Rebel News Podcast - Ezra interviews Alex Jones

00:00:00.000 Well, have I got a podcast for you today, my friends. I went down to Austin, Texas

00:00:04.320 to sit down with Alex Jones, the boss of InfoWars, the most banned pundit in America.

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00:00:36.580 eight bucks a month. And you can get it at premium.rebelnews.com. Okay, here's my conversation

00:00:41.800 with Alex Jones.

00:00:53.900 Tonight, I sit down with America's most censored pundit, a candid talk with a controversial

00:01:04.140 man, Alex Jones. It's December 19th, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:11.360 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:14.880 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:18.780 Alex Jones is a meme. That is, he's a symbol. He's an idea. People can project their own

00:01:38.320 views onto him like a Rorschach test. His gravelly voice. His universal skepticism. His alternative

00:01:46.460 takes. Until about a year ago, he was one of the biggest journalists in America. Literally

00:01:52.560 millions of followers on YouTube and many more on other social media, too. He was edgy. So

00:02:00.780 when Donald Trump appeared on his broadcast in 2016, it startled the Republican establishment

00:02:07.260 and indeed the media establishment. Was Trump crazy? Was Jones crazy? Well, yeah, crazy like 0.84

00:02:14.380 a fox. Both men understood what the fancy people didn't, that an enormous number of severely normal 0.96

00:02:21.260 people are fed up with the political biases of the mainstream media. Not just their substance, but

00:02:27.020 their tone and condescending style. No one trusts the mainstream media anymore. Few even watch them

00:02:34.660 anymore. They're part of the establishment, and Trump and Jones were anti-establishment.

00:02:40.160 Well, Jones was chosen as the example to be set, the precedent to be set. You can't be that defiant,

00:02:48.020 that dissident with impunity. So he was banned by everyone from YouTube to Apple to Facebook,

00:02:55.720 all coincidentally on the very same day. But he's still around, trying to connect directly with his

00:03:02.180 audience that has surely been cut deeply by his deplatforming. And his finances have been cut,

00:03:08.500 too. He's been deplatformed by payment processors. They're trying to un-person him. Why? And who will be

00:03:16.040 next? I met with Jones yesterday in his Austin, Texas studio, and spent an hour with him one-on-one.

00:03:22.940 Watch it, and let me know what you think. Who's the bigger danger? This man, or Silicon Valley

00:03:30.040 billionaires with the power to censor him?

00:03:32.360 It's nice to be in your world headquarters here. It's a pretty big operation.

00:03:37.900 Well, thank you, my friend. We've been fighting down here in Texas for 25 years.

00:03:42.040 You know, I think a lot of people think they know Alex Jones, but whenever I press them on it,

00:03:47.580 all they know is maybe a few selected highlights that are exaggerated or edited in some...

00:03:54.360 You know, to make a particular point, a guy's on TV for 20 years, you can put together a medley

00:04:02.820 that may not be representative. 0.92

00:04:04.040 Things like gay frogs or... 1.00

00:04:06.040 Yeah. So is that Alex Jones? 0.98

00:04:08.940 It is. It's things I've done. I've taken it out of context.

00:04:13.160 One of the most famous things is, like, four years ago, they were doing pre-trial on a custody

00:04:18.580 battle for my children, which I do have full custody of right now.

00:04:20.920 And the media says, I lost my kids. It's just more fake news.

00:04:24.240 But my ex-wife, you know, God love her, she was going to use a clip of me as the Joker 0.99

00:04:29.900 from, like, 10 years ago, yelling and screaming and saying wild things. 0.88

00:04:34.200 And she said, look, he's crazy. He's the Joker. 0.86

00:04:36.660 My lawyer said, no, he's playing the part of the Joker. He's being an actor.

00:04:40.700 Well, of course, when I was being the Joker, I was being an actor.

00:04:43.240 This is Alex Jones, what I really say, what I really believe. 0.85

00:04:45.500 But if I'm doing satire, that I'm dressed up like Geronimo Frost, the gay frog, 1.00

00:04:51.880 then I'm not really a gay frog. That's called satire, a joke. 0.94

00:04:55.200 Same thing with the Joker.

00:04:57.140 Then the media spun it and said, Alex Jones admits he's a performance artist and it's all an act.

00:05:03.300 But then they never say where I said that.

00:05:05.360 No. When I was doing the Joker part, that was a joke.

00:05:09.040 Just like when I was Cobra Commander or something else.

00:05:11.380 So they cherry pick those things and try to create that deception to say that I'm inauthentic

00:05:16.820 like Brian Williams or Hillary Clinton or the establishment.

00:05:20.260 So that's what they're scared of is the populist authenticity.

00:05:24.140 They're always attacking the authenticity.

00:05:26.120 We're teleprompter free.

00:05:27.580 I don't have somebody on high like NBC News or CNN telling me what the agenda is.

00:05:32.240 We didn't have a pre-discussion before we're doing your show.

00:05:35.380 We didn't have a pre-discussion before you did mine.

00:05:37.300 I said, what are some topics? That was it.

00:05:39.520 So this isn't scripted.

00:05:41.020 It is authentic.

00:05:42.720 It is real.

00:05:44.180 And 99% of the time I'm being deadly serious.

00:05:47.020 If I'm dressed up again like the Joker or like a lizard man, it's a joke.

00:05:52.760 Well, and the left never has to explain it.

00:05:55.240 Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, these are communicators, but they're entertainers.

00:06:01.020 They're very political, but they tell jokes.

00:06:03.520 And no one says, hey, I saw you on Saturday Night Live and you played this role.

00:06:07.620 I think there's a double stack.

00:06:09.180 Gavin McInnes, who used to work with The Rebel, the same thing.

00:06:12.180 But there's a lot of Gavin McInnes wannabes on the left and no one ever says, well, hang on, you can't say certain things because that's too silly or too funny.

00:06:22.480 I think it's only when conservatives strike a chord that gets to people through entertainment that the left says, whoa, whoa, whoa, you stay out of our turf. 0.95

00:06:31.260 You're right, the left plays dumb and goes, oh, my gosh, you know, you're really serious. 0.89

00:06:37.760 You believe reptiles run the earth. 0.99

00:06:40.020 And I'm like, no, that's David Icke.

00:06:41.460 I did one joke piece with a gore from Star Trek mask on joking about lizards running things.

00:06:48.220 And they ran that in the national news saying, look, Alex Jones believes lizards run things.

00:06:53.140 And he dressed up like one. 0.75

00:06:54.400 So, yes, they're deceiving their viewers.

00:06:56.620 They're deceiving their viewers.

00:06:58.080 At least they're trying to by taking things we say in jest out of context.

00:07:03.240 But more and more, I don't really do the comedy stuff anymore.

00:07:06.180 Even though it's fun, I enjoy doing it because they always take it out of context.

00:07:10.600 So now I'm 99% of the time very serious.

00:07:14.380 Our side needs happy warriors, though.

00:07:17.000 I mean, if you're taking on the establishment, if you're taking on the power, you've got to if there's a risk that you could actually become sour.

00:07:25.620 And despair.

00:07:28.460 I think conservatives need to be jokey more.

00:07:31.840 What do you think of that?

00:07:33.120 Oh, I agree.

00:07:35.100 It's just that particularly with myself, when I did do the satire bits and the joke bits, they always took them out of context and then misrepresented them.

00:07:42.600 So I kind of cut back on it.

00:07:44.060 But I'm realizing that those memes that went so viral are what brought people to the show.

00:07:48.860 They find out what we're really doing in the main.

00:07:50.940 And so it's a good thing.

00:07:51.740 So I do intend in 2020, it's just a few days away, to try to bring a lot more of the satire and jokes back in.

00:07:57.940 But I'm going to have disclaimers.

00:07:59.840 You know, we're friends with Tommy Robinson.

00:08:03.140 I know you've interviewed him, too.

00:08:05.300 And he's deplatformed.

00:08:07.740 He used to have a million subscribers on Twitter, a million on Facebook.

00:08:12.620 They very much limited his YouTube page, and they've thrown him in prison twice since I've known him.

00:08:19.200 But even he has not been as deplatformed as you are.

00:08:24.760 He still has a hard-to-get-to-YouTube page.

00:08:27.780 He's still, you know, his book, one of his books is still sold on Amazon.

00:08:32.520 Why are you literally the most deplatformed man in America, more even than Tommy Robinson?

00:08:42.020 Well, the Democrats have talked about why.

00:08:44.620 They've had congressional hearings in the House and Senate saying Alex Jones is a Russian agent with no proof.

00:08:48.580 I can't face my accusers.

00:08:50.000 We've got to silence him to, quote, save American democracy.

00:08:52.840 That's a quote.

00:08:53.380 What do they say is the risk?

00:08:55.500 Is there something in particular?

00:08:56.800 Like, you mentioned the gay frogs thing, which is sort of funny, and the joker. 1.00

00:09:00.680 That's funny.

00:09:01.520 But surely they're not afraid of that.

00:09:03.280 No, what they're afraid of is they say that I got Trump elected, which really I didn't.

00:09:07.140 But we helped energize a populist movement that had a big effect.

00:09:12.640 And so they saw that as easy to target, set the president for censorship, build a straw man on Alex Jones, destroy him.

00:09:22.700 And then everybody else will basically stand by and let us set the precedent.

00:09:27.460 And so that was formulaic.

00:09:28.820 And now in the last two years since that happened, people now really see that it has been systematic.

00:09:33.980 We're now even Trump would try to run Facebook ads saying we're looking for strong women. 1.00

00:09:38.000 And they said, oh, people might be seeing this that aren't women. 1.00

00:09:41.440 I mean, we're now entering, you know, the real cult of the universities, the real cult of the left being externalized into the general public.

00:09:49.940 And it's obviously causing a huge backlash.

00:09:52.800 People are rejecting it just to see how nightmarish it is.

00:09:55.880 But for those of us that were deplatformed up front, it's really just to see I told you so.

00:10:00.680 And a question of what are we going to do against Islam, radical Orthodox Islam that wants to control speech and destroy what the West has guarded? 0.99

00:10:09.220 What do we do about the EU that's authoritarian and the new Soviet Union trying to crush free speech? 0.51

00:10:13.160 What do we do about Hollywood joining together with the dinosaur media, the establishment media to try to silence us?

00:10:18.480 What are we going to do?

00:10:19.900 Because the general public is being silenced.

00:10:22.260 And for the first time ever, they have AI algorithms that can block what you say and what you do in live time.

00:10:28.420 And so total information awareness is becoming total information control.

00:10:33.760 I remember when you were unpersoned.

00:10:36.680 And what strikes me the most about that is that every platform deplatformed you on the same day.

00:10:46.460 Coordinate.

00:10:47.600 YouTube, Twitter, Facebook.

00:10:50.180 They even took down your Pinterest, your Instagram, your LinkedIn page, if I'm not mistaken.

00:10:55.300 And how did all those purportedly separate companies, you would even call them competitors, how did they all come to the same identical conclusion on the same day?

00:11:08.760 Well, that's really it.

00:11:10.220 At first, Tim Cook was proud of it.

00:11:12.860 Apple, supposedly biggest company in the world or in the top three, depending on which day of the week it is on the stock market.

00:11:19.020 And he got upset.

00:11:21.200 He has these Sunday meetings where he gets on the phone with the other tech leaders, five or six of them.

00:11:25.640 And they made the decision that Sunday night that he platformed me.

00:11:29.520 The directives went out.

00:11:31.060 And my phone started ringing and buzzing.

00:11:33.700 I don't normally wake up.

00:11:34.760 But I had left it plugged in over on the counter by the bed.

00:11:38.560 And it was Alex Jones banned off of Facebook, Alex Jones banned off of YouTube, Alex Jones banned off all these other platforms.

00:11:51.700 And it was a concerted cartel effort to silence me.

00:11:59.920 And again, people said, oh, my God, it's terrible.

00:12:02.080 It's happening to you.

00:12:02.680 I knew that they were just setting the presence to do that.

00:12:05.560 Later, they tried to deny it.

00:12:07.660 Tim Cook told Vice News that, oh, you know, it wasn't concerted.

00:12:11.580 I just led with it.

00:12:12.500 But they had admitted earlier that they basically concerted it.

00:12:15.440 And then about a year later, when I said that it looked like Biden had another stroke, was having trouble speaking about six months ago, they said, well, now you can't say Alex Jones's name unless it's negative or will de-platform you.

00:12:29.700 And so that was that AI-level control, like Apple saying you can't send out Taiwanese emojis or Hong Kong flags emojis.

00:12:37.380 I mean, that's that level where you can't send out Winnie the Pooh on Chinese servers or you'll get arrested.

00:12:43.600 That's the level of whatever the dictators don't like.

00:12:46.780 Winnie the Pooh, Alex Jones.

00:12:48.880 And now they're trying to de-platform the NRA.

00:12:51.020 You know, even Tommy Robinson's face, you just have an image of his face on Facebook and it's suspended or taken down.

00:13:00.060 I find that terrifying.

00:13:02.800 What was the express or explicit or official reason?

00:13:07.500 I mean, Facebook said this year, and they also said you may not show his photo.

00:13:11.660 This is a press release.

00:13:12.380 What was the reason they said to you?

00:13:13.580 So you've got, let's say, six or 10 or 12 companies all the same day saying you're out, but they each have slightly different terms of service.

00:13:20.960 I would imagine you do slightly different things.

00:13:23.200 They all said I was a dangerous individual.

00:13:25.200 But did they define that?

00:13:26.480 Were you allowed to appeal that?

00:13:28.120 Did you appeal that?

00:13:29.080 Did you have any human contact with them?

00:13:30.820 No, they just announced on national news.

00:13:33.060 Did you have like an executive you ever dealt with?

00:13:35.920 Like, did you talk to a real human?

00:13:37.680 No.

00:13:37.900 Well, years ago, we had like 5 billion views on YouTube.

00:13:44.440 They had like a vice president of YouTube call up, and we had a liaison, and they sent us little awards and plaques and things.

00:13:51.300 And they were trying to, you know, work with us on things.

00:13:55.400 That was back when they were more libertarian.

00:13:57.360 Once Hillary lost, they realized, well, people are really listening to this.

00:14:01.600 And so the political pressure was put on them to shut us down.

00:14:03.840 And then again, six months ago, documents were released to the Business Insider and others where they had come to Facebook and said, Alex Jones is allowing anti-Semitic posts.

00:14:18.080 And Facebook went in, because these documents were released, and it was all these internal managers' discussions on this, like, group forum that they had internally.

00:14:26.320 And people can go read this online, and they had online, you know, well, private line discussions in those forums about, but we actually went.

00:14:35.380 This is an article about something totally different, and it has to be 30% of the comments have to be, you know, racist or whatever.

00:14:43.020 But you don't produce those comments.

00:14:45.140 That's what I'm saying.

00:14:45.700 It was comments.

00:14:47.120 And so Facebook said, we're not going to hold you accountable for comments.

00:14:50.980 Anybody can go put those on there and get you banned.

00:14:52.420 And so then somebody leaked those to the press and said, look, Facebook's not, you know, doing anything about all this stuff.

00:14:59.200 They were talking about subpages that were promoting our stuff.

00:15:01.320 And so I got punished for what comments were.

00:15:04.340 And they said, I mean, I know it doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to, but it's very 1984.

00:15:08.120 It's very Kafkaesque that they said, okay, we're just going to ban all this content on the thing system-wide, even though that wasn't my page.

00:15:19.640 They were saying, I was guilty for a page that wasn't mine, that wasn't even racist or, you know, anti-whatever comments in it were.

00:15:28.160 So then by extrapolation, it said, I am the highest level dangerous person, along with Louis Farrakhan, Paul Joseph Watson, of all people, and Gavin McGinnis.

00:15:38.540 He was also put on that list.

00:15:39.540 And it said also because I interviewed Gavin, who had founded the Proud Boys, it said by giving him a voice, I had given fascists a voice.

00:15:49.760 So like Antifa was writing this.

00:15:51.120 Well, let me ask you this.

00:15:52.300 I mean, in the past, I mean, I grew up in Canada, but we heard about the ACLU.

00:15:56.740 And even as a kid, I knew that one of their legal tactics was to defend the Ku Klux Klan, and they would send a lawyer who was Jewish or black to make the point, we don't agree with the Klan, but we know that we have to fight for free speech in the first ditch because it's easier than the last ditch.

00:16:18.800 You've got the ACLU, you've got Amnesty International, Penn International, Reporters Without Borders, and you've got conservative public interest law firms too.

00:16:29.120 Did any legal group, did any internet group come to your aid?

00:16:36.160 Basically, no.

00:16:37.240 And so what you're having is a capitulation by the supposed liberal establishment who had always celebrated that they were the defenders of free speech.

00:16:44.780 Which, as you said, I may disagree with you 100%, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

00:16:52.720 What would they say, the ACLU?

00:16:56.200 I mean, have you had any interactions with civil liberties groups?

00:16:59.540 I mean, I don't watch a lot of your stuff.

00:17:02.600 Some of it's funny, some is smart, some I agree with, some I don't.

00:17:05.920 So what?

00:17:06.900 None of it comes even close, in my own layman's view, to be legally problematic, let alone that objectionable.

00:17:16.400 I mean, that's my own view.

00:17:17.580 But what did the ACLU say?

00:17:19.020 Like, they defend literal Nazis. 0.78

00:17:22.600 Why would they not defend you, who's a spicy commentator?

00:17:26.940 Because Soros and the left and others have bought off the ACLU on record, and again, you're asking why this happened.

00:17:34.640 It happened because we were popular, just like they targeted your system in Canada because it was popular.

00:17:40.320 And so they wanted it shut down because we were building a pro-America populist movement that was inclusive.

00:17:47.640 I don't care if you're old or young, a man, a woman, black or white. 0.55

00:17:52.200 I'm a conservative, but I don't hate people that are gay.

00:17:56.040 I just don't want anybody targeting children or promoting those lifestyles of children, whether they're heterosexual or homosexual. 1.00

00:18:01.300 It's not their place to do that.

00:18:02.620 And so the fact that I had a big tent, kind of nationalist, populist, Americana, love affair type show,

00:18:09.480 and was just exposing the left's bullying and their trampling,

00:18:12.820 and it was resonating with people all across the country and the world of different stripes who all were agreeing,

00:18:19.900 hey, we like classical liberalism, which, again, would be called paleoconservatism.

00:18:24.840 I mean, none of these terms mean anything now because they've changed what all the terms stand for.

00:18:28.740 But we're really dealing with leftist, fascist authoritarianism,

00:18:32.160 and they were very threatened by us building a multimedia infrastructure that's on radio and commercial TV

00:18:39.020 and that had its own popular websites, which we still have, and that was dominating the trends of the charts.

00:18:45.580 I mean, we were on the app on Apple.

00:18:50.740 We had several apps on there.

00:18:52.280 And it was already the number one news app against CNN and The New York Times.

00:18:57.060 It had over 5 million people that had downloaded it.

00:18:59.640 And we had just launched it three or four months, the new app before the banning.

00:19:06.320 And that was left up and went from in the top of the news to trending.

00:19:13.360 If we kept growing, we would have been number one within a few months, period.

00:19:19.880 Of all apps.

00:19:20.780 But now, obviously, that's because they had banned us everywhere.

00:19:23.640 Right, so that was the only place.

00:19:24.840 And so it created this big, huge surge, so they had to even go in and take that away.

00:19:29.880 And then CNN had news articles and talked about Oliver Darcy and the rest of them.

00:19:36.140 Well, Alex Jones, he might be using Facebook's messenger app.

00:19:43.640 And so they went in and looked at it, and we weren't using that.

00:19:45.940 So then they wanted to take away private messaging from me.

00:19:49.260 So really, this is the Chinese social score, the communist Chinese social score,

00:19:53.260 coming right down to the ground.

00:19:54.640 They're just bringing it in, saying, we're testing it on Laura Loomer and Alex Jones and Gavin McInnes right now.

00:20:01.200 You know what, Oliver Darcy, I know he's a media critic,

00:20:05.420 but basically you've identified something that I've seen a lot of in the last five years,

00:20:10.060 which is activists whose goal is de-platform Alex Jones, de-platform Gavin, de-platform Rebel News.

00:20:18.860 But they style themselves as a reporter.

00:20:21.740 But they're really on a mission to censor others.

00:20:25.500 I don't even call it journalism.

00:20:27.240 They're anti-journalists.

00:20:28.680 They don't want to report.

00:20:31.000 They don't want to even debate.

00:20:32.420 They want to de-platform cancel culture.

00:20:35.020 And it was done very strategically.

00:20:36.860 Oliver Darcy and Humpty Dumpty guy, Brian Stelter, they would talk about me every week on their shows.

00:20:45.440 And they went through the YouTube sponsors.

00:20:49.720 And someone inside gave them a list of even geolocated hundreds of sponsors.

00:20:54.840 And if the Pentagon was running an ad, which I've got a lot of, you know, 16 to 24-year-olds listening,

00:21:02.860 that's a smart place to advertise for the Pentagon.

00:21:04.680 They went and bitched till those Pentagon ads weren't bought. 1.00

00:21:07.240 It wasn't even that much money, except they went through every sponsor we had

00:21:11.460 and would call them up and say, we're going to do a story on you supporting Alex Jones,

00:21:14.900 trying to hurt your brand.

00:21:16.280 So they would pull off YouTube.

00:21:17.740 And they got hundreds to pull off.

00:21:19.580 They contacted hundreds.

00:21:20.860 They got a list from somebody internally to do it.

00:21:25.620 So once it was all lined up, they could then call for Alex Jones to be taken down,

00:21:30.620 and it would actually happen.

00:21:32.320 So it's really racketeering.

00:21:32.860 It's racketeering.

00:21:33.600 It's organized crime.

00:21:35.320 And then when I saw Oliver Darcy in the halls of Congress, he's a man.

00:21:39.680 He's a reporter.

00:21:40.580 He's in America.

00:21:41.600 He's done this to me.

00:21:42.680 He's bragged about it. 0.95

00:21:43.920 He said, I'm a horrible virus that deserves to be taken off everything. 0.99

00:21:46.960 And I said, how dare you, you un-American. 1.00

00:21:48.640 You're so dangerous. 1.00

00:21:49.960 You're such a fascist. 1.00

00:21:51.680 Twitter said, well, that's it. 1.00

00:21:53.660 They were the last one to ban me.

00:21:55.000 It was like two months after the ban last August, so in like October.

00:21:58.840 And they said he bullied Oliver Darcy.

00:22:04.780 So I'd been legitimately stalked and bullied and really targeted out of the marketplace,

00:22:12.620 you know, something that the communists and the Nazis actually did to their political enemies.

00:22:16.060 And this guy who I catch in the hallway lined up to go into that meeting, I talked to him, and he won't talk back or respond.

00:22:26.020 And then they de-platformed me off Twitter that I dared confront him.

00:22:31.780 You know, one of the things that's most frustrating that Tommy Robinson tells me is that since he's been de-platformed,

00:22:39.660 people can malign him, defame him, and there's just no way for him to fight back.

00:22:44.060 He says at least before people, when they smeared him, he could take to Twitter and Facebook,

00:22:49.020 and a million of his friends would know the truth about him.

00:22:51.860 Now it's almost like his hand at times behind his back, he's gagged, and anyone can just walk up to him and flick him,

00:22:58.160 and he doesn't even have a way to fight back.

00:23:00.840 That's what I discovered.

00:23:02.160 And again, I'm not up here complaining.

00:23:04.040 I'm glad you brought up the subject because it's the blueprint of this oppression that's meant for everybody.

00:23:09.000 So it's Alex Jones and Tommy Robinson today.

00:23:11.020 It's you tomorrow.

00:23:12.140 I mean, it really does work like that.

00:23:14.380 First they come for this group, then they come for that group.

00:23:16.160 It's a formula of the totalitarian tiptoe.

00:23:19.120 But once they get it going, it's a mad rush.

00:23:22.040 And so once they de-platform you, they can then say the most outrageous lies that are 100% not true,

00:23:31.860 and you can't respond, and then it's just a feeding frenzy.

00:23:35.420 And there's many, many examples.

00:23:36.300 And then they rebrand you, and then no one can even find out the truth

00:23:39.360 because the only words out there are those of your critics.

00:23:43.480 That's exactly what's going on.

00:23:45.060 And that's why when listeners and viewers out there on the Internet find their old clips, repost them,

00:23:50.660 people get to really see what's gone and what's happened.

00:23:54.080 And what they've done to me has failed.

00:23:56.560 People are smarter than that.

00:23:57.660 They've seen through it, just like the impeachment.

00:23:59.400 People see through that this isn't due process.

00:24:01.200 This is abusive.

00:24:02.100 And they've gone so far that the bullying is really evident.

00:24:06.060 But for the millions of Trump supporters and nationalists and patriots that are being blocked offline,

00:24:11.660 that are being shut down, that are being silenced,

00:24:15.020 the little guy is the one that really is losing their voice.

00:24:20.920 And it's very, very scary.

00:24:23.960 And, I mean, stuff like Alex Jones says there's slave colonies on Mars.

00:24:27.920 I never talked about Mars.

00:24:29.540 Didn't talk about slave colonies.

00:24:30.840 Don't believe there's slave colonies.

00:24:31.960 That's other people saying that.

00:24:34.600 They'd be like Art Bell.

00:24:35.660 Rest in peace.

00:24:37.140 Great talk shows.

00:24:38.120 Great storyteller.

00:24:39.620 But that's not the case.

00:24:41.880 But, I mean, even bigger lies.

00:24:43.500 Like, Alex Jones loses lawsuit for the book, Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.

00:24:48.380 I was not in that lawsuit.

00:24:49.780 I didn't write that book.

00:24:51.080 I've never read that book.

00:24:52.460 My lawyers have read it.

00:24:53.680 There's only a few copies have read it.

00:24:54.880 I'm not in it.

00:24:55.980 They ran that in the Wall Street Journal.

00:24:57.660 They ran that in Market Watch.

00:24:59.140 And we called them and said, please retract it.

00:25:00.840 They said, go ahead and sue us. 0.55

00:25:02.160 We don't care.

00:25:03.260 Listen, I think it's funny.

00:25:04.520 So they're allowed to lie about us.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:07.540 I think the eeriest thing that happened to you, from my point of view, is that when your

00:25:15.520 podcasts, if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong, when you were banned from uploading

00:25:20.300 new podcasts, all right, but they went back historically and deleted everything you had

00:25:26.380 done, your whole portfolio, your whole history.

00:25:29.860 That's straight out of 1984, where-

00:25:34.540 They airbrushed the photo.

00:25:35.400 Yeah.

00:25:36.400 Let's go back, change the historical record, clip out the newspaper headline, glue in a

00:25:42.300 new one, and pretend it never even happened.

00:25:44.860 Like, to me, it's one thing to ban a guy, to punish a guy.

00:25:47.220 That's a trouble in itself.

00:25:49.040 But leave their work there.

00:25:50.120 But to say, I mean, they don't-

00:25:52.180 Here's an example.

00:25:53.020 They don't erase speeches of Stalin or Hitler.

00:25:55.600 They're an example of something bad.

00:25:56.680 They would let Charlie Manson on NBC News or ABC News to say, as long as we agree with

00:26:01.780 him.

00:26:02.180 Exactly.

00:26:02.680 They have to erase who I was so they can build the new straw man, and they steal your identity. 0.57

00:26:08.160 I find that unpersoning the most terrifying.

00:26:12.300 Let me comment on something I observed.

00:26:14.360 I just came in here today.

00:26:15.660 I mean, I've never been down here before.

00:26:17.040 And I was looking at it through my own eyes, but also trying to imagine, well, what would

00:26:22.860 someone from CNN or New York Times think?

00:26:25.880 And I'd say the first thing they would think is they would say, huh, you're pretty young.

00:26:33.460 Racial diversity.

00:26:35.420 Oh, there's an accent, new immigrant. 1.00

00:26:37.960 Most people here are younger than you.

00:26:39.420 I'd say average age here, to my eyes, looks like 25.

00:26:42.280 So I think that the stereotype caricature of you is proven wrong just by the people who

00:26:48.560 are here.

00:26:49.000 It looks like I'm not making a big deal out of it, but just I think a lot of the slanders 1.00

00:26:54.420 are unmoored from reality.

00:26:57.820 Who are the people who work here and why do they work here?

00:27:00.920 Well, I'm glad you bring that up because we just hire people that want to work hard and

00:27:05.780 are smart and can put up with me.

00:27:07.420 And I don't look at what color they are.

00:27:09.120 Um, I don't look at what gender they are. 0.97

00:27:12.120 Um, I really look at people that, that, that, that just want to do a good job and you go

00:27:16.480 around liberals, they will have token minorities in people, but literally they are some of the

00:27:23.440 most freaked out, uncomfortable around non-white people. 0.88

00:27:27.020 You go to the New York times, these places, they're almost all, you know, uh, white women 1.00

00:27:31.720 for whatever reason, it's, it's like an abode of, of white women ruling everything. 1.00

00:27:35.000 They're trying to get us all to fight with each other over what religion or, you know,

00:27:38.160 background we are, but yeah, um, we've got, you know, you name it, um, and there's not

00:27:43.820 quotas around here.

00:27:44.920 It's who responds to the job, uh, advertisements and, and, and who, who is, uh, you know, competent.

00:27:52.280 I mean, I love Savannah Hernandez.

00:27:53.880 You know, she, she's smart.

00:27:55.200 She's talented.

00:27:56.000 She's also not, not, not hard on the eyes be on air. 0.99

00:27:58.880 And you know, if a, if a woman, uh, we put on an ad and it was a blonde chick with blue 1.00

00:28:02.960 eyes and whatever, but she, but her attitude is what would really matter. 1.00

00:28:06.700 You know, I mean, if a woman was a reporter or want to be a reporter and she didn't have 1.00

00:28:10.980 classic good looks, uh, but she had a great brain, uh, that to me is really cool and even 0.97

00:28:16.280 sexier than physical looks.

00:28:17.580 We would try to hire her. 0.62

00:28:19.140 Uh, so that's really what it comes down to.

00:28:20.760 You know, if liberals, modern leftist had open minds, wanted a job here, um, I would give

00:28:25.760 them one, but they don't.

00:28:26.720 They're constantly twisting things, constantly trying to make things up.

00:28:29.880 They're trying to infiltrate us.

00:28:30.880 One of the things I find hard to do is to find a liberal or a leftist willing to debate

00:28:37.600 five years ago.

00:28:39.060 No problem.

00:28:40.120 Uh, in fact, I had everyone wanting to pick a fight with me intellectually speaking.

00:28:44.220 I mean, but now I find that the left liberals don't want to debate either.

00:28:48.720 They can't, or they prefer to cancel and de-platform.

00:28:51.180 Are there liberals of any stature who sit here and go head to head with you or do they

00:28:58.200 de-platform you too?

00:28:59.800 They always hide and they have an arrogance.

00:29:02.600 Oh, I don't, I don't, I don't give your evil any attention.

00:29:06.560 We're going to de-platform you.

00:29:08.080 I mean, two years ago when this was starting in earnest, I said, I'm being de-platformed.

00:29:11.860 They go, Jones claims there's a thing called de-platforming.

00:29:14.280 That's what they were doing behind the scenes is what their statements and documents were.

00:29:17.460 But the media was even trying to say Jones isn't being de-platformed.

00:29:22.140 Okay.

00:29:22.740 While it was happening, they were trying to have this gaslit double speak.

00:29:27.360 And this doesn't make sense to logical viewers.

00:29:29.680 It's not, it doesn't make sense.

00:29:31.420 They want to control reality, like saying a man can have a baby, um, or saying a man needs 0.85

00:29:40.360 to have a cervix exam and the nurse says, sir, you have a large male genitals and she 0.97

00:29:46.040 gets fired or whatever in England because she didn't do the Canadian story of Jonathan 0.98

00:29:50.400 Yaniv.

00:29:50.880 Hey, I got a question for you.

00:29:52.160 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:52.400 Wash my balls. 0.99

00:29:53.280 Yeah. 0.99

00:29:54.360 Uh, that's Canada's famous, uh, uh, for that.

00:29:58.880 Um, what do you think would happen if we put this, we record this for our paywall viewers

00:30:06.000 and we put that up on a private video player.

00:30:08.260 What do you think would happen if we put this up on YouTube?

00:30:11.800 I mean, I'm, they, they tried to put out the, sorry, I was going to say, I'm here to

00:30:15.440 interview you.

00:30:16.240 I mean, I, I, I'm sympathetic to you.

00:30:18.440 I enjoy what I've seen of you.

00:30:20.720 I don't work for you.

00:30:22.500 Uh, you should be allowed to interview who you want.

00:30:24.240 Well, yeah.

00:30:24.720 I mean, 60 minutes used to go interview.

00:30:26.580 I mean, yeah.

00:30:27.360 I mean, I'm interviewing you because I think you're interesting and I think our people want

00:30:30.360 to hear about it.

00:30:31.380 And I'm not asking you a gotcha questions.

00:30:34.320 I'm asking you legit questions.

00:30:36.420 I'm giving, I'm letting you answer.

00:30:37.780 But you're not supposed to give me a vote.

00:30:38.900 Well, do you think YouTube is going to shut this down?

00:30:40.840 Do you think I'm going to get some sort of a strike if I put this on YouTube?

00:30:44.620 They tried to put out the illusion of what some of their partners, when they first were

00:30:50.040 banning me a few years ago, they'd go, people are getting banned for even having Alex Jones

00:30:53.420 on or even playing club stuff.

00:30:54.640 I mean, that's not, that's not true.

00:30:56.260 It's our channel.

00:30:57.740 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's if InfoWars tries to put up new content.

00:31:00.960 And the head of YouTube a few months ago said, everyone's invited back.

00:31:03.880 We're all for free speech.

00:31:04.760 Oh, and Schroyer goes, Oh really?

00:31:06.980 He just got banned from being associated with me.

00:31:08.840 He goes, great.

00:31:09.560 We put a new channel up, banned in four hours.

00:31:11.100 Have you tried, have you tried to go in the front door?

00:31:13.520 I don't mean physically, but maybe physically.

00:31:15.600 If you tried to say, all right, you know, you're still figuring things out.

00:31:20.000 Let's give you the benefit of the doubt.

00:31:22.440 I'm here to, I'm here to come in the front door.

00:31:25.260 Yes, we've sent him emails.

00:31:26.540 We've called him, no response back.

00:31:29.560 I mean, they, I don't know.

00:31:32.020 I mean, maybe, maybe I'm not familiar enough with your body of work.

00:31:35.100 Maybe there's something that's utterly unacceptable.

00:31:37.440 No, what's going on is, it was, it was, it was getting Trump elected and having Trump

00:31:40.540 on the show.

00:31:41.420 And they wanted to, again, demonize me, create a straw man.

00:31:44.040 Once I fell, they believed everybody else would accept.

00:31:46.480 So they just needed someone for two minutes of hate to use that analogy from 1984.

00:31:51.700 Yeah, they needed their Goldstein.

00:31:52.260 That is exactly, I was Emmanuel Goldstein.

00:31:54.480 To, to set the precedent.

00:31:57.740 Project onto you all the sins.

00:31:59.180 You're the scapegoat.

00:31:59.880 Whatever is wrong, you did it.

00:32:01.460 That's exactly what they did.

00:32:02.940 And they just piled them on and piled them on and piled them on to build me up as this

00:32:06.160 demon.

00:32:07.120 And then they, once people didn't defend me, the precedent was set.

00:32:10.700 And then she comes out and goes, oh, there's free speech. 1.00

00:32:13.200 And then Owen goes and puts up his channel.

00:32:15.460 David Knight, very genteel, very smart and engineer.

00:32:18.760 He had millions and millions of subscribers on iTunes.

00:32:21.520 They took away his podcast.

00:32:22.540 Oh, and hundreds of millions of views on his YouTube channel.

00:32:26.180 They took it away.

00:32:27.040 When I got banned, the media would then go, wait, his other hosts have still got shows.

00:32:31.980 And so to answer your question, no, they've not been taking down people that have interviewed

00:32:38.260 me and me and they wanted to try to set that precedent, but they understand that's really

00:32:43.160 too far to then say other people aren't allowed to go interview somebody.

00:32:47.480 Well, we'll see, because I think we'll put this up on the YouTubes.

00:32:50.540 I know you got to go.

00:32:51.620 I appreciate your time.

00:32:53.360 Let me ask you three quick snappers here. 0.81

00:32:55.240 What's the main thing that people aren't allowed to talk about these days?

00:33:03.600 I think it's how there's corporate and governmental networks that use pedophilia as a way to blackmail

00:33:10.240 and control the fact that that's one of the main systems in the Vatican and other powerful

00:33:14.880 organizations that's really allowed cults to take over.

00:33:17.400 It sounds like you're alluding to Epstein.

00:33:21.020 Yes.

00:33:21.500 Jeffrey Epstein.

00:33:21.980 Epstein is one kind of iceberg in an iceberg field.

00:33:25.420 Did you feel vindicated by that whole story, the fact that he was finally arrested and that 0.97

00:33:30.460 everyone said he's going to be killed, he's going to be killed, he's going to be killed,

00:33:33.840 and he was killed? 0.78

00:33:34.700 Yeah.

00:33:34.920 I mean, I think you're right.

00:33:35.700 That's the biggest story of 2019 because it's a huge awakening left and right coming together

00:33:40.080 and saying Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

00:33:41.960 And that's just a symbol of we don't buy the official story and it's okay to ask questions.

00:33:46.400 And they're trying to criminalize asking questions and not believe in the official story.

00:33:51.240 Even if you're wrong sometimes, you have a right to ask those questions because we've

00:33:55.840 been lied to so many times and that's really cherished and protected in Western civilization

00:33:59.980 and should be.

00:34:02.000 And that's part of due process as well, just in the court of public opinion to be able to

00:34:06.320 do that.

00:34:06.660 So you're absolutely right about that.

00:34:10.860 I got a lot of questions on that, but I know.

00:34:13.060 I was going to say the fact that.

00:34:16.400 Prince Andrew was linked to that and had a disastrous alibi interview that was so bad

00:34:23.460 the queen basically said, honey, you're not doing any more events. 0.59

00:34:26.660 You're stepping down.

00:34:28.140 That's out of something that five years ago would have been called a conspiracy theory.

00:34:33.840 And yet it's happening before our eyes.

00:34:36.040 I think that's the great rebuke of the information controllers.

00:34:41.440 I think what's happening there.

00:34:42.460 And I don't even think we've seen the iceberg.

00:34:45.580 I don't want to say I'm an eternal optimist.

00:34:47.420 I'm a realist.

00:34:48.900 I'm very optimistic.

00:34:50.160 We're facing AI, a lot of tyranny, but people deep down have been asleep.

00:34:55.020 Now they're awake.

00:34:56.100 They're not intimidated.

00:34:57.200 The attempt to intimidate everybody may work on some people, but not most people.

00:35:00.940 And I think it's backfiring.

00:35:02.360 And I think that the whole corrupt system or the corrupt elements of the system that have

00:35:07.300 been trying to use hidden corruption to take over the whole system, I think they're on

00:35:10.840 their heels.

00:35:12.200 Here's a question I ask myself.

00:35:15.080 Who is a role model for you?

00:35:17.040 Who do you admire?

00:35:18.140 Who do you say, I want to do that?

00:35:20.060 I mean, I think Tommy Robinson, I think what you've done independently is a great role

00:35:27.780 model.

00:35:28.420 I think what Donald Trump's done, and I think many other trailblazers, I think these women

00:35:32.500 in Iran in places that are up there really taking their hijabs off and saying they want

00:35:37.120 freedom.

00:35:37.480 I think that's real empowerment.

00:35:39.140 I admire those folks.

00:35:40.700 I admire the investigative journalists that go undercover with Planned Parenthood, selling

00:35:44.620 baby parts and advertising that they're selling living, beating hearts.

00:35:48.380 I mean, I think that's real undercover journalism, Project Veritas, what James O'Keefe is doing

00:35:53.300 and his team is just real investigative journalism.

00:35:56.180 Par excellence is bringing us back from the dark ages of corporate media and kind of ending

00:36:01.200 that.

00:36:02.120 And just InfoWars and my crew and Owen Schroyer and all the people here, they're my heroes.

00:36:08.520 How steadfastly they focus, they work so damn hard.

00:36:11.640 We had some people here like 14 hours yesterday.

00:36:14.000 They're just really dedicated.

00:36:15.060 And so getting to meet the general public who has that light in their eyes, they could

00:36:19.060 be old, they could be young, they could be black, they could be white, they could be

00:36:21.920 Christian, they could be Jewish, they could be Buddhist.

00:36:24.860 But when they're into freedom, they have that light about them and that energy and they're

00:36:28.120 well-spoken and they've got things going on and they're engaged in the universe.

00:36:32.280 And you get around leftist and they're hateful and they're mean like, you know, the poor little

00:36:36.440 victim girl they're using for global warming propaganda.

00:36:38.480 And they're just so obviously on the dark side that you're like, thank God that this has been

00:36:47.160 a rough journey, but I've gotten to meet so many really cool people who are unified in our

00:36:52.640 humanity and the fact that we do want a social contract of living in a free society.

00:36:57.100 And that means the right of free speech.

00:36:59.160 That means the right of self-defense.

00:37:00.540 That means the right of religion or not to practice it.

00:37:02.400 That means, uh, the, uh, you know, right to, to, to, to, to stand your ground and the right

00:37:07.780 to travel and, and, and, and the right to respect others and have yourself respected.

00:37:13.020 And the left doesn't respect that now they are the plague.

00:37:16.760 They are the problem.

00:37:18.160 And I love the fact that they are so scared of me that they've spent more time trying to

00:37:22.680 shut down what we represent than everybody else.

00:37:25.000 And so, uh, I wear it as a badge of honor, but also it makes me work even harder knowing

00:37:30.540 they're trying to silence me.

00:37:31.540 I mean, quite frankly, I've been doing this 25 years. 0.99

00:37:33.560 I bust my ass and you can only go full throttle or stop. 0.98

00:37:37.620 There's no milk, you know, warm, you know, milk toast in the middle. 0.99

00:37:41.780 Uh, and so I wish that, uh, I didn't have to be so fired up in this, but I've got to do

00:37:48.640 it and I enjoy it.

00:37:51.280 Uh, but I, I, I, I wish that things weren't so dire that I would have to be on fire like

00:37:58.100 this opposing it.

00:37:58.940 Last question.

00:38:01.460 Do you think China will become more like America or do you think America will be more like 0.86

00:38:07.320 China? 0.73

00:38:07.720 The way you boil things down much better than I do pontificating for five minutes and

00:38:13.800 every question is amazing.

00:38:14.740 Um, um, Levant is a savant, but seriously, that's the big question of our age.

00:38:23.340 Are we going to be the Chinese global dehumanization, Borg evil of the communist Chinese oppressing 1.00

00:38:30.180 those great people?

00:38:31.020 Or are we going to go with the greater ideals of the Renaissance and Americana and the West,

00:38:35.560 uh, and, uh, the roots, uh, of Western civilization that are Judeo-Christian systems of, of, of, of,

00:38:44.240 of due process right from the old Testament, right through to Magna Carta, right through

00:38:48.200 to 1776.

00:38:49.120 I mean, that is the Renaissance all flowing through, uh, you know, out of Christianity 0.92

00:38:54.380 and, and, and, and, and, and, and what happened in Europe and just all of that.

00:38:58.520 Those are the two paths we're going down.

00:39:00.560 The Chinese communist legalism, uh, which is again, technocracy or making it about the

00:39:08.300 individual.

00:39:08.960 And those are the two big title forces of globalism versus nationalism, uh, freedom versus slavery.

00:39:18.080 And, and that is the big contest of the future.

00:39:21.140 We're at the exact middle of the crossroads right now.

00:39:25.600 Well, I was showing us.

00:39:26.540 Thank you for your time today.

00:39:27.660 Keep fighting for freedom, my friend.

00:39:29.160 Thank you.

00:39:29.440 We're at band.video.

00:39:30.860 Uh, the videos are all free.

00:39:32.000 The live shows, but we hope people spread those links.

00:39:34.880 We hope they spread yours.

00:39:35.620 It's real activism.

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00:39:43.600 Thanks to all of you.

00:39:44.540 And thanks for having me on.

00:39:45.400 Right on.

00:39:46.040 Thanks, sir.

00:39:46.600 Thank you.

00:39:46.840 Well, what do you think of Alex Jones?

00:40:01.060 Is he too rambunctious, too conspiratorial, too over the top?

00:40:07.100 Or do we need a universal skeptic like that to challenge everything from the official narrative

00:40:13.840 on Jeffrey Epstein to Russia collusion?

00:40:17.480 My own instinct is that we need more dissidents, more people who will challenge the official

00:40:23.160 narrative, not fewer of them.

00:40:24.940 Let me close by showing you a clip from a documentary that Alex Jones did many years ago that, to

00:40:33.100 me, proves not only his journalistic chops, but that sometimes, well, things are much stranger

00:40:42.300 than they seem.

00:40:43.080 This is when Alex Jones infiltrated a billionaire's getaway in a California camp for grownups called

00:40:52.740 Bohemian Grove.

00:40:54.600 Let me leave you with about a minute of that documentary.

00:40:58.440 And it was the moment that I thought, you know, Alex Jones might not be right on everything,

00:41:02.920 but every once in a while, he breaks the biggest story in the world.

00:41:08.920 I'll close with that clip.

00:41:10.340 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:41:15.020 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:41:17.800 It was the night of July 15, 2000.

00:41:21.540 Mike Hansen and I were about to attempt the first ever successful infiltration of the Bohemian

00:41:27.240 Grove.

00:41:28.300 Others have tried and failed.

00:41:30.260 No one has ever actually made it in and out with video evidence.

00:41:34.820 After careful planning, we decided the best tactic would be to insert ourselves at a half

00:41:40.320 mile from the main entrance into the heavily wooded area, entering the gorge by stealth and

00:41:46.540 getting into the main parking area.

00:41:48.540 From there, we posed as Bohemian club members, thus entering the inner sanctums of the New World 0.95

00:41:55.180 Order.

00:41:55.500 Begone no care, fire shall have its will of thee.

00:42:01.100 Begone no care, and all the wind may carry with thy dust.

00:42:07.180 Hail Fellowship's eternal flame, once again, Midsommar sets us free.

00:42:14.720 Hail Fellowship!

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Rebel News Podcast - December 20, 2019

Ezra interviews Alex Jones

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