Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission midway mark Rebel recap

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00:00:19.420 Wow, I love that intro, and I love the work that Rebel News has been doing

00:00:24.180 this past month at the Trucker Commission Inquiry into the Use of the Emergencies Act.

00:00:30.340 I am Ezra Levand. I'm the Rebel Commander. That's a fancy way of saying I'm the president of the company,

00:00:35.320 and I'm sitting in our world headquarters in Toronto, Canada, but the center of the action,

00:00:40.560 the center of gravity for the company this past month has been in Ottawa in an Airbnb that we've

00:00:48.700 rented for the duration of the inquiry, a month and a half. We found the closest Airbnb

00:00:53.920 to the actual commission building. It's so close. It's a quick walk there. There's also four

00:00:59.500 bedrooms there, so we can put our Rebel News staff there, and we've been rotating through journalists

00:01:05.540 covering the commission every single day, covering it on location, scrumming the witnesses,

00:01:12.300 and sometimes the lawyers as they come and go in sitting there, and of course, live tweeting the

00:01:18.420 proceedings, and then every night at 6 p.m. Eastern Time, 4 p.m. Mountain Time, we chew it over.

00:01:23.420 We talk about it, not just with the journalists, but with the experts, knowledgeable guests,

00:01:28.980 including some of the lawyers, some of the witnesses, some of the truckers. I'm very proud

00:01:33.640 of what we're doing, and by the way, we need your help. It's not cheap to set up this whole pop-up

00:01:38.360 studio office. If you can help us out, go to truckercommission.com. The Airbnb alone for a month

00:01:45.460 and a half is about 15 grand. I know that sounds like a lot of dough, but it's a large place,

00:01:50.460 it's perfectly located, so I hope you'll help us out. I'm very proud of the work done by our

00:01:56.380 journalists, and we've had a lot of different journalists rotate through. I was even there

00:01:59.800 one day. Let me introduce to you some more teammates who are on location. I see on the screen

00:02:06.660 now William Diaz Bertheon, who is one of the newest Rebels. He's actually based in Ottawa, and I would

00:02:12.960 say that he has been leading our coverage in the city, so grateful to have him. And you can see on the

00:02:18.420 screen now two Albertans who have been deputized to go to Ottawa. Everything's on the ground.

00:02:27.000 Celine Glass and Sidney Fazzard, who himself was embedded with the trucker boycott, trucker convoy

00:02:34.120 rather, at the Coutts border crossing in February. So what a pleasure to have three of my favorite

00:02:39.280 Rebels. Thanks, guys and gal.

00:02:40.660 Well, it's good to see you, too. Celine and Sid, nice to have you there. Well, William,

00:02:48.020 because you're based in Ottawa, and you actually live in the downtown, you have been covering this

00:02:54.400 literally every day. Before we get into the substance of it, tell me a little bit about

00:03:00.560 what it's like to cover it. I mean, the very first thing that comes to my mind, and I know this is

00:03:06.820 sort of an inside baseball thing, is that Rebel News has been officially accredited by this

00:03:12.500 commission of inquiry. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, 13 of our journalists, I might be wrong on that

00:03:17.080 number, have been accredited, including myself. And the commission has been very open. Members of the

00:03:23.180 public can go in. But in a way, members don't even have to go in because it's being live streamed in

00:03:29.360 French, in English. The documents are being put up on the website simultaneously. A couple days later,

00:03:36.300 written transcripts. I have to say this is a very user-friendly, transparent commission of inquiry.

00:03:43.240 I find that very comforting because I was worried that the whole thing would be a stitch-up. What do

00:03:49.000 you think? Well, I think that I agree with you. I think we saw that it was indeed transparent. I think

00:03:54.240 the commission is very fair. People that had doubts at the beginning that the judge was a liberal

00:03:58.400 shill or a liberal party member of some sort. So he's able to be impartial. We see him being

00:04:05.380 impartial to the Freedom Convoy lawyers, as well as to lawyers such as Paul Champ. So both on the

00:04:12.560 total opposite side of the spectrum. He's very professional. He's able to remain non-biased.

00:04:18.540 And I think that's some of the doubts that people have. Apart from that, the witnesses are great to

00:04:22.660 hear. I think he's extremely revealing. And the government of Canada officials and the government,

00:04:26.680 the Liberal cabinet must be shaking their boots right now, looking at the evidence that's being

00:04:31.500 shown. Because we all see that the Emergencies Act was helpful, but not necessary. That's what

00:04:36.000 every single witness that is honest says, helpful, but not necessary. And I truly look forward to see

00:04:41.120 the cabinet testify in the next two weeks. Yeah. You know, to be very specific,

00:04:47.180 this commission of inquiry is part of the Emergencies Act. It's a form of martial law that has actually

00:04:52.900 never been used before. It's the successor legislation to the War Measures Act. And because

00:04:57.900 it's such a grave undertaking to suspend civil liberties, it has built within it an accountability

00:05:04.540 device that within a certain period of time, a judge must inquire as to whether or not it was

00:05:11.200 necessary. And it's a very strict test, isn't it? It's sort of a two-step... Yeah, it is.

00:05:15.800 Go ahead. No, no, it is. It is a very, very strict step. And I was talking to Brendan Miller

00:05:20.800 yesterday, and it's... The whole commission is based on a book. There's a framework of the

00:05:25.920 commission. It's very interesting. I'm not quite sure what the title of the book is, but

00:05:29.360 it's based on a book written by a Western lawyer, I believe, from Alberta. So the whole

00:05:34.020 way the commission is done is extremely professional. It is extremely serious. But at the same time,

00:05:40.580 we're here because people had bouncy castles in the street. We're here because people had fun in the

00:05:45.740 street. And on the opposite side, you look at lawyers such as, once again, Brendan Miller, who

00:05:50.700 is representing people and who is fighting in court against or for people who are murderers who

00:05:58.440 committed serious crimes. So, no, it's interesting. Yeah. You mentioned Brendan Miller. He's one of the

00:06:04.380 many lawyers with the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. They're doing a great job.

00:06:08.640 The Democracy Fund, Alan Hohner, the director of litigation there, he's also accredited as an

00:06:14.720 intervener. So I think that goes to openness and transparency. Let me get back to what I was

00:06:19.060 saying about what the purpose of the commission is. It's not to re-litigate the politics. It's not

00:06:26.140 to say, are the truckers good or bad? Or even, is the government good or bad? That wouldn't even be

00:06:32.260 the role of a judge. The role is very specific. It's to see whether or not the convoy met, the

00:06:41.740 crisis or whatever you want to call it, meets the definition of a national danger, a national

00:06:48.880 emergency, using language from the CSIS Act actually. Was the country, were people in serious

00:06:56.580 danger? Or was the sovereignty of the country, like was there a real revolution of what? Those are

00:07:02.780 really the two species of emergency. Was there a mass danger? Or was there a danger to the country

00:07:09.800 itself, like the government falling or being toppled? But then there's the second part. And was this

00:07:16.360 danger something that could not be addressed by any other law? Exactly. So the first part is,

00:07:21.420 it has to be a grave danger, not just a bad feeling or a microaggression or a political nuisance or an

00:07:29.340 annoyance or a honking horn. And it's clear that this hasn't met that standard. And then even if

00:07:37.420 it does, even if this was a grave danger, even if they came armed with guns, God forbid, and they

00:07:42.980 didn't, even if they came to storm the parliament, even if they came to kidnap politicians, and these are

00:07:48.740 extreme things I'm saying, but they did use some of these tactics in the FLQ crisis in Quebec

00:07:54.920 some 52 years ago. The next part of the test is, okay, fine, so you have a grave danger.

00:08:01.960 Could existing laws tackle it? And every single cop who has been asked, every single cop, every

00:08:10.340 attorney general, every deputy attorney general, every police chief, every deputy police chief,

00:08:14.740 every one of them has said, no, we could have solved this. In fact, many of them did solve it. The

00:08:20.540 Alberta border crossing solved before the emergencies act was declared. The Windsor bridge crossing at the

00:08:26.580 Ambassador Bridge, which actually was the only convoy that had some economic impact, because that's a

00:08:32.700 very serious bridge, solved before the emergencies act. So both steps of the test have not been met.

00:08:41.980 And I do not think that this judge will be able to come to any conclusion, William,

00:08:47.480 other than the emergencies act was falsely and improperly invoked. But Trudeau doesn't give a damn.

00:08:54.980 He's above the law, don't you know?

00:08:57.540 I fully agree. The judge, I don't see any way, well, the reason why we call him a judge is that he is a

00:09:02.540 judge, but the real term for the commission is that he's a commissioner. He's Commissioner Rouleau,

00:09:06.100 who was a judge, who is still a judge. But yeah, I don't think there's any possible truthful way that

00:09:14.740 he could come to the conclusion that it was necessary. Every single witness says so. He might

00:09:18.960 be, he might, I don't think he's going to be convinced by the Liberal cabinet who will try to

00:09:25.600 convince him that it was actually necessary. Every single person, as you just mentioned, we hear,

00:09:30.580 says the line, helpful, but not necessary. We always say we repeat, I know Celine often says

00:09:36.140 that we repeat ourselves. But it's true, because we keep hearing the same thing every single day.

00:09:40.860 Every single day is the same story.

00:09:43.140 Well, William, I just want to say on a personal note, I'm very grateful to the work you've done.

00:09:47.720 I like to joke that when you joined us, I didn't even know you were 17. And I don't,

00:09:52.200 I hope you're not embarrassed by me mentioning that. You come across as so

00:09:55.300 wise and mature for your years. And I know you just turned 18. What a pleasure to have you on the

00:09:59.960 team. I think you've been a real star. And thank you for your deep commitment to citizen journalism.

00:10:06.980 I think you've done a hell of a job. So thank you. Let me bring in your Western colleagues who've

00:10:10.800 been sitting there patiently. Celine Glass. Now, Celine, you were one of the first rebels to deal with

00:10:18.840 the trucker convoy. In fact, you were embedded with the main convoy as it left Calgary in January.

00:10:27.440 So days before it even got to Ottawa, you and our chief videographer, Moka Buzirgan,

00:10:33.300 accompanied it. And we didn't know then what would become of it. We didn't know.

00:10:38.560 Everyone just knew go to Ottawa. It wasn't quite clear what would happen or what the plan was. It was

00:10:44.440 very organic. Tell us a little bit about what it was like in the convoy before it even got to Ottawa.

00:10:53.260 Yeah, it was, it was an incredible time. I mean, there was just almost, it was since we were all

00:10:59.140 in such disbelief, I believe, particularly when you would see, you know, the hours and hours that

00:11:04.340 it took to drive. We drove usually within the convoy for nine to 11, 12 hours, sometimes making sure that

00:11:10.840 we could keep up with them because they wouldn't stop. Like, these people were definitely on a

00:11:14.780 mission and the cold weather, the road conditions, nothing got in the way. But with all those things

00:11:20.980 being said, what was incredible was seeing literally not even an over exaggeration, the thousands of

00:11:26.980 people that lined the sides of the highway, sometimes even between like, like major cities,

00:11:32.060 there would still be people there supporting the truckers because you could fast track the route.

00:11:37.280 It was online. They always gave notice to where they would be staying or the cities that they

00:11:43.760 would be staying overnight. So that was really incredible. And then once again, this was January,

00:11:49.840 February. So January, just at the very end, right before the convoy landed in Ottawa,

00:11:55.100 the road conditions were absolutely terrible. They were scary. But with very, very few accidents or

00:12:03.260 anything like that, all the truckers made it. We made it very safely. But it was all these things

00:12:08.620 that kind of contributed to this journey that you didn't really expect to, you know, you just think

00:12:13.220 like, oh, this is so incredible. The tensions are really high. And all of a sudden, you find yourself

00:12:17.840 embedded in this convoy in a slow roll for nine to 12 hours every single day. So we got to stop off in

00:12:24.140 some areas and interview these truckers and, and talk to them about, you know, not just what the

00:12:29.020 government thought or what they thought about the government declaring them as a small fringe

00:12:33.680 minority or misogynist or domestic terrorists. But we also got to hear their stories. We got to hear

00:12:39.800 why they would decide to go on this crazy long trip. Some truckers, again, coming all the way from the

00:12:45.280 coast of British Columbia to Ottawa. And so that was really interesting to be able to connect with them

00:12:51.200 so deeply and then be able to show that to viewers because it was, in fact, not a small fringe

00:12:56.740 minority. And you can see that when we when we will, I suspect, go more in depth about some of

00:13:02.020 the findings that we've had in the commission. The OPS was very, very, very overwhelmed by the

00:13:08.940 amount of truckers that came and parked themselves in Ottawa. And it's because they were following

00:13:14.380 mainstream media and that was admitted. So they were following fake news. That's a great point.

00:13:19.660 Celine, I just want to remind our viewers what we're doing this live stream. We have a live stream

00:13:25.200 typically every day at 6 p.m. Eastern. Today, the commission is off. I think the Remembrance Day

00:13:32.180 memorial is the reason for that. So it's sort of a halfway, almost not quite exactly halfway through

00:13:39.700 the commission. And besides just recapping things, we've got about a dozen video clips

00:13:45.320 from the commission. And we're going to play those in a moment. But we're just setting the scene a

00:13:50.860 little bit reminding folks why we are in Ottawa, where you are. It looks like you're in a kitchen.

00:13:57.200 You are in a kitchen. That's we made a kitchen studio in the Airbnb, which is fun, which is fun.

00:14:03.620 And it's in it's really close to like it's in the middle of the action of Ottawa. I enjoyed my my brief

00:14:09.120 day there. And I'll have to go back. Before I go on to Sydney, I just want to mention what you

00:14:15.620 described there. Traveling up to 11, maybe even more hours a day, talking to people, getting to

00:14:25.220 know them, the feeling of camaraderie, seeing the different. That's actually journalism. That's

00:14:32.020 getting to know a subject, getting to know a story, pointing your camera at things and showing it,

00:14:36.960 asking basic who, what, where, why, when questions, showing some curiosity. That's that's really

00:14:43.980 journalism. And yet, as far as I know, not a single mainstream media journalist was embedded,

00:14:52.580 traveled along with the truckers anywhere. Like other than Rebel News, I don't think there was

00:15:00.680 a journalist who embedded themselves. And we knew in our bones very early that this would be a big

00:15:06.780 thing. And it's just incredible to me, the lack of curiosity by the rest. I mean, aren't you curious?

00:15:15.620 This is a spontaneous or or or is it not spontaneous? Is it, as the CBC said, organized by Vladimir

00:15:21.740 Putin? Well, why don't you send someone down and see if there's Russian messages? You know, I mean,

00:15:26.160 like if you if you're skeptical, I mean, send a skeptical reporter. Send someone instead of just

00:15:31.900 taking your talking points from the PMO. So what you described, I mean, and yeah, the coldest part

00:15:39.220 of the story. I went down to the convoy and auto is bloody cold. Now I wasn't dressed properly. I'm

00:15:43.560 an idiot. But it was so cold. That's part of the story, too. To have thousands of people in minus 20

00:15:49.460 degree weather. That's dedication. That's not some professional political, you know, rent a mob

00:15:56.000 that shows up only if they're paid or something like the left often has. These were people who have

00:16:01.540 likely never protested in their life before. Truckers are too busy working to protest. And

00:16:07.120 this was such a phenomenon. And the sheer lack of curiosity and interest by the media party

00:16:13.100 is stunning. And while, of course, this commission of inquiry is showing that the police and the

00:16:20.420 politicians had no basis for the brutality, it's also an indictment of the media party because time

00:16:26.340 and again we have heard witnesses say that all the scandal, all the rumors were being whipped up by

00:16:33.560 the mainstream media. Rumors of violence. Rumors of assault. Yet not a single witness, either a lay 1.00

00:16:40.320 person, a citizen, or a cop has said, yeah, I saw violence. That's right. In fact, we have a clip a

00:16:46.280 little bit later of Steve Bell. In fact, why don't we do it right now? Let's go to clip number five.

00:16:52.740 This is Steve Bell, perhaps the worst cop in the country. Now, I know Brenda Luckey,

00:16:59.020 the RCMP commissioner, by some measures is the worst cop in the country. But in terms of sheer

00:17:04.100 odious malice, in terms of abuse and threats, in terms of violating his oath, I believe that Steve

00:17:13.080 Bell, who was just replaced as the chief of police in Ottawa, I think he's the worst cop I have ever seen

00:17:20.020 at that rank. Here's clip five where he was forced to admit there actually was no violence. And so

00:17:29.660 this, I'm going to call him a dirty cop because I think that applies here, not in terms of corruption

00:17:36.100 like taking a bribe, but doing political errands while wearing a badge. Take off the goddamn badge,

00:17:42.580 you liberal hack, if you want to be a liberal hack. You put that badge on, you're a cop with an oath.

00:17:47.740 Look at this dirty cop running errands for Trudeau. Take a look at clip number five.

00:17:53.260 In your evidence in chief, you kept using the word violence regarding protesters, right?

00:17:57.740 Yes.

00:17:58.500 All right. And you've heard the evidence of Superintendent Morris already. You sort of

00:18:02.900 touched on that. And he had stated that the lack of violence in Ottawa during the protest was

00:18:08.260 actually shocking.

00:18:08.960 I don't recall that statement.

00:18:12.760 All right. So is it fair to say that when you use the phrase violence, you're not actually

00:18:17.060 describing any form of physical assaults, are you?

00:18:20.460 Well, physical assaults do contribute to what I'm describing. I was specifically describing

00:18:26.220 the violence that our community felt as a result of the culmination of actions that the occupiers

00:18:33.100 engaged in.

00:18:33.820 So the violence that they felt, not actual violence, is that what you're saying?

00:18:38.700 That is correct. Not the criminal code definition of violence, but the violence that they felt

00:18:43.400 by having an incessant horn splared.

00:18:45.760 Right.

00:18:46.120 By having trucks run 24-7 a day.

00:18:49.400 Right.

00:18:49.660 By having people intimidate them and follow them. And by having people rip masks off their

00:18:55.020 head. By feeling sheltered in their homes.

00:18:57.440 Well, thank you. I understand what you mean. But you're not talking about violence under Section

00:19:02.560 2 of the CSIS Act, are you? No, I'm not. Thanks.

00:19:07.700 What a disgrace that dirty cop is. And you know what? By the way, there was even a lie

00:19:11.660 embedded in his answer. People ripping masks off faces. That was inquired in detail by the

00:19:16.600 commission. That was a wicked lie. That wicked, dirty cop should be drummed out of the force. If 0.94

00:19:25.080 they were justice, he himself should be put on trial. Instead, he'll probably be given some

00:19:30.460 plum patronage position for running errands. By the way, I am advised that we have a special

00:19:36.160 guest on standby. I'm going to go to Sidney Fazzard next. But then we're going to talk with

00:19:42.020 a trucker who was part of the convoy at the Coutts border blockade between Coutts and between

00:19:51.320 the board of Alberta and Montana, who was holed up there with Sidney Fazzard and who is actually

00:19:57.300 being charged and is being prosecuted. And Rebel News is crowdfunding his legal defense.

00:20:05.860 I'm talking about Marco Van Huygenbos, and he'll be with us in just a moment. But before we go to

00:20:12.140 Marco, we're going to talk to Sidney Fazzard. Sidney, thank you for waiting so patiently.

00:20:15.440 I remember when you and Kian Simone were in our Calgary office, and we heard that the truckers

00:20:23.680 were mustering at the other border crossing. There's a bunch of border crossing in Canada.

00:20:28.780 This one in Coutts, Alberta. And in my bones, I knew that was going to be interesting. And I said,

00:20:33.320 hey guys, go down there. And I don't think you guys even packed a second change of clothes.

00:20:38.140 Correct me if I'm wrong. And you wound up being down there for the duration.

00:20:42.300 Tell us a little bit about what it was like. Again, just physically, you hop in your car. I

00:20:47.820 don't think you'd ever been to Coutts, Alberta before. I think you're originally from Ontario.

00:20:51.860 You're in our Calgary office. You're doing Calgary journalism. And you go to this tiny town,

00:20:55.800 population 245. Like it's not even a town. I don't even know if it's a village or if it's

00:21:01.560 incorporated. You go down to Coutts, Alberta. What was it like? What did you see? And what did

00:21:08.160 you think when you came upon all those trucks? It was an incredible experience. And you mentioned

00:21:14.240 I haven't been to Coutts before. Well, to be fair, not many people have been to Coutts. It's a very

00:21:19.060 small, very, very small town village. It's a small border. On one side, it's Coutts. And on the other

00:21:25.360 side, it's Sweetgrass. And these communities are very laced in with each other. So immediately,

00:21:29.940 there's kind of an understanding that a lot of the grievances that would be expressed by the COVID

00:21:34.180 mandates and restrictions that were put in place, especially on the border with the Americans.

00:21:39.200 There was a lot of issues stemming from that. And as we found out, you know, many of the

00:21:42.500 people, the residents of Coutts were also in strong support of what was coming their way, which

00:21:48.060 was at first a slow roll, a slow roll convoy that was in support of the freedom convoy that was

00:21:53.840 approaching Ottawa. And there were thousands of people, quite literally. And over the duration,

00:21:59.300 it would not surprise me if tens and tens of thousands of people had arrived and made their way

00:22:03.760 through at certain points. And what ended up happening was, I believe, roughly on January 29th,

00:22:08.400 is the slow roll. It was so congested. There was so much traffic and everything like that. And there's

00:22:12.160 a lot of people who were kind of like, well, you know, we're kind of already stopped. What's to stop

00:22:17.960 this from turning into a blockade or being a blockade, I guess you could say. And from that,

00:22:24.140 the Coutts blockade, as it's now known, arose. And we see some of the footage here. This is the

00:22:29.940 smuggler's saloon on screen that we're looking at. This is the little shack that was right beside

00:22:36.960 the highway, where all of these demonstrators, they kind of, that was the collection point. That

00:22:41.640 was the area, that was where the bathrooms were, that was where the food was coming from. 0.75

00:22:46.080 Because, you know, with that many people, there had to be some kind of organization so that everyone

00:22:50.820 was fed and taken care of. And that's exactly what we did. And we see this individual actually

00:22:54.400 on screen. Kian filmed this. Kian Simone, who's here as well. These two individuals were temporarily

00:22:59.360 stuck behind the blockade. And the truckers went out to talk to them, be like, look, we don't mean

00:23:04.760 to inconvenience you. Apparently, you were let through the border, even though we told the border

00:23:09.160 that the blockade was here. And they offered them food, help, anything they needed. And what did they

00:23:14.420 do? They went in, they got some food. They believe they got some coffees or some other stuff.

00:23:17.640 They actually signed the Canadian flag that was in there. And that just shows you the support for this

00:23:24.020 movement was quite all over. And even within the province of Alberta, there was decentralized

00:23:29.020 blockade action happening across the province in conjunction with the Coutts blockade and

00:23:34.240 consequently, in conjunction with the Freedom Convoy in Ottawa. It was the Coutts blockade,

00:23:39.700 but it was quite literally the province acting up. You know, the reason the size of Coutts is

00:23:46.080 relevant, 245 people, I don't even know if it's an incorporated entity. I think it's just a place.

00:23:50.920 And that saloon is like the hub of it. And the population of the location doubled or more

00:23:57.300 during the convoy. Now, you'll notice there's on the screen now, there's farm vehicles. Those are

00:24:03.760 big tractors or other farm equipment. Yes, there are trucks, of course. But a lot of those vehicles,

00:24:09.840 and those are very, very large farming. That's a tractor on the left. I don't quite, I didn't know

00:24:17.820 there was some construction style vehicles. I don't know the terminology. I see just incredibly

00:24:24.120 large vehicles. Oh, look at that. Someone who was giving a shout out to Rebel News. That's great.

00:24:29.540 That's a combine, I think. When you have a convoy in a city like Windsor, Ontario, which is a large

00:24:38.980 city or a city like Ottawa, again, a large city, you have a large urban police force with specialists

00:24:47.660 like the SWAT teams, probably helicopters. And you can call on other backup from other police forces

00:24:55.020 nearby. When I was in Ottawa, there were police from all over Ontario who had been sent there.

00:25:01.260 Coutts, Alberta is a different story. I don't even, other than maybe a border cop, I don't even know if

00:25:07.380 there would be a policeman stationed in the town. I think they're probably up at Milk River an hour

00:25:11.400 away. So if you have 100 trucks and farm equipment vehicles blocking, like you just can't move them

00:25:19.720 away like maybe you could in Toronto, Ottawa, Windsor, whatever, a big city. And, you know, if you want to

00:25:27.540 have some sort of physical showdown, there's just, just numerically, you're outgunned. So this was a

00:25:33.940 very different vibe than Ottawa with its riot horses stomping on people, hundreds and hundreds of

00:25:41.460 cops smacking billy clubs. This was the opposite. This was hundreds of grassroots citizens and a

00:25:49.800 handful of cops who had no clue what to do and no ability to do it. Don't you think, Sid?

00:25:55.220 Oh, absolutely. And I can't understate the effect of the Milk River demonstrations that were taking

00:26:00.420 place as well. Because, you know, there's the, as Kenny said, you know, 170 or whatever trucks on

00:26:05.400 the road, you see who's minimizing it. But realistically, there is a separate police barrier

00:26:10.780 that was set up in Milk River and this Milk River demonstration began to ensue because there's

00:26:15.900 thousands of people that were trying to get to Coutts to join the blockade who were being prevented by

00:26:20.860 the RCMP. And it is my understanding, I believe, that the RCMP would have been the authority of

00:26:25.760 jurisdiction. Because, you know, small town Alberta, there is no city police force, especially in Coutts,

00:26:32.160 right? So a lot of the burden does fall on their shoulders in this situation as well.

00:26:36.960 Isn't that interesting? You know, just like in Ottawa, the roads were blocked by the police,

00:26:42.580 as much as by the truckers. When I was in Ottawa, it was the police that were locking down every

00:26:46.060 intersection. To this day, many roads in Ottawa are closed by the police. I find it very bizarre.

00:26:50.620 Same thing in Alberta. It was the police who blocked off access to the border. Well, listen,

00:26:56.460 it is the bottom of the hour. We've been chatting for half an hour. It's a bit of a catch-up for me.

00:27:01.280 We do have a lot more video clips, but without further delay, I want to go to the man of the hour,

00:27:06.600 Marco van Heigenbos. He's a town counselor from Fort McLeod, Alberta, not too far away from Coutts.

00:27:13.960 Fort McLeod is near Lethbridge, which is a larger city in southern Alberta. He's a town counselor.

00:27:19.660 I had the pleasure of meeting him last weekend in Lethbridge when he briefly appeared in court

00:27:24.400 with two other truckers who were being prosecuted for inciting mischief. I think that's the species

00:27:31.020 of crime. Now, mischief is the kind of charge that is often given out for vandalism or spray

00:27:37.080 painting something. It's the kind of thing normally you get a slap on the wrist and the judge says,

00:27:40.720 I don't want to see you back in this court again. Fly straight, youngster. But no, no,

00:27:44.660 the crown is proceeding by what they call indictment. I understand that the government

00:27:49.000 wants 10 years in prison for Marco, Alex, and George, his other two truckers. Completely non-violent.

00:27:57.380 I say again, Marco himself is a town counselor. He's an upstanding citizen, a leader of his community,

00:28:02.600 and he's actually in Ottawa because he was testifying for the commission. Do we have Marco

00:28:07.700 in the studio? Yes, we do. You know, we're going to have a quick ad break. Oh, no, there he is. No

00:28:13.460 need for an ad break. Marco, how you doing? Nice to see you. Good to see you, Ezra. Thanks for having

00:28:17.660 me. Well, it's a pleasure, and thanks for waiting patiently. I understand you've been there, and

00:28:21.140 welcome to our little pop-up studio in Ottawa in our Airbnb. Now, last I saw you were in Lethbridge,

00:28:29.760 and you were one of the three defendants. And I know you have to be careful about what you say

00:28:34.920 publicly because, of course, the prosecution will be watching this, and they'll want to scrutinize

00:28:40.500 any word and use it to hang you. So I'm not going to ask you anything about the case. But maybe you

00:28:44.940 can tell me without referring to anything that would touch on your trial. I want to be careful

00:28:48.500 for you. Why were you there? Why were hundreds or maybe even thousands of men and women from all

00:28:56.260 across southern Alberta and other places streaming in, why did they feel it was important to peacefully

00:29:01.800 protest that day in February? We were there to stand up to a government gone rogue. During the 18 months

00:29:11.140 at that time of COVID, we had seen our local municipalities, our boards, all of the powers that

00:29:21.340 are given us through our Westminster parliamentary democracy, essentially put in a box and put on a top

00:29:28.360 shelf. And Kenny, with his pick committee, and the authorities given to AHS through their emergency

00:29:35.940 measures, were running the province. And the inability to communicate with our elected officials

00:29:43.020 drove us to a place that essentially drove us to Coots. That was where we made the stand to

00:29:52.120 to demand accountability from our representatives. And the mayor of Coots, and again, mayor is a big word

00:30:00.980 for a place or two. I was a student council rep in, you know, in school, and I had more constituents than

00:30:07.440 the mayor of Coots does. But he is the mayor. Tell me how the local town reacted. Like, like everyone knew

00:30:16.340 people who were on the line. And there may have been disagreements about it. But these were not

00:30:21.100 strangers. These were friends and neighbors and family in many cases, weren't they?

00:30:25.060 Correct. Correct. I'm not from from the Coots area from Warner County. But a lot of the a lot of the

00:30:31.480 individuals, a lot of the residents of Milk River and Coots supported this. The mayor himself testified

00:30:36.680 that it was probably a 70-30 split. And it comes back to, you know, 70-30 split. 30% of the people

00:30:45.320 might not have agreed with certain tactics that were being used. But to say they didn't support us,

00:30:52.420 I would disagree with that. I believe all of Alberta supported us. But being an organic event,

00:31:00.440 there were things that happened that were out of our control. We responded to the

00:31:06.680 to it, right? Essentially, we built the plane as we were flying it. I've heard that comment a few

00:31:11.700 times this week. But to say, you know, 70-30, I think that's a pretty accurate description.

00:31:19.600 And it but to, you know, back to that 30%, I never really interacted with that 30%. So I can't 1.00

00:31:27.700 attest to that. But the support was there from the communities surrounding that,

00:31:33.760 surrounding Coots and and and the county. Yeah, we're looking on screen of different

00:31:38.780 imagery. That's our friend Kian Simone, who along with Sydney Fazzard was down there for

00:31:42.560 the bulk of it. Very interesting to be embedded with the truckers. They were right there in the

00:31:48.040 saloon. They watched the negotiations. Tell me about the the role of I remember getting a phone call

00:31:54.940 from Sid and Kian about how it was going. And there was a worry that the RCMP negotiators were

00:32:00.960 not negotiating in good faith, that they were misleading, that they were sort of silver tongue

00:32:04.940 devils and tricking folks. And I thought, boy, there's a chance that's going to go wrong.

00:32:10.040 So we mustered some crowdfunding money and we sent down a lawyer, Chad Williamson, who I think was a

00:32:16.340 perfect fit for this project. And Chad is representing you and the other two truckers.

00:32:22.000 There's Chad right there. But he's representing you in court now. But back then, he was sort of a go

00:32:27.340 between just to make sure that everyone knew their rights and to liaise with the cops so that they had

00:32:34.780 someone. I'm not saying that the truckers were unsophisticated. I'm just saying that they aren't

00:32:39.160 used to hard bitten negotiation with with tough hombres on the other side. That's what a lawyer does

00:32:44.620 every day. A litigating lawyer fights against another side all the time every day. That's how

00:32:51.920 they're mentally trained. Whereas a trucker is a friend to all. He's not getting into fights. So you

00:32:57.620 put a bunch of truckers in the room, then you send in these silver tongue devils from the RCMP. 0.95

00:33:01.620 That's not actually level playing field. You add Chad Williams into the game. OK, now it's a level

00:33:06.760 playing field. That's at least how I think of it. But I wasn't there. How was it? Did Chad fulfill

00:33:13.420 that kind of a role when he was there as a liaison? Absolutely. Chad, with his colleague

00:33:21.560 Martin, they came down and they, you know, in layman's terms, explained what we were up

00:33:27.800 against and what could happen and if it happened, what we how we had to respond. You know, you

00:33:33.740 have a right to a lawyer. I remember the exact terminology. I think it was something

00:33:39.420 yes, yes, no. But it was in the event of arrests. And we felt that that would be what it came

00:33:50.260 to. We weren't going to resist. We weren't going to fight back. But we were going to stand

00:33:55.860 our ground. And we also knew that eventually, systematically, the government would have to

00:34:01.560 remove us. We were aware of that. We made that decision. And that's that's that that decision

00:34:06.760 when we when when you have truckers and farmers and families who come down there knowing they

00:34:12.080 could go into the world of legal prosecution, something they're not aware of, something

00:34:17.600 they're not familiar with, but showed up anyways and stood their ground that that that's that

00:34:23.880 was powerful. You know, it was amazing. I was just we were showing on the screen there

00:34:28.780 men and women, truckers, farmers. I think they were singing, Oh, Canada, one fellow had his

00:34:33.620 hat off over his heart. We also saw about 20 cops, you know, and again, so those are the truckers

00:34:40.680 there. I think this was sort of the showdown day, where a bunch of truckers came and were basically

00:34:44.980 saying you got to get out now. But you can just see what I mentioned earlier, Ottawa, Windsor,

00:34:50.880 those are big cities with big police forces, you could get three, four, 500 cops, a SWAT team,

00:34:56.740 riot horses, helicopter dispatched in a matter of hours in those cities. But in Coutts, Alberta,

00:35:02.580 the best the cops could muster was 20 folks and the exuberance and the sheer numbers and

00:35:10.540 the and the flat open spaces. Those cops were showing it on camera. Now they turned and walked

00:35:18.160 away. Like they, they thought they could get the truckers to blink. The truckers didn't

00:35:22.960 blink. The cops blinked. I thought that was a fascinating moment.

00:35:26.160 That was an extremely powerful moment. That was the Tuesday of the first week. I remember

00:35:32.940 that clear as day. I remember their first attempt. And this is this, this syncs with that the farmers

00:35:40.880 and the truckers breaking the very preliminary Milk River blockade at that time. They blew through

00:35:47.240 there. You might have seen videos of that previously. But they had made the attempt and had essentially

00:35:52.700 told a few truckers because we were, we, we didn't have a barricade. We didn't have a barrier. We

00:35:56.320 just had trucks on the highway facing east and west. So we had no real way to, to stand our ground

00:36:01.620 in, in, in a, in a way that the RCMP would have to, have to essentially come, come to a standoff with

00:36:07.940 us. And they had convinced a few truckers to leave by just essentially saying, you know, you're,

00:36:13.280 you're leaving or you're getting arrested. So that's a pretty obvious decision. But out of the,

00:36:18.220 you know, it was a pretty, uh, the, the weather was pretty crappy out of the, out of the blue,

00:36:22.880 I would say blue, but out of the white came these truckers and these, these farmers who had seen on

00:36:28.640 the social media platforms that the RCMP was enforcing in coots and they could not watch that

00:36:35.460 happen to their, to their friends, to their families, to, to their fellow Albertans. So they broke

00:36:40.880 through that barrier and the timing of that was, was just phenomenal. It wasn't planned, but the

00:36:47.340 timing. And when they showed up, we ended up taking that equipment and forming a, a fence to fence,

00:36:53.820 um, metal barrier with equipment, trucks and trailers and farm implements. I remember this one

00:37:01.780 tractor coming in with a big double disc and it just parked on the highway and it folded its wings

00:37:06.300 down and there it was. And it, it's the, the RCMP had essentially retreated when those trucks and

00:37:13.880 tractors rolled in and they made one more attempt. And that's when the, the, the, the protesters came

00:37:21.620 out of the saloon and came from their, their trucks, et cetera, cause it was minus 30 and with windchill

00:37:26.460 and we formed a line and we stood in front of the, the, that barricade and we sang, Oh Canada.

00:37:33.240 And I remember, um, you know, clearly indicating, you know, we maintain our distance. We did,

00:37:40.080 we wanted a no contact. Um, that was our goal. And we were successful with that, the numbers and, and,

00:37:46.780 and the, the force that was presented with, with the met, with, with equipment and, and the people on,

00:37:53.540 on that highway, um, turned the enforcement effort into a failure and the RCMP took an approach that

00:38:00.680 led to more of a, uh, that essentially led to negotiations, um, going forward. Now we're

00:38:07.580 gathered here today because we're talking about the trucker commissioner inquiry and whether or not

00:38:11.720 the use of the emergencies act was legally, morally, constitutionally, politically justified.

00:38:16.320 It's pretty clear that the answer to that is no. And, and the way I know that is that your blockade,

00:38:21.540 which was by far the most effective in the country was resolved before the emergencies act was

00:38:27.920 deployed. It was resolved. Tell me a little bit about your testimony, um, before the trucker

00:38:33.060 commission this week. Yeah. So that's, I got to P note, um, a couple months ago and, uh, obviously

00:38:40.020 leading up to it, um, not sure, um, you know, what, what, how it would transpire. So I, I, I watched a lot

00:38:47.000 of it from Alberta and this is not something that has ever happened. Essentially the, the emergencies

00:38:51.900 act has never been enacted. So the inquiry has never been necessary. Um, so becoming familiar

00:38:57.860 with the proceedings, et cetera, I remember showing up a couple of days early and just getting my feel

00:39:02.280 of the room, but going in, um, prepared. I sat down with, um, with, uh, Martin, my legal counsel,

00:39:09.380 uh, who was, um, uh, who, who was sponsored by a TDF and, uh, my criminal lawyer, Yovnev, who, who works,

00:39:17.460 um, with Chad, uh, from Williamson Law. We did a lot of preliminary prep and I came in and, um,

00:39:24.240 I was able to articulate well and speak to what, you know, there, I was subpoena, but there was also

00:39:29.920 a willingness on my part to, to get in front of the commission, to get in front of the country

00:39:34.220 and to, to, to share the truth of, of what happened in Coutts. Um, that the, the truth

00:39:40.120 of what happened has never been fully shared. And, and a lot of the truth cannot be shared yet

00:39:45.020 as there's legal prosecution, but the, the narrative in, in the mainstream media has changed

00:39:51.760 from an event, a peaceful event where there were unfortunately, uh, situations outside of the

00:39:58.380 main blockade that, that cast a bad light on us, but it was separate, but

00:40:04.140 over the last 10 months, that separation has been, has diminished. And now all of Coutts,

00:40:10.700 you know, it's essentially goes back to the, the, the way the media paints this now is that

00:40:15.820 every trucker was on that highway holding a gun and that's ridiculous. So that was part of my,

00:40:20.700 my goal was to come to the commission and to share the truth of that. And to also share that, um,

00:40:26.620 it was not necessary. We, who, you know, we're in Alberta, we're in Coutts, like no disrespect to,

00:40:31.500 to, to the, to the, to the people in this great city, but who, who's Ottawa to us, you know,

00:40:36.540 Ottawa is this, this far away place for us. And, and we understand the role of Ottawa,

00:40:40.620 but the emergencies act, I might've heard about it, but that was not something that, that, that,

00:40:45.260 that made me shake in my boots that we, we, we, we had gone there with, uh, with, with the goal to,

00:40:51.820 to, to, to communicate with our, or to demand accountability of our provincial government.

00:40:56.120 But when things turned to the situation on hand, we were prepared, we were prepared to,

00:41:02.120 to make that stand. So there was nothing in the emergencies act that was going to change that

00:41:06.360 situation. So in, in leaving our decision and the timing of it, uh, which is public has nothing to do

00:41:13.800 with, with the invocation of the emergencies act. And that had to be shared, um, from my part.

00:41:19.320 And unfortunately, uh, and this is probably, you probably lead to this in your questioning,

00:41:23.160 but unfortunately the government, government of Alberta in their cross examination of me,

00:41:28.520 and even the testimony of the deputy justice minister, um, a day or two later was very vague

00:41:35.400 in this. It was the, you know, if their goal as the province of Alberta, which they also believe

00:41:40.840 that the emergencies act was not necessary. And that's why they requested standing at the commission.

00:41:46.760 But I'm, I'm surprised as to how they represented, you know, the, the, the government of Alberta,

00:41:53.480 their count, the council essentially put me on the stand. It was a prosecution of

00:41:57.640 Marco van Joukobos in Ottawa. And well, that's a, that's obviously a holdover from Jason Kenney's

00:42:02.920 regime. The new premier of Alberta, Danielle Smith is more sympathetic to freedom and more critical of

00:42:09.080 lockdownism. But obviously, uh, she's only been in the office for a few weeks and you have all these,

00:42:15.640 in fact, your prosecution, the prosecution of you and George and Marco, sorry, your Marco,

00:42:20.760 excuse me. And Alex, um, the prosecution of you three peaceful protesters was started under

00:42:28.360 Kenny in his last month as premier. Correct.

00:42:31.160 And now it's like a zombie that's operating under its own energy. And I think the premier has to call

00:42:40.840 it off. And I think it's absurd, the demand for 10 years in prison. I think your lawyer is right when

00:42:46.440 he said last weekend at the, uh, the rally outside the courthouse that there's no jury in Lethbridge

00:42:52.760 to convict. Like if 70, 70% of the people of Coutts were in support and their town was being blockaded,

00:42:58.440 but still 70% of them supported it. You're not going to find a jury to convict in Lethbridge.

00:43:03.480 This is pure vendetta, but you know what, Marco? And, and I appreciate your time today.

00:43:08.840 We got your back. And when I mean that, I don't just mean we have your back morally and

00:43:12.200 journalistically, but we're, as you know, we're crowdfunding the legal offense. You mentioned

00:43:17.880 the lawyers, Chad Williamson. He's got a couple of colleagues. You'll have Nevis one of them.

00:43:22.840 We even put up a billboard, put up some digital billboards around, uh, Lethbridge. I saw one with

00:43:28.760 my own eyes and the website we set up is trucker defense fund.com trucker defense fund.com

00:43:38.040 because I think one of the, those are the three men there. There's Marco year. That's you on the

00:43:42.520 right. And then that's George in the middle. And then that's Alex on the left. I had the pleasure

00:43:46.920 of meeting all three of you at the courthouse last weekend for the, for the first time. And I was very

00:43:51.960 glad I came down there. There's me early in the morning. My face is blue. Cause there's a police light

00:43:57.000 flashing. I got there very early and police in Lethbridge, there were police with their flashers

00:44:02.680 on every single street corner. Um, I don't know what they were expecting. If they were expecting

00:44:08.120 Lethbridge to be locked down by the convoys, I don't know. But, um, this is all about intimidating

00:44:15.080 you, overwhelming you, stressing you out, bankrupting you, taking up all your time and money.

00:44:20.360 And we can help with some of that, namely the money side. And so we have committed,

00:44:25.880 and this is, I made this commitment to the truckers when you were in the saloon. I remember

00:44:31.000 that our reporters were in the saloon with you and they called me and I was at home. It was dinner

00:44:37.000 time. It was after dinner in Toronto. That's where I live. And I got the call from the lads and he put me

00:44:43.080 on speakerphone and we chatted back and forth. And I said, fellas, we'll crowdfund a lawyer to help. 0.97

00:44:50.120 And if any of you get charged, we'll crowdfund the lawyer to defend. And that has come to pass.

00:44:57.480 And so I went down there to Lethbridge to see you guys look in the eye and say, we're going to help

00:45:01.000 you. Now I myself, I'm not independently wealthy, but if we have enough ordinary people chipping in 10

00:45:06.760 bucks, 50 bucks, a hundred bucks, we can pay for a whole trial. It's going to be an expensive trial.

00:45:11.640 Yeah. You can see that though. That's, that's me speaking with my face, reflecting

00:45:16.760 the flashers. It was crazy. Like every street corner in downtown Lethbridge had a police car

00:45:23.960 with flashers on. You can see I was standing right. Like they're still crazy. The cops down

00:45:27.800 there are still mad at the courthouse. They had 20 cops. I said to one of them, is there some trial

00:45:32.200 of a drug kingpin? Is El Chapo inside or something? And I made a joke to one of them. All you need is a

00:45:37.720 police helicopter. He said, yeah, I wish we had one. Yeah, brother. I think,

00:45:41.240 I think you're going after the wrong bad guys here. So folks, if you can help out at

00:45:45.080 truckerdefensefund.com, Rebel News is paying for Chad Williamson and the rest of his firm

00:45:49.960 to defend Marco, George, and Alex. Listen, you'd be generous with your time. It's nice to see you.

00:45:54.360 I'm glad you're in the nation's capital. I'm glad you had a chance to put your side of the

00:45:57.640 story on the record. I'm disappointed, but not surprised that the Alberta government thought

00:46:01.560 they'd try and put you on trial. That's the same government that imploded on itself because of

00:46:07.320 its abusive lockdowns. I mean, it's quite something that Jason Kenney, once the leading

00:46:12.280 politician on the right in Canada, didn't even finish his term, and it's because of this abusiveness.

00:46:17.960 I'll give you the last word, Marco, before you head back west.

00:46:21.720 Are you hopeful? Do you think the Trucker Commission of Inquiry will do a good job?

00:46:33.400 Just give me your reflections. As you said, this is a whole new thing for you. You've never been

00:46:37.720 subpoenaed before. You've never participated in a hearing like this before. You've never been charged

00:46:43.240 with a crime like this before. Give me your thoughts.

00:46:46.360 Well, we're definitely hopeful. We always have to remain hopeful. Otherwise, what is the fight for?

00:46:54.680 As to any real consequences, I'm concerned we're not going to see a lot. We may see some minister

00:47:05.320 take the fall, but to see anything actually change, I don't believe that will happen. That's very

00:47:11.320 unfortunate because the goals of Coutts, Emerson, Sarnia, Windsor, Ottawa specifically, it was a demand

00:47:23.960 for accountability. You know, our representatives have forgotten who they represent, and like I keep

00:47:31.000 on saying, for trust to be rebuilt, we need to see accountability. And this is just one part of that

00:47:40.840 process. Well, stay there for one more second. I want to play clip number two, which is Trudeau,

00:47:46.360 when he was asked, would he resign if there was no justification for his invocation of the

00:47:53.320 Emergencies Act? And here's how that exchange went. Take a look.

00:47:55.880 The inquiry that starts today, 65 witnesses over 30 days. You know, when it's all wrapped up in the

00:48:01.960 commissioner, if he finds that there was no justification for the federal government to

00:48:07.560 invoke the Emergencies Act, should there be consequences for the federal government,

00:48:10.920 including your resignation? But we knew from the very beginning that invoking the Emergencies Act

00:48:16.840 is a big step. It had never been done before. Given these unprecedented illegal protests,

00:48:22.680 we needed to take action. We took it in a way that was measured, that was responsible, that was time

00:48:27.560 limited. And we knew full well that there needed to be a public inquiry. Canadians need that level of

00:48:33.640 transparency and accountability. And that's why we launched this inquiry. That's why I'm so happy

00:48:39.480 to be that I offered from the beginning to be part of part of appearing at this commission. And we're

00:48:45.080 going to make sure that Canadians see the situation we were facing and how the tools we used were

00:48:50.760 appropriate. It's found that there was no justification for it. Again, what should the consequences be for

00:48:55.720 that? I think the important thing is for Canadians to understand the situation we were in and the

00:49:03.240 choices we make. We didn't enter into using the Emergencies Act lightly. We used it with a sense of

00:49:11.000 it was the necessary tool at the time. We used it in a way that was measured and proportionate. And we're

00:49:17.720 really pleased that the commission is going to be able to hear from all these witnesses. And that was why

00:49:22.520 I offered to appear. What an odious tyrant. Of course, he's not going to resign if and when

00:49:30.200 the commission finds it was unjustified. Here's a man who's been convicted under the Conflict of

00:49:34.920 Interest Act more times than any other prime minister in history combined. Of course, he doesn't

00:49:40.520 resign. He laughs at it. Here's a man where mere hours after the federal court ruled that he must

00:49:46.440 accredit Rebel News journalists to the debate commission. And when we ask him questions, he says,

00:49:51.640 I don't have to. Well, actually, the judge just said you do and you're violating our charter rights

00:49:56.280 for not. He's a petty man who's a son of privilege who doesn't believe the law applies to him. Of

00:50:02.040 course, he will not resign if and when he's found to have abusively used this law. And of course,

00:50:08.040 the media party will let him get away with it. Even in his answer there, he used the phrase illegal

00:50:12.600 protest. That's not a thing in Canada. If you're if you're engaged in a riot, that's illegal. But

00:50:19.320 protests by definition are not illegal. Nonviolent protests are not illegal. He's a wicked liar.

00:50:27.880 And of course, he'll skate as he always does. Marco, last word to you. I know I said that before,

00:50:32.520 but I just wanted to play that Trudeau clip. I'll say a last word to you. And then we'll throw to

00:50:36.360 a commercial. And we do have other guests on standby. It's almost the top of the hour. And I've

00:50:41.400 gone a little slowly here. We've got a lot of clips. My colleague Lincoln Jay is going to take over

00:50:46.360 for me in the chair here. But Marco, it's a pleasure to talk to you. What message will you

00:50:53.000 bring back to Fort McLeod and Lethbridge and if you return to Coutts from your journey to Ottawa?

00:51:01.080 Do you think justice will be done? Let me ask you that. Do you think

00:51:05.640 Canada is still the Canada you thought it was and grew up in?

00:51:08.920 It's not the Canada that we grew up in. That's a tough question. Do I? Yeah. There is hope. I

00:51:21.880 believe that's why we're here. I believe that's why we stood up. But we have no choice. This is,

00:51:26.440 there is no last frontier somewhere else. This is it. And specifically Alberta. We look at that,

00:51:32.840 you know, it's still Alberta. And there's a remnant there that speaks to generations past. And we have

00:51:39.400 to fight. We have to protect that. And ultimately, my goal to come down to the commission was to share

00:51:46.520 a truth and to fight that. It was a fact gathering journey. And I just hope that Tyler Shandro and his

00:51:56.200 ministry do what they plan to do and hold Trudeau accountable instead of fighting Albertans

00:52:05.960 like they have for the last two and a half years. Yeah, that's a great point. Marco van Heugenbos,

00:52:10.200 nice to see you again. Thanks for appearing on the show for such an extended period. I'm going to say

00:52:16.040 goodbye to you now. And we're going to roll some short ads. And when we return, in my place will be

00:52:22.600 my colleague, Lincoln Jay. And we'll go back to you in the studio there, our colleagues, Celine

00:52:29.240 and Sid. And we'll continue our special broadcast at about the halfway point in the Trucker Commission

00:52:35.960 of Inquiry. So it's a pleasure sitting with you this past hour. Marco, thank you very much. We'll

00:52:40.440 say goodbye to you. And stay with us because there's more ahead after these messages.

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00:56:54.200 We're back with Lincoln Jay in Toronto. Ezra. Bye-bye, Ezra. So I'm back here. We are with Lincoln Jay.

00:57:01.880 Lincoln, how are you doing? Good, good, William. How's it going, guys?

00:57:05.560 Oh, it's going perfect. In addition to the great Lincoln Jay from Toronto, we also have,

00:57:10.680 as seen on TV, we have Tom Morazzo here in our Ottawa studio. Tom, how are you doing?

00:57:15.560 I'm good. I'm good. So you dressed up today. I like seeing the dress shirts.

00:57:19.400 I did. Now you're more dressed than me now. It's two times that I'm less dressed than me.

00:57:23.080 That happens sometimes. That's bad. Not always, but every once in a while.

00:57:25.720 I'm going to wear a suit next time. But we're both more dressed up than Lincoln.

00:57:30.280 That's right. I know. That's a given. Another difference that you have with Lincoln is that

00:57:34.680 Lincoln has a puppy straight from the Legion, same as me and Celine. But Hugh, if you look at,

00:57:40.600 I don't know if it's possible to see on the camera if you go a little bit more to the right. Yeah.

00:57:43.960 You're a puppy. You drew it yourself. So you didn't buy one from the Legion. Can you explain why that is?

00:57:48.440 Yeah. So that seemed to be a little bit of a hot topic on social media the last couple of days.

00:57:55.160 What I have is I actually made the poppy out of some red paper that I had,

00:58:00.120 and I have my Veterans for Freedom pin right in the middle, holding onto it. And I have decided that

00:58:08.920 based on the conduct of the Royal Canadian Legion over the last two Remembrance Days,

00:58:18.760 that I just didn't really feel like I could morally support the Legion anymore. And as a veteran,

00:58:24.280 I'm a lifelong member. All veterans are lifelong members of the Royal Canadian Legion. But even as

00:58:32.520 of today, there's Branch 129, I think, in the town of Preston. You can't get in unless you show

00:58:39.080 proof of vaccination. So that's one issue here that I find very contradictory to the ethos of what

00:58:45.400 Canadians are joining the military to try to do. The second thing is they were absolutely deplorable

00:58:53.560 in their treatment in many of the legions, not all, but many of the legions out east when James

00:58:59.400 Topp was walking across Canada and in the eastern provinces and refused to allow him and actually

00:59:06.440 cancelled events that he was at saying that he was basically a racist. And James Topp has five

00:59:13.080 deployments, you know, in a 27-year career in the Canadian military, I think going on 28. Now,

00:59:18.920 the third thing was, you know, you combine that with the fact that last week they were advertising

00:59:24.760 and renting out their space to a drag queen show full of children. So, you know, it's just a bridge

00:59:32.440 too far from me. So, it is my own personal decision. I still wear the poppy. It's a symbol of Remembrance

00:59:39.560 Day. But I made my own and I have my Veterans for Freedom pin in the center of it.

00:59:45.000 Yeah, well, I think there's different ways to look the poppy. You know, the poppy, I think,

00:59:49.000 at its genesis, has nothing to do with the legion. I think it has to do with Flanders Field.

00:59:53.160 And it's a symbol for the veterans, which is the reason why I'm wearing it today. When I think about the

00:59:58.040 poppy, I don't think about the legion. I think most people who look at the poppy don't even think

01:00:02.120 about the legion. They think about the veterans. So, I think there's this way to look at it. But

01:00:06.040 there's the other way that's totally valid as well. The way I should look at it when you see the legion.

01:00:09.640 The thing is, is that the poppy, the Royal Canadian Legion owns the rights to the poppy. And the

01:00:15.400 only place you can get a poppy is through the Royal Canadian Legion. So, yes, it does come from

01:00:20.840 Flanders Fields, but they own the rights to the poppy you're wearing. So, for me, I don't judge. I don't

01:00:26.040 criticize. It's just a personal decision that I made for myself. So, what other people do is

01:00:31.400 their business. Yeah, no, I was just curious to hear about that. And I think that you were at the

01:00:35.480 War Memorial this morning during the ceremony for November 11. How was it getting there?

01:00:41.960 It was good. There was a huge crowd there. I would estimate, you know, 8 to 10,000 people had

01:00:49.080 attended this year. We were quite far back. I attended with both Beth Durbashiba Vandenberg,

01:00:59.240 one of my lawyers, as well as Eva Cipi, one of my lawyers, in attendance with Tamara Lich, right?

01:01:06.440 And here's the irony. You know, in a so-called free country, Tamara Lich is not allowed to attend that 1.00

01:01:13.320 in my presence without a lawyer being there in between us. And it was strange because we noticed

01:01:22.120 that there was a couple of Ottawa police officers behind us at all times that seemed to appear out

01:01:27.160 of nowhere. That's right. You made sure to have Eva between you and Tamara the whole time. There's

01:01:32.520 another thing, too, from the memorial this morning. There was a speech that was given, but I'm not sure

01:01:37.480 who was giving the speech, but in the speech, it was an extremely interesting speech and it reminded me of

01:01:41.640 Tamara Lich. They spoke about freedom of speech. They spoke about the right to protest and how

01:01:46.440 privileged we are to have freedom of speech in our country. And then I think I looked over to

01:01:52.280 Bath or Tamara or both of them and Eva, and I was like, that's not what we've been seeing.

01:01:58.200 Not what we've been seeing at all.

01:02:00.040 And this speech resembled so much to the speech that we heard from Tamara Lich. And Tamara Lich,

01:02:06.280 when she spoke about this exact topic, was called a fascist, a white supremacist,

01:02:11.560 a far-right extremist. You know, all the worst names that you can imagine. But it was a good

01:02:17.480 speech and it is true. We are a country that is supposed to value freedom of speech. We have

01:02:21.720 veterans that died on the field to protect our rights, to defend our rights to say what we want.

01:02:27.080 Well, a week ago today, we heard testimony of a veteran that was beaten on those steps

01:02:33.160 back on February 18th and 19th, right? You saw the footage. It's all over the internet.

01:02:38.360 It's a real thing. It did actually happen in this country on those steps at the National War Memorial.

01:02:44.440 And that was only a week ago that Canadians actually got to hear the testimony.

01:02:49.560 What did you make of that?

01:02:50.360 I think that it's horrendous. And we were talking about the way that veterans are treated now. But

01:02:55.400 yeah, to have all these things be coming to light during the commission, especially

01:02:59.720 Christopher Deering's testimony. I had seen that video on the internet numerous times. Lincoln,

01:03:04.440 I'm sure you've seen it too. The snatch and grab, the protesters being thrown to the ground.

01:03:11.080 This was an ex-veteran, military veteran, who had sustained severe injuries during one of his

01:03:17.240 tours in Afghanistan, I believe. And he made it very well known. I'll just reiterate, he made it

01:03:22.520 very well known to the police officers that were enclosing on the other veterans on, it was at the

01:03:27.720 memorial, wasn't it?

01:03:28.680 Yes, it was.

01:03:29.400 And he told them, he let them know that he was a, he was an injured veteran. And so that if it came down

01:03:36.440 to arrest, they weren't going to resist. And that they could do whatever was necessary, but just,

01:03:42.760 you know, keeping in mind of his injuries. And they literally threw him to the ground,

01:03:47.160 put a knee into his spine and punched him repeatedly. Yeah. And we have this, we saw it.

01:03:52.680 This was evidence that the anti-convoy lawyers tried to suppress and objected to, but Commissioner

01:03:59.800 Rulo was very impartial, and he did, he did decide to have the evidence brought forth.

01:04:05.480 Yeah, that's right. Bathsheba and Brendan Miller were arguing for the presentation,

01:04:10.520 for showing the evidence. Well, let's take a look at part of Chris's testimony.

01:04:15.240 We just saw the tweet that was put up on the screen. Let's take a look at what he had said

01:04:18.360 exactly at the commission in regards to that incident.

01:04:21.320 I used to come and I gave myself to the police. And as the police took me down,

01:04:28.600 again, he knew he kneed me in my side, kicked me in my back.

01:04:34.360 I was laying down. I was in the fetal position on my back. He kicked me in my ankle and my foot.

01:04:40.920 As I was laying down, I had my hands completely up. I'm saying, I'm very peaceful. I'm peaceful.

01:04:45.720 I'm not resisting. I was then punched four or five times in my head.

01:04:50.200 I had a knee on my back to keep myself down. I was on the ground for one and a half to two minutes.

01:04:56.680 My hands were zip tied. The officers slowly picked me up. And then we slowly proceeded to the processing line.

01:05:04.440 We get to the processing line. The day was minus 20. I had no gloves on.

01:05:15.880 At the beginning of the processing line, we were standing there.

01:05:18.040 And I had asked, sorry, the duration of the processing line was one and a half to two hours.

01:05:25.000 So I was standing there in the cold for two hours. I asked the policeman who was on both sides of me,

01:05:30.840 I said, do you mind? You know my conditions. Is it okay if I sit or kneel because I'm in chronic pain?

01:05:35.720 It was obvious. My face was flush and I cried multiple times. And I don't cry ever.

01:05:41.960 I was, it was the worst pain I had felt since I'd been blown up.

01:05:44.680 The fact that I couldn't sit or stand was to me cruel and unusual punishment. We would go 15,

01:05:52.760 20 minutes without even moving. I also asked if I could have my medication in which I had my

01:05:58.200 prescription and my medication on my person so that if I needed it, I could ask. I asked,

01:06:03.560 and I was denied my comfort, my medication to comfort my duress.

01:06:06.600 We both see veterans in our country being treated that way. Lincoln, you were on the ground in Ottawa.

01:06:14.920 Did you see more innocence like that? What was the general vibe in Ottawa?

01:06:20.280 Yeah, well, these are the type of incidents, incidences that aren't really spoken about. Now

01:06:24.600 they're coming to light a bit more with the commission. But even so, it's so hard to break

01:06:30.200 that barrier where the general public can understand what actually took place over the course of the

01:06:36.520 those two days where the police moved in. There was just no excuse for the way that the police were

01:06:41.960 behaving and the amount of force that the police used. When they were attempting to get truckers out

01:06:49.080 of their trucks, they were using some sort of baton to just smash open the windows. Not knocking on the

01:06:57.640 doors, asking them to go, just smashing the windows open, unlocking the door from the inside and dragging

01:07:03.800 them out. So, you know, I, the police, yeah, they wanted to clear out the protest. They wanted to

01:07:09.640 to ultimately end it. But there's just no excuse for, for the way that they went about it and the

01:07:16.920 amount of force that they used. It was just brutal. And again, it's just tough because even though a lot

01:07:23.800 of things are coming to light with the commission, a lot of things are being spoken about.

01:07:28.200 The sad reality is that a lot of people still don't understand what truly happened in Ottawa.

01:07:36.760 Oh, the mainstream media has such a control over people and the information that they're putting

01:07:44.600 out that even with the commission going on, yeah, more information is getting out. But there's still

01:07:50.360 so many people that don't truly understand how bad it was.

01:07:54.520 No, of course, 100%. And, you know, the commission is there to talk about whether or not the emergency

01:08:00.280 cycle is necessary, not anything about the convoy. So I don't expect to see much more evidence to really

01:08:05.160 show what it was on the ground. But I think that our independent coverage, if people go to

01:08:10.120 convoyreports.com and look at all of your coverage during the convoy, all of our Rebel News

01:08:15.320 reporters' coverage during the convoy, they'll be able to understand. But what we just heard Chris

01:08:20.520 Deering say, like, I think it's even more impactful today on November 11th. During the ceremony, I mean,

01:08:28.680 veterans were beaten up by their own police force in Ottawa. This veteran who served in the Canadian

01:08:35.160 military was kicked, was punched, was thrown snow at. And today we saw thousands of people

01:08:42.600 going to honor the veterans who served for our country. But just eight months ago, we saw those

01:08:48.760 same veterans beaten up by police officers. We saw them disgraced by our prime ministers,

01:08:56.920 seeing that they are a fringe minority with unacceptable views. And our prime minister didn't even bother to

01:09:02.040 show up. So, you know, as a veteran, Tom, how do you feel?

01:09:05.080 Well, the important thing for me was that I got to attend. His presence was really irrelevant to me

01:09:13.960 as a Canadian. You know, and to think back to that day when Chris was arrested, they all linked arms,

01:09:21.640 all the veterans linked arms. And they communicated clearly to the police that they would not fight

01:09:25.960 back and that they were veterans. And all of them were wearing their medals. And a lot of them had their

01:09:31.960 regimental headdress on. So they're berets with their regimental badges. And the police still busted

01:09:39.480 through that line, right? And that's not the only video footage I've seen of police violently taking

01:09:44.920 the veterans to the ground. And, you know, you got to understand that in a lot of cases, if they're wearing

01:09:51.080 a star, if you see veterans with a star as one of their medals, not like a circular thing, that's a campaign

01:09:57.320 star. That's from Afghanistan. And so when you're seeing veterans, the average public or non-veteran

01:10:03.960 won't know what the medals really mean. But at the end of the day, if you see a star, that's a campaign

01:10:08.840 star from, you know, combat or being in the theater of war. And so to see the police do what they did

01:10:18.280 against those veterans that were linking arms, I just don't think it's excusable. I really don't.

01:10:26.520 And I struggled with this the whole time because here's the irony. Many police officers are also

01:10:32.680 part-time soldiers. You know, I know several, like I know dozens of police officers in the Niagara

01:10:39.080 region that are also part-time soldiers. And so how do you reconcile one treatment of one profession

01:10:45.880 over the other when you, in some cases, are both? Yeah. But there's no way to tell on that day who

01:10:51.480 is who. You know, I just know that police attacked unarmed veterans. That's all I know.

01:10:58.520 This is graceful to think of. Especially in that place. Yeah, it absolutely is.

01:11:03.080 All right. Moving on from this sad little portion. The inquiry has been going on for four weeks now.

01:11:09.320 You've been sitting there every single thing. I think some days you only come for half a day.

01:11:13.720 You come for a quarter of a day. But you've been sitting there for the past four weeks. And I'll

01:11:18.360 come to you after, Lincoln, as well. So looking back at the inquiry, is there anything that you've

01:11:23.800 heard in the evidence that surprised you? Or that made you think, well, why did we act like this earlier?

01:11:29.640 Or why did we actually do this? Is there anything surprising or shocking that you heard in the evidence?

01:11:34.120 Oh, that's such a great question. I think it's the general public that actually shocks me more than anything

01:11:43.320 four weeks into this. And our special guest every day who makes an appearance out front of the...

01:11:48.920 I think she took the week off, too. The one with the wagon who calls me a terrorist every time I walk by.

01:11:52.760 I haven't seen her all week, so she took the week off. I need to get some money. I need to start working.

01:11:59.240 Yeah, maybe she went to her real job. Yes, exactly. I think what's interesting is we still, after four weeks,

01:12:08.200 after four weeks, we still see this divide between about five different legal teams that talk about the inquiry.

01:12:15.720 They talk about the Emergency Act, the purpose that we're all here. And the other 15 groups,

01:12:21.720 they talk about covering their butts. It literally, you could just see them passing a hot potato from one

01:12:28.680 to another. And that's really, that theme has still continued. And we've got a very exciting week

01:12:35.160 coming up, I think. This is when we're going to hear from the intelligence community as well as

01:12:38.840 hopefully soon, to say, former Commissioner of the RCMP when she finds her moral compass and her

01:12:47.960 courage and decides to do the right thing and step down. But we're going to have an exciting week

01:12:54.360 coming up. But for the most part, I still think after four weeks, two big things. And I think this is

01:13:01.000 really important. I have absolute confidence in Justice Rouleau or the Commissioner Rouleau.

01:13:07.080 I think, personally, he is seeking the truth. And that, you can tell that when he asks the questions.

01:13:13.800 And I'm really impressed by the Commission Council as well. They are also, you know, ferociously seeking

01:13:20.600 the truth. And you can tell that in their questioning. The government lawyers, Justin Truro's lawyers,

01:13:28.440 they're all over the place. They're really all over the place. And I think they're constantly grasping

01:13:32.840 at straws. Our team, as usual, is doing phenomenally well. And I say that with full

01:13:39.800 disclosure of my bias. But it's a pleasure to watch. And every time he, you know, Brendan gets

01:13:45.720 up there, the whole chat group lights up. It's Miller time.

01:13:49.240 It's Miller time.

01:13:49.560 It's Miller time.

01:13:51.560 And so he goes up, and it's just a really, it's the best part of the day, to be honest,

01:13:57.320 when he goes up and he shreds people.

01:13:58.760 Oh, it is great.

01:13:59.560 And he doesn't do it maliciously. He does it very respectfully, very kindly.

01:14:03.000 Very cordially, yeah.

01:14:03.960 Very cordially. And it's just fun to watch.

01:14:08.120 No, it is. Well, I think, you know, there's something that she said.

01:14:10.440 There's four lawyers, apart from the Commissioner, there are four lawyers in the room that are there to

01:14:16.040 figure out whether or not the emergency side was necessary. You've got Brendan Miller, you've got

01:14:20.600 Eva Chipiuk, Keith Wilson, and Bathsheba Vandenberg.

01:14:24.120 That's for our team.

01:14:25.320 Yeah, that's for our team.

01:14:26.120 And those are all the Freedom Corp lawyers. And in addition to that, to be fair, you've got Alan

01:14:30.600 Hawner from the TDF, and you've got some other ones from JCCF as well. But everyone else, you know,

01:14:34.760 Paul Chairman, I think he's more focused on the virtue signal in the room and trying to make himself

01:14:39.560 live by Zig Zee Lee than to actually find out whether or not it was necessary. I think the OPS and

01:14:45.160 Peter Slole, you know, the counsel of Peter Slole, he's there for one reason, to make sure that

01:14:49.480 Peter Slole is actually treated fairly by the witnesses in the room. The other counsel of the OPS,

01:14:55.640 he's there to prevent a lawsuit or to be ready for a lawsuit. So yeah, I think you're totally right

01:15:01.480 in that sense. Lincoln, how long have you been watching? How closely have you been following the

01:15:08.040 proceedings in Ottawa?

01:15:09.080 Well, I've been catching up with it, just kind of, I've been watching a bit of your live streams. I've

01:15:14.120 been away for a bit also. So it's been a little bit tough as I was in Buenos Aires, Argentina,

01:15:20.040 covering a mayor's summit there. But I think just to add to Tom's point, Trudeau's lawyers

01:15:24.840 are all over the place, because it's become clear now, after what we've seen so far in the inquiry,

01:15:30.280 that there's no evidence, no justification for invoking the Emergencies Act. As you guys have

01:15:38.040 discussed quite a bit, there was not really any negotiations between organizers and the government.

01:15:45.960 You know, there was no, there was no real methods to try and, to try and deescalate the situation.

01:15:54.360 They basically just planned for the, they basically planned for the police enforcement that we saw on the

01:16:01.000 last two days, and that was it. So I think the main takeaway from everything is just that it's become

01:16:08.120 clear that there was, there's no justification for invoking the Emergencies Act.

01:16:12.600 Yeah, and you know, in terms of what you've been able to see, what, the same thing that I asked for,

01:16:18.360 Tom, you know, you were on the ground for close to a month, I believe, maybe even more than that.

01:16:23.320 You were in Ottawa, covering what was happening in front of Parliament. In terms of the evidence that

01:16:29.000 were shown in the testimonies from witnesses, and witnesses like Zeg Zili, or Catherine McKennedy

01:16:35.320 failed, Ottawa mayoral candidate, or Steve Bell, for that matter, Chief of Police, former interim

01:16:41.960 Chief of Police for the Ottawa Police Services. Is there anything that shocked you from what you've heard?

01:16:47.000 Well, I think just the veteran that we just showed the clip of, hearing his testimony, I think that's all

01:16:54.920 you need to see to show how out of line the police were. That's it. It's as simple as that, you know?

01:17:01.240 It's an unarmed, peaceful veteran who's handled that way. It's as simple as that.

01:17:07.480 I guess, just to finish your round table, Celine, you've been following closely, extremely closely for the

01:17:13.160 past, for the past two weeks now. Anything surprising, anything that shocked you that was really

01:17:17.960 extraordinary that you've heard? Yeah, just the fact that this is still going on, and despite this

01:17:24.120 being so obviously, despite all the evidence suggesting that it was entirely unnecessary for

01:17:30.680 the Emergencies Act to be invoked, I mean, that's the most surprising thing to me, is that no one has

01:17:35.400 just said it point blank. And again, I'm still, if I could put my money on it, I'm just waiting for

01:17:41.560 somebody, I don't know who, but for someone in their testimony to just sit down and be like,

01:17:46.360 this is all, this is all a ruse. Like, this is what happened. We obviously didn't use all the

01:17:52.440 tools in our toolbox. Like, you're the government. You're speaking on behalf of either municipal

01:17:57.720 legislation, you've got provincial, or you have federal. You have a lot of tools in your arsenal

01:18:02.920 that you can use. We've been in discussion about this, we've heard the testimonies, and still we don't

01:18:08.520 see anyone that's come forward and just been like, no, you're right. Actually, you're just right.

01:18:13.160 We shouldn't have done this, and these are the people that are really at fault. Because it is

01:18:16.840 like a hot potato. Exactly what you said. You see every single person, they're more incriminating

01:18:22.040 things, come to light, and yet they're of the same vein. So the hot potato just keeps on being

01:18:27.480 thrown to the next person that's going to catch it. And in their attempts to try and, you know,

01:18:32.360 make the people involved in the convoy with the protest as their enemies, the focal point of the

01:18:39.160 negativity, or who, you know, they try to paint this again, like it's some sort of misogynistic,

01:18:43.960 dangerous movement. That's when you see Brennan Miller come in and just absolutely slay them.

01:18:50.120 Like, just the narrative is like taken down, effective immediately. And then they have the

01:18:55.480 hot potato again, and you can see that struggle. He literally, when it's Miller time, you can just see,

01:19:00.920 you know, the people start moving around, they start swallowing, breathing heavier, because they know

01:19:06.280 that they can't, they just squirm, but they know that they're going to have to answer some tough

01:19:10.360 questions. Just like... I even think Justice Rulo likes watching when Brennan comes up there.

01:19:14.600 Oh, for sure. And the other day, I noticed when Brennan was up there, I was watching the other

01:19:19.080 lawyers, and they were like, get the popcorn. In fact, Dash Hebe and I were in, like, doing my

01:19:26.840 preparation for before I testified, and we were watching one of the other witnesses, and

01:19:30.600 made, I made a big pot of popcorn. That's right, you sent me a picture. And turned the camera,

01:19:36.120 and we took a picture of us watching it with the popcorn. So good. Yeah. That's right,

01:19:40.040 I saw that picture. That's true. All right, let's go to a quick ad break. When we come back shortly,

01:19:44.680 we will speak about what is to come in the inquiry, what you can expect from the next two weeks,

01:19:50.120 and then we'll part ways for today. So stay tuned.

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01:21:31.800 All right. CSIS. Let's talk CSIS for a second. CSIS. I've got a great interaction with CSIS recently.

01:21:43.960 CSIS, the Canadian Security Intelligence Services. That's right. CSIS is basically the anti-terrorism agency here in Canada.

01:21:52.360 CSIS. And well, Brendan Miller recently, in one of his cross-examinations, sneakily inserted a document

01:22:02.040 by CSIS. And well, let's just take a look at the clip of Brendan Miller showing his CSIS document

01:22:08.920 while he was cross-examining a witness. Take a look at that.

01:22:11.080 We have the clip. All right. Well, can you can you just before that document there on February or February

01:22:24.680 3rd, CSIS assessed. There is no indicators that known IMVEs, and I take it you know what that is,

01:22:32.600 actors were planning to engage in violence. And then if you scroll down to the other bullet points,

01:22:38.680 it states, on February 13th, CSIS advised that the implementation of the EA would likely galvanize

01:22:45.400 the anti-government narrative within the convoy and further radicalize of some towards violence

01:22:51.240 referring to the increase in violent rhetoric following the declaration of the state of emergency

01:22:55.880 in the province of Ontario. Furthermore, CSIS advised that the invocation of the EA by the federal

01:23:05.080 government would likely lead to the dispersing of the convoy within Ottawa, but would likely

01:23:10.760 increase the number of Canadians who hold extreme anti-government views and push some towards the

01:23:16.920 belief that violence is the only solution to what they perceived as a broken system and government.

01:23:23.240 Following the invocation of the EA, CSIS briefed cabinet and reiterated the potential for the EA to

01:23:28.840 increase anti-government views and violent ideologies including in those not yet radicalized. Now,

01:23:35.480 can you agree with me that you would never want to do anything that could create further

01:23:43.000 radicalization of extremists within the city of Windsor? Is that fair? I'm going to object to this

01:23:49.640 question on this document and object to this document being put to the mayor. Withdrawn, I'm done.

01:23:55.160 Brandon goes like this, just like Ezra, you know, something interesting is coming up.

01:24:04.600 No, you know, can you, can you vulgarize what we just saw?

01:24:09.320 Yeah. So essentially that document exactly explained that from CSIS, from Canadian intelligence, they

01:24:17.560 literally put in their two cents, which is worth a lot because it's literally CSIS. They practically said,

01:24:24.040 yeah, don't invoke the Emergencies Act. Negotiate with them because if you invoke it, it's going to

01:24:31.480 essentially, in my own words, it's going to make them lose more trust in their government. It's going to

01:24:36.760 put them in a position where those radicalized ideas would be. It obviously, it's just, yeah, it's,

01:24:45.800 it's, um, so don't invoke the Emergencies Act. Don't do that. Negotiate, do other things. And they

01:24:52.760 still didn't do that. And that was from CSIS. And then he withdrew it because he was being objected

01:24:58.520 against it. You don't see that right hook when it comes from him. You know, you miss it. Totally miss

01:25:03.080 it. It's in the evidence now. So right now when the commissioner, when the commissioner reviews the

01:25:07.240 reviews, the inquiry reviews the evidence, this is now on the record, this document, which is what is

01:25:12.760 important and brings us to, uh, next week. So next week we will see CSIS officials classified in front

01:25:19.240 of the commission. Um, what can we expect, you know? First, we should say what IMBE is, which is

01:25:25.560 Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremism or Extremists. So it's basically a really fancy acronym,

01:25:32.200 probably for terrorism, right? And so this is, this is the whole point. CSIS basically said,

01:25:39.320 hey, if you do this, you run the risk of further galvanizing anti-government, uh, beliefs and rhetoric,

01:25:48.920 and, uh, you, you know, you're basically feeding into the hands of IMBE. There are other categories

01:25:54.680 of it. And so next week when CSIS does come on to the stand, and, and I think there's more than,

01:26:00.840 there's a couple of witnesses from CSIS. I'm not entirely clear if the, the room is going to be

01:26:06.440 cleared or not. I wouldn't be surprised if, in some cases, some of the CSIS people are, uh, not

01:26:12.840 testifying in public. Well, there, there is one. Commissioner Rouleau did provide a decision in

01:26:17.960 sort of blackout from the public and ex parte in camera hearing for a few hours for some of the

01:26:23.720 CSIS officials. So none of us will be in the room at that time. But there is, you know, from my

01:26:30.840 perspective and I'm not, I haven't really discussed this too much with the legal team. Um, sometimes

01:26:38.120 I listen to some of the questions and I, and I feel like the, the conditions are being put into place

01:26:46.120 for this particular week coming up, because this is one we're going to hear from all of the secret

01:26:51.880 squirrels in the Canadian government, right? The, the spy agency, as well as the RCMP.

01:26:57.240 And the concern for me personally is that they get some sort of evidence into the courtroom that

01:27:06.360 we can't really tear apart. But in the public will not get a chance to examine that evidence themselves

01:27:14.200 and, and make their own individual decisions at home and what they believe is, is to be the case.

01:27:18.840 Yeah. And, you know, there's an enormous amount of evidence out there. Uh, so much to go through.

01:27:27.640 But my concern is next week that we kind of get ambushed by something dirty. And, and I just, I don't,

01:27:34.440 I just don't get a great feeling about next week for us. And I don't mean to say that I have any inside

01:27:40.440 idea that, you know, what there could be, because I know for a fact there is nothing. Yes. But it's the

01:27:45.560 government. But that's what we're talking about. I don't think it'll be negative, though. I think,

01:27:49.240 you know, we, we've seen some of the evidence shown by CSIS. We've seen some of the communication

01:27:54.120 they've had with the, uh, the cabinet, with ministers, with MPs, with the city. Uh, we see

01:27:59.560 how, what they were thinking of the convoy. You know, CSIS is the anti-terrorism agency in Canada.

01:28:04.040 It's basically what it is. Um, and if there's one person that can tell you whether or not the

01:28:08.680 convoys were, the convoy of protesters were terrorists, that's CSIS. And I truly look forward 1.00

01:28:13.240 to seeing their testimony next week. Uh, Lincoln, you know, we just said CSIS can tell you whether

01:28:17.960 or not the convoy of people were terrorists, but you were on the ground. Um, from what you've seen,

01:28:24.200 would you consider the protesters that were there domestic terrorists?

01:28:27.560 No. I think it's obvious. No. Like, if anyone that was actually there walking around

01:28:33.960 down Wellington Street, you know, in and around those pockets of the city, it's obvious that

01:28:38.360 that's not the case. One of the main examples I used to prove that that's not the case is the fact

01:28:44.040 that there was, uh, you know, like food stations, you know, all across the downtown core where

01:28:50.040 they were serving food to anybody, not just the protesters, not just the people involved with

01:28:54.840 the convoy, but to anybody in Ottawa, you know, whether you were a homeless person, a student,

01:29:01.480 anybody could go there and get food. You know, that's just one example. And another example is

01:29:07.080 the way that they, the protesters were cleaning the streets of Ottawa, shoveling the snow, you know,

01:29:13.640 the streets must've been cleaner during the three, three and a half weeks that the convoy was there

01:29:19.320 than Ottawa on a regular day. So I think it's quite obvious that the protesters were peaceful.

01:29:28.840 And I think it's interesting that CSIS knew that this was going to, you know, basically open more

01:29:36.360 people's eyes to the fact that, uh, there's overreach from the government with the emergencies act,

01:29:43.720 and it's going to push more people to, to that side where they can see that the actions taken by

01:29:49.320 the government are just not just. So, you know, the emergencies act is horrible and the way that

01:29:54.440 they did it was horrible. But I guess if there's any, it's tough to say, but if there's anything

01:29:59.800 good that did come out of it, it's how many more people were awakened from them invoking that.

01:30:06.920 Yeah. Well, I think it's great to have the insight of someone who was actually on the ground. You

01:30:10.040 know, we've been talking to Freedom Convoy. I don't even know how to call you. We're interns. We've been

01:30:14.040 talking to Freedom Convoy interns. That's what he says on my LinkedIn. He's a volunteer.

01:30:19.240 Students. We're Convoy students. Um, you know, we get your perspective, but then we can also get the

01:30:24.280 perspective of the actual protesters who are on the ground who speak with some of our reporters,

01:30:28.760 including you, including other of our rebel news journalists, uh, daily, every single day. So,

01:30:33.720 yeah, thanks for joining us today, Lincoln. Um, and if you guys want to see some of Lincoln's coverage

01:30:38.920 during the convoy, you can have to, you can head on to convoyreports.com and there you'll see a

01:30:44.520 bunch of videos from Lincoln, Alexa, uh, David Menzies, and a lot of other people. All right.

01:30:50.200 Thanks for coming on Lincoln. Stay tuned. We'll go to a quick ad break. And when we come back,

01:30:53.560 we'll discuss further, uh, the Emergency Act Inquiry.

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01:32:10.840 Welcome back. We are joined by a Rebel News reporter from Quebec, Alex Salavoie. Alex,

01:32:21.880 how are you doing? I'm pretty good, and you? Good, good. So yeah, so now we just spoke a little

01:32:28.200 bit about the evidence that we're going to see next. Well, not the evidence, the people that are going

01:32:31.720 to be classified next week. That's right, yeah. The great CSIS officials are going to be taking the

01:32:37.960 stand next week, and we spoke about, you know, the protesters on the ground and everything,

01:32:42.280 but the week right after that, the Liberal cabinet is testifying. Bill Blair, Justin Trudeau,

01:32:49.400 Krisha Freeland, Omar, the transport minister, Al-Jabra. That was hard for you. Yeah, David Lamedi,

01:32:56.680 Marco Mancino, and some others as well. That's what we're going to see in the last week of the inquiry.

01:33:02.120 We'll see testimonies from the cabinet ministers. What do you expect to see coming from them?

01:33:09.320 Well, I'd like to say that I expect, like, you know, a little bit of organized chaos where,

01:33:13.480 you know, Brendan Miller goes up there and, you know, cuts down the narrative a little bit,

01:33:16.600 which I suspect will be the case, but also just to see a lot more of the same. I mean,

01:33:20.920 this narrative that we're seeing, I suggest it's coming from somewhere, and since it was the

01:33:25.720 federal government that did invoke the Emergencies Act, and he had the support of the people around

01:33:30.600 him from what we've been able to gather. So I think that it's pretty clear that we're going to

01:33:34.440 see the same narrative, they're going to use the same words, and they're going to try and paint

01:33:37.480 the same picture. What about you, Alexa? What do you think? But the fact that they are at the last

01:33:43.720 week of all this commission, give them an advance because they see all the point of view from coming

01:33:49.800 from everybody, so they can be more prepared and more trained to do their testimony. This is the one,

01:33:56.600 the part that I'm a little bit afraid, since, like, everybody has passed before them. So I think

01:34:05.240 that gives them, like, an advance on everybody. But I'm pretty sure they would try to

01:34:13.560 to say that protesters and organizers were mostly lying that what they did was necessary, and I just expect

01:34:24.120 what we heard so far from the prime minister during the convoy, the same narrative and the same line of

01:34:31.720 thinking. And he would probably use the same tool that he did use. And for coming on what, like, Lincoln

01:34:39.160 was saying, you know, he was talking about the fact that, you know, I wanted to, I actually forget about it,

01:34:52.280 if I would come back to do that. But it was really important, because you mentioned something, and

01:34:56.920 I wanted to come back on it, because I think it's really important. But anyway, I will, that will come

01:35:03.800 back to me. Yeah, well, you know, just come back on the point that they're testifying last. That's

01:35:08.200 right. I don't think we'll have too much of an impact, dude, because we already saw a lot of revealing

01:35:12.840 testimonies. The lawyers were very, well, the lawyers prepared witnesses, such as Tamara Alicia,

01:35:17.880 extremely well. Their testimonies was very revealing. Yes, Justin Trudeau maybe did have

01:35:22.920 time to see what was happening before him, but I don't think it's going to be unfair,

01:35:25.480 especially looking at how Commissioner Rulo is conducting the commission. He's extremely impartial.

01:35:31.160 He's extremely neutral. He's able, as I said before, you know, you've got Paul Champ on one side

01:35:36.200 and Brendan Miller on the other side, and he's able to be neutral to both of them and treat them the

01:35:41.320 exact same way. So yeah, I think we're going to see a good outcome come out of this commission. I know we're

01:35:46.520 repeating ourselves every single day, but it's true. Like, I think we're going to see a good outcome.

01:35:51.080 Yeah. And you know, I think that you can't stop the truth either. Like, that's a really big part of

01:35:55.080 all of this. We understand what it was like to see firsthand the accounts of the people that were

01:36:00.360 there, a part of the convoy. We saw exactly how the police were treating these protesters, these

01:36:05.480 Canadian patriots, these people that were coming together for a common goal, a common ideology.

01:36:10.600 Despite their differences, it was literally the largest gathering that I've seen and will probably

01:36:16.760 see in my lifetime of people that all came for the same reason. It was people of different ethnicities,

01:36:23.080 backgrounds, identities, etc. Everyone was able to put their differences aside if they did have them

01:36:29.960 to come together for this common goal. So you can't stop the truth from coming out. I don't believe that.

01:36:34.680 I think that's why inevitably, no matter how much they try to suppress the evidence or object to it,

01:36:39.880 you literally just cannot break down or throw a veil over, so to speak, a truth that is so prominent,

01:36:47.000 prominent, such as what we saw in Ottawa. Yeah. And I just retrieved, like Lincoln mentioned,

01:36:53.560 that one of the best thing that this event did, it's opening the eyes of other people that

01:37:01.800 saw the overreach of the government. But also I wanted to add that this event and how the government

01:37:10.280 did react and treat the on-vaxx or these people were protesting, did create a big polarization,

01:37:20.360 more deep than we saw before. We had like really the people who wanted the freedom and we saw the people

01:37:29.400 who were really on the other side who actually paint that protest, those protesters as like criminal

01:37:37.880 and white nationalists and racist. And they never been on the ground with us. Like they never like

01:37:48.920 see all what's happening with their own eyes. They just follow the media. And we saw it in the

01:37:55.400 commission that I think it's Peter Slotty who mentioned the misinformation and disinformation

01:38:00.680 that was coming from the media. But this is for everything. This information was like so huge.

01:38:07.960 So the people who were looking at the media had a completely other like narrative than what we were

01:38:16.280 seeing on the ground. Yeah. Not only didn't Peter Slotty mention misinformation by the media, but

01:38:21.960 Jim, Jim Watson, mayor of Ottawa, well, former mayor of Ottawa said he relied on mainstream media to look

01:38:30.680 at, you know, the incidents that happened with people to look at the violence coming from the

01:38:35.000 protester. When he said that, well, the convoy created people that had their masks snatched away

01:38:41.000 from their face by protesters. And then Brendan Miller, I believe it was Brendan Miller who pressed him on

01:38:46.680 that said, well, did you see any of that yourself? Yes. And he said, I saw it in the media. You know,

01:38:51.560 it's all, it's all, it's all the media, everything they see in terms of violence that arose from the

01:38:56.280 convoy. They gather that information from mainstream media. No, I think it's very revealing and just

01:39:02.840 Shulu must be seeing that right now. Just to move on from this a little bit. I don't know how much time

01:39:09.160 we have left for this live stream, but I want to talk a little bit about Justin Trudeau and their

01:39:14.600 behavior. I don't have the list of clip in front of me right now. So if you can just take a look at

01:39:18.840 one clip that involves Justin Trudeau from this past, that we've seen in the past, that would be

01:39:24.600 great. Just take a look at that. I don't know if we have any clip by Justin Trudeau. I don't have a list

01:39:32.840 of clip in front of me. New testimony about what happened over the course of the Invoque

01:39:40.680 Commission, the Emergencies Act and the illegal blockades that were seizing Ottawa and indeed

01:39:46.360 places right across the country. We called this inquiry so that Canadians could see exactly why

01:39:53.240 it was needed to invoke the Emergencies Act and how when we invoked it, we invoked it in a way that

01:39:59.000 was responsible, limited and targeted on solving the problem as quickly as possible. We thank the

01:40:08.120 Commission for its ongoing work. We thank everyone who's participating. I asked from the very beginning

01:40:14.520 to be allowed to appear to share our perspective on this. This was an important and difficult moment

01:40:20.760 in Canada's history and it's important that the right lessons be drawn.

01:40:25.800 How absolutely insane is that? Like to have someone in a high position such as the literal, 0.95

01:40:34.280 the literal Prime Minister of Canada lie through their teeth saying that they have this commission

01:40:40.200 going on because the rest of Canada needs to see exactly why it was needed, why it was necessary for

01:40:45.160 the Emergencies Act to be invoked. And then you have every single person that has been, that has testified,

01:40:51.400 that's from the OPS, OPP. We had Windsor police. We had different city officials, provincially, federally.

01:40:57.320 No one has said or agreed. No one has agreed. I'll be more specific. No one has agreed with Trudeau.

01:41:03.480 The invoking the Emergencies Act was necessary. There have been times where they said it was helpful,

01:41:08.840 but not necessary. Again, to break it down, all of the border blockades were dissolved prior,

01:41:14.760 before the Emergencies Act was invoked. The only thing that went on continuously was Ottawa. And you

01:41:20.200 got to see that firsthand. You stayed with Lincoln the longest, I think, out of anyone and a couple

01:41:25.960 other people that went there to go and help film and just be support to rotate. I know you guys were

01:41:31.080 live streaming late at night. So you got to see everything from the peacefulness, the little

01:41:36.440 middle ground, and then to where the police cracked down. And you had, you were shot. You were shot in the

01:41:42.280 leg with a canister of tear gas. Isn't that right? Yes. And just, what do you want to expect from

01:41:50.200 Justin Trudeau? He lied from the beginning, like same before, like protesters arrived in Ottawa. They

01:41:56.280 are calling them fringe minority, who stole food from the homeless, who are like racist, misogynist,

01:42:05.880 and so on. Like I call by all names, people. And what I saw so far, it was just peaceful people.

01:42:15.400 And you know what? It's what I observed for the first time in my life, people coming from from different

01:42:23.560 walks of life and walk of life and be able to cooperate and not judge nobody and let their

01:42:32.600 different on the side to work all together for one goal is getting back their freedom. And this is

01:42:40.280 something that's bothered me because we talk about thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands of

01:42:46.440 people gathering at the same place. These people represent the society. In society, we have bad

01:42:55.640 people and we have good people. We have people who do like bad stuff. But why? Because one person

01:43:03.320 did one action. The thousands of other ones are the same. Since when we do that? Like,

01:43:12.200 it's the example like in the politics. Because one person in politics, in the group, did something

01:43:18.600 wrong. We just expose that person and say that that doesn't represent our party. But it's the same 0.84

01:43:26.040 thing that what was happening. And in the video, I was really finding it funny because you had like all

01:43:33.080 these bubble hell, they're doing that around like Trudeau. I was just like, this is hilarious, you know,

01:43:40.840 because Christian Freeland, she's always there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in the same time, like,

01:43:47.240 he is lying. He's lying since the beginning. And, and, and he's supposed to represent all Canadians. 0.97

01:43:54.520 Whatever your backs on backs, or you're different, you have different view, you should accept them. Same if they

01:44:02.840 not believe what you say, or they are disagreeing with with what you try to do. You represent all of

01:44:09.800 them. Like, same if they didn't vote for you, you represent them. So the way he was talking about,

01:44:18.760 first of all, he was putting all the protesters as on backs and terrible person, when we know that

01:44:25.000 there were where backs and it was mixed. Yeah, it was mixed. Exactly. And so 1.00

01:44:32.760 he just paint them as terrible person. And, and it was troubling to see that coming from the mouth

01:44:41.720 of the Prime Minister of Canada.

01:44:44.520 Yeah. Yeah. And there's, there's one person we saw in the video. It's minister,

01:44:48.760 defense minister, Anita Annan. I forgot to mention her. She's going to be identifying as well,

01:44:52.680 the defense minister, Liberal Party defense minister for the country of Canada. So we'll see

01:44:58.440 her testimony as well. But no, I fully agree with you, Alexa. And Justin Trudeau continues to try to

01:45:05.080 defend his decision to invoke the emergency, despite everything that we're seeing. Another thing too,

01:45:10.200 is that Justin Trudeau wasn't the one to call the inquiry. The inquiry is built in the emergency

01:45:14.840 side to make sure that there's no authoritarian leader, authoritarian leader that uses it,

01:45:21.640 that uses it unjustifiably, um, when it's not necessary, when you shouldn't use it. So it's not

01:45:27.240 Justin Trudeau who called the, the inquiry. Yeah, trying to make himself sound like some hero.

01:45:31.880 Yeah, it is.

01:45:32.440 Like, get out of here. Come on. 0.97

01:45:35.320 It's a fail safe built in the law to prevent authoritarian leaders from using it.

01:45:39.240 So it'll be interesting to see that as well. And third thing too, I'm wondering if he's

01:45:42.840 going to actually answer a question. You know, Justin Trudeau hasn't answered a single question

01:45:46.680 in seven years since he got elected. Imagine Brendan. Brendan's going to go up and he's going to be

01:45:51.080 like, um, um, water bottles, um, paper bottles. Um, it's, I can't wait to see like the actual literal

01:45:59.160 breakdown. It's lots of fragile masculinity behind this individual. So I can't wait.

01:46:03.800 Because we will be in the room and we will be able to ask them questions as they come out.

01:46:07.720 We'll be able to question them about their testimony, about the emergencies act and everything

01:46:12.280 else. So definitely stay tuned for that. All right. I don't know once again, how much time we have

01:46:17.000 left. If someone could tell, let me know in my ear, how much time we have left before we need to,

01:46:21.400 um, move away from this live stream.

01:46:27.880 So let's go to, yeah.

01:46:29.320 Oh, uh, I was just mentioning that it would be,

01:46:34.840 it was, will be like, they look delectable to see Justin Trudeau being asked for one real question.

01:46:43.800 You know, like we saw Justin Trudeau that media doesn't ask what we want to heard, but for once,

01:46:52.520 it will not have the choice. But I think it's like, Justin Trudeau is pretty good to not answer

01:46:57.800 the question when he's actually tough question. He's actually turning around. So we see like, if,

01:47:03.720 um, example, like, uh, TDF or, uh, other lawyer will be, will have actually enough time because as you

01:47:12.280 know, if they are not the one who decide how much time they have for asking questions, but I hope

01:47:19.480 they will have enough time to ask like question that we need, we need to, to ask.

01:47:25.320 They will. Don't worry about that. The commission is extremely fair. They've been granted standing

01:47:29.240 and everything. I really don't have any doubts in that regard at all, especially since they have

01:47:34.200 Brendan Miller and Bathsheba who are also cross-examining. So they're all working together

01:47:38.440 a little bit. All right. Thanks so much for coming in, Alexa. We will go to a quick ad

01:47:41.880 break. And when we come back, we'll have our editor in chief. She's going to rejoin us for

01:47:45.960 a quick segment and then we will be done for today. So stay tuned.

01:47:56.440 Freedom in 2022 is a great threat in Canada. We've got provincial governments that have stripped

01:48:02.440 away fundamental human and civil liberties in Canada. And we've got a federal government

01:48:07.960 that is censoring and controlling the media and even cracking down on the right to protest in ways

01:48:13.720 that are unprecedented in the post-war era. It's a fascinating but terrifying time if you're concerned

01:48:23.720 about freedom, concerned about your basic liberties right now. But we've got to do more than just

01:48:28.760 complain about it. That's why I've accepted the invitation to speak at the Rebel Live conference in

01:48:33.400 Calgary, November 26, coming right up here. I'm going to be speaking in particular about the state of the

01:48:38.520 media. It's controlled by the federal government and what independent media can do to hold power

01:48:44.920 to account, to stand up for our basic freedoms. I'm going to be there. I hope you'll come. You can buy

01:48:49.960 your tickets at rebelnewslive.com and I hope to see you there.

01:49:08.440 All right, we're back with Sheila.

01:49:12.280 Olivia in studio. I don't know if there's a connection issue with Skype, but I cannot see the

01:49:18.280 team in Ottawa. So if I call for a clip or anything like that, I can't see and I can't see if they

01:49:22.600 think I'm funny or if they think I'm ridiculous. So maybe, maybe we could fix that. I'd really

01:49:28.440 appreciate that. Thanks. Because I'm 100% flying blind right now. Guys in Ottawa, let me just say,

01:49:35.880 as sort of the head of all the journalists and sort of the coach of the journalists, I think I sort of

01:49:43.000 am. You guys are doing a fantastic job. It can, it can be taxing a little bit to have to sit through

01:49:53.880 this testimony and hear what is happening to good people firsthand and relive their experiences with

01:50:01.160 them. But I, I'm really proud of the work that you're doing and your, your attention to detail and

01:50:07.880 your speaking tree to power on behalf of all the people across the country who are wondering why

01:50:14.440 the mainstream media journalists are not doing their jobs. Thank you, Sheila. Thank you.

01:50:19.880 No, I think it's the important thing about us being here. I think it's having an alternative

01:50:24.200 view of the convoy and it's an alternative view of the situation. We see all the mainstream media

01:50:29.320 reporters looking at this from one specific angle, which is the convoy was bad. You know,

01:50:34.680 Justin Trudeau, good emergencies, like good convoy, bad. They're all looking at it that way. The

01:50:38.840 convoy terrorized people of Ottawa, the terrorized, terrorized citizens by providing food, by having

01:50:47.000 bouncy castle, by having trucks on the street. Yeah. Well, there's no, there's no variation to

01:50:52.280 their narrative. And we know that you can see it very clearly. Like clearly a part of me,

01:50:56.200 when we're in the room with them in the media room, that is, uh, here live at the commission,

01:51:00.600 the, the points that they really make, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll just, I'll be the one to say it.

01:51:06.520 That's fine. But, um, I was able to observe them actually laugh. Um, when certain people were called

01:51:12.600 to the stand and became very emotional while giving their testimony about the personal experiences that

01:51:17.080 they had. Yeah, exactly. And so, you know, I just kind of headphones on, turn that volume up a little

01:51:22.840 bit. Sometimes I would leave the room because it is very, very disturbing to see stuff like that happen,

01:51:27.320 where you have, um, a news agency so-called we'll say, um, where they're supposed to actually be

01:51:33.400 able to provide people with the truth and be able to broadcast the honest narrative. And you can see

01:51:38.520 that it's very distorted when it comes from them and it's clear within their actions behind that

01:51:42.440 room and behind closed doors as well. Yeah. That's why I'm so glad you guys are there. Um,

01:51:46.920 because that's the sort of thing that the public would never know about. You would never know that

01:51:51.880 you're dealing with the mainstream media who thinks honking is terrorism, but throwing a peaceful

01:51:57.000 protester in jail for 49 days is just the cost of doing business to bring back the boring order

01:52:04.040 to the streets of Ottawa. You guys, I, I think we're going to call for a quick ad though and see

01:52:09.160 if I can reconnect because I have no idea what's going on. Instead of calling for an ad, you know,

01:52:14.440 since the beginning we've been talking about helpful but not necessary, the phrase helpful but not

01:52:18.120 necessary, which is what we've heard, uh, what we've been hearing many witnesses say. But there's one

01:52:23.720 clip, clip number 10, if we could throw to that, let's take a look at that. It's, um, Patricia

01:52:29.080 Ferguson, OPS acting deputy chief, Patricia Ferguson stating under oath that the emergencies act was

01:52:35.800 helpful but not necessary. Let's take a look at what she said.

01:52:41.720 As I understand your testimony earlier, there were only two ways in which the invocation of the

01:52:46.760 emergencies act was of use to police in ending the freedom movement protests. One, it bypassed the

01:52:52.920 requirement to swear in officers from other jurisdiction, which saved a bit of time. And two,

01:52:59.000 it helped to procure the services of heavy rig tow truck operators. Is that a fair characterization of

01:53:05.080 your testimony?

01:53:06.120 Of my testimony? Yes. I do believe though, um, the seizing of assets was also helpful. The, uh,

01:53:12.360 can you expand on that? Uh, so the threat of seizing assets of, um,

01:53:16.360 Oh, right. Bank accounts and, uh, rigs and things like that. Okay. Uh, useful, but not necessary.

01:53:24.280 Yeah. Useful, but not necessary.

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01:54:49.800 Freedom in the year 2022 for me, folks, it means the return of Rebel Live. Now Rebel Live is an

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01:55:31.320 Need a new headshot in the worst way.

01:55:34.360 I think we ought to need one.

01:55:36.200 Yeah, I'm going to call for a couple of clips here, guys. I put it in the Skype chat or the

01:55:41.560 Slack chat, Olivia, just so you're not caught flat-footed. But were we able to find, and I know it's out there 1.00

01:55:49.080 pretty easily to grab. Justin Trudeau calling people names, saying that they're racist, sexist,

01:55:55.240 misogynist. I just want to show what he called people. And then let's talk about the impact that

01:56:01.000 actually had on people when he was calling them those names. Because, you know, he's a buffoon,

01:56:09.880 and we all know that. And I don't take him seriously, but the mainstream media sure does.

01:56:13.720 And so they repeat verbatim, without skepticism, because they have lost all journalistic curiosity,

01:56:21.640 the things that he said about the people in the convoy without ever actually talking to the people

01:56:28.840 in the convoy. Like, your prime minister can just call you racist, and your media then will repeat

01:56:34.040 it. And then all of a sudden, you're racist forever. And you get people who are like, I'm Sikh,

01:56:39.120 or I'm black, or I'm indigenous. Like, it's so obvious. But that's the state of the mainstream

01:56:47.680 media here in Canada.

01:56:48.780 Oh, you get a Métis grandmother called a white supremacist. And that's what you get when that's

01:56:54.680 what happens.

01:56:57.220 I think Olivia is having difficulty finding that clip. I should have called for it a little bit 0.96

01:57:01.460 earlier, put it in the Slack chat earlier. But anyway, let's go to clip 14. And if I scroll back,

01:57:11.120 I can give you a quick description of what clip 14 is. So clip 14 is Tamara Leach, 1.00

01:57:17.940 upon hearing that her prime minister had decided that she was a sexist, racist, domestic terrorist.

01:57:23.260 You can hear the emotional impact that this had on her. And quite frankly, it radicalizes people

01:57:30.640 against the government when you're like, no, I simply just think we should be allowed to have

01:57:36.460 as many people in our house for Christmas as we want. And that doesn't make me a sexist.

01:57:41.040 That turns people away from the prime minister. And hopefully, he'll find out the hard way at the

01:57:46.440 ballot box next time around. But let's go to clip 14, please.

01:57:51.560 I was becoming increasingly alarmed listening to my prime minister call me a racist and say that I

01:58:04.320 shouldn't be tolerated. I found his rhetoric to be incredibly divisive. And I'm a believer that if

01:58:13.940 you're a leader of a country, you have to lead all of your people, even if you don't agree with them.

01:58:21.980 And I just saw so much coming across Canada every day. I heard stories. People, at least three people

01:58:30.860 would tell me they were planning their suicides until we started the convoy. Or stories of people

01:58:36.840 that we were too late. I heard from families that were living in their vehicles because they'd lost

01:58:45.840 their jobs. I heard from people that had lost their jobs and lost everything. I have the tears of

01:58:54.920 thousands of Canadians on my shoulder who every day told me that we were bringing them hope.

01:59:02.180 I saw little old ladies praying on their knees on the side of the road. And I saw little children

01:59:10.900 holding signs saying, thank you for giving me back my future.

01:59:17.220 Just makes me so angry. Because imagine you've lost everything, you're living in your car,

01:59:22.540 you're contemplating suicide. And then your prime minister calls you a racist on top of it.

01:59:27.440 Never having met you, not knowing you. He is the prime minister, as Tamara rightly points out,

01:59:32.560 of all of Canada, not just of the liberal voters. And he is clearly the most divisive politician

01:59:39.260 since his father, who quickly turned the West against him as though we were ever for him.

01:59:45.980 But the remaining ones that were, he quickly decided that he didn't want anything to do with

01:59:51.300 the West. And here we are again, this Métis grandma from the West decided, 0.98

01:59:55.380 we've got to do something, we just can't do nothing. And for her troubles, she gets labeled as

02:00:02.420 literally one of the worst things on the planet. You know, it being called a racist means that you

02:00:07.820 are denying the inherent humanity of the person beside you. Like, I'm not sure what Tamara's religion

02:00:18.840 is. We never had that discussion. But I think she's a believer. And when you, when you judge people

02:00:25.200 on the color of their skin, beyond their character, you're denying the fact that they are an image

02:00:32.620 bearer of the divine. And I know that that's not Tamara. I know that it's not. But simply because

02:00:40.880 she stood up to the prime minister, her prime minister labeled her all of those things. And it's

02:00:45.240 just absolutely despicable. Shame on him. But but he's an idiot. So shame on all the journalists

02:00:51.400 who repeated it without any sort of skepticism whatsoever. They are responsible for Tamara's

02:00:58.360 tears as well.

02:00:59.800 I mean, I think that you just covered everything that we we had to say about all that. No, I think

02:01:06.660 that you're right. And we do have the flip of Justin Trudeau calling the truckers and the people

02:01:11.040 part of Freedom Convoy and what he says that are anti-vaxxers, misogynists, racists, far-right

02:01:18.000 extremists. Take a look at exactly what Trudeau said. Sure. Yeah. On sent que la sécurité est accrue

02:01:25.540 autour de vous. On sent que c'est plus dangereux peut-être en ce moment pour vous? On est dans un moment

02:01:32.140 difficile parce qu'on est en train de prendre des choix importants. On est en train de décider que oui,

02:01:38.920 on va s'en sortir de cette pandémie par la vaccination. Puis on en connaît tous des gens

02:01:44.200 qui sont en train d'hésiter un petit peu. On va continuer d'essayer de les convaincre.

02:01:48.320 Mais il y a aussi des gens qui sont farouchement opposés à la vaccination. Qui sont extrémistes.

02:01:52.860 Qui croient pas dans la science, qui sont souvent misogynes, souvent racistes aussi. C'est

02:01:57.640 un petit groupe, mais qui prend de la place. Et là, il faut faire un choix en tant que leader,

02:02:04.700 en tant que pays. Est-ce qu'on tolère ces gens-là? Ou est-ce qu'on dit, bien, voyons,

02:02:10.200 la plupart des gens, presque 80 % des Québécois, ont fait ce qu'il fallait faire.

02:02:14.180 Se sont fait vacciner. On veut revenir aux choses qu'on aime faire.

02:02:18.580 C'est pas ces gens-là qui vont nous bloquer. Maintenant, on est dans une quatrième vague

02:02:22.120 qui est presque entièrement des gens non vaccinés, qui remplissent nos hôpitaux à travers

02:02:27.800 le pays. À un moment donné, il faut mettre son pied à terre pour dire, excusez-moi,

02:02:32.300 là, mais il n'y a pas de débat sur la science.

02:02:36.200 Mais il y a un débat sur la science.

02:02:39.420 C'est la science. C'est la science. C'est littéralement la science.

02:02:42.100 La partie qui m'a vraiment déroulée ici, beyond le fait qu'il appelle les gens noms,

02:02:47.740 qu'il n'y a pas de parler. Il n'a même pas de savoir ce qu'il est dans leurs minds

02:02:53.280 ou on leur hearts ou what compels a person to leave behind everything and go all the

02:02:58.840 way across the country at their own expense because they don't know what else to do.

02:03:03.580 It's when he says they're taking up space. What does that even mean? That they shouldn't

02:03:10.660 even exist? Like, when you take up space, it's the fact that you are alive, that you're

02:03:15.800 existing, that you are composed of matter in the universe. There's a little bit of science

02:03:20.300 for you, Justin Trudeau, but he doesn't even want them to exist as atomic matter. Like,

02:03:26.100 what the hell is that? That's revolting. If he said that about anybody else, they'd be

02:03:31.820 calling him genocidal. But since he said it about people who are resistant to forced

02:03:35.880 vaccination, not anti-vaxxers, but people who simply believe in choice, it's just fine and

02:03:41.580 dandy because 80% of the people went along to get along. Well, it doesn't matter. Those 20%

02:03:48.500 of people have a right to exist. You just don't get to disappear them from society and

02:03:54.900 then claim tolerance.

02:03:57.780 I agree. It's just ridiculous to hear that. You're such a hateful speech. It's such a hateful

02:04:05.540 speech and it being broadcasted on television, widely accepted as an acceptable thing to say.

02:04:11.820 As you just mentioned, once again, that they take up space. How can anyone say that and be seen as

02:04:19.500 someone that's super nice, that's super tolerant? You take up space. And there's the other thing,

02:04:24.060 too. There's no debate on vaccination. The scientific method is literally to question everything. If

02:04:29.740 someone says something, if someone says the sky is blue, why is it blue? Yeah, why is it blue?

02:04:36.460 Yeah, exactly. It's a Socratic method. I love the Socratic method. Just asking why 50 times,

02:04:41.820 but it's true. You should debate. There's no reason why you shouldn't be debating anything.

02:04:47.180 Well, I just think that it's specifically really disgusting to have the prime minister of any country

02:04:51.980 actually label their citizens as misogynist, racist, et cetera. All of those terrible things that he said,

02:04:57.900 because at the end of the day, labels can be very, very dangerous. And it's not about even,

02:05:02.780 yeah, they're affected by these labels. Obviously, if you're being called a misogynist or a racist,

02:05:07.180 and you inherently do not hold any of those values, but it is just like we were talking about mainstream

02:05:12.900 media and other actual radicalists that hear those things. And then it's the way that they will treat

02:05:18.760 those people that becomes very, very dangerous. That's when you have the police that even if it's an

02:05:24.660 order and they're just following orders, they won't blink twice to throw down veterans because

02:05:29.640 their prime minister has labeled them as misogynist, racist, domestic terrorists.

02:05:35.380 So all in the name of doing their duty and upholding what they believe is right

02:05:39.480 is all channeled and funneled from a narrative that comes from who is supposed to be representing

02:05:45.400 the entirety of Canada. Justin Trudeau, ladies and gentlemen, thank you.

02:05:49.820 Thank you. Who's that horrible journalist there who just sat there and he was like,

02:05:54.540 yep, yep, yep, yep. Seems legit.

02:05:58.820 Yeah. And she interjected. She was the one who said extremists. And he's just,

02:06:04.260 she opened the door and he just like kicked it down like the Kool-Aid man and walked right through 0.98

02:06:08.060 it and started throwing around all sorts of names on everybody. Who is she that is so horrible 1.00

02:06:14.380 that she didn't say like, hang on for a second here. There are 6 million Canadians who you said

02:06:20.480 couldn't get on an airplane because they were unvaccinated, dirty people. Do you think that 6 1.00

02:06:28.080 million Canadians that you, that you're the prime minister of a country that has such a racist,

02:06:34.440 sexist, extremist problem that there are 6 million of them? Is there something wrong with you maybe

02:06:40.280 that you got elected by those people? She didn't even think about that. Like it was, speaking of

02:06:45.880 which that should move us onto a clip that I wanted to throw to you about the mayor of Coots, Alberta,

02:06:50.460 who said something similar. But let's go to, yeah, let's go to clip 15 because Keith Wilson,

02:06:59.160 lawyer for the convoy, he was questioned about the so-called hate speech coming from the convoy,

02:07:07.600 which by the way, there are no hate crimes charges against anybody within the convoy. I want to

02:07:12.260 point that out. Everybody keeps talking about how they're hateful and there was hate oriented

02:07:17.820 criminality or whatever the OPS said when they make up these new policing terms that aren't real.

02:07:27.140 He was asked about that and he said, ah, it's not these guys doing all the hate talking,

02:07:31.840 it's the prime minister. So maybe we can go to clip 15.

02:07:36.500 You agree. Hate speech has been codified in the criminal code, right?

02:07:40.880 Yes. And I find the prime minister's hate speech towards unvaccinated people and saying,

02:07:45.740 how do we deal with these people? Deeply troubling.

02:07:48.160 Right. So you, you don't agree then that threats against the life of somebody is, is,

02:07:55.700 is not a protected form of speech under the charter.

02:07:58.160 Uh, I do not believe that anyone either morally or legally should be threatening anyone else's life.

02:08:05.360 And I have received many death threats myself since representing the freedom convoy.

02:08:12.160 His responses are just great. Keith, it shows that he's a lawyer, you know,

02:08:16.020 the way that he just turned around the question when he was asked about the hate speech was just a

02:08:20.740 great response, great testimony overall from Keith.

02:08:22.900 Oh, okay. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah. I totally agree with you. We know Keith, um, we we've talked

02:08:31.080 to him, obviously we've conducted some interviews. Um, I've spoken with him personally as well. And

02:08:35.640 it's very clear, um, cause he was, it's a very unique, um, instance for people that are not aware,

02:08:41.040 but Keith is also in Ottawa at the time of the convoy. So he was there at the same time. And that's how he

02:08:46.660 was, uh, introduced to Tamara Leach, I believe as well. So all of those things came together in

02:08:51.620 conjunction at once. And now he's here providing a testimony as well as being here to defend the

02:08:57.000 people that he worked and knew personally on a personal basis every single day. Um, so what he

02:09:03.920 says in regards to, uh, hate speech and how the prime minister is literally just dead naming people

02:09:10.820 and it, it, it's horrible. Yeah. And just touch on that, you know, he's testifying and he's also a

02:09:17.400 lawyer. And there's a quick, quick thing that I'm going to, that I'm going to talk about. And I

02:09:21.380 don't think a lot of people know about this is very interesting. So there was a reason why Keith

02:09:25.640 was able to testify while still being a lawyer. So the way that the convoy, the convoy lawyers

02:09:33.180 organize themselves, they organize themselves following the British method. So they had a

02:09:37.660 solicitor and they had a barrister in Britain. That's what they usually do. The barrister is going

02:09:41.600 to be the one going, understand, cross-examining the witnesses, asking the questions,

02:09:45.880 talking to a judge and the solicitor is going to be the one doing the background work, doing the

02:09:50.440 paperwork. And Keith knew that there was a chance that he would be testifying. So he made sure that

02:09:55.940 him and Eva would stay back and do the work from behind and be in contact with Brendan and Bath,

02:10:01.740 Sheba Vandenberg and Bath and Brendan would be the ones testifying. It's a very interesting thing when

02:10:07.240 you think about it. Yeah. Keith is a long time freedom oriented lawyer from the West. So when he went to

02:10:14.980 Ottawa, it was no surprise for me to see him there and then, you know, trying to like to see, you know,

02:10:23.240 him being on the ground outside on the street with the protesters. No better lawyer to do it,

02:10:30.960 I don't think. And, you know, an eyewitness account, you know, he's got something the mainstream media

02:10:37.300 journalists don't have. And that's the fact that he was a witness to the things that went down in the

02:10:42.440 convoy when the mainstream media journalists were like, oh, no, icky, blue collar people are in our 0.60

02:10:47.360 city, which is going to sit in our cubicles all day, nice and toasty and warm. While the most

02:10:51.960 interesting story in the entire world was unfolding on the streets right in front of him. Like, think

02:10:56.240 about how terrible of a journalist you have to be when the most compelling, interesting, largest human

02:11:03.480 rights demonstration in the entire country, in the history of the country, is unfolding on the street,

02:11:11.580 right outside of your office and you're like, gross. No, thanks. No, that's right. The CBC Ottawa office

02:11:21.420 is located on Spark Street right next to Parliament. We keep walking past it every single day. It's very

02:11:27.020 funny to walk past it, but in regards, their office is literally on the street right next to Parliament.

02:11:32.260 There's Parliament, Wellington, Sparks. So if they wanted to get some eyewitness accounts from the

02:11:40.200 convoy, all they had to do was get up from their little cubicles, walk outside, open the door,

02:11:46.220 take their camera, and look at what was actually happening. They were right there.

02:11:50.000 Well, you know, interestingly enough, what I was able to observe while I was there in Ottawa in the

02:11:53.860 beginning, too, is the only times that I really saw them there and like with their cameras was from

02:11:58.820 behind police barricades. That narrative, the way that you choose to paint a picture is very,

02:12:04.980 very important. So they're live streaming from behind a police blockade that was just put up

02:12:10.820 there because there were so many people around Parliament. So of course, just to be able to put

02:12:14.820 a little bit of separation and to create a path for people to go into. But it looks like there's

02:12:20.400 actual crazy stuff happening because the first thing you see is a barricade and then you see a bunch

02:12:25.640 of police officers and police cars. And then you just see people all over the place. There's no

02:12:30.480 context. It's just what they're saying. We were in the crowds. We were talking to people. They

02:12:36.400 couldn't do that. They wouldn't. And the times that they were in the crowd, they were masked up and

02:12:40.500 like terrified of the people around them. And yeah, of course, no one's going to give them an

02:12:45.300 interview because they knew exactly how they would be portrayed.

02:12:47.780 Oh, you remember at the UCP AGM, Celine, you and me, I'm like, oh,

02:12:52.940 mainstream media journalists. Mainstream media. There's one right there. Why? I don't,

02:12:56.940 I don't know who they are. I don't care who they are, but they're all wearing masks.

02:13:00.300 Tables of masked people. Yeah, totally.

02:13:03.140 You could tell, you could tell them like, oh, there's the like post media Toronto,

02:13:08.620 like the Toronto star aisle. And then there was like the like four cool kids, conservative

02:13:13.740 journalists that were just like living free and having fun. Like you could see there was like a

02:13:17.580 division. It was completely like that. And it's like that everywhere you go with these people,

02:13:23.060 like they, they stand, they take pictures of the crowd, like they're taking pictures of

02:13:27.420 wildlife, but dare they go actually talk to them or like see that they're normal? Because I think if

02:13:34.160 you actually talk to them, it would undo your preconceived notions about them. Right. And so

02:13:38.300 you don't want that. You want them to be the extremist. You don't want to go talk to them and find out

02:13:43.100 that they're married to a black man or whatever, you know, like you want them to be the like scary 1.00

02:13:48.360 racist person in your head. And if you go talk to them, you're going to find out otherwise. So

02:13:52.520 why would you do that? Why would you go looking for the truth? Yeah, exactly. And I think it's

02:13:56.720 really funny again, just to point out about like mainstream media is just like the masks,

02:14:02.040 like their narrative that they created about protesters, ripping masks off of the other people

02:14:07.380 in Ottawa. Listen, there was like no one with a mask on around those crowds, no one at all. And

02:14:12.880 the few times that I saw them on police officers or mainstream media people, there was nobody reaching

02:14:18.440 out over police barricades. Can you imagine ripping anything off of a police officer and getting away

02:14:23.060 with it? I'm reliable. I'm reliably informed that that's assault in battery. And so if that did happen,

02:14:29.280 you could, that's a charge, right? Like you don't have to like invoke the emergencies act because

02:14:35.020 even if it were happening and I don't believe it was because that's insane. Nobody's doing that.

02:14:40.900 When you see somebody wearing a mask still, I'm like, sad, very sad for them. But like, but if that

02:14:47.800 were happening, you don't need the emergencies act. You just need to go charge them with assault.

02:14:51.420 That's assault. When you get like, if you walk, if I walked up to Celine and yanked her hair,

02:14:56.360 you go tell a cop, the cop charges me with assault. Done, done, done. You don't need a wartime law for that.

02:15:02.620 That's the dumbest thing that I've ever heard. When I heard that, I was like, okay, that definitely

02:15:06.980 didn't happen. But even if it did, that's assault. That's not war measures. Yeah. Well, again,

02:15:13.380 it is the same people that are classifying the bouncy castles also as being inherently dangerous

02:15:17.900 and life threatening. So it makes sense a little bit to me. What a boring town. William, you live

02:15:22.360 there. Is that town as boring as I think it is? Yeah. You know, everyone keeps talking badly about

02:15:28.320 Ottawa. I've been trying to convince people to move to Ottawa. That's my, here's my pitch for

02:15:33.780 people. It's a gorgeous city. It's beautiful, but it's corrupt. But I don't like it. But it's

02:15:39.920 corrupt. I like the look of the town. The Parliament Hill is just fantastic to watch.

02:15:45.160 Rideau Canal is great to go run there. But it's corrupt. It's corrupt to its core. It's a political

02:15:51.180 town. It's government people that are there. So that ruins it a little bit. I like it.

02:15:55.180 Come to Alberta. I don't mind. Yeah, I want to taste the freedom. I want to move to the great

02:15:59.820 province of Alberta once. Speaking of politicians that completely libeled protesters. Thank you.

02:16:11.720 Speaking of terrible politicians and bureaucrats. Let's go to, I think it is the clip. It's one of the

02:16:20.440 last ones in the, in, uh, what did I write down? Sorry. Uh, is it clip 13? The mayor of

02:16:28.540 Coutts? Coutts, Alberta. Um, where simultaneously as the convoy was going on, for those of you

02:16:37.140 who don't know, um, some truckers and farmers and locals and thousands of their friends, um,

02:16:44.300 were engaged in a sometime blockade of the main border crossing in Alberta and Montana. Coutts,

02:16:52.400 Alberta and Sweetgrass, Montana. They really operate as one town because there's really not

02:16:56.300 enough people on the side to facilitate all the services that you need. But farmers were doing

02:17:01.560 that. Truckers were doing that. Locals were doing that. People were coming from all around to support

02:17:06.460 them. Uh, some of the most beautiful imagery of just the, the people on horseback holding the Alberta

02:17:11.920 flag coming in to help bitterly cold. We have a documentary. If anybody would like to see about

02:17:17.380 our journalist time there, it's at Alberta. No, sorry. Trucker documentary.com. Um, so you can take

02:17:24.760 a look at that there, but the mayor of Coutts had some unkind things to say about the people who are

02:17:34.840 blocking the border. And I think this is kind of ridiculous because he's the mayor of a village

02:17:41.020 where, um, I think it's fewer than 300 people live there. 250 people. 250. Yeah. So yeah. Half the

02:17:51.500 size of mirror Alberta, which I think is like 500 people on a good day, 1500 if they're having a

02:17:57.620 protest, but, uh, but, um, he had, he had some unkind things to say about his own residence. And

02:18:04.220 again, I, uh, I I'll draw some comparisons to him and Justin Trudeau shortly after, if we want to roll that

02:18:09.840 clip. Why did you describe the protesters as domestic terrorists? When I look for the definition

02:18:16.620 of a domestic terrorist, these people seem to fit that bill. And yet no one ever labeled them that.

02:18:24.600 You felt they were, they were terrorizing people by their behavior. Because they were causing

02:18:30.660 harm to the country. Do you still have the same view that the truckers were domestic terrorists?

02:18:36.280 Yes. I think whoever okayed blocking the highway was possibly.

02:18:43.340 Wow.

02:18:45.120 The answer is like a liberal though.

02:18:47.980 Yeah. That guy is not a very bright man. Um, I think in his testimony, he said, um, just in his own,

02:18:53.960 uh, anecdotal evidence, although I think it would really be quite easy to pull a town of 250. You can

02:18:59.460 just like go knock doors one afternoon. Um, but he said, uh, roughly 70% of the people in his town

02:19:07.580 supported what the truckers were doing. That's right. Yeah. Which means, which means that he is

02:19:12.220 the mayor of a town that supports domestic terrorism. And, um, if he were a more reasonable man,

02:19:21.560 like, look, if I were the mayor of a town that was all of a sudden supporting homegrown Al Qaeda,

02:19:28.460 which is domestic terrorism, like if you're actually going to use that word, let's talk about

02:19:32.620 it. If you were the mayor of Omar Cotterville, I would be like, uh, I don't want to be the mayor

02:19:39.040 here. I don't want anything to do with these terrorists, but him. Yeah. He's happy. He's going

02:19:44.160 to be the mayor of the village. It's fine. I hope they punish him, uh, handily at the ballot box for what

02:19:50.400 he said about his community. Um, because somebody who thinks he's the mayor of a town of domestic

02:19:55.140 terrorists, um, he shouldn't have that job. You should be the most proud of your, of your community.

02:20:00.780 And he's clearly not. Well, here's the thing, you know, I asked him that question. If you say that

02:20:05.780 70% of them are domestic terrorists, does it mean that you think that you're the mayor of a terrorism

02:20:10.840 sporting, uh, sporting town? He said, if you want to flip it that way, that's fine. But anyways,

02:20:15.880 if you actually do the math for a second, 70% of two 50 is one 75. So it means that in his

02:20:21.040 community, one 75 of the people were supporting so-called domestic terrorism and only 75% were

02:20:28.500 opposed to the coup movement. This is what I found so confusing about his testimony because he said

02:20:35.460 this during the testimony. And then in his closing statement, he was like, yeah, like I, I support them.

02:20:40.840 Like I totally support them. It was just when it started to affect my village, you know, and local

02:20:46.960 locals were impacted. I was like, you know, that's a real like Alberta thing. Like this is just a

02:20:52.380 really big family to say that. And then he like goes and backpedals again. And he's like, but yeah,

02:20:58.480 they're basically like domestic terrorists though. Like the ones that were blocking the highway.

02:21:01.700 It's like, but make up your mind, please. I'll give him, I'll give him credit for answering the

02:21:07.440 questions because he was at least able to answer the questions. Well, he's the mayor of coots. Like

02:21:13.480 we'll just come find them. Like answer the question, answer the, answer the questions or we're coming

02:21:19.080 to coots again. But, um, you know, I, it's funny that he accused the truckers of inconveniencing the

02:21:26.560 town of coots because really at the end of the day, as our, um, trucker documentary shows, it wasn't

02:21:32.940 the people of coots being inconvenienced by the blockade by the truckers. It was the people of

02:21:40.100 coots being inconvenienced by the blockades put up by the RCMP, which were preventing people from

02:21:44.880 coming in to the slightly larger town of milk river. They were being cut off and starved out.

02:21:51.820 They couldn't get supplies. They wouldn't bring in diesel. Um, it wouldn't bring in like card lock

02:21:56.840 trucks of diesel trucks. Um, they were being cut off by the RCMP. And that's what the convenience was.

02:22:04.840 We have people in key and Simone documentary saying they couldn't get their nurse to come in on the

02:22:11.900 highway because of the RCMP blockades, RCMP that caused the inconvenience at coots and not the truckers.

02:22:20.780 They were letting ambulances through. They were letting, um, other trucks through. They were letting the

02:22:26.220 school bus through because like I said, it operates as like one town, the two communities. It wasn't

02:22:31.660 the truckers who were the domestic terrorists. We're going to stick a label there. Might've been the RCMP

02:22:37.100 causing all the problems down there, which means that I have a beautiful segue into the next, um,

02:22:43.820 next clip about coots because right now in Alberta, our new premier Daniel Smith is like, maybe we better

02:22:50.120 get a provincial police force. And I was like, you know what? I don't want to spend the money, but I also

02:22:54.500 don't want Justin Trudeau's RCMP around here enforcing his gun laws. I'm listening. Um, but

02:23:00.420 then when I heard this, I'm like, yup, kick them all out right now. Give the existing RCMP who live

02:23:06.400 and work here, write a first refusal for those jobs, but get rid of them all. And this is why we've got

02:23:12.900 a clip about, um, undercover cops bringing guns to the blockade. Let's show that clip, please.

02:23:21.060 This is so good.

02:23:26.820 Olivia.

02:23:26.980 Call her. Are you here?

02:23:28.980 Okay. Was it your understanding that that group, their plot was to have two females smuggle in,

02:23:39.700 in a hockey bag, a whole bunch of guns into the protest? Is that what your understanding was?

02:23:44.020 I have actually no understanding of the undercover operations or the intelligence gathering operations

02:23:48.820 of the RCMP. The level of detail that I was briefed at was really of the existence of threats

02:23:54.740 within, within the group that were potentially more violent and that they had the intelligence

02:24:00.420 to indicate that they were armed and planning to do, uh, violence in relation to the police,

02:24:05.380 should an enforcement action take place. Right. But are you, after the fact, aware that,

02:24:10.180 uh, the two females that they were intending to have smuggle in these firearms were actually two 1.00

02:24:15.860 undercover RCMP officers? I apologize. I just have no detail, uh, in terms of the actual criminal file

02:24:22.340 or the investigation itself. Uh, quite carefully, uh, avoided, uh, that level of interaction

02:24:30.020 with the police and kept it at a higher level.

02:24:34.260 He very carefully avoided that level of interaction with police. He says very carefully,

02:24:39.540 you know, so as not to be incriminated potentially.

02:24:42.100 We call that plausible deniability because the less, you know, the less you can be forced to testify to.

02:24:48.500 And it sounds as though it was entrapment and they were using women, uh, to do it, which is, uh, the old 1.00

02:24:57.220 honeypot trick. Um, you use women to entrap men, which is gross by the way, gross policing, um, and 1.00

02:25:06.260 having them smuggling guns to sort of entrap the people in the convoy. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

02:25:14.340 When I hear that, I'm like, yeah, get them all out, get every single one of Justin Trudeau's RCMP

02:25:19.620 out the good cops. And there's a ton of them out here, especially in the rural communities because

02:25:23.780 they have to live and work in the communities. Their kids play hockey with you. They don't like

02:25:27.780 this stuff. You meet them down at the gun range. They're normal people who believe in law and order

02:25:31.860 and charter rights. I don't think they want to be associated with this kind of stuff. I definitely don't.

02:25:36.820 So, you know, when Danielle Smith says it's going to be a little expensive to kick these guys out, 1.00

02:25:40.580 I don't care. Get them out, get them out. I don't want any part of them.

02:25:44.340 Yeah, I agree. Okay. William agrees. It's unanimous for sure. But since this is the province that I'm

02:25:52.820 going to be living in, sorry, I do live in, I feel like I'm so far away in like a wonderland

02:25:56.980 over here in Ottawa, a hundred percent, get them out. When again, every time he takes to the stand,

02:26:02.740 there's just like this, everyone's holding their breath. They don't know what Miller's going to do,

02:26:06.660 what he's going to say, what the outcome is going to be. I was honestly shocked. I was shocked

02:26:11.780 tweeting this out. I was like, this is the best thing that's happened in the last five hours,

02:26:16.260 a hundred percent. That's so big. But of course, you know, it's not shocking that he's like, I have

02:26:21.140 no idea what you're talking about. I don't know what's going on ever. It's like, what position,

02:26:25.700 why are you in the position that you're in? Who put you there? Is this still more self-appointed

02:26:30.660 bureaucrats? You know, it's like, if you're not there in that depth of level of operation that's going

02:26:36.740 down, why are you even testifying? What do you have to provide that somebody below you

02:26:41.300 couldn't do themselves who was actually on the ground? It's ridiculous. Do you two Albertans

02:26:46.020 think that the coup's bucket would have been dealt differently with a provincial police force?

02:26:49.780 A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Although I will give them credit for the obviously hinky things

02:26:58.180 that some people in the RCMP, and I'll give that RCMP brass, as opposed to the local detachment,

02:27:04.420 um, outside of that, like the stuff that we just heard, the reason I say give the existing RCMP

02:27:11.700 members right of first refusal for those jobs in a provincial police force here in Alberta

02:27:15.540 is because outside of that, the cops were really good, really, really good. And you can see that on

02:27:21.300 the last day of the blockade, where it's shaking hands, it's hugging, it's decency, because they live

02:27:29.620 and work in those communities. They know those people on the other side of the blockade from

02:27:34.100 them are not criminals. They're good people. They're their neighbors. Their kids go to school

02:27:38.660 together. And, um, that, that's what I think it's a little bit different in rural communities because

02:27:44.420 you have a lot more closeness to the cops than you do in the city. You might not know the cops there,

02:27:50.500 but it's different. And I think it would have been handled much, much differently had it been a

02:27:55.620 provincial police force. Definitely. And we did also see from Marco van Huguenbos, his testimony as

02:28:02.740 well, that he clarified on multiple occasions, how good of a, of a rapport they had between them,

02:28:09.060 the RCMP officers, the protesters that were there in, um, in Coots and in Milk River. Again,

02:28:15.860 there was like, at the end of the day, the, the charges that they're facing are absolutely ridiculous

02:28:21.380 and heinous, but what happened outside of that, because that just happened in a very short amount

02:28:25.620 of time as well. Those arrests came on the night of the 13th. So early in the morning on the 14th,

02:28:31.380 when the emergencies act was invoked, though, it had nothing to do with the invocation of the

02:28:35.060 emergencies act because the, the Coots blockade had already been, it was, uh, dissolved at that time.

02:28:41.140 They were packing up, they were leaving, they were doing their due diligence to make sure that they

02:28:45.380 had all of that huge machinery be taken out. Um, because it's a process people have to remember

02:28:51.220 that the conditions were insane. The snow, the, the, the cold, the, the black ice on the roads,

02:28:57.620 you're driving massive trailers, tractors, and semis out of those areas. It's not going to be

02:29:04.020 lickety split on a dime, but as they moved out within hours, that's when those arrests took place.

02:29:09.140 And I think that's, it's horrible. And, uh, I do want to see justice for them and accountability.

02:29:15.380 And we know in Alberta, we don't, we never needed the emergencies act because we have

02:29:19.540 the critical infrastructure defense act, uh, under which, um, Pastor Art Poloski was charged for

02:29:25.220 giving a sermon. But I'm, we do have a law that's designed initially, uh, to stop eco-terrorists from

02:29:33.460 dismantling pipelines and attacking work sites with hatchets as they do in Northern British Columbia.

02:29:39.860 But we have that law here and it would apply to major highways as well. We didn't use that.

02:29:45.220 We just didn't need it, uh, to deal with the truckers. Um, apparently we needed it to deal

02:29:51.940 with a pesky pastor though, which doesn't make any sense, but we definitely didn't need the

02:29:56.180 emergencies act and the Alberta government has intervened in the commission to say as much.

02:30:00.820 I think Olivia is telling me that we need to wrap up. You guys have stuff to do. I'm sure.

02:30:05.380 Um, thank you, Celine for working. This is a statutory holiday here in Alberta. Um, but you're out there

02:30:12.020 in, I guess, Ontario where they don't actually care about veterans, uh, at least the government,

02:30:17.380 not the people, uh, don't write me letters. Uh, guys, thanks so much for the work that you're

02:30:22.340 doing. Thank you so much for, uh, doing the live stream every night. It's difficult to do an hour of

02:30:27.380 live TV every single day and think on your feet. Thanks, Olivia and Efron for putting the show

02:30:32.340 together all the time. I realize it is also difficult and you're doing other things at the

02:30:36.660 company too. Uh, thanks so much to everybody who's tuning in. Thanks for staying with us as we are over

02:30:41.220 halfway done. What we're calling the trucker commission. If you'd like to see all of our

02:30:45.620 previous coverage and support the work that these two superstars are doing in Ottawa, please go to

02:30:50.980 trucker commission.ca. I think that's, uh, everything guys. Let's sign off. You guys go

02:30:56.820 do whatever you're going to do work. Obviously I know it. Thank you. Yeah.

02:31:03.140 And as David Menzies always says, stay sane.

02:31:11.220 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - November 11, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission midway mark Rebel recap

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