Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ 'Learn from your enemies'： Ian Miles Cheong ｜ Andrew Says 46

00:00:00.000 Ian Myles Chong is a writer and commentary you've seen on Rebel News, Post Millennial,

00:00:10.340 OAN, and more. His content was famously shared by then-President Donald Trump,

00:00:14.560 which of course caused many problems, and Joe Rogan as well. The always controversial,

00:00:19.700 for some reason, Ian Myles Chong joins me. How are you, Ian?

00:00:23.660 I'm good. How are you?

00:00:25.100 I'm doing well. Always good to see you. It's so much fun researching you.

00:00:30.480 Just for topics to talk about, there's so much drama surrounding you, and I'll get to some of that later.

00:00:34.540 Oh God, I hate the drama. I hate the drama. I don't court it on purpose. I swear to you.

00:00:39.120 I'll take your word for it.

00:00:40.420 Scott's honour.

00:00:40.900 What I want to talk to you first about is a bit of drama with Joe Rogan, the CNN thing.

00:00:46.640 Top of mind for a lot of people. Horse dewormer, ivermectin, because I think what's happening here

00:00:51.860 shows a lot of dishonesty in the part of the mainstream media.

00:00:54.540 So the first clip I want to get to is Sanjay Gupta, CNN's famous doctor, on Joe Rogan.

00:01:00.660 And I want to show him, on Joe Rogan, and then a couple days later,

00:01:03.380 how he sort of reacts going back on CNN, having to defend them.

00:01:06.820 So let's go ahead and roll that first.

00:01:08.240 Do you think that that's a problem, that your news network lies?

00:01:13.080 Well, I don't think.

00:01:14.340 Dude.

00:01:14.880 What did they say?

00:01:15.580 They lied and said I was taking horse dewormer.

00:01:18.260 First of all, it was prescribed to me by a doctor, along with a bunch of other medications.

00:01:25.160 If you got a human pill, because there were people that were taking the veterinary medication,

00:01:30.640 and you're not, obviously.

00:01:32.180 You got it from a doctor, so it shouldn't be called that.

00:01:34.820 Ivermectin can be a very effective medication for parasitic disease.

00:01:38.900 And as you say, it's probably, you know, I think, what, a quarter billion people have taken it?

00:01:42.400 He did say something about ivermectin that I think wasn't actually correct about CNN and lying, okay?

00:01:49.000 Ivermectin is a drug that is commonly used as a horse dewormer.

00:01:54.700 So it is not a lie to say that the drug is used as a horse dewormer.

00:01:59.380 I think that's important, and it is not approved for COVID.

00:02:05.120 Correct?

00:02:05.920 That's right.

00:02:06.840 That's correct.

00:02:08.000 It is not approved for COVID.

00:02:09.780 And you're right.

00:02:11.300 I mean, the FDA even put out a statement saying, you know, basically reminding people.

00:02:15.700 It was a strange sort of message from the FDA.

00:02:17.500 But they said, you're not a horse.

00:02:19.160 You're not a cow.

00:02:20.320 Stop taking this stuff is essentially what they said, referring to ivermectin.

00:02:24.340 Now, I think what Joe's point is.

00:02:26.240 It's been approved for humans, but not necessarily for COVID, right?

00:02:30.100 Yeah.

00:02:30.600 That's correct.

00:02:31.120 It's been used for a parasitic disease for something.

00:02:34.340 It's called river blindness.

00:02:35.800 And it's been very effective for that.

00:02:38.320 But, you know, just because it works for one thing doesn't mean it works for something else.

00:02:42.580 And, you know, there's still a few ongoing clinical trials around ivermectin.

00:02:46.580 But for the most part, if you look at the data, there's no evidence that it really works here.

00:02:51.860 Now, Ian, you have Gupta going on Rogan.

00:02:54.040 And Rogan ends up saying, you know, he's a very nice guy. 0.77

00:02:57.180 But I think it's kind of cowardly.

00:02:59.060 He goes on Joe Rogan's show, talks for him like he's his friend, agrees with him, then goes back on CNN, 0.64

00:03:04.240 pretends like they never framed it, you know, like as if he's being just some meathead who's taking Horace to Wormer.

00:03:09.400 Brian Stelter cackling at him, all this stuff.

00:03:11.980 Why can't they just be honest about, you know, the success it's had versus the negative it has and saying that, you know,

00:03:18.960 he was prescribed this and it seemed to work for him.

00:03:21.660 Why can't even like a seemingly nice guy be honest about this?

00:03:26.540 Yeah, well, it goes against the narrative, right?

00:03:28.420 If he were to admit that there are certain treatments that, you know, I mean, they're still under study, right?

00:03:34.060 We don't have 100% conclusive evidence that it works, but it's worth a look.

00:03:38.600 And, you know, that's what science is all about.

00:03:40.440 It's about looking into different treatments.

00:03:43.340 I mean, after all, the vaccine itself is a product of years and years and years of research based on other coronaviruses.

00:03:50.160 That's why we had PCR tests almost immediately, right?

00:03:53.840 We were able to detect this thing almost immediately.

00:03:56.380 All we have to do is feed it the proper data and we get the results.

00:03:59.880 It's not like some strange new virus that came out of nowhere, right?

00:04:03.060 So it's for that same reason that, you know, these previous or older treatments like ivermectin and so on,

00:04:09.360 they may have some efficacy in treating the new disease because, you know, they have at least some data has shown that they do work against other kinds of infections.

00:04:20.000 And I think that's worth looking at.

00:04:22.440 But they won't admit that.

00:04:24.340 They don't want to even admit that natural resistance, natural immunity is a thing.

00:04:30.360 I mean, obviously, you have to get sick and then you have to not die in order to get natural immunity.

00:04:34.540 But, you know, they're claiming that, oh, natural immunity doesn't work at all.

00:04:38.000 And this is obviously very unscientific to claim that people who have antibodies to the illness, who have already gotten sick, to claim that they are less protected than the vaccine. 0.89

00:04:47.540 I mean, that's just patently ridiculous.

00:04:49.000 This is not how any science works. 0.87

00:04:50.980 This is not how any virus works.

00:04:52.540 I mean, yes, there are certainly viruses out there that are, you know, that antibodies don't really help that much.

00:04:58.280 But, you know, this is a type of coronavirus.

00:05:00.200 And certainly there is a lot of evidence showing that we need to start looking at these things from a less politicized perspective and just simply explore the science.

00:05:09.460 I mean, you see these things being explored as actual science in the Nordic countries.

00:05:14.660 And they're certainly very educated people.

00:05:16.760 And they certainly know what they're talking about versus a couple of meatheads on CNN going on about how everything's horse dewormer or how, you know, water is essentially used as engine coolant.

00:05:27.080 I mean, if Joe Rogan said, oh, all I'm drinking is water, I'm just hydrating.

00:05:31.420 They'll be like, oh, he used the water sewage treatment.

00:05:34.440 Like, that's what he used, sewage treatment material to get better.

00:05:38.140 It's like, it's not what he's saying at all.

00:05:39.580 I mean, this is a very cheap tactic.

00:05:41.940 It's a way to, you know, delegitimize anything that he's saying by simply calling it a horse dewormer.

00:05:47.000 I mean, it's been prescribed for many, many parasitic illnesses.

00:05:50.320 It's used to treat worms.

00:05:52.100 That's what it's for.

00:05:53.060 A lot of poor people in poor countries, you know, their kids have to take it because they got worms, right?

00:05:58.840 They get worms in their food and they, you know, like flies gestate in their bodies.

00:06:03.880 Like, that's what it's for.

00:06:05.720 So to claim that it's only used against a river disease or whatever the hell that guy was talking about, well, that's just a way to marginalize it.

00:06:14.460 Why is it being treated for every form of domestic animal?

00:06:18.380 Because it treats worms and they're very close to the ground and so on.

00:06:21.060 He mentions in that same interview that, you know, I was on for three hours and we're just talking and it's hard to make things clear and get my point across.

00:06:30.660 But is this sort of the reason why we don't see many broadcasters taking on this format of extended, you know, conversation where they actually have to answer for things like this?

00:06:40.800 No, I think that's more to do with the monetary issue.

00:06:44.800 I mean, if you broadcast something for three hours, how many people are going to tune in and how much ad revenue are you going to get?

00:06:50.780 I think that's the bigger issue.

00:06:52.460 So, like, these long-form podcasts, these long-form conversations, I think it's best suited for places like YouTube, Spotify, or just, you know, like Apple, iTunes.

00:07:01.820 I think that it has a place.

00:07:03.360 It's got a niche.

00:07:04.220 It's a very big niche and it's a very profitable one.

00:07:06.680 I mean, as you can see, Joe Rogan has clearly made a lot of money just speaking his mind.

00:07:11.600 I mean, you have many YouTubers who do it as well.

00:07:13.940 Twitch streamers can stream for an entire day.

00:07:16.220 I mean, Hasan Piker, we may not like him, but he's the most successful Twitch streamer out there.

00:07:21.180 And he streams eight to ten hours a day.

00:07:22.940 I mean, that takes dedication.

00:07:24.360 It takes work.

00:07:24.980 So, you know, I may not like his politics, but kudos to him for doing that.

00:07:29.300 Now, somebody I don't think could survive an open-ended conversation, especially on Joe Rogan, is Anthony Fauci.

00:07:35.380 I wanted to go to him giving an interesting answer to Chris Wallace on Fox about those who disagree with him.

00:07:42.600 And Chris Wallace is asking him, is there anything you can say that you might have regretted saying or something, a point that might be put against you?

00:07:50.300 And here's his answer from Chris Wallace.

00:07:52.580 You've become so controversial.

00:07:54.520 And honestly, do you think there's anything you have done that has contributed to that?

00:08:01.200 Well, I'm not so sure I could answer the latter because I can't think of anything, but I'm sure some people will.

00:08:06.200 But, you know, Chris, I have stood for always making science, data and evidence be what we guide ourselves by.

00:08:15.000 And I think people who feel differently, who have conspiracy theories, who deny reality that's looking them straight in the eye, those are people that don't particularly care for me.

00:08:26.620 And that's understandable, because what I do when I try very hard is to be guided by the truth.

00:08:33.060 And sometimes the truth becomes inconvenient for some people, so they react against me.

00:08:38.800 That just is what it is.

00:08:40.420 There's not much I can do about that, Chris.

00:08:43.360 Everyone who disagrees with me is a conspiracy theorist.

00:08:45.900 I feel the same way.

00:08:47.160 Is this sort of indicative of, you know, a modern Democrat way of thinking?

00:08:51.300 Yeah, it is.

00:08:52.960 I mean, and he's dismissing a lot of the legitimate criticism that has thrown his way.

00:08:57.220 Now, granted, there's a lot of nonsense out there.

00:08:59.100 There's people talking about 5G and how the vaccine has aluminum in it.

00:09:02.820 It's a bunch of nonsense, right?

00:09:04.160 That's not true at all. 0.96

00:09:05.500 And they'll claim that Fauci is secretly trying to kill the population.

00:09:09.100 Clearly, that's not true.

00:09:10.340 But that's, you know, those are on the fringes.

00:09:12.420 The real criticism against him comes from, you know, normal people who are upset, and rightly so, that he repeatedly changes his stance.

00:09:21.000 I mean, most recently, he talked about how Christmas may not even be on, but then he backtracked on that, said he never said those words.

00:09:28.080 And, you know, if you recall last year, he was saying that masks don't work.

00:09:32.640 He was kind of lying in a way because he later on tried to justify it by claiming that, well, you know, the people who work in hospitals and first responders, they need the masks more.

00:09:42.680 And so I was just trying to dissuade people from, you know, buying these masks up and, you know, making us have a shortage.

00:09:49.540 Now, why would he lie about masks like that, right?

00:09:52.400 And later on, some research shows that, you know, N95 masks do have some small means of limiting the spread of the virus.

00:10:00.260 And it's true, it does.

00:10:01.540 But it doesn't necessarily protect you, but it might protect others.

00:10:04.340 And then he backtracks on that.

00:10:06.080 And then you have all these crazy people on Twitter who, you know, kiss his feet, who are, you know, previously they would say,

00:10:11.860 I was never wearing a mask because Trump wants me to put on a mask and he wants me to take the vaccine. 1.00

00:10:16.320 I'm never doing that because goddamn F Trump, right? 0.99

00:10:19.580 That was their response. 1.00

00:10:21.200 And now they're saying, well, if you don't wear a mask, you're a terrorist.

00:10:24.900 Okay.

00:10:26.400 Well, my next question was going to be, why do you think networks keep turning to him?

00:10:31.100 I see him still being on CNN.

00:10:32.940 Obviously, Chris Wallace is more of a contentious interviewer.

00:10:35.360 But with the funding, his emails from last year, which where he talks about in the emails about how he doesn't think the masks help,

00:10:43.180 especially somebody who's not sick, I think those things are pretty telling.

00:10:46.580 Why do they keep pushing him to the forefront like that?

00:10:49.680 Ratings.

00:10:50.180 He is a creature of the media.

00:10:52.300 He's a creature of the media.

00:10:53.660 They boosted him up.

00:10:54.640 They've invested in him and their audience, you know, the few dozen people who watch CNN.

00:11:00.320 Well, it's more like a few million, honestly.

00:11:02.040 But those people who watch CNN, they love him, right?

00:11:04.460 So that's the reason why they keep boosting him up, because he gives them good ratings.

00:11:08.720 And the people who, you know, who hate these channels to begin with, they're not the ones tuning in.

00:11:13.200 So they're not the intended audience.

00:11:15.700 Now, the people who maybe you could call them Q people, your best friends, the QAnon supporters,

00:11:21.320 they might say that Trump made a mistake or was it on purpose pushing Fauci to the forefront when Trump was still in office?

00:11:28.380 Do you think it was this sort of an opposition to Trump that the deep state put in there?

00:11:32.480 Or do you think Trump was just using one of the advisers he was already given?

00:11:36.240 Why this dichotomy of Trump and Fauci up there at the same time?

00:11:40.080 Do you think, well, Trump was in office?

00:11:42.780 This is an issue, a broader issue with Trump.

00:11:45.260 I mean, a lot of the people that he had as advisers.

00:11:47.840 I mean, General Milley is someone that he himself appointed, right?

00:11:51.320 People seem to not realize this.

00:11:53.400 He doesn't like Milley now.

00:11:54.580 He calls Milley a woke general and Pius.

00:11:56.620 A lot of the people he had in the FBI, all the people who turned their backs on him, they were all Trump appointees.

00:12:03.080 And that was maybe his biggest failing was that he tended to go with whoever was already there instead of getting rid of them.

00:12:09.780 I mean, with previous administrations, we're talking Bush.

00:12:12.220 We're talking Obama.

00:12:13.420 We're talking Clinton.

00:12:14.060 We're talking even Biden now.

00:12:15.440 Now, the first thing they do when they step into office is they get rid of everybody who was from the previous administration, unless they're friendly, right?

00:12:23.540 So, you know, if you're Bush, then you want to keep Bush seniors people in there, right? 0.98

00:12:28.340 But you obviously don't want any of the Clintonites in there.

00:12:31.220 But this is something that Trump failed to do.

00:12:35.240 He did not get rid of the people from the Biden administration.

00:12:38.060 That was what essentially became the deep state.

00:12:40.800 You know, what we call a deep state isn't some organization.

00:12:42.900 It's mostly a loosely knit group of people who did not like the president and were working against him maybe in small pockets of the federal government.

00:12:52.060 And I don't know if Fauci is one of those people, but Fauci has been a fixture in the federal government since the Reagan administration.

00:13:00.260 So he has always been there.

00:13:02.080 So he's been a fixture.

00:13:02.860 He's always done his job.

00:13:03.800 He's more of a, you know, a career guy.

00:13:05.680 And that's why Trump had him there.

00:13:07.940 I don't think it was anything nefarious.

00:13:09.720 I don't think it was for any clever 12-dimensional chess reason.

00:13:13.400 I don't think Trump thinks about these things at all. 0.94

00:13:15.520 I think that's a bunch of nonsense.

00:13:17.000 Trump clearly makes some good decisions.

00:13:18.760 But Fauci was definitely not one of them.

00:13:21.320 Scott Atlas, on the other hand, was a great decision that he made that he appointed, you know.

00:13:25.620 And so it's not all bad, but it's not all good either.

00:13:29.000 I think what people are missing is in the back room, I think to your right in the background,

00:13:32.380 you've got this orb of 12-D chess that you play.

00:13:35.920 You're moving the pieces in spherical motions.

00:13:39.600 But anyways, the Biden admin has been doing these weird press conferences with Jen Psaki

00:13:45.600 about the food shortages and the backed up ports where they're giving these weird excuses,

00:13:50.760 the gas prices are going up.

00:13:52.200 And I want to talk about the specific story that came out about China,

00:13:55.380 I think flexing on them, with this missile that they've shot.

00:13:59.400 I forget what exactly the...

00:14:02.240 It's a hypersonic missile.

00:14:03.360 A hypersonic missile that was able to orbit the Earth in a low atmosphere.

00:14:08.780 I'm really going to make some science-y people mad about this.

00:14:12.160 But let's go ahead and get Jen Psaki's response here about somebody asking if she's worried about this, basically.

00:14:18.400 That China tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile over the summer, to the surprise of U.S. officials.

00:14:24.960 Are they accurate, and do they raise concerns about China's nuclear capabilities?

00:14:29.840 Well, I know General...

00:14:31.460 Secretary Austin, I should say, was asked this question this morning and addressed it.

00:14:36.060 But I'm not going to comment on the specific report.

00:14:38.460 I can say...

00:14:39.200 And I would echo what he said, which is, generally speaking,

00:14:41.660 we've made clear our concerns about the military capabilities that the PRC continues to pursue.

00:14:47.540 And we have been consistent in our approach with China.

00:14:52.220 We welcome stiff competition, but we do not want that competition to veer into conflict.

00:14:57.240 And that is certainly what we convey privately as well.

00:14:59.220 Ian, I don't know about you, but from that I get sort of like a...

00:15:02.240 It sounds like they're at a disadvantage.

00:15:04.640 I mean, first of all, you're referring to them as the PRC.

00:15:06.760 I don't usually hear that.

00:15:08.000 North Korea's testing missiles.

00:15:09.680 Low orbit was the term I was looking for with this missile that could be equipped with a nuclear weapon.

00:15:14.180 What kind of vibes are you getting from this?

00:15:16.100 I saw you mentioned it was... 0.78

00:15:17.580 You called it loser talk, I think? 0.91

00:15:19.740 It's loser talk. 0.98

00:15:20.580 Yeah, it's loser talk. 0.62

00:15:21.480 I mean, for maybe a decade now, America's had its own hypersonic weapon, right?

00:15:26.220 Hypersonic missile.

00:15:27.000 And I can't tell if it's a ballistic missile or if it's a similar device as what China's using.

00:15:32.320 So to understand what this hypersonic missile is, it's not a ballistic rocket.

00:15:36.660 It's not an ICBM where you launch it from one point and it just flies straight to the target.

00:15:41.100 Because that is something you can shoot down.

00:15:43.440 It's very easy to shoot those down.

00:15:44.920 That's what the Iron Dome is for, for example.

00:15:47.640 And maybe you need a larger version of that to fire farther, right?

00:15:51.980 The way that these missiles work, these Chinese ones do, is that you fire a rocket straight up into space. 1.00

00:15:59.440 And then it deploys a sort of a vehicle that flies in low orbit and it just basically circles the globe as many times as it needs to, using only its own momentum to carry itself.

00:16:11.640 So it doesn't really need that much fuel.

00:16:13.580 And then an AI targeting system decides where it wants to land.

00:16:18.260 So you can basically, you can, you know, create a sort of special trajectory that's very difficult, if not impossible, with the current level of technology to evade being shot down.

00:16:29.820 You know, it's only going to be really, really close when you see it.

00:16:32.380 But if it's carrying a nuclear warhead, you're screwed anyway, right?

00:16:35.240 So that's what it's capable of.

00:16:37.220 And it flies really, really fast.

00:16:38.380 It's hypersonic.

00:16:39.020 It's five times the speed of sound.

00:16:40.540 Slightly slower than an ICBM, but is maneuverable.

00:16:43.820 That's what's deadly about this.

00:16:45.360 It's what's so dangerous about it.

00:16:46.480 Now, granted, the Chinese one actually missed its target by about 12 to 14 kilometers or miles, which is pretty far off.

00:16:53.840 But what it means is that they're capable of doing this.

00:16:57.180 And with better targeting, they'll be able to hit their targets very easily.

00:17:00.540 So America was apparently taken by surprise with this report.

00:17:06.800 They did not expect to see China have this level of technology.

00:17:10.600 And now they're shocked.

00:17:12.020 And they're saying, oh, we welcome the competition.

00:17:14.080 No, no one welcomes the competition.

00:17:16.480 And you don't want your enemy to get a trebuchet when you're trying to protect your castles.

00:17:21.020 That's a bad idea.

00:17:22.400 It's a bad idea.

00:17:23.400 Yeah, I tend not to worry about, I mentioned North Korea shooting off into the ocean there because, you know, American warships are there and aircraft carriers in South Korea.

00:17:32.880 They tend not to have great technology.

00:17:34.480 But this is sort of like the first time I can remember in recent history where the American response to the Chinese testing an advanced missile system is just like, well, you know, we hope it doesn't come to anything.

00:17:46.340 And we respect the, what do they call them?

00:17:48.920 The PRC, just, you know, giving them a cute little acronym.

00:17:52.120 It's a little bit worrisome that I, as a person who already does not, you know, trust the, I'm trying to be nice here, trust the level of competence from the administration.

00:18:04.100 I'm just a little bit sitting here and it's like, do they really know what they're doing in terms of the military front anymore?

00:18:09.980 No, they don't.

00:18:10.940 Yeah, look at who they appointed as a four-star admiral today.

00:18:18.740 It's that, the health and human services transgender doctor.

00:18:23.640 Now, I'm not saying that their gender has anything to do with their competency, but look at that person's record.

00:18:30.120 When they were in Philadelphia, they basically signed the deaths of thousands of the elderly by putting COVID patients in nursing homes.

00:18:41.620 And so this is the person who now has a four-star rank, who's a four-star rank admiral, and it's insane.

00:18:48.500 And these are the people that they're putting in charge.

00:18:50.240 You know, Millie's greatest fear is white rage. 1.00

00:18:53.860 It's white rage. 0.91

00:18:54.880 Nothing else is white rage.

00:18:55.960 And you have generals on Twitter, you know, doing their nails and complaining about the colors that they're permitted to use in the military.

00:19:05.560 It's like, where are your priorities?

00:19:08.160 I mean, there's terrorists out there.

00:19:09.340 ISIS-K is rebounded.

00:19:11.140 There's suicides in the military are up by 52% this year alone.

00:19:15.960 I mean, what are you guys doing?

00:19:18.200 Insane.

00:19:19.240 Have you seen, what is your take on these latest Biden press conferences?

00:19:22.860 Obviously, most people think he's deteriorating.

00:19:25.420 He's got the advanced set across the street from the White House now that people think is probably so he can read off a teleprompter easier without people really being able to see it.

00:19:35.760 But that could go a lot of different ways, that story.

00:19:38.200 But did you see that latest one with him where he's getting really mad about democracies across the world?

00:19:43.420 What's your take from these latest ones?

00:19:45.160 Because I don't think when people look at Jen Psaki, they're thinking, well, this is this nice, caring woman.

00:19:49.480 She's pretty snappy.

00:19:50.700 She doesn't have a lot of answers to her stuff.

00:19:52.300 She kind of answers people like they're children.

00:19:53.860 Where does a vibe?

00:19:55.620 Let's give us a vibe check on these Biden press conferences, will you?

00:19:59.460 Oh, yeah, sure.

00:20:00.260 I think that Biden is he's lost his marbles.

00:20:03.500 You know, he isn't the man he used to be in 2016, back when he could actually form a coherent sentence without pausing.

00:20:09.600 They claim it's a stutter.

00:20:10.840 I don't believe it.

00:20:11.660 He didn't have a stutter four years ago.

00:20:13.400 He didn't have a stutter eight years ago, 10 years, 12 years.

00:20:15.700 He's been in Congress since, what, since 1972, and he hasn't had that problem, but only now he's got that problem.

00:20:22.580 He's got a childhood stutter.

00:20:23.960 Give me a break.

00:20:24.640 No, he doesn't have a stutter.

00:20:26.440 I think that when he gets angry, it enables him to refocus his energy.

00:20:31.560 I think, you know, they say that when you get angry, when you work yourself up, it helps you to refocus your mind.

00:20:37.420 And I think he uses that as a sort of mechanism to keep himself in check when he is sort of, you know, going off trail and forgetting what to say.

00:20:46.240 I think he just amps himself up, gets really, really angry in order to, you know, sort of like temporarily get rid of that Alzheimer's that he's clearly experiencing.

00:20:57.380 Get some clarity there for a second.

00:20:59.840 Now, something else I wanted to ask you about is this, the Build Back Better initiative that seems to be taking over the world in a sense.

00:21:07.260 There's some footage from London at people heckling a Boris Johnson and Bill Gates meeting.

00:21:12.280 Now, I think people are getting mad at the similarities they're seeing in lockdowns across the world.

00:21:17.740 So the anger, I think, is justified.

00:21:20.280 I don't know how you feel about the people yelling.

00:21:22.520 Let's show the clip first, actually, of the people yelling at who knows who's in this car in London.

00:21:42.280 So he's throwing the plastic cup.

00:21:56.320 What was the point of that?

00:21:57.680 Now, I think you often face criticism for not going forward with everything on a particular side.

00:22:02.880 Like maybe like saying or echoing, arrest Bill Gates.

00:22:06.220 I get some of that sort of stuff, too.

00:22:07.720 Outside of screaming at a person's car while they're leaving at dinner, what do you think is a better reaction from people who are seemingly opposed to, you know, things being out of the voters' hands in organizations like the CDC or Microsoft and Amazon having huge influence?

00:22:22.480 What do you think is the correct thing for the average person to do who's in opposition of these Build Back Better initiatives?

00:22:29.440 Take back the city councils.

00:22:31.240 Take back the district attorney's positions.

00:22:33.520 Take back the school boards.

00:22:35.580 That's the better answer.

00:22:36.780 You can't really have a voice.

00:22:38.740 I mean, you don't have a voice just by screaming.

00:22:41.040 If you're screaming, people are going to report on how you're screaming.

00:22:43.900 And that's the amount of the effect that you will actually have.

00:22:48.040 You will have no effect whatsoever.

00:22:49.780 You'll have people smirking at you and thinking, wow, that person's kind of worked up about something.

00:22:54.820 It doesn't solve anything.

00:22:56.020 It doesn't create policy.

00:22:57.040 It doesn't create solutions.

00:22:58.260 What you need to do is you need to take back all of these positions in government, actually start caring about the people legislating,

00:23:05.780 you know, the people who are making these decisions for you, filling these roles up, becoming school teachers, joining school boards, actually having an impact.

00:23:15.220 And you can see this happen in places like Florida, where a lot of conservatives do, you know, do run the school boards.

00:23:21.980 They've taken back these positions.

00:23:23.440 They voted, you know, for conservative candidates.

00:23:25.600 And it's happening across the South as well.

00:23:28.160 A lot of people are mobilizing.

00:23:29.640 And you see Dana Lesh actually leading some of these campaigns to retake these school boards, to do away with critical race theory, for example. 0.78

00:23:38.380 And that's the only way to do it.

00:23:40.160 Screaming and yelling and harassing people, throwing plastic cups at cars and, you know, chanting arrest Bill Gates doesn't solve anything.

00:23:47.140 It doesn't fix anything.

00:23:48.260 It doesn't change anything.

00:23:49.700 They are still in power.

00:23:50.940 If you, you know, like, I don't know what, you know, their stance is on Bill Gates.

00:23:56.080 I know they want him arrested.

00:23:57.240 I don't know what for.

00:23:58.480 But, you know, what's it going to do?

00:24:00.300 I mean, he still has the money.

00:24:01.640 He still has the power.

00:24:02.480 He still has the ear of Boris Johnson.

00:24:04.660 What we need is people who can have that level of access, who can have that level of power in government to be able to make decisions.

00:24:14.440 And ones that actually matter, that actually land on paper, that are signed into law.

00:24:19.580 Vote for the people that you want leading you.

00:24:22.060 Don't just be all black billed.

00:24:24.340 You know, don't be nihilistic and claim, oh, the system's broken. 0.94

00:24:27.420 Don't vote.

00:24:28.300 Like, that is the opposite message.

00:24:30.160 I mean, I don't know if you listen to Herschel Walker talking about this yesterday, where he actually condemned Donald Trump's comments on not voting.

00:24:38.560 He says that it is necessary to go out there and vote and just do all that you can to retake the government.

00:24:44.920 It's the only solution.

00:24:46.340 Because, I mean, what's the alternative?

00:24:47.760 That everybody's just going to give up and go home and maybe be a prepper, you know, have a gun and hope that the FBI doesn't show up?

00:24:55.860 And that's not a solution.

00:24:57.040 You have to take action.

00:24:58.520 And by taking action, I mean actually participating in the process.

00:25:01.900 It's the only way forward.

00:25:02.920 I think they're still mad about Windows 2000 NT is what it is.

00:25:08.560 No, I agree with you.

00:25:09.880 I wrote down in California they had that recall vote where if the amount of Republican voters who came out for Donald Trump came out, Gavin Newsom would have been recalled.

00:25:18.240 In Alberta, they saw a huge reduction in voters in the federal election where they lost some of the seats.

00:25:24.840 So I agree with you.

00:25:26.220 People need to start going to these city council meetings, school board meetings, district attorney votes, which are often funded by George Soros in some controversial places.

00:25:37.360 And they need to show up because they can't, you know, there's nothing that the international movement of giant businesses like Microsoft and MasterCard and the IMF can do about John Sally and everybody else going out to vote for a city council.

00:25:52.780 There's no influence that's going to be put down on that.

00:25:55.520 So once you start from the bottom there and you say whether it's take the masks of our children or we don't want this taught in our school, that's where change should stem from.

00:26:05.220 And it's the place that's going to affect you the very most.

00:26:08.520 Absolutely.

00:26:09.200 Stuff like that.

00:26:10.140 Sorry, go ahead.

00:26:11.420 Yeah.

00:26:11.740 Like one of the things that the left does and is their ability to organize.

00:26:15.680 You look at the Democratic Socialists of America, the DSA, they're basically your Bernie Sanders slash AOC commies. 0.68

00:26:23.680 They're like, they're not really communists, but you get what I'm saying, right?

00:26:27.640 So these guys, their ability to organize is phenomenal.

00:26:30.940 And what they do is they organize a vote movement, kind of like what Stacey Abrams is doing.

00:26:36.760 In fact, it's quite the same thing.

00:26:38.480 And they get these votes out.

00:26:40.020 They do the whole get out the vote thing.

00:26:41.520 They call people up.

00:26:42.640 They canvas.

00:26:43.580 They get people out there voting the way they want.

00:26:46.640 And they get these people into city commissions.

00:26:48.620 They get themselves into, in the case of Austin, Texas, they got a district attorney there who is a member of the DSA.

00:26:56.700 And this is what, you know, conservatives need to be doing is conservatives need to start rallying and organizing and making sure that we have our own get out the vote systems to get these people the support that they need.

00:27:09.920 Because right now, it's a very one-sided battle.

00:27:12.540 On the one hand, you've got Mike Tyson.

00:27:14.260 And on the other corner, that's us.

00:27:16.360 We've got, you know, Glass Jim or something.

00:27:20.660 Is that a punch-out reference, I think?

00:27:22.580 Yeah, it's a punch-out reference.

00:27:23.980 I don't remember the character's name.

00:27:25.140 Gabby J was one of them.

00:27:26.720 I remember Glass Joe or something.

00:27:28.860 Glass Joe.

00:27:29.520 That's, yeah.

00:27:30.020 It was one punch and he was knocked out.

00:27:31.580 Yeah, the only places I see this really happening is some places in Arizona, which is very fractured on the right side, even still.

00:27:39.660 And then Florida, of course.

00:27:40.880 And then you've got small, I think, city council and student, not student council, but school board things across the country.

00:27:48.000 And I agree with what you're saying.

00:27:50.120 Especially what I wanted to reference was, if you remember a few years ago, the Democratic Socialists of America meeting that went really viral, where they would all snap for applause and then they'd interrupt each other with trigger warnings.

00:28:04.040 Maybe we can get some B-roll of that.

00:28:05.560 Because that was one of the most fantastic things ever.

00:28:08.360 You guys have to start addressing people by more than sir and ma'am.

00:28:12.280 It's very triggering for me.

00:28:13.740 And then that person would get in trouble for being too loud and stuff like that.

00:28:17.580 Point of privilege.

00:28:18.380 Point of privilege.

00:28:19.320 That's what it was.

00:28:20.600 Two days of that.

00:28:21.680 Two whole days of eight-hour meetings, just nonstop.

00:28:25.240 Point of privilege.

00:28:26.680 Debates about the debate itself without it even happening.

00:28:30.360 You know, they had to talk about it first to make sure that everybody felt comfortable because this was a safe space.

00:28:35.700 And we have to ensure that the well-being of all our attendees.

00:28:40.780 And there's, like, safe rooms as well that people could just sit in and listen to quiet music.

00:28:45.140 It makes me wonder who's in charge of those things where they really see their army. 0.99

00:28:49.320 Of useful idiots, as the term is, out in front of them. 0.99

00:28:52.060 I mentioned off the top the criticism you get when I'm looking through videos of you. 1.00

00:28:58.660 Some of them are very emotional.

00:29:00.580 Some of them are very YouTube-y drama, 2016, 2017 sort of things.

00:29:05.720 And among other things, one of the complaints I noticed is about your influence, the fact that, you know, Joe Rogan's as he follows you, the retweets, the Fox News coverage.

00:29:17.340 What do you say to people who don't like the fact or disagree with the fact that you have, apparently, an influence on American culture from overseas?

00:29:26.860 Get used to it.

00:29:30.420 No more, Ian.

00:29:31.900 Oh, he's going to drop the microphone.

00:29:33.080 What else is there to say?

00:29:34.200 He's going to drop the microphone on me.

00:29:35.720 With the YouTube really clamping down on right-wing creators the last few years, do you think that whole era of political YouTube drama is over?

00:29:47.220 I think it's over, yeah.

00:29:48.620 I mean, I used to—I won't say engaged in the content too much.

00:29:52.660 I used to watch it from time to time.

00:29:54.340 But it got old really fast.

00:29:56.220 And, you know, you went from giant creators having beefs.

00:29:58.960 Yeah, as we've seen in the, what, the makeup community, the gaming community, they've all done it.

00:30:03.420 They've all had beefs.

00:30:04.760 It got stale after a while.

00:30:06.340 I think the audience started to dissipate.

00:30:08.140 And it became worse and worse because, you know, when you create content like that as a sort of like a driving force for your channel, you tend to run out of content.

00:30:17.620 Because people are not having beefs every single day.

00:30:19.660 And some of these YouTubers, these creators, they've tried to manufacture drama.

00:30:23.220 They'll go after certain people.

00:30:24.560 They'll go after celebrities. 0.99

00:30:26.100 I think you can see the ones who are remaining right now, they try to start fights with celebrities.

00:30:32.500 And they end up getting blocked on Twitter.

00:30:34.040 So that's hilarious because nothing really happens.

00:30:36.940 And so they tend to go after the small fish.

00:30:39.520 You know, like two no-name Twitch streamers are having some weird beef with furries and anime avatars and so on.

00:30:47.960 And who honestly cares?

00:30:50.520 Who cares?

00:30:51.220 So I think that's kind of a dead genre.

00:30:53.120 It doesn't go anywhere.

00:30:54.020 And when it does escalate, it escalates into real-world physical violence, you know, people threatening each other and damaging each other's businesses and so on.

00:31:02.960 And, I mean, frankly, that's not cool.

00:31:04.700 You know, like reality itself should not be a Jerry Springer show.

00:31:08.300 And I think that, you know, that sort of move towards that sort of content was really, I won't say dangerous, but it was, you know, it was deplorable.

00:31:16.520 Right?

00:31:16.980 It was, it's disgusting.

00:31:18.680 And I'm glad that YouTube itself has sort of demonetized these channels because I think that YouTube tended to realize that it was the source of this drama by encouraging people to do it by monetizing them.

00:31:29.740 So it's, you know, it's actually quite good that it's done away with that.

00:31:32.740 I don't like that kind of content.

00:31:34.380 I know some people do, but you know what? 1.00

00:31:36.080 Suck it up. 0.99

00:31:36.700 You know, the world shouldn't be a fighting place. 0.99

00:31:39.520 If you want to fight, you know, I don't know, go to a UFC gym or something.

00:31:44.660 I found myself getting over it pretty quickly and even going back and typing Ian Myles Chong into YouTube, it just seems very, I don't even want to say immature because I'm not that mature, but it's so like teenage-y drama.

00:31:58.580 And I myself got over it.

00:32:00.820 I remember Candice Owens and like Blair White and stuff like that arguing on Rubin Report. 0.99

00:32:05.860 And it just became where this isn't productive and this doesn't really affect politics at all.

00:32:12.100 So I am glad to see that stuff sort of, you know, fallen by the wayside.

00:32:17.420 But I'll tell you, Ian, searching your name, they still want to pull you into it, it seems like.

00:32:21.940 Of course they do.

00:32:22.680 Of course they do.

00:32:23.300 Yeah.

00:32:23.580 Like they think that they can get drama out of me.

00:32:26.340 Even me going on this video interview here will be, you know, milk for them, right?

00:32:31.000 They'll be like, oh, yes, Ian finally recognized us.

00:32:33.320 Yes, yes.

00:32:34.040 I don't even think about you.

00:32:36.760 All right. 0.96

00:32:37.520 It's ridiculous. 0.92

00:32:38.380 I think, you know, just before we end it, I think that it shows, though, people love the blood sport. 0.85

00:32:43.440 People love the engagement, the arguments.

00:32:46.400 YouTube doesn't really go far enough.

00:32:47.680 I think that we sort of need to create a real-world Squid Games or a real-world Battle Royale, you know,

00:32:53.280 where we actually do battle physical combat in real life.

00:32:56.760 That's fully monetized, fully legal, and all the participants can be fully consenting adults who say, hey, you know, yeah, I'm willing to surrender my life in exchange for a million dollars and maybe a sponsorship deal.

00:33:08.220 And they can battle it out in real life, you know, in the streets of Minneapolis or Portland.

00:33:12.100 You can just empty it out of civilians, have them fight each other and televise it, stream it, live stream it, collect lots of money, you know, from the bets because you can bet for the Antifa clan or whatever.

00:33:23.760 You know, they can fight each other with the Proud Boys and just go head to head.

00:33:27.280 I mean, I think a lot of people may find that disturbing and disgusting, but you know what?

00:33:31.960 Civilizations throughout history have done this, right?

00:33:33.980 We had gladiatorial arenas in the Roman times.

00:33:36.840 We had the jousts in medieval times.

00:33:39.880 The Aztecs used to play football that ended in, you know, the other team losing their lives.

00:33:44.540 So, I mean, maybe it's a return to that.

00:33:46.840 We just need to return to that.

00:33:48.360 This is Ian Miles Chong attempting to create a Reddit thread that clips this and takes him so seriously in real time, everybody.

00:33:55.860 You're witnessing it.

00:33:57.260 I want to thank you for coming on.

00:33:59.240 Keep doing your writing.

00:34:00.560 Keep getting the push that you are getting from all these outlets.

00:34:05.120 If it makes them mad, I think it's worth it, Ian.

00:34:07.900 Ian Miles Chong, any final words you want to say to the audience before we let you go?

00:34:13.320 Just think critically, you know, keep an open mind and don't dismiss other people's opinions because you don't like them.

00:34:20.340 Maybe they've got something good to say and maybe we can continue to not like them.

00:34:23.980 But you know what?

00:34:24.680 I think that learning from your enemies is often a very good thing.

00:34:28.180 See what they're doing right.

00:34:29.520 That's my final word.

00:34:31.420 Thank you.

00:34:31.820 Just like Jerry Springer would have done.

00:34:33.500 We would have been proud.

00:34:34.980 At the end of the day, it is what it is, you guys.

00:34:37.180 Thanks a lot, Ian.

00:34:38.080 And thanks a lot for watching us.

00:34:40.120 See you next week.

00:34:41.140 See you next week.

00:34:42.140 See you next week.

00:34:44.140 See you next week.

00:34:46.140 See you next week.

Rebel News Podcast - October 22, 2021

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ 'Learn from your enemies'： Ian Miles Cheong ｜ Andrew Says 46

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