Rebel News Podcast - 'Cancelled' for Saying Jesus Loves You ｜ Matt Brevner on Andrew Says 25

00:00:00.000 Matt Brevner is a hip-hop artist and producer from Vancouver, British Columbia. He now works

00:00:12.960 for Rebel News as an editor and videographer. Matt Brevner, thanks for joining me. How are

00:00:17.100 you doing today? Thanks for having me. I'm a little tired adjusting to the East Coast time

00:00:21.480 difference. I'm running hot on coffee, but yeah, it's awesome to be here. The first thing I wanted

00:00:27.500 to mention was how I first found out about you, which is actually obviously from the music scene.

00:00:33.560 I think it was around 2016 or 2017, me and my friends were watching music videos and there

00:00:38.900 was a beef you had with another Vancouver rapper named Madchild from Swollen Members. I don't know

00:00:43.020 if I'm dating myself here at all, you guys, but that was sort of the start of when things started

00:00:48.360 to get, I guess, kind of controversial for you, would you say? Yeah, at least publicly. I've

00:00:53.980 always been the type to, I guess, question authority and stand up for the little guy and

00:00:59.020 have a strong sense of justice internally. So yeah, that was kind of the first thing that really,

00:01:04.540 I guess, I've always been a musician's musician and had a reputation for that, but that kind of

00:01:10.360 propelled me more into the front of the Canadian hip-hop scene and Vancouver specifically, West Coast.

00:01:16.740 Now, not to say that he had a, him and Swollen Members had a cookie cutter public image at the

00:01:23.220 time or anything, but that sort of like exposed people to a different, more like, I guess you

00:01:28.300 could say crooked side. Like people always thought of him, I think, and this isn't even disrespect to

00:01:32.940 him as somebody who raps about drugs and openly talks about doing them. But as far as cheating

00:01:38.520 people out of money, as you say, that was something that everybody started to say, hey, wait a minute,

00:01:42.700 not only is this guy sort of exposing him, he's a good rapper as well. Do you want to give

00:01:47.280 about some thoughts about how that actually affected your life about not being paid and everything?

00:01:51.640 And does he refute that?

00:01:54.320 It's interesting. You know, I think the reason why it received the backlash that it did was

00:02:01.720 that album, the Dope Sick album, the theme, like thematically, it was about redemption and turning

00:02:08.060 a new leaf and doing the right thing. And even the song that we did together, it was a song called

00:02:11.620 Jitters. And it's about salvation. Like it was about, it's about God. It's about God saving your life

00:02:16.900 and like plucking you out of the darkness. And even the video, it was based around like rum runners 0.73

00:02:21.060 from the 30s and Dutch Robinson from the Ohio players was like the in the pulpit. So I think

00:02:26.480 that was the messaging across the whole press run and the tour. And, you know, so when this kind of

00:02:33.600 came out that he wasn't like, for example, like when you're an opening act on a tour, you usually get

00:02:41.380 like in the green room, you show up to the venue early, there's usually like water and food and a

00:02:45.800 vegetable plate or whatever, because you've been driving four to eight hours to get to a venue.

00:02:49.500 So you're parched, you know, but it was like little things like he would even like call

00:02:53.880 the promoters ahead of time to make sure that he would just get the extra hundred bucks instead

00:02:58.920 of making sure that all the staff had like the vegetables and stuff. Like I don't really

00:03:02.900 want to like, you know, maybe he's a changed person. Maybe he's reformed. I'm over it.

00:03:09.180 But the impact on my career at the time was, it was kind of heavy, you know, because it was

00:03:13.320 someone that I grew up looking up to. And I felt like we were doing like a really amazing

00:03:17.680 thing. We were nominated for a Much Music Award that year. It was my friends and my production

00:03:23.720 company that did all the video work. We put up the money for the video. And it just felt

00:03:28.720 like really, I felt really disrespected. Even at the time, Swollen was on, they're doing

00:03:32.940 a reunion tour, they're on tour in Europe. And I still wanted to go to the Much Music Awards

00:03:38.140 because that's like a massive achievement, especially for someone from the West Coast, because we're

00:03:41.700 kind of historically like not like forgotten about when it comes to like the national conversation

00:03:46.860 around hip hop music. So yeah, I thought I tried to, I reached out to SubNoise and try to get

00:03:53.160 tickets for me and the videographer, the producer, the team to go. And they wouldn't, they wouldn't

00:03:59.760 give us tickets or like, oh, well, Mad's not going. So you guys can't go. But then I actually

00:04:03.900 got a phone call from a friend of mine who worked at Chum from high school. And she's like,

00:04:07.980 hey, I have your tickets. What address should I send this to? Like, I didn't even ask her. And I

00:04:11.080 told her like, oh, I thought we weren't invited. She's like, dude, you're nominated. What are you

00:04:14.280 talking about? You know, so it was just like little things. I think it was like a lot of ego and a lot

00:04:18.200 of, you know, I mean, I haven't spoke to him in, in over. It's been a long time. It's been a really

00:04:25.080 long time. We've spoke, I sent him a, we exchanged niceties on Instagram in the last six months,

00:04:30.360 just about, I think, Dope Sick hit a milestone. It went gold. So I reached out. I was like,

00:04:34.900 hey, congratulations. Like, you know, through it all, like, I'm glad that I did it. But yeah,

00:04:39.160 at the time it was really difficult because it put me in a, in a bit of a financial hole.

00:04:43.200 And not only that, I was associated as the guy who worked with Madchild now. And so I was like,

00:04:48.100 well, what do I do with that? So I really had, I felt like after, I felt like I got something,

00:04:54.260 like I felt violated. I felt like I got ripped off. I got robbed. And when he started

00:04:59.580 living off snack, who was a good friend of mine, and we were roommates actually at the time,

00:05:05.320 it was kind of like, okay, well, retribution time, like, you know, you're not going to pay me back

00:05:09.740 monetarily, but I'm going to now take the opportunity because you stepped out to like

00:05:14.800 set the record straight and control the narrative. So.

00:05:17.520 You're talking about snack. The Ripper is another rapper.

00:05:20.720 Yeah.

00:05:20.960 So you mentioned your personality is always standing up for yourself and speaking out. Does

00:05:27.020 that, do you think that's lended you to become into this news career, this news media career with

00:05:31.880 Rebel News and, and being a cameraman and now being on camera, you're working out there with

00:05:35.540 Dre Humphrey, the fans and the staff here love the work you guys do. Has that type of personality,

00:05:41.100 do you feel like it's a natural progression into what you're doing now?

00:05:44.420 It's definitely, God's had his hand on my life throughout all of this. And it's the perfect

00:05:49.980 job that I never knew that I wanted, you know, um, because it allows me to, uh, exercise all

00:05:57.000 of my muscles. Like I'm, I'm a very, I'm an artist by, you know, by trade and by nature. So if I'm not

00:06:02.160 exercising that creative muscle on a regular basis, it, it weighs on my self-esteem ultimately and like

00:06:08.360 my mental health. So to have a job that's, you know, in a field where I get to create every day

00:06:12.720 and also partner with like-minded virtuous people who want to tell the truth and, you know, uh, represent

00:06:19.360 and, uh, clear the underdog in a lot of cases is just so rewarding to me. And it's, uh, yeah,

00:06:27.300 it's, it's, it's great. Yeah. I want to talk to you about some of the Vancouver politics and some

00:06:32.340 of the stuff that's going on right now. Uh, the West coast is notoriously more liberal,

00:06:35.820 even though it doesn't seem like there's much difference across the country. Now you mentioned

00:06:39.100 to me off camera about the history of your parents and how that relates to what's going on now.

00:06:44.820 Do you want to share a little bit of that with the audience? Sure. Yeah. I'm, uh, I'm Trinidadian

00:06:48.780 and on my Trinidadian side, there's some, uh, Portuguese, there's some German, there's some

00:06:53.820 Jewish, there's all sorts of, we're a bit of like a mutt of the Caribbean. And on my mom's side,

00:06:58.100 we're Japanese. Um, my grandma was born in Japan in Wakayama and my grandpa was born in Canada

00:07:04.120 in Alberta. And, uh, they were actually met in a concentration camp because not too many people

00:07:10.620 know this, but, you know, during world war II, uh, the Canadian government decreed that Japanese

00:07:15.860 Canadians were a threat to the, you know, to the country. They're considered them spies. So

00:07:20.660 they rounded up all the Japanese Canadians, seized all their land, all their assets, and they put them 1.00

00:07:26.180 into labor camps. And, you know, just the icing on the cake of these labor camps is they were actually

00:07:31.140 charged monetarily for their, their room and board while working in these camps. So, you know,

00:07:39.160 my, my family lost a lot of land that would be otherwise now like prime real estate when we're

00:07:44.920 talking like, you know, tens of millions of dollars worth of land now. And it's not something

00:07:48.540 that I, you know, I walk around like, oh, my, my lot in life is so miserable because my

00:07:54.240 grandparents got ripped off. That's not what I'm saying. You know, I think we're all accountable

00:07:57.800 for our own success and our own attitude and our own weight. However, this is something that's been

00:08:02.940 ingrained in me since I was a child. Like, Hey, the government isn't necessarily as cracked up as they

00:08:08.040 say to be. They don't always have your best interest in mind. Some of that's really crazy

00:08:11.460 about my grandpa too is, uh, you know, he actually wanted to join the military and go overseas and

00:08:17.120 fight. And he had his, he had to be 16, I believe. So he had his dad forge his, uh, his enlistment

00:08:23.500 papers, his signature to fake his age so that he could go. And, you know, before he was actually

00:08:28.200 deployed, they figured out that he wasn't of age. So he went from wanting to fight for the country to

00:08:33.840 being locked up by the country, which is just, that's crazy. And when I talked to him about it,

00:08:37.120 I was like, grandpa, you really wanted to go to, you know, you wanted to go to the South Pacific

00:08:41.080 and fight. And he's like, yeah, all my friends are going. I had nothing else to do, but it was

00:08:44.180 just like a different spirit about that generation. Um, and you know, they weren't gun owners. They

00:08:49.100 didn't keep guns at the house, but he always told me, he's like, Hey, you know, you don't have

00:08:52.420 anything to worry about until they start taking your guns. And he was just like, it was a joke.

00:08:56.000 But I think, uh, it'd be very, he'd be very, they'd both be very concerned as to what's

00:09:01.140 happening today. So maybe I'm a little bit flighty. Maybe I'm a little extra sensitive

00:09:05.120 to, uh, overreach and restrictions. Um, but yeah, that's, that's my personal conviction.

00:09:10.500 I've just, I'm a product of that literally, you know, and that wasn't too long ago. So

00:09:15.140 yeah, it worries me for sure.

00:09:17.340 It seems like you're talking about not having a victim mentality when you're talking about

00:09:20.800 not walking around like you, like this is your law in life. How I mentioned, or I wanted

00:09:25.140 to mention, and we can show a clip now of a part in a video you had with Dre Humphrey at,

00:09:29.400 uh, it's kind of unrelated, but it was a, uh, it was an environmental march. So let's

00:09:34.120 take a look at that clip and then we'll talk about it right after.

00:09:37.240 And I'm going to ask one more question because you had, you had mentioned a couple of times,

00:09:40.100 um, that power has been in, in the hands of white males essentially for too long. So do 0.90

00:09:45.740 you believe that, that corruption is inherently a skin color issue?

00:09:49.560 Well, it's absolutely a function of capitalism, uh, and indoctrination, um, all those subtle

00:09:56.520 things in our society that, uh, privilege, et cetera. Well, I, I know that. I mean, I don't

00:10:03.160 know if you can see, I'm kind of a long-haired guy. Well, well, before I retired, uh, I was,

00:10:07.400 um, uh, you know, had a business suit and did all that and everybody called me, sir. And

00:10:12.200 now I look like somebody who could live under a bridge.

00:10:14.780 No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that. No, but I, I'm looking much more casual because

00:10:19.820 you know, I'm, I'm Japanese and Trinidadian. Drea is black and indigenous. And, and I guess

00:10:25.000 when we come sometimes to events like this, people don't want to talk to us. And it's

00:10:28.440 almost like in all other situations, our, our identities are, you know, our skin color,

00:10:35.120 our heritage matter, except when we're bringing up, you know, talking points, which people don't

00:10:40.180 want to talk about or easy to disregard. Oh, in that you're talking about like

00:10:43.580 intersectionality. And, uh, when people, they want to give you the benefit of the doubt

00:10:48.040 because of the color of your skin until it comes to the past that you don't actually agree

00:10:51.820 with them. Have you experienced a lot of that before you worked with us? Or are you talking

00:10:55.280 about only since you've been doing news coverage?

00:10:57.940 I experienced that every day of my life because it's, it's so like appealing, you know, to walk

00:11:05.940 through life with this notion that something happened before you're born that is so atrocious

00:11:11.400 and so overwhelming that it's like a, literally like a get out of jail card for everything that

00:11:16.980 you should be accountable to. And you know, although that sounds appealing in the short term, it actually

00:11:21.400 like robs you of your inhibition. It robs you of your identity. It robs you of your, uh, your

00:11:26.280 self-esteem and your dignity. And it's just, it's, I think it's, it's evil. You know, I'm

00:11:31.740 a Christian. My identity comes from who, who the Lord says I am, who Jesus Christ says I

00:11:35.840 am in him and the rest of it is secondary. So I don't, you know, and you know, it's, it's

00:11:40.860 in Canada as a black and Japanese Canadian outside of like my heritage or my, my national

00:11:48.280 identity as a Canadian. I never really subscribed. I didn't feel Asian. I didn't feel black. I'm just

00:11:52.860 Canadian. I'm just Canadian dude. So when I, I mean, you're wearing plaid, so yeah, there

00:11:57.000 you go. Right. So I just, it all just seems like a little bit nonsensical to me. And that's,

00:12:02.580 and this is, you know, I don't mean to sound insensitive because I've obviously, I'm literally

00:12:06.660 like a by-product of oppressive regimes and racism and all that. And I'm not saying racism

00:12:12.300 isn't real. And I'm not saying I haven't experienced prejudice or racism in my life. I'm just saying

00:12:17.440 it's not, uh, you know, I was joking with my ex-girlfriend four or five years ago, I was

00:12:22.420 joking about how like, you know, it would be very difficult or terrible to be like a straight 0.99

00:12:29.000 white male in Canada in 2016. And she's like, you're crazy. I'm like, well, but think about 0.99

00:12:33.640 it. Like you're like, you're muzzled. You can't, and this was then, you know, things have definitely 0.85

00:12:38.780 like changed a lot since then. But, and I know this, like I'm, I can say things that maybe some

00:12:42.700 people can't say just based on my skin color and my heritage, which is honestly, that's garbage. 0.97

00:12:47.080 Like that's such a terrible thing that you should be disqualified from free thought based 0.95

00:12:51.320 on, you know, inherent attributes that you have no control over.

00:12:55.020 Is there a reaction that you can describe that you get when you don't agree with this

00:13:00.160 type of theology, let's call it?

00:13:03.160 Well, I try to not, well, this is kind of tongue in cheek, but I try to just like pull

00:13:09.100 questions out of people. So, you know, I will just, I'll ask and allow them to get there.

00:13:14.680 But it's really just about, you know, as a Christian, I'm supposed to be a witness to

00:13:20.660 the Lord. So I'm supposed to love people that everybody, especially people that don't know

00:13:24.900 him. And, you know, I, it's interesting, like, for example, the interview that we did

00:13:29.660 with that Talikum Tom fellow, he prefaced his whole spiel on the idea that because of this

00:13:38.380 ideology that he subscribes to the, you know, the global change, climate change, he's not

00:13:44.680 going to have grandchildren because his son doesn't feel like it's the responsible thing

00:13:49.420 to do to bring children into the world because he feels like the world's going to end in

00:13:53.380 five years, right?

00:13:54.460 Of course.

00:13:54.960 So now because of that hurt and because of that pain, he feels like the only moral and

00:14:00.120 just thing that he can do is protest in the way that he's protesting. So it's really like,

00:14:04.660 you know, I believe, you know, everything that we do as humans is either motivated by fear

00:14:10.680 or love. So it doesn't, asking questions, you can figure out pretty quick where people

00:14:17.260 are acting from. And, you know, so that's, that's all I really try to do. But I think

00:14:21.900 I'm afforded the opportunity to ask certain questions that others can't, because you can't

00:14:28.640 say that I don't love black people or I don't love Asian people or this or that, like, what

00:14:33.940 are you talking about? So I think that's actually a bit of a mission statement for Drea and I,

00:14:40.940 when we're in the field, like often, you know, if we're going to a protest and I will people

00:14:48.680 you are like a protest and counter protest because I dress like maybe a counter protest to like

00:14:55.860 a typical conservative, you know, or a freedom protest or what have you. I'm able to have like,

00:15:02.200 people aren't as guarded around me. So I'm able to have honest conversations. And then when you

00:15:06.280 have, when you have honest conversations with people, you can often, they're not guarded so

00:15:10.940 that you can often like get them to realize what you're saying without having to, to yell them just

00:15:15.700 by asking them, you know, and it's, it's actually like been quite a powerful tool. So I guess I'm

00:15:21.440 grateful in that way, but it's, yeah, you can notice it in the videos, especially with Drea, how

00:15:26.860 she's a lot nicer than I am. She's a lot more patient than I am. And then when people try

00:15:32.180 to, you know, say she's got a certain angle or she wants to represent it some way, you guys don't

00:15:37.160 actually do that at all. Whereas I might go out there and I might start arguing with somebody,

00:15:40.700 you guys are there literally just to see what's going on. Yeah. So I think it throws a lot of

00:15:45.520 curve walls. Now you mentioned being able to say certain things that may not be afforded to other

00:15:50.040 people. That is not what happened to you before, is it? Now, are we able to show the video that you

00:15:55.260 say got you canceled? Sure. Yeah. And we can go ahead and throw to that now.

00:15:58.400 With so many protests happening around the world against intolerance, a homophobic sermon

00:16:03.340 that took place in the heart of Vancouver's gay community last night sparked a strong response.

00:16:08.160 CTV's Panadaflos reports on a scene that enraged a neighborhood. 1.00

00:16:12.620 You guys come down here to spit that shit here? Yeah. With everything that's going on in the 1.00

00:16:17.600 world. At the height of the conflict, tempers were running high. You want to describe to people

00:16:21.140 what happened there? And like, for lack of a better term, it's getting canceled. And just tell us

00:16:26.320 how the backlash was from this and what actually happened.

00:16:29.820 Sure. I guess to give context to that clip, I have to kind of let people know about what

00:16:37.420 happened leading up to that. So if you rewind to, I guess, June of last year, it was the beginning

00:16:45.080 of the pandemic. Everybody was freaking out. Everybody thought that they were going to die.

00:16:50.100 Everybody thought that the world was ending. And something that I really noticed, at least

00:16:56.400 for myself and, you know, other Christians, you know, or people of faith that I know and

00:17:03.240 that I love, there was a sense of calm because like for me, I was like, okay, well, the world

00:17:08.100 shut down. Like I have an opportunity to work on my faith. I have an opportunity to work on

00:17:13.160 my relationships, chase passions. And it was like actually like a real blessing. I felt like

00:17:17.660 my relationship with the Lord got a lot stronger. And I was carrying, you know, this, the peace that

00:17:22.960 that surpasses all understanding. I was carrying that with me. And, you know, people, some family

00:17:29.120 members were like, why aren't you freaking out? And then I was like, wow, I think about there's a

00:17:35.380 parable in, in, I think it's Mark, I believe it's Mark four. And please don't flame me on the

00:17:40.580 internet if I'm misquoting, but I believe it's Mark four. It's a parable about Jesus crossing the

00:17:45.000 water. And, uh, he's got all the disciples with him and Jesus is in the hall and there's

00:17:49.720 a big storm that comes up over the water and the disciples are starting to freak out.

00:17:54.340 They're like, uh, you know, Lord, Lord, come help us because we're going to die on this

00:17:58.940 boat. And so, you know, Jesus says to his disciples, you have, you have no faith, you

00:18:03.180 know, and he rebukes the storm and the, and it's all calm and they make it across and it's

00:18:07.460 all good. But something that always like stood out to me about that passage is it says that

00:18:11.940 there's other boats with them on the water. So there were other boats that were also in

00:18:17.020 the middle of the storm that were freaking out, you know, and then this man comes up

00:18:20.460 from the hall, hall rebukes the storm and then everything's good. So I feel like that's in

00:18:25.800 a lot of ways, it's like a metaphor for what it means to carry the peace and presence of

00:18:29.020 God with you. People should be able to like, you know, they know us by our love for one

00:18:32.860 another. So people should be able to see you and realize like there's something different

00:18:37.940 about you and it's, you know, it's love and peace and joy. They're, they're enticing things

00:18:46.020 for folks. So by, you know, by that, by that metric, I felt responsible. Like I, okay, you

00:18:53.960 know, I've always, not that I was like lukewarm, but you know, I had reserved myself for the thinking

00:18:59.560 that God gave us all free will and I don't know how God's working and I don't know how God's

00:19:04.960 working on certain people. So I just have to let go and let God and go about my day. But I saw for

00:19:09.780 the first time in my life, a very practical and prudent need for the peace of God for people that

00:19:16.400 didn't, didn't know him. So this is something that the Lord was really putting on my heart. I was

00:19:20.680 having opportunities to have conversations with, with friends of, you know, that I've, I've wrestled

00:19:25.340 with this, like my whole life that are staunch atheists that because of fear was bringing them to a

00:19:30.620 place of humility where they're like, wait, maybe there's something more than all I can see with my

00:19:35.460 eyes. So it was just such a rewarding and amazing experience. So it led to, you know, my best friend

00:19:42.000 giving his life to, to, to the Lord and he's like a recovering heroin addict. And it was like, that was

00:19:48.120 such a beautiful moment. So there's a, there's a, so now I'll lead, that's the preface of what was

00:19:53.200 going on last year. I'll lead into what led me to the street that day. Um, there's a street preacher

00:19:57.960 from Toronto, uh, called Dore Love. And he's the one who gets, who'd been arrested frequently.

00:20:03.720 Is that the same guy? Most, most recently he's been arrested in Vancouver. And this incident was

00:20:07.960 before the arrest. Um, but something that I really respect about the culture, not, you know, not just

00:20:15.020 Dore specifically, but the culture about Toronto is, uh, like in front of Eaton's center, it's a bit

00:20:22.040 of, there's, there's like, you know, there's imans, there's rabbis, there's preachers, there's atheists,

00:20:26.680 there's Spider-Man, there's Darth Vader. Yeah. And it's like, uh, it's freedom of speech and

00:20:33.880 conversation is encouraged. So something that I like, I started like watching Dore's videos and

00:20:38.860 something and other evangelists and whatever else. And something that really like stuck out to me was

00:20:43.520 it wasn't necessarily, he was talking with people from all walks of life who like clearly hate his

00:20:48.020 guts. Right. But the thing that like stuck out to me was that it wasn't, it wasn't about his

00:20:53.780 conversation necessarily with the person that he was talking to like this. It was about the 20 people

00:20:59.560 that were watching because you could see minds being changed. You could see like light bulbs going

00:21:04.400 off. And I was like, wow, that's like a really interesting thing. So, you know, I, I watched a

00:21:10.340 few of his videos. I didn't think anything of it. And I shot him a message over email. I was like,

00:21:15.080 Hey man, you know, if you're ever in Vancouver, I want to come watch. And that was it, you know?

00:21:19.420 So fast forward to a few months later, literally the day that my best friend gives his life to the

00:21:23.580 Lord, I get a random email from Dore and he's like, Hey, we're going to be at Maine and Hastings

00:21:27.620 praying for folks and handing out water bottles come through. And I'm just like, Whoa, that's like

00:21:31.880 crazy timing, you know? And I was encouraged by that because, you know, and, and not to criticize

00:21:39.780 or to stumble a brother, but I was very encouraged by the fact that this man isn't from Vancouver.

00:21:46.160 And the first place that he's going to go is to Maine and Hastings. And for those of you on the

00:21:51.180 East coast who don't know, like the downtown East side in Vancouver is notorious for prostitution, 0.99

00:21:57.840 drug overdose. It's like North America's capital for heroin addiction and crack cocaine addiction.

00:22:04.260 And it's just, it's like a C it's, it's maybe you can throw to something just so people can kind

00:22:09.040 of understand the scope of it, but it's, it's world-class. So I was, you know, I felt a personal

00:22:14.380 conviction and I don't mean to project this on anybody else, but I felt as a, like a personal

00:22:18.440 conviction that has, you know, lovers of God and children of God, we could be doing more to help

00:22:23.400 people that don't know him. So I was like, yeah, dope. The first thing you're going to do is go to

00:22:27.700 the downtown East side and pray for people and hand out food and water. I was like, that's amazing.

00:22:32.360 Like I want to go. So I went and there wasn't much preaching and, you know, it was like, it was like

00:22:37.660 really productive. You know, there's a couple of people that were like angry because whenever you talk

00:22:41.720 about anything, that's whenever you sit, nothing makes people upset. Like, you know, Jesus loves

00:22:46.480 you other than, other than maybe like, I love Trump or something. That's like a second, but

00:22:52.140 nothing upsets people like beyond the point of reason, like God loves you, you know? But at the

00:22:58.800 same time, it's like an interesting juxtaposition because in that community, they're so used to being

00:23:02.640 marginalized that just having, like just going up to someone looking in the eye and say, Hey, I see you.

00:23:08.100 What's up? How are you doing? Is like such a, it's like a life-giving moment because people,

00:23:12.920 these people are looked over, they're forgotten, you know? So that was like a really amazing

00:23:18.260 experience. And at the end of the night, I noticed this one guy who was around my age,

00:23:24.280 leather jacket, blue hair, had a really massive backpack on. And I noticed, like I was talking

00:23:31.360 to one of Doré's preacher guys and we're having a conversation. And I noticed like, he was like,

00:23:35.940 he kept like very attentively looking at us and listening to us. But then whenever I made eye

00:23:39.740 contact with him, he would look like, Oh, kind of like, you know, like very like afraid, kind of

00:23:44.920 like keep himself. So like, I went up to him and I was just like, Hey dude, like, what's up? How you

00:23:49.540 doing? And he was like, honestly, man, like, I'm not doing good. You know, I came out here from

00:23:54.840 Toronto. I'm addicted to crystal meth. I came out with my girlfriend. She lives on the Island.

00:24:00.620 And then she left me. I'm out here by my own, on my own. And I was walking, I have a hundred

00:24:06.380 pound backpack on and it's killing me. And I walked two blocks past Maine and Hastings,

00:24:11.660 but something told me to just turn around. So I turned around and I've been sitting here all day

00:24:15.700 and I'm listening to you guys talk about Jesus. And I've never heard anybody talk about Jesus in

00:24:20.420 that way before. And I'm just, I'm just compelled. And I'm like, that's really cool. I'm like, you know,

00:24:26.080 and I'm like, okay, well in my mind, I'm like, well, you know, my best friend just gave his life

00:24:31.420 to God. I'm out here in the street right now. Like the Holy Spirit's on a roll right now. So

00:24:35.660 like, can I pray for you? And he's like, you know what? I would like really love that. So

00:24:38.860 you know, we laid hands on him. I prayed for him and his countenance just was like a complete 180,

00:24:45.100 man. Like he was just started crying, like tears of joy. He's like, you guys are the first people

00:24:49.420 seeing me, seeing me smile in like a year. And he's like, this is so crazy. But when I was at

00:24:54.500 the BC, like the ferries terminal, someone came, I had no money. Someone came up to a stranger came

00:24:59.820 up to me. I wasn't even panhandling. A stranger came up to me and gave me 50 bucks. And he was like,

00:25:03.780 ah, but I almost didn't want it because I didn't want to use again. But you know, I'm still holding

00:25:09.640 onto it. And he's like, and another crazy thing just happened. I got a message on my, on Facebook

00:25:15.400 from a friend from high school I haven't talked to in three years. She heard I'm in the downtown East

00:25:19.040 side. And she said, she's renting a car right now to come pick me up. I'm like, man, that's the Lord.

00:25:23.580 That's how God works for sure. Like all of these things are far too serendipitous to just be like

00:25:27.120 it's coincidence. So I'm like, okay, it was the end of the night and everyone's packing up. And I'm

00:25:32.040 like, well, I can't leave this. He's told me his ride's coming. I believe him. I'm taking him at his

00:25:36.860 word. And you know, that I can't leave him on the street. So I'm like, where can we go? It was like

00:25:41.900 three in the morning. I'm like, okay, there's a Tim Hortons. It's like two blocks away. They have wifi so

00:25:45.900 that, you know, he can be in touch with his friend. He can, he can be hooked up to power. You know, it's good.

00:25:51.520 So we go, we walk over there and of course they're closed because of COVID. So I'm like,

00:25:56.760 what do we do? What did I do with this guy? So I was like, ah, what would Jesus do? You know,

00:26:01.520 that's like what I try to think. And what Jesus did is he liked to have conversations with people

00:26:05.640 at the kitchen table. He liked to break bread with folks. Right. So I'm like,

00:26:09.060 when's the last time that you had a good meal, man? And he's like, dude, I'm a meth head.

00:26:13.200 Like, I don't eat dude. Like, you know, and he was like, you know, I could, he was joking. And like,

00:26:17.700 you know, so there's an Indian restaurant called the Dosa factory and they're open. Like,

00:26:22.440 I think they're open to like four or 5am or something. Shout out Dosa factory. 1.00

00:26:25.460 Shout out Dosa factory. So we went to the Dosa factory and it was amazing, man, because it's

00:26:30.820 just like, again, it's that dig, it's that dignified or it's that dignity when you look someone in the

00:26:35.320 eye and you actually ask them how they're doing and like, you care because you do care and people

00:26:40.680 can sense that. Right. So there's just like, he starts talking to me about how, you know, he,

00:26:46.240 he was in jail for six months for like this in, for weed, for this like sting operation that he

00:26:51.700 took the fall for. And his dad like served in Iraq in the first Gulf war. And he's always had this

00:26:57.480 like hard heart towards him and they don't have a very good relationship. And the only time he's

00:27:01.540 ever seen his dad cry is when he was, you know, shipped off to jail. And he's talking about how

00:27:05.920 like his grandpa Frank served in Ireland for the IRA and he's like a hardcore Christian. And he's just

00:27:12.040 like, he, I remind him of his grandpa because the way we both talk about God and he can't wait to

00:27:16.860 get home so he can like reconcile with his dad and talk about the Lord with his grandpa and all this.

00:27:21.140 And it's just like, he's completely done a 180. It's like, it's a miracle, you know? And I'm just

00:27:25.960 like, wow, this is crazy. So we closed down the restaurant, you know, it's six in the morning or

00:27:30.560 something like that at this point. And, uh, I had, I had some roommates at the time, very scared of

00:27:36.540 COVID, like very, very scared of COVID. But I'm like, I can't leave him on the street. Like anything

00:27:42.360 could happen to him between now and whenever his friend comes, right? So I'm like, okay, I'll tell

00:27:46.200 you what, man, like you can come to my house, sleep on the couch, be very quiet because my roommate has

00:27:51.260 a dog. And if they come down here and see you on the couch, they're going to like, they're going to

00:27:55.320 freak, like they're going to call the cops or something. It's going to be a mess, but I'm going to

00:27:58.720 leave you with some, you know, some food and some water and, you know, a charger or whatever. And just

00:28:03.680 please like, let yourself out in the morning when your friend comes. He's like, yeah, bro,

00:28:06.860 no problem. So I woke up the next morning and he was gone. So I just assumed that everything worked

00:28:12.120 out. I didn't think, you know, I didn't think too much of it. So then, you know, I called Doré. I

00:28:17.460 was like, dude, you will not believe what happened last night. Remember that dude that we met on the

00:28:21.480 stairs? Like he gave his life to God and he's currently on his way back to Toronto to make things

00:28:25.060 right with his family. And he's like, man, that's amazing. I was like, you're telling me like,

00:28:29.080 that was like one of the craziest experiences of my life, you know? And he's like, well,

00:28:32.800 we're going out to do it again. We're going to the West End. You want to come? And I'm just like,

00:28:36.540 man, if it's anything like it was the night before, I definitely want to come. So sure enough,

00:28:41.440 you know, I went and it was mostly overwhelmingly good experience, mostly positive because like,

00:28:48.400 you know, if you, if you meet somebody who thinks that you hate them. And I mean, for example,

00:28:55.920 like the West End in Vancouver is a notoriously gay community. But if, you know, a lot of these people 0.94

00:29:01.720 have anger towards Christians and have anger towards the church because they've been hurt

00:29:06.540 by the church or because they think that the church hates them or God hates them, right?

00:29:11.620 So when you go up to them and be like, hey man, hope you're having a good day. God loves you.

00:29:15.260 It's so disarming because they're like, first they're like, what are you doing here?

00:29:19.460 So they're guarded. And then it's like, hey man, God loves you. They're like, really?

00:29:24.000 They think it's an insult almost?

00:29:25.480 Well, no, it's like, it's like, it's like a surprising revelation. They're like, God loves

00:29:30.400 me. And that's like very profound. That's a profound understanding, right? Because it's

00:29:35.540 like, anyways, I got, yeah, it's, it's, it's a heavy realization because what do you, it's

00:29:43.040 like the parable of, you know, turning the other cheek. The reason why you're supposed to 0.95

00:29:49.140 turn the other cheek to someone who strikes you is not because, you know, we're just supposed

00:29:52.680 to be submissive and we're supposed to take a beating so that you can be act as a mirror 0.98

00:29:55.960 and you can reveal your accusers, you know, uh, depravity to themselves. So, you know,

00:30:02.380 if you tell someone who hates you because they think you hate them, I love you. God loves

00:30:07.200 you. What do you do with that? Right? So it was like a really positive experience. It was

00:30:11.620 a really amazing day. And, you know, it was the cops came because obviously some people

00:30:17.620 are not happy to see us there, but I'm, I'm, you know, it's just not represented properly

00:30:22.180 in the article at all. I'm talking like about a very small minority of people who were not

00:30:25.600 happy to see us there. And, uh, the cops came and they were like, actually, I don't hear

00:30:30.340 anything hateful or wrong with this message. You guys can stay. But you know, if it starts

00:30:33.380 to become dangerous for you or for anyone else, we have to break it up. So as the day went

00:30:38.140 on, um, the guy with the red hair that's in the clip, I've actually known him for five

00:30:44.080 years. I didn't know that he's, I didn't know that he's gay or belongs to that

00:30:47.320 community. Um, so I think when he saw me, it was, there was a bit of shame. Like he

00:30:53.060 felt like I had outed him. So he reacted in a very angry way. And then that's the clip

00:30:58.220 that was, you know, brought up, brought up, uh, on the news. But it's interesting. There

00:31:02.200 was no talk of sexuality or homosexuality or hellfire or anything like that. The only time 0.97

00:31:08.580 that was brought up was by a reporter from CTV who happened to be present, who was also a member,

00:31:15.180 who I found out subsequently is a member of the Vancouver Greek Orthodox Church. So she

00:31:19.080 knows scripture, right? Whether she's a lover of Jesus and has a relationship with the Lord

00:31:22.940 is one thing, but she grew up as a cultural Christian. So she knows scripture. And she

00:31:27.340 says, you know, well, where in the Bible does it even talk about homosexuality? Right?

00:31:32.020 Pretty sure that's in there. Right? And then Doria says, well, 1 Corinthians 6, you know,

00:31:36.240 and the beauty about first, about that verse that often gets taken out of context is it

00:31:41.400 talks about all of these things, neither drunkards nor lovers of self or homosexuals,

00:31:47.020 whatever will inherit the kingdom of God, blah, blah, blah. But that's usually where people

00:31:49.620 stop quoting. But if you keep reading, it says, but that's what you were. You've been

00:31:53.700 made new, you know? So the beauty of that verse is like, God loves you. You've been

00:31:57.560 given a new identity, you know, story of the day, what identity is, right? But anyways,

00:32:04.020 she was digging for a clip. She got her clip of him saying that out of his mouth. And then

00:32:09.520 that became the story, homophobic sermon sparks outrage in the West End. And there was no outrage

00:32:14.580 sparked. There was maybe by the end of it, after that guy who knew me got really angry and in my

00:32:19.680 face, there was maybe 10 people there maximum. And, you know, we talked to hundreds of people that day.

00:32:25.420 And, you know, folks were honking at us from the car. People were waving. People were giving us hugs.

00:32:29.820 They don't show any of that on the news. They don't show like anything feel good at all. And then it

00:32:34.640 became a national story. They ran it two nights in a row. And unfortunately, my face

00:32:39.460 is in it and my girlfriend's face is in it. My girlfriend is a, well, she was a model and she's

00:32:45.400 a makeup Instagram influencer. So between her and myself, our social media reach is larger than CTV

00:32:51.820 Vancouver, right? So unfortunately, if you're in any sort, well, just in life, but especially in

00:32:57.420 entertainment, you can't have any sort of a success without gaining some haters along the way. So

00:33:02.200 everybody who's ever hated me, and, you know, if you do some research, it won't be that difficult

00:33:07.300 to find out who the culprits were, you know, that were spreading these lies about us. You

00:33:13.240 know, they took this as the opportunity to take pot shots at us. So, oh, Brevner is, you

00:33:17.440 know, they, it went from a sermon on the West End to homophobic sermon on the West End.

00:33:22.240 And then when it hit Facebook, it became homophobic political protest. And if you support, you

00:33:27.320 know, Matt Brevner or Amanda Benko, you're homophobic and you support this, that, this, that.

00:33:30.780 The point I want to make about that is I could pick out probably 500 songs on my playlist that

00:33:40.220 if you pull out one section of a lyric, you can say this person's racist or they're homophobic

00:33:45.460 or they're anti-woman or a whole mix match of whatever, whatever. So is the only reason

00:33:51.000 why this backlash comes is because the media chooses to, to point it out and to blow it up

00:33:56.840 to an audience that isn't exposed to this sort of stuff. So all of a sudden, uh, CTV Vancouver

00:34:02.120 viewers who have never heard of you are all of a sudden making you known as a homophobic rapper.

00:34:06.540 And I want to put that into a question form of how does that affect your career afterwards?

00:34:11.720 Does, cause like I said, if we're hiring five artists for a festival, you can probably find

00:34:17.440 all five of them having things where you could label them as this, that, or the other. But is it

00:34:21.000 because Matt Brevner is now labeled as this in the mainstream media that we can hire him or

00:34:26.400 something? Or so my question is, how does that affect your career afterwards?

00:34:29.460 Um, well, I mean, me and my girlfriend, we got completely canceled, you know, like my former

00:34:35.180 label put out a press release denouncing my homophobic actions before even talking to me.

00:34:39.760 And which label is that?

00:34:40.800 It's HerbNet.

00:34:41.360 Okay.

00:34:42.000 I'm their Toronto based label. Um, and you know, I don't even, and I need, I need this to be clear.

00:34:47.060 I don't want you guys or whoever's watching to go flood HerbNet with any sort of hate or cancellation

00:34:51.500 because they're a small business and it takes a lot of, you know, my cross is not their cross.

00:34:59.180 And when the cancel mob is coming for you and you're a small business, it's kind of a scary thing.

00:35:03.980 And I especially can't expect them to defend me when they don't hold, you know, conservative values,

00:35:08.780 let alone Christian values.

00:35:09.980 Like, yeah, but don't there other artists say probably much worse things?

00:35:13.100 Oh yeah, definitely. But that's the thing. It's like, it's, it's a double standard, right?

00:35:17.420 Because like, if I talk about selling drugs or gang banging or whatever else, getting money

00:35:24.060 in illicit ways, which I've talked about in my career, it's fine. Not only is it, not only is it

00:35:30.220 fine, it's celebrated. But as soon as I say, Jesus loves you, like I'm not even, this is not even a

00:35:35.500 gross oversimplification because that's, that's what I'm about. God saved my life. And I, the least I can

00:35:40.460 do now is let other people know. And it's like, but you can't do that. So that what tells, I know,

00:35:46.380 I understand this to be like a spiritual battle. And I, I've seen it with, because it just,

00:35:51.420 it's not logical. It doesn't make sense. You can't rationalize it. But yeah, as far as like the,

00:35:55.980 the career goes, like my career was essentially completely ruined. I basically went into hiding

00:36:00.940 for a year. I was getting received, my girlfriend and I were both receiving death threats.

00:36:04.620 She's a Vogue internationally published model. She got released from all three of her agencies

00:36:09.900 internationally. And someone reached out over Instagram, and this is a global account. This is

00:36:14.220 not a Vancouver account. Right. And said, Oh, one of your sales associates was caught up in,

00:36:20.220 in some homophobic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they reached out to her and said her name,

00:36:25.020 the person who reached out, didn't even mention her name in it. But they reached out and like,

00:36:28.780 Oh, we can confirm that Amanda no longer works. And they fired her when she was on a leave of absence, 1.00

00:36:33.740 having nothing to do with any of this. But they just wanted to like, keep it quiet and brush it under the

00:36:37.340 rug. So they, they literally put her, her identity and her safety in jeopardy. Right. So yeah,

00:36:43.020 we had to move. We, we haven't been working for like the last year, year plus.

00:36:49.820 Thank God for rebel because you know, they've given me an opportunity to not only pay my rent

00:36:55.180 and kind of recoup a little bit, but also like, hopefully in a form of redemption. And something

00:37:00.220 that has been really gratifying to me is that I came to this company just on the merit of my video

00:37:08.540 skill set, which I acquired out of prudence of my music career. I didn't, you know, I, it's,

00:37:14.060 it's awesome that now, you know, you recognize me and some folks are like, Hey, well, you're a

00:37:18.060 musician. Oh, well, you're actually like a musician. And so it's like a little bit of like a, you know,

00:37:23.420 the kinder surprise and the toy in the middle of the egg. So like, that's cool. But yeah, I mean,

00:37:27.100 I can't, I can't, the financial loss and the career loss and the opportunity lost.

00:37:32.060 It's, that's just the beginning of it, you know, because I also lost all, I lost like 90% of my

00:37:37.180 friends. I lost a lot of family because it's, it's, they have to reconcile. Family? Yeah, man.

00:37:42.940 People have to reconcile what they saw on you or about you with how they know you for your entire

00:37:49.180 life. And if they are going to take a second to be like, Hey, wait a second, this is not Matt.

00:37:55.420 I don't know him to be like this. Now you're accountable to that position because everybody who knows

00:38:01.420 me and holds a counter position or everyone who doesn't know me in their first introduction to

00:38:05.820 me is that slanderous news piece. They have to stand up for you. And unfortunately, you know,

00:38:10.220 and I don't expect people to do that. I have grace for you guys that bailed on me and you know who you

00:38:14.780 are and there's a lot of you, but in the same sense, like all it would have taken was a couple of

00:38:20.620 people to be like, Hey, this is not true. And it wouldn't, the carnage wouldn't have happened in the

00:38:24.300 way that it did, you know, but cancel culture is scary. You know, it's like, even for, you know,

00:38:29.420 I don't expect you to not be able to pay your mortgage so that you can defend me because I

00:38:32.860 was out with a street preacher talking about Jesus, you know, like that's, I didn't, you didn't ask

00:38:37.100 for that, you know? And, but you know, I, I'm like grateful for the folks who did and who have like

00:38:42.300 fought for me in private and small conversations, but it's like seeing the carnage, it's like, yeah,

00:38:48.220 I don't want to lose my job. I don't want to lose my livelihood, my relationships. So yeah, it's been

00:38:53.180 disappointing, but it's also been like a, an eye opener to like, I feel like the conversations

00:38:59.820 and the situations that freedom loving folks are experiencing now with their friendships

00:39:05.100 and their families. I went through this a year ago already, I'm already untethered,

00:39:09.740 unyoked to the fear and the crap. So in that way, I'm like grateful because I feel like I got to go 0.77

00:39:16.300 through this in a very extreme way on my own, which allowed me to like not take solace and

00:39:22.940 comfort in other people or quick opportunities, but really, okay, strip everything off. Who am I?

00:39:28.220 What do I stand for? And how do I want to rebuild my life? So in that way, it's, it's, it's actually

00:39:32.300 been a gift. And I want to get into your new music, but before we do, because we can't do it for free,

00:39:37.100 you guys, I'm sorry. We're going to move behind the paywall, rebelnewsplus.com. You can sign up

00:39:41.740 for $8 a month or $80 for a year. And that way you'll save two months, really three,

00:39:46.140 because there's a free trial at the beginning. So rebelnewsplus.com with Matt Brevner. But before

00:39:50.540 we go behind it, tell them where to find your music. You can find me on Spotify, Brevner. If

00:39:55.180 you Google Brevner, Spotify, Facebook, Instagram, all these things will pop up. B-R-E-V-N-E-R. 1.00

00:40:01.260 And I'm dropping a new album called In Jesus Name sometime this summer. All right. So we're going

00:40:07.020 to get to some new stuff behind the paywall, rebelnewsplus.com, you guys.

00:40:10.380 Okay, yeah, we're just going to promote your new music. That's okay. No, we're still under an hour,

00:40:19.180 so it's fine. So we're good? So we're behind the paywall now, Matt. You want to release new music,

00:40:26.300 you're going to. You've given us the blessing of previewing some of it. I can confirm it is fire.

00:40:32.620 What is fueling the new style? Is there a new style? Is there something else fueling it now?

00:40:37.500 Is it based on your past? Just a couple minutes on that. Sure. Yeah. I have a conviction about,

00:40:43.180 I just want to make art that's up to my worldly standards, but for the kingdom and for a righteous

00:40:48.620 cause. So, you know, I feel like if it's art for God, it shouldn't be less than what the world's

00:40:55.420 putting out. It should be even greater. So I just want to bring my tastes. I don't have too much

00:40:59.580 experience listening to, you know, Christian hip hop or conservative hip hop or anything else. I just want

00:41:03.980 to bring what I love to do to, you know, to the art form and to the genre. And hopefully,

00:41:09.020 it, you know, some people are inspired by it. Hopefully it really, some people relate to it,

00:41:12.860 but it's got to, you know, and you listen to like good hip hop and it gives you that kind of like,

00:41:16.140 oh, that is the head motion. I mean, it was the stink face. I agree. So it has to pass a stink face.

00:41:23.900 Now, are you looking forward to doing anything with anybody? We talked briefly about Tom McDonald,

00:41:29.500 who's somebody who, you know, personally, what's it been like, uh, to see somebody who,

00:41:33.580 you know, personally, I mean, you knew a lot of other guys, you knew match how to them.

00:41:37.500 They didn't go through this pathway of, uh, most resistance. I would say that Tom McDonald,

00:41:42.540 uh, has gone through. Does that give you a sense of hope, a sense of pride for what's to come for

00:41:47.340 you? Because now there is, I've, um, interviewed Bryson Gray. I've interviewed anomaly. Does this give you

00:41:53.580 a hope and a sense of direction for what you want to do?

00:41:56.460 I got to say, Tom, Tom's one of my oldest friends in the, in the music industry.

00:42:00.940 And he is one of the, and I mean on, well, not even one of the, outside of like my Christian friends,

00:42:07.340 he's the only person that reached out to me, was on the phone with me every day, talking about how

00:42:12.860 can we get over this? It's going to be okay. Like he actually, you know, and that says a lot to his

00:42:17.020 character and in his own way, he's had, you know, a baptism by fire every week. So he gets it.

00:42:23.100 Um, but for him to, you know, humble himself, reach out to an old friend and be like,

00:42:30.620 my heart hurts for what's happening to you was just so cool because like, there's guys with a

00:42:36.220 20th of the platform that Tom and Nova have that were not only didn't reach out, but were quick to

00:42:41.580 like trash me online for their own gain. So yeah, I mean, wherever the Lord wants me,

00:42:47.340 the Lord's going to place me. I'm not doing this so that I can necessarily do it for my glory. Like,

00:42:52.220 I really just, I love to make art and if people benefit from it, that's awesome. But really it's

00:42:56.860 just that whole thing was a testament to Tom's character and our friendship. And for that,

00:43:01.820 like I'm super grateful. So you want to set up your new music video, which I believe is going to be

00:43:06.540 exclusive here first, and then we'll get it out to the rest of the world. What, uh, what was it like

00:43:10.620 to finally, you know, get in front of the camera to film a video again and to, you know, feel what you

00:43:15.420 probably haven't felt in a couple of years. Do you want to set that up? Sure. Yeah. It was very,

00:43:20.380 it was a frightening experience because the thing is when you get canceled, you lose all of your

00:43:24.060 resources. And as an entrepreneur, most of your resources are relationships. So I couldn't find

00:43:28.220 anyone to mix my music. I couldn't find anyone to master my music. I couldn't find anyone to shoot

00:43:32.060 any of my videos, like could do any of my graphic design, nothing. So literally this song, it's called

00:43:37.980 Behind Me. My girlfriend and I shot the video. I produced the music. I mixed the music. My girlfriend

00:43:43.660 and I did the cover art together. We shot it in our, you know, our little apartment in Vancouver.

00:43:47.580 And yeah, the song, I actually wrote the song before I got canceled. So to be putting it out

00:43:53.180 now is just such a, an amazing gift. And to know that I'm able to put this out now from a place of

00:43:58.060 confidence and joy and not from a place where I feel like I'm swinging back or fighting. It's, it's,

00:44:03.900 it's, yeah, it's reassuring and it's just, it's a really beautiful thing. So I hope that, uh,

00:44:08.460 it inspires some folks and yeah. All right. So we're going to throw to that Brevner on Spotify,

00:44:13.980 on Instagram, on Twitter. He's on my Spotify list. And of course, him and Drea Humphrey are covering

00:44:19.580 the whole West Coast. You guys have watched their videos. You've loved them. There was that recent

00:44:22.860 wedding video you guys did. I love the cinematography, even the crazy environmentalist

00:44:27.180 protest. My words, not yours. So keep watching the West Coast feed of Rebel News, because this is the

00:44:32.860 production team you've got behind you and it's really good. And let's go ahead and check out your

00:44:36.860 new video and we're, this album is going to drop soon, you guys. So you don't want to miss it.

Rebel News Podcast - May 28, 2021

'Cancelled' for Saying Jesus Loves You ｜ Matt Brevner on Andrew Says 25

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