Rebel News Podcast - Manitoba's next election is next week： Will the Progressive Conservatives hold？

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00:01:12.520 Manitoba voters are headed to the polls next week.

00:01:15.280 Will that province remain conservative blue?

00:01:19.000 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:22.380 On September 10th, Manitobans cast their vote in their provincial election.

00:01:44.960 Conservative Premier Brian Pallister is asking Manitobans to give him one more term.

00:01:50.340 And NDP leader Wab Kanu is asking Manitobans to return the NDP to power after sitting out a term.

00:01:59.980 Now, I've been paying close attention to Manitoba because they were the first provincial government

00:02:04.640 to swing back conservative after Justin Trudeau was elected federally.

00:02:09.580 They were the first domino that fell before Ontario, before Alberta, before Quebec, and before New Brunswick.

00:02:16.340 Now, my guest tonight has been an independent journalist in Winnipeg for a very long time.

00:02:22.900 You've seen him before.

00:02:23.780 He's becoming a bit of a regular on the show.

00:02:26.160 And he's been watching the polls and the issues that matter in Manitoba.

00:02:31.140 And he's also been watching the mainstream media coverage of the election.

00:02:36.340 Has it been as terrible as what we experienced here in Alberta a few short months ago?

00:02:41.200 Or is it as bad as what we're seeing unfold at the federal level right now?

00:02:46.300 Marty Gold joins me in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon to discuss all this and more,

00:02:53.020 plus his predictions for Election Day.

00:02:55.180 Joining me now for an update about all things Manitoba as the election approaches is independent journalist Marty Gold.

00:03:20.460 Hey, Marty, thanks for joining me.

00:03:21.940 We've got a lot to talk about.

00:03:23.180 Holy moly, with the election approaching, one of the great things that you uncovered that I don't think the rest of the mainstream media really touched on

00:03:33.580 was a poll in Manitoba that showed the PCs and the NDP in a dead heat.

00:03:39.780 The poll was flawed, but you dug down that extra level to show that there was something a little bit more, I don't know, sinister at play?

00:03:50.400 Well, it wasn't really me, honestly.

00:03:54.540 Don't be modest.

00:03:55.900 Don't be modest.

00:03:56.320 No, no, no.

00:03:56.720 The credit does go to the Liberal Party of Manitoba.

00:03:59.820 The poll came out.

00:04:01.080 The election was called on August 13th.

00:04:03.280 And, you know, you and I had had the discussion about me keeping an eye on media coverage of the election,

00:04:09.200 as well as the election issues themselves.

00:04:11.580 And CBC, it didn't take long for the election coverage by the mainstream media to go sideways.

00:04:17.800 And the taxpayers got to pay for this one.

00:04:20.800 A reporter at CBC, you know, it's a weekend.

00:04:24.700 I heard all sorts of excuses were bandied about.

00:04:26.720 It's a weekend, you know, short staff, this, that.

00:04:29.000 And here a poll comes out on a Friday put up by an organization that nobody had ever really heard of before called Converso,

00:04:36.780 claiming that the NDP and the PCs, four days after the election was called, that they're the headline.

00:04:42.200 In dead heat, heading into Manitoba election, poll suggests the previous gulf is narrowed.

00:04:48.700 Gulf, rather, is narrowed.

00:04:50.140 And this is how CBC portrayed this poll, by Converso.

00:04:54.140 Now, the next morning, the liberals had a press release out that was getting good circulation.

00:05:02.260 Before even the mainstream media had been able to look at the CBC story, they said, well, the website doesn't identify who owns, runs, or works for the company.

00:05:11.520 It's full of red flags.

00:05:13.180 The poll is supposedly uncommissioned.

00:05:14.960 They didn't disclose their background or that there's a link between the company owner and the NDP, according to, I think it was a letter that he himself had written to the Globe and Mail, no, Toronto Star, in 2007.

00:05:28.200 And this is because, here's the poll showing the NDP tied with the Conservatives, and it would, if there was a nefarious purpose to putting out a poll like that, it would be twofold.

00:05:38.600 One, to build momentum for the NDP in opposition of the Conservatives to the Pallister government, and B, to deflate any hope of the Liberals rising up because of a lack of momentum for the Wab Canoe-led NDP.

00:05:52.320 So, by the Saturday afternoon, like this is, you know, days after the campaign starts, and the pollster had to issue a statement saying, we didn't weigh the data properly, will we get back to you on Monday?

00:06:05.760 And so, when they updated the results based on the belief, the finding, that the results were too heavily weighted, this was 1,100 and some odd respondents, that too much weight was given to northern ridings, which are universally, you know, New Democratic Party territory, like flint-flown and far-flung places like that, for the most part.

00:06:32.580 All of a sudden, you came up with new poll results that were within the range everybody would have expected, except maybe the NDP, showing the Conservatives at 35% support, the NDP at 21%, the Liberals at 12%, and the Green Party at 8%.

00:06:46.320 Now, this kind of backfired a bit on the Liberals in a way, because the other poll results had them, I think, closer to 15% or 16%, and there's about 20% that either wouldn't say or weren't declared.

00:06:56.980 So, when you look at those kind of poll results and you distribute the undecideds or the won't-say-sos accordingly, you know, you've got the NDP sitting at, you know, more or less 26%, 27%, 28%, which is not going to cut it for Wabken, who's continued leadership.

00:07:13.160 And that doesn't really result in a lot of rioting changes.

00:07:17.400 So, the discrepancy was caused by an overweighting of responses.

00:07:20.720 Well, now the media has to revisit the issue and say, hey, there's a poll that was put out, and now they've had to correct their results, and it turns out.

00:07:29.380 So, CBC has all the heat on them, was a reporter named, I think, Bryce Hoyt, who had reported this.

00:07:36.020 And, again, it's like the reporter just takes a press release, doesn't even look at the polling company.

00:07:42.380 Because if you look and you see, oh, I wonder who's behind this company, how long have they existed, how many other polls have they put out, and there's nothing there, you don't go, wait a second.

00:07:51.240 Well, not when you're at CBC, because, lo and behold, they, you know, generally speaking, we believe that CBC-Knicks would be delighted by any poll showing a neck-and-neck race, let alone of a conservative government, right?

00:08:04.280 So, they then have to write a correction, a correcting story, and my compadre, Spirited Kenny, picked up on this, as well as a few other people and made sure to send it to me, that the headline repeated, that the, you know, poll, a correction, the poll suggesting a man of PCs and NDP are in dead heat.

00:08:27.480 So, it's in the headline, it repeats in the subhead, Converso poll placed PCs at 31, NDP at 30, so repeats the false finding, then in the first paragraph repeats the phrase, well, a dead heat is now, it was, you know, a victim of a waiting issue, then the next paragraph, the usual poll suggesting the gulf had narrowed and the two parties are in a dead heat, then it repeats the 31 at 30, and the next paragraph, then one paragraph dedicated to the liberals, the greens, the undecided,

00:08:57.480 and then one says, and then in the fifth paragraph, one, two, three, four, the fifth paragraph, again, repeating the poll, despite leading the polls since the election 2016, Brian Pousenberg, as the conservatives, had fallen into a dead heat with Wapkin, who's NDP.

00:09:14.240 So, it refuted their original story at the same time, while repeating the falsehood five different times, plus in the headline, plus in the subhead.

00:09:26.000 So, look, I have friends that have worked for CBC, I've filed things in my past with CBC, I lived in Canada's north, where CBC is absolutely necessary.

00:09:35.700 But it's instances like that, where when people say defund CBC, you can see why people believe that it's, what's the term I'm looking for, Sheila, irredeemable?

00:09:48.380 Yeah.

00:09:48.800 When you've got a story that they got completely wrong, they were the only ones to bite, they did absolutely no research into the poll at all, and then instead of apologizing, instead of explaining, how did this happen?

00:10:01.380 How did we fail? And look, stories will get past you, and you've got to play catch-up.

00:10:07.220 They doubled down on it. Like, hoping the guy would say, hey, wait, we reweighted it wrong. We were right in the first place.

00:10:14.760 They repeated that, the flawed result, basically, in every damn paragraph. 0.95

00:10:19.380 Now, another poll that came out, and this one was CP, Canadian press coverage, that was really interesting, because they had to find a nice way of explaining something, 0.95

00:10:28.660 that something being, how unpopular are Manitoba's political leaders?

00:10:34.320 And so, to try to get this on the table, and I'm not complaining about the writing, just to show how convoluted political coverage can be,

00:10:44.040 NDP leader Wab Canu was less unpopular than the others, which is just a funny way to have to explain things.

00:10:52.760 Even this morning, I was at a press conference held by the Liberals, we'll actually talk about later,

00:10:58.700 and one of the assembled ink-stained wretches asked the Liberal leader, Dougal Lamont, about the fact that he's less unpopular than all the other leaders.

00:11:10.640 And Dougal had a good laugh about it, because, you know, he recognizes that sometimes people don't care about party platforms,

00:11:18.300 they just vote strictly on the base of the leader, and in that regard, Canu gets off better, at a minus 6%, compared to minus 15% for Brian Pallister.

00:11:29.640 Now, by comparison, Andrew Scheer's and Angus Reid poll, federally, released at the end of August, showed the Conservative leader federally, Andrew Scheer, minus 14%.

00:11:38.640 So, from this, we understand that, relatively speaking, more or less, Brian Pallister and Andrew Scheer are equally unpopular, I guess a way to put it.

00:11:48.880 Canu, a lot less unpopular than his federal leader, Mr. Singh, who's at minus 19%.

00:11:56.380 Prime Minister Trudeau, a minus 32% approval rating.

00:11:59.560 So, in that regard, comparing the Angus Reid result, which, granted, is national, not weighted for Manitoba,

00:12:04.800 generally speaking, it's fair to say that the Trudeau anchor is not weighing that heavily around the neck of the Liberal leader, Mr. Lamont.

00:12:14.260 Now, one thing that does hang around his neck a little bit is it's hard to get fair media coverage for a third party at the best of times.

00:12:21.320 In this case, you know, they luckily, with his by-election victory, attained party status in Manitoba,

00:12:27.320 well, the first time since, I think, since Sharon Carstairs' day.

00:12:31.960 I don't know that they might have attained party status in the early 90s, briefly.

00:12:37.520 But even when you are an actual third party, as opposed to just a group of opposition members,

00:12:42.780 it's hard to get reasonable press coverage.

00:12:45.340 And the flip side of Canadian press trying to discuss the favorability and unfavorability of the leaders in a literate way.

00:12:53.940 They ran an article, as did many of the media here, slamming the Conservatives for skipping.

00:12:59.540 There's been various town halls and such events the Conservatives have not sent representatives to.

00:13:05.460 Generally, the excuse being if they're organized by the anti-poverty industry.

00:13:10.020 These are, a lot of them are NDP activists.

00:13:12.020 We don't want to walk into a lion's den, so to speak.

00:13:15.600 So, a Canadian press article from August 23rd that Spirited Kenny picked up on,

00:13:21.940 Tory incumbents accused of ducking debates in Manitoba election,

00:13:26.160 and it gave the example of the anti-poverty forum and said a liberal candidate was also there

00:13:32.440 and didn't name the liberal candidate.

00:13:34.580 Well, you know, media-wise, that's not fair.

00:13:36.840 If you're going to slam the Tories or any other party for not showing up,

00:13:40.020 if a party sends a representative, they deserve to get their name in the paper,

00:13:44.420 you know, so that people know that this person's put in the effort.

00:13:49.660 Another thing that Spirited Kenny has done, and he's at Spirited Kenny on Twitter,

00:13:54.420 he was my senior producer, grew into that role when we were on,

00:13:59.320 when the Great Canadian Talk Show was on Kick FM in Winnipeg,

00:14:02.000 and he was one of the first, along with myself, to do news podcasting in Winnipeg.

00:14:08.500 He had his own radio show on Kick FM as well.

00:14:10.960 Kenny's been surveying, it's funny, I almost said foreign media,

00:14:15.520 out of Winnipeg media, foreign to Winnipeggers.

00:14:19.360 You know, when I was on radio, I used to make a point of looking beyond,

00:14:22.420 we have a condition in Winnipeg, it's called perimeteritis.

00:14:25.240 We don't tend to look beyond the perimeter highway,

00:14:28.280 unless it's a complaint about how good Headingley has it since they seceded,

00:14:32.120 and how Blaret and these other bedroom communities are growing and prospering.

00:14:36.840 But he's been keeping an eye on coverage outside of the province,

00:14:39.580 and the Thompson citizen in particular had quite a scoop,

00:14:43.860 where Premier Pallister made a visit up to Thompson.

00:14:46.940 I just want to add parenthetically,

00:14:48.580 a place that I once upon long ago, as a young man, 0.96

00:14:52.320 lived and enjoyed the best darn hamburger and French fries outside, 0.69

00:14:57.000 certainly outside of Winnipeg at a place called Popeyes, 0.96

00:14:59.680 that didn't serve chicken.

00:15:02.760 Pallister said a couple of things were really,

00:15:05.320 you know, he was very blunt with the Thompson citizen.

00:15:08.500 I didn't catch the name of the reporter.

00:15:10.600 But it's almost like, you know, the way he talked to that media

00:15:14.780 was different than the way he would talk to media in Winnipeg.

00:15:17.060 He said that about this,

00:15:22.520 there are a lot of the campaign has been arguments about

00:15:24.780 health care changes to the hospitals, in particular Winnipeg,

00:15:28.360 if money's being cut from budgets or not,

00:15:30.740 and some of this may or may not be hocus pocus,

00:15:32.740 or nurses being fired.

00:15:34.400 And Pallister said, no matter how many times you say something that's a lie,

00:15:37.180 it remains a lie.

00:15:38.080 It's an NDP and a public sector union,

00:15:40.500 nurses union myth about health care cuts.

00:15:42.920 So he was really pushing back with very stark language.

00:15:47.200 And he turned his attention,

00:15:49.640 at least the way the story was written,

00:15:51.680 to Wob Canute on a personal level that kind of surprised me.

00:15:57.680 According to the story,

00:15:59.800 Pallister knew what it was like to grow up in a household

00:16:01.800 where there wasn't enough money.

00:16:03.000 And I've heard him say that before, many times,

00:16:05.740 including when I've interviewed him,

00:16:07.520 which is why he's big on tax cuts,

00:16:09.300 but that the NDP leader did not.

00:16:11.100 The house he grew up in was triple of the size I was raised in,

00:16:16.160 and mine didn't have indoor plumbing.

00:16:19.320 That's a, I don't know if it was triple the size.

00:16:22.240 I believe Wob Canute was raised in suburban St.

00:16:25.520 Patel,

00:16:26.780 and the premier either in or just outside of Portial Prairie

00:16:30.360 in a farming environment.

00:16:32.360 But that's a very direct broadside.

00:16:36.820 He went on to say,

00:16:39.680 we might have had spoons in our house,

00:16:41.780 but they were not silver.

00:16:42.960 Well, again, I've never heard anybody,

00:16:45.040 I've never heard anybody talk about Wob Canute

00:16:48.140 as having a silver spoon in his mouth,

00:16:50.020 but he was definitely better off

00:16:51.480 than the typical Aboriginal person being raised in Winnipeg.

00:16:55.140 His mother being a university instructor,

00:16:57.200 I'm going by memory,

00:16:57.840 I believe his father was a,

00:16:59.260 I might be wrong,

00:16:59.960 but I think his father was a chief.

00:17:01.720 So, you know,

00:17:02.560 not the worst upbringing compared to his peers,

00:17:05.240 so to speak.

00:17:06.100 Sounds better than middle class to me, actually.

00:17:09.500 Listen, generally,

00:17:10.340 that's what I've heard about Canute growing up,

00:17:13.020 that he did not exactly have a hard time.

00:17:15.580 Mr. Canute didn't go to public school.

00:17:17.460 He went to a private school.

00:17:18.880 He was handed more benefits than any premier

00:17:21.340 in the last 60 years in this province.

00:17:24.160 That's the truth.

00:17:26.000 That was a very surprising,

00:17:31.040 I don't even know how to describe it.

00:17:33.820 I mean, it's a weird kind of personal attack.

00:17:39.060 If the point is that, you know,

00:17:40.860 Canute says he's for the poor and whatever,

00:17:42.480 and he doesn't know what poor is I do,

00:17:44.600 I don't know that I would have phrased it that way.

00:17:47.700 And then the premier went on from there

00:17:50.000 in portraying Canute as being a privileged person

00:17:52.440 and more privileged than, I mean, think of that list.

00:17:55.220 Walter Weir, I have no idea really

00:17:56.520 what Weir's background was, too old for me.

00:17:59.380 Sterling Lyon, Greg Selinger didn't have life easy.

00:18:03.100 His mom was a single mom and ran a clothing store.

00:18:07.060 But he's even saying that the other NDP leaders,

00:18:09.560 Mr. Schreier, that even the other NDP

00:18:11.740 and conservative leaders that preceded Canute,

00:18:13.900 Canute had a better life than all of them,

00:18:15.520 which, you know, look, objectively might be true.

00:18:18.760 It could be correct.

00:18:19.840 But it's just a very, very, again,

00:18:26.380 I can't find an adjective to describe it.

00:18:30.640 You know, it borders on like a real personal dislike.

00:18:36.200 Yeah.

00:18:37.260 Can I tell you something?

00:18:38.300 I want to tell you, it's strange.

00:18:40.720 Yeah, but here's, maybe I have a unique perspective on this

00:18:44.400 because I also grew up with the next to nothing.

00:18:48.080 We had the things we needed to be alive,

00:18:50.800 but probably none of the things we really wanted.

00:18:55.360 And I've got, there are days where I seriously run out of patience

00:18:59.240 from fancy NDP socialists

00:19:03.500 who've never had to want for anything in their life

00:19:06.900 telling me what it takes not to be poor anymore.

00:19:10.660 And you run out of patience for it.

00:19:14.340 You get sick of hearing from people

00:19:16.580 who've never experienced poverty

00:19:18.420 tell you what the solutions to poverty are

00:19:21.160 when you've somehow managed to work your way

00:19:23.500 into the middle class.

00:19:24.680 And I, maybe Selinger ran out of,

00:19:28.300 or I'm sorry, maybe Pallister ran out of patience.

00:19:30.540 And I can see that after a campaign

00:19:32.800 that where you're hearing how elitist and how elitist Tories are

00:19:38.140 and how they're beholden to corporations

00:19:40.520 when I genuinely think that Pallister thinks

00:19:44.200 that he's making changes that are going to help people move

00:19:46.800 out of poverty into the, you know, working poor

00:19:50.420 and then into the middle class.

00:19:51.780 I genuinely think he believes he's making those changes

00:19:54.520 and it can be pretty frustrating to hear

00:19:56.940 from somebody like Canu, who grew up,

00:20:00.400 I'll say it, pretty privileged,

00:20:02.760 tell you what it takes to help those people.

00:20:05.420 Well, look, the hard times that Wab Canu faced

00:20:07.260 were of his own doing, his own behavior,

00:20:11.100 the people he chose to hang out with,

00:20:12.520 the lifestyle that he chose to pursue.

00:20:15.700 But he didn't have a troubled youth

00:20:18.380 by any normative stretch.

00:20:21.180 And I read his book.

00:20:22.000 I didn't see anything in there that,

00:20:23.400 but I, even in my day, grew up around people

00:20:26.360 that had a lot worse upbringing,

00:20:29.440 a lot worse surroundings than Mr. Canu did.

00:20:32.180 Another thing that Mr. Pallister did on that northern run,

00:20:34.540 just to complete that concept,

00:20:36.840 he talked about how Canu is a signatory

00:20:38.860 to the Leap Manifesto.

00:20:39.860 And here you are in Thompson,

00:20:40.860 Manitoba's north, where there's mineral development

00:20:46.140 and natural resources.

00:20:48.380 And here's Canu saying that he's for the people,

00:20:51.480 but he's actually against the rural economy in Manitoba.

00:20:53.820 So he made sure to hammer that home,

00:20:55.620 as well as we're saying, as Pallister put it,

00:20:58.680 we're standing against Mr. Trudeau's proposal

00:21:00.400 regarding carbon tax.

00:21:02.220 And Mr. Canu is supporting it and wants it to go higher,

00:21:04.480 which is a very thin way to cut that French fry,

00:21:09.300 because Pallister's also imposed a carbon tax

00:21:12.100 and did not run on it.

00:21:13.440 Contrary to what his apologists say,

00:21:15.100 he did not run on a carbon tax in the last election.

00:21:17.900 He was not elected in any way

00:21:19.600 because of his position on carbon tax.

00:21:21.660 He has, to his credit,

00:21:22.540 tried to minimize the impact of carbon tax

00:21:24.260 and is willing now to challenge it in court.

00:21:27.320 And Canu definitely wants it to go up.

00:21:28.840 And that really doesn't play well to people that are employed.

00:21:32.000 You would think that wouldn't play well.

00:21:33.360 Well, we'll see.

00:21:34.480 To people employed in the resource sector of the economy.

00:21:37.440 I want to go back for half a second

00:21:39.300 of what you just referenced

00:21:40.280 about people being tired of the NDP preaching at them,

00:21:43.600 of privileged white wine socialists, so to speak,

00:21:46.360 preaching at them about how they are the ones

00:21:51.800 that represent the interests of the poor

00:21:53.260 and of the working class, et cetera.

00:21:55.300 In the last election, the NDP lost about 90,000 voters.

00:21:59.740 And somebody was crunching numbers from the last,

00:22:02.820 I think it was a probe poll,

00:22:05.000 that indicates that a lot of those 90,000 voters

00:22:08.360 are not going to go back to the NDP

00:22:09.680 and that a third of them,

00:22:11.600 I think I heard that a third are going to intend

00:22:14.500 to vote conservative again.

00:22:16.900 So the NDP is suffering what Stewart,

00:22:20.040 what the conservative suffered when Stu Murray was leader,

00:22:22.660 running against Gary Dewar in 2003,

00:22:25.620 where 100,000 conservative votes disappeared,

00:22:28.440 never to appear again.

00:22:29.460 And that's what the mountain that after that, 0.97

00:22:33.620 Hugh McFadden and then Brian Pallister had to climb

00:22:35.980 in terms of really step-by-step climbing up the mountain again

00:22:40.380 to accrue enough votes to form government.

00:22:43.440 One situation that emerged that was written about

00:22:48.020 in the Winnipeg Free Press by Dan Lett

00:22:51.780 was about government information laws

00:22:54.720 and the restrictions on the release of government information

00:22:56.880 during election campaigns.

00:22:59.100 And this has become a political football

00:23:01.080 where some information was released by some departments

00:23:03.820 that bolstered Mr. Pallister's contention

00:23:08.240 about success of his government programs.

00:23:10.540 The Regional Health Authority,

00:23:11.560 the Winnipeg Regional Health Authority,

00:23:13.040 as Dan Lett described at the end of August,

00:23:16.120 is a Friday night.

00:23:17.380 They called a press conference

00:23:18.540 because the lawyers had told the WHA CEO

00:23:23.760 he could read the wait time numbers

00:23:26.520 for emergency and urgent care centers over the phone,

00:23:29.480 but they could not physically produce a document

00:23:32.560 or a webpage with those numbers.

00:23:34.560 So here's Mr. Cloutier,

00:23:36.900 and I've been to a few of these WHA press conferences

00:23:38.700 in person,

00:23:39.660 having to read the numbers for half an hour

00:23:41.740 at the Grey's Hospital,

00:23:42.980 the wait time it is.

00:23:43.920 And I don't know if it would have been

00:23:46.420 between this week and that week

00:23:47.960 or what the metrics were.

00:23:50.800 Now, Dan Lett described the circumstances

00:23:53.280 about journalists having to cover this

00:23:55.500 that I'll get back to at the end.

00:23:57.840 But the findings were that, you know,

00:23:59.260 wait times had been,

00:24:02.080 you know, the wait times had gone down marginally,

00:24:06.060 but the numbers overall

00:24:07.120 as they were being released by the WHA

00:24:08.800 didn't actually favor the conservative government

00:24:11.600 crowing success.

00:24:15.480 But, you know, more important,

00:24:17.180 and this was after the WHA refused to release numbers,

00:24:19.260 and then they get pushed to do it

00:24:21.240 because the Palozo government felt

00:24:23.240 that these numbers would be helpful to their re-election.

00:24:27.280 And Dan Lett called it an absurd end

00:24:29.700 to an absurd week

00:24:30.580 in which bureaucrats took turns 0.99

00:24:32.260 twisting themselves into semantic pretzels

00:24:35.380 trying to figure out what they could or couldn't say

00:24:37.380 during the election campaign.

00:24:38.680 So Manitoba Health put out an update

00:24:41.000 on the Health System Transformation Initiative

00:24:42.920 that Dan Lett says was almost certainly

00:24:44.820 a violation of the Election Finances Act,

00:24:47.340 and yet there's other instances where they couldn't.

00:24:49.680 And this act itself is just so vaguely written

00:24:52.780 that it gives any bureaucrat an excuse

00:24:54.240 to not be transparent with the public,

00:24:57.020 to not be accountable

00:24:57.940 because it could be seen as partisan.

00:25:02.000 And, you know, the way it's written

00:25:04.980 and the way it's being interpreted

00:25:05.820 are two different things.

00:25:06.800 This is strangling the ability

00:25:08.820 of not just the public,

00:25:10.000 but of journalists to get information,

00:25:12.260 to analyze platforms.

00:25:14.420 Dan Lett did have one knee slapper here 1.00

00:25:16.560 saying the WHA was normally

00:25:18.640 one of the most transparent entities in government.

00:25:21.440 Don't get me started,

00:25:23.100 but maybe they deal with the free,

00:25:24.940 definitely they deal with other media outlets.

00:25:29.520 But he does make the point,

00:25:31.080 if a hard party makes a healthcare pledge,

00:25:33.300 journalists should be able to,

00:25:34.360 on behalf of voters, get the information,

00:25:36.460 put the pledge in a factual context.

00:25:39.600 There should be no debate

00:25:40.880 that the voter is the big loser 0.69

00:25:42.540 with regards to this. 0.88

00:25:44.120 And Dan Lett was absolutely right.

00:25:45.360 Now, one thing he said, if I may,

00:25:48.280 for nearly 30 minutes,

00:25:49.700 Cloutier read out average wait times

00:25:51.080 for roughly a dozen facilities,

00:25:53.020 as he put it,

00:25:53.760 to a handful of journalists

00:25:55.220 who had the misfortune of reading

00:25:57.800 their email hours after the workday had ended.

00:26:00.580 And this illustrates the difference,

00:26:03.780 in my opinion,

00:26:05.460 and I've seen Dan on the campaign trail,

00:26:07.760 we've had vigorous debates for 15 years now,

00:26:13.220 but that's the difference between a guy

00:26:15.300 that's employed,

00:26:16.940 and people are employed in unionized environments,

00:26:19.460 salaried positions.

00:26:20.340 I undertook covering the Manitoba election

00:26:24.120 as an obligation

00:26:27.400 because there's nobody else

00:26:29.640 doing independent news reporting

00:26:31.700 of the election.

00:26:33.460 And I did it unfunded,

00:26:35.560 looking for my own funding sources,

00:26:38.000 making commitments as best I could

00:26:39.540 around my schedule

00:26:40.380 to try to go to events,

00:26:41.700 to assess things.

00:26:42.880 I've honed it on a couple of specific subjects,

00:26:45.020 but I would never view it as a misfortune

00:26:48.420 to read my email

00:26:49.380 to be able to get valuable information

00:26:51.960 about wait times from the WHA.

00:26:54.020 If Real Cloutier said,

00:26:55.040 we're reading this off at three in the morning,

00:26:56.840 I would have set my alarm,

00:26:58.720 I would have gotten up,

00:26:59.900 I would have transcribed what he wrote

00:27:02.080 or recorded and then transcribed it

00:27:03.980 and reported on it.

00:27:05.820 And that's the difference that,

00:27:07.520 you know, often,

00:27:08.340 especially elections we heard,

00:27:09.580 and again,

00:27:10.420 referring to the spirit of Kenny,

00:27:11.680 who picked up on this

00:27:12.720 from a couple of different people in the media,

00:27:14.520 oh, we're going to have to cover

00:27:15.600 an election in the summertime.

00:27:17.360 If you don't want to cover elections,

00:27:19.480 get out of the business, guys.

00:27:21.100 It's easy when you're getting a check.

00:27:23.060 I'm not getting a check.

00:27:24.240 I've got to earn my own dollars.

00:27:25.960 I try to come up with my own story angles.

00:27:28.460 I do this because

00:27:29.400 this is part of the public's right to know.

00:27:32.380 And I get it.

00:27:33.280 You know, you're on the weekend,

00:27:34.240 you cover it all week,

00:27:35.140 you're trying to go somewhere,

00:27:36.320 do something,

00:27:36.900 and oh my God.

00:27:39.120 Because they've dicked around so much,

00:27:40.760 now they have to have a press conference

00:27:41.760 at seven o'clock or eight o'clock

00:27:42.860 on a Friday.

00:27:43.400 But no journalist should ever say

00:27:46.020 they have the misfortune

00:27:47.100 of opening up an email

00:27:48.820 from the WHO,

00:27:50.040 calling them to a conference

00:27:51.900 or a conference call

00:27:53.200 where they will get information

00:27:55.020 the public needs to know.

00:27:57.300 This isn't, you know,

00:27:58.360 some minor statistic

00:28:01.040 about cotton balls

00:28:03.560 or something.

00:28:06.100 So that's one thing that struck me.

00:28:07.960 It just kind of irked me

00:28:08.740 that Dan would have said that.

00:28:10.240 You know, nothing.

00:28:11.640 I didn't take it personally.

00:28:12.620 It didn't mean it personally to anybody,

00:28:13.860 but it just showed the mindset

00:28:15.120 of established journalists

00:28:17.080 compared to people like us.

00:28:18.920 Yeah, we got to hustle.

00:28:20.560 And elections are not won

00:28:22.280 or lost on bankers' hours.

00:28:25.300 It's the news happens

00:28:26.580 when it happens, right?

00:28:28.360 That's for sure.

00:28:29.600 So, you know, for myself,

00:28:30.820 you know, I referenced

00:28:31.460 that there's stories I've covered

00:28:33.200 and a couple that,

00:28:35.220 one that we'll get to

00:28:36.220 at the end of this.

00:28:38.460 I've been able to go

00:28:39.320 to about six press conferences,

00:28:40.860 seven press conferences,

00:28:41.940 a couple of town halls.

00:28:45.600 I've stuck on, you know,

00:28:48.640 in particular, this issue of,

00:28:50.800 I was already covering meth

00:28:52.200 and used needles,

00:28:53.640 and I've been able to create

00:28:54.560 some traction on that

00:28:56.920 by asking questions

00:28:57.800 at town halls of candidates.

00:28:59.480 The Green Party leader,

00:29:00.940 the Liberal Party leader,

00:29:01.740 that would be James the Dome of the Greens,

00:29:03.660 Dua Lamont of the Liberals,

00:29:05.680 and a very well-spoken

00:29:08.380 NDP representative

00:29:09.320 in St. Boniface,

00:29:10.160 a candidate against Lamont,

00:29:13.060 Larissa Sims,

00:29:15.280 who was involved in health care.

00:29:17.440 They all criticized the WHA

00:29:19.200 for the number of needles

00:29:20.620 that are being left

00:29:22.280 on the ground in Winnipeg,

00:29:23.560 them failing the exchange part

00:29:25.340 of their free needle programs.

00:29:27.960 The matter about 800, Adele,

00:29:29.600 that I mentioned on your program previously,

00:29:31.160 this facility that the PC government

00:29:32.760 is embroiled in,

00:29:35.320 and the contract dispute

00:29:36.380 is political in nature.

00:29:37.420 They view the owner,

00:29:38.600 one of the owners,

00:29:39.240 as being aligned with the NDP

00:29:41.220 in the past,

00:29:42.300 and where it appeared

00:29:44.320 that an NDP minister

00:29:45.180 was trying to cut a,

00:29:46.380 shortcut a business deal for them

00:29:48.060 in an unrelated matter.

00:29:49.800 But now we see that the government

00:29:51.220 is, on the one hand,

00:29:52.140 everybody's saying

00:29:52.680 we have a public health care crisis.

00:29:54.200 They're paying $36,000 a month

00:29:55.920 for this empty facility

00:29:57.480 that's got 12 secure bed units

00:30:00.880 on one side

00:30:01.720 and administrative offices

00:30:03.160 and transitional beds

00:30:05.300 for longer-term residential care

00:30:07.100 on the other.

00:30:08.480 And the parties,

00:30:10.420 the political parties say,

00:30:11.280 look, if the experts say

00:30:12.380 this building has use,

00:30:14.020 as opposed to putting,

00:30:15.340 Tories have proposed

00:30:16.740 a $7 million edition

00:30:18.540 of the Health Sciences Center

00:30:19.760 that would include, again,

00:30:20.960 12 detox beds.

00:30:22.760 You've already got 12

00:30:23.860 standing in a building

00:30:24.760 that's, you know,

00:30:25.900 got plumbing

00:30:26.360 and got electricity

00:30:27.240 and has secure doors.

00:30:29.060 So it's a reasonable conversation

00:30:30.760 to try to have

00:30:31.660 about this building

00:30:33.580 fitting into the public health regime.

00:30:36.360 Yeah.

00:30:36.800 I was able to raise this matter

00:30:38.720 again at another town hall.

00:30:40.840 I went to the first one

00:30:42.120 I referenced with the panelists.

00:30:43.580 The Conservatives

00:30:44.160 did not send a representative

00:30:45.500 in St. Bonnevice.

00:30:46.760 That town hall was hosted

00:30:48.200 by Moorberg House,

00:30:51.220 Marianne Willis,

00:30:52.260 is the person

00:30:53.300 in charge of that program.

00:30:54.860 It's a residential

00:30:55.740 recovery program

00:30:57.540 for meth addicts.

00:30:58.960 She's the one

00:30:59.380 that came up with the idea

00:31:00.080 about this 800 Adele building

00:31:01.700 that other service providers

00:31:03.620 have looked at the building,

00:31:05.740 agree that it's suited.

00:31:07.160 So here I end up

00:31:08.100 at the Jewish community campus

00:31:09.880 for a, again,

00:31:11.120 an addictions

00:31:11.620 and I think crime

00:31:14.280 was also on the agenda.

00:31:15.200 I think it was mostly

00:31:15.720 mental health and addictions.

00:31:17.660 And they had a Q&A

00:31:18.900 at the end

00:31:19.300 and I was able

00:31:19.740 to ask a question.

00:31:20.520 The panel included

00:31:21.460 two candidates

00:31:23.820 from the Green

00:31:24.360 and the NDP

00:31:24.820 running in an inner city

00:31:25.840 rioting and union centre.

00:31:26.980 One is a psych nurse

00:31:27.900 and has very direct experience

00:31:30.060 with this kind of stuff.

00:31:31.780 Dr. John Gerrard

00:31:32.560 for the Liberals

00:31:33.160 and the Health Minister

00:31:33.980 Cameron Friesen

00:31:34.620 for the Conservatives.

00:31:35.380 And I asked Mr. Friesen,

00:31:37.380 you know,

00:31:37.620 given the,

00:31:38.540 they had all spoken positively

00:31:40.380 about Moorberg House

00:31:41.300 in their remarks

00:31:42.080 and the work

00:31:43.800 that is being done there

00:31:45.040 and here's a proposal

00:31:45.700 they've come up with.

00:31:46.380 This is something

00:31:46.760 that you would look at

00:31:47.680 moving forward.

00:31:48.800 And he said,

00:31:49.740 well, there's litigation

00:31:50.540 and I can't really speak

00:31:51.700 and there is.

00:31:52.720 Upon the contract

00:31:53.820 being, you know,

00:31:55.160 unilaterally

00:31:56.080 given notice

00:31:59.180 and they're getting paid

00:32:00.580 $36,000

00:32:01.740 until the end of February

00:32:02.980 but the building

00:32:03.860 was ordered evacuated

00:32:04.960 and there was some damage

00:32:05.900 left behind

00:32:06.380 that has not yet been resolved

00:32:07.440 that the taxpayer

00:32:08.480 is going to have to

00:32:08.980 foot the bill for.

00:32:09.680 So the owners

00:32:12.220 turned around

00:32:12.660 and sued

00:32:13.020 Premier Pallister

00:32:14.100 and I think

00:32:14.580 the Finance Minister

00:32:15.340 Scott Fielding

00:32:16.080 for a goodly amount

00:32:17.080 of money

00:32:17.400 for this breach

00:32:18.360 of contract

00:32:19.080 attempt to pass

00:32:20.660 legislation, etc.

00:32:21.660 So the Health Minister

00:32:22.580 Cameron Friesen

00:32:23.320 who I want to be clear

00:32:24.980 I know the guy

00:32:25.900 and I like the guy

00:32:26.680 and if there's some

00:32:27.980 politician I don't like

00:32:28.640 I'll say so.

00:32:29.500 I get along with

00:32:30.140 everybody right now.

00:32:31.740 He said,

00:32:32.280 well, I can't really talk

00:32:33.060 because there's litigation

00:32:33.580 and he then proceeded

00:32:34.560 to say,

00:32:35.440 you know,

00:32:36.100 but we have to look out

00:32:36.760 of the taxpayer's interests.

00:32:38.180 Well, all right.

00:32:39.660 If the rent was too much

00:32:41.260 then maybe that's

00:32:42.260 because the service program

00:32:43.380 wasn't delivering enough

00:32:44.300 children through the care

00:32:45.680 facility itself

00:32:46.960 or whatever

00:32:47.440 and then he started

00:32:48.720 talking about

00:32:49.500 the building

00:32:50.320 doesn't have air conditioning

00:32:51.220 the building

00:32:52.680 doesn't have an elevator

00:32:53.520 well, first of all

00:32:54.240 City of Winnipeg

00:32:54.900 it's under four stories

00:32:55.660 is not required.

00:32:57.220 Number two

00:32:57.780 and it's three stories high

00:32:59.460 number two

00:33:00.040 you know,

00:33:01.680 I don't know

00:33:02.280 if Mr. Friesen

00:33:03.960 has ever been in the building

00:33:04.840 I have

00:33:05.540 that side

00:33:06.940 that detox units

00:33:07.780 has air conditioning

00:33:08.580 the government licensed

00:33:10.880 this building

00:33:11.900 as a care facility

00:33:12.580 for children

00:33:13.260 and when I say the government

00:33:15.080 I don't mean the NDP

00:33:15.900 they started

00:33:16.620 the conservative government

00:33:17.520 kept licensing it

00:33:18.580 so if it needed

00:33:19.700 an elevator

00:33:20.300 and air conditioning

00:33:20.920 so bad

00:33:21.620 why was it getting licensed?

00:33:25.760 The point is

00:33:26.440 that people see

00:33:27.140 that the government

00:33:27.660 spending

00:33:28.100 the government committed

00:33:29.440 the party in power

00:33:30.420 seeing re-election

00:33:31.380 committed to

00:33:32.040 at least paying out

00:33:33.280 some of the remainder

00:33:34.000 of this contract

00:33:34.700 by wanting to break it

00:33:35.720 and then not wanting

00:33:36.740 to talk about the fact

00:33:37.500 you've got a perfectly

00:33:38.380 good building

00:33:39.180 that healthcare professionals

00:33:41.140 see is ideally built

00:33:42.560 service built

00:33:43.480 to save lives now

00:33:46.160 and instead

00:33:47.680 without having seemingly

00:33:49.560 ever been in the building

00:33:50.600 the health ministers

00:33:51.320 making comments

00:33:52.680 about

00:33:53.020 the physical facility itself 0.98

00:33:55.260 and the dumb thing was

00:33:56.200 there's 21 agencies 0.91

00:33:57.780 up in the audience

00:33:58.960 of that

00:33:59.860 town hall

00:34:01.360 that are all prospective

00:34:02.640 renters

00:34:03.280 of that facility

00:34:05.320 and here's the health minister

00:34:07.040 not

00:34:09.000 not great

00:34:10.480 but look

00:34:11.020 I made some traction

00:34:11.940 with that issue

00:34:12.680 about

00:34:13.460 the idea

00:34:14.420 to put in

00:34:15.020 something at 800

00:34:15.900 Adele

00:34:16.360 and

00:34:17.000 not spending

00:34:19.180 taxpayers dollars

00:34:20.340 on something new

00:34:21.000 if it's not needed

00:34:21.700 right

00:34:22.320 and so

00:34:23.560 you know

00:34:23.820 I was glad

00:34:24.300 to do that

00:34:24.960 one thing

00:34:25.600 that came up

00:34:26.100 today in coverage

00:34:26.920 global news

00:34:28.380 with a report

00:34:29.120 that

00:34:30.660 the statement being

00:34:32.880 Manitobans

00:34:34.000 who have been victims

00:34:34.760 of property crimes

00:34:35.580 they're saying

00:34:36.280 they're fed up

00:34:37.040 with having

00:34:37.900 their personal belongings

00:34:38.780 stolen

00:34:39.160 politicians running

00:34:40.200 in the province's

00:34:41.580 2019 election

00:34:42.620 and in the upcoming

00:34:43.460 federal election

00:34:44.020 will come up

00:34:44.440 with a resolution

00:34:45.120 the number of stories

00:34:46.300 this is in rural Manitoba

00:34:47.540 just outside of Winnipeg

00:34:48.820 one guy had

00:34:50.020 $200,000

00:34:51.320 of equipment

00:34:52.400 stolen

00:34:53.400 they've got cameras up

00:34:54.960 they're putting up fences

00:34:55.820 and still they're being

00:34:57.100 victimized

00:34:57.760 and I think it was

00:34:59.060 yours truly

00:34:59.760 I take credit

00:35:00.380 a few months ago

00:35:01.540 that said

00:35:02.160 perhaps even on this

00:35:03.520 program and appearance

00:35:04.340 with you

00:35:04.720 that this issue

00:35:05.860 of crime

00:35:06.560 regardless of it

00:35:08.060 being spurred

00:35:08.840 by the meth

00:35:09.520 by meth addiction

00:35:10.920 or other drug addiction

00:35:12.500 perhaps

00:35:12.880 the fact that

00:35:15.180 it's out of control

00:35:16.020 and that

00:35:17.060 every day

00:35:18.200 every day

00:35:19.120 somebody knows

00:35:20.160 someone whose bike

00:35:20.940 was stolen

00:35:21.400 whose garage

00:35:22.000 was broken into

00:35:22.800 whose ladders

00:35:23.980 they're stealing ladders

00:35:25.220 worth $1,500

00:35:25.820 that they can only get

00:35:27.300 $20 or $40

00:35:28.120 for it

00:35:28.700 a scrapyard

00:35:29.460 and one of these days

00:35:31.060 we'll have to go

00:35:31.480 into the responsibility

00:35:32.120 of scrapyards

00:35:33.020 that are accepting

00:35:33.840 all this stolen loot

00:35:34.780 and then putting it

00:35:35.560 through the crusher

00:35:36.160 anyways

00:35:37.800 that's the media overview

00:35:39.460 some of it about polls

00:35:41.260 and some about other things

00:35:42.520 there's been some

00:35:43.760 very good coverage here

00:35:44.640 Jeff Keel

00:35:45.060 CTV's been good

00:35:46.040 Bartley Kivas

00:35:47.200 at CBC

00:35:47.940 has got a lot

00:35:49.680 of experience now

00:35:50.560 but

00:35:51.580 not a lot of reporters

00:35:53.440 have gone off

00:35:54.480 the beaten track

00:35:55.720 in looking for stories

00:35:57.500 about the election

00:35:58.920 and that's

00:35:59.600 you know what I've done

00:36:00.680 about

00:36:01.020 for instance

00:36:02.240 800 Adele

00:36:02.900 what I've done

00:36:03.300 about used needles

00:36:04.080 in the community

00:36:04.660 and that needing

00:36:05.720 to be a bit of an issue

00:36:06.660 that's tied back to meth

00:36:07.920 which ties back to crime

00:36:08.800 so I've tried to do my part

00:36:09.780 to come at these stories

00:36:11.300 from slightly different approaches

00:36:12.620 yeah you've come at

00:36:14.080 the stories

00:36:14.800 and your coverage

00:36:15.400 of the election

00:36:16.000 in a way that voters

00:36:17.620 care about

00:36:18.160 and not necessarily

00:36:19.220 in a way that

00:36:20.060 the party

00:36:21.020 might communicate

00:36:21.820 communicate it

00:36:23.420 to the voters

00:36:23.900 and not in the way

00:36:25.060 that the mainstream media

00:36:26.320 is communicating it

00:36:28.220 you're tying all the issues

00:36:29.540 together

00:36:29.980 in a neat little package

00:36:31.480 in a way that

00:36:32.600 that's tangible

00:36:34.860 people care about

00:36:36.220 property crime

00:36:37.020 and they care about

00:36:38.160 and they care about

00:36:39.660 the plague

00:36:41.160 of meth

00:36:41.760 and opioids

00:36:42.460 in our community

00:36:43.220 and they want

00:36:43.780 real solutions

00:36:44.980 now all the parties

00:36:45.660 have their own ideas

00:36:46.640 about how to deal

00:36:48.380 with this

00:36:49.060 and you're presenting

00:36:50.500 all of those

00:36:50.980 but those are issues

00:36:51.720 that people

00:36:52.280 really really care about

00:36:53.580 and you know

00:36:56.240 they're talking about

00:36:58.140 abstract things

00:37:00.460 that

00:37:00.920 or they're talking

00:37:02.240 about safe injection sites

00:37:03.560 and they don't talk

00:37:04.420 about that the opposition

00:37:05.560 to safe injection sites

00:37:06.580 not only from the

00:37:07.220 chief of police

00:37:07.860 based on I'm sure

00:37:08.900 the Calgary and Edmonton

00:37:09.740 experience

00:37:10.200 but from again

00:37:11.500 Marion Willis

00:37:12.520 at Moorberg House

00:37:13.300 and Ian Rabb

00:37:14.640 of Aurora Recovery Services

00:37:16.620 are two individuals

00:37:17.320 I know who personally

00:37:18.020 told me

00:37:18.380 that's just the worst

00:37:19.400 idea possible

00:37:20.500 when it comes to meth

00:37:21.960 that encouraging

00:37:24.240 meth psychosis

00:37:25.000 this is the net result

00:37:25.980 I'm going to have more

00:37:26.900 about that later this week

00:37:27.860 I've got one other story

00:37:28.800 I want to briefly

00:37:29.780 just you know

00:37:31.540 let your audience know

00:37:32.840 that when this airs

00:37:35.020 I will have gotten

00:37:36.120 out a story

00:37:36.780 Manitoba

00:37:37.780 the conservative

00:37:38.520 backbencher

00:37:40.140 got a private

00:37:41.120 members bill

00:37:41.600 through requiring

00:37:42.240 disclosure

00:37:42.820 of various background

00:37:43.940 information

00:37:44.420 of candidates

00:37:45.420 for this

00:37:45.940 provincial election

00:37:46.760 particularly

00:37:47.220 criminal convictions

00:37:48.780 income tax

00:37:50.120 income tax

00:37:51.620 act

00:37:51.960 breaches

00:37:52.400 and there's

00:37:53.040 one other field

00:37:53.860 I can't remember

00:37:54.540 but I stumbled

00:37:55.660 across something

00:37:56.280 that raised

00:37:56.960 hypothesis

00:37:57.560 that bill

00:37:58.060 240

00:37:58.460 fall a little

00:37:59.040 short

00:37:59.360 and that would

00:37:59.840 be

00:38:00.060 what happens

00:38:01.120 if you

00:38:02.300 owe a

00:38:03.120 let's say

00:38:03.660 a speeding ticket

00:38:04.340 and you don't

00:38:05.600 pay the fine

00:38:06.340 that is due

00:38:07.100 to the provincial

00:38:07.800 court

00:38:08.300 now it falls

00:38:09.420 short of a

00:38:10.000 criminal matter

00:38:10.820 involving courts

00:38:11.720 but on the other

00:38:12.800 hand

00:38:13.200 when the court

00:38:14.600 has to issue

00:38:16.220 a garnishing order

00:38:17.940 to collect

00:38:19.360 the fine

00:38:20.100 is that something

00:38:21.280 that if you're

00:38:21.740 running for public

00:38:22.500 office

00:38:22.980 the public

00:38:23.880 has a right

00:38:24.400 to know

00:38:24.720 does that cross

00:38:25.440 the threshold

00:38:26.640 of the public's

00:38:28.000 best

00:38:28.320 you know

00:38:29.100 what the public

00:38:29.600 needs to know

00:38:30.220 about a candidate

00:38:30.900 now there's

00:38:32.480 at least two

00:38:32.960 examples I found

00:38:33.840 that I'll be

00:38:34.200 reporting on

00:38:34.760 one involving

00:38:35.520 that is

00:38:36.240 was I think

00:38:38.040 reported on

00:38:39.000 in 2016

00:38:40.800 but I can't

00:38:42.040 find any trace

00:38:42.660 of it online

00:38:43.200 but a few

00:38:44.180 people remember

00:38:44.960 that there was

00:38:45.580 a story

00:38:46.080 about the

00:38:46.940 NDP leader

00:38:47.540 Wab Canu

00:38:48.140 having not

00:38:49.320 paid some

00:38:49.940 sort of

00:38:50.740 fine

00:38:51.320 and his

00:38:52.120 wages at the

00:38:52.740 University of

00:38:53.240 Winnipeg were

00:38:53.700 garnished

00:38:54.040 and $606

00:38:55.980 in change

00:38:56.640 was due

00:38:57.020 the treasury

00:38:57.540 he made

00:38:58.820 about $110,000

00:39:00.440 a year at the

00:39:01.060 U of W

00:39:01.540 so it's not

00:39:02.340 like he couldn't

00:39:02.800 pay it but

00:39:03.160 for whatever

00:39:03.440 reason Canu

00:39:03.980 didn't pay it

00:39:04.560 and he was

00:39:04.840 garnished

00:39:05.200 but he's

00:39:06.800 not the only

00:39:07.560 person in the

00:39:08.940 legislature who

00:39:09.720 was garnished

00:39:10.260 for a fine

00:39:11.360 an unpaid

00:39:11.860 fine to

00:39:12.880 provincial court

00:39:13.760 the other

00:39:14.880 person was

00:39:15.420 none other

00:39:15.820 than his

00:39:16.180 deputy leader

00:39:17.180 running for

00:39:18.200 re-election

00:39:18.600 in St.

00:39:19.000 John's

00:39:19.480 Nahanni Fontaine

00:39:20.500 and when this

00:39:22.140 occurred I don't

00:39:22.860 know when the

00:39:23.320 infraction or

00:39:24.220 conviction occurred

00:39:25.160 I didn't look at

00:39:25.760 the file but the

00:39:27.280 garnishing date was

00:39:28.220 Halloween October

00:39:29.100 31st of 2017

00:39:30.300 she'd already been

00:39:31.600 in MLA for

00:39:32.420 about 18 months

00:39:33.600 and so imagine

00:39:35.200 that an MLA

00:39:36.820 doesn't pay a

00:39:37.780 fine due to the

00:39:38.600 Crown gets

00:39:40.140 garnished

00:39:40.600 and why does

00:39:41.840 this matter

00:39:42.360 A your tax

00:39:43.660 dollars end up

00:39:44.200 paying the

00:39:44.520 fine you know

00:39:45.600 because it's

00:39:46.000 been garnished

00:39:46.720 right off the

00:39:47.260 check it's not

00:39:48.020 coming out of

00:39:48.440 her savings

00:39:48.840 account or

00:39:49.360 something or

00:39:49.840 she's cashing

00:39:50.600 a Canada

00:39:51.020 savings bond

00:39:52.260 from years ago

00:39:52.940 the sheriff has

00:39:54.360 to serve the

00:39:54.940 warrant he's

00:39:55.720 paid with

00:39:56.000 public dollars

00:39:56.760 the payroll

00:39:57.860 clerk that

00:39:58.440 receives it

00:39:59.300 from the

00:39:59.560 Manitoba

00:39:59.880 government

00:40:00.320 they've got

00:40:01.160 to process

00:40:01.620 it they've

00:40:02.520 got to then

00:40:02.960 get the

00:40:03.460 whoever pay

00:40:05.320 paymaster

00:40:05.720 to write a

00:40:06.580 check to the

00:40:07.000 minister of

00:40:07.440 finance

00:40:07.960 then on that

00:40:08.880 end the

00:40:09.160 courts have to

00:40:09.760 record that this

00:40:10.360 payment has been

00:40:10.840 made the judgment

00:40:11.420 is unsatisfied

00:40:12.040 every other step

00:40:13.580 of the way

00:40:13.960 paid for by the

00:40:14.820 taxpayer because

00:40:16.420 an MLA did

00:40:17.900 not pay a

00:40:19.660 fine due

00:40:21.000 provincial judges

00:40:21.700 court so the

00:40:22.640 question is did

00:40:23.920 bill 240 go far

00:40:25.240 enough or in

00:40:25.840 fact if you

00:40:27.820 have had a

00:40:28.900 garnishing order

00:40:29.760 not because of a

00:40:32.080 private civil

00:40:32.680 dispute but a

00:40:33.700 garnishing order

00:40:34.360 issued by the

00:40:35.460 crown to

00:40:36.520 satisfy a debt

00:40:37.360 to the crown

00:40:38.120 is that something

00:40:39.200 voters should know

00:40:40.000 about before they

00:40:40.940 head to the

00:40:41.300 ballot box and

00:40:42.600 look at the

00:40:43.000 names that are

00:40:43.500 in front of

00:40:43.840 them yeah and

00:40:45.060 I think the

00:40:45.500 time frame matters

00:40:46.460 too like you and

00:40:47.380 I were talking

00:40:47.880 off camera if

00:40:48.640 somebody had a

00:40:49.340 little drunken

00:40:50.020 scuffle shoving

00:40:51.500 around maybe 20

00:40:53.360 years ago in their

00:40:54.180 younger days I

00:40:55.540 don't really so much

00:40:56.440 care if it's you

00:40:57.660 know two guys

00:40:58.380 outside of a bar

00:40:59.160 in you know solving

00:41:01.160 a problem the

00:41:01.800 old-fashioned way

00:41:02.620 and they haven't

00:41:03.980 been in trouble in

00:41:04.680 20 years I don't

00:41:05.720 really care if they

00:41:07.920 had a garnishing

00:41:08.580 order before they

00:41:10.580 were in politics

00:41:11.520 and they weren't

00:41:13.120 making good money

00:41:14.320 to be able to pay

00:41:15.700 the bill you know

00:41:17.100 that's subjective

00:41:18.000 now if they are an

00:41:20.100 MLA ignoring the

00:41:22.240 rule of law I

00:41:23.080 think we've got

00:41:23.580 another problem on

00:41:24.520 our hands don't

00:41:25.240 what message what

00:41:26.300 message does that

00:41:27.020 send constituents

00:41:27.980 if an MLA just

00:41:30.780 defies what is in

00:41:33.080 essence it's a court

00:41:33.900 order you have to

00:41:34.940 pay by a certain

00:41:35.660 date you're allowed

00:41:36.640 by the way you're

00:41:37.240 allowed to make

00:41:37.800 payments to make

00:41:38.520 arrangements to the

00:41:39.040 crown nowadays you

00:41:40.660 can take up to six

00:41:41.400 months to pay a fine

00:41:42.440 you know you can

00:41:44.400 plead with the court

00:41:45.020 I need some time to

00:41:45.800 pay your honor they

00:41:46.840 want their money they

00:41:47.840 they aren't looking to

00:41:48.780 like put you in the

00:41:49.440 stockade you know for

00:41:51.320 not paying and was

00:41:54.060 this something that

00:41:54.700 voters should have

00:41:55.280 known about expressly

00:41:57.400 about Mr.

00:41:57.940 Canoe but in

00:41:58.340 particular about

00:41:58.920 Nanny Fontaine who's

00:42:00.440 in a bit of a fight in

00:42:01.560 St. John's riding a

00:42:02.460 long time NDP

00:42:03.060 stronghold but the

00:42:04.220 liberals are pouring a

00:42:04.940 lot of resources in and

00:42:05.800 the conservatives are

00:42:06.580 are running a non

00:42:07.660 campaign in the

00:42:08.380 riding this time

00:42:09.100 around so you know

00:42:11.620 this kind of this kind

00:42:12.660 of thing I could tell

00:42:13.560 you when I just talked

00:42:14.300 with average people

00:42:15.200 without mentioning

00:42:15.880 Nanny Fontaine's name 1.00

00:42:16.960 just just you know the

00:42:20.460 principle of an MLA

00:42:21.860 a lawmaker a lawmaker

00:42:23.940 and people don't like it

00:42:26.280 they don't like that

00:42:27.120 perception and they

00:42:27.900 don't like that behavior

00:42:28.700 that I can tell you so

00:42:29.920 that's the latest story

00:42:30.860 that that your viewers

00:42:32.300 can find up at tgcts.com

00:42:34.480 and we've got some

00:42:37.220 other stuff going on

00:42:37.940 with the j.ca involving

00:42:41.200 labeling it I don't know

00:42:42.480 Sheila if you picked up

00:42:43.220 on the story about the

00:42:44.580 labeling of wines as

00:42:46.820 being a product of

00:42:47.580 Palestine now being held

00:42:48.660 up by the Liquor

00:42:49.280 Commission of or whatever

00:42:51.240 the board is called in

00:42:52.080 Ontario and that was

00:42:53.500 initiated by our

00:42:54.260 publisher Ron East I'm

00:42:55.540 sure we'll have a chance

00:42:56.200 to go into that at the

00:42:57.580 end of the month before

00:42:59.320 Rosh Hashanah for Jewish

00:43:00.280 New Year perhaps be able

00:43:01.420 to go back to the usual

00:43:02.560 subjects I cover but for

00:43:04.160 right now as it pertains

00:43:05.740 to the Manitoba election

00:43:06.640 the media coverage has

00:43:08.700 been it's it's been what

00:43:10.920 it's been whether it's

00:43:11.940 been fair or not there

00:43:12.920 hasn't been a huge number

00:43:13.880 of gaffes some of it's

00:43:14.720 been funny that fake poll

00:43:16.240 CBC really really needs

00:43:19.960 to be held to account for

00:43:20.900 that yeah nice scoop from

00:43:23.480 the Thompson citizen and

00:43:25.160 and more generally is there

00:43:26.680 going to be a change here

00:43:27.540 conservatives might go down

00:43:29.100 six or so seats the NDP

00:43:30.900 might pick up a few I

00:43:31.860 think they're in trouble

00:43:32.420 of losing a couple that

00:43:33.320 they've held the liberals

00:43:35.020 if their support holds a

00:43:36.480 12 percent their chances of

00:43:39.260 moving up is not good at

00:43:40.960 that number but if they

00:43:43.240 could have breakthroughs in

00:43:44.340 a couple of Winnipeg

00:43:45.140 ridings because of

00:43:45.960 redistribution and other

00:43:46.900 factors so they could

00:43:48.220 actually maintain party

00:43:49.600 status a lot of people are

00:43:51.260 hoping for that but you're

00:43:53.180 still looking at a

00:43:53.880 conservative I think

00:43:55.280 majority here is 29 gives

00:43:57.320 you a majority and I think

00:43:58.440 the conservatives are

00:43:59.100 looking at 32 33 34 seats

00:44:01.520 I don't think they're

00:44:03.380 sweating right now and I

00:44:05.140 think if anybody's sweating

00:44:06.100 it's Mr. Canoe because if

00:44:07.720 they don't get over 30% of

00:44:09.100 the vote the I've heard from

00:44:11.420 numerous sources the long

00:44:12.520 knives are going to be are

00:44:13.780 being sharpened and are

00:44:14.860 going to be pointed in his

00:44:15.780 direction on September 11th

00:44:17.900 well you know the best kind

00:44:20.360 of guest is one in media

00:44:21.540 because every single

00:44:22.500 question I had to prompt

00:44:24.440 our interview along you

00:44:27.300 moved right on to my last

00:44:28.880 question was your

00:44:29.560 predictions for the

00:44:30.900 election and you went right

00:44:33.420 into that without even me

00:44:34.620 asking you as it turns out

00:44:36.380 I think the high end the

00:44:37.280 liberals could end up with

00:44:38.160 six seats I don't know

00:44:40.000 that they can get seven but

00:44:41.140 it's and that's it I'll

00:44:43.200 explain it after if they do

00:44:44.540 you know I'll do that

00:44:45.280 subsequent up here it

00:44:46.920 would be a real like a

00:44:49.000 fluke where things go in

00:44:50.140 their favor not a fluke

00:44:51.280 like who could have

00:44:51.860 predicted a kind of thing

00:44:52.920 but there are a couple of

00:44:53.880 seats there that that

00:44:54.640 they're in a position they

00:44:55.500 could take along with the

00:44:57.380 ones that they can hold

00:44:58.180 that they have party

00:44:58.780 status and they get some

00:44:59.700 resources they can you know

00:45:01.040 they get time in question

00:45:01.880 period etc real issue here

00:45:03.740 is for Mr. Canoe for Wab

00:45:05.740 Canoe if the NDP they

00:45:06.860 might retake a seat in

00:45:08.060 Brandon and Selkirk and

00:45:09.980 Thompson but they're at

00:45:11.560 risk in a couple of of

00:45:12.840 Winnipeg seats as well from

00:45:15.100 the looks of it if if he

00:45:17.140 doesn't crack 18 seats and

00:45:18.780 30 percent of the vote and

00:45:20.160 I don't think he can do

00:45:20.900 one without the other

00:45:22.180 there may be people within

00:45:24.600 the party that are

00:45:25.420 interested in interested in

00:45:28.780 seizing the reins of power

00:45:29.880 and I don't know how

00:45:31.040 interested he'd be in

00:45:31.820 hanging around if he if

00:45:33.180 he doesn't get even within

00:45:34.120 sniffing distance because if

00:45:35.220 you don't have 20 seats

00:45:36.160 you're not going to catch

00:45:37.160 conservatives in the next

00:45:38.240 election either no matter

00:45:39.120 unless there's a big

00:45:40.240 collapse no matter who the

00:45:41.080 leader is that succeeds

00:45:41.940 Ballester so a tough time for

00:45:43.740 Wab Canoe and interesting

00:45:47.100 times for Mr. Lamont and

00:45:48.440 for Mr. Pallister it looks

00:45:50.200 to me like it's a bit of a

00:45:51.040 retirement plan now Marty I

00:45:53.860 wanted to give you a chance

00:45:54.780 to you mentioned where

00:45:56.160 people can find some of your

00:45:57.580 other work but also why

00:45:59.980 don't you tell us how we can

00:46:00.860 support your work because I

00:46:02.240 think you're doing valuable

00:46:03.080 work advocating for liberty

00:46:07.280 minded ideas in Manitoba when

00:46:10.120 I really don't think too many

00:46:11.100 other people are no there's not

00:46:13.760 a lot of people do what I do I'll

00:46:15.100 tell you that any of my stories

00:46:17.000 on the the website is the

00:46:19.000 acronym is that the term for

00:46:21.060 the great Canadian talk show

00:46:22.240 tgcts.com and any of the

00:46:24.900 stories that I have posted

00:46:25.900 there that you see in that

00:46:27.260 story will be at the bottom

00:46:28.660 of the story a link to a page

00:46:29.920 that explains the kind of work

00:46:31.060 I do why I do it why I've been

00:46:33.120 involved in citizen journalism

00:46:34.080 in this region for really since

00:46:35.980 2004 and the means of support

00:46:39.240 in terms of clicking on a link

00:46:40.340 for PayPal or whatever I want to

00:46:42.800 cover the federal election as

00:46:44.100 well there was some you know

00:46:46.160 the support has come in fits

00:46:47.420 and starts but there is has

00:46:49.080 certainly been some very

00:46:49.860 generous supporters from

00:46:51.460 including like from all

00:46:53.400 political parties people value

00:46:56.320 independent coverage and value

00:46:57.940 somebody that asks questions

00:46:59.300 that the mainstream media just

00:47:00.760 isn't going to ask about issues

00:47:02.100 that they don't think people

00:47:04.040 care about when we know like

00:47:05.220 use needles all over the ground

00:47:06.980 everywhere and we know people

00:47:08.400 do care so that's the easy way

00:47:10.440 on Twitter at tgcts and there's

00:47:12.600 actually a link in my profile to

00:47:15.540 the to PayPal and I I was

00:47:19.880 raised to do this kind of work

00:47:21.580 I don't know how many more

00:47:22.960 years I have left or how many

00:47:24.360 more elections I have left in

00:47:25.540 me the first election I covered

00:47:27.080 God it was 1986 so it's if it

00:47:32.660 feels like it's been a lifetime

00:47:33.700 I've been doing this it has been

00:47:34.820 but your support is is important

00:47:37.600 because the more time I can spend

00:47:39.300 covering politics covering current

00:47:40.740 affairs covering community I don't

00:47:44.160 have to worry about you know

00:47:45.920 sources of income that come from

00:47:47.700 outside consulting and other

00:47:48.760 things and this is like I say

00:47:50.620 nobody else does what I do in this

00:47:51.940 region and it's too bad

00:47:52.820 Winnipeg needs independent media

00:47:54.740 voices there's fewer reporters

00:47:56.780 than ever here and you've got a lot

00:47:59.340 of reporters now that are worried

00:48:00.900 about you know framing shots and

00:48:03.420 the lighting and stuff and that's

00:48:04.640 not what a reporter's job should

00:48:05.880 should be and that's what's going

00:48:07.500 on now in Winnipeg and I'm sure

00:48:09.040 other media centers so any help

00:48:10.920 that you give me helps me

00:48:12.920 contribute to the public discourse

00:48:15.220 bring information into the public

00:48:17.060 square and it's all very much

00:48:18.680 appreciated as I said if people from

00:48:20.800 all walks of political life and

00:48:22.280 people that are non-partisan people

00:48:23.660 from the media industry have gone

00:48:25.960 out of their way to talk to me to

00:48:27.420 thank me for the stories especially

00:48:29.220 about Moorberg House about meth

00:48:31.820 addiction about some of these

00:48:33.440 initiatives some of the announcers

00:48:34.640 have been made in the campaign in

00:48:38.920 particular you know the liberal party

00:48:40.680 I give them credit as a third party

00:48:42.280 trying to find you know some of their

00:48:44.120 ideas are to people like you and me

00:48:45.660 not non-starters in regards to the

00:48:48.480 environment or economics when it's come

00:48:50.260 to crime and public safety they have

00:48:52.400 been bang on they've got a candidate

00:48:53.980 Donovan Martin in Notre Dame who's got

00:48:56.260 endorsed today by former police chief

00:48:57.800 Clunas and Donovan's been involved in

00:48:59.940 community affairs for many many years

00:49:02.800 and kids programs and what he's talked

00:49:05.520 to me about that he's finding out

00:49:07.500 door-to-door every candidate should

00:49:09.880 have to account for it but I don't

00:49:11.140 think the media follows up on that

00:49:13.280 very effectively it's something that I

00:49:15.200 do and that even after the election

00:49:16.520 believe me what people have told me

00:49:18.480 they care about I'll make sure MLAs

00:49:20.520 care about in the next session of

00:49:21.680 Manitoba legislature well Marty I want

00:49:24.200 to thank you so much for coming on the

00:49:25.440 show I think we have a date to talk

00:49:27.880 again before the Jewish holidays I've 0.72

00:49:30.160 written down your predictions for the

00:49:32.880 Manitoba election so when we have you

00:49:35.320 back on we'll see how close you were to

00:49:38.160 right I think those weren't

00:49:40.260 mathematically correct I'd have to like

00:49:41.720 add the numbers make sure it comes out

00:49:43.220 and I didn't mention the Green Party

00:49:44.600 could take a seat they came close last

00:49:46.780 time I don't know if their campaign

00:49:52.060 will get them over the top they lost

00:49:54.540 in Wolseley by 400 votes and Mr.

00:49:56.940 Podolman the leader is running neck and

00:49:58.320 is running head-to-head against Mr.

00:50:00.100 Canu in Fort Rouge I don't know I

00:50:03.800 haven't heard anything about how he

00:50:04.840 feels his campaign is going but based on

00:50:06.400 what happened in New Brunswick this

00:50:07.560 week with a bunch of you know more than

00:50:10.820 a baker's dozen NDPers moving over to

00:50:12.520 the Green Party you know that there's

00:50:15.240 this could be a sign of things yet to

00:50:17.480 come for your NDP provincial parties

00:50:19.860 across across the country and it could

00:50:22.840 happen in the West too I suppose so the

00:50:25.540 numbers may not be mathematically bang

00:50:27.400 on but yeah generally I'll stand by

00:50:31.240 what I've said and we'll see how it

00:50:32.780 turns out fantastic luck to everybody

00:50:35.500 that's running yes yes huge sacrifice

00:50:39.180 professionally and personally to run in

00:50:41.960 an election campaign and particularly if

00:50:44.360 you're a conservative be prepared for

00:50:45.900 the character assassination it takes a

00:50:49.060 brave person to sign up for that just

00:50:52.540 just the the weeding through your life I

00:50:55.700 mean it's got to be unpleasant but you

00:50:57.500 really have to have a commitment to

00:50:58.900 public service to do it it's going to

00:51:00.780 really change the nature of who is able

00:51:02.480 to step forward as a candidate in the

00:51:04.140 next 15 years and it's it's not how I you

00:51:07.080 and I I know agree we've never talked

00:51:08.400 with absolutely absolutely not healthy at

00:51:12.900 all and and even in my position on this

00:51:15.140 bill 240 issue I don't somebody got into a

00:51:18.400 bar fight or or some dispute with a

00:51:20.640 neighbor or something you know 15 or 20

00:51:24.120 years ago unless they went to like jail

00:51:27.240 jail and even if they went to jail they

00:51:30.340 did their time I'm not so I'm not too

00:51:33.120 worried about that now on the other hand

00:51:34.600 a lawmaker you know willfully defying a 1.00

00:51:38.060 court order to pay a fine in the last you

00:51:39.900 know five years that raises an eyebrow yeah

00:51:43.300 I mean I think it's conservative yeah and I

00:51:46.540 think it's conservatives we believe in

00:51:47.920 redemption we believe if you make good

00:51:50.800 choices and be responsible you you're a

00:51:55.220 good citizen and you sort of leave your

00:51:57.020 past behind we we go around preaching that

00:52:00.320 people should make good choices pay their

00:52:03.240 taxes make amends and when they do that

00:52:06.960 should be good enough for us and and you

00:52:10.560 know I think also we do need to take

00:52:14.240 every every instance um with the facts

00:52:18.820 surrounding that instance I mean like

00:52:20.940 you say a a bar fight couple of young

00:52:23.040 guys pushing and shoving I don't care

00:52:24.680 you stomped a guy till near death then

00:52:27.000 maybe I don't care yeah yeah there is a

00:52:29.200 big but again you know with mr canoe he

00:52:31.460 unprovoked punched a cab driver through

00:52:33.380 the through the door like the window was

00:52:34.700 rolled down in summertime he skips out

00:52:36.800 without paying fires a punch there's been

00:52:39.860 no indication that the driver was ever

00:52:41.760 compensated for the law because he lost

00:52:44.440 the shift he's got to run around and call

00:52:45.800 the cops and stuff and and I've never

00:52:47.920 received any indication that that the

00:52:49.760 that anybody made good with the driver on

00:52:52.540 that that's the kind of thing that kind of

00:52:54.220 lingers uh the the undisclosed issue the

00:52:57.880 things that mr can you didn't previously

00:52:59.340 disclose his book whatever I mean his

00:53:00.900 problems are a little different than the

00:53:02.160 typical person's gonna run for office and

00:53:04.320 I agree with you somebody has uh again

00:53:07.420 whether it's a DUI or or some my some

00:53:10.620 relatively minor offense where they don't

00:53:12.460 end up going to the who scout uh or for you

00:53:15.160 know for certainly don't go to stony

00:53:16.660 mount a federal penitentiary or something

00:53:18.300 if it's 10 15 20 years in their past that's

00:53:21.880 part of life's experiences if it's something

00:53:23.600 in the last five years before running yeah

00:53:26.400 that's something people are going to

00:53:27.960 evaluate differently that's true I think

00:53:30.000 that's fair okay Marty we could talk all

00:53:32.720 day but I don't think any one of us have

00:53:35.340 all day thanks so much me on Sheila I

00:53:38.860 really appreciate the opportunity and

00:53:40.500 all those of you that are Manitobans I

00:53:42.740 know sometimes it seems like it really

00:53:45.460 makes you wonder why but would you go and

00:53:47.280 vote please even if even if you decline

00:53:49.500 your ballot and just show that you care

00:53:51.260 great thanks Marty we'll see you again

00:53:53.820 thank you Sheila

00:54:02.720 now I agree with Marty I think Manitoba is

00:54:10.900 going to stay conservative blue I think

00:54:13.200 the collapse of the NDP federally isn't

00:54:15.340 helping the NDP chances on the ground in

00:54:17.580 Manitoba either I also think the

00:54:20.320 pragmatic and it pains me to say that

00:54:22.840 Saskatchewan style Roy Romano NDP is

00:54:26.100 long dead replaced by social justice

00:54:28.300 activists with goals that are far too

00:54:30.160 radical to be reasonable to even

00:54:32.320 the most moderate of lefties but just

00:54:35.760 because I think that Pallister is going

00:54:37.160 to be re-elected well that doesn't mean

00:54:39.500 the job for conservative voters is done

00:54:41.740 here you need to learn a little

00:54:43.660 something from the Alberta experience

00:54:45.580 keep dragging your conservative party

00:54:48.220 back right otherwise you're going to

00:54:50.720 end up with an Allison Redford style

00:54:52.520 government that is so centrist and even

00:54:54.980 so left on some issues that they'll make

00:54:58.100 the NDP seem palatable again well

00:55:01.640 everybody that's the show for tonight

00:55:03.120 thank you so much for tuning in I'll

00:55:05.520 see everybody back here in the same

00:55:07.120 time in the same place next week

00:55:09.660 farmers happy harvesting and remember

00:55:12.640 don't let the government tell you that

00:55:14.680 you've had too much to think

00:55:16.120 you've had too much to think

Rebel News Podcast - September 05, 2019

Manitoba's next election is next week： Will the Progressive Conservatives hold？

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