Rebel News Podcast - October 14, 2026


EZRA LEVANT | Andy Burnham was once flagged by a government disinformation unit. Now he's building one

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00:00:00.420 Hello, my friends. The UK has just announced their biggest anti-disinformation center ever.
00:00:08.300 Millions of pounds going to be spent spying on their own people. I'll show you though,
00:00:13.520 it's not just in the UK, it's already happening here in Canada. That's ahead.
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00:00:51.280 Tonight, Britain's new Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, has ordered his spy chiefs to build
00:00:56.820 a National Center for Information Defense to fight disinformation.
00:01:02.700 The last unit like it flagged Andy Burnham himself.
00:01:06.720 It's October 13th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:09.020 You're fighting for freedom!
00:01:12.220 Shame on you, you sensorism bug!
00:01:24.320 Let me take you to New York three weeks ago.
00:01:26.320 United Nations General Assembly. Andy Burnham, the new Labour Prime Minister of the United
00:01:31.400 Kingdom, the man who replaced Keir Starmer this summer, he gives his first speech to
00:01:35.880 the world.
00:01:36.880 Today, I am asking our security chiefs in the UK to begin work on a new national centre
00:01:44.700 for information defence, to detect, attribute and disrupt these kinds of hostile state information
00:01:53.820 attacks to support and defend our democracy. Detect, attribute, disrupt. Now, I want to be
00:02:01.780 fair to him. Russia does run bot farms. Russia does build fake news websites. In 2019, someone 0.94
00:02:08.700 really did dump a stack of leaked British trade documents onto Reddit before the election,
00:02:13.460 and the British government said it was almost certainly Russians. Nobody serious denies that
00:02:17.580 hostile states play these games. And I'm guessing our side does too. If this were a counter
00:02:24.440 intelligence unit chasing foreign spies, I really wouldn't have anything to say against it. But
00:02:30.140 listen to what he said in the minute before his big announcement. This is from the official
00:02:35.180 transcript on the British government's own website. There is no national security without a strong
00:02:41.440 cohesive society. Really? Cohesive? Keep that word in mind. They've amplified far-right
00:02:50.000 narratives. Far-right. So that's the problem. Not the forged documents, not fake websites,
00:02:57.860 narratives, opinions. That's the problem. And then this. Over the last decade, we have given
00:03:04.440 too much ground to those who want to run a negative, corrosive narrative about life in
00:03:09.100 Britain. Well, no more. Well, no more. That's the prime minister of a country where you can be
00:03:14.440 arrested for a Facebook post telling the whole world he's done tolerating people who were
00:03:18.880 negative or critical about Britain, or at least his version of Britain. He even told you who the
00:03:24.420 problem people are. If you're struggling with the cost of living, he said, if you're young and out
00:03:28.780 of work, he said, then you are, quote, much more vulnerable to this kind of influence. You see what
00:03:33.780 he's doing here? If you think the country is going downhill, you're not just a citizen with an
00:03:38.500 opinion. You are a victim of Putin. You're a puppet of Putin. You need protecting from your
00:03:45.040 own thoughts. I mean, why not just do away with the official opposition? They're so very negative,
00:03:49.640 aren't they? Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK, he saw this in about an hour.
00:03:54.280 So Andy Burnham's latest ruse is to launch a National Center for Information Defense to stop
00:04:00.340 disinformation. Now, of course, they're using the excuse that Russia wants to interfere with
00:04:05.660 elections be in no doubt there are bots online they come from Russia they come from India and
00:04:11.440 elsewhere that do try to influence our thinking and that's not a good piece of news but you know
00:04:18.640 what will happen with this government already he said it's to stop far-right tropes etc this will
00:04:25.080 be like George Orwell's Ministry of Information this will be used to clamp down on free speech
00:04:33.100 And the one lesson I'm learning as time goes on, whether it's funding of parties, whether it's cancelling elections, is never, ever trust this authoritarian government.
00:04:44.400 And the government's answer? Well, here's the Defence Secretary, Wes Streeting, the next morning on GB News.
00:04:49.340 By the way, the Secretary of Defence doesn't really have a lot of defensive assets anymore.
00:04:53.580 Most of the Royal Navy is in port for repairs, but he's ready to battle on the ground.
00:04:59.620 in the UK. He said, quote, we're not interested in policing domestic political dissent. We're not
00:05:04.700 interested. Okay, let me show you how interested they've been so far, because this isn't Britain's 0.89
00:05:09.140 first Ministry of Truth. It's about the fifth. Here's a report from a British civil liberties
00:05:14.100 group called Big Brother Watch, January 23. The title is Ministry of Truth. They use freedom of
00:05:22.200 information requests to find out what Britain's existing anti-disinformation units were actually
00:05:28.200 doing during COVID. The units had names like the rapid response unit and the counter disinformation
00:05:34.600 unit set up, they said, to fight disinformation. And who did they catch? Peter Hitchens, the great
00:05:41.320 historian and columnist, David Davis, a conservative MP who was flagged for saying vaccine passports
00:05:47.480 were discriminatory. Professor Carl Henehan of Oxford flagged for an article asking whether the
00:05:53.820 rule of six was arbitrary. That's the rule that banned gatherings of more than six people during
00:05:59.200 COVID. Julia Hartley Brewer, a famous broadcaster, was flagged for tweeting about a woman harmed by
00:06:05.040 the care home policy. And one more, there was this labor politician who was written up in a rapid
00:06:11.500 response unit report for opposing local lockdowns in his city. He just happened to be the mayor of
00:06:17.440 Manchester. His name is Andy Burnham. That's right. The man who's building the biggest
00:06:21.900 disinformation unit in British history was himself on a disinformation unit's list for
00:06:28.120 disagreeing with the government. And now he is the government. He was disinformation once. Now
00:06:33.600 he decides who is. That's the thing about disinformation, isn't it? It's basically an
00:06:37.520 insult you throw at your opponents. Now it gets worse. The British army has an information warfare
00:06:43.960 unit, the 77th brigade, built to fight the Taliban online. A whistleblower told Big Brother Watch
00:06:50.020 though, that during COVID soldiers were collecting the posts of what he called, quote, ordinary
00:06:55.000 scared people who questioned the lockdown. Not Taliban bad guys, bad guys in the UK. The Ministry
00:07:02.060 of Defense denied it. Then the Defense Secretary just stood up in the House of Commons and admitted
00:07:07.060 the brigade used British social media to, quote, assess UK disinformation trends. And then came
00:07:14.080 Southport. I don't know if you remember that story. August 2024, three little girls were murdered
00:07:18.880 at a dance class, a Taylor Swift-themed party.
00:07:23.400 There were riots across England.
00:07:25.340 And last year, an American congressman, Jim Jordan,
00:07:28.480 subpoenaed TikTok and published what he called
00:07:30.820 the UK censorship files.
00:07:33.380 Emails from the British government's disinformation team
00:07:35.760 to TikTok two days after the murders.
00:07:38.200 One post they flagged as urgent.
00:07:40.260 A man scrolling through his own rejected freedom
00:07:42.320 of information request about migrant hotels,
00:07:45.540 calling the occupants undocumented fighting age males.
00:07:48.880 He wasn't a Russian. He was a Brit, a Brit with a government letter on his phone.
00:07:54.980 And it actually took the United States Congress to find this out.
00:07:57.760 And the oldest of these units, the one in the home office that dates back to 2007, almost 20 years,
00:08:05.440 the author David Murray got a hold of its training material on how to spot right-wing radicalization.
00:08:11.040 The warning signs include reading Tolkien, you know, Lord of the Rings, C.S. Lewis, and George Orwell's 1984.
00:08:19.040 You can't make it up.
00:08:20.160 The Ministry of Truth is 1984 on a watch list.
00:08:25.780 Here's the number to remember.
00:08:27.080 Big Brother Watch counted through freedom of information requests to every police force in the country.
00:08:32.080 62,199 people arrested in britain for speech offenses between 2021 and 2025 62 000 that is
00:08:46.180 a small city posts messages and by the way more than 12 000 of them were convicted
00:08:52.380 so when west reading says they're not interested in domestic dissent yeah every one of those units
00:08:59.200 was born looking at Moscow, but ended up looking at Manchester before they were deployed against
00:09:05.860 British citizens. And by the way, the UK Parliament saw this coming. Two committees of MPs last
00:09:10.700 year and again this March told the government, fine, then build this surveillance machine,
00:09:15.620 but put it in a statute and put it under parliamentary oversight. The government's
00:09:20.760 answer in writing was partially agreed, but then Andy Burnham announced it from Downing Street,
00:09:24.580 He just announced it.
00:09:25.520 No statute, no oversight, no official budget, no director, nothing on paper.
00:09:29.820 Just three weeks later, there's still nothing.
00:09:32.400 He just said he's going to do it.
00:09:34.760 Now, why am I telling you about Britain?
00:09:36.520 Well, I'm interested in Britain.
00:09:37.660 I love Britain.
00:09:39.240 But, you know, I'm Canadian.
00:09:42.360 And you got to know that's coming here.
00:09:44.900 You know what I say.
00:09:45.800 The UK is a dystopian time machine for what's going to happen here in just a few years.
00:09:51.620 Canada doesn't have a National Center for Information Defense, not under that name.
00:09:57.280 We just have all the parts of it.
00:09:58.660 Let me show you.
00:09:59.900 These are our stories, our Rebel News access to information requests, our reporters, including Sheila.
00:10:06.040 The Privy Council Office, that's the Prime Minister's own department, wrote a briefing note about hiring a, quote, social media monitoring service as a pilot project during COVID.
00:10:17.520 Sheila Gunn-Reed got it through access to information.
00:10:20.080 government staff wrote, and I quote, without social media monitoring, we are missing an
00:10:25.020 important tool. I thought you were tracking down Putin. And then they bought the tool called
00:10:31.860 Meltwater. That's a corporate surveillance company that scrapes social media and then tells its
00:10:36.600 clients who's saying what. We found the contracts in the public accounts. The Privy Council has
00:10:41.420 been paying Meltwater since 2014. One contract alone, nearly $50,000 for media monitoring.
00:10:48.720 Is that how you fight Putin? Then came the war between Israel and Gaza, and this one
00:10:54.260 should make you angry. Canadian Heritage Department gave $128,000 to a British outfit called
00:11:00.820 the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, really, for something they called, and this is the
00:11:06.420 government's own title, a digital analysis situation room on Israel-Gaza extremism,
00:11:13.700 hate and misinformation. Now you might think, okay, so they're tracking Hamas terrorists,
00:11:19.440 right? No, no. Blacklock's got the records. What did the Situation Room watch? Quote,
00:11:26.260 right-wing responses to the conflict. Accounts that had taken, quote, a staunch pro-Israel
00:11:32.160 position. Whose accounts exactly? Was it mine, maybe? Someone a rebel? Heritage won't say.
00:11:38.280 Remember Andy Burnham, though, he said far right narrative.
00:11:42.360 So it's really the same playbook, just a different country.
00:11:47.260 In 2020, again, when the COVID was starting to be a rationale for burning our civil liberties,
00:11:53.200 the Canadian Armed Forces, our military, drew up a plan during the pandemic to run influence operations on Canadians.
00:12:00.700 A later internal investigation found commanders saw COVID as, quote,
00:12:04.200 a unique opportunity to test propaganda techniques on the public.
00:12:09.120 Nobody in cabinet asked for it.
00:12:11.300 I don't know if you remember this story. 0.87
00:12:12.540 Reservists in Nova Scotia even mailed out a fake government letter
00:12:16.680 warning that wolves had been released in the county.
00:12:20.340 Real letter, real mailboxes, fake wolves.
00:12:23.880 The acting chief of the defense staff finally put it in writing.
00:12:26.740 This had, quote, eroded public confidence in the institution.
00:12:30.780 You don't say.
00:12:31.520 Then it came out that the public health agency had bought cell tower location data on 33 million mobile devices to watch where Canadians went during the lockdown.
00:12:42.640 And just this summer, the one that should make everyone sit up, Black Locks, got a 35-page memo out of Industry Canada, Melanie Jolie's department.
00:12:51.640 The title was, Misinformation and Disinformation Strategy.
00:12:55.520 strategy. They're targeting Facebook and X. Those are the places where misinformation about
00:13:04.000 the department is, quote, most likely to appear or spread. Talks about deciding whether your posts
00:13:09.920 are factually incorrect, misleading, or out of context, as if a politician can tell you you're
00:13:15.860 thinking wrong. Talks about moving from a reactive stance to prevention and early detection. What
00:13:22.500 does prevention of bad ideas look like? And then there's a whole section on legal action, mostly
00:13:28.400 blacked out. The government suing citizens over posts. Is that what happened to us? Because we're
00:13:33.360 always being sued by people who look like they're individuals. Are they being funded by the
00:13:38.380 government? I don't know. It's blacked out. We can't find out. The Justice Center for Constitutional
00:13:43.420 Freedoms is now asking anyone who has a takedown letter from Ottawa to come forward. That's a
00:13:47.840 Ministry of Truth move, isn't it? And the architecture is going, it's going up right now.
00:13:52.280 I don't know if you remember Judge Hogue in the Foreign Interference Report told the government
00:13:56.720 to, quote, consider creating a government entity to monitor what she called the domestic
00:14:01.820 online information environment. The domestic environment? In March, the Carney government 0.98
00:14:08.820 put in $31.5 million into global affairs, quote, rapid response mechanism to watch for information
00:14:15.600 threats. And I'm quoting the press release at all times, not just at election time, all the time.
00:14:22.440 And then there's Bill C-34, Mark Miller's Safe Social Media Act. It creates a digital safety
00:14:28.140 commission that can order platforms to take content down and fine them over harmful content,
00:14:33.900 a category that includes everything that foments hatred. Mark Carney on September 21st said,
00:14:40.620 this fall we will press ahead. And Mark Miller, a week later on what his commission will be
00:14:46.680 deciding, said, quote, what constitutes legitimate and illegitimate discussion is a very fine line.
00:14:53.140 Yeah, a line drawn by him. So here's what I would ask Andy Burnham and Mark Carney,
00:14:59.380 if they ever allowed us into a press conference. I'd say, name one thing that Canadians or Brits
00:15:05.180 believe about their country that is false and that Vladimir Putin put in their heads.
00:15:13.380 Over in Britain, Reform's Zia Yusuf asked a former Labour advisor exactly that on live TV.
00:15:19.600 So you are making the claim, and Andy Burnham made the claim, that there is Russian disinformation
00:15:24.460 that is driving public opinion in Britain. What piece of information that is driving discontent
00:15:29.260 amongst British people, amongst GB News viewers, was seeded in their minds by Vladimir Putin?
00:15:35.180 I have been at a speech today by the Australian head of security
00:15:40.820 in which he has outlined in detail
00:15:44.620 the amount of disinformation that has spread.
00:15:47.560 The Chinese viewers watching this right now,
00:15:49.240 what is it that they believe about Britain that they are angry about
00:15:52.560 is not true and is a result of Vladimir Putin's disinformation?
00:15:56.860 Every single day, there is fake news.
00:15:59.500 There are... There'll probably be...
00:16:00.640 You're just giving Rishi Roshi answers
00:16:02.320 because you can't actually give me an answer.
00:16:03.900 I'm going to ask you one more time.
00:16:05.180 GB News viewers watching this now who are angry about the state of Britain,
00:16:08.640 what is it that they believe to be true about Britain that is not true
00:16:11.720 and is simply disinformation?
00:16:14.380 I'm not going to give you an answer to that question. 0.98
00:16:17.480 It's a ridiculous question. 0.95
00:16:18.820 It's a complete smokescreen for the fact that the country 0.98
00:16:21.580 has been catastrophically mismanaged by the Tories for 14 years,
00:16:24.940 and now Andy Burnham...
00:16:25.880 It's a very good party political broadcast.
00:16:28.540 If you want to just come on and give a party political broadcast,
00:16:30.940 then why don't you just do that?
00:16:32.200 I asked your question three times and you didn't give me an answer.
00:16:33.700 I don't have specific examples, but what I do know is that if you're going to make an argument that we need a whole quango to focus on Russian disinformation, you should have a fragment of everything for it.
00:16:44.960 Nothing, because the negative corrosive narrative isn't coming from Moscow. 0.96
00:16:49.880 It's coming from your grocery bill, your rent payments, your mortgage, from the hotel full of military-aged migrant men down the road. 0.99
00:16:59.620 People don't need a Russian bot to notice their own lives. 0.86
00:17:03.700 They can't disrupt Putin. Putin's not going to be disrupted by a committee in Downing Street or 24 Sussex Drive. The only people that those disinformation units can reach are you.
00:17:16.920 And the machine has already been built in London and in Ottawa, and every time it's been switched on, it has pointed at the same people.
00:17:24.400 Lockdown skeptics, immigration critics, pro-Israel Canadians, the negative, the corrosive, the far right, which is to say about half of you watching tonight.
00:17:34.460 Andy Burnham found out the hard way that he was on the list.
00:17:39.660 The only difference between him and you is that he got to become prime minister and take over the list.
00:17:46.920 Stay with us for more.
00:17:57.460 No one believes that Donald Trump is going to invade Canada.
00:18:01.260 No one.
00:18:02.980 If someone says they believe it, they're lying to you.
00:18:07.100 They're just trying to be dramatique.
00:18:09.120 They're just trying to be the interesting person at the cocktail party.
00:18:12.440 No one genuinely believes we're going to be invaded by America.
00:18:16.640 Everyone knows that is just Donald Trump's signature braggadocio, if you want a $12 word, or him just yanking our chain.
00:18:27.720 The whole thing started when Justin Trudeau said to Donald Trump that if he put tariffs on Canada the way he was planning, that would end Canada's viability as a country.
00:18:37.180 It was Trudeau who planted that seed of inception in Trump's mind forever after Trump yanked at that and poked at that and scratched at that.
00:18:47.840 And I think he I mean, I don't understand why Trump is keeping the gag going on, because I don't know how it promotes American interest.
00:18:56.940 But what it does is it allows Canadian pundits to fantasize about an actual war with the United States.
00:19:05.900 And no one, of course, is egging on that fantasy more than Mark Carney himself, who is the only one to use the language war.
00:19:12.640 We're in a trade war and to suggest that we need new allies.
00:19:17.060 And those allies would include the Socialist European Union and Communist China, to whom he pledged our support for the new world order.
00:19:26.640 But this new article in the Globe and Mail just takes it to a new height.
00:19:31.420 It's just incredible.
00:19:32.320 It's called, With Talk of a Hypothetical American Invasion, Canadians Should Think About Nonviolent Resistance.
00:19:40.800 And this is by a professor named Richard Sandbrook, who is an emeritus professor of political science at the University of Toronto and vice president of science for peace.
00:19:52.680 That's a new one.
00:19:53.380 I hadn't heard of that before.
00:19:55.380 They are treating the invasion as a real possibility.
00:19:59.840 and they're coming up with their counter-invasion plans.
00:20:02.460 But frankly, can you blame them?
00:20:04.520 It was Mark Carney himself who started talking about the Canadian Armed Forces
00:20:09.200 making plans for this eventuality.
00:20:13.000 In fact, he told the New York Times that was going on before he told any Canadians.
00:20:17.720 What is this about? 0.94
00:20:19.020 How come Canadians are suddenly so butch, so warlike, so tough 1.00
00:20:24.960 when it comes to the United States after generations of being so meek 0.61
00:20:29.620 banning firearms defunding our military and the like it's an interesting conversation and one i'd
00:20:34.840 like to have with tracy wilson she's the deputy boss over there at the canadian coalition for
00:20:40.680 firearms rights and she joins us now via zoom tracy great to see you again thanks for coming
00:20:45.200 back on the program it's it's just sort of weird for me to see the globe and mail bring in a
00:20:52.140 toronto professor to talk about how we can resist an american invasion like this is fantasy on top
00:20:58.940 of fantasy on top of fantasy i really feel like this is some sort of erotic fiction that the left
00:21:05.140 is writing about how suddenly they're going to rise up and and defend canada against the u.s
00:21:10.660 military which is not going to attack but boy they love pretending it's like a fantasy on their part
00:21:16.480 what do you make of it oh it's pure liberal uh boomer fear porn that's what it is and it's um
00:21:25.240 It's actually embarrassing. I was reading this morning in the National Post, we've got retired Vice Admiral Mark Norman talking about how the armed forces of Canada has basically been left to rot, and he's not overstating that.
00:21:38.300 You know, we barely scraped together 70,000 Red Force troops, and to suggest that we would be able to defend ourselves in any way from any invasion by the Americans is ridiculous.
00:21:51.900 Thankfully, that is not going to happen.
00:21:54.560 So I, you know, I think that Carney started off his campaign with a lot of fear porn about the Americans and an invasion and getting people to get their elbows up and hate our neighbors to the south, despite our long, lengthy friendship and partnership with them.
00:22:12.440 But I think we're sort of veering into the ridiculousness at this point. 0.51
00:22:18.740 It's unhelpful. 0.90
00:22:19.860 It's unhealthy.
00:22:21.220 Trump won't be there forever.
00:22:22.580 And at some point, he's going to have to stand on his own two legs and tell us why he's created this kind of division in this country.
00:22:30.980 You know, it's weird because in real life situations, they're the opposite of tough.
00:22:38.460 They believe that even having scary looking firearms is enough to ban them.
00:22:44.600 They talk about assault weapons.
00:22:46.020 and if you ever press a politician to define what is can you tell me what is an assault weapon what's
00:22:51.820 the difference between that and a regular hunting rifle they they actually do have an answer and
00:22:58.260 it's about how scary it looks like does it have this plastic piece and does it look like i mean
00:23:03.900 there's no functional explanation it's just it looks like something they've seen in the movies
00:23:09.320 So they want to ban every possible scary thing in real life.
00:23:15.000 But then when it comes just to them to outline their fantasies, they're suddenly going to rise up as one and stop the mighty U.S. from invading.
00:23:26.920 I read this article in the Globe and Mail because the headline says it was about nonviolent resistance.
00:23:33.560 And I wanted to know what that means, but they never actually say, let me quote a little bit from the Globe. What is nonviolent defense and how would it work? It is a strategy of deterrence and resistance in which unarmed civilians play a major role, either alone or in coordination with the armed forces.
00:23:53.300 The civilian volunteers employ their training in nonviolent methods to make their country ungovernable by the occupier and to undermine the pillars of support on which the invader depends.
00:24:05.800 That's it. They actually don't explain what any of that means.
00:24:10.260 So do you know what it means?
00:24:12.420 No, nobody does know what it means.
00:24:14.600 In fact, like, look, we've got a couple of tools in our toolbox for the Americans, you know, and these should have been happening all along.
00:24:22.500 I've been doing it all along. I've been buying Canadian. I've been waving my flag. You know, this new era of suddenly everybody's got a flag and they've got their elbows up and, you know, they're going to buy Canadian. It should have been that way all along. In my house, it always has been.
00:24:37.660 But to suggest that in any way that we are going to put up some kind of combative resistance to American troops is ridiculous.
00:24:47.980 This is the same government that is spending billions of your tax dollars confiscating legally acquired firearms from licensed, vetted, RCMP tested and trained gun owners and not investing that money in our military.
00:25:03.120 So, you know, you can't you can't really have it both ways.
00:25:05.940 You can't disarm your population. And at the same time, you use fear porn about an American invasion that is literally a fantasy in the minds of the liberal talking heads in Ottawa.
00:25:19.260 It's so weird. I think the largest, I mean, Canada does have a military. I mean, it's just underfunded, under-equipped, demoralized, underpaid.
00:25:28.180 And it actually used to be quite active in peacekeeping. There was a point in time when Canada punched above its weight.
00:25:35.080 I actually don't think there are any peacekeepers in the world right now from Canada.
00:25:39.160 I'd have to double check that.
00:25:40.680 If so, they've certainly dwindled.
00:25:42.500 I mean, I don't think we have the logistical support for them.
00:25:46.720 There's so many things being canceled like that.
00:25:49.300 I mean, there used to be something called Maple Flag, the exercise out at the Air Force Base in northern Alberta,
00:25:56.260 where all the NATO countries would come and sort of do war games together to practice working with each other.
00:26:01.680 but canada can't do that first of all for financial reasons and our cf-18s are so aged
00:26:08.040 that they just can't you know flying them next to an f-35 would be like you know coming up with a
00:26:14.540 datsun driving alongside a ferrari it just it's they canceled it out of embarrassment i think
00:26:20.520 but i want to talk to you about one more gun story that's out there i remember on the jewish
00:26:25.280 holiday of yom kippur there was a um a man he actually by the way turned out to be a canadian
00:26:31.660 military vet which is troubling um sean ward was his name who went to the small city of
00:26:39.400 belleville it's a couple hours outside of toronto and he went there with some some guns and his plan
00:26:45.900 was to go into the synagogue and he had enough bullets and enough guns to kill everyone in there
00:26:51.220 like it was scary that would have been a massacre but for the fact that there was a police officer
00:26:57.080 outside who actually got into a shootout and was wounded but he stopped what absolutely would have
00:27:05.180 been 20 dead like just for sure anyhow news comes again in the globe and mail i'll read the headline
00:27:11.520 belleville synagogue shooter did not have gun license source says and you know from one point
00:27:19.000 of view who cares if you had a license or not the guy was a criminal who wanted to kill dozens but
00:27:24.280 But I think it does prove a point, which is that simply putting a rule down on paper is
00:27:30.480 not going to deter someone who is so evil that they would murder two dozen folks.
00:27:34.500 Like a mass murderer who is motivated by a hatred of Jews is not suddenly going to think, 0.89
00:27:40.800 oh, I was going to do it.
00:27:42.960 I was going to go and master it.
00:27:44.780 But they passed this new bill that says I can't do, you know, there's this paperwork
00:27:49.320 that I have to do.
00:27:50.320 And I just haven't done the paperwork.
00:27:51.320 Like, it's just a laughable thing to think that a diabolical man like Sean Ward would
00:27:56.500 have been deterred by the requirement for a license, because he wasn't.
00:27:59.960 That's right. 0.91
00:28:00.960 So this guy is a madman, obviously, discharged from the military, and he worked outside the 0.99
00:28:06.660 system. 0.96
00:28:07.220 He completely evaded any detection because he just simply didn't go get a firearms license.
00:28:12.800 He acquired his guns illegally, like many other madmen in our country, and was ready
00:28:18.400 to perpetrate a really horrific crime.
00:28:20.160 You know, it sort of brings me back to the 2020 tragedy in Nova Scotia in Portapique, where we had a madman there who committed two days of just, you know, murdering innocent people, 22 souls lost in that province over that horrible time.
00:28:38.660 And of course, that tragedy was the catalyst for the beginning of the Trudeau era gun bans.
00:28:43.760 And of course, that guy also worked completely outside the entire system.
00:28:48.680 He had no firearms license, acquired all his guns illegally.
00:28:52.380 You know, none of these measures that have been put in place since 2015, when the liberals have taken power, would have done a single thing to stop that crime or this horrific, you know, what could have been a very horrific crime in Belleville.
00:29:06.880 So shout out to law enforcement for, you know, saving lives that day.
00:29:10.620 And, yeah, it just goes to show that we are 100 percent focusing on the wrong on the wrong people.
00:29:18.460 And, you know, we've got 11 years of the liberals record on public safety.
00:29:23.340 And unfortunately, it's been a tragic and bloody failure.
00:29:26.160 And it's going to continue that way until Carney changes course on it.
00:29:30.640 You know, Dr. John Lott is a U.S. scholar who is it's interesting to talk to him because he doesn't make the argument from a moral point of view or from a constitutional point of view.
00:29:43.120 He never argues that we have these God-given rights.
00:29:46.820 He doesn't talk that way.
00:29:48.160 He's actually purely pragmatic.
00:29:51.220 I mean, I'm sure he does believe in the morality of owning firearms and the right to self-defense.
00:29:55.900 But all of his papers, all of his books, I mean, one of his books is called More Guns, Less Crime.
00:30:02.060 And one of his basic theses, especially when it comes to mass shootings, is a bad guy with a gun is only stopped when a good guy with a gun shows up.
00:30:13.120 because being disarmed and i mean really you have to wait for the shooter to run out of bullets
00:30:18.860 or someone's got to stop him and you're probably not going to stop him unless you yourself have a
00:30:22.920 firearm and that's a terrifying thing to to think about and to talk about but it also happens to be
00:30:28.280 true um like this god forbid this shooter would have gotten in the synagogue he would not have
00:30:33.260 been stopped until later he left and police accosted him and that's an argument for private
00:30:39.980 firearms ownership um in israel quite often if a terrorist incident happens people nearby who
00:30:48.520 happen to be packing heat stop it before an official policeman does um in the states it's
00:30:54.640 quite frequent that a churchgoer like it's when i say quite frequent it's not rare to see someone
00:31:00.980 going into a church to do horrific things and a someone in the sanctuary pull out a firearm and
00:31:07.400 stop it yeah well and you know when we're talking about this i was just thinking about that
00:31:13.020 information that came out last week about the um the incident in tumblr ridge you know we've got
00:31:18.600 these uh these these documents the communications between the perpetrator and a 30 year old
00:31:24.000 american um person that that he was speaking to and you know within that those chats uh the killer
00:31:33.240 the shooter, the young man from Tumblr Ridge said that the only thing that he was worried about
00:31:39.780 stopping him from being able to kill tons of children would be, you know, law enforcement
00:31:46.240 or somebody else with a firearm. And, you know, you read that and it's almost revolting to even
00:31:52.740 think of it, but that is 100% true. So, you know, you can live in a unicorn and rainbow world where
00:32:00.900 you say, you know, no, no guns, never. It's not going to happen. That's impossible. You can't
00:32:07.440 put that genie back in the bottle. So, you know, it's, it's my opinion that the best thing we can
00:32:13.020 do is give people the means, the opportunity and the training to protect themselves and those that
00:32:18.500 they care about. Yeah. Well, listen, keep up the fight, Tracy Wilson. Great to see you again. A
00:32:22.780 couple of unusual and curious stories. I think they're linked by the way. But I am glad at least
00:32:29.740 the anti-gun crowd kept their silence
00:32:32.500 when that police officer out there in Belleville
00:32:34.920 saved so many lives.
00:32:36.480 I'm glad they had the dignity not to weigh in
00:32:39.200 as they normally would have.
00:32:41.240 Tracy, talk to you later.
00:32:42.400 Thanks for coming on the show.
00:32:44.000 Thanks so much, Ezra.
00:32:44.800 Have a great day.
00:32:45.760 There she is, Tracy Wilson
00:32:46.820 from the Canadian Coalition of Firearms Rights.
00:32:49.540 Stay with us.
00:32:50.520 Your letters to me next.
00:32:59.740 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me about Mark Carney.
00:33:05.480 YLL3800 says, is Carney's new $100 million aid package for Palestine actually benefiting Hamas? 0.84
00:33:11.840 I can tell you without any doubt whatsoever, the answer is yes.
00:33:15.540 That's why many countries in the world have cut off their funding of the UN Relief Works Agency.
00:33:21.360 It's super gross that Canada has rushed in there with $100 million to fill the gap.
00:33:25.540 there were actual UN employees who participated in the massacre of October 7th and there were
00:33:31.880 hundreds more who cheered it on that is a terrorist indoctrination zone and the UN is
00:33:37.600 responsible for it Martha says everything about Carney is secret he makes secret deals with China
00:33:44.060 no one in Canada can know about what's in the deal he makes secret deals with all kinds of places
00:33:48.520 including the EU but is Canada ever going to see anything of it not as long as he's the prime
00:33:53.520 minister. We have secret deals with China over those Chinese police stations and things like
00:33:59.360 that. It's crazy. Then again, we are part of the new world order. That's what Carney told Xi Jinping
00:34:04.220 to his face. Well, that's our show for the day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at
00:34:09.800 Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.