Rebel News Podcast - China's high tech spying and trade zone control points can only aim at world domination

00:00:00.000 Hey Rebels, oh boy, today I wish you had the video version of the podcast.

00:00:03.980 I'm going to take you through about 10 short videos about Chinese high-tech,

00:00:09.820 about how it's used facial recognition, gait recognition, how you walk, emotion recognition,

00:00:17.120 searching by face, terrifying things.

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00:00:48.240 Okay, here's today's podcast.

00:00:54.180 You're listening to a Rebel News podcast.

00:01:00.000 Tonight, yesterday I showed you China's new aircraft carrier.

00:01:08.900 Now let me show you how they use high-tech to spy on their own people.

00:01:13.320 It's December 18th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:16.000 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:21.860 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:25.940 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody

00:01:30.800 right to do so.

00:01:37.040 Yesterday I showed you how China's aircraft carrier program is coming along.

00:01:41.700 They've just commissioned their second aircraft carrier, the Shandong.

00:01:46.300 What I'm showing you here is their first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning.

00:01:50.540 They have a third one under construction and I doubt that will be the last.

00:01:55.440 That's what you do when you want to dominate the world, the waters around China itself, 1.00

00:02:00.120 when you want to lay claim to islands that aren't yours, to fishing rights that aren't yours,

00:02:04.700 when you want to utterly dominate Vietnam and Taiwan and the Philippines and frankly any 0.92

00:02:10.720 other middle power.

00:02:11.800 But it's also what you do when you start to put your thumb on the scale farther away from

00:02:16.360 home.

00:02:16.660 Right now, when a U.S. Navy carrier battle group sails into the Persian Gulf or the Mediterranean

00:02:21.920 Sea, it immediately becomes the biggest military force in the region, whether that's aimed at

00:02:27.460 terrorist groups or countries.

00:02:30.320 Why wouldn't China start doing that?

00:02:32.460 They practically own parts of Africa like Sudan, for example. 0.86

00:02:38.000 They own a significant stake in Sudanese oil.

00:02:41.220 They sell Sudan its military equipment.

00:02:43.700 Much of the world put sanctions on Sudan because of their genocide in Darfur, but China didn't

00:02:48.940 care.

00:02:49.320 Actually cared a lot because it got to buy oil at below world market prices.

00:02:53.660 Same thing happened with the sanctions on Iran.

00:02:56.460 China didn't obey them. 1.00

00:02:57.700 So they bought that sanctioned oil at a deep discount because the West wouldn't buy it.

00:03:04.560 What happens, though, if there's a big conflagration in Sudan or Iran or, heck, even parts of the

00:03:11.400 Caribbean where China is increasingly active?

00:03:14.620 Remember when Donald Trump mused about buying Greenland from Denmark?

00:03:18.540 It wasn't just a joke.

00:03:20.200 China had been trying to build major airfields in Greenland.

00:03:23.580 And those were proceeding until American intervention.

00:03:27.320 That tweet from Trump might have looked like a laugh to the Trump-hating media.

00:03:32.380 But imagine if China were to have had access to air bases in Greenland.

00:03:37.160 And I think Trump's tweet stopped some of that ambition on their part.

00:03:42.780 China controls much of the Panama Canal.

00:03:46.240 Imagine if China parked its navy off the coast of the Panama Canal. 0.76

00:03:49.520 We're right in the middle of it.

00:03:51.420 China controls about half the free trade zone around the canal.

00:03:55.420 I'm worried about these things.

00:03:56.980 China is by far the largest military threat to the West.

00:03:59.640 It doesn't have the same nuclear missile arsenal that Russia has.

00:04:02.660 But I think it's much more likely that China will use its military against the West and 0.72

00:04:08.000 our allies than Russia would ever use its nukes, don't you?

00:04:12.520 Well, the thing is, aircraft carriers and other weapons of war are what you use against foreign 0.94

00:04:17.180 countries, foreign militaries.

00:04:19.460 China is not dominant yet.

00:04:21.300 America still is, and America's ally, the UK, is too.

00:04:25.100 And hopefully, India can rise to become a proper regional counterweight to China.

00:04:29.640 And hopefully, Japan will take its responsibilities, and South Korea and Taiwan, too. 0.84

00:04:34.500 But a battle that is happening right now is being fought in a different way.

00:04:38.120 And I'm talking about China's war against its own people. 0.78

00:04:41.960 We've seen a taste of that in Hong Kong recently.

00:04:44.220 Remember, Hong Kong is absolutely, legally, constitutionally a part of China again.

00:04:49.580 There's no border anymore.

00:04:50.660 There's a boundary, but that's just an imaginary line.

00:04:53.620 It's all Chinese. 0.96

00:04:54.800 And China wants to stamp out the freedom virus in Hong Kong before it spreads.

00:05:00.440 They haven't gone full Tiananmen Square yet.

00:05:03.000 I think there are genuine reasons for that.

00:05:05.100 I think world opinion would be so shocked that the diplomatic and trade reaction would be so

00:05:10.320 dramatic that China would immediately fall into a recession, and that could actually lead

00:05:14.960 to uprisings in China.

00:05:16.240 And I think that unlike the heart of Beijing, where Tiananmen Square is, where the democracy

00:05:22.020 protesters in Beijing were limited in number, and I think they were somewhat unsophisticated,

00:05:27.580 Hong Kong's people are sophisticated.

00:05:30.260 And there's so many of them, and they're so unanimous.

00:05:33.540 They know what's going on.

00:05:34.880 They're committed to their cause.

00:05:35.860 So although it would be an extremely lopsided battle, modern tanks and guns versus literally

00:05:42.100 bows and arrows, that's what Hong Kongers were using at a protest that was stormed by

00:05:48.800 Chinese police last month, I think Hong Kongers would actually win that military battle, however 0.99

00:05:56.920 lopsided it is.

00:05:57.820 But what about China nipping things in the bud before they go pear-shaped, as the Brits 0.97

00:06:02.780 say, before there's a democratic wave in China proper?

00:06:07.760 What if China could have a battlefield not of guns and aircraft carriers, and even bows 0.61

00:06:12.680 and arrows, but a battlefield of the internet, of apps, a battlefield of the mind, really?

00:06:20.700 Well, that's happening right now.

00:06:21.880 I've shown you this clip before from a Chinese bullet train.

00:06:25.320 Dear passengers, people who travel without tickets or behave disorderly or smoking in 0.97

00:06:33.440 public areas will be punished according to regulations, and the behavior will be recorded

00:06:39.420 in the individual credit information system.

00:06:42.740 To avoid any negative record of person operated, please follow the relevant regulations and help

00:06:49.840 with the orders on the train and at the station.

00:06:52.920 So everything is linked in China to your database.

00:06:57.740 If you do anything wrong, not just crimes, of course, but anything antisocial, like on the

00:07:03.100 train, it goes on a central government file that you can never erase.

00:07:07.200 You can never even check it.

00:07:08.620 You obviously can't appeal it.

00:07:10.360 This is China.

00:07:11.080 And the government there even brags about how it uses the database, denying people train

00:07:18.600 tickets, plane tickets, denying them the ability to rent an apartment.

00:07:22.440 Now in Beijing, you have to be visually scanned, your face scanned, even get internet hooked up

00:07:27.580 at home.

00:07:28.080 Imagine that.

00:07:28.780 You can't live somewhere or get on the internet because of something you said online once, some

00:07:35.580 place you went once, some friend you have.

00:07:38.600 Now there are some amazing and positive uses of high technology even in China, but there

00:07:44.820 are an equal number of awful uses.

00:07:47.240 If you think of man's purpose in life as just being an atom in the world, just a cog in the

00:07:51.620 machine, whose real purpose in life is to obey and produce and consume and be part of the

00:07:57.440 establishment and think of proof thoughts and just be an economic unit, just add to the GDP.

00:08:02.320 You'll love China these days, but otherwise it's a bit like a sci-fi dystopia.

00:08:09.140 I don't know if you saw that movie way back in 2002 called Minority Report, where Tom Cruise

00:08:15.360 is, there's this one scene where he's walking through a mall that has not facial recognition,

00:08:20.160 but optical recognition.

00:08:22.440 It scanned your eyes for your retina.

00:08:24.360 And so the mall had speakers that called out Tom Cruise's name as he walked through it because

00:08:30.580 they could identify him.

00:08:31.760 It was creepy and freaky and in that scene he was actually running from the police so he

00:08:35.960 had someone else's eyeballs put in his head.

00:08:38.540 I know it was sci-fi, but pretty much has come true in less than 20 years.

00:08:43.480 We don't have retina scanners in malls, I don't think.

00:08:49.000 No, we have full facial recognition everywhere, which is why Hong Kong protesters wore masks

00:08:55.360 to hide their face from police.

00:08:57.280 But I recently discovered the social media feed of someone named Matthew Brennan.

00:09:02.380 He's a commentator and pundit on technology in China, and he publishes little videos and

00:09:07.300 other thoughts about him.

00:09:08.700 He's deep into it.

00:09:09.780 We'll invite him on the show, and I hope he accepts.

00:09:12.020 I wonder if he'd be comfortable being on Rebel News, given our views on Hong Kong freedom

00:09:17.100 and how closely Brennan himself studies Chinese surveillance technology.

00:09:21.820 I'm guessing he won't risk coming on.

00:09:23.780 He doesn't want to hurt his social credit.

00:09:25.160 But let me show you some videos I've simply culled from his social media feed because they

00:09:29.580 are fascinating to me.

00:09:32.460 Here is one.

00:09:34.120 This Chinese app is a teenager's worst nightmare. 1.00

00:09:37.420 It's a way to track people you love and when they move.

00:09:42.020 Yeah, so it could be a way to make sure a child is at school or the child is now done school

00:10:07.880 walking to grandma's place.

00:10:10.380 Or obviously it could be a way for police to track you.

00:10:15.020 Chinese face recognition vending machine.

00:10:18.340 No cash, card, or phone needed.

00:10:20.640 What handy technology.

00:10:48.980 Hey, no need to even bring a wallet or phone.

00:10:52.280 But that's pure minority report.

00:10:55.660 This is a vending machine.

00:10:56.840 But how many surveillance cameras can track you just like that?

00:11:00.020 Well, the answer is all of them can.

00:11:03.340 Chinese artificial intelligence company MegV's intelligent class solution.

00:11:09.640 Facial and emotion recognition powered cameras track students' every move and expression.

00:11:16.860 看見你,你會看見你。

00:11:18.860 但你會看見你。

00:11:19.860 中國人的身上的身上的身上的身上的身上的身上的身上。

00:11:20.720 視像機實現教室內無感考慶。

00:11:22.040 前端相機自動巡航抓拍。

00:11:23.080 準確識別學生臉部信息。

00:11:25.280 輕鬆實現考慶。

00:11:26.840 省去點名時間提高教學效率。

00:11:29.820 考慶狀態也能實時更新。

00:11:33.200 考慶行為分析一體機。

00:11:35.100 實現學生考慶及行為分析。

00:11:37.580 基於人臉識別數據及行為分析算法。

00:11:41.080 得到課堂中每名學生的行ผม數據。

00:11:43.980 通过对学生面部表情进行识别,如高兴,困惑,厌恶等,反映学生学习专注度,对教学内容的接受情况,帮助老师了解学生的课堂动态情绪变化及心理特征,以便调整教学内容和教学进度,实现对学生针对性教学指导,为学生带来更好的学习体验。

00:12:09.700 Now, so far, according to this video, it's just a proposal, but to literally scan the faces of students all the time, all the time.

00:12:17.440 Now, there was happy music in the background, but imagine your every move, your every expression, your every glance, your every word being tracked.

00:12:24.600 Now, these are students, so they're minors, but of course, they'll do this to adults, too.

00:12:29.900 Same technology. I hope you put duct tape over your webcam and your laptop like I do.

00:12:35.120 This video is pretty clear about, you know, the implications of living in a world of ubiquitous AI-driven facial recognition and computer vision.

00:12:49.240 No possible way to skip class anymore.

00:12:52.560 Class monitoring system clocks you in the minute you walk through the door.

00:12:56.940 So, punishments, if you're not a good student.

00:13:10.220 You're late, it clocked you in. You leave early, clocked you in.

00:13:13.940 Social credit starts as a kid.

00:13:16.160 Now, I can see the use for tracking people sometimes, like children, to make sure no one other than kids gets entry into a school,

00:13:22.460 to make sure a kid doesn't run away, like here.

00:13:26.120 Chinese Elementary School Facial Recognition System in Action, Shenzhen.

00:13:42.600 And here's another one.

00:13:44.380 Elementary School Deployment of Facial Recognition Technology, Nanjing, China.

00:13:47.800 Looks like a lot of Chinese schools do that.

00:14:04.280 Looks like that's fully deployed.

00:14:05.580 But don't think they won't use that for grown-ups, too, to get onto a bus, a subway, a plane, a train, to cross the street.

00:14:12.820 They are using it for those things.

00:14:14.640 Look at this. Chinese Facial Recognition System to discourage minor traffic violations.

00:14:19.560 Cross the road when you shouldn't, and a picture of you with your name, ID card, number, pop up on the big screen for everyone to see.

00:14:26.300 So you're being named and shamed, and of course that's being added to your database, your social credit.

00:14:48.720 Here's a vid where they have some sort of spray, some sort of lasers.

00:14:52.540 Chinese cities experimenting with tech to stop jaywalking pedestrians at busy intersections.

00:14:58.460 Even if you cover your face, they have something called gate recognition.

00:15:20.560 You can sort of tell by how someone walks, who they are, right?

00:15:24.040 We know that instinctively.

00:15:25.680 Different people in our family, we can tell who's walking up the stairs just by how it sounds, how they walk, what they look like.

00:15:31.140 Of course, the sound of it.

00:15:32.920 They do that in China now en masse using AI.

00:15:35.980 Let me quote what Brennan says.

00:15:38.000 Even without face recognition, you can still be tracked through gate recognition.

00:15:41.920 Data on the clothes you wear can also be used by stores to provide accurate product sales recommendations.

00:15:47.080 Here's the next one.

00:16:06.100 Sometimes that technology can be great.

00:16:08.480 I mean, Chinese Fire Service testing drones as a way to help fight fires in high-rise apartment buildings.

00:16:17.080 You can order food in the same way.

00:16:32.620 In China, it's possible to get KFC delivered to you by drone.

00:16:37.920 Probably some parts in America, too.

00:16:40.440 KFC Subway Chinese noodles delivered by automated drone within 25-kilometer radius, Hangzhou, China.

00:16:47.280 Sure, there's places in America, I just don't live in one.

00:17:05.460 But you doubt that in China, authorities use flying drones to spy on you, too.

00:17:10.200 Whether it's in an apartment window or on the ground, well, of course, they do already.

00:17:15.120 Look at this.

00:17:16.180 Chinese traffic police using drones with loudspeakers.

00:17:19.280 That is right out of sci-fi.

00:17:21.640 Okay, let's go.

00:17:22.500 Now, obviously, Huawei, China's leading tech company, is at the forefront of much of this.

00:17:44.720 Here's one about that.

00:17:45.760 Huawei phones tailored for use by Chinese police.

00:17:50.140 The mobile phone can collect and identify faces in real time, verify ID cards, and has multiple hardware and software features to ensure information security.

00:17:59.360 They're not even pretending that they're not part of the state security apparatus.

00:18:24.420 It's like IBM was for the Nazis, Huawei is for China's dictatorship. 0.83

00:18:29.080 They'll get rich by enslaving their countrymen, and maybe ours.

00:18:34.500 Look at this.

00:18:35.660 I mean, sometimes it's just fun.

00:18:37.340 Chinese viral deepfakes app, Zhao, clip of myself as Sheldon, generated in a few seconds from a single picture.

00:18:45.560 You know, it occurs to me, you could solve all your problems by obtaining more money.

00:18:55.040 Yes, it occurs to me, too.

00:18:57.640 So I don't know if you get what was going on there.

00:18:59.680 I think that was Third Rock from the Sun, or I forget what show that is.

00:19:03.400 I don't watch it.

00:19:03.980 But you can put your own face into a TV or a movie, a TV show or a movie, just from a picture.

00:19:10.660 It's a fun app, obviously, but imagine the government uses of that, not just to harvest every face in the country through the app,

00:19:17.620 but imagine the disinformation, the fakes, the lies as necessary, the compromising videos they could fake.

00:19:24.860 Again, it's often just about money.

00:19:26.400 Look at this.

00:19:27.000 Wow, worth watching this.

00:19:28.680 China's largest video platform, Tencent Video, 97 million paying China subscribers,

00:19:34.240 will begin inserting extra ads into movies, series that didn't exist in the original.

00:19:58.680 Yeah, sometimes it's just about money.

00:20:21.340 I mean, everyone wants to get rich.

00:20:23.220 Here's one of the richest men in China, Jack Ma.

00:20:25.280 Jack Ma confirms the truth of an old Chinese internet saying,

00:20:30.460 Alibaba makes their money from women, Tencent makes their money from kids.

00:20:35.060 Yeah, that's the secret source of Alibaba success.

00:20:38.640 Even today, more than 60% of the shoppers on Alibaba, they're women, 1.00

00:20:43.000 but they buy things for their husband, for their parents, for their kids.

00:20:48.260 Men only buy for themselves. 0.98

00:20:49.680 Men only buy for themselves. 0.98

00:20:51.380 All right, but you don't make it rich in China off women or kids without doing whatever 1.00

00:21:01.560 the Communist Party tells you to do, including handing over all your information.

00:21:07.220 It looks fun.

00:21:08.160 Look at this.

00:21:08.840 China restaurant automation.

00:21:10.440 It looks fun.

00:21:22.120 I do worry about people being put out of work by machines,

00:21:24.640 but I guess that's happened since the time of the steam engine,

00:21:27.440 since the mechanical loom.

00:21:29.400 It's progress, I guess, but at some cost.

00:21:32.220 I wouldn't want to live like this.

00:21:35.880 The legendary space capsule-style hotel, Shenzhen, China.

00:21:40.440 56 renminbi a night, less than $8 U.S.

00:21:43.280 But I suppose living in a pod like a bug is better than living like a peasant in a hut. 0.99

00:22:10.140 I think, at least.

00:22:11.960 In China, everything is for sale.

00:22:14.680 I suppose that kind of crony capitalism is better than crony communism.

00:22:18.000 It's a little bit happier.

00:22:19.860 Look at this.

00:22:20.260 Chinese TikTok now has in-video search.

00:22:23.560 Search someone's face to find more videos of them.

00:22:26.380 Search in-video products or clothes and buy directly.

00:22:30.560 Imagine that.

00:22:31.360 Did you see that?

00:22:32.440 So you just see a face in a video and you touch it,

00:22:35.400 and you can search for anything.

00:22:37.460 What's that shirt?

00:22:38.300 Who's that person?

00:22:39.040 That's very powerful, powerful for police, too.

00:22:43.520 China dominates tech more than I knew, maybe more than you knew.

00:22:47.840 Look at this.

00:22:48.760 Top apps worldwide by downloads.

00:22:52.000 China's killing it.

00:22:53.580 Now, look at that.

00:22:54.020 A lot of those companies you probably recognize.

00:22:55.540 Facebook, WhatsApp, YouTube.

00:22:57.180 But look at the ones in the red boxes there.

00:22:58.880 Those are Chinese apps.

00:23:01.160 A lot of them are for commerce and chat and are big in China.

00:23:04.920 But TikTok, the number two app in the world right now,

00:23:09.140 sold on Apple phones and Android phones, it's Chinese.

00:23:12.440 And it's used by people across Canada, United States, Europe, the world.

00:23:17.980 And all that data is going back to a Chinese company.

00:23:21.260 Did you hear a while back about Facebook considering launching its own currency?

00:23:26.980 I think they were going to call it the Libra.

00:23:29.280 I think that's terrifying.

00:23:30.440 Imagine if you had thousands of dollars in Libra currency

00:23:33.280 and suddenly you were deplatformed by Mark Zuckerberg for political reasons.

00:23:37.120 Terrifying to me.

00:23:37.840 Well, look at this.

00:23:38.980 Look at this.

00:23:39.380 People's Bank of China may be the first central bank in the world

00:23:43.460 to issue sovereign digital currency,

00:23:47.100 declared by Huang Qifan,

00:23:49.100 Vice Chairman of the China Center for International Economic Exchanges.

00:23:52.940 Everybody wants to get rich, like Mark Zuckerberg does.

00:23:57.640 A Chinese digital currency used by every Chinese person on their Chinese cell phones,

00:24:01.980 that would be huge.

00:24:03.060 That would rival the American dollar, maybe even exceed it.

00:24:05.660 But more than that, it likely wouldn't be a cryptocurrency.

00:24:10.220 They said digital currency, not cryptocurrency.

00:24:14.060 Cryptocurrencies are designed to be untraceable, untrackable.

00:24:18.140 I'm guessing a Chinese digital currency would be the opposite.

00:24:21.120 It would likely be absolutely fingerprinted.

00:24:25.300 So the government would know every penny, every yuan you ever earned,

00:24:30.260 you ever spent, who you spent it on, and on what, and when, and whom,

00:24:34.320 and who they spent it on, everything.

00:24:35.800 Imagine if your money could talk about you, digitally speaking.

00:24:40.740 No need for spies.

00:24:42.760 Your whole life is spying on you.

00:24:44.880 You're spying on yourself through your actions, your phone, your face, your money,

00:24:49.440 your emotions, as that one scan suggested.

00:24:52.860 Look, it's fun, a lot of it.

00:24:54.480 TikTok is hilarious.

00:24:55.920 There are so many funny videos on there, most of them 15 seconds long,

00:24:59.680 perfect for the millennial attention span.

00:25:02.180 And all of that data, billions of views sent right back to China.

00:25:07.400 Add in some commerce and you rule the world.

00:25:11.320 Karl Marx, the original communist, said,

00:25:14.720 religion was the opiate of the masses. 0.88

00:25:17.680 I think cell phones, the internet, celebrities, games, fun.

00:25:23.020 That's the opiate of the masses.

00:25:25.660 But at least opium itself never told the police everything you said and did and looked at.

00:25:31.920 The internet is no doubt taming Chinese people 1.00

00:25:36.020 to keep them down on behalf of the Chinese government.

00:25:40.180 But the internet is also ready to pounce on any Chinese person 1.00

00:25:43.880 who doesn't want to be tamed.

00:25:45.800 And as more and more Americans and Canadians use Chinese tech

00:25:50.060 from Huawei phones and 5G

00:25:52.780 to the TikTok app to payment processors,

00:25:57.420 well, don't think you won't be under their thumb, too.

00:26:01.940 Stay with us for more.

00:26:03.040 Well, one of our good friends has been on a sort of partisan political leave from us

00:26:21.200 for various months.

00:26:22.780 I'm talking about Professor Salim Mansour,

00:26:25.920 who ran for political office.

00:26:28.820 First, he sought the nomination of the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:26:33.540 What a great catch, a star candidate he would be for them.

00:26:38.840 Alas, he was blackballed by the party without explanation.

00:26:43.420 I think, and I'll ask him himself,

00:26:47.400 it's because he was too moderate, too progressive on the subject of Islam.

00:26:53.580 He then ran as a candidate for the People's Party of Canada.

00:26:56.680 You probably know who I'm talking about.

00:26:58.820 Our friend, Salim Mansour, who joins us now via Skype.

00:27:02.300 Salim, great to see you again.

00:27:03.480 Welcome back.

00:27:04.120 Thank you, Alas.

00:27:06.160 Nice to be back with you.

00:27:07.620 Well, you've had an eventful year.

00:27:09.720 I was thrilled when I heard you were seeking the nomination of the Conservative Party

00:27:13.660 because I think you would be such a resource for them

00:27:17.660 on the kind of progressive patriotic Islam

00:27:21.100 that Canada really needs as a bulwark

00:27:24.620 against radical Islam or jihadist Islam.

00:27:28.960 I was shocked when they turned you away.

00:27:32.080 What happened?

00:27:36.480 Yeah, I had my nomination paper submitted in 2018

00:27:44.260 after the provincial election in August 2018.

00:27:48.340 And they sat on that paper until June of 2019

00:27:54.000 when, with one sentence email,

00:27:59.680 the executive director,

00:28:01.940 I should now call him the former executive director

00:28:04.840 of the Conservative Party,

00:28:07.020 Dustin Van Vooke,

00:28:08.160 informed me

00:28:09.000 that I am disallowed from being a candidate

00:28:13.400 for the Conservative Party.

00:28:15.520 No explanation was given,

00:28:17.700 but I knew what it was all about

00:28:20.000 because I had been told

00:28:21.220 in a privately arranged

00:28:23.620 or very confidently arranged meeting

00:28:26.020 with Hamish Marshall in Toronto

00:28:28.880 at the Albany Club.

00:28:32.120 Hamish told me,

00:28:33.860 in fact, he gave me a walking order.

00:28:36.420 He ordered me

00:28:38.200 that I should

00:28:39.040 pull down my campaign

00:28:43.540 and close down my website

00:28:46.280 within 48 hours.

00:28:48.060 And the reason was that

00:28:51.100 they didn't want an Islamophobe

00:28:53.220 or somebody who would be

00:28:54.200 attacked as an Islamophobe

00:28:56.280 and be disruptive

00:28:59.060 to the campaign.

00:29:01.380 That's so insane

00:29:02.480 because, of course,

00:29:03.180 I know Hamish.

00:29:03.980 He used to be a director

00:29:05.160 of Rebel News.

00:29:06.140 He was our technical expert

00:29:09.000 that helped us found.

00:29:11.400 It's so odd for him,

00:29:13.320 and he went on to become

00:29:14.380 Andrew Scheer's campaign manager,

00:29:16.540 to...

00:29:18.060 insinuate that you,

00:29:19.380 a Muslim man,

00:29:20.320 are an Islamophobe.

00:29:22.240 That's chutzpah.

00:29:23.420 That is chutzpah.

00:29:24.840 And, you know,

00:29:25.540 and I'm not particularly

00:29:26.300 blaming Hamish

00:29:27.080 because I'm sure

00:29:27.840 he was there

00:29:29.060 not in his personal capacity

00:29:30.520 but rather that of the party

00:29:32.340 whose leader is Andrew Scheer.

00:29:34.500 This goes right to the top.

00:29:37.740 The Conservative Party of Canada

00:29:39.500 pushed you,

00:29:40.220 a progressive Muslim,

00:29:41.200 away

00:29:41.540 with the most absurd accusation

00:29:44.100 that you would be an Islamophobe.

00:29:45.620 I find that insane.

00:29:47.140 Yeah.

00:29:48.060 Well, Ezra,

00:29:50.640 I don't see myself

00:29:52.580 as quote-unquote

00:29:53.780 progressive.

00:29:55.160 I think that's the word

00:29:56.060 that you're using

00:29:56.840 and whoever wants to use it.

00:29:59.180 I have devoted my life,

00:30:01.060 at least since 9-11,

00:30:02.400 if not before,

00:30:03.180 but definitely since 9-11,

00:30:05.840 as an anti-Islamist Muslim.

00:30:08.980 Anti-Islamist.

00:30:09.940 The main body of Muslim organization,

00:30:16.940 pretty much 90% plus

00:30:20.860 of the mosque in North America,

00:30:23.840 the imam in North America,

00:30:26.400 both Sunni and Shia,

00:30:28.800 they are Islamist.

00:30:29.940 that means

00:30:30.960 that they are committed

00:30:32.780 to installing,

00:30:36.300 importing,

00:30:36.940 in whole or in part,

00:30:40.340 piecemeal by piecemeal,

00:30:42.960 the Sharia,

00:30:44.600 which is the Islamic law code,

00:30:48.160 fabricated by Muslims 1.00

00:30:50.900 in the 9th,

00:30:54.160 10th,

00:30:54.520 11th centuries,

00:30:56.480 to import that medieval,

00:31:00.840 pre-modern accord of law

00:31:04.320 into Canada

00:31:05.780 as they are struggling

00:31:06.760 to establish it

00:31:08.220 in the Muslim world,

00:31:10.420 which is the basic fight

00:31:11.880 that is taking place,

00:31:13.240 the fight against the Islamists,

00:31:16.220 that is the Muslim Brotherhood 0.66

00:31:17.460 and all its related organization

00:31:19.720 across the Middle East

00:31:21.380 and in the wider Muslim world,

00:31:23.660 Pakistan,

00:31:24.560 Indonesia,

00:31:25.340 et cetera,

00:31:26.480 or in the case of Iran,

00:31:29.160 the Shiite version 0.92

00:31:30.180 of the Sharia law.

00:31:32.580 And my struggle intellectually

00:31:35.540 has been

00:31:37.560 to oppose Islamism, 0.68

00:31:40.560 that this is

00:31:41.480 the fundamental obstacle

00:31:45.380 in the reform

00:31:47.220 of the Muslim world,

00:31:49.460 in the reform

00:31:50.140 of the Muslim world

00:31:50.920 in terms of

00:31:51.780 the transition

00:31:52.960 from a pre-modern world

00:31:55.400 to a modern world.

00:31:57.140 So that's what you mean

00:31:58.520 by anti-Islamist,

00:32:00.120 and I know that

00:32:00.760 because, of course,

00:32:01.460 I've followed your writings

00:32:02.660 for many years

00:32:04.460 in your books

00:32:04.980 and we've had you on the show.

00:32:07.120 I didn't know

00:32:08.880 that you had that private meeting

00:32:10.260 with Hamish

00:32:11.060 and he basically gave you

00:32:12.260 48 hours to clear out.

00:32:13.600 So I was,

00:32:15.520 I got to be candid,

00:32:16.980 I wasn't completely surprised

00:32:18.420 or shocked

00:32:18.940 but not surprised

00:32:20.020 if you can understand

00:32:21.020 what I mean.

00:32:22.060 I mean,

00:32:22.320 it was gross

00:32:23.340 what was done to you

00:32:24.200 but also predictable.

00:32:26.040 I later saw

00:32:27.240 Andrew Scheer

00:32:29.880 at a Muslim outreach

00:32:31.360 with exactly the folks

00:32:33.720 you just described.

00:32:35.760 In fact,

00:32:36.300 I recognized

00:32:37.180 one of the Muslim leaders,

00:32:39.340 Omar Subadar,

00:32:40.980 and I recognized him

00:32:42.660 because he is famous

00:32:44.080 for giving lectures

00:32:45.540 and writing scholarly works,

00:32:48.160 instructions for Muslims 1.00

00:32:49.700 in Canada

00:32:50.280 on the proper way

00:32:51.680 to beat their wives. 0.64

00:32:53.160 So I've studied

00:32:55.060 Omar Subadar.

00:32:56.020 So Andrew Scheer

00:32:57.540 has no time

00:32:58.500 for you,

00:32:59.640 a defender

00:33:00.600 of Canadian values

00:33:01.480 against Islamism. 0.74

00:33:04.240 You're anti-Islamist

00:33:06.400 but he had plenty

00:33:07.780 of time

00:33:08.240 for Omar Subadar

00:33:09.420 shown here

00:33:10.620 in this photo

00:33:11.360 who is a professional

00:33:13.520 wife-beating coach.

00:33:15.800 I thought

00:33:16.260 that was just

00:33:17.300 the depressing moment

00:33:19.900 of the campaign

00:33:20.620 for me,

00:33:21.560 one of many

00:33:22.080 depressing moments.

00:33:23.140 What did you think

00:33:23.820 of that?

00:33:25.580 Well,

00:33:25.980 absolutely,

00:33:28.020 Ezra.

00:33:29.600 I mean,

00:33:30.020 now,

00:33:30.600 I mean,

00:33:30.860 you can step back

00:33:32.440 and analyze

00:33:33.320 the situation.

00:33:34.420 I mean,

00:33:34.620 you know

00:33:35.160 and our relationship

00:33:36.600 go back

00:33:37.200 at least 20 years.

00:33:39.440 You were with

00:33:39.980 Stockwell Day.

00:33:41.600 I was a candidate

00:33:42.760 with Canadian Alliance.

00:33:44.180 My relationship

00:33:45.060 goes back

00:33:45.820 with the Conservative Party

00:33:47.520 to those reform years

00:33:49.780 and the transition

00:33:50.760 to the Unite the Right movement

00:33:52.880 and all of that.

00:33:53.820 many of us,

00:33:56.500 but I would say

00:33:57.260 about myself

00:33:58.040 and Muslims like me,

00:34:01.360 held out the possibility

00:34:02.740 and the hope

00:34:03.500 that the Conservative Party

00:34:05.540 will come to understanding

00:34:07.040 of what the main struggle is

00:34:10.340 in the 21st century,

00:34:13.100 especially after 9-11,

00:34:14.960 that brought home

00:34:16.380 the struggle

00:34:16.880 into North America,

00:34:18.420 what was happening

00:34:19.060 in Europe,

00:34:19.620 what was happening

00:34:20.180 in France

00:34:20.780 and Britain,

00:34:21.300 et cetera,

00:34:22.480 is between

00:34:23.260 the Muslim Brotherhood,

00:34:25.820 that is the Islamist organization,

00:34:28.300 and Muslims

00:34:29.580 who are opposed to it.

00:34:32.620 But

00:34:33.180 the money,

00:34:35.420 the organization,

00:34:36.680 the institutional weight

00:34:38.180 is with the Islamists, 0.91

00:34:40.740 with the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:34:41.820 and we were warning,

00:34:43.920 we were saying

00:34:44.580 that, you know,

00:34:45.060 you cannot accommodate

00:34:46.120 to this.

00:34:46.600 I remember,

00:34:47.660 Ezra,

00:34:48.600 when Harko was elected

00:34:50.400 in the first

00:34:52.000 minority government

00:34:53.440 in 2006,

00:34:55.080 he came into office

00:34:56.240 in the background

00:34:58.020 of the Toronto 18 story.

00:35:00.700 Do you recall that?

00:35:03.780 Toronto 18 was happening.

00:35:06.380 Right, right, right, right,

00:35:07.540 right, yeah.

00:35:08.000 And he got elected.

00:35:11.400 So we tried to warn them,

00:35:14.180 but now in retrospect,

00:35:16.300 I have come to the conclusion

00:35:17.980 that while the Liberal Party

00:35:20.260 is full Monty

00:35:22.880 with the Islamists,

00:35:24.640 in fact,

00:35:25.020 they have become

00:35:25.680 a total ally

00:35:27.520 of the Islamists 0.96

00:35:28.560 and the Muslim Brotherhood

00:35:29.880 organization,

00:35:31.180 the Conservative Party

00:35:33.080 is heading

00:35:34.280 not only in the same direction,

00:35:35.960 but simply wants to be

00:35:36.980 the other full Monty.

00:35:38.960 There is no difference 0.52

00:35:39.840 anymore

00:35:40.300 between the Conservative Party

00:35:42.100 and the Liberal Party.

00:35:44.300 And that's what

00:35:45.820 we have to understand,

00:35:47.300 I would argue,

00:35:48.580 where we are

00:35:49.300 in this country.

00:35:50.760 The main challenge

00:35:52.060 going forward,

00:35:54.260 and you saw that

00:35:55.440 in the UK election

00:35:57.880 this past week,

00:36:00.500 the Trump election

00:36:01.560 in 2016,

00:36:02.780 what's happening

00:36:03.320 in Europe,

00:36:04.280 is the two elephants

00:36:06.100 in the room

00:36:06.740 as I have described it,

00:36:08.320 globalism

00:36:09.100 and Islamism.

00:36:12.020 And the Conservative Party

00:36:14.060 is in total appeasement

00:36:16.580 of their forces,

00:36:18.120 globalism and Islamism.

00:36:19.340 It will not allow

00:36:20.240 anybody to talk about it

00:36:21.480 in their ranks.

00:36:23.680 And of course,

00:36:24.840 the Liberal Party

00:36:25.680 is in full alliance

00:36:28.060 and in complicity

00:36:29.700 with globalism

00:36:30.500 and Islamism.

00:36:31.580 And that's the struggle.

00:36:32.700 And that's the shame

00:36:34.280 of the situation

00:36:35.320 we are in.

00:36:36.980 That apart from PPC,

00:36:38.420 and I'm now,

00:36:39.600 you know,

00:36:39.980 glad that I am

00:36:40.980 with PPC,

00:36:42.400 apart from PPC,

00:36:43.580 there is no Conservative Party

00:36:45.160 in Canada,

00:36:45.920 a small-scale Conservative Party,

00:36:47.480 a party that understands

00:36:48.920 what the challenge is

00:36:50.780 globally,

00:36:52.180 in terms of globalism

00:36:53.120 and Islamism,

00:36:54.280 and what the challenge is

00:36:55.320 domestically

00:36:56.100 in Canada.

00:36:57.400 That is,

00:36:58.520 the rebalancing

00:36:59.580 of our federation,

00:37:01.500 the provincial-federal

00:37:02.480 relationship.

00:37:04.680 We have become

00:37:05.980 a unitary state,

00:37:08.020 a centralized state.

00:37:09.960 It's an authoritarian

00:37:11.280 prime minister.

00:37:12.780 This is not simply

00:37:13.640 a liberal prime minister.

00:37:15.340 Harper was no different.

00:37:17.720 We have a centralized government

00:37:19.800 and the results

00:37:21.780 we can see.

00:37:22.640 Well, let me ask you this,

00:37:23.600 because you say

00:37:24.680 there's no Conservative Party

00:37:25.900 in Canada,

00:37:26.480 but Andrew Scheer

00:37:27.960 has indicated

00:37:28.640 that he may step down.

00:37:30.180 Now, he's still

00:37:30.880 living in Stornoway,

00:37:32.960 he's still

00:37:33.520 getting the extra pay

00:37:35.360 that the leader

00:37:36.000 of the opposition gets,

00:37:36.800 he's still hiring

00:37:37.580 and firing, 0.99

00:37:38.660 so he is very much

00:37:39.700 still the leader.

00:37:41.360 But if he does

00:37:42.260 keep his promise

00:37:42.880 and resign,

00:37:44.580 there will be

00:37:45.520 a leadership race.

00:37:47.960 Do you have an opinion

00:37:48.820 on that race

00:37:49.700 and who should run in it?

00:37:51.940 Well, my opinion

00:37:52.680 is very simple.

00:37:54.140 Whoever becomes

00:37:55.180 the leader

00:37:55.700 will be pretty much

00:37:57.420 selected

00:37:58.000 by the people

00:37:59.400 who run

00:37:59.780 the Conservative Party,

00:38:01.360 the elite force,

00:38:03.100 and the Conservative Party

00:38:04.640 is the twiddled dumb

00:38:05.460 of the twiddled D,

00:38:06.640 the liberal.

00:38:07.960 I would put it

00:38:08.940 very bluntly,

00:38:10.600 Ezra,

00:38:11.720 the Conservative Party

00:38:12.780 is the spare wheel

00:38:14.000 in the contraption

00:38:15.300 of the Laurentian

00:38:16.800 establishment elite

00:38:18.120 that whenever

00:38:19.120 there's a problem

00:38:20.140 with the Liberal Party,

00:38:22.540 the natural governing

00:38:23.460 party of Canada,

00:38:25.000 for the last

00:38:25.780 century almost,

00:38:28.760 then the Laurentian elite

00:38:31.260 pulls up this

00:38:32.460 fair wheel

00:38:33.840 from the back trunk

00:38:35.460 of the contraction

00:38:37.260 and puts it in there

00:38:39.120 to go over the bump

00:38:41.920 where then they can

00:38:43.460 bring back the liberal.

00:38:44.740 We have to replace 0.55

00:38:46.420 the Conservative Party.

00:38:48.520 We have to replace 0.55

00:38:50.340 them with a true

00:38:51.980 Conservative Party,

00:38:53.900 a small...

00:38:54.400 Well, I would put it

00:38:55.280 to you, Salim.

00:38:56.300 And that's the challenge

00:38:57.720 that Canadians face. 0.50

00:38:59.000 Exactly what happened

00:39:00.160 in England

00:39:00.620 with Boris Johnson.

00:39:02.480 He had to clean up

00:39:03.500 the Conservative Party.

00:39:04.620 Right, but he did it

00:39:05.320 from within the Conservative Party.

00:39:06.700 I mean, he went

00:39:07.540 from an outsider

00:39:10.060 to an insider.

00:39:10.980 He purged

00:39:11.640 the Remainers

00:39:13.760 from the caucus.

00:39:15.680 He had a bold campaign

00:39:17.160 and he won.

00:39:18.420 So he didn't start

00:39:19.260 a new party.

00:39:20.100 He took over

00:39:20.960 an ancient party

00:39:22.680 that under Theresa May

00:39:24.320 was just awful.

00:39:26.420 So maybe there is hope,

00:39:28.240 but I think it depends.

00:39:29.920 No, I see.

00:39:31.420 I see.

00:39:31.920 I know.

00:39:32.620 I understand

00:39:33.340 your position, Ezra.

00:39:35.700 You are in a different situation.

00:39:38.600 I am analyzing for you

00:39:40.100 by stepping back

00:39:41.700 and looking historically

00:39:43.240 and objectively.

00:39:44.320 Right.

00:39:44.540 The hope was there

00:39:45.320 when we had

00:39:46.420 the Unite the Right movement

00:39:47.860 and we got

00:39:49.800 the Conservative Party

00:39:50.960 constructed, established

00:39:53.600 by bringing

00:39:54.540 the Canadian Alliance

00:39:55.580 and the Progressive Conservatives.

00:39:58.140 But the Harper decade

00:39:59.240 was a wasted decade.

00:40:00.680 What we can now say

00:40:02.140 very clearly, Ezra,

00:40:04.640 that Harper was

00:40:05.520 the spare wheel

00:40:06.320 between the collapsing,

00:40:09.160 scandal-lurden

00:40:11.580 Jacques-Rétien government

00:40:13.340 with AdScam

00:40:14.380 and Schwanigan

00:40:15.260 and all of that

00:40:16.260 in the 1990s.

00:40:18.420 He handed it over

00:40:19.480 to try to do

00:40:20.920 an internal house cleaning

00:40:22.460 by handing it over

00:40:23.360 to Paul Martin

00:40:24.320 and Paul Martin

00:40:25.340 could not save

00:40:26.420 the party

00:40:27.460 and the party

00:40:28.460 went down.

00:40:29.220 The spare wheel

00:40:29.820 was necessary.

00:40:31.360 Harper was the spare wheel.

00:40:33.700 Can you think about

00:40:35.460 any single

00:40:36.920 legislative achievement

00:40:39.540 of the Harper decade

00:40:41.840 that stand out

00:40:43.620 as a conservative achievement?

00:40:45.560 I can't think about anything.

00:40:49.060 Well, I suppose

00:40:51.260 I would answer that

00:40:52.140 in the negative

00:40:53.060 by saying

00:40:53.600 what we didn't have.

00:40:55.080 We didn't have

00:40:55.820 a national unity crisis.

00:40:57.300 We didn't have

00:40:58.220 a despairing oil patch.

00:41:01.340 We didn't have

00:41:02.000 a falling apart

00:41:05.480 foreign policy

00:41:06.740 from India

00:41:07.320 to China

00:41:07.880 to Saudi Arabia

00:41:08.720 to America.

00:41:09.520 So I would say

00:41:10.820 more

00:41:11.760 it was the disasters

00:41:13.220 we didn't have.

00:41:14.900 Well, this is Slim.

00:41:15.480 I got to tell you

00:41:16.040 it's great to catch up

00:41:16.980 with you.

00:41:17.220 I love that you're

00:41:17.800 burning with fire.

00:41:19.040 I hope we can get you

00:41:19.940 on the show again

00:41:20.820 maybe even doing commentaries.

00:41:22.580 I know you were doing

00:41:23.080 some of that stuff

00:41:23.880 before you ran for office.

00:41:25.960 2020 is almost here

00:41:27.380 and I hope that

00:41:28.260 it'll be a year

00:41:28.960 where you weigh in

00:41:29.920 because you got a lot

00:41:30.800 to say.

00:41:31.760 You fight hard.

00:41:33.120 We love you

00:41:34.040 and we'll never

00:41:34.960 blacklist you, 0.61

00:41:35.800 my friend.

00:41:36.200 You're always welcome

00:41:36.780 here at the Rebel.

00:41:37.800 It's the same feeling

00:41:38.900 right here, Ezra.

00:41:40.240 I want to wish you

00:41:41.020 a happy Hanukkah,

00:41:41.980 you and your family

00:41:42.860 and all the best

00:41:45.860 for the news

00:41:46.380 for this holiday season.

00:41:48.900 And yeah,

00:41:49.280 I look forward

00:41:49.840 to talking with you

00:41:51.040 about this matter

00:41:52.240 and more.

00:41:53.040 Right on.

00:41:53.960 Well, thank you,

00:41:54.680 my friend.

00:41:55.260 Best of the season

00:41:56.040 to you.

00:41:56.600 May you go from

00:41:57.140 strength to strength.

00:41:58.540 You're one of our

00:41:59.260 kind of people.

00:41:59.900 I'll tell you that.

00:42:00.700 We like how you fight,

00:42:01.940 my friend.

00:42:02.440 You speak plainly.

00:42:03.820 You take care of yourself.

00:42:05.740 Thank you, sir.

00:42:06.360 All right.

00:42:06.820 There you have it.

00:42:07.620 Salim Mansour,

00:42:08.920 professor,

00:42:09.720 former candidate

00:42:10.380 for the PPC

00:42:11.520 and disqualified candidate

00:42:14.500 for the Conservative Party

00:42:16.100 of Canada.

00:42:16.620 Stay with us.

00:42:17.420 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:42:27.260 Hey, what do you think

00:42:28.240 of my review

00:42:28.940 of Chinese tech?

00:42:30.060 It was very superficial,

00:42:31.100 I grant you that.

00:42:32.320 But so many of the apps

00:42:34.480 that are actually

00:42:35.220 in use in China,

00:42:36.660 which will probably

00:42:37.620 be here in Canada

00:42:38.480 and the United States

00:42:39.240 in months,

00:42:40.820 years if not months.

00:42:45.600 They're fun

00:42:46.400 and they're ways

00:42:47.860 to spend money

00:42:48.520 and maybe ways

00:42:49.080 to earn money,

00:42:49.980 but there's no such thing

00:42:50.960 as privacy anymore.

00:42:53.260 And I think it's turning

00:42:55.360 invasions of privacy

00:42:57.300 into a game.

00:42:59.380 A lot of games.

00:43:00.720 I mean,

00:43:01.160 if you read the terms

00:43:02.200 of service

00:43:02.740 of, say, Instagram,

00:43:04.320 it gives a non-exclusive

00:43:07.560 license to Instagram

00:43:08.880 to use your photo

00:43:11.460 for whatever they want.

00:43:13.920 So when you upload a photo,

00:43:15.640 when you take a video

00:43:16.500 of yourself,

00:43:17.400 you're giving the tech company

00:43:19.120 the right to use that

00:43:20.740 in any way they like.

00:43:24.640 What if the way they like

00:43:26.060 is in cahoots

00:43:27.340 with the government,

00:43:28.640 the police?

00:43:29.920 We're in very dangerous

00:43:31.000 places now

00:43:32.000 and I'm not sure

00:43:33.500 if there's anyone

00:43:34.160 who's properly on guard.

00:43:36.500 That's our show for today.

00:43:37.620 Until tomorrow,

00:43:38.680 on behalf of all of us

00:43:39.660 here at Rebel World

00:43:40.320 headquarters,

00:43:40.880 good night

00:43:41.240 and keep fighting for freedom.

00:43:42.840 ...

00:43:44.700 to meet you.

00:43:47.440 Be haze

00:43:47.920 in cahoots

00:43:48.660 какой

00:43:48.960 we're in cahoots

00:43:49.840 and we use it to make a vide

00:43:54.260 toilleurs

00:43:55.420 the free

00:43:56.740 .

Rebel News Podcast - December 19, 2019

China's high tech spying and trade zone control points can only aim at world domination

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