Rebel News Podcast - July 03, 2020


“Cancel culture karma”： Harvard grad threatens to stab people — and she’s shocked when she loses her job


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A Harvard grad threatens to stab anyone who disagrees with her, and she s shocked when she loses her job. What do you think of cancel culture karma? Subscribe to Rebel News Plus to get immediate access to all our new shows and listen to them wherever you get your news.

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00:00:00.420 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I talk about young Clara Janover, a Harvard grad who went on TikTok to say she wanted to stab people who said the phrase,
00:00:10.960 all lives matter instead of black lives matter. Oddly enough, she was fired by the company that said they'd hire her later this year.
00:00:18.220 What do you think of that? I'll give you my thoughts on cancel culture karma. 0.88
00:00:22.980 But before I do, let me invite you to become a subscriber to our Rebel News Plus. That's our premium subscription.
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00:00:34.360 In this case, I really wish you could see Clara Janover. She is the luckiest gal in the world. 0.69
00:00:40.940 I mean, young, pretty, healthy, on her way, woman, Harvard grad. The world is hers.
00:00:48.720 And she throws it away for a TikTok. I want to show you that TikTok.
00:00:52.440 But I also think she's having the time of her life. That's today's show.
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00:01:08.680 Okay, here's today's podcast.
00:01:13.080 Tonight, a Harvard grad threatens to stab anyone who disagrees with her. 0.94
00:01:18.620 And she's shocked when she loses her job. 1.00
00:01:21.220 Cancel culture karma.
00:01:23.400 It's July 2nd, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:25.840 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:31.580 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:35.660 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:41.520 Here's a lovely young lady named Clara Janover. 0.86
00:01:50.440 You've heard the phrase the 1%, right? 0.99
00:01:53.080 The luckiest, richest, most privileged 1% of society.
00:01:57.340 Well, she's the 1% of the 1%. 0.99
00:02:00.220 She's young, she's healthy, she's pretty, and a Harvard grad.
00:02:05.120 Harvard.
00:02:06.080 Being a Harvard grad isn't just a ticket for life, for financial success.
00:02:11.020 It's moral success.
00:02:12.700 It's class.
00:02:14.600 You're the elite now.
00:02:16.280 The United States doesn't have an aristocracy the same way the UK does,
00:02:20.460 but you get a Harvard degree and you're as close to royalty as they come in America.
00:02:24.600 I would normally not point out this fact, but it's relevant to today's discussion.
00:02:29.740 She's obviously not white, and I don't think she's black. 0.77
00:02:33.780 So on the first point, not being white has obviously not held her back in the land of opportunity.
00:02:38.920 She is a Harvard grad.
00:02:41.080 But not being black is also interesting. 0.99
00:02:43.580 I wonder if she got into Harvard as part of their affirmative action program for visible minorities,
00:02:48.880 basically taking a slot that was traditionally meant for black people.
00:02:52.600 We'll never actually know because Harvard is very cryptic about who it lets in and for what reason.
00:02:58.760 Many Ivy League schools actually discriminate against Chinese Americans.
00:03:04.200 I'll say the politically incorrect thing here.
00:03:06.760 They're too smart and they study too hard.
00:03:10.400 So a sheer meritocracy would see a disproportionate of Chinese kids in these schools, 1.00
00:03:15.540 just like at Canada's University of British Columbia, where Asian kids are actually a majority.
00:03:20.820 These are hard subjects to talk about.
00:03:23.520 I get it.
00:03:24.180 Certainly hard to talk about honestly.
00:03:26.320 But I'll just say this.
00:03:27.260 Clara Janover has a lot of privilege, regardless of her race or how it helped or hurt her to get into Harvard. 0.97
00:03:36.400 So this 0.01 percenter who just graduated from Harvard this spring was hired by Deloitte,
00:03:44.140 the global multinational firm.
00:03:46.000 Everything's ahead of her.
00:03:49.060 What a wonderful time of her life.
00:03:51.320 She took to TikTok, the social media app, to post a rant about Black Lives Matter.
00:03:56.380 Clara is sick of people saying all lives matter, you see.
00:03:59.760 She gets really, really mad about it.
00:04:01.560 You could say she gets furious about it, even a bit stabby.
00:04:06.800 Here, listen.
00:04:07.300 The next person who has the sheer nerve, the sheer entitled caucasity to say all lives matter, 0.86
00:04:14.240 I'm going to stab you.
00:04:15.480 I'm going to stab you.
00:04:17.040 And while you're struggling and bleeding out, I'm going to show you my paper cut and say,
00:04:21.940 my cut matters too.
00:04:25.080 Well, yikes.
00:04:26.240 Now, Clara says that was metaphorical, as in, I think the point she was trying to make was that
00:04:31.200 anyone else who says their lives matter, well, sure they do, but it's not as urgent or critical
00:04:36.680 as saying black lives matter. 0.99
00:04:38.320 Now, I've seen that argument before, that black lives matter must be said because black 1.00
00:04:42.460 lives are the lives that are in trouble.
00:04:44.520 There's some truth to that, and there's some logical flaws in that too.
00:04:48.720 My real beef with black lives matter is that it's not just three words. 1.00
00:04:53.080 It's a corporation, really a lobby group, that has very specific goals and agendas.
00:04:58.140 It's like they've trademarked those three words, black lives matter.
00:05:02.700 It sounds like plain English, but when you say them, it's taken as an endorsement of the
00:05:07.540 whole political agenda of that organization, defunding police and increasingly anti-Semitism.
00:05:14.140 Look at this tweet by black lives matter UK. 0.88
00:05:16.620 It's pretty hardcore, and it's got nothing to do with black people. 0.57
00:05:20.420 Palestinians are not black people. 0.99
00:05:22.520 And then there's this, in case you're in any doubt.
00:05:25.240 Israel, we know you, you murder children too! 1.00
00:05:30.800 Israel, we know you, you murder children too! 1.00
00:05:39.020 Israel, we know you, you murder children too! 1.00
00:05:42.760 So yeah, I think people do believe that black lives matter, but they want to say that all 1.00
00:05:47.760 lives matter because most people believe that all lives matter, and they don't want to be
00:05:52.520 tricked or co-opted into a whole movement that is questionable, and they don't want to be
00:05:57.440 manipulated.
00:05:58.240 By the way, I think black lives matter very much.
00:06:01.200 If you're a student of history, you know that there is indeed some systemic racism against
00:06:06.560 black people.
00:06:07.700 Have you ever heard of Margaret Sanger?
00:06:10.580 She's the founder of Planned Parenthood.
00:06:12.420 One of her most passionate projects was specifically aborting black babies. 1.00
00:06:19.760 It was an obsession of hers.
00:06:21.760 She insisted on setting up abortion clinics in black neighborhoods, in promoting abortion 0.98
00:06:26.880 to black moms.
00:06:28.380 She just plain old wanted fewer black kids. 1.00
00:06:31.980 You can see that too in global programs for population control today.
00:06:36.160 They're always focused on black countries.
00:06:38.300 So I'm actually happy to talk about that all day, instead of defunding police, which actually,
00:06:45.920 if you were to defund police, that would disproportionately hurt, you guessed it, black communities in low-income
00:06:52.880 neighborhoods.
00:06:54.340 Anyways, so this Harvard grad talked about stabbing people.
00:06:59.100 It's not generally a good look.
00:07:00.880 And so Deloitte, when her video went viral, Deloitte let her know that she was not actually
00:07:06.840 really welcome there anymore.
00:07:08.640 I'm guessing people who work there would be worried about, you know, being stabbed or
00:07:14.840 something.
00:07:15.340 So here's what she said when she got that bad news.
00:07:17.900 I know this is what Trump supporters wanted, because standing up for Black Lives Matter put
00:07:24.540 me in a place online to be seen by millions of people.
00:07:28.180 The job that I had worked really hard to get and meant a lot to me, just called me and fired
00:07:36.020 me because of everything.
00:07:37.660 Um, I don't know if everyone's seen, but it's been circulating a lot.
00:07:41.480 Um, my Black Lives Matter TikToks were picked up by conservatives and spread and shared, and
00:07:47.620 people were demanding that I be fired, which I just got.
00:07:51.740 My job that I worked really hard for.
00:07:54.060 Even though they claim to stand against systematic bias, racism, and unequal treatment, so do
00:08:01.020 the thousands of Trump supporters sending me hate messages, death threats, and violent
00:08:05.800 messages.
00:08:06.820 I'm still not going to stop talking about and defending Black Lives Matter.
00:08:11.240 You can't take away my spirit and my devotion towards human rights.
00:08:15.680 Yeah, what's wrong with those racist Deloitte people?
00:08:18.240 Who wouldn't want an extremely emotional young woman talking about stabbing people? 1.00
00:08:24.620 They're obviously anti-Black.
00:08:26.280 Now, Janover herself, I don't think she's Black, but Deloitte must be anti-Black for not hiring 0.99
00:08:32.540 her after her stabby rant.
00:08:35.680 But she was loving her moment in the sun.
00:08:37.540 I think Andy Warhol was the one who said everyone will be famous for 15 minutes.
00:08:42.100 In the age of TikTok videos, it's more like 15 seconds, but Clara got her moment, and she
00:08:48.980 sure was going to milk it.
00:08:49.900 Take a look.
00:08:50.560 Trump supporters just took my job away from me.
00:08:55.480 I've gotten death threats, rape threats, violent threats.
00:08:59.960 It was okay.
00:09:01.480 But now it doesn't make my future...
00:09:04.840 My future is entirely compromised because Trump supporters have decided to come for my
00:09:10.500 life.
00:09:12.160 God, this sucks.
00:09:13.620 You guys suck.
00:09:15.460 I'm too strong for you.
00:09:17.780 I'm too strong for any of you.
00:09:20.880 All Lives Matter raises Trump supporters.
00:09:25.220 It sucks, but it doesn't suck as much as systemic racism, and I'm not going to stop using my platform
00:09:31.580 to advocate for it, and I'm sorry, Deloitte, that you can't see that.
00:09:35.640 That you are cowardice enough to fight somebody who's going to make an indelible change in
00:09:41.640 the world and is going to have an impact.
00:09:44.400 Yeah, those mean conservatives who are spreading her video around. 0.99
00:09:48.800 How dare they?
00:09:50.100 She's the one who gets to spread her video around.
00:09:52.820 And death threats against her?
00:09:54.220 Well, I'm sorry if that actually did happen in any real or serious way.
00:09:58.480 It's odd, though, coming from someone who just threatened to stab people and watch them
00:10:04.420 bleed out.
00:10:05.420 But still, now, don't worry for this young lass.
00:10:08.960 I think she's going to be just fine.
00:10:10.580 I think she'll probably be hired by Black Lives Matter. 1.00
00:10:13.900 Maybe she'll even claim that she is black, like Rachel Dolezal and Sean King do. 0.99
00:10:19.500 A couple of white kids pretending to be black activists for the street cred.
00:10:23.260 Clara certainly is using a ghetto slang. 1.00
00:10:26.700 I don't get it.
00:10:28.780 I have to tell you, Clara Janover may be a Harvard grad, and she may have secured a position
00:10:33.460 with Deloitte that she's now lost.
00:10:35.920 But I think she actually wants to be internet famous. 0.95
00:10:38.200 That's her real ambition in life.
00:10:39.480 Look at this.
00:10:40.060 This is her TikTok page.
00:10:41.140 I think right now she's actually having the best moment of her life.
00:10:44.300 Look at all her videos.
00:10:45.540 Dozens.
00:10:47.080 Like a teenage girl trying to get attention to some boy. 0.65
00:10:51.320 Skimpy clothes.
00:10:52.800 Dramatic, passionate, thespian monologues.
00:10:56.440 Except she's a Harvard woman in her 20s, and she demands to be taken seriously. 1.00
00:11:02.520 You know, that all looks bad on her, but it looks pretty bad on Harvard, too, if this 0.56
00:11:06.120 is the quality of their graduate in 2020.
00:11:09.720 But don't worry.
00:11:10.380 She'll be just fine.
00:11:11.660 There are a number of Clara Janover crowdfunding pages out there already.
00:11:15.480 Here's one.
00:11:16.760 Thousands of dollars pouring in.
00:11:18.280 And I'm not exactly sure what the money is for, other than for her being famous.
00:11:23.040 She's just monetizing her 15 seconds of fame. 1.00
00:11:26.860 You know, I've fought against cancel culture for years. 0.92
00:11:29.260 We've been the target of cancel culture over here.
00:11:32.340 Here's a young woman with everything going for her, and she threatened to stab people who 0.99
00:11:38.020 disagreed with her.
00:11:38.700 So her job is canceled. 0.55
00:11:40.700 I'd call that karma.
00:11:42.640 And I'd say it's a bit tough to muster any support for her.
00:11:46.380 Would you actually want to work in a cubicle next to this stabby young lady? 1.00
00:11:51.840 The thing is, I bet this is the first time in her life that anyone has ever said no to her.
00:11:57.640 No one at her university surely did.
00:11:59.700 Not professors, not other students.
00:12:02.580 It's all permissive.
00:12:03.520 It's all harmonic.
00:12:04.500 No disagreements allowed.
00:12:06.020 That's called triggering.
00:12:07.940 But she believes, I guess, in stabbing people who are disagreeable.
00:12:12.600 The first time she was ever said no to, and she is shocked, or at least shocked for the
00:12:18.400 cameras.
00:12:19.360 And look at the mess she's in, all lovingly recorded for the cameras. 0.99
00:12:23.240 Oh, she's done so many videos, even since.
00:12:25.960 Yeah, come to think of it, Clara Janover is exactly. 0.98
00:12:29.700 What an Ivy League university education is in 2020.
00:12:35.300 Hey, parents, save your three, four hundred grand and send your kids to community college
00:12:41.560 instead.
00:12:42.760 Stay with us for more.
00:12:43.780 Well, Justin Trudeau and ethics and secret deals are back in the news again.
00:13:01.500 I don't know if you've been following it, but nearly a billion dollars in a private soul-sourced
00:13:07.540 no competition deal have been agreed to by Trudeau to his favorite PR group called We Day.
00:13:15.540 That's run by the Kielberger brothers.
00:13:17.700 It's basically huge liberal-style rallies in stadiums where Trudeau or his wife or other
00:13:26.420 liberal celebrities are introduced to young high school kids.
00:13:30.080 It's basically conditioning them to support liberals.
00:13:35.180 Trouble is, Trudeau has sent them close to a billion dollars to manage a volunteer program.
00:13:41.780 Whoever heard of volunteers being paid?
00:13:44.000 There's so many iffy and sketchy things here, including the fact that We Day just happens
00:13:49.160 to have paid for Sophie Trudeau and the kids and the mother-in-law to have an all-expense-paid
00:13:54.680 trip to London.
00:13:56.200 Isn't that cozy?
00:13:57.760 It reminds me, and we should remember, that Trudeau is a serial convict under the Conflict
00:14:04.660 of Interest Act as ruled by a quasi-judge, the Federal Ethics and Conflict of Interest Commissioner.
00:14:10.980 And that brings us to our story today.
00:14:12.700 You know, we have a number of fan-favorite guests.
00:14:16.360 And you'll immediately know who I'm talking about when I start to describe him.
00:14:20.980 He's a very senior hand who likes to take the wide view.
00:14:25.060 And when you take the wide view, you see not just the politics, but also the economics,
00:14:30.380 the law, the foreign affairs, the diplomacy.
00:14:33.620 And it helps to have that wide view sometimes, especially after we go so deep on some particular
00:14:39.020 detail down the rabbit hole.
00:14:40.400 And it won't surprise you that our guest today is a former managing partner of a national
00:14:46.140 law firm, former lawyer to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and he's now the boss of ThinkSharp.
00:14:51.880 I'm talking about our friend, Manny Montenegrino, who joins us now via Skype from Ottawa.
00:14:57.120 Manny, great to see you again.
00:14:58.440 And you've compiled another one of your master's theses on politics and Trudeau.
00:15:04.900 Why don't you just have at it?
00:15:06.120 And we're going to sit back and learn and listen.
00:15:07.880 Sure.
00:15:09.040 Thank you, Ezra.
00:15:09.980 Nice being with you.
00:15:12.560 What I'd like to talk about today, and thank you for the opportunity, is the two Michaels,
00:15:18.420 Michael Sporver and Michael Corbett, who are now, I think, 560 days in a Chinese lockup.
00:15:28.420 And there's been a lot of media with respect to that and how do we deal with it and our independence
00:15:33.960 of law.
00:15:37.980 And you know that I have been, at least on your show, every opportunity I get is to talk
00:15:42.960 about the two Michaels and how they've been ignored.
00:15:45.120 And recently, you've seen that there's a lot of media about the government having the ability
00:15:51.680 to, under the Extradition Act, we've got a brilliant decision by Brian Greenspan that
00:15:59.460 the Justice Minister can intervene, and Trudeau's holding out that he will not intervene because
00:16:05.200 of the independence of the judiciary.
00:16:07.100 So it's a tough issue, and, you know, clearly the human part of me wants these two Michaels
00:16:13.340 back.
00:16:14.260 The legal aspect of it, clearly we should not monkey around with our independence of the
00:16:21.520 judiciary.
00:16:22.420 That's what keeps Canada by far one of the greatest countries in the world.
00:16:26.680 So how do you square these?
00:16:28.060 And I've gone through the last little while and last three years of how do we make a decision
00:16:36.020 from this information?
00:16:38.120 And so we start back.
00:16:40.240 I mean, Ezra, first of all, I'm no fan of the communist China.
00:16:44.600 They have been doing as much illegality around the world as they can, when and if they can.
00:16:51.360 And we're seeing what's happening in Hong Kong.
00:16:53.620 Six million people have lost their rights, their human rights, and 300,000 of them are
00:17:01.360 Canadians, and the world is pretty silent about it.
00:17:04.800 So when I look at that, how do you square?
00:17:07.520 How do I square the fact that these two young, these two Michaels, these two Canadians should 1.00
00:17:12.460 be back in Canada and observe the rule of law that is so important to Canada, and there
00:17:18.720 should never be any interference by political interference?
00:17:22.480 Well, you know, in this case here, you look at the totality of it, and it's quite simple.
00:17:29.920 There has to be an admission by the prime minister that his conduct must compel these
00:17:37.760 two young men back home and must, in this specific fact situation, must have the minister
00:17:45.140 of justice deal with the issue of interfering.
00:17:50.580 And here's what I mean.
00:17:52.800 Brian Greenspan made a wonderful argument that in law, there is the legal ability for the minister
00:18:01.060 of justice to get involved.
00:18:02.560 But there has to be a compelling reason why.
00:18:04.940 And the compelling reason why, in this case, points directly to the prime minister.
00:18:09.840 He has conducted himself in such a way, many times, and you referred to it in your open
00:18:16.480 mind log, his breaches of ethics, his breaches of obstruction of law, that gives the right
00:18:22.160 to use that clause in the Extradition Act.
00:18:26.280 And you might recall, Ezra, September, it goes back to September 2018, five months, 10, 11 people
00:18:37.900 at the PMO obstructing and putting pressure on the attorney general to, on criminal matters
00:18:45.120 that dealt with SNC-Lavalin.
00:18:46.820 That led to his best friend, his parliamentary secretary resigning, buts, the clerk of the
00:18:55.880 Privy Council resigning, the firing of the attorney general and all that.
00:18:59.840 That played out publicly.
00:19:01.740 China saw that.
00:19:02.940 And what offends me the most is that there is no discussion in the media that a huge precedent
00:19:11.940 was created by this particular prime minister that can't no longer hide behind, we cannot
00:19:19.000 interfere with legal matters before the courts.
00:19:22.380 He interfered time and time again.
00:19:24.860 And so, for those reasons, I think, and China watched it, China watched the unraveling of
00:19:32.900 our justice system with the firing of the attorney general, the quitting of the MP, and all that
00:19:38.900 happened underneath, and as well, as you put it, you know, the ethics commissioner, Mario
00:19:44.460 Dion, does a very detailed review and finds that there's a second conflict of interest in
00:19:53.340 an obstruction of justice, the prime minister personally trying to help a criminal matter.
00:20:00.620 In my understanding, you're right, you're saying, and I want to make sure I get this,
00:20:04.740 you are saying, are you, that Canada should do what Brian Greenspan and the 19 senior ex-judges
00:20:16.940 and lawyers and professors and diplomats are saying?
00:20:19.740 Are you advocating that Trudeau have the justice minister set Meng Wanzhou, the Chinese CFO and
00:20:30.660 executive, free in return for the two Michaels?
00:20:34.400 Are you supporting that proposal?
00:20:37.760 No.
00:20:38.100 Okay, I am, I'm getting to the same conclusion.
00:20:41.720 But they are not brave enough or honest enough to get to the conclusion on how I got to the
00:20:48.420 conclusion.
00:20:49.480 So, so, so they're coming, you know, it offends me to see that a bulk of our ex-liberal cabinet
00:20:57.680 ministers and even the ex-prime minister is now on retainer with China.
00:21:02.000 It bothers me that there's, China gave $200,000 to the Trudeau Foundation.
00:21:11.460 It bothers me that China is so infiltrated within our government that it uses its funds and ability 0.92
00:21:17.300 to shape the policies of Canada.
00:21:22.760 I am coming to the same conclusion as they are, but I'm coming to it honestly.
00:21:28.260 I'm coming to it with great difficulty, but with using the law and the facts of this particular
00:21:37.620 case.
00:21:38.100 And here's what I mean, Ezra.
00:21:40.280 There's no instance, almost never should the government be involved in the, involving itself
00:21:48.720 in a matter before the courts.
00:21:51.520 But in this rare and exceptional case where you have the prime minister of Canada found
00:21:57.660 guilty by the ethics commissioner of, of conflict of interest in the guise of an obstruction
00:22:06.000 of justice.
00:22:06.640 When you have the prime minister taking money or his family trust or his family fund taking
00:22:13.100 money from the Chinese.
00:22:14.160 When these facts are there and the Chinese communist government is watching and the Chinese government
00:22:20.880 is watching and saying, we see what you have done.
00:22:25.180 We see that you've been found guilty.
00:22:26.800 This is the way we do business here.
00:22:29.260 This is the way you do business here.
00:22:31.340 So why not?
00:22:33.260 And my point is, if I were arguing for the Michaels, I wouldn't be arguing that.
00:22:38.640 I mean, the law is there, but where is the opportunity, where are the facts to find itself
00:22:44.660 within the law?
00:22:45.480 And the opportunity, in fact, is that the prime minister of Canada personally, personally
00:22:51.240 was found to be in conflict of interest with the SNC-Lavalin, removed the attorney general.
00:22:57.340 That's never happened in Canada's history.
00:22:59.560 He was not investigated by the RCMP.
00:23:02.760 And there's a, you know, we see what's happening with the commissioner today.
00:23:05.700 We know now why, but there is enough legal jurisprudence by the decision, as you put
00:23:12.520 it, by the commissioner, Mario Dion, where he finds an obstruction.
00:23:18.200 So when I look at, should the law be applied, should the exemption be applied under the
00:23:23.800 Extradiction Act, the answer is always no.
00:23:26.900 So I would be always saying never, never get yourself involved.
00:23:30.620 But in this particular case, because of the facts, where the prime minister personally
00:23:36.660 obstructed justice, where the prime minister was found to be in conflict of interest for
00:23:42.560 obstruction of justice, where the prime minister acted so recklessly that the clerk of the Privy
00:23:48.420 Council had to resign, where the principal secretary had to resign, where the attorney general
00:23:54.900 was removed from her post, where another, the minister of, at that time, the minister of
00:23:59.920 health quit and resigned, Jane Philippot, because of the obstruction.
00:24:04.940 When all these facts are there and the world knows it, and China knows it, China is saying,
00:24:10.220 hey, we took these kids because we thought you'd understand.
00:24:14.080 You're the same as we are.
00:24:15.500 So for their case, I would argue the facts that are so egregious and offensive and should
00:24:23.760 be offensive to every Canadian that believes in rule of law, the facts in this case here
00:24:28.380 should permit these two Michaels to come home.
00:24:31.760 Manny, I agree with you in one way, which is that China senses Trudeau is weak and corrupt,
00:24:40.460 so they thought this gambit would work.
00:24:43.140 They would never do this against Donald Trump.
00:24:45.500 Right.
00:24:46.560 So I accept your thesis that Trudeau's history of corruption, his history of interfering with
00:24:53.820 the justice system, may have given China courage to do this kidnapping.
00:24:59.800 I accept that.
00:25:01.140 But the second part, Manny, I don't think I've ever disagreed with you in the two decades we've
00:25:05.780 known each other.
00:25:06.440 Right.
00:25:06.860 But I have to disagree with you here in such a friendly and respectful way.
00:25:11.140 Sure.
00:25:11.700 Because just because China thought our whole system was corrupt, because Trudeau tried
00:25:17.800 to corrupt it once, doesn't mean we should make that true and make it correct.
00:25:21.500 No, and I agree.
00:25:23.000 And I agree.
00:25:23.780 And let me throw two more things at you.
00:25:25.440 Sure.
00:25:25.540 I'd like you to answer these points.
00:25:26.860 Sure.
00:25:27.120 I'll be brief, and I want to hear from you because I want to give you a chance to respond
00:25:33.240 to two key points.
00:25:34.440 One is, I think it is morally inappropriate to interfere with our justice system.
00:25:42.060 It'll have a domino effect.
00:25:44.920 Other politicians will do it at other levels of the government.
00:25:47.440 We'll change the public civic duty in this country if we be so brazen about it.
00:25:55.360 I'm worried it'll ruin our reputation for rule of law morally.
00:25:58.720 And number two, we'll send a message to every would-be kidnapper thug around the world that
00:26:03.800 all you have to do is kidnap someone and we'll break our own laws for it.
00:26:07.120 So it's not just the moral reasons we don't want to corrupt our system.
00:26:10.760 It's, you know, as Rudyard Kipling said, once you pay the Dane geld, you'll never get
00:26:14.500 rid of the Dane talking about paying ransom to Vikings, well, they'll keep coming back.
00:26:19.360 So what do you, so I hear what you're saying as a strictly as a thought exercise, but in
00:26:25.300 real life to actually say, hey, release the prisoner, even though a court just ruled she 0.98
00:26:30.540 should stand trial, is not only damaging to the rule of law, but it sends a signal to
00:26:35.120 the world, you can push us around.
00:26:36.500 What do you make of those two objections, Manny?
00:26:38.840 Those are, I agree, Ezra, 100% of what you said.
00:26:44.500 And in the normal course, I would agree.
00:26:47.640 I'm talking about the specific facts of this case here.
00:26:51.120 The specific facts, we've never had a prime minister, ever, and we will never have a prime
00:26:58.300 minister, ever, found in conflict of interest, obstruction of justice.
00:27:03.660 But we did, and we have.
00:27:05.360 And he continues to do it, as you, you know, with his conflicts, he's now, I think, 13 charges
00:27:12.900 were found on this section, on two different, very lengthy legal opinions by the ethics, or
00:27:20.000 the ethics commissioner.
00:27:21.520 There, and it continues.
00:27:23.860 But where you have that, and Ezra, here's where I, Ezra, I struggled as much as you did with
00:27:29.560 this.
00:27:30.400 But in this case here, I liken it to the fact where you have a bad cop, or a bad, yeah,
00:27:41.200 investigator that comes in and breaks one's charter rights.
00:27:47.200 And the charter rights, and let's say they go in without a warrant, and they find guns,
00:27:52.700 and they find all the incriminating evidence.
00:27:55.920 But they break the charter rights of that individual.
00:27:58.480 That individual gets to walk.
00:28:00.840 He gets to get a stay.
00:28:02.640 Where you act.
00:28:03.480 So what's more important to me is where you have here, in this case here, and if there's
00:28:11.680 such a concept, the prime minister of Canada breaching the charter rights of these two individuals
00:28:18.040 by acting so negligently and forcefully creating obstruction of justice to allow rogue regimes
00:28:25.780 like China to act upon it, there's where the exemption falls.
00:28:31.860 I mean, it's the facts in this case that drive me to that conclusion.
00:28:36.360 I would be, Ezra, I'm exactly like you.
00:28:39.840 Forever and a day, we protect our justice system.
00:28:43.020 But when the prime minister abuses the justice system and two young men are in jail because
00:28:48.620 of his conduct and his acts, those men stand above because of the egregious acts of the
00:28:55.520 prime minister.
00:28:56.460 So, you know, that's where I come from.
00:28:58.560 If the prime minister's egregious acts had touched the Meng Wanzhou case, I could understand
00:29:03.920 it because that would be like your analogy.
00:29:06.400 If a cop breaks a rule during an arrest, the perp walks free, even if they really shouldn't.
00:29:12.320 But Trudeau's shenanigans didn't have anything to do with Meng Wanzhou.
00:29:16.300 They're just taking an opportunity.
00:29:18.160 China took an opportunistic attack.
00:29:19.960 I don't know, Manny, I'm unpersuaded.
00:29:23.540 And I just, and actually, I have to tell you, I mean, I criticize Trudeau so full-time.
00:29:28.180 It's like a full-time job for me.
00:29:29.800 My last three books in a row, Trumping Trudeau, the Libranos, and now China virus, they're 0.61
00:29:34.820 all criticizing Trudeau.
00:29:36.020 I'm second to none on that.
00:29:37.660 But I will give the lad credit for one thing.
00:29:40.900 When he was presented with this 19 signatures, including a former Supreme Court judge saying,
00:29:46.140 do the prisoner swap, he actually, to my shock, rejected it.
00:29:51.980 And I thought, you know what?
00:29:53.540 That's the first thing I can think of in five years that not only is he right, but he did
00:29:58.640 with a little bit of courage.
00:30:00.440 And I, I don't know, I just feel like I see you want them back and you're trying to, like
00:30:06.160 a good lawyer, come up with some thread to do it.
00:30:09.160 But just from a principled reason, and I tell you, you do that.
00:30:12.440 Not only does China crow, we, we handle Canada, we boss Canada around, we won the staring contest 0.88
00:30:19.420 with Canada, but they're going to take another hostage the next day and see what they can
00:30:23.560 get from that.
00:30:24.380 And maybe Iran will take a hostage. 0.65
00:30:26.620 Maybe Russia will take a hostage. 0.82
00:30:28.580 And before you know it, everyone knows you can, under Justin Trudeau, you can take a hostage
00:30:33.440 and get what you want.
00:30:34.940 Ezra, that's, that's so true.
00:30:37.000 And that's the risk that you put yourself when you have what I'll call an errant prime
00:30:42.600 minister at the helm.
00:30:44.320 I mean, we are at risk to everything.
00:30:46.020 If you honestly believe, and Ezra, you're way too smart for this.
00:30:50.240 If you honestly believe that Justin Trudeau has now found a spine and a dose of honesty
00:30:57.560 to reject what was presented to him to stand for justice, you know that's not true.
00:31:04.140 You know, this all is staged.
00:31:07.100 This is all staged to make Justin Trudeau undo the damage that he did for 10 years, for
00:31:12.980 the few years with, with the attorney general.
00:31:16.520 This is all staged.
00:31:17.780 It has nothing to do with those two young men.
00:31:20.000 This is to do, to build the re-reputation of Trudeau, pretend that he is a defender of
00:31:25.240 justice.
00:31:25.740 And he's not.
00:31:26.380 Because you cannot be a defender of justice, even to this day.
00:31:32.620 Ezra, I mean, come on, you're better than this.
00:31:36.700 Even to this day, the guy's giving a billion dollars to the We Foundation after he's gone
00:31:42.720 through the whole affair and found in his first conflict of interest when he went to
00:31:50.180 the Aga Khan's Island, the very same problem.
00:31:52.940 He gave $50 million, $40 million, should have recused himself.
00:31:56.160 He shouldn't have been there.
00:31:57.320 Now we have direct evidence that he did call.
00:32:00.360 There was a call.
00:32:01.620 And there's a billion dollars given.
00:32:02.800 So he is not concerned about justice, ethics, or duty.
00:32:07.880 He's now going to be reported again for this issue.
00:32:11.880 And I'm sure the We Foundation, the commissioner, will find that he breached his duties again.
00:32:16.880 He is not concerned about justice.
00:32:18.720 This is a reputation building by his, what I'll call the liberal gang, the liberal elite,
00:32:24.860 to make him look strong on justice.
00:32:26.880 I don't buy it a bit, Ezra.
00:32:28.940 I'm still thinking of those two young men that were put in this position because directly
00:32:35.020 related to the Prime Minister's Act.
00:32:37.200 And for that reason, the Prime Minister, here's what should happen, Ezra.
00:32:40.700 In my view, what should happen, our media should at least, and I say media excludes Rebel
00:32:47.140 and you guys because you're doing a job that is incredible.
00:32:49.980 But the rest of the 99% paid media, what they should be doing is be honest.
00:32:55.740 These two young men are in trouble because the Prime Minister acted recklessly with the
00:33:00.240 and there should be a call for him to say, I screwed up.
00:33:04.240 I acted recklessly.
00:33:05.600 Honestly, there is a decision by the ethics commissioner that says, I obstructed justice
00:33:10.400 because of my conduct.
00:33:12.500 These two men are there and I have to get them back.
00:33:15.240 That's what has to happen.
00:33:16.660 It's through his direct actions that these two young men are found and now charged.
00:33:22.300 I'm sure China is just beside themselves saying, hey, why isn't this guy doing it?
00:33:28.780 Look at his record.
00:33:29.620 He's still doing it with the We Foundation.
00:33:31.740 This is the same guy.
00:33:33.400 So this is not a man that's concerned about justice.
00:33:37.160 If he was concerned about justice, there wouldn't be 15 guilty pleas under the 15 different
00:33:41.960 sections of the Conflict of Interest Act.
00:33:44.040 He wouldn't have members of cabinet that were also found guilty in conflict of interest.
00:33:51.320 This is not a man of justice.
00:33:53.240 This is not a man of concern of justice.
00:33:56.160 You know, with respect to another issue, we are in a pandemic and the pandemic, we slammed
00:34:04.180 the curve, I would say, around April or so.
00:34:07.460 When was the last time anyone talked about, when did this minister, this Prime Minister,
00:34:11.840 talk about the Charter of Rights of Individuals?
00:34:14.460 It wasn't even mentioned.
00:34:15.860 Yeah.
00:34:16.080 Well, he's all holed up and I call it self-hiding.
00:34:19.020 It's not even self-quarantity, he's just hiding from the world, living like a reculus. 1.00
00:34:24.040 It's very strange.
00:34:25.260 Well, Manny, listen, I appreciate you making the case.
00:34:27.480 I myself have to tell you, I am not convinced, but it was an excellent exercise.
00:34:32.400 You would make an outstanding law school professor because you certainly make students think.
00:34:38.900 I'm going to invite our viewers to weigh in with their thought on your approach.
00:34:43.920 I'm a skeptic, you heard my reasons why.
00:34:46.560 Send me a note to Ezra at rebelnews.com and I'll read some of the replies on tomorrow's
00:34:51.940 show.
00:34:52.140 In the meantime, Manny, always an education, always a thought-provoking conversation and
00:34:57.560 we love you and we can hardly wait to talk to you again soon.
00:35:01.000 Thank you, Ezra.
00:35:01.720 Take care.
00:35:02.160 All right, there you have it.
00:35:02.780 Manny Montenegreno, the CEO of ThinkSharp, joined us via Skype from Ottawa.
00:35:08.300 Stay with us for more.
00:35:09.060 Hey, welcome back.
00:35:22.780 Well, I didn't expect that from Manny Montenegreno.
00:35:25.220 I think he was trying to make the intellectual case that Justin Trudeau should confess that
00:35:30.280 he's a corrupter of our legal system and let Meng Wanzhou go on that basis.
00:35:35.080 I think that's what he was getting at.
00:35:36.580 I'm not quite sure.
00:35:37.380 I was surprised that he wanted to let Meng Wanzhou go.
00:35:40.760 I think his point is Trudeau is just so corrupt he should come clean about it.
00:35:44.660 Well, I agree with that part of it, but I don't see the linkage to letting an actual accused
00:35:51.020 criminal like Meng Wanzhou go.
00:35:53.280 What do you think about Clara Janover?
00:35:55.380 I tell you, every young person wants to be internet famous.
00:35:59.400 I don't know.
00:35:59.840 I'm not such a young person and I suppose I value internet fame, but not fame for itself.
00:36:04.160 I have a message.
00:36:05.100 I have a story to tell.
00:36:07.200 We have news to report.
00:36:08.260 We have commentary and activism.
00:36:10.260 If I look at TikTok before I deleted it from my phone, there's countless people who just
00:36:14.420 want to be famous just for a moment.
00:36:16.680 I think Clara Janover much prefers her TikTok fame than an actual hard work job at Deloitte. 1.00
00:36:22.980 Well, let me know what you think on all these subjects.
00:36:25.320 Go to hezra at rebelnews.com.
00:36:27.480 Especially Manny's idea.
00:36:30.340 Do you think he was just speaking as a thought exercise, an imagination exercise?
00:36:34.660 Let me know.
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