he said,

00:19:45.520 referring to the protesters,

00:19:46.640 not the turkeys.

00:19:47.180 To see people come off

00:19:49.220 the highway into your farm,

00:19:51.080 I mean, I won't do it,

00:19:51.920 I don't expect other people

00:19:52.780 to do it,

00:19:53.160 so what kind of people

00:19:53.900 are these?

00:19:54.280 It's really mind-boggling.

00:19:57.080 Yeah, that's called

00:19:57.680 a home invasion.

00:20:01.280 Both groups said

00:20:02.820 they called RCMP

00:20:04.340 to keep the peace.

00:20:05.660 Well,

00:20:06.480 to keep the peace.

00:20:11.520 This was trespass.

00:20:13.340 This was extortion.

00:20:15.320 I'll get to that in a moment.

00:20:16.240 Essentially,

00:20:16.600 and here's the cop talking.

00:20:19.120 Essentially,

00:20:19.560 we would have the authority

00:20:20.360 to remove them forcibly

00:20:21.580 would have been

00:20:22.520 a bigger issue,

00:20:23.380 said Sergeant Brian Mucha.

00:20:25.100 So a peaceful resolution

00:20:26.140 is kind of what

00:20:26.800 ended up happening

00:20:27.440 and they did end up

00:20:28.460 leaving the property.

00:20:29.420 I'm sorry,

00:20:29.800 that is an unacceptable resolution.

00:20:32.800 If someone punches you

00:20:33.880 in the nose,

00:20:34.980 it's not,

00:20:35.920 well,

00:20:36.260 we didn't want to escalate

00:20:37.120 so we let him walk away.

00:20:38.060 No,

00:20:38.180 that's an assault.

00:20:39.580 If 30 people

00:20:40.280 storm your property

00:20:41.420 and they say,

00:20:42.760 well,

00:20:42.920 if you let us go,

00:20:43.720 we'll go,

00:20:44.520 that's not,

00:20:45.080 I'm sorry,

00:20:45.340 that's not a resolution.

00:20:47.020 The job of police

00:20:48.000 is not to keep the peace,

00:20:49.420 it's to uphold the law.

00:20:51.560 That's different,

00:20:52.180 isn't it?

00:20:54.740 Here's the extortion part.

00:20:57.020 While the incident

00:20:58.020 didn't turn violent,

00:20:59.340 the protesters said

00:21:00.480 they wouldn't leave

00:21:01.940 unless their three demands

00:21:03.180 were met.

00:21:03.800 They wanted some

00:21:04.480 of the turkeys

00:21:04.920 to be released

00:21:05.600 to a sanctuary,

00:21:07.800 media coverage

00:21:08.480 of the barn's interior,

00:21:09.400 and to walk away

00:21:10.100 without charges.

00:21:10.800 That's called extortion.

00:21:14.080 The farm gave them

00:21:15.720 five turkeys,

00:21:17.260 and Global News

00:21:18.040 was allowed

00:21:18.440 to enter the barn.

00:21:20.760 Police are investigating.

00:21:22.940 I am so angry

00:21:24.260 at this story.

00:21:25.860 Joining me now

00:21:26.580 from Alberta

00:21:27.760 is someone

00:21:28.580 who knows

00:21:29.140 a little bit

00:21:29.460 about farming,

00:21:30.460 a little bit

00:21:30.840 about Hutterites,

00:21:31.860 and a lot

00:21:32.660 about the creepy

00:21:34.040 weirdo left.

00:21:36.320 Our friend

00:21:36.980 and chief reporter,

00:21:38.440 Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:21:39.080 Sheila,

00:21:39.300 how you doing?

00:21:40.620 Hey, Ezra.

00:21:41.280 I'm great.

00:21:42.240 Thanks for having me on.

00:21:43.320 Like you,

00:21:44.300 this story

00:21:45.120 enrages me

00:21:47.580 because, truly,

00:21:49.800 Hutterites are

00:21:50.380 the best possible

00:21:51.340 neighbors

00:21:51.760 that you can have.

00:21:53.240 Full disclosure,

00:21:54.120 I just live down the road

00:21:55.160 from the Scotford

00:21:56.200 Hutterite colony.

00:21:57.420 I'm there quite a bit.

00:21:58.500 In fact,

00:21:59.260 I buy my turkeys there.

00:22:00.640 Why?

00:22:01.260 Because,

00:22:01.700 unlike these activists,

00:22:03.380 I know that turkeys

00:22:04.280 are not benevolent creatures

00:22:05.580 but awful,

00:22:06.760 horrible,

00:22:08.000 evil,

00:22:08.520 strong,

00:22:09.940 ugly creatures.

00:22:13.040 The thing that really

00:22:14.340 irritates me

00:22:15.100 about this

00:22:15.980 is that I

00:22:16.960 believe

00:22:17.800 that these activists,

00:22:19.560 and they say

00:22:19.900 they're activists

00:22:20.480 from all over

00:22:21.280 the prairies,

00:22:22.560 they specifically

00:22:23.620 targeted

00:22:24.580 a Hutterite colony

00:22:25.780 because there are

00:22:27.560 turkey and poultry

00:22:28.900 barns

00:22:29.440 all across

00:22:30.840 the prairies,

00:22:31.600 all across Alberta.

00:22:32.500 but they targeted

00:22:34.700 a Hutterite barn

00:22:35.600 I think specifically

00:22:36.580 because of the best

00:22:37.740 qualities

00:22:38.240 of Hutterites,

00:22:39.440 that they're peaceful

00:22:40.000 people,

00:22:40.640 they're neighborly

00:22:41.320 people,

00:22:42.340 they're called

00:22:43.040 by their religion

00:22:43.820 to be pacifist

00:22:44.960 and non-confrontational.

00:22:46.560 So this is the

00:22:47.420 safest place

00:22:48.400 for these people

00:22:49.460 to go

00:22:50.040 and invade

00:22:51.220 and like you say

00:22:51.960 a home invasion

00:22:52.920 and to extort

00:22:54.680 some of their

00:22:56.340 property from them.

00:22:57.340 These turkeys

00:22:57.840 are their property

00:22:58.600 like

00:22:58.960 the farm boss

00:23:00.800 I think it was

00:23:01.540 Mark Cheddar

00:23:02.040 pointed out

00:23:02.660 this is their

00:23:03.680 livelihood.

00:23:04.300 You need to

00:23:04.680 understand

00:23:05.300 Hutterite colonies 0.99

00:23:06.820 it's families

00:23:08.560 it's families

00:23:09.920 and families

00:23:10.560 and families

00:23:11.020 that live

00:23:11.460 and work

00:23:11.940 together.

00:23:12.480 Now they live

00:23:12.980 communally

00:23:13.540 but they certainly

00:23:14.380 are capitalists.

00:23:16.080 This is a business

00:23:16.800 but there's

00:23:18.320 children there

00:23:19.380 this is where

00:23:19.960 they live

00:23:20.620 this isn't just

00:23:21.380 where they work

00:23:22.220 and so when

00:23:22.900 they're invading

00:23:23.540 the barns

00:23:24.180 they're invading

00:23:24.740 their home

00:23:25.720 this truly is

00:23:27.020 a home invasion

00:23:28.400 and then when I

00:23:28.960 hear that

00:23:29.800 the police

00:23:32.120 sort of brokered

00:23:33.220 a peace deal

00:23:34.380 with home invaders

00:23:35.720 that just puts

00:23:36.720 a target on the

00:23:37.480 backs of all

00:23:38.520 the other

00:23:39.040 Hutterite colonies 0.99

00:23:40.020 across the province.

00:23:41.800 I know there's

00:23:42.840 probably at least

00:23:43.520 20 Hutterite colonies

00:23:44.560 in southern Alberta

00:23:45.920 there's other

00:23:46.940 colonies that are

00:23:47.660 very very close

00:23:48.820 to the Jumbo Valley

00:23:49.960 colony

00:23:50.500 that's this one

00:23:51.320 here

00:23:51.640 and I'm very

00:23:53.620 worried for the

00:23:54.580 state of affairs

00:23:55.180 if the RCMP

00:23:56.000 are just letting

00:23:57.260 activists walk

00:23:59.020 onto the property

00:24:00.000 of these farms

00:24:01.020 and steal

00:24:02.000 livestock

00:24:03.060 and then leave

00:24:03.860 without charges

00:24:04.600 or mass arrests

00:24:06.000 this is a very

00:24:07.300 dangerous precedent.

00:24:08.500 It's outrageous

00:24:09.540 and you're so right

00:24:10.540 if you tried

00:24:11.720 taking 30 hippies

00:24:14.000 and I do not believe

00:24:14.840 for one second

00:24:15.540 oh we're just folks

00:24:16.640 who just came together

00:24:18.060 who funded this

00:24:19.320 who paid for this

00:24:20.120 who organized it

00:24:21.160 what hand is

00:24:22.380 behind the scenes here

00:24:23.480 and I'm not going

00:24:25.360 to speculate

00:24:26.200 theories

00:24:26.980 but I tell you

00:24:27.880 one thing

00:24:28.380 these new

00:24:28.940 vegan burgers

00:24:30.240 out there

00:24:30.860 they're certainly

00:24:31.460 putting a big

00:24:32.680 PR push behind it 0.87

00:24:34.100 I'm not saying

00:24:34.940 it's them

00:24:35.260 I want to know

00:24:35.760 who it is

00:24:36.300 behind it

00:24:36.860 and with these

00:24:37.860 cops you're saying

00:24:38.460 oh you can just go

00:24:40.320 hey guys

00:24:40.960 you can go now

00:24:41.740 we're certainly

00:24:42.300 not going to find

00:24:42.860 it with that kind

00:24:43.300 of Keystone Cobb

00:24:44.020 action

00:24:44.360 I'm deeply

00:24:45.020 disappointed

00:24:45.520 in the RCMP

00:24:46.260 but let me

00:24:47.260 put it this way

00:24:48.180 you go to an

00:24:48.940 industrial

00:24:49.420 scale

00:24:51.340 corporate turkey farm

00:24:52.500 and I got nothing

00:24:53.180 against them

00:24:53.740 I'm just saying

00:24:54.900 you go to an

00:24:55.540 industrial farm

00:24:56.640 with 30

00:24:57.920 stinking hippies

00:24:59.700 and you try and go

00:25:01.320 in their

00:25:01.940 turkey barns

00:25:03.640 you're going to get

00:25:04.280 a shotgun blast

00:25:05.980 to the face

00:25:06.740 you're going to get

00:25:08.460 people handcuffing you

00:25:10.160 until the cops arrive

00:25:11.240 you're going to get

00:25:12.180 armed farmers

00:25:13.680 showing you

00:25:14.680 what's what

00:25:15.320 they literally

00:25:16.640 went to pacifists

00:25:18.040 and I can't even

00:25:19.180 believe

00:25:19.920 that Cheddar

00:25:21.120 gave them

00:25:21.640 I mean

00:25:21.920 and it just shows

00:25:22.820 the turn the other

00:25:23.920 cheek attitude

00:25:24.620 of these

00:25:25.140 saintly people

00:25:26.360 they would literally

00:25:28.700 turn the other

00:25:29.880 cheek and give 0.95

00:25:30.440 five turkeys

00:25:31.060 to these guys

00:25:31.720 I saw your tweet

00:25:32.940 imagine

00:25:33.740 the little Prius

00:25:35.160 with these

00:25:35.900 stinking hippies

00:25:36.640 and a bunch of

00:25:37.260 turkeys pecking

00:25:38.160 at them

00:25:38.540 on their way out

00:25:39.800 that made me laugh

00:25:40.840 but just a moment

00:25:41.920 of laughter

00:25:42.440 amidst an appalling

00:25:43.620 appalling story

00:25:44.680 well and there's

00:25:46.260 more to this story

00:25:47.220 I did a little

00:25:47.720 research on Jumbo

00:25:48.680 Valley because

00:25:49.380 I am the local

00:25:50.780 Anabaptist 1.00

00:25:51.760 defile

00:25:52.340 I'm a big

00:25:54.280 Hutterite fan

00:25:55.120 Jumbo Valley

00:25:56.700 is a daughter

00:25:57.900 colony of another

00:25:58.920 colony so the

00:25:59.580 other colony

00:26:00.020 got big

00:26:00.680 and so they

00:26:01.560 split

00:26:01.820 they bought

00:26:02.180 some land

00:26:02.560 and split

00:26:03.140 so Jumbo Valley

00:26:04.760 runs free range

00:26:06.560 turkeys

00:26:06.940 this is the

00:26:07.660 most ethical

00:26:08.840 if there's such

00:26:10.220 a thing

00:26:10.520 of all farming

00:26:11.280 I mean

00:26:11.640 I think all

00:26:12.360 farmers are

00:26:12.840 pretty ethical

00:26:13.460 but these turkeys

00:26:14.460 are living a good

00:26:15.180 life as far as

00:26:16.100 meat turkeys go

00:26:17.320 Jumbo Valley

00:26:18.760 started in 2016

00:26:20.000 so these are

00:26:20.720 state of the art

00:26:21.900 brand new

00:26:22.720 barns that 0.91

00:26:23.660 these turkeys

00:26:24.340 are in

00:26:25.020 and they're

00:26:26.340 using state of

00:26:27.240 the art

00:26:27.520 farming methods

00:26:28.420 to run

00:26:29.040 free range

00:26:30.020 turkeys

00:26:30.360 and yet still

00:26:31.240 that's not

00:26:31.800 enough for

00:26:32.240 these activists

00:26:32.920 to come along

00:26:33.980 and accuse

00:26:34.780 them of being

00:26:35.680 mean or

00:26:36.700 oppressive

00:26:37.540 to their

00:26:38.100 turkeys

00:26:38.860 I gotta tell

00:26:39.920 you too

00:26:40.300 I think

00:26:41.220 you're right

00:26:41.740 that there's

00:26:42.220 some other

00:26:42.760 sinister sort of

00:26:44.520 organization

00:26:45.260 behind these

00:26:46.420 people

00:26:46.820 because

00:26:47.520 in my

00:26:48.880 contact

00:26:49.320 with the

00:26:49.820 people

00:26:50.080 who were

00:26:50.520 actually

00:26:51.100 there

00:26:51.740 and I

00:26:52.460 did have

00:26:52.880 a little

00:26:53.180 bit of

00:26:53.620 contact

00:26:54.400 with the

00:26:55.100 activists

00:26:55.520 who were

00:26:55.840 actually

00:26:56.220 there

00:26:56.440 they're

00:26:57.320 dumb

00:26:57.660 as a

00:26:57.980 pile

00:26:58.240 of

00:26:58.460 hammers

00:26:58.900 these

00:26:59.440 people

00:26:59.740 have me

00:27:00.420 of all

00:27:01.000 people

00:27:01.560 on their

00:27:03.160 media

00:27:03.580 release list

00:27:04.300 so they

00:27:04.700 sent me

00:27:05.340 their

00:27:05.740 pictures

00:27:06.720 from inside

00:27:07.740 the barn

00:27:08.160 that shows

00:27:08.640 you just

00:27:09.020 how dumb

00:27:09.560 they are

00:27:10.100 I mean

00:27:10.660 the last

00:27:11.520 person

00:27:11.940 I am

00:27:12.760 is an

00:27:13.140 animal rights

00:27:13.820 activist

00:27:14.380 I mean

00:27:15.260 I suppose

00:27:15.660 I could

00:27:16.440 be in

00:27:16.900 that I

00:27:17.640 like to

00:27:18.880 eat

00:27:19.180 well loved

00:27:19.820 animals

00:27:20.260 because I

00:27:20.760 think they

00:27:21.200 taste delicious

00:27:22.140 and I

00:27:22.580 insist on

00:27:23.100 eating animals

00:27:23.760 that I knew

00:27:24.160 personally

00:27:24.640 just so I

00:27:25.180 know where

00:27:25.400 my food

00:27:25.800 comes from

00:27:26.380 but they

00:27:27.240 sent me

00:27:27.940 their

00:27:28.520 pictures

00:27:29.880 posing

00:27:30.580 with the

00:27:31.220 turkeys

00:27:31.800 looking longingly

00:27:33.140 into these

00:27:33.760 turkeys eyes

00:27:34.640 thinking that I

00:27:35.600 would somehow

00:27:36.080 be sympathetic

00:27:36.780 to their story

00:27:37.580 and run

00:27:37.940 with it

00:27:38.320 that just

00:27:38.960 tells you

00:27:39.280 how dumb

00:27:39.700 they are

00:27:40.080 well there

00:27:40.440 I mean

00:27:40.700 turkeys are

00:27:41.280 known as

00:27:41.820 dumb

00:27:42.180 animals

00:27:42.640 and it sounds

00:27:43.100 like turkey

00:27:43.820 protesters are

00:27:44.700 dumb too

00:27:45.020 now so I

00:27:47.200 didn't know you

00:27:47.640 were on the

00:27:47.940 media release

00:27:48.520 list obviously

00:27:49.120 global news

00:27:49.800 was also

00:27:50.540 because I was

00:27:51.740 going to say

00:27:52.040 I have a bit

00:27:52.540 of an ethical

00:27:53.440 question about

00:27:54.080 global news

00:27:54.700 participating in

00:27:56.260 this entering

00:27:57.420 into the

00:27:57.860 property and

00:27:58.700 being one of

00:27:59.600 the demands

00:28:00.340 of these

00:28:00.960 eco-terrorists

00:28:01.840 that they

00:28:02.420 film inside

00:28:03.400 there again

00:28:04.420 the fact that

00:28:05.160 the Cheddar

00:28:05.580 family allowed

00:28:07.580 these creeps

00:28:08.400 to go in

00:28:09.000 and surely

00:28:10.020 allowed global

00:28:10.780 news in

00:28:11.280 doesn't make

00:28:12.980 it doesn't

00:28:14.280 make it okay

00:28:14.780 I'm not sure

00:28:15.640 what the ethical

00:28:16.560 thing to do

00:28:17.360 would be

00:28:18.280 if you had

00:28:18.940 been there

00:28:19.320 with a camera

00:28:20.000 you surely

00:28:20.920 would have

00:28:21.240 been welcomed

00:28:21.800 by the colony

00:28:22.520 because you're

00:28:22.880 an ally of

00:28:23.540 theirs

00:28:23.740 I wonder

00:28:24.800 if these

00:28:26.400 farm families

00:28:27.420 felt extorted

00:28:29.020 or threatened

00:28:29.940 to let the

00:28:31.200 cameras on

00:28:31.820 there I have

00:28:32.160 to say this

00:28:32.640 article in

00:28:33.460 global news

00:28:34.080 is fairly

00:28:35.760 balanced

00:28:36.440 it's not

00:28:37.020 anti-hutterite

00:28:38.220 propaganda

00:28:38.800 or anti-turkey

00:28:39.540 propaganda

00:28:40.060 but it

00:28:40.840 doesn't ask

00:28:41.500 the real

00:28:41.860 accountability

00:28:42.320 questions

00:28:43.080 who are

00:28:44.060 these people

00:28:44.520 don't tell

00:28:45.400 me that

00:28:46.300 you can

00:28:46.620 organize

00:28:47.300 30 people

00:28:48.360 to go

00:28:48.840 into the

00:28:49.420 farm

00:28:49.760 and 30

00:28:50.760 more on

00:28:51.220 the street

00:28:51.500 don't tell

00:28:52.060 me you

00:28:52.320 can organize

00:28:53.100 60 people

00:28:54.700 from across

00:28:56.260 western

00:28:56.820 Canada

00:28:57.340 the transportation

00:28:58.680 the accommodation

00:28:59.720 the meals

00:29:00.580 the communications

00:29:01.900 the plan

00:29:02.840 don't tell

00:29:03.800 me you

00:29:04.100 move 60

00:29:04.980 people

00:29:05.400 to a small

00:29:06.400 place

00:29:06.720 called

00:29:06.940 Fort

00:29:07.240 McLeod

00:29:07.760 without

00:29:08.600 an

00:29:09.220 organizing

00:29:09.780 hand

00:29:10.440 and

00:29:10.760 financial

00:29:11.300 interest

00:29:11.660 behind

00:29:11.920 it

00:29:12.020 don't tell

00:29:12.360 me that

00:29:12.680 because I'm

00:29:13.220 not as stupid

00:29:13.700 as a turkey

00:29:14.180 well and you know

00:29:16.440 frankly I'm surprised

00:29:17.540 these guys didn't get

00:29:18.460 lunch out of the

00:29:19.140 hutterites

00:29:19.460 if you've ever had

00:29:20.100 some dealings

00:29:20.620 with the

00:29:20.900 hutterites

00:29:21.320 they'll feed you

00:29:22.860 before they send

00:29:23.540 you on your

00:29:23.980 way but

00:29:24.880 nobody did

00:29:26.520 ask these people

00:29:27.440 why are you all

00:29:28.620 wearing matching

00:29:29.580 t-shirts

00:29:30.160 where did all

00:29:31.380 those t-shirts

00:29:32.120 come from

00:29:32.860 why are you

00:29:33.800 wearing

00:29:34.220 or why are you

00:29:35.660 using

00:29:36.300 professionally made

00:29:37.620 signs in your

00:29:38.920 sort of

00:29:39.760 grassroots

00:29:40.360 protest

00:29:41.000 who rented

00:29:42.060 the bus

00:29:42.980 the yellow

00:29:43.680 school bus

00:29:44.360 they took

00:29:45.220 to get there

00:29:45.740 nobody asked

00:29:46.700 them these

00:29:47.520 questions

00:29:48.100 whatsoever

00:29:49.140 they just

00:29:49.960 you know

00:29:51.700 you're very right

00:29:53.020 when you say

00:29:53.480 that global news

00:29:54.320 just played

00:29:55.340 along

00:29:55.740 they were part

00:29:56.560 of the extortion

00:29:57.600 demands

00:29:58.340 of these

00:29:59.140 activists

00:30:00.100 and giving

00:30:01.600 in

00:30:01.900 I mean

00:30:02.460 it's like

00:30:02.740 negotiating

00:30:03.280 with terrorists

00:30:03.920 right

00:30:04.240 again

00:30:04.900 because of

00:30:05.800 RCMP

00:30:06.260 in action

00:30:07.020 and the

00:30:07.860 media's

00:30:08.560 lack

00:30:09.320 of

00:30:10.220 criticism

00:30:11.460 of any

00:30:12.500 of this

00:30:13.100 just puts

00:30:14.240 a target

00:30:14.640 on our

00:30:15.480 hutterite

00:30:15.880 friends

00:30:16.180 backs

00:30:16.560 the next

00:30:17.120 time

00:30:17.340 these people

00:30:17.820 roll into

00:30:18.340 town

00:30:18.620 with their

00:30:19.040 professional

00:30:19.740 t-shirts

00:30:20.320 professional

00:30:20.980 signs

00:30:22.100 and their

00:30:22.960 bus

00:30:23.200 transportation

00:30:23.880 yeah

00:30:24.440 you know

00:30:25.040 I don't

00:30:25.240 think of

00:30:25.520 myself

00:30:25.820 as a

00:30:26.220 particularly

00:30:26.620 religious

00:30:27.140 person

00:30:27.580 I just

00:30:28.080 don't

00:30:28.220 think I

00:30:28.500 am

00:30:28.780 but

00:30:29.780 it's

00:30:30.420 times like

00:30:31.020 this

00:30:31.340 where the

00:30:31.700 difference

00:30:32.020 between

00:30:32.460 you

00:30:32.680 New

00:30:33.020 Testament

00:30:33.580 turn

00:30:34.540 the

00:30:34.700 other

00:30:34.880 cheek

00:30:35.160 people

00:30:36.480 and me

00:30:37.320 in the

00:30:37.560 Old

00:30:37.780 Testament

00:30:38.280 fire

00:30:41.220 and brimstone

00:30:42.160 people

00:30:42.700 the God

00:30:43.680 of wrath

00:30:44.360 I feel

00:30:46.100 the difference

00:30:46.780 because I

00:30:48.060 have to say

00:30:48.860 I am full

00:30:50.020 of an anger

00:30:50.580 on behalf

00:30:51.300 of these

00:30:51.980 hutterites

00:30:53.220 even if they

00:30:53.920 don't feel

00:30:54.460 it for

00:30:54.780 themselves

00:30:55.380 and

00:30:56.880 I know

00:30:59.020 a little

00:30:59.240 bit about

00:30:59.560 the law

00:31:00.020 Sheila

00:31:00.300 I know

00:31:00.700 that

00:31:00.920 you have

00:31:01.880 the law

00:31:02.340 as an

00:31:02.660 you can

00:31:03.300 go to

00:31:03.700 court

00:31:03.980 as an

00:31:04.340 individual

00:31:04.760 and say

00:31:05.460 judge

00:31:06.440 I've been

00:31:06.980 personally

00:31:07.640 wronged

00:31:08.340 by these

00:31:08.840 people

00:31:09.220 and I

00:31:10.060 seek

00:31:10.360 justice

00:31:10.960 in a

00:31:11.400 civil

00:31:11.620 court

00:31:11.960 they've

00:31:13.000 committed

00:31:13.220 a tort

00:31:13.840 against me

00:31:14.520 is the

00:31:14.900 word we

00:31:15.280 use

00:31:15.660 obviously

00:31:17.040 the

00:31:17.300 hutterites

00:31:17.700 would never

00:31:18.180 pursue

00:31:18.740 that

00:31:19.140 and that's

00:31:21.500 part of the

00:31:21.900 problem here

00:31:22.440 is the

00:31:22.700 hutterites

00:31:23.120 weren't

00:31:23.400 enforcing

00:31:23.980 their

00:31:24.220 rights

00:31:24.620 because

00:31:25.260 they had

00:31:25.880 this

00:31:26.180 Christian

00:31:26.700 deference

00:31:28.200 even in

00:31:29.140 the face

00:31:29.640 of these

00:31:30.000 I'm going

00:31:31.620 to use

00:31:31.820 the word

00:31:32.060 evil

00:31:32.300 I'm not

00:31:32.540 going to

00:31:32.720 say it's

00:31:32.960 a deep

00:31:33.280 satanic

00:31:33.800 evil

00:31:34.060 but it's

00:31:34.420 an abusive

00:31:35.100 evil

00:31:37.600 but the

00:31:39.900 queen has 0.97

00:31:40.520 an interest

00:31:40.980 in the

00:31:41.280 law too

00:31:41.780 and that's

00:31:42.900 why when

00:31:43.260 you see

00:31:43.600 a criminal

00:31:44.040 case

00:31:44.560 the victim

00:31:45.920 doesn't

00:31:46.480 have to

00:31:46.920 file the

00:31:47.480 lawsuit

00:31:47.880 against the

00:31:48.620 criminal

00:31:48.940 because the

00:31:49.920 criminal has

00:31:50.460 committed an

00:31:51.440 offense

00:31:51.900 not just

00:31:53.100 against his

00:31:53.720 victim

00:31:54.100 but against

00:31:55.560 the order

00:31:56.100 of the

00:31:56.380 land

00:31:56.620 against the

00:31:57.240 queen 0.69

00:31:57.460 that's why

00:31:58.000 when you

00:31:58.680 see a

00:31:59.200 prosecution

00:32:00.040 it's the

00:32:00.780 queen versus

00:32:01.500 so and so

00:32:02.140 are

00:32:02.720 that's the

00:32:04.180 that's the

00:32:04.980 initial of

00:32:05.560 regina

00:32:06.080 which means

00:32:07.100 queen in 0.94

00:32:07.780 latin

00:32:08.200 are versus

00:32:09.560 smith

00:32:10.640 because even

00:32:12.220 if the

00:32:13.160 person smith

00:32:14.080 punched

00:32:14.640 is too

00:32:16.160 Christian

00:32:16.660 to sue

00:32:17.600 the queen

00:32:18.840 will sue

00:32:19.520 with her

00:32:20.780 attorney general

00:32:21.580 because she

00:32:22.920 can't stand

00:32:23.860 the lawlessness

00:32:24.700 and that's a

00:32:25.920 very lengthy

00:32:26.680 way of saying

00:32:27.460 the Christian

00:32:29.380 turn the

00:32:29.920 other cheek

00:32:30.500 and the

00:32:31.640 cop turn the

00:32:32.380 other cheek

00:32:32.980 but the

00:32:34.220 queen 0.69

00:32:34.580 must prosecute

00:32:36.420 this was a

00:32:38.000 crime

00:32:38.460 this was a

00:32:39.620 crime of

00:32:40.220 trespass

00:32:40.980 of extortion

00:32:42.000 I put it to

00:32:43.400 you as a

00:32:43.840 crime of

00:32:44.280 theft

00:32:44.560 it was a

00:32:44.960 crime of

00:32:45.340 mischief

00:32:45.720 there were

00:32:46.320 many crimes

00:32:46.960 here and I

00:32:47.400 am not

00:32:47.720 satisfied with

00:32:48.540 this Sheila

00:32:49.000 no I

00:32:51.240 think it's

00:32:51.880 it's terrible

00:32:52.880 what happened

00:32:53.860 to these

00:32:54.320 Hutterites and

00:32:55.040 everything that

00:32:55.940 happened since

00:32:57.220 the moment

00:32:57.880 those activists

00:32:58.740 set their foot

00:32:59.940 on the

00:33:00.280 Hutterite farms

00:33:01.060 has been

00:33:01.860 terrible

00:33:02.380 I mean the

00:33:03.120 inaction by

00:33:03.820 the police

00:33:04.380 the

00:33:05.120 complicity

00:33:06.640 of the

00:33:07.720 media

00:33:08.140 and then

00:33:09.380 this

00:33:11.400 the Hutterites

00:33:13.100 like you say

00:33:14.500 they're

00:33:14.840 they're

00:33:15.340 Christian

00:33:15.820 pacifists

00:33:17.040 but that

00:33:17.560 doesn't make

00:33:18.040 them any

00:33:18.440 less a

00:33:18.880 victim of

00:33:19.900 this crime

00:33:20.500 and it is

00:33:20.940 the government

00:33:21.500 the crown's

00:33:23.240 obligation to

00:33:24.420 do something to

00:33:25.120 make sure that

00:33:25.660 this doesn't

00:33:26.120 happen to

00:33:26.620 them again

00:33:27.140 because these

00:33:28.280 people will

00:33:29.300 be back

00:33:29.920 yeah I'm

00:33:31.520 very mad about

00:33:32.240 this you and

00:33:33.060 I should talk

00:33:33.640 offline about

00:33:35.100 things we can

00:33:35.720 possibly do

00:33:36.660 journalistically and

00:33:38.020 otherwise because

00:33:39.460 I fear that if

00:33:40.780 we rely on

00:33:42.640 the good nature

00:33:44.460 of the victim

00:33:45.780 and the

00:33:47.120 work avoidance

00:33:49.380 path of least

00:33:50.100 resistance of

00:33:51.000 Sergeant Brian

00:33:51.840 Mucha that

00:33:53.380 there will be no

00:33:53.960 justice here and

00:33:54.780 rather as you

00:33:55.540 prophesy there

00:33:57.160 will be more of

00:33:57.920 this because now

00:33:58.620 the precedent is

00:33:59.400 set I have

00:34:02.380 some ideas that

00:34:03.080 maybe I'll share

00:34:03.580 with you offline

00:34:04.240 but I am I do

00:34:05.460 not feel that we

00:34:06.260 should be done

00:34:06.740 with this even

00:34:07.340 if Mr.

00:34:07.860 Cheddar is

00:34:08.400 I don't think

00:34:10.200 so either

00:34:10.760 the like you

00:34:14.440 said the

00:34:14.780 Hutterites are

00:34:15.240 pacifists they're 0.56

00:34:15.840 not going to do

00:34:16.300 anything about

00:34:17.000 this or maybe

00:34:18.040 they will maybe

00:34:18.740 they won't but

00:34:20.380 this is about at

00:34:22.280 the end of the

00:34:22.840 day the Hutterites

00:34:23.720 are a family farm

00:34:24.900 just like mine and

00:34:26.660 so the same laws

00:34:27.820 that protect my

00:34:28.660 family farm that

00:34:30.080 are enforced to

00:34:31.320 protect my family

00:34:32.260 farm should be

00:34:33.160 enforced to

00:34:33.640 protect theirs

00:34:34.240 I could only

00:34:34.840 imagine it's one

00:34:35.500 thing I mean

00:34:35.960 obviously Mr.

00:34:37.220 Cheddar here is a

00:34:38.520 grown-up and he

00:34:39.260 can communicate

00:34:40.560 well enough and

00:34:42.140 he can deal with

00:34:42.840 the secular world

00:34:43.940 but he talked

00:34:45.120 about his boys

00:34:45.860 and I wonder

00:34:46.500 what the children

00:34:47.240 thought I wonder

00:34:48.520 what the children

00:34:49.020 I'll tell you one

00:34:49.600 thing you bring

00:34:50.800 30 people onto

00:34:52.260 my backyard when

00:34:53.360 my children are

00:34:54.100 there that's not

00:34:55.140 something I'm going

00:34:55.700 to turn the other

00:34:56.220 cheek on too

00:34:56.860 quickly all right

00:34:58.140 I'm in a quiet

00:35:00.780 rage right now

00:35:01.860 Sheila let's you 0.96

00:35:03.200 and me talk some

00:35:03.800 more about this

00:35:04.460 and maybe there'll

00:35:05.460 be another chapter

00:35:06.200 here where we get

00:35:06.780 closer to justice

00:35:07.640 you bet

00:35:09.120 all right thanks

00:35:09.800 for coming on

00:35:10.240 the show

00:35:10.620 you got it Ezra

00:35:12.220 all right there's

00:35:12.880 my friend and

00:35:13.780 our chief reporter

00:35:14.540 Alberta Bureau

00:35:15.740 Chief Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:35:17.800 a farmer in her

00:35:18.720 own right a friend

00:35:19.660 of Hatterites you 0.81

00:35:20.280 heard it and of

00:35:21.360 course a friend of

00:35:22.500 justice stay with

00:35:25.340 us more ahead on

00:35:26.000 the rebel

00:35:26.300 hey what do you think

00:35:39.100 of that turkey story

00:35:39.900 I'm so mad about

00:35:41.080 that I think I'm

00:35:42.320 mad especially

00:35:42.880 because they won't

00:35:43.600 fight back for

00:35:44.240 themselves if they

00:35:45.080 were regular folks

00:35:45.860 fighting back yeah

00:35:47.480 okay they're big

00:35:48.800 boys they're grown

00:35:49.340 ups they were I

00:35:50.160 agree with Sheila

00:35:50.640 completely they were

00:35:51.360 targeted precisely

00:35:52.640 because they're too

00:35:53.680 nice and I listen I

00:35:55.520 wish the whole world

00:35:56.320 was nice like that

00:35:57.380 but the problem

00:35:58.160 when you got a

00:35:58.720 group of people

00:35:59.380 that are nice like

00:36:00.160 that and you have

00:36:01.220 organized professional

00:36:03.160 protesters they target

00:36:04.520 them that's bullying

00:36:05.680 that's bullying and

00:36:06.840 normally bullying is

00:36:07.800 against kids and you

00:36:08.620 protect the kids

00:36:09.280 these Hatterites are 0.98

00:36:10.960 childlike in their

00:36:11.920 sense of kindness

00:36:13.340 you see what I mean by

00:36:14.460 that and the cop the

00:36:16.620 cop was of no help

00:36:18.120 I'm mad about that I

00:36:19.240 want to do more I'm

00:36:20.780 going to talk to

00:36:21.220 Sheila about what we

00:36:21.820 can do all right

00:36:22.800 that's the end of the

00:36:23.380 show for today until

00:36:24.400 tomorrow on behalf of

00:36:25.400 all of us here at the

00:36:26.100 rebel to you at home

00:36:27.660 good night and keep

00:36:28.340 fighting for freedom

00:36:29.180 including freedom to

00:36:31.180 keep out those stupid

00:36:32.880 hippies

00:36:33.380 you

Rebel News Podcast - September 06, 2019

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