Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 12

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00:00:30.000 Good afternoon.

00:00:50.300 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:52.160 This is the Rebel News Daily Livestream, what we're calling Breakdown.

00:00:55.840 This show used to be at noon on Eastern Time or 10 in Alberta, where we used to talk about

00:01:01.860 the news of the day, but there really is no other news of the day than to talk about what

00:01:05.920 we call the Trucker Commission, the Public Order Emergency Commission that's taking place

00:01:11.600 in Ottawa right now to investigate the federal government, well, Justin Trudeau really, his

00:01:17.580 use of a counterterrorism law called the Emergencies Act on peaceful anti-COVID protesters in the

00:01:25.080 nation's capital.

00:01:26.100 The protest was entirely peaceful for nearly four weeks before it became just so embarrassing

00:01:31.280 to Justin Trudeau that it became to him a national emergency, wherein the police required extra

00:01:38.320 powers of search, arrest and seizure to break up the peaceful protest.

00:01:44.640 They had their bank accounts seized.

00:01:46.680 People were taken away in handcuffs and much, much worse, as we're hearing in the inquiry.

00:01:51.420 Today, I'm joined by my two colleagues, Selene Gallas.

00:01:55.600 She's in Calgary and William Diaz.

00:01:58.080 He's actually in Ottawa, but both of them were glued to the commission today.

00:02:02.440 We're going to talk about the testimony of Ottawa Police Chief Slowly.

00:02:07.600 Peter Slowly, he's actually the former police chief.

00:02:10.160 He was replaced, resigned, I suppose, right in the middle of this affair.

00:02:14.660 For context, the protest began on January 27th of this past year, and the Emergencies Act,

00:02:22.620 that counterterrorism law I mentioned before, it was invoked on February 14th.

00:02:27.980 And it was invoked after a deal was struck with the truckers to leave, or at least move

00:02:32.980 their trucks away from the downtown core, where some few thousand busybodies were constantly

00:02:39.360 complaining about the noise and the traffic and those yucky, yucky, blue-collar people 0.95

00:02:43.540 from Alberta being in their very, very white-collar bureaucratic city.

00:02:47.760 That was a deal that was already in progress.

00:02:50.780 Trucks were moving when the Emergencies Act was invoked.

00:02:54.680 We've heard testimony, and we've seen the receipts, as the kids say, the deals back and

00:03:00.140 forth and the emails.

00:03:01.500 Guys, I'll tell you what I think.

00:03:04.420 I watched the testimony of a former police chief slowly today, and at the beginning of

00:03:09.220 this, at the very outset, I thought he might have been a good guy, because I thought he

00:03:15.280 resigned because he didn't want to do the things the federal government wanted him to do to

00:03:20.700 the protesters, because after he resigned, and then his successor, who's not even his

00:03:26.240 successor anymore, Interim Chief Steve Bell was shuffled in, the head started getting

00:03:31.500 cracked, and the real, real bad civil liberties infractions happened.

00:03:37.280 But I'm not so sure.

00:03:38.300 The more I learn about him, the more of his emails that I read.

00:03:41.160 I actually don't think he's a good guy, a complex guy for sure, but I'm just not sure what I

00:03:47.780 think.

00:03:48.320 I'll start with Celine.

00:03:49.620 You watched the whole testimony like a hawk today.

00:03:52.440 What's your one big takeaway?

00:03:53.680 That the proceedings that go on in such a grand sense, a great sense, are pretty much very

00:04:03.520 similar in the way that I've watched over Archer Pawlowski's court proceedings.

00:04:07.200 It's a lot of the times there's just a huge shock value behind the things that are discussed

00:04:11.760 and what goes on and what comes out of their mouths.

00:04:14.860 I know towards the end, again, like you said in the beginning, I felt empathy.

00:04:19.340 You know, maybe it was those initial tears within like the first hour or so of the proceedings.

00:04:26.220 They had to take a break.

00:04:27.500 He didn't ask for one, but they took a 15 minute break to regroup, whatnot, right?

00:04:31.180 And then getting into it, it wasn't long before he was, again, condemning the convoy and demonizing

00:04:36.960 it like everybody else from the left.

00:04:40.280 William, what's your takeaway?

00:04:41.720 I think we'll show a bunch of clips today so people can see exactly what we're talking

00:04:46.680 about.

00:04:47.020 You go on this sort of emotional rollercoaster with Chief Slowly.

00:04:51.020 First, you like him, then you don't like him.

00:04:52.960 Actually, I think the first clip, I don't like him.

00:04:54.980 But you'll have some moments where you feel empathy and it's a pretty strange ride.

00:05:01.680 What's your big takeaway from Slowly's testimony?

00:05:03.900 And we really haven't heard him being hammered by trucker lawyers yet.

00:05:07.800 So that will come on Monday and I think that'll be pretty revealing because they're no BS.

00:05:15.400 Yeah, it'll be interesting.

00:05:16.540 First of all, I just want to say that I'm glad that your voice is better, that you're

00:05:19.900 able to be back on the live stream.

00:05:21.820 It's better than last time.

00:05:24.500 Yeah, the testimony today was extremely interesting because as you just said, you go on an emotional

00:05:30.400 rollercoaster with Chief Slowly.

00:05:32.480 You feel empathy for him when you see him have the respect he has for the charters of rights

00:05:38.780 and freedoms that we're all supposed to live by.

00:05:42.660 But then you do see him demonize the convoy.

00:05:45.060 So it'll be interesting to analyze this when we go on with the clips later on.

00:05:50.180 But I just want to go back on one thing that you said in the introduction.

00:05:52.700 You talked about a deal being shucked between the protesters and the government.

00:05:57.040 And honestly, what we saw from the beginning of the week is deal, no deal, deal, no deal,

00:06:02.780 emergencies act.

00:06:04.040 The OPP from Marcel Baudin, one of the person from the OPP, had prepared a plan that he gave

00:06:10.820 to the federal government.

00:06:12.260 The federal government took one look at the plan, threw it away, invoked the emergencies

00:06:15.340 act.

00:06:16.260 Prior to that, another deal was truck to move the trucks away from residential neighborhood.

00:06:22.100 A lot did.

00:06:22.700 But other plans also failed that way.

00:06:25.460 So it's a lot of plans that we're seeing that just failed or that weren't respected

00:06:29.540 or that weren't even taken into consideration, just like the one we saw by the federal government.

00:06:34.280 So just go back to Chief Slowly.

00:06:36.600 It was a very interesting day for him.

00:06:40.060 Yeah.

00:06:40.620 And, you know, the federal government seemed to have interjected themselves into a deal

00:06:45.220 that had nothing to do with them.

00:06:46.980 The deal was always between the truckers in the city to move the trucks, to get them out

00:06:51.300 of the residential areas so we didn't have to listen to people like Matthew Fleury complaining

00:06:55.400 about microaggressions anymore.

00:06:57.180 That was happening.

00:06:58.560 But then the federal government intervened and screwed the whole thing up.

00:07:02.320 Once they hit the nuclear button on the Emergencies Act, the police had to be redeployed

00:07:08.000 away from moving the trucks out and directing the trucks to, I guess, tear gassing journalists.

00:07:14.560 That's what they ended up doing at the end of the day.

00:07:17.040 Efron, let's go to...

00:07:18.500 Oh, by the way, we should let everybody know if you want to get involved in the conversation

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00:07:47.000 And let's go to clip one, because this is me not liking Chief Slowly.

00:07:51.840 And I'll show you the clip, and then I'll tell you why I don't like him afterwards.

00:07:57.300 What was the impact on the rest of the city?

00:08:03.000 It's a very important question.

00:08:04.300 And that was, I think, touched on at some point in testimony.

00:08:09.440 The downtown core was like, clearly was the epicenter.

00:08:14.360 And hyper-volatile, hyper-complex.

00:08:20.380 I won't be able to provide adjectives, so I'll just leave it at that.

00:08:23.960 But you could drive south of the 416, get that right, 417, into literally still downtown neighborhoods.

00:08:37.220 And you would hear honking, and you'd see, unfortunately, Canada flags stuck on vehicles and behavior that was clearly antisocial.

00:08:47.460 But it dropped off significantly once you got south of the 417.

00:08:55.380 You don't want to put flags in your truck.

00:08:57.600 You'll be antisocial.

00:08:59.980 Like, unfortunately, Canadian flags?

00:09:02.060 Why can't people protest for Canadian rights and freedoms using the Canadian flag?

00:09:07.660 It's all of our flags, regardless of politics.

00:09:10.680 And it's just so darn volatile that the crime went down.

00:09:15.340 You know, just, he says he can't use adjectives, but he's sure using a lot that don't make sense.

00:09:21.180 A hundred percent.

00:09:22.260 I mean, I was there in the beginning days, and that's, it was actually very simple what we saw.

00:09:27.560 It was peaceful protesters that had gathered.

00:09:30.560 People were laughing, married, cheering.

00:09:32.880 It was the first time that I had seen so many people smiling and being okay with being in close proximity.

00:09:39.440 Antisocial is the biggest stretch of the truth I think I heard all day.

00:09:44.100 It was anything but antisocial, and that's the point.

00:09:46.880 They were there to protest the federally mandated COVID restrictions and mandates.

00:09:52.400 No social distancing happened.

00:09:53.900 It was a point.

00:09:55.520 That is the point, yeah.

00:09:57.080 It was the opposite of antisocial.

00:09:59.200 It was a social gathering that these people were not permitted to have for two and a half years, and they were saying enough is enough.

00:10:05.380 William, what's your takeaway from that crazy, crazy clip?

00:10:08.740 You know, I think, I think, yeah, there's nothing to be said positively about that.

00:10:13.060 But I think you're going to see throughout the evening, throughout the live stream, I'll try to play the devil's advocate a little bit.

00:10:18.960 We're at Rebel News.

00:10:19.620 We're all about telling the other side of the story.

00:10:20.980 We criticize the CBC for only showing one side of the story.

00:10:23.980 So I think it's important to analyze it from every possible angle that you could imagine, especially a testimony like the one from Chief Slowly.

00:10:32.640 And I think, you know, that's the analogy that I made.

00:10:36.060 Let's say that you are a chief of police and you have a pro-abortion protest happening in your city.

00:10:42.300 You are pro-life.

00:10:44.020 So you don't, you're not pro-abortion.

00:10:45.840 You say bad things about the protesters that are coming.

00:10:48.220 Does it inherently take away from your role and your capacities to perform your job well as a police chief?

00:10:58.780 Not necessarily.

00:10:59.640 Perhaps he did not like the convoy, but it doesn't mean he's not able to respect the charges of rights and freedoms.

00:11:06.120 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:11:07.200 That is a good point that he, he can have whatever opinion he wants about it.

00:11:11.960 Um, my, my problem is that he's inventing facts that these people were behaving anti-socially, that it was volatile.

00:11:23.100 Oh, for sure.

00:11:23.580 He can disagree with the convoy all day long as long as he polices fairly.

00:11:26.680 Great.

00:11:27.380 That's, that's actually what I want in this country.

00:11:30.220 I want a diversity, a plurality of viewpoints.

00:11:32.460 100%.

00:11:33.020 Um, and I don't want our police services to be made up of homogeneity.

00:11:38.440 If you, they are to police their peers in society, they should be made up of the viewpoints of the peers of society.

00:11:43.680 Right.

00:11:44.460 Not just all liberals that agree with Justin Trudeau, but he is inserting reality into there that actually doesn't exist.

00:11:51.580 Uh, let's move ahead to clip.

00:11:53.480 Sorry.

00:11:53.920 Let's move ahead to clip two. 0.95

00:11:55.220 Uh, former police chief slowly addresses.

00:11:58.980 Oh my God.

00:11:59.560 You know what?

00:12:00.060 I'm just, again, I'll show you the clip and then we'll go to Celine and then we'll go to, we'll go to William because, uh, this is a bit much.

00:12:08.600 These people need to get over themselves.

00:12:11.580 I know they're federal representatives here, but the trauma impacted on federal employees, elected officials, public officials, the entire infrastructure and ecosystem that represents our nation's capital, the parliamentary district.

00:12:22.940 And the, I believe Mr. Champ quoted 18 or 15,000 residents in that area.

00:12:29.920 I don't know how many businesses.

00:12:31.520 I know the Rideau Center was closed.

00:12:33.260 All of that happened literally within hours.

00:12:37.160 And the relief did not come, I believe, until February 17th, 18th or 19th.

00:12:44.420 Okay.

00:12:44.980 So the most powerful people in the country were uncomfortable for a little bit.

00:12:48.620 Oh, dang.

00:12:49.460 They didn't miss a penny in, um, wages.

00:12:52.420 Not even, you know, he says, you know, the bureauc, the bureaucrat.

00:12:55.420 So when the most, I guess, stable job in the country, you can, they're the laptop and pajamas class.

00:13:02.040 They can go work from home.

00:13:03.300 It's not like a trucker who's not allowed to cross the border.

00:13:06.040 He all of a sudden doesn't have a job.

00:13:08.280 Um, the politicians, they got to make all their money and walk around naked on a Zoom call.

00:13:13.200 Sometimes if you're a liberal, um, MP Amos twice naked on a Zoom call.

00:13:18.380 Um, you know, like, I'm sorry if these people were uncomfortable for a little, about two weeks of their lives.

00:13:26.800 These people were protesting because their lives were destroyed for two years.

00:13:29.940 I, you know what?

00:13:31.620 Cry me a river.

00:13:32.460 I don't care.

00:13:33.200 I don't care.

00:13:34.080 I really don't.

00:13:35.060 Celine, what do you think?

00:13:36.620 No, I totally agree with you.

00:13:38.120 It's, um, these people dealt with these restrictions.

00:13:40.920 Like they're saying that the city was locked down and shut down and all these businesses were shut down.

00:13:46.300 They were told to shut down.

00:13:48.940 They, I remember being there the first day after arriving there on the Thursday, Friday.

00:13:53.240 I'm not sure the specific date, but it was, it was the first day where all of the trucks started to arrive.

00:13:58.000 And we went to redo mall and people were going in there, you know, to spend their money.

00:14:03.780 Absolutely.

00:14:04.540 To, despite the last two years to actually encourage business because they had money to spend and they got told to shut down.

00:14:11.900 So that's not how it happened.

00:14:13.900 And we even asked the people there, you know, we asked the employees of all the various stores that were now at like 12, 1 PM, like lining their doors with that metal retractable screen to shut people out that they were getting told to shut down.

00:14:28.620 It was being, there was calls from higher powers and it was out of their control.

00:14:32.460 So, yeah, I don't, uh, I have no sympathy.

00:14:35.940 Yeah.

00:14:36.540 And these people were also reacting, some of them to a sense of fear because they've been told for two weeks that the KKK is rolling into town.

00:14:45.340 It's going to be January 6th insurrection.

00:14:47.920 Windows are like, not a single window was smashed.

00:14:51.240 Not a single window was smashed in Ottawa.

00:14:54.800 I don't know who it was who said, that's how, you know, that it's pretty darn peaceful when thousands upon thousands of people can converge in your city and there's literally no damage to anything.

00:15:06.960 It's actually cleaner than when they came.

00:15:09.020 That's how, you know, it wasn't a violent mob.

00:15:12.020 This is some of Celine's footage from when she was there.

00:15:14.360 I remember her little H, what is that? 0.97

00:15:16.580 H5N that you're working with there. 1.00

00:15:18.300 William, what do you think about, what do you think about that, uh, that clip?

00:15:21.980 Yeah, you know, I remember that H, that, that microphone, because it's the first micro, the first time I ever did an interview with the rebel news.

00:15:28.020 It was Celine and Mocha there with me, um, but no, you're, you're absolutely right.

00:15:31.660 And I think those people forget that the businesses were closed, not because of Freedom Convoy, but because of the authoritarian mandates that were implemented by Justin Trudeau.

00:15:39.680 During the Freedom Convoy, the businesses that stayed open made 10 times more money.

00:15:44.200 That's possibly an exaggeration, but I'm not even sure it is.

00:15:46.880 They made a lot more money than they did prior to the convoy, because when you're a trucker there, you have to go buy yourself coffee.

00:15:54.360 And when do people go Tim Hortons?

00:15:55.860 And when the Tim Hortons that stayed open, it was always filled out with people all the time.

00:16:01.000 So it's not because of the convoyers that those businesses were closed.

00:16:04.980 It's because of the fear that the business owners had.

00:16:08.520 It's because of the fear that the protest that the business owners had due to reading too much mainstream media.

00:16:18.500 That's why they were closed.

00:16:19.720 And once again, just to remind everyone, inconvenience does not mean emergencies act.

00:16:24.940 Inconvenience does not mean violence.

00:16:26.740 Inconvenience is not a reason, a valid reason to use the emergencies act.

00:16:31.140 And we have that email from the Hotel Association emailing, I think it was with the city manager, Jim Kay, saying, we need their business.

00:16:44.460 You know, like they're coming and we need their business.

00:16:46.760 And so it's pretty clear that, you know, the service and hospitality industry in Ottawa would have benefited from thousands of people coming into town.

00:16:58.400 But the city basically closed everything to everybody and forced people to live out of their trucks and then tried to snatch kids because they were forced to live in their trucks at the hands of the authorities.

00:17:10.300 Neat little circle they made there.

00:17:11.680 Let's skip ahead to clip four, because this is more rewriting history and inventing facts by police chiefs slowly.

00:17:22.180 We announced on the Friday morning at a media conference, and this was specifically to address the level of ongoing disorderly, assaultive, hate-related behavior that our downtown communities and businesses were experiencing, particularly in Councillor Fleury's ward and Councillor McKinney, although I'm not sure she's in office now.

00:17:49.900 But former Councillor McKinney, but former Councillor McKinney, her ward.

00:17:52.600 She's not.

00:17:53.100 And the overwhelming amount of community complaints, business complaints were coming from the unlawful, assaultive-type behavior in that area.

00:18:04.200 And we needed to, that surge-containing in force is not for the red zone, that is for the areas outside of the red zone.

00:18:11.480 The surge-containing.

00:18:13.380 We're using that word again, assaultive behavior.

00:18:16.720 That's not a thing.

00:18:17.960 It's assault or it's not assault.

00:18:20.720 If they're wandering around being blue-collar and conservative in your neighborhood and it makes you uncomfortable, that's not assaultive behavior.

00:18:29.420 That's you being intolerant of other people.

00:18:32.400 And it's the nation's capital.

00:18:34.040 It's everybody's nation's capital.

00:18:36.140 If you don't like the other Canadians might come into your town, might I suggest you live somewhere else? 1.00

00:18:42.280 But that's the nation's capital and it's the capital for all Canadians.

00:18:45.520 But he's saying that disorderly, assaultive, and hate-related, there are zero, zero, zero hate crimes charges stemming from the protest.

00:18:57.660 So he's totally making things up.

00:18:59.560 I think there are only five in the lead-up to the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which should be the true measure of how violent the convoy actually was.

00:19:08.180 Because that's before the police started cracking heads.

00:19:12.940 There are five, I think, violent charges out of 16 in total in between the dates of the 27th of January and the 13th of February.

00:19:24.280 That's how disorderly this thing was.

00:19:26.520 The majority of those are mischief for bringing in firewood and stuff like that because that's a crime now.

00:19:31.680 So it's a crime not to allow people to freeze to death in the nation's capital.

00:19:37.540 And I think two of those, as our friend Tom Marazzo, who was in the convoy, pointed out to us.

00:19:44.220 No, sorry.

00:19:45.320 It was Danny Bulford, former RCMP.

00:19:48.620 He pointed out to us when he was on the show that two of those, at least two of those charges, are attributed to violence against the convoy.

00:19:59.820 So it's really only three violent charges.

00:20:03.600 And I think they're mostly like disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, assaulting an officer.

00:20:07.900 I think three of those, thousands of people in the nation's capital for two weeks.

00:20:12.800 And that's the worst they could come up with.

00:20:14.600 And this guy calls it disorderly assaultive and hate-related.

00:20:17.620 Again, goose egg on the hate crimes charges.

00:20:22.360 Honestly, I'm surprised myself that, like, obviously, they're peaceful.

00:20:27.720 Yes, 100%.

00:20:28.780 When I say I'm surprised that there weren't more charges, when the extent of the brutality that the police used against them, and they still resorted to being peaceful.

00:20:39.320 If I could count, if I had enough fingers to tell you how many videos I saw after that I left, because I made it my mission to make sure that I understood what was going on there every single day.

00:20:51.040 Of peaceful protesters going up to these lines of armed, brutally enforcing police officers with flowers, or offering them warm drinks, or saying, you know, we love you, despite everything that's going on right now.

00:21:05.160 Like, we offer you peace.

00:21:06.640 We're okay with this.

00:21:08.140 It's shocking.

00:21:08.880 It's incredible, really.

00:21:11.560 So incredible.

00:21:12.540 And you want to talk about disorderly assaultive conduct.

00:21:17.300 Assaultive isn't even a thing.

00:21:19.080 But why don't we talk about slowly's cops rounding up peaceful protesters and taking them on starlight tours.

00:21:26.940 That's arresting them without cause.

00:21:29.680 Detaining them without cause.

00:21:31.480 It's kidnapping at the end of the day, as Brendan Miller, lawyer for the convoy, put it.

00:21:35.920 Taking them out of town with no reason to arrest them.

00:21:39.000 Sometimes holding them for hours before they release them in the bitter cold, no cell phone, no shelter, no telecommunications, in a parking lot on the outskirts of town.

00:21:48.840 That is a crime.

00:21:50.740 And two cops went to jail for it in Saskatoon.

00:21:54.380 People started turning up dead.

00:21:56.140 It is a thing you cannot do in policing.

00:21:58.940 I would like to see at the end of this a serious investigation against the officers for that practice.

00:22:05.660 And it happened under slowly's watch.

00:22:07.440 So if you want to talk about disorderly, antisocial conduct, taking protesters off where the potential is that they can freeze to death, that's antisocial for damn sure.

00:22:18.540 William, what do you think?

00:22:20.060 Well, I think in terms of having assaults and it's all allegations.

00:22:24.500 That's what I was trying to do on my computer.

00:22:26.120 I was trying to find the tweet that Mark Garrett seen, the great liberal MP, province's secretary, wrote.

00:22:32.980 But yeah, that's what I told him.

00:22:34.480 But, you know, he wrote that he went on a mall, I believe it was a Bayshore mall in Ottawa, which isn't that far away from downtown Ottawa.

00:22:42.220 And he said that he witnessed assaults happening there.

00:22:47.760 And then he complained about the fact that the protesters.

00:22:50.580 Well, exactly.

00:22:51.080 So that's what I said.

00:22:51.800 You know, there's no video.

00:22:52.540 He didn't link any video.

00:22:53.640 He has his cell phone all the time.

00:22:55.560 He's on Twitter all the time.

00:22:56.880 Couldn't bother to just take it for five seconds, take a video of it.

00:22:59.660 That he called a cop.

00:23:00.760 Is there a report?

00:23:01.480 It's all hearsay.

00:23:03.140 That's what it's that's what it's really all about.

00:23:05.820 And the only once again, the only behavior we've heard from the testimony so far, we've heard Zexy Lee, who was throwing eggs at protesters because she was mad at them. 0.98

00:23:15.980 That's or her friends were.

00:23:17.400 We can't accuse her of it.

00:23:18.960 But she was privy to her friends organizing to do it.

00:23:22.580 And she didn't think it was a bad idea.

00:23:24.260 It might be counseling to commit mischief, which I understand is a crime in Ottawa, saying, hey, that's going to be cool if you do that illegal thing.

00:23:35.520 You know, that's that's assault.

00:23:37.820 That's assaultive behavior, in my opinion.

00:23:39.260 When they talk about assaultive behavior, that's assaultive behavior.

00:23:41.600 And it's not only assaultive behavior.

00:23:42.800 It is assault.

00:23:43.620 But when you look at the side of the protesters, I have yet to see one actual video or proof of assaultive behavior when Jim Watson was talking about the protesters that were taking the masks off the other person's face.

00:23:56.800 And he said, have you seen it, Jim Watson?

00:23:59.180 No, I've read it in the media.

00:24:01.080 It's all about reading in the media.

00:24:02.680 It's never about seeing it in person.

00:24:04.820 Yeah, I'd like to know, like, if Mark Gerritsen takes to Twitter and says he saw assaults, you know what that tells me, leads me to believe about Mark Gerritsen?

00:24:15.800 There's two things.

00:24:17.080 Either he's an absolute garbage person because he saw an assault and reported it to Twitter instead of the police, didn't do anything to intervene.

00:24:24.980 What a hero.

00:24:26.100 Or he's making it up.

00:24:27.380 But it's dealer's choice.

00:24:28.600 He can be a liar or a loser.

00:24:30.620 I mean, I'll let him choose.

00:24:32.420 I mean, you look at his Twitter account, you look at his Twitter account, it's hard to find another option.

00:24:39.000 Yeah.

00:24:41.280 Let's move ahead to clip number five. 0.99

00:24:44.600 Efron, if you want to cue that up, because this is where a normal person, maybe a person with a less hard heart to achieve slowly than me, like maybe William, maybe Celine might have some empathy for him.

00:25:00.000 And I'm having a tough time finding it because he's a 27-year veteran of policing.

00:25:07.260 He served as a deputy police chief in Toronto.

00:25:09.820 He did two tours of policing for the UN, like in a war zone or after the war in Kosovo, helping to maintain the peace and put society back in order.

00:25:22.520 So, I would expect a little bit more toughness than this.

00:25:27.040 But as William points out, we do know from other things, other testimony and other evidence that we've seen, including emails and readouts of phone calls, that he was under extreme pressure from all angles.

00:25:41.620 And that probably made his job very difficult.

00:25:45.440 Let's roll clip five. 0.99

00:25:47.220 Do you feel that they were misunderstood?

00:25:52.220 Yes.

00:25:55.220 Can you elaborate on that?

00:26:00.720 I think I've given this testimony in parliamentary standing committees.

00:26:04.780 The level of disinformation and misinformation was off the charts.

00:26:08.000 It was crushing to the members' morale.

00:26:13.120 It was crushing to the incident command team's morale.

00:26:15.720 It was crushing to my executive team's morale.

00:26:18.180 I suspect it was crushing to the board.

00:26:21.540 It was crushing to everybody.

00:26:26.220 It was unrelenting.

00:26:27.640 It was 24 hours a day.

00:26:29.420 And I think by the end of the weekend, it had become a global story that mainstream media was following.

00:26:34.220 I'm not sure how I feel about it.

00:26:40.420 I still am scraping, scraping to find empathy.

00:26:44.940 Because, yes, I realize there are good police officers there.

00:26:49.680 But the misinformation wasn't about them.

00:26:53.680 It was about the protesters.

00:26:55.220 And I just listened to him testify that they were violent when they weren't.

00:26:58.920 I listened to CBC say they were Russian actors and they weren't.

00:27:02.740 I listened to Steve slowly say that they were assaultive and that it was volatile.

00:27:10.360 It definitely wasn't.

00:27:12.360 So I'm not sure.

00:27:14.260 Like, I get that he's in a pressure cooker, for sure.

00:27:18.460 He's got the OPP telling him things.

00:27:20.960 He's got Steve Bell drafting a plan, an intel plan, not relying on the OPP's intel that they gave him about the convoy coming.

00:27:30.340 So he's got the failure of his subordinates that, you know, if your employees aren't doing their job, it's your fault.

00:27:41.180 And he's got pressure from the crybabies like McKinney and Fleury to, I guess, bust heads. 0.80

00:27:50.620 He's got, as we've seen, pressure from directly out of the federal government, from the public safety deputy minister, telling them that they wanted a quick resolution to this.

00:28:04.340 And this is in a readout of a phone call to achieve the political objectives of the federal government.

00:28:09.660 So he's getting pressure from above.

00:28:11.320 His underlings are failing.

00:28:13.060 He's got political pressure from all sides and the mainstream media telling lies about the convoy, making it seem a lot worse than it was.

00:28:22.140 Meaning if he doesn't react to how bad they say it is, then it looks like he's not doing anything.

00:28:28.020 So I guess maybe I just found that empathy that I couldn't find before.

00:28:31.240 Maybe.

00:28:31.560 I don't know.

00:28:31.960 Celine, what do you think?

00:28:32.740 Um, I'm not sure that I've been convinced, um, sitting here all day watching the commission.

00:28:39.700 Yeah, no, I'm, I'm not convinced.

00:28:41.520 And, uh, and I think that if you're already in that position, if you are literally the chief of police in Ottawa, and you've been hearing for days leading up to this convoy coming into your city, and you still can't take what narrative is presented to you to give to the public, because that is what caused a lot of the terror.

00:29:02.680 And the fright is that, like you said, people assume that it was a fringe minority of racists and terrorists and misogynists coming into their city to ransack it.

00:29:12.140 And it was anything but so if he had actually just, um, deterred from presenting that narrative to people, and he was honest and truthful, I think that he could have made his position a lot easier.

00:29:25.760 And he chose the latter.

00:29:27.700 So I'm not convinced.

00:29:30.320 Yeah, and I, as I said, I think his underlings were failing him.

00:29:34.400 Um, isn't it interesting how Steve Bell was the chief intel officer, and he was supposed to create a plan to deal with the convoy.

00:29:42.340 But he had the OPP intel, which said, you know, they're going to stay for weeks, we don't seem to see any violence in there.

00:29:50.680 Um, they're just coming, they're going to plant themselves.

00:29:53.140 And he drafted a plan that maybe dealt with them through the weekend.

00:29:57.600 So he didn't rely on the intel.

00:29:59.500 And I think that I think that sabotaged slowly, because as soon as slowly gets falls on his sword, guess who takes his job?

00:30:09.340 Steve Bell.

00:30:09.980 So what do you think, William, you seem to have more empathy than the ladies here on this one.

00:30:17.940 You know, as I said, at the beginning, I'll just have a story.

00:30:21.640 Um, it might take a little while, I might go on a little tangent, but I have two points that I want to talk about from this clip.

00:30:27.900 And some of them you already started talking about, Sheila, you stole my talking points.

00:30:32.240 Um, sorry, the joke.

00:30:34.460 I'm your boss.

00:30:35.260 I can take whatever I want.

00:30:37.640 Exactly.

00:30:38.660 Contractually.

00:30:39.060 Um, yeah, I'll ask Ezra to review those contracts.

00:30:42.440 So for the first one, um, you know, I believe, I think that the way slowly was feeling on the stand today was the way the Canadians who are part of the Freedom Convoy felt during the convoy.

00:30:56.080 They felt like mainstream media was misrepresenting them.

00:31:00.260 They felt like mainstream media didn't understand what it was going on.

00:31:04.540 They felt that it was unrelenting 24 hours a day, seven days per week.

00:31:09.540 I believe that the way he felt the way he was crying on the stand is the way that the protesters were feeling throughout the convoy.

00:31:14.680 Um, and, and also it is true that mainstream media did push false information about the convoyers 1000%, but you see outlets that such as press progress, such as the star that also put pressure on the police to be even more strict with the protesters saying that the police wasn't doing enough.

00:31:35.320 And not only mainstream media, but counselors like, well, ex-counselors, thankfully, like Catherine McKinney, who was saying that the police, yeah, thankfully that was saying that the police did not do enough to end the, the, the, the, the peaceful protests earlier when they were here in January.

00:31:53.540 So the police had pressure from both the left and the right, the right was saying that they were playing with fire with their charters of rights and freedoms.

00:32:01.460 They were saying that they were infringing on their rights and freedom while the left was saying that they weren't doing enough to infringe on those rights and freedoms.

00:32:09.740 So when you're chief of police, you're supposed to remain apolitical, which is the reason why we do not have elective chief chief of police in Canada, unlike in other places in the world, because the chief of police has to owe his allegiance to the charter of rights.

00:32:23.440 And freedoms and freedoms and freedoms and freedoms and freedoms, but when you have political interference from counselors, as you were talking about from Justin Trudeau, from Doug Ford, from mayor Watson, from the left, from the right, it's extremely difficult to do, to do your job, you know, impartially and to actually owe your allegiance to the charter of rights and freedom, which is what you're supposed to do.

00:32:43.280 And I think that this whole situation became a political situation because they were trying to find a political solution to the convoy through the police.

00:32:52.380 But that's not the job of the police.

00:32:53.640 The job of the police is to find policing solution to the convoy.

00:32:57.020 And there was no need for a policing solution because the convoy was peaceful.

00:33:01.560 So I think that the fact that the police had to take on a political role overwhelmed their forces.

00:33:08.280 It created the chaos that we're seeing unfold from the past week and a half.

00:33:12.260 And I think that's what really tipped off.

00:33:15.000 That's really what didn't make everything work.

00:33:17.320 And then you have chief slowly who leaves and you have a new one that Steve Bell that comes in.

00:33:22.380 And you see that Steve Bell doesn't have any issue at all playing politics.

00:33:26.580 I think that might have been one of the reasons why he was elected while he was chosen to be the new chief of police.

00:33:32.320 But you see one who has trouble playing politics leave the force.

00:33:36.800 And then you see Steve Bell, who has no issue playing politics and doing Justin Trudeau's dirty work for him, enter the force as the new chief.

00:33:45.720 So I think that was a long analysis, but I think it shows why he felt overwhelmed and why he felt out of control because he knew in his mind morally that he had to owe his allegiance to the charge of rights and freedom while at the same time being given instruction by Justin Trudeau and by all levels of politics.

00:34:04.240 So, yeah, I think that's one of the reasons why he reacted that way.

00:34:09.180 Okay, fine.

00:34:11.420 I just wish that he had stopped and realized that that horrible way that he was feeling was exactly the way the people in front of him were feeling and maybe exercised a little police discretion.

00:34:24.100 Oh, 100%.

00:34:24.980 I'm not saying at all that the way the police acted was fine.

00:34:27.520 I'm not saying that at all.

00:34:28.520 I was just trying to do a big analysis of what could have went on behind the scene.

00:34:32.460 And we're not psychologists.

00:34:36.000 We're journalists.

00:34:38.140 So let's, speaking of which, doing our best.

00:34:41.620 Let's bump ahead to clip six. 0.97

00:34:45.260 I bet you are going to have a lot to say about this, Celine, since you were there on the ground.

00:34:49.740 And William, too, slowly said that the convoy itself was a tinderbox waiting to explode, which, I mean, I'll offer my comments after you see this, but it's weird how it never did explode.

00:35:08.840 Never, ever, ever, ever, even after the crackdown and the betrayal of Justin Trudeau never exploded.

00:35:15.160 Isn't that odd?

00:35:15.960 Quite the tinderbox they had there.

00:35:17.300 Anyway, let's roll it.

00:35:20.960 So on the one hand, we have the city being told that, you know, enforcing bylaws and any laws really was too dangerous for public safety issues, that there was the risk of violence, there was the risk of injury and death.

00:35:34.520 And I can take you to some notes where that's indicated.

00:35:36.580 But on the other hand, the city was also told, at least in this email, seems to have been told, that there wasn't much in terms of a public safety risk.

00:35:45.980 And we've seen, actually, from some EOCCG, which is the group that manages the emergency response on a municipal level, that group was putting out updates every day.

00:35:57.120 And they use language such as party-like atmosphere, it's festive.

00:36:01.700 So there seems to be these two competing narratives.

00:36:03.740 Was this a tinderbox waiting to explode or was this a family-friendly carnival with bouncy castles?

00:36:13.040 And so I wanted to get your perspective on those two narratives.

00:36:15.620 It was a tinderbox waiting to explode.

00:36:19.060 It was not a family festival.

00:36:22.460 No proof whatsoever.

00:36:24.280 Nothing.

00:36:25.080 And, you know, it was completely peaceful again.

00:36:28.800 The police crack down on them.

00:36:31.080 And what happens?

00:36:32.020 They remain peaceful.

00:36:33.580 They get on their knees and they get arrested.

00:36:36.260 Again, they don't riot when the police is coming at them with tear gas and horses.

00:36:42.100 They sing O Canada in the face of police violence.

00:36:46.520 If it were a tinderbox, when it's met with the match of police violence, it would have exploded.

00:36:54.060 It never did.

00:36:55.040 He's just an exaggerator.

00:36:56.700 Celine, what do you think?

00:36:58.400 A thousand percent.

00:36:59.460 And, you know, I thought that that might be the moment when I was watching this live, that he would have the opportunity to turn this around.

00:37:06.040 Because if even one of them admits that this whole thing is a sham and it absolutely was completely unnecessary for this emergencies act to have been invoked in the first place, the narrative will, it'll crumble.

00:37:18.520 It falls right then and there.

00:37:20.440 I thought there was that moment where he just kind of paused and maybe wiped away like a little tear and was like, you know, it was a matchbox.

00:37:30.620 It was horrible.

00:37:31.740 You know, it was not friendly for children.

00:37:33.860 And it was a block party.

00:37:36.860 It was incredible.

00:37:38.160 It was a beautiful thing to be around.

00:37:40.100 Again, I've never we take for granted being here where we are now just months later when we forget that at that point it was we were used to not seeing people's faces.

00:37:51.760 It was just this.

00:37:53.140 You saw this awkward eye contact.

00:37:54.960 People couldn't go out into the streets without being criticized for not wearing a mask.

00:37:58.880 Half of us, well, that's maybe an exaggeration, but I know I couldn't go into restaurants.

00:38:03.520 I couldn't go out to dinner with my family.

00:38:05.720 I couldn't go into movie theaters.

00:38:07.740 I couldn't do things that were normal for people to do.

00:38:11.500 I was declassed and I was treated like I was nothing.

00:38:14.540 And this was the first time that this fringe was accepting of everyone, regardless of their vaccination status, where they come from, the color of their skin, gender.

00:38:24.020 It didn't matter.

00:38:25.260 People there were brought together in unity and love.

00:38:28.800 And that's what they hate.

00:38:30.060 And that's why they are trying to tear this apart.

00:38:32.860 It's why they kept us apart for so long.

00:38:35.480 Right.

00:38:35.680 That's the only way that this could go on for so long.

00:38:39.260 Efron, maybe maybe it's too far down on my Twitter feed.

00:38:42.600 I maybe tweeted a little bit too much today.

00:38:45.460 But there's an email or no, it's text messages from RCMP Commissioner Brenda Luckey.

00:38:52.020 Apparently, these bouncy castles really scared the daylights out of these people because, you know, he's describing bouncy castles as a tinderbox.

00:39:00.620 And RCMP Commissioner Brenda Luckey, she was on a phone call with senior cabinet ministers where some of the most anxiety riddled people that I've ever seen in my life.

00:39:10.520 Okay, so this is a mainstream media journalist doing this.

00:39:16.120 Sounds like a tense cabinet meeting that RCMP Commissioner Brenda Luckey was on the line for.

00:39:21.440 And if you could sort of pop that open.

00:39:24.740 Anyway, she's on the phone with cabinet ministers and she says she's trying to calm them down.

00:39:30.540 But it's not easy when they see cranes, structures, horses, town castles in downtown Ottawa.

00:39:39.540 Could you imagine?

00:39:40.660 Like, you're talking to the RCMP Commissioner and you're having a conniption because you saw people having fun in downtown Ottawa after basically people living in misery for two years.

00:39:53.280 Like, just ridiculous.

00:39:55.060 What a joke.

00:39:56.040 How can these people even show their faces out in the real world?

00:39:59.680 You don't want to be on this call.

00:40:01.760 Not good.

00:40:03.300 Like, get a life, you losers. 0.94

00:40:08.140 Like, absolute crybabies.

00:40:10.500 But these are the people who are making the laws of the land.

00:40:13.000 No, like, they're freaking out with the RCMP Commissioner, the top cop in the country, because they saw a bouncy castle.

00:40:20.280 It's no wonder they invoked the Emergencies Act.

00:40:22.040 Really?

00:40:22.740 Like, when you think about who you're dealing with here, I'd written something down, too.

00:40:27.760 Oh, I have emails or a readout of a phone call with Slowly where he's describing the bouncy castles as an eyesore but not dangerous.

00:40:39.400 So, why is he saying one thing on a phone call with Justin Trudeau's National Security Advisor and then testifying to something totally different now?

00:40:49.240 Again, this is why I think some of those tears are crocodile tears.

00:40:52.900 Yeah, I think that's the reason why we're not able to find a lot of empathy for Peter Stoll, even though I'm trying.

00:40:58.880 I swear I'm trying right now.

00:41:00.400 I struggle.

00:41:00.780 I know, because you're a better Christian than me.

00:41:05.440 Celine, you said he didn't say it was unnecessary to invoke the act, but multiple witnesses beforehand, before him in the past few days stated.

00:41:14.240 And once again, that's the line that I keep repeating every live stream because everyone says it at the end.

00:41:19.360 Helpful, but not necessary.

00:41:23.240 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:23.720 That's always what they're saying.

00:41:25.600 Every single one that I'm convinced that it is going to come up in the cross-examination with Brendan Miller.

00:41:32.240 Helpful, but not necessary.

00:41:34.840 And, I mean, he did a comparison.

00:41:36.840 He stated that the Freedom Convoy was, quote-unquote, a tinderbox waiting to explode.

00:41:42.460 Bouncy castles truly look at a tinderbox.

00:41:44.880 You know, when I think bouncy castle, I think of a family event.

00:41:48.780 The first option, she stated, when I see jacuzzis, when I see pools, when I see hot tops, that's a family event.

00:41:56.060 It's not a tinderbox waiting to explode.

00:41:58.500 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:59.000 That's a party.

00:42:00.120 You have a party for you.

00:42:01.440 It's not a tinderbox ready to explode.

00:42:03.420 So, yeah.

00:42:04.140 I just want to take it back a couple more steps, if that's okay.

00:42:07.100 I just want to kind of go back to that point of bouncy castles being addressed as very dangerous.

00:42:12.020 These are the people that are supposed to be in charge of our security and our safety.

00:42:15.280 And can you imagine if this was an actual danger, an actual insurrection movement that came into any city, and they're classifying children's play toys as being dangerous?

00:42:27.860 What would that look like if that was real?

00:42:30.320 These are the people that are in charge of our safety.

00:42:32.660 I'm like, who is appointing you?

00:42:35.380 Let's have a talk.

00:42:35.960 No wonder these worry warts are coming to grab my guns.

00:42:39.920 They'll be coming for the pool toys next.

00:42:41.920 Like, it's completely insane.

00:42:43.900 Floaties, pool pills.

00:42:45.280 Yeah.

00:42:45.900 No more butter knives in the homes.

00:42:48.780 You know what?

00:42:49.380 Have you guys paid attention to some, like, UK police departments?

00:42:53.620 They routinely tweet pictures of, like, the things that they've taken off the street to make the street a safer place.

00:42:59.860 And sometimes it's, like, knitting needles and, like, gardening tools.

00:43:02.780 And they tweet it out, like, you just stop and frisk somebody's grandma on the street.

00:43:10.160 You took her knitting needles.

00:43:12.480 Like, it's just crazy.

00:43:13.780 But that's the path we're headed on very, very quickly.

00:43:16.040 Um, Efron, we'll go to clip seven because it talks about misinformation.

00:43:21.660 And then, um, I, if you wouldn't mind, it's something I wrote up quite late in the day, although it's published on the website now.

00:43:30.920 Um, nobody else is really talking about it yet, but we should talk about it because there's, like, a convoy tie into there.

00:43:37.020 And it's, I take a sideways jab at the CBC, which I do every chance I get.

00:43:41.700 But, um, it's about, um, that Russian spy that just got arrested.

00:43:46.360 If you can find it on the website, we'll, we'll talk about that as soon as we go to clip seven, please.

00:43:55.720 Uh, officers will often have to do a fist bump or lean in for a selfie just to try to keep the temperature down and the circumstances they're in.

00:44:03.880 Um, that is just the, the, the, the, the reality of almost any circumstance, any day, not even requiring something of this level, just in order to try to build rapport in a minute.

00:44:16.080 So to keep things at the right level or deescalate things that could be escalating.

00:44:19.880 And I'll always defer to an officer on that.

00:44:22.080 In the broader sense, I could understand, and maybe that's where my comments were attributed in the broader sense, these photos that are being, going viral on social media without proper context.

00:44:33.880 Could be extremely problematic and were extremely problematic.

00:44:37.700 They were used extensively in the social media disinformation and misinformation campaigns, and unfortunately, cracked into some of the mainstream media reporting as well.

00:44:46.120 First of all, they want me to believe that if a violent maniac is on the street, assaultive to use their language, that if you just whip out your camera and say, you know what, let's take a selfie together, that that'll just all of a sudden calm them down.

00:45:04.760 No, you take pictures with people who are already behaving themselves, because that's what you do when everybody's hanging out and having fun.

00:45:13.000 Selene and I take selfies when we're hanging out and we're working and having fun.

00:45:16.960 That's what you do.

00:45:17.600 You, I don't find the craziest, wildest person on the street and say, you know what, bro, get in here.

00:45:23.160 Like, it's just ridiculous.

00:45:25.220 Yeah, if it was that dangerous, I don't think they would be taking the time to take some selfies with the people.

00:45:29.780 Right?

00:45:30.000 Like, that's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

00:45:33.460 Most specifically, I think that's a really good way, again, to debase the peacefulness, because when you have police officers that are there and you can see the genuine smiles and the happiness, the convoy was, I was there when it arrived.

00:45:47.380 Okay?

00:45:48.020 The police officers, the majority that I saw, were welcoming people.

00:45:52.920 They don't want to hear that.

00:45:54.040 They don't want to be told that a lot of the police officers, whom I heard with my own ears, I saw with my own eyes, a few of them piped up to say, some behind their masks still, thank you, because we need you here for this, too.

00:46:08.500 Because under all of this, this was, it was so essential.

00:46:12.600 It was so essential.

00:46:13.900 And that's perfect, you know, paint, paint these protesters as super crazy and super dangerous, just so that they're not able to actually, like, get forth the message that needs to be brought forward to people, to the audience that mainstream media was directing this to.

00:46:30.440 High tensions?

00:46:32.140 Like, yeah, you don't, you're not going to run up to someone that you think is dangerous as a police officer.

00:46:36.360 No, not exactly.

00:46:37.240 And be like, oh, yeah, this is, this is normal.

00:46:39.500 Like, I'll fist bump you so that, you know, we can keep tensions low.

00:46:43.240 What is, that's just, it's absolutely ridiculous.

00:46:45.760 Well, that's the issue.

00:46:46.380 And I hope that it comes out in the cross-examination with Brendan Miller.

00:46:49.220 I think a lot of the things that we're talking about right now are going to come out in the cross-examination with the convoy lore.

00:46:56.020 So it'll be great.

00:46:59.360 Let's go to that piece that I just wrote up.

00:47:01.940 I just, I just read it quickly, by the way.

00:47:04.260 It's very interesting, Sheila.

00:47:06.960 I thought it was kind of funny.

00:47:09.500 So this little interesting piece.

00:47:14.500 So this Russian spy was just arrested in Norway, posing as a Brazilian researcher specializing in, you guessed, or disinformation and what they called hybrid threats.

00:47:29.500 And as it turns out, he was a volunteer for the NDP in 2015 when he was in Canada for some reason.

00:47:37.000 We had a Russian operative in Canada for some reason.

00:47:38.940 He was working for a volunteer, I believe, for Sean Devine for the NDP.

00:47:49.500 And Mr. Devine, wouldn't you know it, was recently elected to Ottawa City Council.

00:48:00.600 And Mr. Devine was one of the, like, most ferocious opponents to the convoy.

00:48:10.980 So when they are saying that, oh, you know, the convoy's a bunch of Russian operatives, I don't know.

00:48:17.760 I've never seen a Russian operative identified within the convoy, but they did have one working for the other side.

00:48:22.960 So I think the phone call might be coming from inside the house.

00:48:27.040 But, of course, the mainstream media is not going to talk about the Russian spy that the Ottawa City Councilor had working on his campaign.

00:48:34.760 The convoyers are Russian operatives.

00:48:36.540 It's crazy.

00:48:38.380 It's so perfect.

00:48:40.720 Yeah.

00:48:41.560 It's a lot of Russian operatives.

00:48:44.220 Yeah.

00:48:44.900 It's on the other side.

00:48:46.820 Yeah.

00:48:47.240 Well, that's the issue.

00:48:48.220 You know, the NDP and the people that follow that ideological line of thinking all claim that the convoy was foreign-funded, Russian-funded.

00:48:55.540 There were weapons coming to Ottawa.

00:48:59.080 And now we see that it's actually their own party that welcomes those Russian spies that we're talking about.

00:49:04.160 It's not very revealing.

00:49:05.420 Yeah, tell that to the Canadians' bank accounts who were frozen for donating.

00:49:09.500 Yeah, lots of Russians, right, for sure.

00:49:11.620 Yeah.

00:49:12.360 Let's freeze Sean Devine's bank account until we figure out if he's still in communication with a literal Russian spy.

00:49:19.480 Again, I see the phone call from the Kremlin.

00:49:22.120 It's coming from inside the house a little bit.

00:49:24.000 Before we get to some of these chats, let's throw to something we are calling a rebel reality check.

00:49:35.540 Our friend and chief documentarian, Kian Simone, every day he watches the convoy diligently.

00:49:43.960 And then he goes through our archival records because we have hundreds and hundreds of hours of archival footage from when we were actually embedded in the convoy.

00:49:54.680 So, Kian, he takes the testimony of the people who are selling you a bunch of baloney at the commission, and then he reality checks it.

00:50:13.680 So, let's throw to the first rebel reality check.

00:50:16.120 I think the, like, when you look at how professional the officers were that did public order, right, like, no one was running in.

00:50:29.160 I think that it wasn't heavy-handed in any way.

00:50:31.320 It wasn't an ability to respond to the numbers in front of them.

00:50:35.880 We're literally running the horses through the crowd.

00:50:38.180 I understand it's like a tactic that they use to try and split up the crowd, but there's just so many people there.

00:50:42.940 I just do not think that that was the right move.

00:50:45.520 And when you look at it, I don't think it was heavy-handed.

00:50:47.880 I think it was very professionally done from a pleasing tactical perspective.

00:50:52.320 And he took his gun off tear gas, and he actually shoot me directly in my legs.

00:51:02.380 Oh! 0.60

00:51:03.260 Ow! 1.00

00:51:04.240 Ow! 1.00

00:51:04.720 Ow! 1.00

00:51:05.720 Ow! 1.00

00:51:07.040 Ow! 1.00

00:51:12.940 Ow! 1.00

00:51:16.120 Ow! 1.00

00:51:17.100 Ow! 1.00

00:51:17.680 I think the, like, when you look at how professional the officers were that did public order, right?

00:51:24.840 It's like these people were testifying from another planet, or something.

00:51:28.980 Like, how could they not know that their officers were involved imagining these things?

00:51:33.020 Were the officers just doing them and not filing reports?

00:51:36.520 You know, you have to file a report if you use force on somebody.

00:51:39.560 Were they not?

00:51:40.140 i don't know i'd like to see if those records are ever produced before the inquiry i'm not sure

00:51:46.940 um we are already at seven o'clock for william he's been at it all day celine you've been at

00:51:53.900 it all day you were watching the commission starting at 7 30 and it is very very taxing

00:52:00.200 to sit there and because you have to listen and then type but then you have to listen while

00:52:06.320 they're talking and you're typing things they already just said and it's a lot it's very

00:52:10.080 late it's very taxing on your brain and uh i think you did a great job today um celine why don't you

00:52:16.340 tell everybody your twitter handle if they want to go back and check out your tweets yeah guys go

00:52:21.300 check it out it's a celine cxliv my name starts with an s i'll spell it for you so it's not celine like

00:52:27.440 dion s-e-l-e-n-e celine cxliv go check it out from the beginning to the very end i have all of the

00:52:34.680 the juiciest updates from today's uh events yeah check them out and and we also have the her tweets

00:52:42.280 embedded on our special website for uh covering the convoy commission at trucker commission.com

00:52:49.580 you'll see all of our coverage there in william's scrums and his daily wrap-ups too as well

00:52:55.100 um and these live streams so just before we move on to the chess there's one click and there's one

00:53:01.140 clip that i want to make sure we that we look at it took place yesterday night in the evening at

00:53:06.540 between 6 30 and 9 30 there was a parliamentary hearing happening in west block um where mayor

00:53:12.760 jim watson and other people were testifying in front of the in front of a committee made of politicians

00:53:18.520 and there's one clip between yezer nagvi and jim watson where they spoke about the fact that pierre

00:53:24.340 poilyev took pictures with participants in the freedom convoy let's take a look at that

00:53:30.200 never seen anything like that uh what you described how did you feel when you saw some

00:53:36.380 members of parliament uh including now the leader of the opposition going out there buying coffee and

00:53:42.140 taking photos with uh with people who were disturbing the lives of the community and shut down the city

00:53:47.140 the best way to describe that behavior is uh disrespectful disrespectful to the people of ottawa

00:53:53.000 particularly since uh the now leader of the opposition is an mp from ottawa so a lot of his

00:53:59.240 constituents would have been individuals who lived in his ward and worked downtown and much of downtown

00:54:05.000 was shut down we just got out of the lockdown as a result of covet 19 and then the stores are finally

00:54:11.020 starting to open the restaurants are starting to open and then there's another lockdown caused by

00:54:15.380 the convoy so it was not uh helpful at all to be mugging with selfie sticks and taking pictures

00:54:22.100 with the convoy our city was hurting and we needed some empathy and sympathy and not these kind of

00:54:28.760 tactics thank you it's so ridiculous so talking what you can say by the way i think jim watson wasn't

00:54:37.020 up to date with his uh politic political vocabulary in the federal government you call it writings it's

00:54:41.780 not awards it's the writing of carlton it's not a ward of carlton but you know talking with your

00:54:47.180 constituents talking with protesters is literally your mandate as a politician that's your job

00:54:51.900 and jim watson alongside yazir nagvi and all the other ndp mps that were in the room at that time

00:54:58.140 were trying to vilify well yeah for having spoken with the people who are part of the peaceful freedom

00:55:04.920 convoy yeah you know what that's all anybody ever wanted the convoy all they wanted was somebody to

00:55:13.500 talk to them to speak to them to listen to them to hear them that's all they wanted uh you can

00:55:19.220 actually see that in the back and forth of the emails when the uh deputy public safety minister

00:55:24.060 gets involved uh they're saying we just we'll we'll move but we'd like to talk to somebody if that would

00:55:30.960 be fine and uh the feds dropped the hammer before they had to fulfill their end of that bargain 0.99

00:55:37.340 let's get to some of his chats here we've got a t o m o t t i think this is adam ottawa if it's not

00:55:45.700 i'm sure someone will let me know but i'm pretty sure this is it this is him he gives us five bucks

00:55:49.580 and says thanks for having these feeds available all day it saves me from having to stream it from

00:55:53.660 rogers owned outlets have a wicked weekend rebels we will and by the way uh selena i think you're going 0.52

00:56:00.740 to be there on sunday aren't you i'll be there on the 2nd um november yeah yeah no no no

00:56:07.100 this sunday are you going to be at our showing of the alberta documentary at church in the vine

00:56:12.720 absolutely oh yeah yes that's on sunday for those of you in the edmonton area um selena and i we were

00:56:20.880 we are going to have a great weekend because we are going to spend it together with probably four or

00:56:25.160 five hundred of friends we haven't met yet and some that we are re-meeting at church in the vine

00:56:30.500 where we're showing kian simoni's new documentary it's called ungovernable alberta's quest for

00:56:35.560 independence and there are still tickets available i have to run out and grab refreshments for

00:56:40.760 everybody tonight i'm not sure how i'm going to fit drinks for four or five hundred in my jeep

00:56:46.300 maybe i'll take the pickup we're gonna i'm gonna find out the hard way if i can do it um so if you

00:56:52.180 want tickets it's at alberta documentary.com and it's great family friendly price point it's 12 bucks

00:56:57.960 a person includes popcorn and the drinks that i have to run out and pick up tonight so we hope to see

00:57:04.200 there there's still a few tickets available and you know hopefully we can pack the place church in the

00:57:09.700 vine has been a good friend to the rebel and we've done our very best to help them as they

00:57:14.740 you know struggle against these administrative penalties with the alberta government for

00:57:19.900 refusing to have their church invaded by covet inspectors while services were in progress so

00:57:26.380 that's where we'll be selene i can't wait to see you it's going to be fun uh let's keep going

00:57:31.520 we've got taoscape gives us five bucks why is there no talk of ottawa zoning and planning why are

00:57:37.300 residents allowed to live so close to ground zero of political action in canada and able to be used

00:57:41.900 as human shields by the government you know what i don't i don't know it's just people live downtown

00:57:46.620 yeah yeah people live downtown it's the same everywhere i don't think i don't i don't think

00:57:51.920 there should be necessarily a distance between the federal government uh buildings and the city

00:57:56.480 when you live in ottawa you you know that you're going to live in a place where there is going to

00:58:01.520 be protests you need to go with your decision just like if you're going to live in the wood you know

00:58:05.300 there's probably going to be wi-fi issues so i mean the people that live in ottawa made the decision to

00:58:10.020 live in downtown in downtown ottawa they made that decision for themselves so they should have expected

00:58:15.100 protest i don't think should be a regulation imposed by the government that you're not allowed to go live

00:58:20.760 next department yeah you choose where you live and you deal with the circumstances of where you live

00:58:27.740 for example thank you elon musk for helping my wi-fi with starlink because it used to be terrible but

00:58:34.680 that's just how it is where i live you know there's i don't even have landlines it's it's the middle of

00:58:40.280 nowhere anyway let's keep going uh we've got one from annalisa 1964 annalisa long time no chat um

00:58:49.240 i she's a regular viewer of the noon live streams and she's got david menzies in the bloodstream that

00:58:55.480 woman he's floating around in there like a covid vaccine clot um anyways she gives us 20 bucks 1.00

00:59:02.000 hi everyone am i a bad person for laughing when buddy started to cry anyway keep up the amazing work

00:59:07.300 um i don't know i i'm not gonna judge you i just i'm like i said i'm scraping the bottle of

00:59:14.020 bottle of the barrel to find any sort of empathy for him i just wish he had those same

00:59:18.800 the same empathy we're trying to have for him for the peaceful protesters in his city because i

00:59:25.800 didn't see it okie doke and one more from utabersi uh five bucks if these guys were to give testimonials

00:59:33.620 in a real court they would never get away with these half truths probably also yeah that's one

00:59:39.460 of the things that we're hearing a lot you know one of the things that i was talking about to keith

00:59:42.740 wilson the lawyer for tamara leashes the level of hearsay that we're hearing and what's going to be

00:59:47.420 powerful is to see the difference between their testimony and the cross-examination and if the

00:59:53.520 judge sees that they seem less truthful in their original testimony he's going to believe that person

00:59:58.840 less so it's all about public opinion and you know being able to convince the judge the commissioner

01:00:04.340 commissioner who's also a judge that's why i call him a judge um and showing him that you know

01:00:08.860 when you give your lying hearsay testimony it is a lot less credible than when you're being pressed

01:00:14.480 on and you're not able to actually answer the questions yeah yeah and and the convoy lawyers

01:00:22.200 are only given five minutes you know the the government gets all the time the commission gets

01:00:27.200 all the time and then everybody else has to split their time between um people who are sympathetic to

01:00:33.480 the crackdown and people who care about civil liberties and they just get five minutes a piece and

01:00:38.400 you know they do amazing they do amazing what they have yeah yeah it depends because let's say the

01:00:44.160 commission is taking four hours well they're going to have to split the four hours within

01:00:47.760 10 councils 10 parties whereas if the commission is taking two hours they're going to have to split

01:00:52.620 within you know all those people so sometimes they're going to only be having five minutes

01:00:57.020 and other times you might see them have a little bit more time great well i think we're all caught up

01:01:04.520 i think i was having sound connection issues wi-fi issues when i was talking about wi-fi issues which

01:01:10.660 is strange anyway uh guys great work this week covering the trucker commission if anybody would

01:01:18.580 like to see their work go to trucker commission dot c if you'd like to support their work from on

01:01:23.580 the ground in ottawa but also dot com from i think dot ca works does it work possibly yeah i'm sure it

01:01:30.660 does um if you'd like to support their work from on the ground in ottawa where william is and we also

01:01:36.800 have a rotating team there we've got kian simoni in from calgary although he's out now because he's

01:01:42.180 got to do his documentary and then he's gonna fly back and selene's headed there next week so if you'd

01:01:47.480 like to support their work um so that you can see truly truly the other side of the story a skeptics

01:01:53.240 version of what's happening here but also through the lens of people like selene who is actually on the

01:01:58.940 ground just go to trucker commission dot com or dot ca uh i think both work but yeah it works

01:02:05.540 i just i i just checked it yeah it works okay well everybody have a great weekend um and you know

01:02:12.720 what i'll just say it as david menzies always says stay sane

01:02:15.540 um and you testified that by the 29th on the saturday i thought i heard you say this morning that the

01:02:26.720 demonstration was an unlawful demonstration is that right by virtue of the first law broken in

01:02:32.340 and around it okay and so what did you mean by that what were the laws broken too many to list

01:02:37.560 can you give me a sense like are we talking criminal code violations by law provincial

01:02:43.380 offenses act criminal code federal statutes too many to list

01:02:46.780 okay

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Rebel News Podcast - October 29, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 12

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