Rebel News Podcast - Erin O’Toole goes full cancel culture, fires MP Derek Sloan

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I'll tell you the sorry tale of Aaron O'Toole acting like a good liberal.

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00:00:55.740 Tonight, Aaron O'Toole goes full cancel culture and fires an MP without even talking to him

00:01:13.540 because leftists on Twitter told him to. It's January 19th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:19.420 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:25.220 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:29.280 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's

00:01:33.680 my bloody right to do so.

00:01:40.120 Today is the ninth day in a row that Aaron O'Toole, the leader of the Conservative Party,

00:01:44.240 has read word for word from the Liberal Party's script for him. He has said nine days running now

00:01:51.640 that he doesn't tolerate the far right or things that are Trump-like. He has no room for racist or

00:01:58.480 sexist or anti-gay people. He's done emotional Facebook posts about this. His communication staff

00:02:06.800 have been busy giving off-the-record interviews to liberal media across the country about him.

00:02:12.420 Nine days of talking about racism in the Conservative Party, the Liberal Party. Can't believe their luck.

00:02:19.300 They're the ones with the leader who has done blackface more times than he can remember.

00:02:25.000 They're the ones who sacked the first Indigenous justice minister in history for the sin of being 1.00

00:02:30.280 too ethical because Jody Wilson-Raybould didn't want to go along with Trudeau's corrupt scheme for

00:02:35.420 SNC-Lavalin and let them off the hook for a criminal prosecution for corruption. Seriously,

00:02:40.220 they fired her for being too honest. I don't think it was because she was Indigenous. Trudeau probably 1.00

00:02:46.200 would have fired anyone who got in his way. But it's just another proof point that all this talk

00:02:50.980 about Trudeau being a feminist, being pro-Indigenous, whatever, it's just spin. I mean,

00:02:55.480 that feminist stuff? This is the guy who sexually assaulted a female reporter in Creston, BC named

00:03:01.520 Rose Knight. And he just said, well, you know, she experienced it differently. That's exactly what

00:03:08.420 Harvey Weinstein's defense was. Take a listen. Like I said, I've been working very hard to try and

00:03:14.760 piece it together. And even when the original editorial came out at the time,

00:03:23.900 I was fairly confident. I was very confident that I hadn't acted in a way that I felt was in any way

00:03:32.800 inappropriate. But like I said, part of the lesson that we all have to learn through this

00:03:37.860 is respecting that the same interactions can be felt very differently by different people going

00:03:48.360 through them. I don't think anyone believes Trudeau on race anymore either. I mean, when he's off script,

00:03:53.200 he shows his contempt for actual Indigenous people. Here's some people from an Indian band up north 0.99

00:03:59.020 with poisoned water trying to ask a question at a fancy donor's reception. Trudeau laughed in their

00:04:05.500 faces as they were ushered out. Remember this? That we invest in the middle class and in people

00:04:12.800 working hard to join it. Thank you very much. Thank you for being here tonight. Thank you.

00:04:17.580 Thank you for being here. Thank you very much for your donation tonight. I really appreciate the

00:04:29.500 donation to the Liberal Party of Canada. And as we know, the Liberal Party is filled with different

00:04:38.320 perspectives and different opinions and we respect them all. And our commitment to reconciliation

00:04:42.400 continues to be strong and committed and we will continue to engage. Thank you, sir, for your

00:04:49.200 donation to the Liberal Party of Canada. I really appreciate you being here tonight. Thank you for

00:04:54.100 being here. That is why we are moving forward on reconciliation in a real and tangible way.

00:05:00.060 Thank you, sir. Thank you for being here tonight. Thank you for highlighting how important reconciliation

00:05:05.640 is. Thank you for being here tonight, sir. Thank you very much for your donation to the Liberal Party.

00:05:11.660 And don't forget this shocking confession before he was even Prime Minister that he deliberately set

00:05:16.240 out to humiliate Senator Patrick Brazeau by using his Indigenous heritage against him.

00:05:22.500 You know, the side bets sort of happened almost organically. Pat sent me an email. He said,

00:05:28.440 let's make it, sent me a tweet. Let's make it interesting. Let's put, put some, you know,

00:05:33.260 some pride on the, on the line. The loser will wear a, uh, uh, uh, the opposing party's, uh, jersey for,

00:05:39.280 for a day or for a week. I said, okay, you know, that's, that's something we can do, but it doesn't

00:05:44.060 quite seem to the level of, you know, the, the event we're doing. I mean, any, after any playoff game,

00:05:50.280 you have an opposing mayor wearing a jersey. So I said, you know, we're both known for our long hair

00:05:54.540 on the hill. Uh, let's, let's say the loser gets a haircut. Um, he resisted back a little bit,

00:05:59.860 you know, pointing out that hair has a cultural significance for first nations peoples. And I

00:06:04.420 said, uh, I know that's why I proposed it. When a warrior cuts his hair, it's a sign of shame. So

00:06:09.280 it's, uh, it's very apropos. So yeah, Trudeau is a racist. I've just given you the proof.

00:06:15.260 Aaron O'Toole is not racist and neither is the conservative party, but for some reason it was

00:06:20.220 O'Toole who spent the last nine days talking about racism. And instead of a dozen pressing issues,

00:06:27.160 he should be talking about relating to the overlapping crises we're in. Imagine that lack

00:06:32.900 of discipline to talk for nine days about racism in your own party rather than, you know,

00:06:38.520 oppose Justin Trudeau's liberal government. That's O'Toole's official job description. It's

00:06:42.800 his job title, leader of the official opposition. Has he done that? Well, nine days just promised to be

00:06:50.300 a month because bizarrely last night O'Toole announced that he was firing Derek Sloan,

00:06:57.360 a popular conservative MP and a former rival to O'Toole in last year's leadership race. I say

00:07:02.920 Sloan is popular because he was well-received in the conservative party leadership race.

00:07:08.260 He obviously didn't win, but he raised a lot of money. That's one measure of popularity.

00:07:13.060 I think he won every policy debate. And he ended respectably in terms of vote count.

00:07:21.240 The liberals and the media hated him, but like I say, that's their job. It's a good sign.

00:07:26.520 Sloan criticized Trudeau on the issues of the day, including the hapless leadership of Theresa Tam,

00:07:32.280 the public health officer who once daydreamed about locking up Canadians in internment camps

00:07:37.460 if they defy public health commands.

00:07:39.840 I think the public has to know this is one of the worst case scenarios in terms of an

00:07:45.360 infectious disease outbreak in that their cooperation is sought. If there are people

00:07:50.920 who are non-compliant, there are definitely laws and public health powers that can quarantine people

00:07:59.300 in mandatory settings. It's potential you could track people, put bracelets on their arms,

00:08:07.380 have police and other setups to ensure quarantine is undertaken.

00:08:13.560 Sloan's criticism of Tam was very specific. One of his criticisms was that Tam worked

00:08:19.200 for the United Nations World Health Organization, which, as you may know, is controlled by China

00:08:24.020 at the same time as she was purporting to work as Canada's public health officer. But those two

00:08:29.740 things are in conflict. China's view and the UN's view is not Canada's view, at least not all the time.

00:08:35.920 Here's the World Health Organization tweet from almost exactly a year ago. Look at this.

00:08:41.600 Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence

00:08:46.340 of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus 2019 identified in Wuhan, China.

00:08:53.400 Well, now, that's not just false. It was a lie from China propagated by the World Health Organization.

00:08:59.480 But Theresa Tam worked for them while working for Canada. So obviously, she couldn't criticize her

00:09:06.640 boss at the World Health Organization, who signs her paycheck there. Seriously, was there any other

00:09:11.540 country in the world, besides China, I guess, that allowed their country's own public health officer

00:09:16.480 to work for the China-controlled World Health Organization while purporting to represent our own

00:09:22.440 national interests too? That's nuts. And no, don't tell me that's racist. It's not.

00:09:27.760 China is a country. You can criticize it without being racist. And by the way,

00:09:33.380 Derek Sloan's own family, they're visible minorities. That man is not a racist. So

00:09:38.760 here's what happened. When Sloan ran for party leader, he raised money online like all the

00:09:43.440 candidates do. And the party takes a cut of all the sales of the Conservative Party of Canada

00:09:47.640 from all the leadership candidates, I should tell you. And they process the names, the party did,

00:09:52.920 because remember, these candidates weren't just raising money for themselves. They were selling

00:09:56.980 party memberships. And Sloan raised 1.3 million bucks in donations and memberships. That's pretty

00:10:03.640 huge. But amongst that pile of donations, 1.3 million, was a $131 donation from a guy named

00:10:10.960 Frederick P. Fromm. Have you heard of Frederick P. Fromm? Of course you haven't. No one has. He's just a guy.

00:10:18.400 One of what? I don't know. 10,000 donors to Sloan? And like I say, he signed up through Sloan's

00:10:24.240 website. But it was a membership of the Conservative Party itself that was in question. That's why you're

00:10:30.500 supporting Sloan, to be the leader of the party. All the leadership candidates were selling the same

00:10:35.380 thing. Conservative Party memberships, Conservative Party donations. All of them were offering the tax

00:10:39.800 credit of the Conservative Party. If I understand the rules right, I think I do. So no one knew who

00:10:44.720 Frederick P. Fromm was. And who cares? No party, no candidate vets the identity of the hundreds of

00:10:52.040 thousands of donors who contribute online to Canadian parties. It's just not done. How could

00:10:57.280 it be? And by the way, for years now, there's been a limit around $1,200. It's not like there's

00:11:02.680 $100,000 donors that you woo. I mean, everyone's a small fish these days. Well, the Left Wing Broadband

00:11:09.820 Institute, which publishes a propaganda website called Press Progress, they found that tidbit

00:11:15.840 about Frederick P. Fromm, presumably, from Elections Canada's disclosure of political

00:11:21.220 donations. And they made a big fuss about it. But like I said, how big a fuss is it anyways?

00:11:27.200 Sloan doesn't endorse the 10,000 people who donated to him. He didn't know them all. I doubt he knows

00:11:32.560 there's more than 1,000 of them. When Sloan was asked about it and told who Frederick P. Fromm

00:11:39.460 really is, that he's actually better known as Paul Fromm, a well-known racist, well, Sloan immediately

00:11:48.340 asked the party to refund the money to Fromm. Okay. But look at Aaron O'Toole's reaction. He took a

00:11:54.940 non-story from a bad-faith left-wing political attack site, and he approved of the story. He

00:12:02.040 normalized it. He accepted its premise and granted it legitimacy as a real news story. It wasn't.

00:12:09.960 But when the person who should be the goalie pushing back, or really just ignore it, I mean,

00:12:16.420 let some cranks on Twitter have it, when the leader of the party accepts it as a problem, how can the

00:12:21.420 media, including left-wing attack sites, not proceed with enthusiasm? O'Toole should have

00:12:25.800 ignored the non-story. That's what liberals would have done. I posted the other day this tweet from

00:12:33.080 liberal MP in Toronto named Adam Vaughn. I saved it because he deleted it. It was a really weird tweet,

00:12:40.980 really creepy, about Catholics being pedophiles or something, just bigotry, apropos of nothing.

00:12:47.140 Vaughn hates Catholics, and he doesn't feel shy about publicizing his feelings. You know,

00:12:51.140 if your party leader puts on blackface and gropes women and gets away with it, it sort of sends a

00:12:56.600 message to the rest of the team of what's acceptable. So after loving and promoting that

00:13:01.880 tweet against Catholics for a few days, he just deleted it. No apology, no retraction, no

00:13:07.460 humiliation, no Trudeau groveling or saying, I swear I'm not a bigot. In fact, when Vaughn finally

00:13:13.780 deleted the tweet, he implied it was unfair that he had to because people were reacting wrong to it,

00:13:18.120 not a drop of penance because they're liberals. But more importantly, because they didn't make a

00:13:23.540 fuss about it, O'Toole, on the other hand, took the ball from press progress and then ran so hard

00:13:28.460 towards their own net to score. O'Toole took the issue and made it his issue. He kicked it up. He

00:13:36.220 escalated it. Trudeau is much smarter than that. O'Toole went online, which he thinks is real life,

00:13:43.320 and he denounced Sloan. This is what he said.

00:13:45.280 Derek Sloan's acceptance of a donation from a well-known white supremacist is far worse than a

00:13:51.080 gross error of judgment or failure of due diligence. Really? Is F.P. Fromm well known? If so, why didn't

00:13:59.840 the Conservative Party of Canada itself catch it? They sold him their membership. They processed all 0.93

00:14:04.680 this. They took a cut of his donation, apparently. Worse than the gross error of judgment? What's worse

00:14:09.820 than that? What's Aaron O'Toole saying? Well, he's saying that he was going to fire Sloan. He was going

00:14:16.140 to kick him out of the caucus. He wouldn't let him run again. And then he ended with a slur implying

00:14:20.920 that Sloan himself was racist and had no place in the party. But according to Sloan, not only did he

00:14:26.740 and his volunteers have no clue about who this Frederick P. Fromm was, but when things hit the fan, O'Toole

00:14:33.900 did not even have the courtesy to pick up the phone to call him before firing him. Earlier today,

00:14:41.220 Aaron O'Toole made a statement to Press Progress that he would conduct a public undertaking

00:14:44.520 to find out what happened. Yet neither Aaron O'Toole nor anyone on the team made any effort to contact me.

00:14:52.000 Wow. Derek Sloan is going to fight this, he says. So this story will continue to explode for days

00:14:57.860 of about weeks. I'd be mad if I were Derek Sloan too. O'Toole essentially called Sloan a sneaky racist

00:15:04.780 when Sloan's explanation is much more plausible. It's a small donation, one of thousands. No one

00:15:11.280 knew the name. He refunded immediately once he knew. And O'Toole has plenty of time to talk to left-wing

00:15:17.020 hate sites, but he never even had the courtesy to call Sloan. And in fact, he called Sloan a racist.

00:15:23.860 I think that's the meaning of the last sentence in this statement. Yeah, I don't think that's a

00:15:28.900 winning argument against Derek Sloan. All of this is self-inflicted over nothing. And it sets a new

00:15:34.720 precedent. If some left-wing troll finds something that's, you know, the hypersensitive Twitter crowd

00:15:40.400 is mad about for 90 seconds, apparently Aaron O'Toole will drop everything he's doing and denounce

00:15:45.580 his own team, set up a circular firing squad. He's so easy to manipulate. I didn't see that coming.

00:15:50.940 If O'Toole doesn't like Derek Sloan, all right, that's fine. But when you're the leader of a

00:15:56.840 party of 121 MPs and 20 senators, his big team, you're going to have a lot of people you don't

00:16:01.780 like very much. And part of your job is to forge them together as a team. But it's weird because

00:16:09.200 O'Toole posted social media comments during the campaign implying that he wasn't in support of

00:16:14.640 canceling Sloan in particular. He mentioned Sloan by name. And of course, he specifically

00:16:20.540 campaigned against cancel culture itself. So even if you don't like Sloan, you've got to be appalled

00:16:26.960 by the way in which he was treated, not even the courtesy of a phone call by the leader. Why is O'Toole

00:16:32.100 and his staff so attuned to pleasing their enemies? I don't get it. It will not win a single vote over

00:16:37.340 from the left. But boy, will it demoralize the party. And even if Sloan has his share of enemies

00:16:42.200 in the party, he surely has enough friends or people who respect him, who will chafe at the

00:16:48.000 unfairness with which he's being dispatched. A good test to always ask yourself is this.

00:16:53.520 What does the Liberal Party think? What does the media party say about you? If they're pleased with

00:16:57.840 you, maybe it's a sign you're not doing it right. You want the liberals to be unhappy with you.

00:17:02.860 That's a sign you're winning. Here's Trudeau today, though. Trudeau pleased to see O'Toole attempt

00:17:08.940 to oust Sloan from caucus over donation. It's true. The left is loving it. Take a listen.

00:17:15.800 In the wake of what we see in the United States from the infiltration or the active presence of

00:17:23.740 fringe or extremist or violent or unacceptable or intolerant elements. And that's something that

00:17:29.100 we constantly need to work towards as all politicians in Canada, which is incidentally

00:17:35.260 why the Liberal Party has been calling for Aaron O'Toole to remove Derek Sloan from caucus for many,

00:17:41.360 many months now, following a number of unacceptable comments that he has made. We are pleased that

00:17:48.700 Aaron O'Toole has finally decided to take leadership. We'll see how that unfolds.

00:17:53.900 In our staff meeting here at Rebel News this morning, we talked a bit about this. And frankly,

00:17:57.320 I said to our team, I don't even like calling them the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:18:01.040 Because it feels like false advertising, just like saying the Canadian Civil Liberties Association

00:18:06.080 is false advertising when they don't lift a finger during the lockdown. I mean, if they are the

00:18:11.900 Conservative Party of Canada, where's the conservative part? I call them the party that stands for nothing.

00:18:18.760 Hmm. And if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything. Stay with us for more on this with Spencer Fernando.

00:18:37.400 Well, I should tell you, without disclosing any confidence, that today I spoke very briefly on the

00:18:41.760 phone with Derek Sloan himself. I invited him to come on the show to make his case. He gave me a very

00:18:46.960 thoughtful answer. He said he wants to make the case in the proper processes and that he will decline

00:18:52.760 to talk to us for now out of respect for the processes. He didn't use those exact words, but that

00:18:57.520 was his meaning. And I took two things from that. First of all, I always enjoy my conversations with

00:19:03.140 him. We interviewed him several times during the leadership race. And the second thing I took from

00:19:06.860 that, perhaps most obviously, is that he doesn't want to burn down the joint. He didn't pick this fight

00:19:14.600 with the Conservative Party. And it sounds like he wants to try and stay in the fold. He's not

00:19:20.660 torching the place on his way out. He's not fighting back wildly. I mean, it is true he put out a statement

00:19:27.200 with his position yesterday, which I think was incredibly important to rebut the slanders against

00:19:33.040 him. But he right now wants to work within the party system. The question is, how can Aaron O'Toole

00:19:39.600 back down without losing faith? Joining us now via Skype from Winnipeg is our favorite Winnipegger,

00:19:46.480 Spencer Fernando, the boss of spencerfernando.com. Not only one of the most thoughtful pundits out

00:19:51.640 there, but frankly, in terms of quick news, breaking news, you know you can go to spencerfernando.com

00:19:58.280 and he's going to have the news faster than just about anyone else. I really find that valuable.

00:20:03.340 Spencer, great to see you again.

00:20:05.480 Good talking to you.

00:20:06.140 Well, thanks for being here. You were all over this story. What do you make of the fact that,

00:20:11.940 I mean, it's a tiny little tidbit, but it sounds to me like Derek Sloan isn't looking to blow the

00:20:17.880 place up. He's not leaving in a pout. He wants to stay. I find that interesting.

00:20:24.940 Yeah, well, I think he's looking what happens to most other people when they get pushed out of a party

00:20:29.020 and then they try to run as an independent. They generally lose. I mean, Jody Wilson-Raybould was an

00:20:33.840 exception to that, but she had such a high national profile and she's a very good politician, 0.98

00:20:38.580 right? So she was able to survive that, but I mean, Jane Philpott didn't. We saw what happened

00:20:44.740 even with Maxine Bernier started his own party, but couldn't win his own seat. So I think he's

00:20:49.840 probably looking at that and saying, well, if he wants to stay in politics, his best chance is to

00:20:53.540 try to stay in the party.

00:20:54.360 I think you're right just from a pragmatic point of view. And of course, every politician

00:20:58.720 wants to win. They want to be reelected, not just because it's a pretty good job,

00:21:04.540 you know, financially, the perks, the status. But I think he actually wants, he has a message. I mean,

00:21:12.260 I thought he was by far the most detailed in terms of policy of the leadership candidates. And by the way,

00:21:18.900 I think it's absolutely fine to disagree with him or even to dislike him. But I think my main beef with

00:21:24.600 how Aaron O'Toole has handled this is that it's so obviously what some of my British friends would

00:21:30.940 call a stitch up. Like it was not, he didn't actually willfully engage with a white supremacist.

00:21:38.280 There's no way he knew the identity of Frederick P. Fromm, that that was actually Paul Fromm.

00:21:44.600 It was a small donation made to the party. The party accepted its cut, gave the guy a membership.

00:21:50.880 No one knew who Frederick P. Fromm was. And to throw him out without even talking to him and to

00:21:57.240 denounce him publicly, I think that even people who don't like Derek Sloan have got to be thinking,

00:22:03.900 whoa, that is bad practice. That's unfair. And if that's your new standard, get ready to lose a

00:22:10.540 dozen MPs when something bad is found on one of their minor donors too.

00:22:14.600 Yeah, I mean, I'm seeing a lot of people say that. And in many ways, that's kind of my thoughts.

00:22:19.280 I'm not a huge fan of Sloan's views on the LGBT community, for example. But this is obviously,

00:22:25.000 I mean, they're obviously trying to screw him over, right? Because if you look at what the party's

00:22:28.980 doing to him, I mean, let's look at when he was in trouble before, right? With what he said about

00:22:33.940 Teresa Tam, and then when he was criticized for his social conservative views. Well, what was Aaron O'Toole

00:22:38.680 doing when that happened? Aaron O'Toole was putting out ads saying, I'm the only person who's

00:22:42.920 defending Derek Sloan. I'm standing with him. He was trying to win the leadership,

00:22:47.680 right? So when Sloan was in trouble for other things, O'Toole was very glad to be seen as

00:22:53.660 Derek Sloan's best friend. Oh, yeah, I'm standing with him. I'm keeping him in the party. I'm not

00:22:58.340 going to let him get pushed out. And then all of a sudden, this thing, I mean, come on.

00:23:02.460 He got, what, like 13,000 donations or a whole bunch of donations. There's no way they're looking

00:23:08.320 at every one of them. The conservative party accepted it. And now we're seeing people, it

00:23:11.820 looks like on Twitter, talking about how it looks like Fromm might actually be a current member of

00:23:15.940 the party. You know, he might be registered to go to their convention. So nobody in the party saw a

00:23:21.420 problem with any of this. Nobody recognized the name. But oh, all of a sudden, now Derek Sloan's got

00:23:26.120 to go because look what we found out. And it's, I think what bothers people is, you know, Aaron O'Toole,

00:23:32.160 if you really want it to be credible, there's things he could have, he could say, I don't like

00:23:35.620 Derek Sloan's views on certain issues. I don't think he fits in the party. But at least have the guts to

00:23:40.180 just be honest and say that. But to try to screw somebody over in this way, I think it just looks

00:23:43.940 gross to people. Well, yeah. And because there's a, you know, the whole idea of law, one of the first

00:23:49.380 things they taught us in law school was his Latin phrase stare decisis, which means stand by the

00:23:54.240 precedent. Another way of saying that is everybody should know the law so they have some safety

00:24:00.000 security. What are the rules? You got to know the rules if you want to play a game. And to bring in

00:24:05.760 a new crazy rule that if some anonymous guy donates, like Paul Fromm didn't walk up to Derek

00:24:13.620 Sloan and say, here's 131 bucks. He went on the website, typed in the credit card number, and it was

00:24:19.020 processed immediately, I'm sure. So it's like someone on Twitter, if you retweet someone on

00:24:27.080 Twitter, I mean, maybe you should be careful, I don't know. But if five years ago, that guy said

00:24:31.560 something kooky, to hang that around your neck, like it's so remote from Derek Sloan willfully doing

00:24:41.700 something white supremacist. And by the way, I should point out that Sloan's wife and kids are visible

00:24:46.300 minorities. The guy clearly is not a racist. I mean, his own family is of minority background.

00:24:55.020 I guess my point about stare decisis and knowing the rules is this feels like a whimsical rule. And

00:25:00.000 now everyone in the caucus is probably saying, well, am I going to be thrown under the bus next

00:25:03.820 by some troll digging up someone who donated me five years ago? I mean, it just feels capricious.

00:25:10.740 And it's like an invitation to press progress and the NDP and the liberals to dig up fake scandals,

00:25:18.160 because now that's how low Aaron O'Toole's standards are for sacking someone.

00:25:23.840 Yeah. And to go after someone in this way, too, I mean, it's one thing to say, oh, I think he's too

00:25:27.820 socially conservative or he's not a team player. And then you, I mean, you shouldn't push someone out

00:25:32.280 for that, but you could make the argument, right? So he pushes him out for that. Okay. And Derek Sloan's

00:25:37.380 political career on the conservatives ends because he's too socially conservative or whatever.

00:25:41.940 That's not going to destroy Derek Sloan forever. Right. But to push someone out on an issue where

00:25:47.500 you're saying, oh, look, they accepted a neo-Nazi donation, right? That's, that's, you know,

00:25:52.600 the kind of thing that that follows someone around for the rest of their life. People look that up on

00:25:56.480 the internet. Oh, Derek Sloan, what's he about? Oh, he got kicked out of the conservative party for

00:26:00.160 accepting a neo-Nazi support. So when you're willing to destroy somebody in that way, and when it's so

00:26:06.260 obviously dishonest, I think that's pretty disgusting. And I think your point about other

00:26:10.680 conservative MPs, I'm sure last night, a whole bunch of conservative MPs were calling up their

00:26:16.460 EDA saying, hey guys, you want to send me a list of everybody who's donated in the past few years?

00:26:21.280 I just want to take a look and see what names are on there. And a lot of them must be saying,

00:26:24.980 you know, if I get in trouble, what, is there going to be a bad press progress article about other

00:26:28.720 MPs? And then Aaron O'Toole's going to say, well, see you later, your career's over. I think a lot of

00:26:33.180 might be having some second thoughts about this. Yeah. You know, I got a question for you. I mean,

00:26:37.460 you mentioned, and I've just been thinking about this since you mentioned a minute ago,

00:26:40.700 during the leadership campaign, Aaron O'Toole made some good noises about fighting against

00:26:45.220 cancel culture. I remember when he stood up for Derek Sloan, I was a little bit impressed, I admit.

00:26:50.360 He had a whole bunch of social media posts during the campaign about, he specifically used that phrase,

00:26:56.400 cancel culture, which is something that conservatives, it's like, he was really signaling,

00:27:00.520 hey guys, I'm for free speech, I'm for fighting back against wokeness. He did an interview during

00:27:07.420 the campaign with Andrew Lawton, where he discussed this issue. He even talked to our rebel reporter,

00:27:14.060 Kian Bexte, sort of ending the boycott. So I had some good vibes there. And I mean, forget about us,

00:27:21.480 take rebel news out of the picture for a minute. Just on his own terms, Aaron O'Toole really laid down

00:27:27.500 a good track record of, or a paper record of supporting free speech and not bowing into

00:27:34.140 cancel culture. And wham! In the last nine days, that has gone out the door so hard.

00:27:40.880 And I'm wondering, is this the same guy? Did he mean it? Did he even write those things? Was that

00:27:46.560 just a way to get the leadership and now he's pivoting to the center? Like I'm trying, I have

00:27:51.900 whiplash, reconciling his repeated calls to fight against cancel culture with what I think can only

00:27:59.160 be called cancel culture. Help me unscramble that omelet, Spencer.

00:28:04.600 Yeah, well, generally the most simple explanation I think is the right one. Not in every case, of course,

00:28:09.300 but often. And the most simple explanation here is that he's doing whatever serves his immediate

00:28:14.380 political interests, right? So he ran for the leadership previously and lost, came in third.

00:28:21.200 He ran as a moderate conservative then, didn't win. He ran the second time. And it really looks

00:28:26.300 like basically what he did is it's as if he just researched all the keywords that he felt would

00:28:30.440 trigger conservatives into supporting him and then said that over and over again. And it worked. I mean,

00:28:34.900 he did win, right? I mean, even people like me were saying, oh, this looks pretty good for O'Toole.

00:28:38.460 Uh, and then, so that served his interest then as did helping Derek Sloan. Uh, but now his interest

00:28:44.920 he feels is served in not doing that stuff and being against Derek Sloan. So that's what he's

00:28:49.540 doing. So that seems kind of like the explanation to me. The problem is, you know, he may feel he's

00:28:54.140 going to gain some votes for that, but I think conservatives are looking at this and saying,

00:28:57.240 were we supposed to believe you the first time you ran or the second time you ran, or now when

00:29:03.400 you're presenting a different face, you know, what is real? And if you won't stand up for,

00:29:07.740 you know, your own people when they get in trouble, uh, are you going to stand up for

00:29:10.920 conservatives or stand up for what conservatives believe? I mean, we see all this stuff with

00:29:15.000 lockdowns, with, uh, the expansion of government power and authority far beyond what people really

00:29:20.200 expect it would be happening with social media censorship, uh, you know, free speech and the

00:29:25.240 conservative party doesn't seem to have much to say about that all of a sudden. So I think a lot

00:29:28.840 of people are wondering, you know, what's, what's really going on here? Well, yeah, I mean,

00:29:32.600 it's been nine days in a row that the party's been talking about its own navel, you know,

00:29:38.640 navel gazing, uh, very destructively nine days that we could have been talking about the lockdown.

00:29:44.340 If you believe in vaccines, how poorly Trudeau is distributing them, big tech censorship,

00:29:50.620 Keystone Excel, the last few, like there's a lot of things to talk about, but instead of the parties

00:29:54.640 having this bonfire, I have a prediction and I'd like your thoughts on this. If you agree or disagree,

00:29:59.700 I think that this is demoralizing to the party base. Um, even, even those who didn't like Derek

00:30:07.640 Sloan, because it feels cancel culture, it feels giving into the media. The last time I checked the,

00:30:13.000 uh, opinion poll aggregator, uh, that I go to, the conservatives were around 30, 31%. So enough

00:30:21.300 for a respectable showing, but certainly not going to win. I fear that this nine day bonfire that's going

00:30:28.560 to continue because Sloan's fighting this. I think it's going to take 5% off the Tory vote and it's

00:30:35.700 not necessarily going to go to the liberals. It's just Tories who are saying, yeah, I don't care

00:30:39.420 anymore. I'm not motivated anymore. And by the way, if the conservatives can't get their own house

00:30:44.020 together, how could they get our country together? I think that far from being a vote winner that O'Toole

00:30:51.100 thinks maybe some liberals are going to come running to support him. I think this is going to be

00:30:55.340 his own version of the people's party shaving off some votes to his right. And there, I don't think

00:31:02.380 the people's party is a, is a force right now, but this has the same demoralizing splittist feeling.

00:31:08.500 That's my, uh, hypothesis, that's my prediction, a loss of several points in the next opinion poll.

00:31:14.180 What do you think of that prediction? Yeah, I think there's a lot of truth to that. Uh, I think the

00:31:19.360 issue that O'Toole faces is, you know, one that Trudeau will always be able to be more progressive

00:31:25.920 than him, right? So if O'Toole keeps moving towards the center, well, Trudeau will move more to the

00:31:30.800 left and the center will thus change, right? So O'Toole will keep chasing Trudeau to the center

00:31:35.320 and the center will keep moving to the left and Trudeau will always be able to do that more.

00:31:39.900 And, you know, I know people don't like hearing this. It sounds superficial, but Trudeau is also

00:31:43.380 always going to be more photogenic than Aaron O'Toole, right? So if you have two people competing

00:31:48.300 to be the most progressive, well, the guy who looks better on TV, it's probably going to have

00:31:52.600 a better chance. And then again, conservatives, they may not have really another party to go to.

00:31:57.400 Yes, they can go to the PC. Uh, they're not going to probably win too many seats. We'll see what

00:32:01.400 happens. Things could change, but it's the issue of staying home. And we saw this with the liberals

00:32:05.760 back when Stephen Harper was winning, you know, the conservative vote from the first,

00:32:10.340 I guess the first minority they won to their majority didn't really change all that much,

00:32:15.620 but the liberal vote collapsed, especially under the Fandian and the Michael Gnadev. So

00:32:19.800 it's not just about, you know, are you adding votes or losing votes to another party? A lot of

00:32:25.360 conservatives would just say, you know what, all these parties seem like they're the same. Maybe

00:32:28.800 I'll stay home and see if it changes next time. So I think that's a big threat for the conservatives.

00:32:33.380 Well, more and more, I think keeping the flame of these ideas alive falls to independent voices

00:32:39.340 outside the party structure, including yours, Spencer. It's always great to catch up with

00:32:43.260 you via Skype. I highly recommend to all my friends, spencerfernando.com, based in Winnipeg,

00:32:49.400 a Western view, a conservative view, thoughtful, very thoughtful view. And like I said earlier,

00:32:54.740 one of the fastest to catch the news headlines and give a thoughtful analysis. Great to see you.

00:32:59.960 Thanks for being here. All right. Appreciate it. All right. There you have it,

00:33:02.980 Spencer Fernando. Stay with us. More.

00:33:04.360 Hey, welcome back to my show last night. George writes, Alberta should become an American state.

00:33:21.320 Then there would be no border issue. Hey, we could also stop financing Trudeau and Quebec socialist

00:33:26.500 programs and keep more of the profits. A win, win, win. Yeah. Imagine what Biden would do,

00:33:31.780 a state of Alberta, but it would have more rights than it has as a province in Canada.

00:33:37.520 See the rights. It's horrible that no one can protest peacefully. Taking that right away. It's

00:33:43.180 not a protest if you follow all the rules you don't agree with. I was very angry at Torrey's

00:33:48.100 friend comment when I saw it a couple of weeks ago. You know what? I think that protests should be

00:33:53.600 peaceful. Those protests over the weekend were peaceful. The fact that police said, okay, time's up,

00:33:59.980 move on. Sorry. That's not how we roll in Canada. Police don't make that decision.

00:34:05.660 Gilly writes, the images seem like scenes from a movie. How can this be real? How can this happen

00:34:10.400 in Canada? How could we all turn on each other so quickly and easily? That's the part I hate the

00:34:14.660 most about the lockdown is it pits shopkeepers against customers, pits people against each other

00:34:20.160 on the street. Masks are now a source of quarrels. Police are being turned into versions of the

00:34:26.780 Stasi secret police. Police actually busting into private homes. That's the worst thing that's

00:34:31.860 being done to us. Well, we'll fight back with civil liberties lawyers. You know we will.

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Rebel News Podcast - January 20, 2021

Erin O’Toole goes full cancel culture, fires MP Derek Sloan

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