Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 25 ｜ Deputy Finance Minister Testifies

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00:00:21.520 All right, welcome back, everyone, after a long day at the Emergency Act Inquiry here

00:00:25.980 in Ottawa to determine whether or not Justin Trudeau's use of the Emergency Act was justified

00:00:31.080 and necessary.

00:00:32.440 We had a very long date, and I'm here joining my Celine Gallus, a colleague of mine at Rebel

00:00:37.900 News, and we will walk you through what went on today at the inquiry.

00:00:42.460 Later on, we will also be joined by some lawyers, and Tom Morato, fake lawyer for the three convoy,

00:00:47.940 that's just a joke.

00:00:48.760 He's an intern slash volunteer slash key actor during the convoy.

00:00:54.240 So, Celine, how are you doing?

00:00:56.440 I'm doing very good.

00:00:57.680 As William just said, we had a very long day at the commission.

00:00:59.980 There's lots to go over, so definitely stay tuned.

00:01:02.580 And who do we have provide their testimonies today?

00:01:06.340 Do you want to go over that?

00:01:07.660 Yeah, well, today we had people from the defense ministry, Ministry of Defense.

00:01:12.500 Three of them we did, yeah.

00:01:13.520 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:14.340 So, it was very interesting to see what they knew or didn't know about the CSIS Act and

00:01:20.080 whether or not they thought that the CSIS Act was something relevant, which I mean,

00:01:23.140 it is.

00:01:23.920 When you look at the Emergency's Act, it is extremely relevant.

00:01:26.960 Arguably, it's the most relevant and important thing.

00:01:31.060 It's the key.

00:01:31.680 It's the key to all of this.

00:01:32.880 It's that little piece of the puzzle that we're missing.

00:01:35.840 But, I mean, all the information has been provided, and, you know, lots to come out about that.

00:01:41.020 We have a couple of lawyers later to be able to run us through the details of what went

00:01:45.900 on today.

00:01:46.720 You know, we just arrived back to our little RV, and I still have my commission badge on.

00:01:51.900 So, yeah.

00:01:52.780 So, today we had some interesting testimony.

00:01:55.440 It was a long day.

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00:02:17.120 Can you tell us a little bit more about Archer Pawlowski?

00:02:19.600 Yes.

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00:03:48.360 No, I think it's going to be very interesting to hear Tamara Lee speak. 0.88

00:03:51.680 Oh, absolutely.

00:03:52.180 She hasn't spoken.

00:03:53.240 She hasn't done any media interview for the past, since the Freedom Convoy that was here

00:03:57.500 basically because of her unjustifiably harsh bell conditions, all because she was one of 1.00

00:04:05.340 those who was the key leaders of the Freedom Convoy.

00:04:08.920 Unbelievable.

00:04:09.520 I think Keith Wilson once made a comparison that in Russia, there's some politicians or

00:04:15.320 there's some criminals in Russia that have less harsh bell conditions than Tamara Lee has. 1.00

00:04:21.600 And Justin Trudeau's Canada, it's absolutely unbelievable.

00:04:25.020 In any regard, as we said earlier, we will have some lawyers come on.

00:04:28.620 And I said, we have a lawyer right here, Eva Cipiuk, one of the lawyers for Freedom Corp.

00:04:35.360 Basically, Tamara Lee, Shhtam Muradzo, Chris Barbers, and a lot of other individuals as well.

00:04:40.060 She'll be able to run us through the key moments that took place today.

00:04:43.980 And she'll be able to give us a lawyer perspective of what went on today during the Immunities

00:04:49.340 Act Inquiry proceeding.

00:04:50.860 So, let's go to a quick ad break, super quick.

00:04:53.240 And when we come back, you'll see Eva Cipiuk on the screen.

00:04:56.360 So, let's take a quick break for the moment.

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00:06:57.160 All right, let's start that over again.

00:06:58.340 We have on Freedom Convoy lawyer, Eva Chip here, joining us today to discuss what went

00:07:04.220 on at the Emergency Act Inquiry.

00:07:06.280 Eva, how are you doing?

00:07:07.380 All right.

00:07:07.760 It was a really long day.

00:07:09.620 I can't even believe we had the finance department up first.

00:07:13.080 That seems like it was yesterday or last week, almost even now.

00:07:18.160 Any questions for me?

00:07:19.780 Well, I know the finance department, as you mentioned, is basically the finance ministry.

00:07:23.220 So that's the people who have Chrystia Freeland as a boss. 1.00

00:07:27.980 They work under Chrystia Freeland.

00:07:29.600 Those are her lackeys.

00:07:30.880 That's as I described them today during my live tweeting.

00:07:33.440 As you could tell, there was no one there, really.

00:07:36.080 There's no head honcho.

00:07:37.180 Maybe apart from the main foot man being, his name has escaped me.

00:07:42.920 The one in the middle that just was his name.

00:07:46.220 I believe that Michael Savia, the deputy minister of finance.

00:07:51.160 That's right.

00:07:51.760 Can you give us a quick rundown of their testimony?

00:07:56.180 What's the most important thing that we need to catch from their testimony?

00:07:59.820 Ken, it was so long ago, and I'm trying to, that's why I was hoping you would shoot me

00:08:03.740 a question.

00:08:04.360 But what I do recall 110% is that for at least the first hour, they were going on and on

00:08:11.140 about economic impacts because of the border blockades and the protests in general.

00:08:16.480 And then under questioning still with the commission council, she basically asked, she took them

00:08:24.640 to a document and it said that there were no significant impacts to the economy as a

00:08:32.620 result of the protests.

00:08:35.260 So kind of shot down basically the first hour of their evidence.

00:08:39.580 And, you know, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

00:08:42.460 And we had some of this evidence yesterday is that when you lock down a country for two

00:08:46.360 years, you're going to affect the economy.

00:08:48.280 When you're going to add in an Arrive Can app that isn't, doesn't work for other countries,

00:08:53.900 you're going to affect the economy.

00:08:56.340 When you have a vaccine mandate, you're going to affect the economy.

00:09:00.860 So these three massive things that weren't discussed, that massively affect the economy,

00:09:08.200 weren't considered, were kind of disregarded.

00:09:11.280 And yet a protest, if we're talking about Windsor Bridge, like five people, five days.

00:09:16.760 And this is what we're talking about at the inquiry?

00:09:19.700 I don't think so.

00:09:21.360 Yeah.

00:09:21.900 Something very particularly disturbing that I found about something that Sabia said

00:09:26.860 was that he made this border blockade, specifically talking about the one at Ambassador Bridge.

00:09:32.840 He started talking about the real human impacts of that.

00:09:36.880 Are you kidding me?

00:09:39.240 Where's the evidence to go over the last two years and the real human impact of the people

00:09:45.640 that lost their jobs, lost their livelihoods, their lives?

00:09:49.540 They experienced cutback budgeting, et cetera.

00:09:52.500 You name it, people, not just in Canada, the whole world experienced that.

00:09:57.400 And so the fact that he had the audacity to point out that there were real human impacts

00:10:02.480 of other people due to the fact that these handful of people went to Windsor Bridge

00:10:07.680 and parked their trucks there along the road, not even directly on the blockade.

00:10:13.120 There's distance between the border, actually.

00:10:16.920 It was insane to me.

00:10:18.340 Yeah.

00:10:18.520 It was, it, I was, yeah, I reached a boiling point today.

00:10:23.680 Maybe more than a few times, if you could tell by my live tweeting, but definitely.

00:10:27.600 Well, I think that's the question that she asked, you know, how can you disregard everything

00:10:30.760 that happened in the past, in the past three years during the pandemic?

00:10:32.880 Two years and talk about, yeah.

00:10:34.580 100%.

00:10:35.380 What reality are they living in?

00:10:36.940 Just to give the viewers a quick look at what his testimony looked like, what that testimony

00:10:41.660 looked like with this panel of the three people from the finest ministry.

00:10:45.320 Let's take a look at clip number five, where the same person, the deputy minister of finance

00:10:50.400 said, well, there was a very simple solution for everyone.

00:10:54.860 All you had to do is leave.

00:10:56.440 That's all that we had to do.

00:10:57.440 Let's just check it out.

00:10:58.100 The government announced its intention to proclaim or to invoke the Emergencies Act on the 14th.

00:11:10.640 It was very clear, very clear as of that date, and the minister of finance was very clear as of that date,

00:11:19.440 that people involved in these disruptions ran the risk of having their counts frozen.

00:11:27.720 That was very clear.

00:11:29.720 So there was a period of notice there, and it was very clear that all that had to happen was for those people to leave,

00:11:38.640 and as if they did, their accounts would never have been frozen or that they would be immediately unfrozen if they did leave.

00:11:45.660 So I think people had reasonable notice, and it was a very simple solution.

00:11:54.100 All you had to do was leave.

00:11:58.460 That's very simple to me.

00:11:59.760 All you had to do was leave.

00:12:01.720 And all the federal government had to do was talk to them.

00:12:04.480 So there we go.

00:12:05.700 That's a very good response.

00:12:06.740 Transactions both ways.

00:12:08.420 So what I was talking about before was the intelligence, and so that was the first bid in, you know, how much the economy was affected.

00:12:15.640 And then the second part of their conversation was about enforcement.

00:12:19.060 And now I'm remembering.

00:12:20.180 It's coming back to me.

00:12:21.120 I was in shock as to what they were proposing to the banks.

00:12:25.440 So they sent to the banks two proposals.

00:12:28.600 One is we could tell you who the designated people are, and then you take the measures to freeze their bank accounts.

00:12:33.740 Or number two, watch the news, and then make a decision and freeze their bank accounts.

00:12:40.660 So now we're giving enforcement powers to the bank based on the news.

00:12:46.740 Why do we have police?

00:12:48.320 Why do we have intelligence reports?

00:12:50.700 Yeah, no, 100%.

00:12:51.660 And there's another thing, too.

00:12:54.600 I think it came out during either Brendan Miller's testimony or this council for the CCR?

00:13:00.520 CCLA and CCF.

00:13:02.160 Okay, so just before we get to that, can you tell us a little bit more about this lawyer?

00:13:06.340 Do you know about him?

00:13:08.060 No, I don't.

00:13:08.760 Okay, well, today, you know, we always praise Brendan Miller as being a great lawyer.

00:13:13.240 But today we saw another lawyer also send out from the crowd, the same lawyer who was cross-examining.

00:13:17.480 What I do know about him, I could say, is his name is Sujid Chowdhury.

00:13:20.840 That's who you just saw.

00:13:21.860 And he is on, I think it is the CCF.

00:13:27.000 CCF, I believe so.

00:13:28.000 There's a couple acronyms, but together with Brendan Miller, with the JCCF, CCLA, CCF, they're doing a judicial review of the Emergencies Act.

00:13:38.680 So they've been in court since March in federal court already arguing some of these things.

00:13:44.740 So they've seen the issues that were arising, and he was making these arguments because this is a huge issue of government overreach that I think everyone is concerned about.

00:13:53.680 Yeah, well, there's one question that I wanted to get to.

00:13:56.800 I believe it was Brendan Miller.

00:13:58.080 I believe it was during Brendan Miller's cross-examination.

00:14:00.980 He was trying to ask whether or not the Freedom Convoy was a political process, was a political cause.

00:14:09.280 You know, because donating to a political cause under our Charter of Rights and Freedoms is something that's protected because of Canada.

00:14:16.220 We are supposed to have freedom of speech.

00:14:18.440 That's something we're supposed to have as Canadians.

00:14:20.120 But the minister, the deputy minister, didn't seem to want to give a definite answer as to whether or not the Freedom Convoy was a political cause, which, I mean, it's just, it is a political cause.

00:14:32.180 That's what it is.

00:14:33.180 What else could it be?

00:14:34.540 What did you make of that line of questioning?

00:14:36.960 Yeah, it was pretty silly, in my opinion.

00:14:39.140 There was so much dancing around the questions today.

00:14:41.720 And I don't know if they think that that's a good way of responding, but if you're a government official and meant to enforce and you're in this power position, you can't say you don't know these answers.

00:14:53.420 That is incredibly irresponsible for these civil servants to be acting this way and to be talking this way.

00:15:00.760 So he said, as a civilian, maybe that's what it is.

00:15:04.360 Well, if you're going to start enforcing, figure out what the issue is first.

00:15:08.740 Don't come to an inquiry about the Emergencies Act without the answers.

00:15:12.940 Yeah, for sure.

00:15:13.880 I do agree that there was a lot of dancing around the question, not answering the street question.

00:15:18.440 How did you notice that as well?

00:15:20.480 Don't get me started.

00:15:22.120 Don't make them subjected to just, okay, actually, yes.

00:15:26.100 So 100%, I would, yeah, thanks for asking me that.

00:15:29.600 Like, are you serious?

00:15:31.460 That's all I saw today.

00:15:32.780 It's actually alarming because that's actually starting to increase, I'm realizing, is that there's almost like there was a bit of a standard during the beginning, right?

00:15:41.320 Those things weren't allowed.

00:15:42.460 People weren't really doing them.

00:15:43.680 If they didn't know how to answer a question, they would, it was far and few in between.

00:15:47.580 They didn't know how to answer the question.

00:15:49.120 Now we're seeing consistently, they're even like just getting a rise out of the people around them, making really smart mouth comments.

00:15:56.100 And just, you know, either being really regret, regret, sorry, forgetful, like we saw with Brenda Lucky having potentially even issues with her memory, which she should probably go and get checked out as a commissioner of the RCMP.

00:16:09.200 That's pretty crazy.

00:16:39.180 Financier's whole testimony was super odd.

00:16:42.760 I found it was, it was very weird to listen to it, a little bit frustrating.

00:16:45.980 Let's take a look at clip number three.

00:16:47.960 And that's another clip that was also weird, where he talks about the fact that, well, the emergency act only impacted certain people.

00:16:55.080 And then he goes into grocery money that he didn't want it to impact.

00:16:58.660 Let's just take a look at what he had to say to that effect.

00:17:00.860 All right.

00:17:04.440 Clip number three.

00:17:05.720 Police witnesses who've said they saw your measures work because they heard of people getting calls back from North Battleford or whatever.

00:17:23.100 Come home.

00:17:24.020 The accounts frozen and I can't buy groceries, right?

00:17:27.440 The police saw that as your measures working because they were affecting people who had nothing to do with the protest other than that they were family members.

00:17:37.720 So, and I put it to you that you must have realized that would be one of the effects of freezing the accounts in the way that they were.

00:17:44.180 When we, when we, certainly when we developed the policy, we were focusing on those people involved in illegal activities.

00:17:53.240 And certainly in our discussion, daily discussions with the CBA and, you know, we had discussion with the RCMP, certainly these issues came to life.

00:18:02.680 That was not the focus of the policy development.

00:18:05.900 We understand that that was maybe some people were impacted, but we had discussions in the application to say our focus was certainly on these people involved in the activity.

00:18:19.040 So what sort of an answer even is that?

00:18:21.480 That wasn't even a direct answer.

00:18:23.140 So that's something that they admitted that they would probably would, it might happen.

00:18:26.820 It was a potentiality and they still didn't put any like foolproof measures into preventing something like that.

00:18:32.800 These were people that weren't even there and they were just associated to it, like the guilty by association.

00:18:37.720 So your mom goes to the convoy and then three cousins down in another province, they can't pay their rent or buy groceries or see to their basic human needs because the government didn't do their job correctly.

00:18:47.820 So the federal government to be very specific.

00:18:50.060 And these are the people, face your eyes, that created those policies that allowed them to be able to freeze bank accounts in the first place.

00:18:56.600 It's one thing to hear about the people that create the policies, but it's one thing to put a face to them.

00:19:00.900 Which is why I got saucy today, for sure.

00:19:04.220 Well, I think there's, and we're going to have a second guest afterwards coming on, Tom Arraso, who disaffected him directly.

00:19:10.760 And he'll be able to talk to us a little bit more about that.

00:19:13.140 But just because you disagreed with the government, the government decided that it was okay to just shut you off and take your money and freeze it.

00:19:21.860 Not take your money, freeze your assets, freeze your bank account and affect your whole family.

00:19:25.680 Yeah, well, one thing I did want to say is that they were clear and very open about them directing this policy, but then they wouldn't take any responsibility for it, which was also very concerning.

00:19:37.400 They said, well, it was on the banks.

00:19:38.880 And then even their government lawyer at the end was like, well, the banks could have called you, couldn't it?

00:19:44.020 If the RCMP is sending you a document directing you to close people's bank accounts, are you going to call, I don't even know who you, who do you call?

00:19:54.500 Do you call the deputy minister himself?

00:19:57.320 Do you call the RCMP?

00:19:58.460 Excuse me, I have a quick question about this document you sent me.

00:20:01.860 Like, you know, if the RCMP is taking the authority and enforcing these things, you think that they're doing it on good reason.

00:20:11.620 And if they're expecting people to question it, the rule of law today is very, has been undermined by our own government.

00:20:20.760 And that was Brendan Miller's first question to Jody Thomas today.

00:20:25.160 No, well, that's a good segue to Jody Thomas.

00:20:30.000 What's her role in the government? 0.99

00:20:31.260 I had some issues understanding what exactly was her position in the government.

00:20:34.980 So, yeah, it's a bit hard to understand.

00:20:37.080 And I think that if we don't understand the role that government plays, I think there is a problem.

00:20:42.300 Like from what I'm saying, sitting through the last how many ever weeks it is, is we are so incredibly over-regulated.

00:20:48.900 I'm just going to use that now.

00:20:50.120 So, she's with the Privy Council office and her role is National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister.

00:20:57.000 This is not an office or a role that was created by Parliament.

00:21:01.620 There's no legislation giving them any authority.

00:21:05.480 So, it's a very good question who she is.

00:21:08.220 It's uncertain, and not only who she is, but the demand for authority she had in her evidence today.

00:21:16.200 She was, you know, she said, I need more authority.

00:21:19.420 I need more intelligence.

00:21:20.900 I need more ability to control people.

00:21:23.820 That was how her testimony was coming across today to me.

00:21:27.060 And who is she and why is she doing her job? 1.00

00:21:30.080 That's a question I think that Canadians really need to look into a bit more.

00:21:33.880 Well, and I'm not even sure she knows what her job is, actually, because she didn't even find out about the Hendon reports until today's proceedings as she watched the earlier testimonies of today.

00:21:45.720 What is going on with that?

00:21:47.720 How is there – these are people that are supposed to have an intelligence position.

00:21:51.780 She's advisor of national security.

00:21:53.900 She reports directly to PM Justin Trudeau.

00:21:56.840 Like, where is the missing gap?

00:21:59.160 She kept on talking about that there was an issue with the framework within this country regarding the intelligence and type of data collected.

00:22:05.720 She gave multiple references towards how, again, people need to be monitored more, in essence, and how there is this big disconnect and really overstepping because there are already measures in place where we have intelligent agencies, primarily, the CSIS?

00:22:23.080 CSIS?

00:22:23.720 What does it stand for again?

00:22:25.740 Canadian Security Intelligence Services.

00:22:27.800 Exactly.

00:22:28.220 That's what it is.

00:22:29.380 So they're the largest moving body in Canada to provide intelligence on matters like this.

00:22:35.700 And again, I will reiterate, they are the only opinion that matters when it comes to providing that intelligence.

00:22:40.720 And it was ignored.

00:22:41.820 So the fact that this woman could stand there and demand more, more responsibility, more – I mean, she's – like, she came across as the literal interpretation of the overhanging federal arm. 0.86

00:22:56.040 And where people – where people's actual privacy is concerned.

00:23:00.400 That's pretty scary to me.

00:23:01.560 So let's just talk about the information from CSIS that was ignored.

00:23:05.200 Because what they said is they do not investigate Canadians that are taking part in a lawful protest.

00:23:10.700 Because why would you be surveilling Canadians that are being lawful?

00:23:16.160 That's what she wanted to do.

00:23:18.140 That's the information she didn't like.

00:23:19.920 That's the disconnect she found with CSIS.

00:23:22.580 And moreover, CSIS added that if you do more government overreach, people will become more disenfranchised because they believe the system is broken.

00:23:31.380 So the fact that this individual is not taking the advice of CSIS, and there's good reason that CSIS is saying what they're doing, there is a huge problem that – why – what is it that you want from – like, do you just want such an obedient society in Canada not to have an opinion, not to think outside the box, just to – like, I don't know what it is that you're looking for.

00:23:56.840 Because she's basically looking for surveillance on Canadians that are being lawful.

00:24:02.480 No, 100%.

00:24:03.800 And as you just put it, I mean, I doubt that unless CSIS just has, like, an inherent desire to want to watch Canadians play in bouncy castles and have a real good party and just literally a hoot and a half out on the streets of Ottawa, then, yeah, really, like, what a horrible thing for them.

00:24:23.680 Like, it's a terrible use of their ability to, like, provide surveillance because, I mean, it was even regarded in that document that Brendan Miller brought up during his cross-examination.

00:24:34.160 So maybe we could throw it to that clip.

00:24:36.040 I'm not sure which one it would be, but –

00:24:37.380 Well, before throwing to any clip, let's take a look once again at Brendan Miller's cross-examination, clip number seven of Jodie Thomas, just to give yours a little idea of who she is and what she looks like.

00:24:46.960 Because we've been talking for a little while, and people don't necessarily know who Jodie Thomas is.

00:24:52.380 Let's take a look at clip number seven, part of Brendan Miller's cross-examination of this pretty important witness.

00:24:59.700 Right. I understand.

00:25:01.220 So you're saying that the CSIS Act and Section 2 of the CSIS Act, which is incorporated into the Emergencies Act, means something different when you're looking at it.

00:25:15.080 No, that's not what I've said.

00:25:17.120 So what do you mean?

00:25:18.120 I mean that in terms of the Emergency Act, the Governor and Council can consider more broadly than the intelligence collected by CSIS in determining a national security threat or situation or a public order emergency.

00:25:36.080 I understand that. But you do agree that the four grounds of types of threats in Section 2 of the CSIS Act are what is in fact required to have been found?

00:25:50.920 No, I don't agree.

00:25:52.140 So it can go beyond what the Act says, which is a threat to the security of Canada.

00:25:57.380 There are other definitions of threats to the security of Canada, as we saw earlier.

00:26:01.460 Right, but not in the legislation.

00:26:03.060 The Emergency Act allows for the Governor and Council to make a broad decision about public order emergencies.

00:26:10.500 That's not what it says, but you can agree with me.

00:26:13.640 I think that this is an argument to have with lawyers.

00:26:18.200 Good thing we have one.

00:26:19.440 I want to talk, I want to talk, I want to talk.

00:26:20.780 I'm so glad you brought up that clip because it is so hard to watch somebody change the definition.

00:26:27.300 They said they don't agree with the definition of the law.

00:26:30.900 Then when you challenge them on that definition, she reverts to, you could have that debate with my lawyers.

00:26:37.040 I am not a lawyer.

00:26:37.800 So you can't change the definition if you can't justify that change in the definition, especially when it has something to do with something this important, like national threat to the national security of Canada.

00:26:53.120 You can't just willy-nilly change that definition and expect nobody to question you on it when you're the security advisor to the Prime Minister of Canada.

00:27:03.360 Well, yeah, and not just, you can't expect people not to question you.

00:27:06.780 It's like you can't even answer the question yourself.

00:27:08.820 So how do you expect for someone to believe, trust, or back up what you have to say at all when you have no retort other than, ask my lawyer, because I will not have this argument with you?

00:27:18.440 And this is what I was saying before, if this is what these government officials think are good answers at the inquiry, I think they will be sorely wrong.

00:27:28.520 You're coming to an inquiry, you're meant to provide information, and this is another thing Brendan Miller had to do today with the finance panel.

00:27:35.640 He had to explain to them, you understand we're here to talk about the circumstances that justified the invocation of the Emergencies Act.

00:27:43.000 That's why we're here.

00:27:43.760 We're not here to have a fun time at this commission.

00:27:47.040 It's about gaining information, and if you have no information, this is not a good thing for you.

00:27:52.420 No, 100%.

00:27:53.480 It's always changing blame, switching the blame from one person to the other.

00:27:58.940 All right, Eva, I'd love to have you on more, but we have another lawyer in the room who's ready to come on the show.

00:28:04.840 Any last words for us about the commission?

00:28:07.300 Anything that we missed?

00:28:08.960 Any relevant detail or something?

00:28:11.920 Any relevant comment?

00:28:12.920 No, but again, I don't want to leave it on a negative note.

00:28:17.040 I think that what I hope this commission is doing and this inquiry is opening up the eyes of Canadians.

00:28:23.020 It's certainly opened up my eyes to be way more involved in politics and make sure that we're holding these people to account.

00:28:30.400 So the words came up today, hold the line, that rhetoric, that violent rhetoric.

00:28:35.260 What it is, is hold the government to account, and I am going to be asking all of Canada, we really need to do that moving forward because this is not a good place.

00:28:45.740 Right, totally, Eva.

00:28:46.700 Well, thank you so much for coming on.

00:28:48.400 I love that.

00:28:49.400 Let's throw to a quick ad break, and when we come back, we'll have a second lawyer on the live stream. 0.96

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00:29:58.960 welcome back rebel news live once again if you want to get your tickets you can go to rebel

00:30:18.680 news live.com to meet tamara leach and other great uh people either this week or next weekend

00:30:25.840 in calgary all right we have on uh hatim is that how we pronounce your name yeah hatim hatim yeah a

00:30:33.180 new lawyer um a new face on the show basically not a new uh new lawyer a new face on the show that's

00:30:39.560 joining us tonight he cross-examined the first panel of witnesses this morning um from the finance

00:30:46.820 finance ministry finance department can you tell us a little bit more about yourself

00:30:50.680 uh sure i'm a lawyer with the justice center for constitutional freedoms uh i've been with them

00:30:56.520 for a year now dealing with uh i mean mostly covid stuff has kind of been the big thing but free

00:31:02.180 speech cases as well yeah so you were granting that you were granted standing in the emergency

00:31:06.680 inquiry alongside tdf is that right yeah we share standing uh it's the justice center the democracy

00:31:11.860 fund and citizens for freedom great and what what is your main takeaway if you could summarize give

00:31:16.820 us a quick rundown of everything that happens today we already heard eva say but from your

00:31:21.000 perspective what was the most important thing we heard today what was your general impression of how

00:31:25.120 it went today i think the biggest thing we heard was from jody thomas who's uh the prime minister's

00:31:30.560 national security intelligence advisor so so far she is the strongest support we've heard that there's

00:31:37.120 actually a national security threat and that the emergency act was met and yet she under cross

00:31:42.280 examination by my colleague rob kittredge agreed there was no serious violence and although she

00:31:48.080 she argued about the definition being met when when it's broken down and it's actually put to her

00:31:54.040 she agrees that uh all the components weren't there well because it's one thing to claim violence is

00:32:00.080 occurring and then it's another to back that up and have actual like evidence i see that we have a clip

00:32:05.740 here that we can go to right now and we can take a look at that oh okay well never mind we're not

00:32:11.460 going to do that but we can get to this later well no and it's exactly that when you are proposing

00:32:16.620 that something as serious as violence took place and then you can't actually give proof tangible proof

00:32:22.500 tangible evidence because the narrative becomes broken down that easily what's your opinion on stuff

00:32:28.100 like that we've been seeing that a lot right like it's crazy yeah i think there was a powerful moment

00:32:32.140 where she was asked if there was serious violence she said it depends on your definition

00:32:36.020 violence was continuous throughout the protest so then uh rob asked her okay well what was the

00:32:42.160 violence yeah and then she she resorted back to honking fumes uh you know maybe some people got 1.00

00:32:48.860 harassed in the street but it's certainly not a national security threat definitely not and it's

00:32:53.720 the same rhetoric that we've heard it's all the microaggressions of um the supposed residents

00:32:58.700 where i know some people are mad but also keep in mind that hundreds and hundreds of residents

00:33:03.500 in ottawa actually housed uh the truckers and the supporters and provided them food and clothing

00:33:08.680 and gave them a place to sleep so we're not talking to any of those people right but you know microaggressions

00:33:13.800 are a thing right no 100 and you know we don't have the clip of your cross-examination of the witnesses

00:33:19.200 this morning can you give us once again a quick rundown of how that went uh what basically was the

00:33:24.000 main takeaway from that cross-examination by you specifically yeah so uh the big point that i think i was

00:33:29.640 getting at and that i think came out was that what exactly made this behavior something that should

00:33:36.240 be that should make people subject to having their accounts frozen and so the witnesses talked about

00:33:42.200 the idea that oh well you know what there's a gap in the legislation it didn't apply to

00:33:46.880 so that's what we did yeah but i i think it's important to clarify that that's not the only gap i mean

00:33:51.800 the donated funds would go through a bank account anyways the real issue is that the the the proceeds

00:33:59.280 of crime money laundering and financing terrorism act doesn't apply because there was no terrorism

00:34:04.340 there was no money laundering and they weren't the proceeds of crime what made this conduct illegal was

00:34:09.460 the fact that the government declared it illegal yeah and so i i you know i asked the panel about

00:34:14.400 this is a new area of conduct that was defined by these regulations and the response was well but

00:34:21.140 it was illegal conduct well what made it illegal the regulations made it illegal yeah the emergency

00:34:24.800 that were invoked right after you said it was illegal right that's right um talking about you

00:34:29.320 know bank account frozen and um well go fund me funds frozen and donations funds frozen let's take a

00:34:35.320 look at clip number four uh where it's basically deputy minister of finance michael sabbia who said to

00:34:41.260 the commission that there were quote-unquote no accounts frozen very weird to hear that take a look at

00:34:47.000 that those who had their account seized and subsequently um those accounts were released to them

00:34:52.960 nonetheless have had lingering effects on their credit history because of mispayments but you're

00:35:00.920 talking about people here that were involved in unlawful activities well well ma'am that's not true

00:35:07.400 i mean i i think you you've just said yourself that it was donors to our knowledge no donors were

00:35:14.000 affected by this uh the order there were no accounts frozen uh to the best of our knowledge

00:35:19.900 based on the information that we've received there were no accounts uh from donors that were frozen

00:35:25.120 and so and so and and the long-term effects on credit histories

00:35:29.320 that's not something that concerns you at all i think that's i think that's an issue for um

00:35:38.480 i i think that's an issue for the financial institutions and how the financial institutions

00:35:45.140 administer these things so you know you work in finance and uh it's your job supposedly to know

00:35:53.580 these things and again it's that hot potato that we've seen that's just been thrown in another

00:35:58.040 direction because no one wants to take responsibility for the part that they played in the invocation the

00:36:03.260 unjust invocation of the emergencies act i might add what was your takeaway from that like what was it

00:36:08.600 to we were all there in the commission today but to hear that again what do you think of it well there

00:36:13.920 was a you know a big issue that that came up under a few different cross-examinations about the issue

00:36:18.760 of freezing donors accounts well they say that was never our intention but they're the ones who who put

00:36:24.600 the the input to actually get these orders drafted and the way they're drafted they apply to donors and

00:36:30.480 and even more than that they put a duty on banks to make sure that they have no dealings with donors

00:36:36.780 so that and on top of that you know there's a bit of a contradiction there because he said that

00:36:42.780 uh earlier in their testimony they said they didn't get specific information on bank accounts being

00:36:47.400 frozen they got some general stats but they don't know individual people's accounts were frozen

00:36:51.040 so he's saying that they don't know of any donors accounts were frozen but they they wouldn't know

00:36:55.940 that anyways because i mean you called it a hot potato and that's a good image because you know

00:37:00.660 they made the regulations they hand that power up to the rcmp the rcmp makes a list of people they hand

00:37:05.420 that off to the banks yeah and then the banks are responsible for the last step and each you know

00:37:10.720 the art between the rcmp and the department of finance each of them can say it wasn't me exactly

00:37:16.060 and you know there was actually a document that was brought up today as well um it was what the rcmp

00:37:21.600 actually used to be able to conduct their investigations and to be able to write down the relevant

00:37:25.240 relevant information to be able to vet these people prior to their accounts being frozen

00:37:29.860 and we don't even know who made the document because no one would take responsibility in fact

00:37:34.760 all three people in that panel actually said that they had never seen that document before

00:37:39.140 and they're the ones that created the legislation to actually be able to freeze people's accounts i mean

00:37:44.380 um miss jock in particular i found her if i can be so bold as to say definitely the weak link in that 1.00

00:37:51.600 panel of three because anything that she couldn't actually retort her or dance around as well as the 0.88

00:37:56.540 others we saw sabia come in and say for each and every single time redirecting her questions and so

00:38:01.660 she is the one primarily that deals with creating those policies and the fact that her answer was like 0.65

00:38:07.240 i have no idea what's going on what is your job what is your job man i think i think that's the whole

00:38:12.960 thing this whole point of the inquiry move away the responsibility from yourself to someone else

00:38:18.380 the department of finance ministry of finance said it wasn't our responsibility it was the private

00:38:24.620 banks it was the private entities it wasn't it wasn't us it was interact it wasn't but you're the

00:38:30.180 one who enacts the law in order to allow that to happen i mean am i wrong no no yeah i think uh i think

00:38:37.660 that's it and it's i mean part of it's just figuring out who did what and because there's so many people

00:38:43.200 that were involved in the various decisions that were made and each person can limit themselves to

00:38:50.460 their little piece and then absolve themselves a responsibility i mean one of the issues that was

00:38:55.460 coming up around the uh the advice about whether or not this was a national security threat is that each

00:39:02.200 department can say we were asked what powers we would use if the emergencies act gets invoked

00:39:07.900 but it it seems that very few if any people were actually tasked with the big question should we

00:39:14.220 invoke the emergencies act yeah exactly anything else to add there well i think we pretty much summed up

00:39:20.860 how it went for the morning for the first panel of witnesses and moving on to jody thomas now the

00:39:27.060 second witness of the day let's start off with a clip a clip number let's go with clip number 10

00:39:32.820 um the commission quoted a transcript of the understandings from the national security

00:39:37.400 intelligence uh highlighting that jody thomas uh highlighting to jody thomas sorry that she 0.91

00:39:42.380 quote-unquote learned from the coups arrest from the media and not the rcmp so this high

00:39:48.000 level government official took some of her information instead of going with the rcmp

00:39:53.060 from the media very very interesting intelligence agent huh yeah clarified that neither you nor your

00:39:59.940 staff received sit sit reps so situation reports project reports or other forms of information

00:40:05.320 directly and as you mentioned today you hadn't heard of profit project tendon specifically and if

00:40:11.240 we just scroll down a little bit it also says there that you learned of the coups arrests through the

00:40:15.500 media not directly from the rcmp and just scrolling down a little bit again uh sharing among all three

00:40:22.760 levels levels of government and information and intelligence in relation to the convoy could have been

00:40:27.560 better so i'll just ask you to elaborate a little bit on where you think the deficiencies

00:40:32.560 are and what may maybe can be or should be done about them because as you know the commission has a

00:40:38.060 sort of a forward-looking mandate as well as a backward-looking one um so i think when we are um looking

00:40:45.640 at uh primarily open source information as opposed to investigation specific information so let's draw a line

00:40:53.220 there uh the rcmp is investigating person x for having done something criminal as the nsia should i

00:41:00.260 receive that no

00:41:01.260 hmm what'd you make of this i mean in a sense i think she has a good point like she like so during

00:41:10.620 brendan miller's cross-examination he he got an important point where she her position is not made by

00:41:17.100 uh an act of parliament it's it's a it's made by a policy of the prime minister right uh her job is

00:41:23.480 basically to assemble the information that's coming from the different agencies and funnel that up to

00:41:28.560 the prime minister but where that becomes an issue is where she's the strongest support for the 1.00

00:41:33.260 emergencies act and so it really does matter what information she had available to her and in this

00:41:39.420 case it seems like i mean there's a limitation to what she's getting from the rcmp other than that

00:41:44.940 kind of her biggest source of information would be something like csis who we we've heard we've seen 0.84

00:41:49.760 from the documents we haven't heard from them yet we've seen from the documents they don't think

00:41:54.220 that there was a security threat uh to this there's a threat to the security of canada present

00:41:59.780 and it's it's under the csis act that that definition exists for the emergency stack so they're

00:42:04.860 presumably the experts on the issue yeah you know i was trying to find a document unfortunately i can't

00:42:08.800 find it but it is true that earlier today we saw a document where csis said that according

00:42:14.900 to their view the freedom convoy was not a national security issue and my question that i had for

00:42:23.600 that uh that witness jody thomas was if csis is saying that why are you saying otherwise why are you

00:42:30.980 completely disregarding what they are saying i think i think your testimony answered why she doesn't

00:42:36.100 seem to value csis's intelligence a lot she didn't seem to value csis a lot you know when she was talking 0.93

00:42:41.180 about the reasons to invoke the emergencies act when she was talking about threats to national

00:42:45.340 security she would say that section two of the csis act wasn't the only thing that we should rely on

00:42:50.240 even though that's literally what the ea is based on section two of the csis act and whether or not

00:42:56.220 we had other options apart from that i don't think that she valued csis intelligence a lot i mean

00:43:02.380 well really i just think again it speaks to her position i mean if you were unaware or you didn't

00:43:08.760 see my live tweets today um she came upon that position with zero prior police experience um unlike

00:43:16.440 the people before her that filled that position as well um and she started two weeks before the convoy

00:43:22.800 so you have a woman that is kind of learning as she goes and that was something that she actually 0.98

00:43:29.560 confirmed during her testimony as well um that she just kind of learned as she went but as her title

00:43:35.120 would portray advisor to national security that's a really big job that's a really big role so i mean

00:43:41.640 again i think it's pretty simple why she couldn't fill that position why she couldn't um trust csis 0.92

00:43:46.940 when csis has been around for how long and you've had that position for nine months it's pretty apparent

00:43:52.700 to me she's incompetent this is trudeau's canada um and we just need a reshuffle yeah a bit no totally

00:43:59.120 all right well thanks so much for coming on today um any last words for us about once again you're

00:44:04.720 the anything that we should take away from today's proceedings at the commission uh i'd say optimism i

00:44:10.600 think the the inquiry is doing a really good job at revealing the truth and getting to the bottom of

00:44:14.300 things and it's uh it's very illuminating having the people who are at the center of this whole event

00:44:19.540 that took canada and the world uh by storm and uh having them answer questions under cross-examination

00:44:25.180 absolutely yeah thank you so much for being here appreciate it and if you guys want to see more of

00:44:29.600 his cross-examination you can always tune in uh on our daily live stream well where we basically look

00:44:35.780 at how all of the commission unedited all right let's go to a quick ad break and when we come back

00:44:40.900 we will welcome tom morato freedom convoy according to his linkedin profile intern

00:44:46.440 on the live stream to talk to us about what he starts there let's take a quick break

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00:45:44.720 all right everyone we've got freedom convoy i always call him an intern because on his

00:46:03.660 linkedin profile it's written intern right next to freedom convoy but i guess key persona key figure

00:46:10.440 tom morato tom how are you doing there's only a 60 chance you're right

00:46:14.320 according to the opps analysis yeah exactly i think there's yeah it's better to say there's a

00:46:19.680 60 chance that people will follow you and agree with you right i think that's what it is

00:46:24.320 at tom for people just tuning in now for the first time can you tell us a little bit more about

00:46:28.480 yourself oh boy um i'm a co-host on rebel news uh as of the last five or six weeks and you're a really

00:46:40.220 good opening act i just want to say that um no i i for people that don't know me i did participate uh

00:46:48.680 with the convoy last january february and uh my my role during the convoy did evolve uh from starting

00:46:57.940 off uh with the intent just to deliver soup that's the inside joke uh which turned out to be doing some

00:47:04.580 uh some media stuff but also participating in some of the negotiations with the the city of ottawa and

00:47:11.740 also uh spending a lot of time talking to the police both the ops and the opp yeah i think i i saw you

00:47:19.180 understand basically almost all dates they're watching the commission i think that you follow

00:47:22.760 pretty closely um as someone watching it what was your general view of what happened how are you

00:47:28.580 feeling looking at this this show going on you know i i have to say i think that was the hardest day

00:47:34.260 uh that i've actually sat through um i first and foremost i i listened to these people you know the

00:47:43.080 the deputy minister of finance um the national security advisor uh to justin trudeau and i listened

00:47:50.660 to these people and i'm not sure they're talking about canadian tax-paying voters or if they're

00:47:58.500 talking about uh enemies of the state um in a different country like i i i can't comprehend

00:48:06.100 for the life of me why week after week we've been here in this commission and we have always heard the

00:48:14.020 evidence and the testimony from various law enforcement as well as thesis and yet these people

00:48:19.740 continuously from the political class and the political appointees get up there day after day after

00:48:26.240 day and just lie about the same exact talking points it is just uh it's hard to digest uh it's hard to

00:48:36.400 accept the fact that they're actually talking about canadian citizens um you know it's you can see their

00:48:43.440 disdain for people that have wrong think that they disagree with um and you know an important thing is

00:48:51.700 in the testimony today yet again another high-ranking set of government officials still still can't tell us

00:49:00.420 when the convoy protest became illegal or why well the only thing that could make it illegal is if

00:49:10.820 i had the emergency that was enacted there was no riot act before that um do you mirror some

00:49:15.940 feelings about what went on today oh for sure you know and i totally agree with you i think it's

00:49:23.540 i forget during this proceeding exactly why we're here most of the time because a lot of the things

00:49:28.900 that we talk about aren't very relevant anymore at least in my opinion like yeah we're getting down to

00:49:34.600 the bottom of it but again there's no evidence suggesting that it was ever necessary to invoke the

00:49:39.180 emergencies act so you're right it sounds like this prosecution um on these canadians on canadian

00:49:45.900 patriots on canadian soil is getting to the point where i really think that all of these high-ranking

00:49:53.620 government officials so to speak just live in their own bubbles and they have no actual grasp of the

00:49:59.900 reality around them and that they just have people talking in their ears feeding them their information and

00:50:05.260 i think that those people have just they've sort of allowed those people to project their own realities

00:50:11.260 because i don't think that you can actually sit there and provide a testimony so false so many

00:50:17.500 times and have the same rhetoric the same dialogue like i know that lawyers go through um like a little bit

00:50:23.900 of a preparation with their clients both beforehand but when you have so many pieces of the federal arm

00:50:29.580 or the federal government so to speak um that just say the same things they use the same words it's um

00:50:36.940 it's frightening to think that we live in a country where the people that are supposed to protect us

00:50:42.060 haven't done a thing to uphold that in the last two years put it put it into another context too for

00:50:49.580 the entire time of covet none of these people lost their jobs exactly none of these people were

00:50:56.060 prevented from traveling none of these people were prevented from any of the freedoms that they had

00:51:01.740 prior to covet they still went about their their daily lives in this country and last april the federal

00:51:09.340 government gave themselves a twenty percent taxpayer funded raise they decided for themselves that they

00:51:15.580 were entitled to a twenty percent raise last april and what did the rest of the uh you know those who

00:51:24.540 chose not to partake in a medical experiment what did they have to endure we don't hear about that

00:51:30.700 we we talk about in this commission poor ottawa poor ottawa poor residents well guess what you know

00:51:36.700 before eva and keith went in for the horn injunction they had an they had a hundred affidavits from local

00:51:43.260 residents saying that they supported the convoy so they went in right we have local support many people

00:51:49.500 in the city of ottawa that i personally met during the convoy supported the convoy and they were all

00:51:54.380 from the city of ottawa we have a very small handful of people that i'm sorry but poor you you had to

00:52:01.180 endure and guess what every year in this city you've got um festivals of varying kinds you've got canada

00:52:08.380 day celebrations i think there's a lose fest here that goes on for weeks like there's a lot of activity

00:52:13.420 in the city but i'm sorry that you were inconvenienced for a couple of horns for a couple of days

00:52:19.100 oh boy we better we better you know have the war measures act you know 2.0 invoked

00:52:25.260 to clear people out well it's actually a couple of days that you just said i think a lot of people

00:52:29.660 seize the convoy something that went down for four weeks and that's right but the honking was only

00:52:35.820 there for the first few days because afterwards he had an injunction that's right um and just to go

00:52:40.060 back to today uh to today's proceedings at the commission one of the most interesting moments

00:52:45.020 that we saw from the commission today was when brandon miller ended his cross-examination of the

00:52:51.100 second witness of the jody thomas is clip 11 and he asked an extremely relevant question at the end

00:52:57.340 in all fairness to jody thomas she was actually providing yes or no answers yes she would go on

00:53:03.020 she would ramble for a while but she would always say yes or no right at least 90 of the time she would

00:53:08.940 still say yes or no and this no that she gave at the end was extremely relevant what if they just got

00:53:16.300 one of your position and left it to the director of cesis to do what you do so the director of cesis is

00:53:24.460 not the only person who is responsible for security in this country that's number one you can certainly

00:53:30.700 make that recommendation to the governor and council if it's useful to you but there are more people than

00:53:35.500 him involved in assessing national security in the in this country but it's nothing passed by parliament

00:53:42.780 right parliament the pretty council office is an established uh office that is the essentially the

00:53:51.260 prime minister's department we coordinate information we challenge we provide policy advice to the prime

00:53:58.140 minister and i am part of that mechanism i understand that but you can agree that parliament has given

00:54:04.780 you no mandate to do that with respect to intelligence i don't agree with how you framed it parliament

00:54:11.500 so i don't agree with the basic premise of your um challenge well here you go yes or no does has

00:54:19.100 parliament via statute given you the national security advisor and and the privy council authority to

00:54:27.580 collect and then analyze intelligence uh the foreign intelligence and assessment group is a long-standing

00:54:34.620 group that no parliament hasn't given it authority but it exists and it continues

00:54:41.660 exactly she was not giving authority to do such a thing so if she wasn't given authority to do such a 0.93

00:54:47.500 thing why didn't she rely on the agencies like cesis that had authority to do such a thing no 1.00

00:54:54.220 um well yeah the clip explains it perfectly i mean she kind of she dug that hole herself brendan was like

00:54:59.660 here's the shovel and she was like absolutely let me get to work on that show you another thing that i don't

00:55:04.300 know and that i'm incompetent for um i just love how he just closes his laptop prematurely because he

00:55:10.300 knows exactly what they're gonna say like he picks and chooses his moments um yeah that's all i have

00:55:16.220 to say apart from brendan it was really hard to watch again to be honest well i mean you you break it

00:55:21.580 down in a in another way you know she she talks about uh foreign intelligence gathering and analysis and

00:55:29.420 all that kind of stuff but he was really trying to get at what about domestic and her response really

00:55:35.980 from from what i was listening to i was kind of surprised she's like well i'm actually trying to get

00:55:40.780 more power and control to do domestic stuff right and um you know but he said well you actually don't have

00:55:49.340 any authority to do what you're doing anyway uh that's falls under the purview of cesus and what i

00:55:55.740 found even more interesting was when they were talking about section two of the cesus act she

00:56:04.380 really challenged brendan on his interpretation of the thing and said that cesus has a very narrow scope

00:56:12.460 for doing for looking at that and it's like it's kind of there in black and white it either is or it

00:56:19.180 isn't yeah uh you can't kind of say that it's not and he went through the entire uh law enforcement

00:56:26.620 intelligence and cesus apparatus you know rcmp uh cesus um uh the the comms people the uh the signal

00:56:36.300 intelligence people um and and even he didn't even mention the opp but you have all these intelligence

00:56:42.620 people and she says well they're various inputs they're just inputs they don't you know but i

00:56:47.900 would think that the the head of the spy agency for this country would probably be a vitally important

00:56:54.300 and weighted heavily intelligence input i know it was very interesting because she kept challenging

00:56:59.660 miller's interpretation of the emergency act in section two of the cesus act but as soon as she was

00:57:05.100 asked a question that according to her a lawyer would be better suited for to answer

00:57:10.940 at that time she was a lawyer at that time she couldn't provide any legal understanding of anything

00:57:16.300 and most importantly you know what she couldn't provide anything intelligible that's exactly it's

00:57:21.820 not your jurisdiction lady i don't care what justin trudeau tells you so just stay in your lane 1.00

00:57:25.980 that's all i have to say yeah and just just to end it on that one last clip clip number eight

00:57:31.180 uh once again from brendan miller's cross-examination of jody thomas this witness that we just saw um

00:57:37.980 brendan miller went hard hard on this lady sorry and i think afterwards when he saw the justice center

00:57:44.380 of constitutional constitutional freedom lawyer uh rob kidridge wasn't asking the exact question that he

00:57:50.620 wanted him to ask he stood up walk over and whisper a question in his ear and let's take a look to

00:57:56.940 at clip number eight yeah i've never seen any we've all been there we heard from every law enforcement

00:58:04.380 official uh as well as we have these statements from cesus and evidence uh that they didn't have

00:58:10.860 reasonable suspicion but any of this was taking place so i take it that you can agree with me that

00:58:18.060 you didn't have any evidence with you before cabinet or even considerate of any espionage or sabotage against

00:58:23.660 canada that is detrimental to the interest of canada activities directed towards or in support

00:58:28.140 of such espionage or sabotage right that's been discussed yes right and so that there was no

00:58:33.740 evidence of that that you considered no in your assessment and you could agree with me that there's

00:58:39.020 no evidence of foreign influenced activities within or related to canada that are detrimental to the

00:58:44.380 interests of canada are condestine or deceptive or involve a threat to a per to any person correct

00:58:50.620 there were threats to people right by email and twitter right um i would submit that in the social

00:59:01.420 media era you cannot ignore threats against officials and public um office holders just because they are on

00:59:11.100 social media that would be inexcusably negligent right but that's up to the police to deal with or is that

00:59:17.260 a national emergency it depends on the situation in which in the context in which those threats arrive

00:59:25.820 i highly suggest that everyone go online write cc act section two and read what a threat to national

00:59:37.980 security is take a look at that you'll actually be able to hear what she's saying right here does not corroborate

00:59:43.900 what section two of the ccs act actually is and that goes once against my point that she doesn't

00:59:49.340 seem to value ccs to last she prefers to do her own research her own investigation even though that's not 0.96

00:59:54.860 her mandate that she just admitted in the in the clip that we just saw and disregards ccs intelligence

01:00:00.540 last words to you celine then tom and then we'll wrap that up um i just i share tom's sentiment uh today

01:00:07.020 was per like particularly hard to to sit through um specifically this morning listening to the the

01:00:13.260 three deputy finance ministers um but i feel like i was revived after brendan miller cross-examined him

01:00:19.900 and then particularly in the clip that we just watched i just it just it was very uplifting you know

01:00:25.740 again to hear to hear these people who don't really even know a whole heck of a lot about their own job i

01:00:32.140 mean i don't expect them to know a lot about what actually went on when the convoy was here about

01:00:36.460 any of the blockades so i guess it's just that uh yeah i want to end it on something optimistic as

01:00:43.420 well so i think that this definitely has been um it's opened a lot of eyes for canadians for myself

01:00:50.060 as well i definitely share that sentiment um i think this is why as a younger person i can speak to the

01:00:55.820 fact that um they don't really do anything in schools to primarily usher people that are young to

01:01:00.780 get into politics or to be interested in politics in fact i can say i was deterred from them at a very

01:01:05.660 young age uh because they made it so heinous and hard to understand when judging from what i see in

01:01:11.820 this room uh the commission actually to be more specific it's very simple and i would usher anyone

01:01:18.940 of any age but primarily if we have anyone of a younger audience if you're not sure about any of

01:01:24.700 these things do your research get involved make choices be able to like lend your voice towards a

01:01:29.980 side that's going to be able to project what you want to see go on in your country because

01:01:33.660 i don't think anyone likes what they're seeing right now and that goes for anyone regardless

01:01:37.980 of where you stand um in position to the convoy in ottawa so i'll pass it off to tom from there

01:01:43.020 all right well just before we get on to you tom earlier we saw one of the witness talk about the

01:01:48.060 fact that they didn't want the families of the people that got their assets frozen to be impacted i

01:01:54.060 know that your family was yes impacted by the fact that your assets were frozen so if you could also

01:01:59.260 just touch on that that would be great yeah so um one of my children has a very severe heart condition

01:02:06.460 um multiple open heart surgeries right needed medication my son you know he doesn't reside with me

01:02:16.380 and um during the uh emergency act when my bank accounts my credit cards everything that had my name

01:02:25.420 on it was frozen uh my credit card was on file with the pharmacy and so he couldn't get his heart

01:02:32.300 medication okay what did my son have to do with with the banks watched on ctv or global or one of these and then

01:02:40.860 decided that it would be okay for them to go after all of my financial assets those are my assets i earn

01:02:47.980 those and those are mine and here's the thing to this day there was never a warrant for my arrest i've

01:02:55.580 never been charged i've never been convicted i don't own a truck i didn't violate a horn uh injunction what

01:03:04.620 i did during the convoy was to try my best to work with law enforcement to make sure that that convoy was

01:03:14.540 responsible and safe and they decided that they didn't want to hear from canadians because as we said

01:03:24.780 it's still to this day we don't know when they determined that it was illegal or why or how they did

01:03:31.740 it they just say that it's illegal but they never really justified or proved that it was legal they

01:03:38.300 certainly have never met the threshold of section two of csis so how is it that now all of a sudden my

01:03:44.300 life's son or my my son's life is put in jeopardy and this is what every canadian in this country whether

01:03:50.540 you supported the convoy or not should know that if you disagree with this government right now they

01:03:56.220 will take extraordinary measures because now they've set the precedent to do it now they've

01:04:01.900 actually created this situation where the next time you you for example refuse to have sex with your

01:04:09.180 boss right this is what we're talking about it's not about covet this has always been about following

01:04:17.100 the law about informed consent and about your right to choose what is right for you in bodily autonomy

01:04:22.540 and you know they brought up the rule of law and brendan asked her what she meant by the rule of law

01:04:27.820 but here's the thing if you go against if you tell truth to power and you disagree with that

01:04:35.980 the onus now on the victim is to somehow be the one who corrects their behavior and i know it's a very crude

01:04:44.380 and disgusting comment about uh having sex with your boss but we're living in a world that if you don't 0.81

01:04:50.220 do what the authorities in this country tell you you're the one who are going to suffer for it

01:04:56.220 i lost my job because i questioned the mandates not because i refused to get it but because i

01:05:01.900 questioned it exactly this is the world we live in and this leadership starts at the top and it works

01:05:07.100 all the way down through this government and at every political level in this country

01:05:11.500 and we're in trouble we are desperately in this trouble and that's why we can't let it happen again as

01:05:17.580 canadians as a whole we have to stand together stand on guard for the yes i said that today when um

01:05:24.700 when the finance deputy ministers talked about how the canadian reputation was ruined with the us

01:05:30.460 um i just reminded people that um you know the past two years we didn't stand for a whole lot but it

01:05:36.860 was canadians that made this happen that brought the convoy together after the federal government locked

01:05:42.220 people down for almost two and a half years um in total convinced them that their friends families

01:05:50.060 and neighbors would get them sick so that they would be okay with locking themselves in their houses

01:05:55.820 and that's just to the degree that they went this time so just to retort what tom says what would

01:06:01.020 happen if we allowed them that ability again if we consented if we gave into the fear and the propaganda

01:06:05.820 that they spread not a whole lot of goods so yeah no definitely well thank you so much tom for coming

01:06:11.740 on tonight you also spoke about you know illegal everyone watching you had two homeworks tonight

01:06:17.740 go read section two of the css act online and also check out the riot act and check out what the

01:06:25.180 riot act does what is the purpose of the riot act and here you've got some interesting information

01:06:32.620 as well so section two of the css act and also the riot act go check that out tonight thank you to

01:06:37.260 everyone who's been joining us i know it's pretty late tonight thank you to the people behind the

01:06:41.260 camera thank you celine for being here today thank you eva thank you tom and we will see you all again

01:06:47.260 tomorrow all right see you thank you

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Rebel News Podcast - November 17, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 25 ｜ Deputy Finance Minister Testifies

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