Rebel News Podcast - India starts to unhook itself from China — and China isn't pleased

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I talk a little bit about the shooting war between India and China.

00:00:06.160 I really think it has not had a lot of media coverage. I mean, those are two titans,

00:00:11.020 the two largest countries in the world by population, both of them of nuclear arms.

00:00:15.660 They're fighting high in the mountains, dozens dead. I think it's nuts. What's going to happen?

00:00:22.740 Well, one of the things that has happened is that ordinary people in India have said,

00:00:26.300 we got to unhook from China. And I'm going to tell you some of the steps they've taken. I think 0.99

00:00:30.320 it's very interesting. It's so interesting to see another country unhooked from China,

00:00:35.440 to know that there are Democrats in the world who could be our allies. And maybe there's some

00:00:41.380 lessons we can learn. There's a few things I want to show you in particular, a video and an app. I

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00:01:35.880 Tonight, India starts to unhook itself from China. I'll show you how they're trying to do it and what 0.99

00:01:49.800 China is saying in reply. It's Dominion Day, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:54.340 A few days ago, we spoke with our friend Gordon Chang about the military skirmish between India and

00:02:19.780 China. I can't think of anything that would be higher stakes. Both are mighty nations of over

00:02:25.480 a billion people. Both have nuclear weapons. Imagine the two of them actually having a hot

00:02:30.740 war, or at least a hot battle. It's unclear how many soldiers on each side died, but it's in the

00:02:36.020 dozens. It's not the first war China and India have had. Back in 1962, thousands died in a war between

00:02:43.720 the two. Back then, America gave some moral support to India in the 60s, but America wouldn't sell

00:02:49.660 India advanced fighter jets. So the Soviet Union stepped in and helped India. This was when the

00:02:56.020 Soviet Union and Communist China were breaking ranks with each other. So the USSR was moving against

00:03:01.000 China and moving to bring India within its orbit. And you know, for a generation to follow, India was 0.97

00:03:07.020 aligned with the Soviets. What a missed opportunity. I'm so glad India has moved back into a Western 1.00

00:03:13.340 orbit, particularly under Donald Trump and Narendra Modi, who have actually attended massive rallies for

00:03:19.160 each other in each other's countries. But back to the war, it was limited this time, a fraction of

00:03:24.480 the carnage from 60 years ago, but it opened the old wounds. One big difference now, though, is that

00:03:29.880 India and China are so integrated economically and technologically, just like we are. In India,

00:03:38.000 they use Chinese apps just like we do. Their kids make TikTok videos just like ours do. They buy

00:03:44.100 equipment and gadgets from China, just like we do. Obviously, there has been a rivalry with China,

00:03:50.140 just like has been a rivalry between China and America and China and Canada, though we refuse to

00:03:55.880 acknowledge it. But a shooting war seemed to focus the mind of the Indian people. As we showed you when 0.51

00:04:01.940 we spoke with Gordon Chang, there was an immediate repercussion. Indian companies that have been looking

00:04:06.440 to make huge corporate deals with Chinese companies put that on hold. I mean, fair enough. I bet there were

00:04:14.100 American and Japanese companies on December 7th, 1941, until Pearl Harbor happened. So you had a large 0.55

00:04:21.520 corporate response. But recently in India, there has been a grassroots response. Indian people,

00:04:27.300 not just politicians and military leaders, but cultural and youth leaders and Bollywood and cool

00:04:33.700 people, came out for India's separation from China, too. You know, I've been watching some of it. As you

00:04:38.920 know, a lot of people in India speak English. It really is the second language over there. You could say

00:04:43.200 it's the first language, because everyone speaks it in addition to their other language. I have to 0.99

00:04:49.040 tell you, speaking personally, I really enjoy hearing these strong statements spoken in English with an

00:04:53.800 Indian accent. It makes me feel like we have allies around the world. And in the case of India, a big, 0.99

00:04:59.520 strong, growing, populist, democratic ally that has many of our traditions at having been in the British

00:05:06.920 empire for so long, just like we were. Here's 30 seconds from a typical Indian newscast. I love how 0.95

00:05:13.000 busy and colorful their TV screens are. There's way too much for me to process. There's like eight

00:05:18.440 things going on. I've never been to India. But in my mind, that's how I imagine the streets to be busy,

00:05:24.520 cacophonous, a bit chaotic. But I think they're getting a bit tougher.

00:05:28.560 Occasion that led to the violent clash and a faceoff in Ladakh at the border is only growing.

00:05:34.200 There's a massive anti-China sentiment at this point in time in the country. And it cannot be

00:05:39.220 business as usual. The government has taken a lead in this direction. It has asked key sectors to

00:05:44.240 reduce its dependency on Chinese products. And similarly, the civil society is also now supporting

00:05:50.480 the call to boycott Chinese products. Not just that, top traders body also has written a letter now to

00:05:56.420 the Bollywood celebrities and asked them to stop endorsing Chinese products.

00:06:01.100 So that's a typical newscast these days. Let me show you an online influencer. Again,

00:06:05.400 I love how he switches back and forth into English. I presume his other language is Hindi.

00:06:09.640 Forgive me if I have that wrong. I think this guy in this gala is sort of cool.

00:06:12.700 But the good thing is that you and me can save the Indian economy.

00:06:17.240 We have to save the Indian economy from this crisis. We have to fight a long fight.

00:06:21.200 But in this fight, we have to go to the shops. We don't have to take a lot of food.

00:06:24.220 We don't have to take a lot of food. We don't have to take a lot of food. We don't have to kill anyone.

00:06:27.900 We have to keep the economy alive. We have to take a lot of food in this country.

00:06:30.020 In this fight, we have to take a lot of food that will make the food that will make this country.

00:06:35.020 When you buy any product that's made in India, you can help boost the manufacturing sector,

00:06:39.980 which is the backbone of any country. You can help increase the employment in India

00:06:44.200 and the money stays in our country.

00:06:46.120 So, do you want to become a soldier? Do you want to be a soldier in the army?

00:06:51.280 So, just tell us about one Indian product that you use in your social media.

00:06:55.800 Tap your three friends and then also join in the army.

00:06:59.360 This chain of people will motivate people to use Indian products.

00:07:03.720 Germany, Japan, Russia, we give these countries an example.

00:07:06.800 After World War II, this country will also be completely destroyed.

00:07:11.640 And yet, these countries stand strong because every person did their bit to build the country again.

00:07:17.480 So, let's go.

00:07:18.480 We fight against the border of this power, and we buy products in the country.

00:07:22.360 Don't forget, make a video post about any one Indian product that you use.

00:07:26.360 And tag three friends to encourage them to do the same.

00:07:29.160 Join the movement.

00:07:30.600 Use the hashtags MayBhiFawji and JanataArmy.

00:07:33.280 Log on to MayBhiFawji.com to know more about the movement.

00:07:36.200 I will become a soldier in this country, because in this country, MayBhiFawji. 1.00

00:07:41.280 They've got a bunch of videos, including one that gives tips on how to slowly delete one Chinese app 0.95

00:07:47.000 or replace one Chinese product in your life, like a cell phone or something like that.

00:07:52.600 Just once a month, slowly, but surely.

00:07:56.200 I'm not trying to go cold turkey to get off Chinese products.

00:07:59.120 It's probably impossible.

00:08:00.600 But to slowly and thoughtfully make choices, like instead of a Chinese-made cell phone, another one. 0.97

00:08:06.200 Maybe one made in Korea or, I don't know, one made in India.

00:08:09.600 We could do that same thing, too.

00:08:11.440 Just slowly, methodically choose not to buy Chinese stuff.

00:08:15.080 I guess I like the fact that ordinary young Indians are saying this. 0.94

00:08:18.520 And I love hearing it in the sing-song switch between English and Hindi.

00:08:22.240 So, the Indian economic pride has been percolating for a while organically, like videos I just showed you.

00:08:28.120 But then the government of China just announced, well, they're going to make the decision for everyone, and they banned 59 Chinese apps.

00:08:37.720 India bans nearly 60 Chinese apps, including TikTok and WeChat.

00:08:43.320 The move is part of the tit-for-tat retaliation after the Indian and Chinese militaries clashed earlier this month.

00:08:48.920 Sure, it's true, it is tit-for-tat, but it also has value in other ways.

00:08:52.560 TikTok and other Chinese apps, you know, they spy on you, right? 1.00

00:08:55.660 That's why I deleted it from my phone.

00:08:57.540 I saw this the other day online.

00:08:59.560 You know, the Apple iPhone operating system called iOS, the new one, tells you whenever an app is reading whatever's on your clipboard.

00:09:09.460 You know what a clipboard is when you copy and paste something, like an email that's stored temporarily, it's called a clipboard.

00:09:16.360 It's actually, obviously, just digital.

00:09:18.660 But TikTok reads that.

00:09:20.820 Look at the top there.

00:09:22.140 It's going nuts.

00:09:23.120 TikTok spies on your clipboard every few seconds.

00:09:27.660 And that was just revealed because the new iOS system shows you that.

00:09:31.740 So, holy cow. 0.90

00:09:33.980 So, yeah, I mean, imagine if you copied a password, right?

00:09:36.220 If you copied and pasted a password, well, now TikTok's read it.

00:09:39.640 How do you feel about that?

00:09:41.700 So, yeah, as the New York Times says, it is tit-for-tat.

00:09:43.920 But it's also about security, isn't it?

00:09:45.800 I know a lot of teenage girls in India are going to be sad that they can't do karaoke videos on TikTok now.

00:09:51.340 Yeah, I know that's going to happen.

00:09:52.560 But I'm guessing a Made in India app or a Made in America app that does a pretty good job of replicating the fun parts of the TikTok experience will come along pretty soon.

00:10:01.140 And it won't spy on your clipboard.

00:10:03.200 You know, entrepreneurs came up with a way of rooting out all the Made in China stuff from your phone in India. 0.99

00:10:10.840 They actually created an app that is called Remove China Apps.

00:10:15.720 It'll just do it for you.

00:10:17.160 But would you look at this?

00:10:20.160 Google, the pro-China multinational company that refuses to work for the U.S. Pentagon, but that accepts work in China,

00:10:28.140 they have banned that Remove China app from their app store.

00:10:33.820 In the battle between the democracies and China, Google has chosen sides, haven't they? 0.92

00:10:39.060 They chose the dictatorship because they think that's where the cash is.

00:10:43.460 So that's the Indian side.

00:10:44.660 How about the Chinese side?

00:10:45.540 How are they handling this whole shooting war?

00:10:47.680 It's always a possibility that China chose this moment to fight with India to distract from its own economic and health hardships,

00:10:55.300 to get its people looking at something else.

00:10:58.300 It's sort of dictatorship 101, isn't it?

00:11:00.360 Have an external enemy.

00:11:02.780 Or maybe China just genuinely thinks this is a good time to cause trouble in the region

00:11:06.660 because the whole world is focused on other things, especially America is focused on other things.

00:11:11.540 But I read a report that the domestic Chinese propaganda media, as in what is shown to Chinese citizens,

00:11:18.240 has actually been almost silent about this fight with India.

00:11:22.480 They haven't used it as a glorious moment.

00:11:24.600 They haven't been showing footage of it, whipping up their citizens against India.

00:11:28.720 They've just almost totally ignored it, just barely mentioned it within China.

00:11:34.640 Now, that suggests that they don't think it's going well, I would guess,

00:11:38.700 or they don't think it would go over well.

00:11:40.980 I'm just guessing here.

00:11:42.120 But I also follow what China is saying to the outside world in English, outside the Great Firewall of China.

00:11:47.860 I follow Global Times.

00:11:50.320 That's an English-language foreign policy propaganda outlet for China.

00:11:56.060 I follow them because I want to see what they're saying.

00:11:58.120 Every hour, they keep telling India how it's making a terrible mistake by unhooking from China.

00:12:03.760 I mean, look at this.

00:12:04.460 This is just from today.

00:12:06.080 Just today.

00:12:07.400 India's app ban, which selectively and discriminatorily targets dozens of Chinese apps

00:12:11.760 on ambiguous and far-fetched grounds, is an abuse of national security exceptions

00:12:16.760 and a suspected violation of relevant WTO rules.

00:12:20.460 China Embassy in India.

00:12:22.940 Here's another one.

00:12:23.980 India's app ban has made its political crackdown on Chinese companies open and blatant.

00:12:27.740 India shouldn't underestimate the consequences of economic war. 0.99

00:12:30.720 Indian nationalism may see more losses than Doklam crisis.

00:12:35.100 And then again, Chinese investors are mulling whether to cut ties with India amid the onslaught

00:12:40.020 of COVID-19, a rise of Indian nationalism, and geopolitical threats against Chinese businesses

00:12:45.020 following border climate.

00:12:46.180 I'm going to read one more.

00:12:47.920 India's app ban will hurt Indian IT workers and escalate tensions.

00:12:51.980 Recent China-India border tensions must not be turned into an opportunity for warmongers in India.

00:12:56.380 India, that's all just from a few hours today.

00:13:00.760 I think maybe they're panicking in Beijing.

00:13:03.940 And this is from the editor of Global Times.

00:13:07.060 He's the chief Chinese foreign policy propagandist in the country, I guess,

00:13:12.960 who I should tell you, this is sort of weird,

00:13:15.980 he personally follows me on Twitter.

00:13:18.000 I don't know if you can see that there, but 391,000 people in the world follow him on Twitter.

00:13:24.580 He only follows 669 people back in the whole world, including moi.

00:13:32.020 In some ways, I'm a bit nervous about that.

00:13:35.980 But in other ways, I want him to read what I have to say.

00:13:38.380 I want him to hear the voice of dissent and democracy and liberty, the other side of the story.

00:13:42.860 Anyway, so I haven't blocked him.

00:13:46.040 Here's what he tweeted about India.

00:13:49.500 Well, even if Chinese people want to boycott Indian products,

00:13:52.720 they can't really find many Indian goods.

00:13:55.800 Indian friends, you need to have some things that are more important than nationalism.

00:14:00.920 What?

00:14:02.240 This is your diplomacy?

00:14:04.020 You guys really can't really make anything good.

00:14:06.160 You can't really do anything yourselves, India. 1.00

00:14:08.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:10.140 I'm not sure if that's going to persuade Indian people to come back as customers to China, buddy.

00:14:15.400 I like it, though.

00:14:16.420 It's probably pushing India away. 1.00

00:14:19.340 Sixty years ago, India was pushed into the arms of the Soviet Union.

00:14:22.820 Today, I hope India is pushed to become more independent from China 1.00

00:14:27.100 and more of a friend to the free countries of the world,

00:14:31.040 including one day, I hope, us here in Canada,

00:14:34.460 when we, too, learn to show some self-respect

00:14:38.560 and unhook ourselves from China, too.

00:14:43.680 Stay with us for a moment.

00:14:55.700 Well, don't we live in a bizarre age?

00:14:58.420 And I think things would be worse in Canada.

00:15:01.340 It would be more like the United States.

00:15:03.100 We would see more street violence, more cancel culture, except for one thing.

00:15:08.440 In Canada, well, the institutions have pretty much already fallen.

00:15:12.980 In the United States, they're trying to topple Donald Trump.

00:15:15.960 Here in Canada, no need to topple.

00:15:18.480 Trudeau is fully ensconced.

00:15:20.060 They'll take down some statues and smash some police departments.

00:15:24.340 I see today they've decided to rename a Navy ship, a Coast Guard ship,

00:15:28.540 because the name is too politically incorrect.

00:15:31.560 So I think that one of the reasons things aren't worse here is because they're already pretty bad.

00:15:37.900 And one of the worst things in Canada, politically speaking,

00:15:41.440 is the sameness, the timidness, the submissiveness,

00:15:46.020 the obedience of the media party, at least in the United States.

00:15:50.900 You still have Fox News and talk radio and healthy websites from The Blaze to CRTV.

00:15:58.420 Here in Canada, it's pretty lonely.

00:16:01.960 And so in the days and weeks ahead, one of the things I want to do is I want to talk to my friends

00:16:05.740 and in some cases acquaintances and in some cases strangers

00:16:08.780 in what I hope is a nascent conservative media ecosystem.

00:16:15.520 Little green shoots of independent-minded journalists who are going to give the big boys a run for their money

00:16:23.060 because I think that is the key to reversing this trend.

00:16:27.620 I think we have to see the other side of the story before we can fix the story.

00:16:33.860 And I think one of the most important independent media outlets in Canada,

00:16:38.860 well, you won't be surprised who I'm interviewing today,

00:16:41.640 her name is Candice Malcolm, and she's the founder of True North.

00:16:45.900 Candice, it's great to see you again.

00:16:47.340 Don't mind me.

00:16:48.380 I'm not putting too much on your shoulders, just the fate of the whole country.

00:16:51.580 I'm joking around a little bit, but I really think that we're in crazy times,

00:16:55.920 and one of the things that keeps me sane is having alternative sources of information

00:17:01.480 besides the CBC and the bailout media.

00:17:04.540 And I love what you guys are doing, you and Andrew Lawton and Anthony Fury

00:17:08.800 and the other folks on your team.

00:17:10.720 So it's just nice to talk to a friend and a colleague, I'll call you.

00:17:14.260 Tell me a little bit about what you guys are doing these days.

00:17:17.320 Sure, Ezra.

00:17:17.880 Well, I'll start by just saying I'm a little bit more optimistic

00:17:20.440 than you are about Canada.

00:17:21.940 I think that we have strong traditions,

00:17:23.940 and I think that the Canadian people have perseverance

00:17:27.140 and a love of our ordered liberty, our traditions, and freedom in Canada,

00:17:32.920 and we're not just going to let that fall by the wayside.

00:17:35.820 So I think that there are a lot of citizens out there that are like-minded people,

00:17:39.520 patriotic people, that sort of see what's going on,

00:17:42.520 watching the news and kind of just shaking their head at it.

00:17:45.580 They might not necessarily have the courage to speak out against it,

00:17:48.900 but I know in my heart it is true that Canadians are not going to bow down to the mob

00:17:55.220 and that they know that this is a good country and it's worth defending.

00:17:58.120 So I think that there's a lot of like-minded people out there,

00:18:01.120 and I think one of the things that True North has sort of tapped into,

00:18:04.160 very similarly to the rebel, is that we have a sort of silent majority.

00:18:09.720 We call it True North Nation.

00:18:11.100 I know you have a huge audience over there at the rebel,

00:18:14.380 and you've built something really incredible, but I think that there are more and more Canadians

00:18:18.320 who have had enough of the institutions, the media sort of lecturing them,

00:18:24.200 telling them that their country is racist and that there are all these problems

00:18:27.240 and that we constantly have to apologize and bend the knee.

00:18:30.940 I think that there's a growing momentum.

00:18:33.740 And the great thing about the internet and new media and the platforms that we have,

00:18:38.600 the distribution that we can reach Canadians directly through social media,

00:18:42.120 is that we don't have to go through the old, tired, Laurentian elite-controlled institutions

00:18:48.240 like the CBC and the Globe and Mail anymore.

00:18:50.920 We can reach Canadians directly with our message.

00:18:53.520 We can encourage them and motivate them to speak out, to share the stories,

00:18:58.380 to seek the truth, and really to tell our own stories,

00:19:01.540 not wait for the sort of, again, Laurentian elites that sit in Toronto and Montreal

00:19:07.560 to look down their noses and tell us what we believe and who we are as Canadians,

00:19:12.520 but instead to tell our own stories.

00:19:14.140 So that's sort of the driving idea behind True North.

00:19:17.340 We've been really successful.

00:19:18.620 We're really excited and proud of what we've built so far.

00:19:21.080 And I think that we have a lot of potential just because you mentioned that the U.S.

00:19:25.500 has this really rich ecosystem of conservative media and journalism.

00:19:29.740 I think that Canada is just as conservative of a country as the United States.

00:19:34.960 We just don't have that big, big media like Fox News that's out there defending our ideas and our values.

00:19:41.360 So it takes little independent outlets like us and you and there are several others.

00:19:46.500 And together we can push back and really fight to take back our country,

00:19:50.940 to push the narrative that Canada is a great country.

00:19:53.000 We're strong, proud, and free.

00:19:54.200 And, you know, I'm really excited to do this interview today as well just because it's Canada Day tomorrow

00:19:59.480 and Dominion Day, and I think it's a great time to celebrate Canada and to emphasize our strengths

00:20:04.260 rather than sort of wallow over our weaknesses.

00:20:07.780 Well, Candice, I've got to tell you, you've made me feel better already.

00:20:11.400 You know, every day I do a live stream at 12 noon, and we end with a puppy video that our producer, Justin, chooses

00:20:19.780 because I say it makes me between 8% and 22% happier to see a little puppy video at the end of the live stream

00:20:26.500 because we talk about heavy things.

00:20:28.200 I'm just joking around.

00:20:29.420 But you're right.

00:20:30.140 We shouldn't always be mopey and gloomy because, listen, Canada's tough.

00:20:34.520 We've been through tough things before, the Great Depression, two world wars.

00:20:39.060 It was hardy stock that built this country, that broke the soil in the prairies, the Courier du Bois. 0.82

00:20:48.020 I mean, this is a strong place.

00:20:50.120 Maybe we just have to remember that again, and you've made me feel better just saying that, what you've said.

00:20:55.500 Can you tell us, I mean, we're talking on our paywalled show, so this is what we call Rebel News+.

00:21:02.880 We put an excerpt of this outside on YouTube, but this is for our paying customers,

00:21:08.420 so I like to speak heart-to-heart.

00:21:10.940 These are our strongest supporters, and I believe that if you're paying $8 a month to Rebel News,

00:21:17.060 and I thank you very much, that helps keep our lights on.

00:21:20.300 I would invite you to consider supporting other like-minded folks in Canada.

00:21:26.740 Candace Malcolm is here today for True North.

00:21:28.980 I'm going to reach out to Spencer Fernando, who we've had on recently.

00:21:32.400 He's based in Winnipeg.

00:21:33.640 There's other groups.

00:21:34.420 There's the Western Standard Online in Alberta, obviously.

00:21:37.760 There's the National Telegraph.

00:21:39.620 I haven't even spoken to them before.

00:21:41.100 There's about five or six independent-minded groups, and obviously we rely on your donations to us, so thank you.

00:21:49.160 But I think just out of a spirit of hope and collegiality, we need more friends.

00:21:56.520 So if you haven't yet joined up with True North, please consider doing it.

00:22:03.120 Candace, tell... 1.00

00:22:04.300 And we've had you on a dozen times, and we've had, you know, other friends.

00:22:08.800 You know, Andrew Lawton's on all the time.

00:22:10.880 He's an old buddy of mine.

00:22:12.340 Tell us a little bit about what you're up to, and I'm not looking for you to give away any secret plans just yet.

00:22:18.480 But if you can...

00:22:19.680 I'm inviting our viewers to become your viewers.

00:22:22.740 Many of them are.

00:22:23.620 But what else you got cooking?

00:22:26.060 Sure.

00:22:26.460 Well, Ezra, first, I appreciate you, you know, extending the invitation to me to be on your show

00:22:31.440 and to talk a little bit more about True North and what we're doing.

00:22:34.480 I think very similarly to The Rebel...

00:22:36.840 Well, first of all, True North started out as more of a think tank,

00:22:40.240 the idea that there was, again, sort of a silent majority of Canadians whose views weren't being reflected,

00:22:45.900 specifically when it came to concerns about immigration and national security.

00:22:49.780 My background before I became a journalist was working for the federal government on immigration issues in the department there.

00:22:56.840 And I really just observed that, you know, there was a huge difference between what the policy was,

00:23:01.920 who the activists were and what they were pushing,

00:23:04.000 and what the views were of everyday Canadians and what was best for the country.

00:23:08.880 So True North started off in that vein to sort of advocate and do policy research on immigration.

00:23:14.280 And we kind of pivoted just because there was such a big demand out there for research,

00:23:20.600 investigative reports and independent journalism on those issues.

00:23:24.300 And then we've sort of expanded since then.

00:23:26.580 We've grown our team to include other conservative voices, like you mentioned.

00:23:31.260 Andrew Lawton, who is a longtime radio host down there in London, Ontario.

00:23:35.820 And he's very passionate about gun rights and firearms.

00:23:40.420 He's also a pro-life activist.

00:23:42.420 And then also Anthony Fury, who is based here in Toronto,

00:23:46.120 and he writes for the Toronto Sun with me, where I also write.

00:23:49.840 And so we're sort of just trying to push more conservative opinion,

00:23:55.000 editorial positions that are conservative,

00:23:57.020 and also doing research and reporting on the news, telling the other side of the story.

00:24:01.520 So we publish a handful, dozens of independent news reports every day, written news reports.

00:24:09.320 Then we also have a slew of podcasts that we do.

00:24:11.740 I host a speaker series, so I have a really interesting guest.

00:24:15.400 And we get in-depth.

00:24:16.880 We do a long interview, long-form interview.

00:24:18.960 Ezra, I know I'm going to have you on the show.

00:24:20.820 I've already extended the invitation.

00:24:22.200 We've got to line that up to have you on as a guest in the speaker series,

00:24:25.600 because it's my favorite thing that we're doing at True North right now.

00:24:28.260 And I'm really excited about it.

00:24:29.700 We go in-depth in an issue and kind of get beyond just the day-to-day news cycle stuff

00:24:35.060 and talk about the really deep and important issues in Canada.

00:24:38.540 And I think that, you know, I started off by being super optimistic about Canada,

00:24:43.420 but obviously there are issues and problems with the mainstream media.

00:24:46.480 Even the National Post.

00:24:47.960 Ezra, I know you used to be an editorial board member over there,

00:24:50.860 but they were supposed to be the conservative voice of Canada.

00:24:54.700 And you watch how they've covered these anti-racism protests.

00:24:58.400 I don't even like calling them anti-racism protests,

00:25:00.120 because, you know, a lot of them have just devolved into sort of mob violence

00:25:05.080 and sort of anarchy.

00:25:06.800 They're anarchist protests.

00:25:08.820 And you've seen the National Post defend that.

00:25:11.400 The National Post go out and make the case for defunding the police

00:25:14.620 and all these kind of things.

00:25:15.540 You know, there isn't really a conservative voice in the mainstream media,

00:25:19.880 aside from Toronto Sun, where I work and where I write.

00:25:22.720 And I love that paper, but it's a small paper and it's owned by the big chain post media.

00:25:27.740 They don't have the same kind of independence.

00:25:29.520 So, you know, the purpose behind True North, again,

00:25:31.600 is just to remind Canadians that there are conservative views out there.

00:25:35.840 There's nothing wrong with being conservative.

00:25:37.500 There are legitimate views.

00:25:38.740 And even if the mainstream media is trying to delegitimize those and say

00:25:42.160 it's somehow wrong and not OK to be conservative,

00:25:44.740 you know, you see conservative writers and journalists getting canceled

00:25:48.280 by the cancel culture mob all the time,

00:25:50.240 whether it's Rex Murphy or more recently Paul Bunner,

00:25:53.480 who's Jason Kenney's speechwriter over out in Alberta.

00:25:57.000 And he's getting, you know, criticized and mobbed online for an article,

00:26:02.420 an essay that he wrote in 2013, Ezra,

00:26:04.640 where he didn't say anything outside the norm of what conservatives generally think

00:26:09.320 when it comes to talking about truth and reconciliation with First Nations people.

00:26:14.160 And there's a mob, you know, attempt to have him fired from his job

00:26:19.220 just for expressing a conservative opinion seven years ago.

00:26:23.120 Well, you can't really trust the mainstream media,

00:26:25.360 certainly can't trust the National Post anymore to combat those ideas

00:26:29.040 and to defend conservatism and say that these are OK and this is what we believe in.

00:26:33.820 It's not a reliably conservative voice anymore,

00:26:36.040 which is why it's so important that outlets like True North and The Rebel

00:26:40.060 continue to have the airway and the ability to push back against that mob.

00:26:46.920 And so much like The Rebel, we're funded entirely by Canadians who support us,

00:26:51.880 people who donate, you know, small dollar amounts to join our supporter clubs

00:26:56.840 and to promote our different journalists and products.

00:27:01.420 So, you know, if you're interested, go check it out.

00:27:03.640 TNC.news is our website.

00:27:05.920 And like I said, we've got daily news reports, podcasts.

00:27:09.160 We do different shows and we have the speaker series.

00:27:11.500 So there's a lot of interesting stuff going on there

00:27:13.660 and we've got lots of content every day.

00:27:15.580 That's great.

00:27:16.400 I bet a lot of our people already are supporters,

00:27:18.960 but for those who haven't made the leap, I'd encourage them.

00:27:22.260 You know, you're talking about cancel culture.

00:27:24.120 It's out there, but I think the CBC really is at the forefront of the mob.

00:27:29.580 In recent days, I've seen them actually go after two different indigenous leaders

00:27:35.780 who made the sin of being conservative.

00:27:39.960 I interviewed one of them yesterday, Leighton Gray, the lawyer from Cold Lake, Alberta.

00:27:44.200 Outstanding lawyer, Queen's Counsel, status Indian,

00:27:47.660 but he dared to say all lives matter,

00:27:50.960 which is an interesting thing for an Aboriginal man to say.

00:27:54.120 He was nuked by the CBC.

00:27:56.460 I think they hate him extra much. 0.98

00:27:59.400 The same way in the U.S., black Republicans get extra hatred 0.97

00:28:05.240 because they're regarded as race traitors by the Democrat leftist media. 0.96

00:28:10.580 I think the CBC is on this crazy warpath right now. 0.75

00:28:13.940 They're the actual, the worst cancel culture folks.

00:28:17.020 Hey, can I ask you about one more thing?

00:28:18.140 I remember when we interviewed you a couple weeks ago,

00:28:20.940 we were talking about an opinion poll that you commissioned on pausing immigration,

00:28:27.200 including pausing temporary foreign workers, which, I mean, in the middle of a pandemic,

00:28:32.860 where the effective unemployment rate is 20%,

00:28:35.300 I don't understand why anyone would believe in bringing in cheap foreign workers. 1.00

00:28:40.120 I mean, it might save a few pennies for a big corporate farm or something,

00:28:44.740 but it makes no sense from the Canadian point of view.

00:28:47.940 Do you guys plan to do more polls like that?

00:28:50.320 Because I found that extremely useful because I think the Liberal government,

00:28:55.780 every government polls like crazy on everything,

00:28:58.640 but they keep the most sensitive polls private

00:29:01.500 because they don't want the public to see that everyone else also thinks we should pause immigration.

00:29:06.440 They don't want the public to see the answer to politically incorrect questions.

00:29:10.360 So I think it was very, very valuable that you guys sponsored a poll

00:29:13.680 asking a question that the mainstream media would not publish.

00:29:18.360 Well, thank you for that, Ezra.

00:29:19.860 And yes, so, you know, part of True North, part of what we do is we are a think tank,

00:29:24.960 a non-profit, non-partisan research organization, and a registered charity.

00:29:30.380 And so we have the media sort of wing.

00:29:32.180 We also have a research wing that we do, you know, public policy research,

00:29:36.440 a bit of polling, and other sort of educational-oriented material

00:29:41.400 to try to, you know, engage with Canadians and enlighten them

00:29:46.000 or educate them more on public policy issues like immigration.

00:29:49.740 And so I thought that that immigration poll, the results actually surprised me a little bit.

00:29:54.420 I mean, it is pretty common sense, especially during a pandemic.

00:29:57.580 This is a perfect opportunity to sort of, you know, keep ourselves closed,

00:30:02.540 you know, slow down on the immigration pace, maybe take a pause, 0.99

00:30:05.860 and let the people who are here sort of settle before we open up to another wave

00:30:10.260 and obviously protect ourselves as well from the threat of coronavirus

00:30:14.040 and people bringing it in.

00:30:16.240 But I've never seen, you know, such overwhelming support for a pause.

00:30:20.820 And it's interesting, too, Ezra, because a lot of Canadians believe that the borders are closed

00:30:25.460 because that's sort of the message that we hear from the government and the media.

00:30:28.780 When you look at the actual statistics, the CBSA releases every single week the most up-to-date numbers.

00:30:34.740 There's still been over a million people that have come into Canada since the border officially closed.

00:30:40.300 Less than half of those are citizens.

00:30:41.880 So, you know, we still are getting hundreds of thousands of people coming in

00:30:46.080 that are either, you know, temporary foreign workers, students, foreign students here on visas, or new immigrants.

00:30:53.380 And so I think that there's a bit of a disconnect between what the government is doing

00:30:57.520 and what Canadians realize.

00:31:00.200 Or, again, you know, it comes to problems with the reporting of the mainstream media.

00:31:03.940 And you're right about polling, too, is that the government does a lot of internal polling on immigration,

00:31:09.160 and they don't always release that.

00:31:10.440 You kind of have to dig and find it, and, you know, they're going to hide it

00:31:13.500 because Canadians overwhelmingly don't want the kinds of immigration numbers that we have,

00:31:18.740 that we've seen in recent years.

00:31:19.960 And the government would prefer to just ignore that information.

00:31:22.860 So, yeah, you know, to answer your question, yes, I think True North will continue to do these kind of polls

00:31:28.300 to, you know, again, just make it known to Canadians that they're not alone.

00:31:34.080 The overwhelming majority of Canadians want fewer immigrants coming to Canada every year.

00:31:37.940 Well, you know, we used to do more polls way back in the day.

00:31:41.620 If you ever want to go halfers on a poll, because I know polls can cost thousands of dollars, 0.98

00:31:45.900 I bet our viewers would love to crowdfund that with you.

00:31:48.640 I'm not looking to hone in on your turf or anything.

00:31:51.920 But, boy, I sure enjoyed our conversation about that last one.

00:31:55.040 It was very, very useful.

00:31:56.160 And, you know, the thing about a statistically valid, independently administered poll is it's not an opinion.

00:32:04.920 It's a factual sample, you know, within certain statistical variances.

00:32:09.560 So it carries a weight and authoritativeness to it that I think really people, I mean, polls can't have their flaws,

00:32:17.180 and it's about how the question is written.

00:32:19.060 But I think they're very useful.

00:32:20.280 I agree, and I think that would be great.

00:32:23.540 It would be fun to go in together, because you're right.

00:32:25.540 They are costly, because, you know, you have to conduct it scientifically, like you said,

00:32:29.880 and it takes time and resources.

00:32:31.980 So they usually do cost a couple hundred or a couple thousand dollars,

00:32:34.760 depending on how many questions you ask and the sample size and stuff like that.

00:32:37.760 But I would love to do a True North Rebel survey.

00:32:40.880 I think it would be fun.

00:32:41.640 Boy, that would make all the right people very, very mad,

00:32:43.960 and all the right people very, very happy.

00:32:46.020 Well, listen, Candice, it's great to catch up with you.

00:32:48.980 TNC.news is the website.

00:32:50.820 I mean, look, I'm pretending like this is the first introduction of you to our people.

00:32:54.640 You've been on a Rebel cruise. 0.58

00:32:57.060 You're on all the time.

00:32:58.220 We read you in the Toronto Sun.

00:32:59.580 And I've said to you privately and publicly,

00:33:02.020 stay with the Sun as long as you possibly can,

00:33:04.840 because it's so important that those mainstream readers have your point of view.

00:33:10.220 I think, I regret, and I don't say this in any negative way,

00:33:13.280 I think the day will come one day when they regard you as too politically incorrect

00:33:19.120 and they say goodbye, and I don't wish that.

00:33:21.560 I hope that never happens.

00:33:22.860 But if I'm being realistic, I think one day they will say goodbye to you,

00:33:28.380 and God forbid, and Anthony Fury and Joe Warmington and Sue Ann Levy,

00:33:32.920 the true conservatives, say, I'm sorry to say this.

00:33:35.240 Maybe I'm speaking out of turn.

00:33:38.880 But I think that that's the trend right now.

00:33:41.640 And so I'm so glad you're building a new entity that you can step right onto

00:33:47.380 and keep going full tilt.

00:33:50.120 I hope you don't mind me saying that.

00:33:51.580 I hope you stay there as long as possible, but I'm always afraid.

00:33:55.260 Well, I'll just say that I think that the direction of media is changing.

00:33:59.100 So it might be the case, Ezra, that someday down the road,

00:34:02.020 they don't want to hear from conservatives at all.

00:34:04.300 But I also think that someday, you know, maybe around the same time that happens,

00:34:08.160 or maybe later, maybe earlier, newspapers won't really be a profitable endeavor anymore,

00:34:13.580 and they will have to change.

00:34:15.140 And so if the direction they want to go is to, you know, clear house of interesting writers

00:34:20.080 and people who propose different views, then I think that's part of what's, you know,

00:34:25.580 leading to the demise of the industry, the traditional media industry.

00:34:29.640 Hopefully, you know, I think that a little scrappy paper like the Toronto Sun that has

00:34:35.460 the sort of hatred of all the other mainstream media outlets, you know,

00:34:39.280 they're willing to stand their ground and defend writers like me, you know,

00:34:42.740 even if I'm saying something that's not what the fancy people in Toronto believe

00:34:48.240 or what they want to hear.

00:34:49.920 So I've been incredibly grateful to the Toronto Sun for, you know, defending me

00:34:54.220 and giving me a platform and allowing me to reach so many Canadians.

00:34:57.600 But I do think that the media landscape is changing, and eventually,

00:35:01.640 I don't know if it's 5, 10, 15 years down the road,

00:35:04.240 I can't imagine that the landscape being so dominated by these big players

00:35:09.180 that are dominated by these political elites in Toronto and Montreal.

00:35:12.980 I think it'll change, become much more diverse, much more interesting,

00:35:16.760 and that there'll be more voices and not fewer.

00:35:19.360 Wow. Again, you're optimistic. I sure hope that comes true.

00:35:22.300 I note in passing that Conrad Black mentioned in his column the other day

00:35:25.560 that he used to be a regular guest on the radio, but he has been blackballed

00:35:30.580 because he hasn't taken the right point of view

00:35:32.980 because he says Canada is not systemically racist.

00:35:37.520 And the most shocking thing about Conrad Black's comment

00:35:39.580 is that he says Charles Adler, who himself used to be a conservative commentator

00:35:44.880 and has now gone full Trudeau liberal,

00:35:47.720 that Adler was one of the guys behind the ban.

00:35:50.960 And I find that so very depressing.

00:35:53.820 But let's not end on a depressing note.

00:35:55.700 Let's end on a happy note.

00:35:57.620 Candice, let me wish you a happy Dominion Day,

00:36:00.240 and I wish you and True North all the success in the world.

00:36:04.420 I know our viewers feel the same way,

00:36:06.560 and may all our viewers become your viewers,

00:36:09.100 and may we strengthen each other,

00:36:10.440 and may the next year be the most successful yet.

00:36:13.560 So good luck, and you've given me a spring in my step, Candice.

00:36:16.620 I want to be positive, and you've given me some grounds to do so.

00:36:21.040 So thanks to you, my friend.

00:36:22.760 Well, thank you, Ezra.

00:36:24.000 Happy Dominion Day to you and to your family and to your audience.

00:36:27.360 I think, again, it's a really important day to ignore the hatred,

00:36:30.840 ignore the trigger warnings placed on the Canadian flag

00:36:33.880 and the people trying to tear down statues of Sir John A. Macdonald.

00:36:37.560 Today's a day where we should really celebrate our country,

00:36:40.240 be proud, be patriotic,

00:36:41.520 and, you know, we can sort out our problems,

00:36:44.540 we can sort out our issues on another day,

00:36:47.520 but on Canada Day or Dominion Day, as I like to call it,

00:36:50.140 we should be positive and celebrate.

00:36:52.240 So thank you so much for having me, and have a great holiday.

00:36:55.000 Right on. You too. Thank you, my friend.

00:36:56.560 Well, there you have it.

00:36:57.480 Candice Malcolm, the founder of TNC.news.

00:37:00.740 Stay with us. More ahead.

00:37:11.520 Well, look, it's Canada Day, Dominion Day.

00:37:17.100 As the anti-Canadians say, it's July 1st.

00:37:21.420 And as the Halifax Chronicle Herald says,

00:37:24.160 well, they won't even tell you what day it is

00:37:26.340 until they give you a trigger warning.

00:37:27.840 That irks me so much.

00:37:31.300 Listen, Candice Malcolm is right.

00:37:32.800 There are a lot of great reasons to be proud and hopeful for Canada.

00:37:36.920 I mean, really, can you name another place in the world

00:37:39.780 you would rather be?

00:37:41.440 But I think we have to work hard to preserve what we have

00:37:45.540 and take back what we've lost.

00:37:48.200 I'm afraid of the acceleration of the bad trends.

00:37:52.680 The pandemic has given Justin Trudeau an excuse to do things

00:37:55.600 he could never have gotten away with before,

00:37:57.820 from censoring journalists to taking powers away from parliament

00:38:01.380 to spending like a madman to censorship.

00:38:03.700 I mentioned censorship already.

00:38:05.720 I'm worried about that.

00:38:06.760 And I also see who's not fighting.

00:38:09.960 Where are the conservative politicians of the country?

00:38:13.400 I feel like it's a lonely fight.

00:38:15.320 But you know what?

00:38:16.160 In the last few months, as we've taken up this fight

00:38:18.240 in a number of ways,

00:38:19.420 we've relied on the strength of you, our viewers,

00:38:21.820 and ordinary Canadians.

00:38:23.040 And that gives me some hope, too.

00:38:24.980 So, happy Dominion Day 0.99

00:38:26.240 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters

00:38:30.300 to you at home.

00:38:31.640 Good night.

00:38:33.360 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:38:36.760 Good night.

00:38:40.780 Good night.

00:38:45.800 Good night.

00:38:54.360 Good night.

00:38:56.040 Good night.

00:38:56.260 Good night.

00:38:56.480 Good night.

00:38:56.840 Good night.

00:38:57.420 Good night.

00:38:57.680 Good night.

00:38:57.840 measurable listening to you.

00:38:58.140 Good night.

00:38:58.920 Good night.

00:38:59.580 Good night.

00:38:59.780 Good blessings.

00:39:00.100 Good night.

00:39:00.560 Good night.

00:39:01.780 Good night.

00:39:02.580 Good night.

00:39:02.760 Good day.

00:39:02.980 Good night.

00:39:03.920 Good night.

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Rebel News Podcast - July 02, 2020

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