Rebel News Podcast - Canada's little-known carbon tax and climate change deal with France

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00:01:27.460 Did you know that there is something called a Canada-France climate partnership?

00:01:32.980 The mainstream media hasn't had a lot to say about it, have they?

00:01:36.580 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:39.420 The Canada-France Climate and Environment Partnership, as it's known, was signed in 2018.

00:02:02.500 Under the partnership, the parties have committed to pricing carbon emissions and developing green finance initiatives.

00:02:11.460 Now, I'm sure you, like me, you haven't heard a lot about this.

00:02:15.100 While our largest trading partner, the United States, is busy repealing regulations and refusing to cripple their own economy with a carbon tax.

00:02:23.060 Now, Canada instead is making green deals with small trading partners like France to cripple our oil industry back home with a carbon tax.

00:02:31.420 While Canadians have rebelled against the imposition of a carbon tax, the Liberals in Ottawa were disregarding the will of the people and fighting non-carbon taxing provinces in court

00:02:42.140 because the Liberals signed on to an agreement with France and no one's been talking about it in the mainstream media.

00:02:50.240 The one really great analysis that I've seen about this climate partnership has been from our friends at Friends of Science Society.

00:02:58.420 And given the focus on climate change at Davos at the recently concluded World Economic Forum, I thought, let's have them on.

00:03:06.060 So joining me tonight to talk about the Canada-France Climate and Environment Partnership,

00:03:11.680 all the weirdness at Davos, and several other really great reports being put out by the Friends of Science Society

00:03:19.740 is my friend and good friend to the show, Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:03:24.260 So joining me now from Calgary is my friend, Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science Society.

00:03:38.880 Michelle, it's been a while since you've been on the show, and I wanted to have you back on.

00:03:44.120 There's so much in climate change news to talk about.

00:03:48.200 The first thing I want to talk about is closer to home.

00:03:51.160 We often talk about these climate change issues as, you know, this global scheme to control our lives, and really it is.

00:03:59.440 But you guys have a new report out.

00:04:02.380 It's called Fear and Loathing, and it's on the Alberta inquiry into foreign-funded attacks on Alberta's oil and gas industry

00:04:12.340 and the Canadian natural resource sector as a whole.

00:04:15.020 And you guys have sort of debunked some of the left-wing myths around it.

00:04:19.980 Right. Well, presently, first of all, Happy New Year. Thanks for having us on the show.

00:04:24.180 Yes, you too.

00:04:25.700 But presently, we see many NDP people are speaking out against the Alberta inquiry.

00:04:32.080 Lots of people are saying, oh, it's a waste of $30 million.

00:04:34.780 They don't seem to notice that there are $19 billion in pipeline projects stopped in Canada because of the tar sands campaign.

00:04:42.020 So last fall, we issued a report called Fear and Loathing, how Alberta went from being a prize, a precious jewel in the Canadian technological and engineering world, to a pariah worldwide.

00:04:57.000 And in it, we simply go step by step through the development of this foreign-funded campaign, which also became a domestically funded campaign.

00:05:06.560 But its roots are in the foreign funding and how it has incrementally damaged our reputation worldwide.

00:05:14.000 And it's really just a green trade war.

00:05:17.540 Like, you know, many Canadians are very geopolitically unaware because our closest geopolitical partner is the U.S.

00:05:24.560 But, you know, if you were in Europe and you understood, oh, Europe buys all of its oil, gas, and coal from the Middle East and dictator nations, you know, funny they don't do business with us, you know, then things start to make a bit more sense if you look at the broader picture.

00:05:39.960 So that report is out.

00:05:41.500 We also did a video related to that about Sipora Berman at COP in Madrid, where she was claiming that she's going to get a fossil fuel, what did she call it, like injunction worldwide. 0.57

00:05:59.260 So, you know, these are serious things because, you know, we need fossil fuels.

00:06:04.320 I'm not an industry advocate.

00:06:05.680 I'm an advocate for ordinary people.

00:06:07.700 You're a humanity advocate, I think.

00:06:10.180 We just went through nearly two weeks of sub-minus 40 degree temperatures.

00:06:16.540 Without fossil fuels, a great number of us would be dead.

00:06:20.000 That's just how it is.

00:06:21.780 Yeah.

00:06:23.000 So, anyway, those two items are out there.

00:06:26.500 Hope people have a look at them, consider them.

00:06:28.400 You don't have to agree with us, of course.

00:06:29.920 But, you know, I think when you see the bigger picture drawn in those reports and that video, you'll get a sense of really what's going on.

00:06:38.600 Yeah.

00:06:38.840 You know, when Berman was in Madrid for the UN Climate Change Conference, same time myself and Kian were, she was protesting the Tech Frontier Oil Sands Mine, which has agreements with every Indigenous group that it remotely touches, and even some that it doesn't.

00:06:58.080 And they did that ahead of time.

00:07:00.180 And yet Berman shows up there with people from Indigenous groups who are very obviously, based on their cultural garb, from the West Coast, i.e. Haida Gwaii.

00:07:11.040 And they're protesting against the jobs of the Indigenous people in the Fort McMurray area.

00:07:19.920 It's just very bizarre to watch.

00:07:21.840 It's like environmental colonialism, is what I think it is.

00:07:25.380 Yeah, it is eco-colonialism.

00:07:27.760 It is.

00:07:28.140 And, you know, we live in a society with many conflicting needs and demands, but a fundamental thing is that people do need energy and they need jobs, and there's nobody else in our competitors out there who are sacrificing themselves in the way that Canadians are over climate change.

00:07:46.080 None of them.

00:07:46.580 So, we're in the top five, six, seven, eight competitors in delivery of oil, gas, and coal worldwide.

00:07:55.560 And whoever it is out there that's crushing our economy, they're doing a very good job.

00:08:01.540 And a lot of naive Canadians, probably very well-meaning Canadians, are helping them.

00:08:06.220 So, think twice, people.

00:08:07.680 Wake up.

00:08:08.060 Yeah, you know, there are some people who are evil in this, and there are some people who are not evil but just wrong and sorely misled, and their opposition might come from a good place, but they don't have all the facts.

00:08:19.480 Now, speaking of facts and attacks on a major Alberta industry, and I think this all ties together with that global push for veganism, this, like, this desire from, I don't know, from above, smarter people to have us all be malnourished and cold, and that we're all just supposed to eat bugs to change the climate.

00:08:46.560 Robert Lyman has an incredible report out about the domestic cattle industry and how it is not the greenhouse gas criminal that the pro-vegan left would have us believe.

00:09:02.580 Right.

00:09:03.240 Well, Robert goes through a lot of the sort of calculations of GHG emissions and such like.

00:09:09.100 And again, a lot of the criticisms of things like agriculture and the cattle industry come from people who sit in a room and they do math and say, oh, look, these emissions come from there.

00:09:20.220 But when you look at Albrecht Glatzel's work, and he's worked with the World Federation of Agriculture, he's from Paraguay, he's an agricultural expert.

00:09:29.980 You know, he finds that the IPCC never ever did a baseline on the emissions, GHG emissions of feral wild stock.

00:09:38.680 So, like, there used to be 60 to 100 million buffalo on the plains before European civilization moved in.

00:09:47.460 Before we figured out how delicious they were.

00:09:49.700 Oh, well, I think people were eating them then, and they were.

00:09:53.860 I know.

00:09:56.500 But, you know, there wasn't a baseline ever done by the IPCC.

00:10:00.540 So a lot of these calculations are, again, completely off base.

00:10:04.260 And what people don't realize who are calling for veganism is that cattle consume lots of food that people can't eat, and they turn it into food that people can't can eat.

00:10:16.380 I mean, this is always, and you can look at Jared Diamond's work on guns, germs, and steel.

00:10:22.340 He shows how settled agrarian communities became so capable and powerful compared to some other more nomadic or primitive communities.

00:10:35.880 Because they didn't have to work so hard for their source of food, and that food became, you know, domesticated animals.

00:10:44.720 And fortunately for Western civilization, most of the domesticated livestock or domesticable livestock were in that fertile crescent.

00:10:53.840 So things like pigs, goats, sheep, horses, cattle.

00:10:59.580 That's what gave us our strength.

00:11:01.140 And he compares it to the people in Papua New Guinea who, to get their protein, they have to cut down these huge trees, cut them in half, core them out, take that core, pound it into a powder, dry it, then mix it with water.

00:11:16.300 By the time they're done, there's no, you know, the energy expended to do that is about equivalent or less than what they get to eat.

00:11:24.080 So when you have cattle that can go and graze on pasture that you can't eat, you can't eat grass, you know, but they can eat it, then you can get milk, then you can get meat.

00:11:35.480 So, and those are high-protein sources of food.

00:11:40.420 And the cattle themselves actually return the grasslands to good health because they poop everywhere, you know, it's a self-fertilizing process.

00:11:50.780 And, of course, you know, obviously you have to have some good management skills of the land, but most of our farmers are very well educated today.

00:11:58.580 You know, they all have BAs and science degrees in agriculture and land management, soil management.

00:12:05.400 So it's really a science now that's easily 100 years old.

00:12:09.720 So, you know, the vegans are, if you want to be a vegan, go ahead.

00:12:15.080 But, you know, I love it when people tell me, oh, well, I live in Norway and veganism is good, or that author from Sweden, Lund University, everyone should be a vegan.

00:12:23.840 Well, where do you get your vegetables from in winter, girl? 0.98

00:12:26.460 Yeah.

00:12:26.900 You know, they come on a container ship, on a truck, on a train, somebody's bringing them to you and they're being farmed in some warm place. 0.95

00:12:34.400 So that's ridiculous.

00:12:36.820 You know, that's a great point because a lot of, well, I don't think I know a vegan who doesn't say, well, I am a vegan for this, this, this reason, and it's good for the earth. 0.87

00:12:49.520 And yet they are perfectly fine.

00:12:53.540 I mean, I don't care if my pineapple comes from somewhere.

00:12:56.020 I don't think greenhouse gas emissions are bad.

00:12:58.200 But if you do, then your pineapple that's coming from, you know, the tropics all the way to Norway, for your smoothie, you're supposed to care about those things.

00:13:08.920 I don't.

00:13:09.520 I think it's great.

00:13:11.700 But they do care and they say that's one of the reasons they go vegan.

00:13:14.960 And yet they can't make that connection.

00:13:17.640 Perhaps they need more protein in their diet.

00:13:20.100 And on that point, on that point of pineapples, Lush Cosmetics has always been a virulent hater of the oil sands.

00:13:27.760 They even put together an Alberta wild rose bath bomb at one point and contributed all the money to these tar sands campaigners.

00:13:36.200 Well, you know, where do they get their pineapples from to make their face mask?

00:13:40.940 You know, how many eggs do they go through to make some of the things that they, you know, so self-righteously discuss about being natural and good to the earth?

00:13:50.140 Coconut oil.

00:13:50.780 Yeah.

00:13:51.540 Excuse me.

00:13:52.280 You know, all these things are coming from somewhere.

00:13:54.620 Yeah.

00:13:54.840 I don't know any coconuts that grow around here.

00:13:59.340 Yeah, we don't have a coconut farm in Alberta.

00:14:01.620 No.

00:14:03.000 Moving along, though, on issues facing rural Canada.

00:14:07.020 Again, another report out.

00:14:08.680 I think it was Robert Lyman that did this one also.

00:14:11.360 And it is about how climate policies disproportionately affect rural Canada.

00:14:19.300 Now, you know that, and I know that, and I think anybody who has to drive to town to get a jug of milk knows that.

00:14:24.300 But the numbers were really broken down and using what I thought was an interesting choice, eastern Canadian communities, because eastern Canadian communities are tending to vote liberal.

00:14:36.640 So, they're the ones choosing these climate policies, and yet they're the ones being disproportionately hurt by them.

00:14:42.640 Right.

00:14:43.640 Well, you know, he did a very interesting report because he looked at three rural communities in the Atlantic region.

00:14:52.420 So, he looked at Cet-Ile in Quebec, which has the Aluminier Alouette, and he looked at Iron Core Company of Labrador City in Newfoundland and Labrador, and he looked at the Greymont plant in Havelock, New Brunswick.

00:15:07.120 And some of these communities don't have huge employment, not necessarily a big loss of employment, but, for instance, the Greymont plant is the third largest producer of lime, which is necessary for cement in North America.

00:15:22.060 So, all of these types of production, aluminum, iron ore, and lime, are extremely CO2 intensive.

00:15:29.460 And, at some point, these climate policies are going to go rolling into those little towns and crush them, and they will also destroy many of the coordinated industries that rely on these services and products in that region.

00:15:44.380 So, it's something that people don't really think about, especially, you know, again, because of the Tar Sands campaign, everybody down east is going, yeah, well, you know, so what, Alberta?

00:15:54.100 You made your own bed, now you have to lie in it.

00:15:56.320 Well, guess what, gang, you know, you're in the same bed, because, effectively, the climate change policies in Canada are a threat to Canada.

00:16:06.580 They will crush our economy and destroy regions, and we already see that all kinds of rifts are cropping up because of these policies that are destroying regional economies, but it's coming to your town, too.

00:16:21.820 Yeah, and I think the beauty of Albertans is we probably won't say, I told you so.

00:16:27.860 We'll probably say, okay, great, now join us in the fight.

00:16:31.960 Yes, yes, we'll say it's not something that people should be happy about.

00:16:36.420 You know, we're not happy about it.

00:16:38.160 We don't see it happening there yet, but nobody here will be happy to see other people lose their job.

00:16:43.800 Yeah, it won't be long before some of the people who chose the feel-goodery of Justin Trudeau's Liberals, it won't be long until they're mugged by reality.

00:16:55.280 And I don't take any pleasure or joy in it, but I do hope that they can make the connection that this is what you voted for, so let's never do that again.

00:17:07.400 Right, and later on I want to talk about some of the faulty perceptions within the climate change debate that are driving these extreme policies, but, you know, once people understand them, they'll realize that we actually don't need to implement those policies to be good to the earth or to save the planet.

00:17:26.820 But let's continue.

00:17:28.540 Sure, I think the next thing I have on my list is the Canada-France climate deal.

00:17:38.780 Most people outside of you and I and people who eat, sleep and breathe climate policy, because I don't want it to control my life, I don't think people know what this entails.

00:17:55.200 The mainstream media has not reported on it, and can anybody explain to me the irony of Canada signing a climate deal with France when France is embroiled in protests from their people, violent protests, where people are showing up with torches and marching in the street because they are resisting the climate policies of France, and yet we're signing a deal with them saying, yeah, you know what, hand in hand, you and me, Canada and France, Trudeau and Macron.

00:18:25.200 Yeah, well, you know, the climate deal was signed right about the time that Keystone XL suspended, or sorry, that Trans Mountain suspended operations.

00:18:37.200 And possibly they knew this was coming or maybe the atmosphere was just too difficult for them anyway.

00:18:44.480 So, you know, Justin Trudeau made a big speech in France about how, you know, his forefather came from France and, you know, found opportunity in Canada, la-di-da, that's great.

00:18:56.460 But the climate deal actually requires Canada to push carbon trading and push carbon climate policies worldwide.

00:19:05.940 Now, our biggest trading partner is the United States of America, which does not have a climate policy, and which pulled out of the Paris Accord.

00:19:18.420 And, you know, I think our trade with France is about, you know, 4 billion or something like that.

00:19:25.000 It's in our video, I just don't remember off the top of my head.

00:19:27.920 But our trade with the states is something like 937 billion.

00:19:32.160 So, you know, what are we doing?

00:19:34.860 Are we insane?

00:19:36.440 But then when you look at what France also has, they have this organization called La Francophonie.

00:19:42.420 And if you recall, there was some controversy some time ago about why are we paying for Michael John to be part of La Francophonie and, you know, coughing up all these expenses for past governor generals because of La Francophonie.

00:19:58.980 It's a huge voting bloc at the UN, and Canada is part of it because we have French-speaking people.

00:20:05.180 So it appears, it presents itself as a cultural thing about French language.

00:20:09.380 But effectively, it's actually controlling a large part of the conversation on climate.

00:20:17.180 And who does France buy all their oil from?

00:20:20.920 Despot nations, other than a bit from Norway, you know, but if you look at who they buy oil from, they're buying it from all the people that Canada Action has been critical of, for instance.

00:20:32.980 So what are we doing?

00:20:34.680 You know, it's like, let's shoot ourselves in the other foot.

00:20:37.400 Yeah, but Michelle, those despot nations, some of them actually do speak French, so it's fine.

00:20:44.520 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:45.640 No, it's pretty interesting.

00:20:47.080 Have a look at it.

00:20:48.380 Yeah.

00:20:49.620 Now, moving on to more global things, because that was pretty global.

00:20:54.780 Let's talk about another, I suppose he started off as a Canadian bad idea, Mark Carney.

00:21:02.280 He was formerly of the Bank of Canada, and he wants to change the world currency to fight climate change.

00:21:15.660 And this is going to cause chaos in economic markets across the globe, but I suppose the ends justify the means for these people.

00:21:23.820 Well, we did a video about Mark Carney being appointed as the climate czar at the UN.

00:21:30.940 Mr. Carney was with Goldman Sachs, a big carbon trading company.

00:21:34.620 He was with them for 13 years prior to becoming the governor of the Bank of Canada.

00:21:38.780 And during his time in Canada, his wife was part of Canada 2020 and issued various reports pushing for a carbon price, pushing for carbon trading.

00:21:50.720 Then he moved over to the Bank of England.

00:21:54.640 And at the Bank of England, he made a presentation to Lloyd's of London, which is quite famous about climate change.

00:22:00.780 And it's based on this very scary report that was put out and funded by Thomas Steyer and Michael Bloomberg, two green billionaires who've been demarketing fossil fuels worldwide.

00:22:15.560 At the same time, we understand that Mr. Steyer's Farallon Capital in the background has been buying coal stocks in Asia while in the front he's very green.

00:22:26.320 Anyway, that can be read on Powerline, on the Powerline blog.

00:22:30.780 The epic hypocrisy of Thomas Steyer.

00:22:33.140 Anyway, so Mr. Carney has recently proposed that perhaps we should move to a digital currency instead of the U.S. dollar as the reserve currency of the world, because he's trying to stabilize European markets.

00:22:50.880 But this would probably destabilize the world economy. 0.83

00:22:54.420 And particularly today, now that we see the tragic chaos in China regarding coronavirus.

00:23:00.780 You know, the Chinese have been buying up gold and U.S. dollars for a long time.

00:23:07.720 So they're certainly not going to be part of this digital currency party.

00:23:11.460 And I believe the underlying method here is to facilitate carbon trading and perhaps even an energy dollar, if you like.

00:23:21.620 And this all goes back to the ideas of, say, George Monbiot, where everyone gets a personal carbon credit every year, a ration.

00:23:30.100 You know, when you run out of energy credits, you just buy more if you have money.

00:23:35.340 Anyway, so, you know, I think it's important that people are aware of this move.

00:23:40.220 And one of the things that Mr. Carney has actually promoted is Facebook's proposed Libra digital currency.

00:23:47.000 And that was the only one that he singled out in one of his speeches in Kansas last year.

00:23:54.880 So, you know, then it makes sense to me now why perhaps Facebook has been limiting and censoring any articles that say there's no climate emergency.

00:24:07.120 Or articles that say that Australian bushfires are not caused by climate change, but rather poor forestry management.

00:24:15.100 Because if your currency, digital currency's future relies on climate catastrophe, of course, you're going to promote that.

00:24:23.480 And, you know, in a free society, you should be able to promote it, but you should be pretty transparent about it.

00:24:28.940 I don't think that's happening.

00:24:30.000 No, that was one thing I learned from one of your videos.

00:24:35.280 Sometimes there's so much Facebook censorship happening, it's hard to stay on top of who exactly is the target today.

00:24:42.260 But I did learn that from one of your videos, that wildfire facts about the Australian wildfire were being censored by Facebook and Facebook fact checkers.

00:24:53.700 Because it doesn't comport with the narrative that this is climate change induced and not arson and poor forest management.

00:25:05.080 Right. Well, there's a group in the States called Poynter Institute, and they're supposedly dedicated to journalism, inquiry and free speech and how important it is.

00:25:15.860 And they run this organization called the International Fact Checking Network, which is made up of various people around the world who supposedly check on facts.

00:25:24.860 And they have subgroups of this.

00:25:26.320 They have health feedback and climate feedback and science feedback.

00:25:32.180 So the idea is good.

00:25:34.540 But of course, what's happened is in the climate feedback world, you've got a whole bunch of people who are on the climate change catastrophe mantra.

00:25:42.500 And so when anything doesn't fit that parameter, they come out with that.

00:25:48.160 Now, Facebook has partnered with them in a Facebook integrity project.

00:25:53.500 The words don't mean anything anymore.

00:25:56.180 And, you know, most major media, including CBC, we've also got an item on CBC on our blog.

00:26:01.760 If the International Fact Checking Network says this is BS, then that's it.

00:26:06.720 That's what they go with.

00:26:07.440 They don't ask any more questions.

00:26:08.820 They have no sense of looking in to see if there's an agenda there.

00:26:14.200 And that's not journalism.

00:26:16.640 No.

00:26:17.160 And you and I were talking off camera about how some of these reports just make it into the ethos.

00:26:22.180 And then so the insurance companies will adopt a report that says, oh, you know, the world's going to end in 12 years or whatever the doomsday clock is at right now.

00:26:31.740 And they'll they'll adopt that.

00:26:34.680 And then then the banking industry will point at the insurance industry and say, see, the world's going to end in 12 years because the insurance industry says so.

00:26:43.820 And then the governments will point at the banks and say, OK, see, the world's going to end now because the banks and the insurance agencies both say that the world's going to end.

00:26:56.640 And they both care about mitigating the risk.

00:26:58.640 So we better do it, too.

00:27:00.000 But nobody ever stops to examine the report.

00:27:02.520 Nobody.

00:27:02.780 It just gets adopted.

00:27:04.280 And then the circle of lent credibility just goes around and around and around.

00:27:09.800 And then we're all just supposed to believe it.

00:27:11.140 But nobody ever goes back to the original report.

00:27:13.920 And I think that takes us to.

00:27:17.020 OK, Roger Pielka Jr.

00:27:19.120 did go back to the original report.

00:27:21.720 And he's got a couple of articles on Forbes recently that are very good.

00:27:26.280 And again, he talks about how Thomas Dayer and Michael Bloomberg co-sponsored these this risky business report, which used a some climate simulations, one of them being the Registrated Concentrated Representative Concentrated Pathway 8.5.

00:27:46.280 And this you can see this on the cover of the IPCC SR 1.5 report that Greta Thunberg is always quoting.

00:27:55.040 There's an artistic representation of it.

00:27:57.480 And you'll see that there is this one line that goes way up.

00:28:01.200 And then there's one sort of in the middle.

00:28:03.220 And then there's one sort of here.

00:28:04.440 And then there's one down there.

00:28:05.740 So this would be 8.5.

00:28:07.800 This is 2.6.

00:28:09.200 This is 4.5.

00:28:10.500 And that's 6.2 or something.

00:28:13.860 6.0. 0.95

00:28:14.920 Anyway, so this one, according to Pielka, is totally ridiculous.

00:28:21.220 It's unrelated to reality.

00:28:22.620 Because this one, the 8.5 at the top, is a world where everyone is using coal again, as we used to do.

00:28:31.100 Now, on that graph that I described, you know, we're about here.

00:28:34.640 So we're way below that.

00:28:37.160 That's where we presently are.

00:28:38.320 And these projections were never meant to be used in this way.

00:28:42.000 They're simply simulations that scientists were using as a way to evaluate potential changes.

00:28:48.960 But they rely on many socioeconomic factors, not just one thing, not just CO2 and not just fossil fuels.

00:28:57.280 For instance, the 2.6, which Greta is pushing for, is a world with 3 billion less people.

00:29:07.420 Where are they supposed to go?

00:29:09.160 Yeah, so now you can understand some of the implications of that.

00:29:13.140 People like Extinction Rebellion, the Voluntary Extinction, Humanity Extinction Project.

00:29:19.080 You know, people who are running around with signs saying, kill me, I want to save the planet.

00:29:24.300 You know, this insanity is coming from these model projections that have nothing to do with reality and should never, ever be used this way.

00:29:32.880 So that's on the front cover of the IPCC report.

00:29:36.140 It's integral to this report that Bloomberg and Steyer put together or funded.

00:29:41.720 And that has become embedded in scholarly documents.

00:29:48.060 So now it's just part of mainstream media thinking when it has actually no relation to reality.

00:29:56.720 And this is the report that Mark Carney used when he talked with Lloyd's of London, you know, that this tragedy of the horizon, we're not going to be around long enough to see this big catastrophe.

00:30:07.580 So we have to change everything completely now.

00:30:10.740 It's a catastrophe that's from someone's imagination.

00:30:14.660 It has nothing to do with reality.

00:30:17.040 So, as you say, all these people have lent each other credibility by repeating and citing this.

00:30:22.220 And, you know, there's now one group in the world, CLINTEL, the climate intelligence group out of the Netherlands, who they've now put together 800 scientists, more than 800 scientists, who say there's no climate emergency.

00:30:38.760 And let's stop, take a step back and stop scaring our kids.

00:30:43.320 Stop scaring the public.

00:30:44.780 And stop trying to reach net zero by 2050 because everybody will be dead.

00:30:49.920 Like, these are really serious implications from these crazy climate policies.

00:30:56.540 And they all originate with that report.

00:31:00.300 You know, it doesn't do much to help my conspiracy-minded side.

00:31:05.540 You know, my conspiracy-minded side is always like, these Democrat billionaires want us all dead.

00:31:11.440 They want us cold, frozen. 0.80

00:31:14.480 They want, you know, they literally want the poor people to just vaporize off the earth.

00:31:19.140 And then they cite reports that require the numbers to do just that.

00:31:25.980 It's very, it's very chilling and scary.

00:31:29.360 And it, like I said, it doesn't do much to quell my conspiracy-minded side.

00:31:34.240 I want to talk about Davos because, like most global elitist parties, it just turned into another climate change shindig.

00:31:43.540 And we just had one a couple months ago.

00:31:46.520 That's all anybody could talk about while they were there is climate change.

00:31:50.580 It's all anybody can talk about at the G20.

00:31:52.960 It's all anybody can talk about at any UN function.

00:31:58.960 And the World Economic Forum was no different.

00:32:01.440 They had Greta Thunberg there being just a truant brat again, telling grown-ups what to do. 1.00

00:32:08.300 Like, as a mom, I'm running out of patience with this kid. 0.98

00:32:11.420 I just think she's a brat. 1.00

00:32:13.840 And not particularly all that special because she's a typical teenager who thinks she knows it all.

00:32:20.460 And Davos is more than happy to listen to her and not listen to the 800 scientists at Clintel who actually know something about something.

00:32:30.740 Like, they're listening to a little girl who quit school and not listening to these dissenting scientists.

00:32:37.160 Well, and you can see why.

00:32:39.180 Because, you know, first of all, I want to say I think that Greta herself honestly and sincerely believes this.

00:32:45.200 I think that she is completely terrified of the potential for catastrophe.

00:32:50.900 And, you know, that's thanks to Al Gore because in 2009, in the book Factfulness, Hans Rosling says Al Gore told him in 2009 we have to create fear.

00:33:06.440 You know, and Rosling was a global medical specialist working on medical policy worldwide and a medical doctor.

00:33:14.980 And he said, you know, fear is like the worst thing that you can use because it will drive you into making dangerous and really bad decisions.

00:33:22.560 And he gives lots of examples in his book.

00:33:24.940 So, you know, Greta, speaking there herself, I think she totally, sincerely, honestly believes it.

00:33:33.080 But who's behind her?

00:33:34.800 You know, Kian did that report when he went to Sweden to try and find out.

00:33:38.920 Well, there's this huge group of green billionaires and this woman named Cori Morgenstarr has done a fabulous investigative research on the manufacturing of Greta Thunberg.

00:33:51.120 Like this little girl is being used and exploited, child exploitation by these green billionaires. 1.00

00:33:56.720 That's how she gets on the stage there because those guys are part of the Davos clique.

00:34:02.060 So, you know, what can be a better way to get the public to move toward a digital currency, to agree to have their freedoms totally eclipsed by climate policy, to agree to have their economies destroyed by climate policy, than having this young woman speak from the heart with all sincerity to a bunch of billionaires who just flew in on their private jets.

00:34:25.240 You know, so, and again, the clintel group has said it's a crime to make children afraid of their future.

00:34:35.540 And if you read the factfulness book by Rosalind, you'll see that everywhere around the world, things are better for everyone, much better.

00:34:42.420 There's still lots of inequality, but much, much better.

00:34:46.240 Things are always improving.

00:34:48.260 And so that's not something that Greta even knows about.

00:34:51.340 So it is really a tragedy that we're being bamboozled by these people who put together that report that now has inculcated all of Western society with fear of an apocalyptic ending, something that's not going to happen.

00:35:07.420 Because that's not what the evidence shows.

00:35:10.280 Right.

00:35:10.820 There's something especially sinister about playing on the fears of children.

00:35:15.820 My 13-year-old daughter probably feels like she's going to die every time I take her cell phone away. 1.00

00:35:21.580 Now, what if the head of Rogers said to her, you know what?

00:35:26.040 You are going to die if she takes that cell phone away. 0.97

00:35:29.160 You will literally drop dead. 0.97

00:35:30.640 Maybe not now, but in 12 years, you're going to drop dead if your mother takes your cell phone away.

00:35:35.940 Rogers would sell a hell of a lot of cell phones to some young people if they were able to convince young people that they were going to die if their mothers took their cell phone away.

00:35:46.760 That's very similar to what Greta is experiencing right now.

00:35:52.620 And I know it sounds crazy, my comparison, but it's pretty much the same if you're a grown-up looking at it with clear eyes.

00:36:00.900 Sure, and if you look at their perspectives for the group, we don't have time, that's what they named their organization.

00:36:08.140 No fear-mongering there.

00:36:10.460 You find that they have attached themselves, you know, they've got a big global agency, they're doing a huge social engineering project, and the main thrust is that they're selling carbon offsets.

00:36:21.080 So they're using Greta as a walking ad to sell their carbon offset trading deals.

00:36:25.540 You know, and ironically, in the prospectus, they say, and advertisers may have sort of, you know, future opportunities with social media influencers like Greta when she grows up.

00:36:39.340 Well, you know, if we're all going to die in 12 years, what?

00:36:42.800 I thought you guys said we're all going to die in 12 years.

00:36:45.740 Now you're saying when she grows up, you can cash in on Greta. 0.88

00:36:48.600 Like, that is so sick, and also, you know, what a perverted thinking to put out there to the public.

00:36:56.820 So, yeah, we do have time, you know, and that's what the Clean Health Group is saying.

00:37:02.000 We do have time.

00:37:03.200 We shouldn't rush into these things.

00:37:05.520 We should take a step back, and we should stop scaring children, especially, and stop scaring the public.

00:37:11.840 It's a crime.

00:37:12.540 Now, I've taken up quite a bit of your time this morning, but I wanted to talk about the new event that Friends of Science Society is planning.

00:37:24.080 And let me just say off the hop, friends and listeners at home, viewers at home, if you've never gone to a Friends of Science Society event, I cannot recommend it enough.

00:37:33.340 It's always a packed house.

00:37:34.540 The food is great.

00:37:35.380 The company is great.

00:37:36.260 The speakers are incredible.

00:37:37.420 And you're going to hear ideas that you will not hear in the mainstream media, because they're unafraid, and the science speaks for itself.

00:37:46.480 Right.

00:37:47.100 Well, this year, it's going to be on April the 6th.

00:37:49.440 It's at the Red and White Club in Calgary.

00:37:51.560 And we're going to have Donna LaFranboise speaking on freedom of speech.

00:37:56.260 And we're going to have Dr. Roy Spencer speaking on 10 reasons why there's no climate emergency.

00:38:03.080 So, it's called Freedom of Speech, No Climate Emergency.

00:38:06.360 And Donna will be addressing the fact that climate change activists really want all your freedoms, and they're incrementally employing new and new laws, new legislation, you know, more bins to compost, more restrictions on where your car can park, more restrictions on whether or not you can fly, and such, like, on and on and on.

00:38:29.240 They're gradually taking your freedoms away.

00:38:31.900 And actually, she just did an article rebutting the Winnipeg free press.

00:38:36.960 Free press.

00:38:37.580 Wasn't that ironic?

00:38:38.980 Which wrote an article saying, it's time to silence deniers.

00:38:42.700 Now, of course, that may be influenced by the fact that in Winnipeg, they have the Prairie Climate Center, which instead of pushing climate information, is pushing wind and solar, ironically.

00:38:55.760 And is funded by one of the, used to be funded by Great West Life, which was owned by Power Corp.

00:39:02.660 I don't know if it still is.

00:39:03.700 But, you know, you see these connections, you go, hmm.

00:39:06.760 Yep.

00:39:07.220 Anyway, yes.

00:39:08.840 And Dr. Roy Spencer, he was with NASA, and he's an award-winning scientist.

00:39:14.700 He's now a principal researcher at University of Alabama Huntsville.

00:39:19.000 And he and John Christie run all the satellite data from there, and they're the ones who show that there's really no change in global temperatures, according to the satellite data.

00:39:31.760 So, where's the catastrophe?

00:39:34.920 You know, that's great.

00:39:37.060 Because, you know, you're bringing in people who actually are studying the data that the climate change activists are distorting to push their own agenda.

00:39:46.080 It's very great.

00:39:48.140 Again, you're going to the source report or source reporter, I guess, in this instance, instead of just buying the spin three people out.

00:39:57.740 It's like the game of telephone, right?

00:39:59.980 It is the game of telephone, yes.

00:40:01.840 And, you know, and Donna, I may have mentioned, she also wrote the book, The Delinquent Teenager.

00:40:07.100 So, it's kind of funny that we have Greta at Davos, because The Delinquent Teenager is about how the IPCC acts like a delinquent teenager, where, you know, they won't clean up their room.

00:40:17.280 So, they've been criticized on many, many issues over the years, and they haven't fixed it.

00:40:22.260 And when Donna was here, she showed that Greenpeace and World Wild Fund leading members, legends, are influencing the IPCC reports.

00:40:34.160 And who funds Greenpeace and World Wild Fund for a lot of money?

00:40:38.660 The Oak Foundation, one of the tar sands partners, you know, the Rockefellers. 0.99

00:40:43.020 All these big foundations have been funding Greenpeace and World Wild Fund, and these guys are influencing the IPCC reports that your local, provincial, and federal governments base their climate policies on.

00:40:57.600 So, I don't, I see a huge conflict of interest there.

00:41:01.800 I'm sure many other people do.

00:41:03.680 So, people should read her book and follow her blog.

00:41:06.780 It's a big pic, big picture.

00:41:10.740 So.

00:41:11.640 Now, how do people get tickets to the event?

00:41:14.680 And, more importantly, if they can't make the event, how do they support the good work that you guys at Friends of Science Society do?

00:41:21.920 Well, thanks.

00:41:23.840 Well, to get to our event, you can get a ticket on Eventbrite.

00:41:28.560 You can go to our homepage, and there's a link from our homepage directly to the Eventbrite ticketing process.

00:41:34.880 And we do have a student rate as well, if kids and young adults are interested.

00:41:41.260 So, it's going to be April 6th, 6 p.m. at the Red and White Club in Calgary.

00:41:45.920 We offer a full buffet.

00:41:48.360 Then we have our two speakers.

00:41:49.920 We have a break in the middle where you can pick up some bling.

00:41:54.520 And we have all kinds of bits and pieces, books, DVDs, and such like.

00:41:59.980 And it's just a really nice evening.

00:42:01.780 So, I hope people will take advantage of it.

00:42:05.220 And that's at, sorry, that's at friendsofscience.org?

00:42:08.500 Yes.

00:42:09.200 And if you want to support us, we also have a donate button there, donate membership.

00:42:13.780 So, please feel free.

00:42:15.320 We'd love to have some help.

00:42:17.080 Yeah.

00:42:17.280 I'm astounded at the work that Friends of Science can do with your shoestring budget and your videos.

00:42:25.900 For a small Canadian science-focused YouTube channel, you guys are getting, on some videos, nearly a million views.

00:42:35.880 Half a million views.

00:42:37.380 A video you did the other day has 70,000 views.

00:42:39.660 I think that's great.

00:42:40.840 You're reaching a lot of people because I think you have sort of a bit of a rebel journalistic mission in that we say we like to tell the other side of the story.

00:42:49.580 That's exactly what you guys are doing.

00:42:51.000 So, I recommend everybody subscribe to Friends of Science YouTube channel.

00:42:57.280 If you're looking for a place where you can get layman's terminology of complex scientific issues that environmentalists are counting on you not to understand, go to the Friends of Science YouTube channel.

00:43:10.240 You'll get a ton of arguments that you can take out, take into the world with you.

00:43:14.780 So, yes, well, we do try to present a plain language version.

00:43:19.000 We also back it up with the scientific material.

00:43:22.000 And so, you know, we're not trying to bamboozle people.

00:43:25.120 We want people to understand sort of these fundamental principles.

00:43:28.360 And, yeah, we're very happy with, you know, our YouTube audience is very responsive.

00:43:35.320 And we also try to respond when we can to comments on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.

00:43:40.160 So, you know, we advocate for open civil debate on climate and energy policies.

00:43:46.760 That's what's missing right now.

00:43:48.800 Because I think if we had open civil debate, a lot of the hysterical rhetoric would calm right down and people would be making more thoughtful, incremental changes rather than some of these vast, sweeping changes that people are coming up with that are really detrimental, especially to middle class and poor people.

00:44:11.480 It will crush the middle class. 0.88

00:44:13.200 Well, that's exactly why people like, I guess, the Winnipeg Free Press want to shut you up because, you know, they can't win the debate.

00:44:23.460 Michelle, I've taken up so much of your time today.

00:44:26.520 I want to thank you for coming on the show.

00:44:28.200 We shouldn't leave it this long before you're back on again.

00:44:31.300 And this is the place where you can come on and talk as long as you want without me ever trying to shut you up.

00:44:36.940 Yes, thank you.

00:44:37.920 I really, really appreciate that.

00:44:39.460 All of us do.

00:44:40.220 All of us and all of our members appreciate that.

00:44:42.480 Thank you so much, Sheila.

00:44:51.580 The ever-growing choir of scientific minds dissenting from the theory of human-induced global warming are being shut out of the debate, which means it's really not much of a debate anymore when only one side is allowed to talk.

00:45:04.820 The same thing is happening to those nerdy number crunchers who disagree with the concept that making people poorer through taxes will somehow change the weather.

00:45:14.860 That's crazy when you say it out loud, isn't it?

00:45:17.200 You know, you'll scarcely see these people with articles published in mainstream media outlets, even though their opinions, frankly, are pretty mainstream.

00:45:25.200 And you will absolutely never see them on a panel as a counterbalance at the CBC.

00:45:31.060 In fact, we know at the CBC, its official policy did not have so-called deniers on at all.

00:45:37.720 And that's why I love what Friends of Science is doing.

00:45:40.140 They're going completely around the gatekeepers of legacy media and speaking directly to the people through their YouTube channel.

00:45:50.240 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:45:52.320 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:45:56.620 Thanks, as always, for watching the show.

00:45:59.700 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:46:03.440 We'll see you next week.

Rebel News Podcast - January 30, 2020

Canada's little-known carbon tax and climate change deal with France

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