Rebel News Podcast - Does the Coronavirus prove that globalization was a bad idea？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I do some blue-skying and brainstorming on what life would be like

00:00:04.740 without globalization. I don't mean globalism, the ideology of internationalism. I mean the

00:00:10.860 meat and potato stuff, importing, exporting, offshoring, things like that. It'd be interesting

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00:00:28.660 Gunn-Reidz Show and David Menzies Show. Okay, here's my show today.

00:00:46.920 Tonight, does the coronavirus prove that globalization was a bad idea?

00:00:52.080 It's March 10th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:54.500 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:00.280 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:04.340 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody

00:01:09.220 right to do so.

00:01:15.620 Hey, can I show you a quick clip from Global News the other day? It's a public health expert.

00:01:20.580 They call him a doctor. I'm unfamiliar with him, but he seems credible. He's making the case that we

00:01:25.760 can't just stop the coronavirus. It's going to come here, so we should focus on dealing with the

00:01:31.440 virus rather than trying to prevent it. Here, take a look. It's just under one minute.

00:01:36.260 You know, it's a real misconception that we can somehow close our borders. This has been shown over

00:01:42.660 and over again in studies that you can't close borders anymore. If we were a 16th century Europe,

00:01:49.980 you could do it, but you can't do it now. And we are so interconnected. If you think about the goods and

00:01:55.840 services and food that we have in Canada, most of it's not from here. And so we are unable to close our

00:02:02.580 borders that way. And really, this is about risk mitigation rather than trying to, like, stop the risk.

00:02:09.820 And so that's why we're screening people with travel histories. But there's also very much an

00:02:14.380 assumption that viruses cross borders. They don't need passports, and they will very happily,

00:02:19.440 this virus will very happily spread to every country in the world at some point. And so we need to think

00:02:26.580 beyond that and really think about what are the strategies that we can use in Canada to try to

00:02:31.000 slow this down. But we're not going to stop it.

00:02:33.780 By the way, that's true about global warming. Give me a tangent here for a second. The earth is warming

00:02:38.940 very, very slightly, very, very slowly. But it is warming. I think that's a good thing. Our whole

00:02:44.820 planet is still emerging from the ice ages. You know, the North Pole used to be covered in forests.

00:02:49.240 There's evidence of that petrified forest buried under the ice. You can't stop the very slow emergence

00:02:55.740 from that ice age. And you wouldn't want to, by the way. People in all life, in fact, do better in

00:03:01.640 warmth than in cold. More people die in a cold snap than from any heat wave. As my friend Dr. Patrick

00:03:07.220 Moore points out, where are all the biggest cities in the world? Where is the most diversity of plant

00:03:12.880 and animal life in the world? It's around the equator where it's warmest. Life is hardest and

00:03:17.940 sparsest in the cold north and far south. So if you were worried about global warming, and I say

00:03:23.440 there's no reason to be, you'd be smarter to acknowledge that it is going to happen no matter

00:03:28.240 what, has been happening for millennia. And the best thing to do with your energies, if you're worried,

00:03:33.600 is to try to mitigate, try to manage, try to deal with any downsides. You can't stop it,

00:03:40.260 so learn to live with it. In Canada, for example, that probably means longer growing seasons, milder

00:03:45.700 winters. I call that a win. Anyways, forgive that tangent. I just wish we had that sort of

00:03:50.260 methodological thinking on global warming instead of the insanity that thinks that by levying a carbon

00:03:56.200 tax, you're going to stop the weather. You'll just stop the entire climate by paying taxes and

00:04:01.520 recycling or something. It's not going to happen. Like a virus, the climate does not respond to

00:04:07.040 politics or tweets or speeches or taxes. It is what it is. It's not going to change because Greta

00:04:12.620 scowls at you. So in a way, I appreciate the honesty from that doctor. And it's true, isn't it? I mean,

00:04:20.560 look at anything in your grocery store, especially during the winter. How much of it is from other

00:04:26.120 countries for food from the United States and Mexico, but are there also further around the

00:04:32.140 world increasingly. If you're eating fish, odds are it was caught in Asia. A useless fact that I

00:04:40.320 happen to know for some reason is that China produces about half of the world's apples. They also make

00:04:47.380 most of the world's apple computers too, of course, but the fruit. It's a global economy for food and

00:04:53.540 computers and everything manufactured. Try finding something in Walmart that's not made in China.

00:04:59.720 Or try shopping on Amazon, the mighty international online shipper. Or pharmaceuticals. So much of our

00:05:07.400 medicine comes from China. And raw materials to make everything, like rare earth metals, like steel is

00:05:14.080 made in China. So it's true what the man said. We are so interconnected. If you think about the goods

00:05:20.660 and services and food that we have in Canada, most of it's not from here.

00:05:24.160 It's true. If you like to get cheap apples in the wintertime, you have to accept coronavirus, I guess.

00:05:32.080 And try to mitigate it because coronavirus doesn't need a passport, as he said. This isn't the 16th

00:05:37.300 century when you could just put up walls, he said. So it's settled. If you like your Apple iPhone,

00:05:42.660 if you like your Apple fruit, if you like your Walmart toys, your exotic fruits when it's minus 20,

00:05:47.700 money, and saving a few bucks off your larger items, you've simply got to go with globalization.

00:05:53.620 And hey, don't we get rich off it too? I mean, all the things we sell to foreigners. 1.00

00:05:59.700 Well, not really. Actually, we pretty much just sell everything to the Americans who are like family.

00:06:05.260 It's like our own country. Here, take a look at this chart. This is from the World Bank.

00:06:11.120 We sell 75% of our stuff to the United States. We sell just over 4% of our stuff to China.

00:06:18.140 They really don't buy our stuff. Maybe they would if we ever built an oil pipeline to the coast,

00:06:22.460 but we won't. Here's what we import in terms of consumer goods. That's everything in Walmart,

00:06:29.260 for example. 47% of our consumer goods is from the States. 15% from China. So that's a little bit

00:06:37.200 more. On the food side, we import 61% of our food from the States. Then comes France and Italy.

00:06:44.640 China, thankfully, is just over 2%. I guess what I'm driving at is, yeah, we buy all sorts of things

00:06:50.840 from China. Lots of junk. Thankfully, not a lot of food. Too much of our medicine. Too much of strategic 0.89

00:07:00.640 things like computers. But as Apple computers recently demonstrated, they can make computers

00:07:08.060 in the United States at a profit. Trump has lowered taxes so much in the U.S. that all sorts of factories

00:07:14.300 are reshoring to the United States. Remember that word offshoring? Now they're reshoring and repatriating

00:07:20.300 money from abroad back home to America. So here's my point. Donald Trump cut taxes, pulling U.S.

00:07:27.240 companies to bring their factories back home. And then Trump put tariffs on China, pushing American

00:07:34.500 factories to relocate back home, or at least somewhere other than China. So there was the

00:07:40.000 pull of low taxes, the push of tariffs, both of which he did for his America First agenda,

00:07:46.480 economic prosperity and patriotism. Those were condemned as jingoistic. But if you were a factory

00:07:52.600 owner and you took the plunge and took a hint and moved your factory back to America last year,

00:07:58.740 you'd be thanking your lucky stars right now, wouldn't you? Globalization is built on mass-scale

00:08:05.120 economies. We're saving a few pennies per pound of something or a few dollars per ton of something.

00:08:11.420 It can add up if you're dealing with millions or billions of pounds or tons. But there are other

00:08:16.280 prices to pay besides just a few percent profit here and there. I think we see the flip side of that

00:08:21.380 argument with foreign, cheap, illegal workers, especially in the United States, but also here

00:08:26.080 in Canada. California is a key example. I mean, if you're paying illegal workers a few dollars an hour

00:08:33.520 less, let's say it's even $10 an hour less. Why, that might work out to 25 cents per avocado that you're

00:08:41.280 saving. 10 cents cheaper for an orange or a tomato. Now, if you multiply that by millions or billions,

00:08:49.320 that's a lot of money. I mean, it's more efficient that way. That's globalization. Saves you a bit of

00:08:55.780 money, but what's the cost? That Dr. Michael Gardam says you can't just close borders. I think what he

00:09:02.280 meant was you can't just close borders if you want to have cheap Chinese apples and cheap Chinese 0.98

00:09:07.860 aspirin. And by cheap, I mean a few pennies cheaper. He's right. But he's stating that as if

00:09:13.880 you'd be insane to sacrifice that savings. It reminds me a bit of Brexit, where the entire

00:09:20.260 establishment was going crazy, warning you what life would be like if the UK removed itself from

00:09:26.360 a political institution called the European Union. You just wouldn't be able to get any sandwiches

00:09:32.180 anymore. But certainly there would be serious problems in terms of some of the fresh ingredients

00:09:37.120 we bring in from the European Union and also from overseas, particularly if we have problems

00:09:43.160 in the ports and we can't get ingredients through because they're all fresh and don't have a very

00:09:49.480 long shelf life. And we've got no chance to stop piling fresh ingredients. So I think the answer from

00:09:55.520 the sandwich industry is going to be that it's going to limit the amount of choice that consumers have

00:09:59.560 if we suddenly crash out of Brexit in the way that it's being talked about.

00:10:04.160 Yeah, no, that's crazy. You can get sandwiches. And even if it were true, which of course it wasn't,

00:10:10.280 was having exotic ingredients in your sandwich worth giving up political independence? Was it really

00:10:15.220 that important? Is saving 25 cents per avocado worth having illegals in the country displacing legal 1.00

00:10:23.480 workers and illegals who don't pay taxes, who aren't registered in any way with the law,

00:10:27.580 and yet who still take social services, schools, hospitals, lots of police? Is the state of

00:10:32.780 California really ahead of the game by saving 25 cents per avocado? If you've outsourced your entire

00:10:40.580 steel industry to China so that steel is a bit cheaper, let's say it's even, oh, I'm going to make

00:10:46.680 up a number, $500 cheaper in your car. Not that there's a lot of steel in cars anymore, but how often do you

00:10:53.880 buy a new car once every five or 10 years? So is saving 500 bucks, and it's not even that much,

00:11:00.120 every five years worth shutting down your entire country's steel industry? Is it worth having

00:11:07.800 thousands of unemployed men in Hamilton, Ontario, or Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, so your new car is

00:11:13.420 $40,000 instead of $40,500? Trump points out that this globalization always seemed to be one way.

00:11:21.940 America had to import cheap foreign goods, but those same countries never seemed to import American

00:11:27.580 goods. He's been talking about this for close to 40 years. I got a full-page ad in major U.S.

00:11:32.660 newspapers last year criticizing U.S. foreign policy. What would you do differently, Donald?

00:11:37.200 I'd make our allies, forgetting about the enemies, the enemies you can't talk to so easily,

00:11:41.100 I'd make our allies pay their fair share. We're a debtor nation. Something's going to happen over

00:11:45.840 the next number of years with this country, because you can't keep going on losing $200 billion,

00:11:49.900 and yet we let Japan come in and dump everything right into our markets and everything. It's not 0.92

00:11:54.500 free trade. If you ever go to Japan right now and try to sell something, forget about it,

00:11:58.600 open. Just forget about it. It's almost impossible. They don't have laws against it. They just make it

00:12:02.420 impossible. They come over here. They sell their cars, their VCRs. They knock the hell out of our

00:12:06.980 companies. And, hey, I have tremendous respect for the Japanese people. I mean, you can respect

00:12:11.400 somebody that's beating the hell out of you, but they are beating the hell out of this country.

00:12:15.220 Kuwait, they live like kings. The poorest person in Kuwait, they live like kings, and yet they're 0.67

00:12:19.540 not paying. We make it possible for them to sell their oil. Why aren't they paying us 25% of what

00:12:24.760 they're making? It's a joke. It's true. Why is globalization outsourcing American and Canadian jobs to

00:12:31.560 China and importing their products? Why is it never them importing our stuff? I think it's important

00:12:38.100 to point something out, and you know me. I'm not an environmentalist, but China is by far the most

00:12:43.640 polluted country in the world. I'd say India is a close second. Part of it is because they're going 1.00

00:12:48.240 through their industrial revolution now, building hundreds of coal-fired power plants, electrifying

00:12:53.880 their countries for the first time, building things that we built decades or even centuries ago.

00:12:58.620 They're catching up at very fast speed. Good for them. But first of all, we outsourced our factories

00:13:05.200 to them. And all that smoke and pollution, well, a good chunk of that is to make our stuff.

00:13:11.140 Our stuff in our Walmarts and our Apple computer stores, it's pollution, but it's over there,

00:13:17.580 out of sight, out of mind for us. So while we can criticize China and India for pollution, 0.96

00:13:22.460 and I mean real pollution, not fake pollution of carbon dioxide, but real pollution,

00:13:26.880 well, some of that pollution is precisely because we want them to make our stuff, and that's how

00:13:32.440 they make it cheaper. They have cheap labor over there, of course, and we've just learned that

00:13:37.580 Muslim Chinese people called Uyghurs have been sent to work in slave labor factories for Western

00:13:43.780 brands. So yeah, that's going to be cheaper than American or Canadian workers, but also they have

00:13:48.900 very few employment standards like laws against child labor or laws limiting the number of hours in

00:13:54.100 the work week or laws that call for safety for workers, and what laws they have are obviously

00:13:59.840 not enforced. So yeah, that's how you saved a hundred bucks on your thousand dollar iPhone.

00:14:04.700 Congratulations to you. Not only did you not have a high-tech job in New York or Ontario or BC or

00:14:11.900 Washington State, but you had a slave or a semi-slave make it for you, but you didn't see that part of 0.72

00:14:18.500 it so you can pretend it wasn't on you. So what has this globalization done for us that Dr. Gardam

00:14:24.900 told us about that's irresistible, that's unchangeable? It's made us vulnerable to every

00:14:32.040 virus in the world. It's given us illegal labor at home and slave labor abroad. It's exported our jobs

00:14:37.720 to foreign factories that pollute. It's given up our strategic security by putting China in charge of 0.98

00:14:42.880 our steel and our pharmaceuticals and our computers and now our internet and now our data and now our

00:14:47.880 cell phones. I mean, why not use Huawei? I hear they'll save you a few bucks a month on your internet

00:14:53.780 or something. No problem. And that's really what's important, right? I don't want to give up some parts

00:15:00.280 of globalization. I like it. I like the variety of the world. I like traveling to foreign places. I like

00:15:04.780 learning from other people. I like other cultures. I like other food. I like coming home the best though.

00:15:10.320 I like my own family and my friends and my street and my town the best. I welcome newcomers,

00:15:16.060 but not in such number that I no longer recognize my street and my town and my country. That's not

00:15:21.340 racism. It's not about race. That's just what it means to talk about your home. What's the difference

00:15:26.860 between a house and a home? A home is your place. It's not really measured by saving 25 cents on an

00:15:33.140 avocado. Maybe it's impossible to avoid coronavirus. Maybe it's impossible to unhook from the global system

00:15:39.800 of trade or the global internet that now flows increasingly through China, all your data.

00:15:46.400 But I think actually we can unhook a bit. I don't think China is the future. I think it actually 0.99

00:15:51.900 aborted its own future. I think it killed itself and we're about to see that. I think the UK and other

00:15:58.020 European countries will come soon, I think, will prove that you can unhook at least a bit and then more

00:16:05.600 from global networks if it suits you. And Trump himself proves that you can get along without

00:16:11.740 China, economically, strategically, political. I'd like to try a bit. What do you think?

00:16:20.040 Stay with us for more.

00:16:21.120 It is tough to fight the establishment. It's tough, especially if you're for freedom these days and

00:16:40.400 slowly political correctness works its way through our establishments. And nothing is more established

00:16:48.320 than the Law Society of Upper Canada. You can even hear it in their name. Now, they've

00:16:54.460 modernized it now that they call themselves Ontario. They're getting with the times. But this is the

00:16:59.940 highest heights of the legal profession in Ontario. It regulates all lawyers. It elects senior lawyers to

00:17:09.980 manage the affair of lawyers. They're called benchers. And frankly, being elected a bencher is usually a

00:17:16.620 precursor to becoming a judge. These are the fanciest of the fancy people. Try fighting them

00:17:24.020 over a politically correct battle. You are fighting Goliath. But what happens if you actually win? And

00:17:33.580 joining us now in studio is a man who stood on principle for freedom of thought, freedom of conscience,

00:17:40.380 freedom of expression against the benchers establishment. And he won. And here to explain

00:17:46.340 it to us is our friend Samuel Goldstein. Great to see you again. Great to see you. It's been a long

00:17:49.860 time. Yes, yes.

00:17:51.140 First of all, you now are a bencher of the Law Society.

00:17:55.700 I am.

00:17:56.160 That's a...

00:17:57.200 I'm the fanciest.

00:17:58.120 I was going to say, I don't think we've ever had someone that fancy on this show before.

00:18:03.460 You carry yourself humbly. But how many lawyers are there in Ontario?

00:18:09.200 There are, I think there are about 47,000 lawyers.

00:18:14.100 Oh my God.

00:18:14.420 Now, the Law Society of Ontario, as it was changed a couple of years ago, also regulates

00:18:19.040 paralegals as well. So I'm just going to say legal professionals. And there's about 56, let's

00:18:24.360 say 56,000 legal professionals in Ontario. I could be off on my numbers.

00:18:27.900 And how many benchers, as you're called, are there regulating these 56,000 people?

00:18:33.220 Right. So there are 52 or 53. I can't remember my specific numbers.

00:18:39.400 It's not a huge number. You're like a city hall, really, for lawyers.

00:18:43.340 Yeah. But the reason why is because there's a breakdown. There are 40 benchers elected who

00:18:49.520 are lawyers. 20 from inside Toronto, 20 from outside of Toronto. And then there are seven

00:18:55.860 laypeople who the provincial government appoints. And then there are five paralegals. So it's 52.

00:19:03.720 All right. Well, that's very interesting. And really, you govern the profession. Is that right?

00:19:08.980 Yeah. So we're a board of directors, essentially. It's a not-for-profit, non-share-issuing

00:19:13.900 organization.

00:19:15.500 But you have a lot of power, too. You can disbar a lawyer, for example, if they misbehave.

00:19:21.160 You really regulate. Instead of politicians regulating lawyers, you really have the power

00:19:27.140 to regulate other lawyers.

00:19:28.740 Yes. And you just pointed out an important feature of it. We were the first self-regulating

00:19:35.140 body. And we're one of the very few self-regulating bodies. And what I mean by self-regulating bodies

00:19:40.820 is of the legal profession. So in other jurisdictions in the world, the law societies there are actually,

00:19:47.440 they don't exist. The government, as in England, actually regulates the lawyers.

00:19:51.900 In Canada and Ontario, we are still self-regulated. And our mandate under the Law Society Act,

00:19:59.880 the fundamental core of terms, is that we're supposed to make sure that lawyers are competent

00:20:06.200 and lawyers are ethical. And there's a discipline tribunal. I'm actually sitting as an adjudicator

00:20:11.340 on the discipline tribunal.

00:20:12.480 So it's like you're a judge. You're a judge who just judges lawyers. Is that accurate?

00:20:18.540 Yeah.

00:20:18.980 That's amazing.

00:20:20.540 And we can revoke their licenses, as you pointed out.

00:20:24.060 Now, whenever there's this much power, and when you're dealing with powerful people like lawyers,

00:20:30.040 who in society are, you know, wealthier, more politically connected, they're powerful people,

00:20:38.840 there will be politics, especially on the regulatory side. Because imagine exercising control over those

00:20:47.140 56,000 legal professionals. And that's where you came in with your fight. Now, I don't want to

00:20:55.020 misstate it. So maybe you can tell our viewers, what was the battle about? What was this great battle

00:21:02.420 about freedom of conscience? Because that's the kind of stuff we care about here. And to know that

00:21:08.700 there was a battle, a clash of the titans, bencher versus bencher. You know, you guys are the masters

00:21:14.880 of the universe when it comes to law, and even judges, and the way court cases go, and the way you

00:21:21.900 can represent people. There was a brutal battle in the Law Society, wasn't there?

00:21:25.480 Yeah. First of all, I thank you for your flattery about being powerful.

00:21:31.840 Well, over the legal profession, you are.

00:21:33.740 Yeah. So I think the lawyers often inflate our own sense of role in society. But yes, within the...

00:21:39.980 So as you pointed out, we regulate the lawyers. And what happened a number of years ago was that

00:21:45.620 there was a statement of principles that was adopted by convocation. Convocation is what's called

00:21:49.920 the assembly, like the House of Commons.

00:21:52.300 It's like the parliament of the lawyers.

00:21:53.980 Exactly. And they voted that all lawyers would have to adopt a statement of principles. And those

00:22:03.700 statements of principles were essentially illiberal ideas. We can get to them in a moment. And 22 of

00:22:10.420 us ran on a slate. And in the last bencher election, which was last year, the bencher are

00:22:18.100 elected every four years. And all 22 of us got elected.

00:22:21.960 So it was like a political party running for the parliament of lawyers, and 22 out of 22

00:22:28.740 of your people won.

00:22:29.800 Yes.

00:22:30.340 I find that incredible.

00:22:31.560 Yeah. Look, it truly is incredible.

00:22:34.340 And the reason... And we haven't told people about the statement of principles, because you

00:22:37.900 just say statement of principles. Well, that sounds good. But it's what those principles

00:22:41.760 were. I mean, if the principles were be honest, don't steal, you know, fight for justice,

00:22:48.200 who wouldn't support that. But it's what was jammed into the statement of principles that

00:22:52.920 made it so prickly, right?

00:22:54.260 Yeah. So the statement of principles were really about these warm, fuzzy words, these motherhood

00:23:00.240 issues about diversity, inclusion, and equity. They sound great words. Who wouldn't be in

00:23:07.260 favor of those words? But it was the meaning behind them. And frankly, as someone who is

00:23:11.400 a free speech advocate like yourself, it doesn't matter whether I have to say something good

00:23:17.300 or if I have to say something bad. The point is, I have a charter right. The charter right

00:23:21.240 says that I don't have to say things that I don't believe in. It also says, I don't

00:23:25.220 have to say things even if I do believe in. That's a very fundamental point. We have a right

00:23:29.560 for expression, and we also have a right against compelled expression.

00:23:35.640 Isn't that an interesting point? Because you're right, the word diversity, well, first of all,

00:23:40.560 that's a word that can mean different things to different people. To me, intellectual diversity

00:23:45.460 is important. Other people, the only diversity they care about is racial or sexual or characteristics

00:23:52.580 that I don't think we should judge each other on. But really, it's a Trojan horse for whatever

00:23:57.840 the political power of the day says you have to believe. That's my thoughts on diversity.

00:24:01.800 No, it's absolutely… When we talk about diversity of ideas, I actually prefer to talk

00:24:07.500 about pluralism. And when we're talking about diversity… Because diversity is really

00:24:11.900 about this intersectionality of trying to say that there is a hierarchy of people out

00:24:16.580 there are victims, and it's based upon race. And we have to give priority to those

00:24:23.180 people on the top of the list in terms of the victimhood Olympics, the gold medals of the

00:24:28.140 Olympic victimhood races. And I object to that. Now, I don't see anything wrong with multiculturalism, 0.68

00:24:33.840 right? I don't see anything wrong with having different… And I don't say racialized, which

00:24:37.980 we'll get to in another moment. I say… That's a very weird word that's

00:24:40.540 reasonable. I say, look, we've already talked about ethnic minorities and religious minorities.

00:24:45.460 I think it's important to provide protection for ethnic and religious minorities.

00:24:49.840 But that's got nothing to do with compelling someone to make certain platitudes.

00:24:53.140 Correct. To say something. That's what's weird. Like, telling a judge, telling a lawyer,

00:24:58.920 you can't be racist, you can't be discriminatory. I think I've got time for that. But telling

00:25:04.200 a lawyer he has to testify, I am a diversity activist, or whatever the actual manifestation

00:25:10.840 was. That's where it gets weird and compulsive, and compulsion. That's the compulsion, right?

00:25:15.340 Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll put this way. There was compulsion because if you didn't sign

00:25:19.580 on to these diversity principles, then they could sanction you. Now, the law society first

00:25:25.880 intimated that they would sanction people, revoke people's licenses.

00:25:28.640 Really? Yeah.

00:25:29.640 Literally…

00:25:30.640 Yes.

00:25:31.640 …take away a man's livelihood if he didn't sign on to some…

00:25:33.640 Yeah. And then they backtracked a little bit, and they qualified it. So either it actually

00:25:37.580 meant something, that you actually believed in as your diversity ideas, and you were going

00:25:41.800 to punish people if they didn't go along with what you wanted, or you're just saying people

00:25:46.300 just tick something off, don't worry about it, in which case you don't believe. You

00:25:49.520 don't have the courage of your convictions.

00:25:50.600 Mm-hmm. You know, that's… you're exactly right. I mean, first of all, if you believe

00:25:56.480 in diversity, isn't one species of diversity not signing on to a statement? Like, if you actually

00:26:03.180 believed in diversity, you would let someone not be like you.

00:26:07.360 Yeah.

00:26:08.360 And… and if you forced someone to make some statement, what's the value of a compelled…

00:26:15.360 That's like a jailhouse confession, where you're forced to sign… If a lawyer doesn't believe

00:26:19.740 it, what's even the point of it?

00:26:21.580 Well, I think it highlights the intolerance of the social justice warriors and the progressives

00:26:26.700 who existed on convocation.

00:26:27.700 I tell you, Sam, you're using language that I use, too. It's quite something for me to see

00:26:31.580 this language in a bencher, and your party, I'm going to call it a party, your slave… 1.00

00:26:36.580 Well, we call this a slate.

00:26:38.580 A slate. Stop, sop. That's the… that's the… 1.00

00:26:43.580 That was what we called ourselves.

00:26:44.580 …statement of principles. Yeah.

00:26:46.580 And 22 out of 22 of you won in the election.

00:26:49.580 Yeah.

00:26:50.580 Was there a slate against you? Was there a social justice warrior slate against you?

00:26:56.580 Or were you sort of the dissidents against everybody?

00:26:59.580 You know, certainly when we started running, there was a lot of pushback from those who

00:27:06.580 believed in the statement of principles, and there's still pushback, because we can get

00:27:09.580 to that in a moment.

00:27:10.580 Well, they can believe it in their own heart.

00:27:11.580 Yeah.

00:27:12.580 But why do they…

00:27:13.580 But they didn't run… but they didn't run a slate against us.

00:27:14.580 And basically, you know, people just discounted us.

00:27:16.580 People didn't think we were going to win.

00:27:18.580 I didn't…

00:27:19.580 People thought… criticized us for our beliefs.

00:27:21.580 I didn't think you were going to win.

00:27:22.580 How could you…

00:27:23.580 Thank you.

00:27:24.580 Remember the Law Society?

00:27:25.580 Still like a paid man?

00:27:26.580 No.

00:27:27.580 I'm no longer a lawyer.

00:27:28.580 But…

00:27:29.580 Please pay your fees.

00:27:30.580 You can vote for us next election.

00:27:31.580 I mean, and that's not me disparaging you.

00:27:32.580 I just thought, how can you fight the benchers?

00:27:34.580 Well…

00:27:35.580 How can you fight the Law Society?

00:27:36.580 Well, let me tell you something about that.

00:27:37.580 So, we went around and we were looking for people to join us.

00:27:39.580 And it was very hard, because people were afraid of us.

00:27:42.580 Because it's not just… you talk about the legal establishment.

00:27:45.580 It's not just the Law Society, but it's also the legal publications out there are very much in favor of whatever the Law Society is promoting at the time.

00:27:53.580 So, it was very hard to be treated seriously by like the Law Times or by even other legal… the Canadian Lawyers magazine, right?

00:28:01.580 You were constantly publishing articles, interviewing people at then the former treasurer, Paul Chabas, or the now treasurer, Malcolm Mercer, who dismissed us.

00:28:11.580 And if you just… let me give me a moment… give me a moment.

00:28:14.580 I really want to mention Michael Minear of London, Ontario, who started the website, the Stop SOP website.

00:28:21.580 And it was initially to oppose the adoption of the Statement of Principles by convocation.

00:28:26.580 And I got… they phoned me up one day and asked if I would join the group, because I had been writing for…

00:28:32.580 I'm a columnist for a small legal publication called The Lawyers Daily.

00:28:35.580 And I had been writing against the SOP for a number… for a period of time.

00:28:40.580 And they asked if they could use one of my articles.

00:28:42.580 And that's how I got in with them.

00:28:44.580 We lost the vote, ultimately, because the convocation voted to adopt it.

00:28:48.580 And after that, they were like, what should we do?

00:28:51.580 And I said, well, look, we've got about 600 names on this website, if not more.

00:28:57.580 Why don't we now turn this into a political movement and run as benches?

00:29:00.580 You're an activist.

00:29:01.580 I love it.

00:29:02.580 Well, you know.

00:29:03.580 And so, we did.

00:29:04.580 And a year later, we recruited people.

00:29:06.580 But people initially, as I said, were afraid to join us.

00:29:09.580 No one thought we were going to win.

00:29:10.580 And I remember being… I remember driving up to Newmarket Courthouse.

00:29:13.580 I had a case up there.

00:29:15.580 And my wife phoned me up and she said, congratulations.

00:29:18.580 And I said, you know, I said, oh, I won.

00:29:20.580 Like, I was surprised.

00:29:21.580 And I was like, I was concerned.

00:29:22.580 Like, who else won, right?

00:29:23.580 I got the fifth highest votes in Toronto.

00:29:26.580 Wow.

00:29:27.580 And then she phoned me and she said, she'll look.

00:29:28.580 And then she said, everyone won.

00:29:30.580 Unbelievable.

00:29:31.580 That's like a fairy tale come true.

00:29:34.580 Yeah.

00:29:35.580 I mean, I followed it.

00:29:36.580 I thought, well, these guys, they're bravely fighting, but they're going to retreat.

00:29:40.580 They're going to be killed.

00:29:41.580 It's going to be a wipeout.

00:29:43.580 This gives me hope, Sam, because this tells me that maybe there are some people who still

00:29:49.580 understand freedom and independence and the right to be a dissident, the right to be a

00:29:56.580 dissenter.

00:29:57.580 It gives me a little bit of hope in the legal profession that frankly is a flickering flame

00:30:01.580 for me right now.

00:30:02.580 Is that flame going to be blown out?

00:30:04.580 And if you came in number five in the whole city, there's a lot of lawyers in Toronto.

00:30:08.580 It's a very progressive city.

00:30:10.580 Yeah.

00:30:11.580 If you came in top five, I find that very encouraging.

00:30:14.580 Well, I think it also shows that the profession didn't want this.

00:30:18.580 And the profession is concerned that La Saudi is engaging in this mission creep and going

00:30:22.580 beyond what it really should be doing.

00:30:26.580 The other thing I think we should point out to your viewers is that in the end, we did

00:30:30.580 defeat the statement of principles.

00:30:32.580 There was a very long convocation back last year, and I think it was in June.

00:30:36.580 I love that it's called convocation.

00:30:38.580 It sounds like almost the cardinal's meeting to select a pope, like convocation, white smoke

00:30:44.580 coming out of the chimney.

00:30:45.580 Are these convocations private, or are they on the record, or what are they like?

00:30:49.580 Well, they're publicized.

00:30:51.580 I think they're on the website of the La Saudi.

00:30:53.580 You can watch them.

00:30:54.580 I think I've seen some clips from them, but it sounds very fancy like the high priests

00:30:57.580 getting together.

00:30:58.580 So you had this convocation, and the statement of principles was…

00:31:02.580 Very divisive.

00:31:03.580 It was a very divisive convocation.

00:31:04.580 Well, it's a divisivation.

00:31:05.580 Yeah.

00:31:06.580 And in fact, the reality is that the La Saudi continues to be very divisive.

00:31:11.580 There's many subjects which we're discussing.

00:31:14.580 I mean, we continue to try and fight against the social justice warriors and the so-called

00:31:19.580 progressivism at the law society.

00:31:22.580 And we're trying to reduce lawyers' fees.

00:31:25.580 We reduced them by $250 this year.

00:31:27.580 There was fight back on that.

00:31:29.580 Nima Hajjodi, who is this young lawyer who is the head of the equity group at the law

00:31:36.580 society, complained that that money should have gone towards equity issues.

00:31:41.580 And so we're getting a lot of pushback on the many different topics that we're trying

00:31:45.580 to fight.

00:31:46.580 Just recently, we talked about how this equity group that has a permanent seat on the equity

00:31:52.580 committee of the law society was tweeting all these spurious accusations against a fellow

00:31:59.580 bencher, a colleague of mine who's on the slate.

00:32:02.580 And the law society wouldn't censure him.

00:32:04.580 So the law society itself is tweeting against an elected bencher of the law society.

00:32:10.580 Well, it's not the law.

00:32:11.580 He's not a bencher.

00:32:13.580 He's appointed by this group called the equity group, which is like a Trojan horse inside

00:32:19.580 the law society.

00:32:20.580 It has special status on one of the committees.

00:32:23.580 The rules, apparently, that I'm bound by a bencher code of conduct, but he's not bound

00:32:28.580 by a bencher code of conduct.

00:32:30.580 And when we pointed out this anomaly to the convocation the last meeting just two weeks

00:32:36.580 ago, instead of saying, oh, this is a problem, we should solve it, they ignored it and said,

00:32:41.580 well, we're going to table the issue we're not going to talk about.

00:32:43.580 Because equity isn't about equality.

00:32:45.580 It's about special status.

00:32:46.580 Yeah.

00:32:47.580 You know, all these funny words, the more opaque the word, the more can be jammed through them.

00:32:54.580 Equity.

00:32:55.580 Diversity.

00:32:56.580 You said you have 22 folks on your slate out of 57.

00:33:00.580 So of the other 35, are all of them really weaponized on this subject or are some of them

00:33:06.580 just normal folks?

00:33:07.580 You know, a good question as well.

00:33:10.580 You know, there are two paralegals who tend to see our point of view.

00:33:14.580 And then there are a number of lay benchers who, despite the fact that we're appointed

00:33:17.580 by the provincial government, and voted against the statement of principles, so voted with

00:33:22.580 us in terms of trying to defeat it.

00:33:24.580 They've bought into this diversity stuff.

00:33:27.580 And it's a bit disappointing to see that.

00:33:30.580 And the thing is, diversity, I mean-

00:33:32.580 Let me just, one more, sorry to interrupt you.

00:33:34.580 But you have to understand that, you know, as you know, it's very hard to take sensible

00:33:40.580 positions these days because you're accused of all types of horrible things.

00:33:44.580 Accused of being racist and so on.

00:33:46.580 And no one likes to be called racist.

00:33:48.580 And I truly believe that there, and I know this to be the fact, that there is a group of

00:33:53.580 benchers who didn't necessarily agree with the statement of principles and the other

00:33:58.580 recommendations that this report put forward.

00:34:01.580 But they felt pressured and bullied by other people who did believe in this to go along with

00:34:07.580 it.

00:34:08.580 So if you don't support these equity causes, these diversity issues, despite the fact that,

00:34:15.580 for very good logical reasons, you're not engaged with on any sort of reasonable basis.

00:34:22.580 It's just all ad hominem attacks.

00:34:24.580 So if I may just continue.

00:34:26.580 So Murray Klippenstein is a guy who has worked for indigenous Canadians.

00:34:31.580 He was one of the lawyers on the G20 suing the government at the time, really involved

00:34:38.580 in progressive causes.

00:34:40.580 And he looked at this report by this company, Stratcom, that the law society hired, which

00:34:46.580 laid the foundation for the statement of principles.

00:34:49.580 And he went through the analysis and it showed that the entire analysis of the Stratcom report

00:34:53.580 is invalid.

00:34:54.580 And no one has actually engaged with him on any reasonable level.

00:35:00.580 No one's criticized his analysis.

00:35:03.580 They've only criticized him.

00:35:04.580 It's all these ad hominem attacks on him.

00:35:06.580 So is he part of your slate?

00:35:07.580 Yeah.

00:35:08.580 Murray is part of our slate.

00:35:09.580 So if you've got a guy who's fighting the G20.

00:35:11.580 He got the most votes in Toronto.

00:35:13.580 Really?

00:35:14.580 Yeah.

00:35:15.580 The most votes?

00:35:16.580 He got the most votes.

00:35:17.580 So Klippenstein sounds Jewish. 0.87

00:35:18.580 He's not.

00:35:19.580 He's Mennonite.

00:35:20.580 I was just, I'm glad I checked.

00:35:23.580 But my point is, he's fighting the G20 fight.

00:35:25.580 I'm taking it on the side of the protesters?

00:35:27.580 Yes.

00:35:28.580 Okay.

00:35:29.580 So that's very, that's not even liberal.

00:35:31.580 That is liberal, but that's also left wing, progressive, whatever word.

00:35:34.580 And he's for the indigenous people.

00:35:36.580 He represented the Dudley-George family in the Ipawai.

00:35:39.580 Wow.

00:35:40.580 He sued Mike Harris.

00:35:41.580 That's incredible.

00:35:42.580 I mean, he is right out there on the front lines of progressive public interest law.

00:35:49.580 And for him to say this, diversity BS is BS.

00:35:54.580 Surely that's got to make some other folks shake their head.

00:35:57.580 If this guy who's out there fighting these fights, like that's way out there.

00:36:03.580 And he's against this.

00:36:04.580 And here's something else.

00:36:05.580 He's just recently, I mean, I love Murray.

00:36:07.580 I'm very proud of him.

00:36:08.580 I'm so glad to be his friend.

00:36:10.580 And it's very funny how this issue brought us together.

00:36:12.580 I'd say, because you're on the conservative side of the aisle.

00:36:14.580 Definitely on the conservative side of the aisle.

00:36:16.580 But Murray recently won a case in the Superior Court in Ontario.

00:36:20.580 He's representing a number of indigenous communities in South Africa against a mining company.

00:36:27.580 And he's claiming that this mining company in South Africa was raping these indigenous women.

00:36:32.580 And he just won a motion which allows him to sue this mining company in Toronto, Ontario.

00:36:38.580 I think that was just in the last week or so, wasn't it?

00:36:41.580 About a month ago, yeah.

00:36:42.580 So that's an extremely prominent case that anyone who cares about minorities, racial minorities, the poor,

00:36:51.580 they ought to say, well, this, Klippenstein's a hero.

00:36:54.580 Yeah.

00:36:55.580 If he is worried about this statement of forced diversity, you've got to say, he's got enough bona fides.

00:37:04.580 We can't just call him racist.

00:37:06.580 Are they calling him racist?

00:37:07.580 Yeah.

00:37:08.580 It's incredible.

00:37:09.580 He's probably done more for these.

00:37:11.580 If he represented Dudley George, he's done more for the downtrodden minorities, whatever, than any of his critics.

00:37:18.580 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:37:19.580 Look, it's funny when people call me these names because fundamentally, you know, as a classical liberal, my main concern is with the low-income earners,

00:37:28.580 with the poor people and making sure there's no discrimination.

00:37:30.580 Well, that's who your clients are, mainly, partly.

00:37:32.580 Well, I know I'm a criminal lawyer, but I try and do some private clients.

00:37:35.580 That's just legal aid.

00:37:37.580 But, you know, look, I'm also a national legal advisor for B'nai B'rith, Canada, right?

00:37:41.580 And I always have believed and still believe that, you know, you have to prevent discrimination is wrong.

00:37:47.580 But it's discrimination based upon prohibited grounds, right?

00:37:51.580 It's on an individual basis.

00:37:53.580 Here, this will be very surprising to you.

00:37:55.580 Who said that the best way to protect group rights is to protect individual rights? 0.57

00:38:02.580 I don't know.

00:38:03.580 Pierre Trudeau.

00:38:04.580 Did he?

00:38:05.580 You have surprised me.

00:38:06.580 In his essay, French Canadians and Federalism.

00:38:08.580 You have surprised me.

00:38:09.580 In his collection of essays from La Cité, the magazine.

00:38:11.580 You know what?

00:38:12.580 He's right.

00:38:13.580 He wrote that back in the 60s.

00:38:14.580 And he nailed it.

00:38:15.580 You know what?

00:38:16.580 I'm going to dig that up.

00:38:17.580 You'll have to adopt that now.

00:38:18.580 I'm going to start using that.

00:38:19.580 Yeah.

00:38:20.580 That's the most enlightened thing I've ever heard ascribe to Trudeau.

00:38:23.580 Because you, you know, and you protect individual rights, and then you let those individuals

00:38:29.580 decide which parts of their identity are prominent or not.

00:38:33.580 Right.

00:38:34.580 We don't tell people that they're black.

00:38:35.580 Right.

00:38:36.580 We don't tell people that they're Jewish.

00:38:37.580 Right-handed, blue-eyed, whatever you think is important about you.

00:38:41.580 Listen, I mean, to start judging people by the color of their skin or their religion was

00:38:46.580 a bad idea 50, 60, 70 years ago.

00:38:50.580 And it's still a bad idea.

00:38:52.580 And you can call it what you want.

00:38:53.580 You can dress it up as you want.

00:38:55.580 But it's still a bad idea.

00:38:56.580 And I will continue fighting for individual rights.

00:38:59.580 I tell you, Sam, I am so impressed with, and I've learned so much here today.

00:39:04.580 And I'm still a little, you know, I'm very proud and excited to have a venture on Rebel News.

00:39:13.580 I bet you're going to get some sort of complaint.

00:39:15.580 Even me.

00:39:16.580 I bet you're going to get a complaint about it.

00:39:17.580 So you're saying that the big election was last year, and it's a four-year term.

00:39:21.580 Yes.

00:39:22.580 Do you think that there'll be a counter-revolution?

00:39:26.580 Do you think that the other side is going to regroup and try and beat you guys in the

00:39:32.580 next election?

00:39:33.580 Or have they said, okay, maybe we were wrong?

00:39:35.580 You're good at this.

00:39:37.580 I don't know.

00:39:38.580 I'm just wondering.

00:39:39.580 No, no.

00:39:40.580 You know, it's a good question again.

00:39:42.580 From what I understand, I think there will be organization against us.

00:39:49.580 I think they will run their own slate.

00:39:52.580 We're always looking for donations to run the campaign for next year, the Stop the Sop slate.

00:39:57.580 What's your website?

00:39:58.580 You know what?

00:39:59.580 I think it's StopSop.com or StopSop.ca.

00:40:01.580 We'll check it out.

00:40:02.580 We'll put it on the screen.

00:40:03.580 But yes, I do think there'll be pushback.

00:40:05.580 I think, you know, when we won, the Malcolm Mercer Treasurer and other people sort of dismissed

00:40:10.580 us as some sort of fluke, right, in the electoral system.

00:40:14.580 And they said, oh, you don't really represent the majority of people.

00:40:17.580 I mean, you just told me Klippenstein got more votes than anyone else in Toronto.

00:40:21.580 Yeah.

00:40:22.580 And interesting enough, Malcolm Mercer, you know, remember, there are 20 lawyers from

00:40:26.580 Toronto.

00:40:27.580 Malcolm Mercer came in 20th.

00:40:28.580 Oh, and he's telling you and your team, you came in fifth, your buddy came in first,

00:40:33.580 and he's criticizing your credibility.

00:40:35.580 Yeah.

00:40:36.580 Top five people in Toronto were all Slate.

00:40:39.580 All five of the top five.

00:40:41.580 Yeah.

00:40:42.580 As a matter of fact, all ten, I believe.

00:40:43.580 And he's calling that a fluke.

00:40:45.580 Yeah.

00:40:46.580 There's a Jewish word for that.

00:40:47.580 It's called Chutzpah.

00:40:48.580 In any case, I suspect that there will be, they may very well try and organize against

00:40:54.580 us and run their own slate, but bring it on.

00:40:57.580 Because I think, you know, I think there is a silent majority out there.

00:41:00.580 Well, and at least call it what it is, rival political ideas.

00:41:04.580 Yeah.

00:41:05.580 And I would rather have them in a slate defined by who they are than sort of sneak it through

00:41:10.580 like they were doing before.

00:41:11.580 Yeah.

00:41:12.580 Well, you know, I will admit that I'm a little, I mean, I think it's sad, really, that convocation

00:41:17.580 is going to be, is becoming politicized the way it is.

00:41:20.580 I actually don't think that's good for the profession in the long run, but I think it's

00:41:24.580 the reality of what's happened.

00:41:26.580 My one disagreement with you is I would say it was politicized.

00:41:29.580 Only now is it politically accountable.

00:41:33.580 Well, that's, look, it was certainly politicized and was politicized.

00:41:38.580 We didn't start it.

00:41:39.580 They started it.

00:41:40.580 Yeah.

00:41:41.580 Right.

00:41:42.580 And I agree with you there.

00:41:43.580 And our slate is a reaction.

00:41:44.580 It's a response to what they've, what they've done.

00:41:48.580 But going forward, I think we're going to, it will be continued to be politicized.

00:41:52.580 And I hope in our goal, my goal is to be able to win all seats, all 40 seats and next convocation.

00:42:00.580 And you're not imposing your ideology on people, the opposite.

00:42:04.580 You're 40 people to say, we don't want an imposition of politics on us.

00:42:08.580 Let's just go practice law.

00:42:10.580 Yeah.

00:42:11.580 Because the law, you know, there's a misconception in what's happened through this politicization

00:42:15.580 of it.

00:42:16.580 And through Malcolm Mercer trying to argue that there's an expanded mandate for the law society,

00:42:21.580 is you've been able to incorporate all this, all these politics into all this sort of illiberal

00:42:26.580 ideology.

00:42:27.580 But the reality is it's a regulatory body.

00:42:29.580 Yeah.

00:42:30.580 If you want to go out and change the world, then run for office, run for public office.

00:42:34.580 The law saw, as I said before, its fundamental core mandate is to make sure that lawyers are

00:42:40.580 competent and lawyers are ethical.

00:42:41.580 Yeah.

00:42:42.580 And that's all there is to it.

00:42:43.580 Yeah.

00:42:44.580 It's not a political, it's not a political platform.

00:42:45.580 No.

00:42:46.580 Very interesting.

00:42:47.580 Well, I've learned so much here today.

00:42:49.580 And the number one thing I've learned is that sometimes you can hope, sometimes you can

00:42:53.580 beat City Hall or in this case, something much fancier than City Hall.

00:42:56.580 The Law Society.

00:42:57.580 Listen, it's great to have you here.

00:43:00.580 Was there anything else you wanted to tell us?

00:43:01.580 Because I know you got some notes and you were reviewing them.

00:43:04.580 Did we cover the waterfront?

00:43:05.580 You covered the basics.

00:43:06.580 Look, there's more to talk about.

00:43:08.580 I think fundamentally these diversity ideology is bad for the law. 0.99

00:43:13.580 It's eroding the presumption of innocence.

00:43:15.580 But maybe that's a conversation for another time.

00:43:18.580 Well, let me give you a standing invitation to help us understand the law.

00:43:24.580 And I think you elocute it very well.

00:43:27.580 I think our people are interested in law.

00:43:29.580 We do some law in our own way here at Rebel News.

00:43:32.580 I believe in some ways we're transforming into a public interest law firm.

00:43:36.580 We're fighting for free speech.

00:43:38.580 We're standing up for people that we think are neglected.

00:43:43.580 In fact, our legal expense is our second largest expense here at Rebel News.

00:43:47.580 And I don't even mind because I think we're fighting the good fight.

00:43:49.580 Well, Ezra, I said off camera that I think a great loss for the legal profession is that you became a journalist and not a lawyer.

00:43:56.580 You're a very bright guy.

00:43:57.580 You're very eloquent.

00:43:58.580 You would have made a great litigator.

00:43:59.580 You would have made a great member of our slate and a bencher.

00:44:02.580 Well, it's very nice of you to say those things in our own way.

00:44:06.580 I think we are practicing some of the ideas that you've outlined there.

00:44:10.580 But invite me back.

00:44:11.580 I'll talk about the law.

00:44:12.580 Listen, standing invitation.

00:44:13.580 We should make this a regular thing.

00:44:15.580 Our viewers are interested in the law and especially from your point of view.

00:44:20.580 Great to have you here.

00:44:21.580 Thank you very much.

00:44:22.580 All right.

00:44:23.580 Cheers.

00:44:24.580 Sam Goldstein, the leading force behind Stop Salt and a bencher of the Law Society of Ontario.

00:44:32.580 And I learned that his freedom slate just swept it.

00:44:38.580 Isn't that amazing?

00:44:39.580 All right.

00:44:40.580 Stay tuned.

00:44:41.580 More ahead.

00:44:49.580 What do you think of my thoughts on globalization?

00:44:52.580 That's just the mechanics of it.

00:44:54.580 I didn't even talk about globalism, which I absolutely reject.

00:44:57.580 That sort of one world government.

00:44:59.580 It's the ideology behind globalization.

00:45:02.580 It's the United Nations.

00:45:03.580 It's the European Union.

00:45:05.580 It's these supranational organizations that don't have to answer to anybody.

00:45:10.580 I think most of us are agreed that globalism is wrong, but globalization of trade and travel,

00:45:17.580 maybe it's not quite all it's cracked up to be either.

00:45:21.580 I'm interested in your thoughts.

00:45:22.580 I was blue skying and brainstorming there.

00:45:25.580 But send me your thoughts to Ezra at rebelnews.com.

00:45:27.580 Until tomorrow.

00:45:28.580 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:45:32.580 Thank you for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - March 11, 2020

Does the Coronavirus prove that globalization was a bad idea？

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