Rebel News Podcast - May 24, 2024


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Canada should be cherished, not cancelled for its imperfect past


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Is it possible to put up a statue of a dead white male like Sir Winston Churchill? We ll talk to someone who s fighting back against cancel culture, and who s involved with the putting up of a new statue. That s ahead.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Is it possible to put up a statue of a dead white male like Sir Winston
00:00:05.780 Churchill? I mean, they're tearing those sorts of things down. We'll talk to someone who's
00:00:10.160 fighting back against cancel culture and who's involved with the putting up of a new statue.
00:00:16.060 That's ahead. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to what we call Rebel News
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00:00:30.860 and it shows. All right, here's today's podcast.
00:00:49.220 Tonight, what should we do about people tearing down statues of John A. MacDonald?
00:00:53.840 It's May 23rd, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:00:59.980 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:11.720 Hey, look at this video that my friend Joe Warmington of the Toronto Sun took over the weekend.
00:01:16.180 It was in something called Belleville House, which I don't know anything about it, but it
00:01:21.980 almost doesn't matter where it is because it was the home of our founding prime minister,
00:01:26.680 Sir John A. MacDonald, the man who cobbled this country together and then led it as our first prime
00:01:33.080 minister. I should tell you that John A. MacDonald has fallen out of favor in the last few years,
00:01:38.400 particularly under the Trudeau regime. He was stripped off of our $10 bill, you might recall.
00:01:45.820 And it's not just on Trudeau. That would be unfair and partisan of me to blame him.
00:01:51.220 I note, for example, that at Queen's Park, which is the provincial parliament of Ontario,
00:01:56.240 under the leadership of allegedly conservative Doug Ford, there is a statue of Sir John A. MacDonald
00:02:01.940 that has a coffin built around it. That's the only way to describe it. You could use a fancy word like
00:02:08.980 sarcophagus. They have built a coffin around the statue of Sir John A. MacDonald in which he has
00:02:15.340 been imprisoned for years. So don't let me get away with saying that it's merely a liberal thing.
00:02:22.180 Let me play for you now the video that Joe Warmington filmed. There's a liberal MP in the
00:02:28.560 background. This is a Parks Canada reintroduction of this home of Sir John A. MacDonald. And look who
00:02:35.620 they got there to basically denounce the man. This was the liberal compromise. Sure, they were
00:02:43.460 going to grudgingly open Sir John A. MacDonald's home to the public, but not before denouncing him
00:02:49.920 at length. Take a look at this.
00:02:52.380 And it was also a time when many people of African descent were coming to Canada via the Underground
00:02:58.040 Railroad and through other ways, not only to escape enslavement, but to live freely,
00:03:03.840 create communities, and just live in peace with their families. However, upon arriving in Canada,
00:03:10.860 people of African descent quickly came to realize that they were not welcome and that Canada, like
00:03:16.960 the United States, was steeped in racism, colonialism, white supremacy, and other legacies of enslavement.
00:03:24.260 I believe there are widespread myths and misconceptions, views, and ideas that some Canadians have that we are
00:03:31.640 somehow better than the United States, that the United States had enslavement and we here in Canada did 0.70
00:03:37.320 not, that we here in Canada are immune to racism, and that we welcomed and still welcome people of African
00:03:45.240 descent with open arms. However, these inaccurate views and ideas are traced back to not knowing our
00:03:52.460 Canadian history, and that these histories were not and are still not in many cases being taught in
00:03:58.980 classrooms across the country. Many people still do not know that Canada had enslavement for over 200 years,
00:04:06.700 from the early 1600s, all the way to when it was abolished in 1834 across the British Empire. Now, it first was
00:04:15.440 under the French, Canada was then known as New France, and then it was under the British, and Canada was known as
00:04:21.860 British North America. That's actually a lie. Slavery did not start in Canada under the French. It started 0.76
00:04:29.800 centuries before that. The Indian tribes that covered this country had slavery as an integral part of 0.97
00:04:39.280 warfare and economics. Not just the Mohawks in the Ontario and Quebec areas, but in the West, the Haida. 0.99
00:04:47.400 Slavery, of course, existed on every continent in the world other than Antarctica. Slavery has touched every society, but it was
00:04:56.020 the British North American land that when the British Empire declared slavery to be illegal, Canada abolished it as well.
00:05:08.060 And when that happened, there were more Aboriginal slaves and slaveholders than there were of any other sort. In fact, I recall
00:05:15.120 looking up a census at the time, around 200 years ago, the black population of Toronto
00:05:21.220 was 16, not 1,600 or 16,000, 16 people. So to portray Canada as a racist place, as a place of slavery,
00:05:33.580 and to imply that it only started when the Europeans came here, is a lie. Now, I had never heard of that
00:05:40.020 person before. Shanyan Oyeniran is her name, and I've Googled her. And she has a degree in slavery 0.98
00:05:46.580 studies from a British university. I can only imagine what that's like. But before that, she was,
00:05:54.560 for seven years, an administrator and understaffer at an old folks' home. So she's certainly well-schooled
00:06:00.280 in book learning. She's a damn liar, but the world is full of liars. She might say, 0.98
00:06:05.960 I'm a liar. But her lies were paid for by the government of Canada. This was their
00:06:12.500 reintroduction of our founding father, our founding prime minister, to hurl accusations at him, but
00:06:19.500 much more importantly, at Canada, to imply we weren't the safe haven for black people. Joining us
00:06:25.940 now to talk about this outrage and what he might do about it is our friend, Dr. Mark Mielke, the boss
00:06:31.980 of a rather new civil liberties-oriented charity in Canada called the Aristotle Foundation. And he
00:06:38.620 joins us now via Skype from Calgary. Great to see you again, Mark.
00:06:41.960 Thanks for having me on, Ezra. It's great to be here.
00:06:44.140 Can you imagine that? I mean, they reintroduce Sir John A. MacDonald and his home. I guess we should
00:06:50.840 give them some marks for not boarding it up like the statue at Queen's Park. But they reintroduce them
00:06:57.480 to denounce them. I haven't heard the liberal government denounce, oh, let's say, the terrorist
00:07:04.120 government of Iran in the vitriolic language that they say for our founding prime minister.
00:07:09.620 Just so gross.
00:07:12.440 Well, it's maddening. And the clip you just showed of the lady there that talked to this,
00:07:21.400 you know, revisionist kind of approach to John A. MacDonald's home and her claim that blacks
00:07:25.340 weren't welcome in Canada. Look, I think it's a mistake to romanticize history either way,
00:07:29.980 to see that Canada was somehow this, you know, pluralistic, liberal in the best classical liberal
00:07:35.320 sense place in the mid-19th century that there was no racism. I mean, that would be a denial of
00:07:41.100 the facts as well. But to say that blacks were not welcome when she, you know, when she herself
00:07:47.540 mentions the Underground Railroad. Let me give you another example that I pointed out in one of my
00:07:51.980 books a couple of years ago, The Victim Cult. And we also touch on this a little bit in the first
00:07:55.960 book for the Aristotle Foundation, the 1867 Project, Why Canada Should Be Cherished, Not Cancelled.
00:08:02.180 There's a story of how, you know, a cohort of black Americans came from California to Victoria in
00:08:08.700 1858. And they wrote home to their relatives and friends in California to do what a lot of people in
00:08:14.100 Victoria do, not only to brag about the flowers, presumably, but to say this is a really tolerant place
00:08:19.500 compared to California, which was pretty racist, anti-black, of course, and anti-Asian at the time
00:08:24.900 in 1858. And this cohort of black Americans that had arrived in Victoria found that they were welcomed
00:08:31.620 by the governor, by the Anglican Archbishop, that they could become citizens and vote after two years
00:08:37.600 and run in the school board elections, you know, in the local municipal elections, so on and so forth.
00:08:42.100 Now, these black Americans did encounter prejudice over the next few years,
00:08:47.320 in part, from some indigenous tribes, the Cowichan up north of up island from Victoria,
00:08:52.640 and also white Americans who increasingly also moved to British Columbia, the colony at that point,
00:08:58.060 from the United States. So it's not like Canada was a place free of racism. But ironically,
00:09:04.420 I mean, black Americans, and at one point, there was several hundred black Americans in Victoria,
00:09:08.160 apparently, that had moved up there to escape the racism of the United States. So
00:09:11.480 that speaker that, you know, opened or christened, I guess, this new tour at the Johnny McDonald house
00:09:17.260 there in Kingston, you know, lacks facts, lacks nuance, lacks a bit of understanding of the age
00:09:24.580 people lived in, and the progress that had already been made by 1858.
00:09:29.700 You know, Canada, of course, only came into existence in 1867 in its own legal entity. Before
00:09:36.060 that, of course, it was part of the British Empire, the same British Empire, that for 50 years,
00:09:41.040 dispatched the West Africa Squadron, as part of the Royal Navy, that sole mission was intercepting
00:09:47.100 black slave ships, capturing the ships, arresting the slave traders, and returning the slaves back 0.71
00:09:52.680 to Africa. They captured well over a thousand such ships. It was an enormous effort. And we've talked
00:09:59.820 before on the show, about the British Empire borrowing, in today's money, a quarter of a trillion
00:10:06.180 dollars to pay for the emancipation of slaves throughout the British Empire. China didn't do 0.66
00:10:12.960 that. Africa didn't do that. India didn't do that. It's astonishing that she would seek, she would learn
00:10:22.060 in her slavery studies degree, that she wouldn't learn that Canada, I mean, look, like you, Mark,
00:10:27.720 I won't deny it. It's so one-sided. Yeah, I mean, was there racial tension? Sure, there was for
00:10:33.100 everyone. If you were Irish, if you were Italian, if you were Jewish. But to see that Canada is
00:10:39.720 inherently, it's so, so gross to me. Hey, I want to play the video that you guys made at the
00:10:45.400 Aristotle Foundation. I want to stop talking for a moment about this disgrace over the weekend that
00:10:50.880 Joe Warmington filmed. I'm so glad he was there with his camera. Let's talk about what you guys are
00:10:55.460 doing, but I think you guys have put together a video. Let's take a look at it now.
00:10:59.980 Why are some people trying to cancel Canada's history?
00:11:06.880 You've seen the attacks on Johnny MacDonald,
00:11:11.600 Henry Dundas,
00:11:14.360 Matthew Begbie,
00:11:16.320 and so many others.
00:11:25.460 Even Mahatma Gandhi.
00:11:29.120 These attacks are common,
00:11:31.180 and they need to stop.
00:11:33.480 Here are three reasons why.
00:11:36.620 It's unfair to expect people in history to be perfect when some Canadians can't achieve that standard today.
00:11:43.160 We demand historical figures, hold 21st century views, but based on that standard,
00:11:48.540 future generations will condemn us all. 0.62
00:11:51.000 We focus on all of the bad and none of the good.
00:11:55.240 For example,
00:11:56.220 British colonialism ended slavery,
00:11:58.200 including for First Nations.
00:12:00.860 So,
00:12:01.840 instead of canceling history,
00:12:04.500 let's expand our perspectives,
00:12:06.640 especially for those who helped build Canada.
00:12:10.140 Henry Dundas,
00:12:11.480 instrumental in ending slavery by appointing an anti-slavery governor.
00:12:16.060 Johnny MacDonald,
00:12:16.860 fought for more funding for indigenous Canadians to fight famine and smallpox,
00:12:22.000 and was key to confederation.
00:12:23.980 Justice Matthew Begbie,
00:12:25.580 an early proponent of native rights,
00:12:27.360 and who opposed anti-Chinese racism in British Columbia.
00:12:30.900 Let's add more facts to our history.
00:12:33.540 Reject cancel culture, 1.00
00:12:35.320 treasure our past,
00:12:36.700 and move Canada forward.
00:12:38.420 If you agree,
00:12:39.660 share this video,
00:12:40.960 and sign our petition to stop canceling Canada's history.
00:12:44.060 For more,
00:12:45.640 go to aristotelfoundation.org.
00:12:48.280 Well,
00:12:48.800 there you have it,
00:12:49.240 the aristotelfoundation.org.
00:12:51.680 aristotelfoundation.org is where you can learn more about that,
00:12:54.860 and that's the organization that Mark leads.
00:12:58.360 I like your arguments there,
00:13:01.520 but,
00:13:02.220 and I think I've seen this video once before,
00:13:04.240 and I think it's good.
00:13:05.080 Those are great arguments for why we don't tear down statues,
00:13:08.460 and why we don't delete the past.
00:13:09.840 But watching it,
00:13:12.160 I fear that you missed the real purpose of tearing down statues.
00:13:16.180 I think the purpose of tearing down statues is the tearing down.
00:13:21.200 It's not even the statues.
00:13:22.560 You mentioned Mahatma Gandhi.
00:13:24.160 I mean,
00:13:24.440 who could possibly disagree with him?
00:13:26.480 He's almost a saint-like figure.
00:13:28.800 But I think the purpose of the tearing down,
00:13:32.120 the purpose,
00:13:32.940 whether it's the Hamas protests,
00:13:35.640 or Black Lives Matter,
00:13:37.360 or Occupy Wall Street,
00:13:39.500 or so many of these projects,
00:13:41.340 it's the tearing down.
00:13:42.520 It's the revolution.
00:13:44.900 As our friend Dr. James Lindsay says,
00:13:47.440 the issue isn't the issue.
00:13:48.680 The revolution is the issue.
00:13:49.960 So I think your counter-argument to cancel culture makes sense to me,
00:13:54.420 because I'm trying to understand,
00:13:55.540 how do you deal with historical figures that aren't perfect by today's prism?
00:14:00.540 But I don't think you'll ever convince a terror downer to stop tearing down.
00:14:06.160 Oh,
00:14:06.280 I don't think we will either.
00:14:08.340 Part of the goal of the Aristotle Foundation is to start telling the truth,
00:14:11.380 right?
00:14:11.600 Because it's not being told in Canada.
00:14:13.740 So,
00:14:14.140 and point out,
00:14:14.760 and you're absolutely right.
00:14:15.440 Look,
00:14:16.180 this,
00:14:16.800 a lot of these protests is too mild,
00:14:19.720 but the tearing down,
00:14:20.980 the,
00:14:21.520 they're nihilist,
00:14:23.120 they're revolutionary,
00:14:23.900 and they're utopian.
00:14:25.140 But one of the arguments we make in the 1867 project,
00:14:28.040 why Canada should be cherished,
00:14:29.140 not canceled,
00:14:30.280 by various authors,
00:14:31.340 and I'll make it in the introduction to the book,
00:14:33.580 is that you're looking at utopians,
00:14:35.440 utopian revolutionaries,
00:14:37.040 right?
00:14:37.240 These are people,
00:14:37.760 at least the Marxists in the 20th century,
00:14:39.540 in the 19th century,
00:14:40.420 they were looking forward.
00:14:41.600 They were dead wrong about economics and how to,
00:14:43.800 you know,
00:14:43.960 create a prosperous,
00:14:44.960 flourishing,
00:14:45.480 free society.
00:14:46.700 The Marxists were dead wrong about that,
00:14:48.420 but at least you could argue the Marxists were looking forward to create a
00:14:50.960 utopia paradise on earth.
00:14:52.500 But weirdly,
00:14:53.940 you've got people these days,
00:14:55.220 when it comes to history,
00:14:56.440 that expect people in history to be perfect,
00:14:58.620 as if 39,
00:15:00.320 40 million Canadians agree on everything today,
00:15:02.540 40 million Canadians are perfect today.
00:15:04.360 Like,
00:15:04.540 come on.
00:15:05.240 So,
00:15:05.960 you're absolutely right.
00:15:06.920 It's a revolutionary impulse.
00:15:08.220 It's dangerous.
00:15:09.480 But our goal at the Aristotle Foundation is to start telling the truth,
00:15:12.240 which we've done with this video,
00:15:13.340 which we do with the 1867 project,
00:15:15.860 and move people forward,
00:15:17.560 and give people facts and informed history.
00:15:19.360 Because I think,
00:15:19.860 I think as actually the majority of Canadians would agree with you and I,
00:15:23.580 that attacking statues of Johnny McDonald,
00:15:25.980 refusing to offer nuances,
00:15:27.580 Parks Canada has done here,
00:15:29.420 skipping other facts and history is also a mistake.
00:15:33.220 Let me give you one clear example.
00:15:34.500 You referenced indigenous slavery.
00:15:36.460 So again,
00:15:36.900 that speaker that,
00:15:37.700 that talked to that Johnny McDonald kind of revisionist ceremony there at
00:15:41.500 McDonald's house there in Kingston.
00:15:43.020 you're unlikely to see Parks Canada offer a tour in the near future of how
00:15:49.600 indigenous communities in British Columbia held slaves until the late
00:15:52.720 19th century over the objections of the British,
00:15:56.740 which didn't have the capacity on the ground.
00:15:58.880 I mean,
00:15:59.140 British Columbia was a backwater at that point.
00:16:01.120 There's no way to enforce anti-slavery legislation of British Empire in what 0.94
00:16:04.960 would become British Columbia when it joined the Federation and before when it
00:16:08.720 was a colony.
00:16:09.220 So those are facts that are worth knowing.
00:16:12.680 Why?
00:16:13.020 Not because we want to pick on indigenous Canadians,
00:16:15.400 but to point out,
00:16:16.460 look,
00:16:16.800 everyone's history,
00:16:17.700 if you go deep enough,
00:16:18.740 back far enough,
00:16:20.080 has some flaws in it to say the least.
00:16:22.300 And it makes no sense to demonize Johnny McDonald and then to romanticize
00:16:26.940 indigenous peoples as if they come from some sort of what?
00:16:31.820 Perfect utopian,
00:16:33.760 non-slave holding history.
00:16:37.100 I mean,
00:16:37.220 that's simply,
00:16:37.660 that's simply nonsensical from the Haida to the Aztecs,
00:16:41.340 you know,
00:16:41.900 to the wars in Ontario among indigenous peoples before and after settlers got
00:16:45.980 there,
00:16:46.280 European settlers.
00:16:47.320 I don't like that term,
00:16:48.040 but I mean,
00:16:48.360 using their language.
00:16:50.040 So yeah,
00:16:51.180 what we're trying to do with the Aristotle Foundation is of course,
00:16:54.100 provide some facts and informed history.
00:16:56.000 And that two minute video,
00:16:57.620 thank you for showing was,
00:16:58.660 was our start to say,
00:17:00.300 come on people,
00:17:01.260 let's,
00:17:01.700 let's,
00:17:02.320 let's get a little more sensible.
00:17:04.180 I think there's a couple of things going on.
00:17:05.280 The first is the concept of the noble savage to use a term from history and
00:17:10.440 philosophy that,
00:17:11.840 that before our civilization,
00:17:14.600 there was this garden of Eden,
00:17:16.880 like harmony.
00:17:17.600 And it just wasn't true.
00:17:21.860 I mean,
00:17:22.340 we,
00:17:22.440 we both talked.
00:17:23.020 Well,
00:17:23.120 I'm not a fan of that.
00:17:23.720 I'm not a fan of the term.
00:17:24.720 I mean,
00:17:24.960 it has obvious,
00:17:26.440 you know,
00:17:27.000 possible fence.
00:17:27.880 And I get it.
00:17:28.380 You know,
00:17:28.580 we're so used that term.
00:17:30.060 I think,
00:17:30.800 yeah,
00:17:31.080 I mean,
00:17:31.480 the romanticization doesn't help.
00:17:34.260 And the key thing is to get people to unite around good ideas.
00:17:37.000 And if you trash British hit British,
00:17:39.120 you know,
00:17:39.460 a North American history,
00:17:40.920 what you're in effect doing is,
00:17:42.580 as you pointed out earlier,
00:17:43.500 a revolutionary project.
00:17:44.600 You're trashing the ideas that helped build modern day Canada.
00:17:47.480 I mean,
00:17:47.700 where do people think that the notion of the individual came from,
00:17:50.580 that liberalism came from in the classical sense,
00:17:52.840 not the 21st century,
00:17:54.060 Justin Trudeau,
00:17:55.300 but the classical sense for people value property rights,
00:17:57.920 the rights of the individual,
00:17:58.980 the rights of women.
00:18:00.040 When John Diefenbaker made the case that native Canadians should have the vote,
00:18:03.280 restored when even Johnny McDonald in the 19th century was advocating for the
00:18:07.540 vote for indigenous peoples and for women. 0.97
00:18:09.480 Where do they think those ideas came from?
00:18:11.260 Well,
00:18:11.500 they came from the Anglosphere.
00:18:13.020 They didn't come from Germany and they didn't come from indigenous
00:18:15.140 communities in North America.
00:18:16.980 That's part of,
00:18:18.020 not the debate,
00:18:18.840 that's part of the fact-based analysis that needs to occur in this country.
00:18:22.380 And apparently it needs to occur at Parks Canada and within a lot of
00:18:26.000 bureaucratic and educational departments across the country.
00:18:29.200 Sorry to interrupt.
00:18:29.940 No,
00:18:30.260 I'm so glad you said that.
00:18:31.260 I mean,
00:18:31.780 I think about certain things often that maybe I should move on from,
00:18:37.140 but Mel Gibson,
00:18:38.380 who's a very interesting character and a very political character,
00:18:41.900 made a movie more than a decade ago.
00:18:43.660 I don't know if you've seen it,
00:18:44.540 Mark,
00:18:44.700 called Apocalypto.
00:18:46.460 And it was very dramatic,
00:18:47.840 very violent.
00:18:49.060 It was in dead languages.
00:18:50.940 I mean,
00:18:51.140 it was,
00:18:51.520 it was a very unusual movie.
00:18:52.680 It was about life.
00:18:53.260 life in,
00:18:55.580 I think was the Aztec empire right before Columbus would have arrived.
00:19:01.980 And I don't want to give away the spoiler scene at the end,
00:19:05.540 but it,
00:19:06.400 that sort of unlocks the meaning of the whole previous 90 minutes to me.
00:19:09.640 Why would Mel Gibson make this very strange movie?
00:19:12.720 And I think it was to demonstrate what life was like pre conquistador,
00:19:18.880 pre Christian,
00:19:19.840 pre colonial.
00:19:20.800 And of course there was violence and abuses with,
00:19:24.400 especially the Spanish conquistadors.
00:19:26.300 I mean,
00:19:26.420 they were not gentle,
00:19:27.500 but I think Mel Gibson's point was there was something much more horrific
00:19:32.840 that it,
00:19:34.100 that those conquistadors found when they landed the endless human sacrifice of
00:19:39.280 slaves.
00:19:39.460 You want to talk about slaves?
00:19:40.700 That was the entire economy of,
00:19:42.520 of the Aztecs.
00:19:43.800 Chris Champion does a nice job in the 1867 project of pointing this out.
00:19:48.200 And the old joke from,
00:19:49.400 I think it was Monty Python.
00:19:50.500 What did the Roman empire ever do for you?
00:19:52.340 And they talk about the roads,
00:19:53.440 the prosperity.
00:19:54.320 He applies that,
00:19:55.300 he applies that to the British empire.
00:19:56.480 What did the British empire ever do?
00:19:57.500 You mean besides abolish slavery,
00:19:59.660 besides Johnny McDonald being instructed by the British colonial office to
00:20:03.080 sign treaties wherever possible and not engage in a genocide,
00:20:07.800 which he's accused of not engage in genocide,
00:20:09.740 like some of the American forces did.
00:20:12.640 These are the,
00:20:13.460 you know,
00:20:13.780 indigenous tribes in that country.
00:20:15.520 So what did the British empire ever do for people?
00:20:18.020 Well,
00:20:18.180 actually a lot.
00:20:19.580 The problem,
00:20:20.280 the problem when people look at history is they think that somehow,
00:20:23.700 again,
00:20:24.000 it should be perfect or,
00:20:25.240 or somehow we just arrived here.
00:20:26.880 Miraculously much of human history is a tragedy in terms of the blood and you know,
00:20:32.000 the blood spilt for idiotic reasons. 0.80
00:20:34.500 And most of human history is tribal.
00:20:36.220 Most of it is anti-individual.
00:20:37.900 And we began to get away from that.
00:20:39.640 I would argue the last 800 years,
00:20:41.260 starting with the Magna Carta or starting with other influences,
00:20:43.840 Western history that have now spread around the world.
00:20:46.380 So,
00:20:47.860 you know,
00:20:48.480 from Magna Carta to the glorious revolution,
00:20:50.340 to the enlightenment,
00:20:52.080 to the notion of the individual,
00:20:54.300 these are developments in Western civilization that have spread around the world.
00:20:58.400 And it's a good spread.
00:20:59.940 It doesn't mean our country,
00:21:01.640 our civilization is perfect.
00:21:03.120 I mean,
00:21:03.240 there's things I would take from other civilizations that I would apply to Western civilization.
00:21:06.920 But without going down that rabbit hole,
00:21:09.340 I mean,
00:21:09.940 it's,
00:21:10.740 this is part of what people need to understand.
00:21:13.240 Civilization is actually very tenuous.
00:21:15.160 And it's one of the reasons that the Aristotle Foundation say we champion peace and democracy and civilization.
00:21:20.240 It's an old fashioned word.
00:21:21.880 But I can tell you what civilization looks like when it's destroyed.
00:21:24.700 It looks like October the 7th in Israel,
00:21:26.700 when Hamas attacks.
00:21:28.800 It looks like what happens in other wars when civilization breaks down.
00:21:35.180 It happens in civil wars,
00:21:37.240 so on and so forth.
00:21:38.160 It happens when you revert to a tribal notion of what humanity should operate like on a government level,
00:21:43.320 where it's my tribe versus your tribe,
00:21:44.880 as opposed to,
00:21:46.340 let's get back to the notion,
00:21:47.840 individuals should be seen as equal with rights and law and policy.
00:21:52.960 And that's where we should start and stop.
00:21:54.720 And we shouldn't be trashing really the oak tree that is Canada that's been built over the last two centuries.
00:21:59.880 We should remember our history and understand that the oak tree that is Canada,
00:22:03.280 the shelters that now shelters 40 million people,
00:22:06.000 came about as a result of conscious choices by British North Americans,
00:22:11.120 and later by Canadian founders and Canadian politicians,
00:22:14.260 and all of us and all of our ancestors who built this place,
00:22:17.400 that said,
00:22:18.420 look,
00:22:18.620 we want a free flourishing country based on equality under the law,
00:22:22.460 not your tribe versus my tribe,
00:22:24.240 whatever that tribe happens to be.
00:22:26.060 And if people don't remember that,
00:22:27.620 we are in serious trouble.
00:22:31.460 You know,
00:22:31.740 there's a saying that every generation has 18 years to civilize the next generation.
00:22:36.880 Really,
00:22:37.100 I mean,
00:22:37.700 you've got 18 years to take a baby from a barbarian that would smash everything in sight 1.00
00:22:42.380 to a responsible adult who understands.
00:22:45.520 I mean,
00:22:45.680 you have to,
00:22:46.120 you have to teach self-restraint.
00:22:48.240 You have to teach being sociable.
00:22:52.020 You have to impart to them the memory of civilization,
00:22:55.860 of all the bad and hard lessons we've learned over time.
00:22:58.900 That's why history is so important.
00:23:00.560 That's why the written language is so important.
00:23:03.440 And we have to learn from what happened before us.
00:23:06.460 That's why I think history is being destroyed.
00:23:09.280 And I look at Mao's revolution and their cultural revolution.
00:23:15.800 And really the vanguard of that was what he called the red guard,
00:23:20.480 which were kids,
00:23:22.340 which were students.
00:23:24.180 Why did Mao lean on the students to be the most radical,
00:23:27.440 to go around with the little red book?
00:23:29.660 And he had what they called the four olds,
00:23:32.880 O-L-D-S, 1.00
00:23:33.660 the four old things,
00:23:35.040 old ideas,
00:23:35.900 old culture,
00:23:36.620 old customs,
00:23:37.340 old habits.
00:23:38.220 Who would destroy those things?
00:23:40.340 Not someone who's in middle age or a senior who understands the value of them,
00:23:44.940 but a young person.
00:23:46.260 Young people are wonderful and they're energetic,
00:23:48.080 they're hopeful,
00:23:48.660 they're idealistic,
00:23:49.740 but not to be mean,
00:23:50.640 they're also stupid. 0.71
00:23:51.820 They haven't learned things yet.
00:23:53.300 They're stupid.
00:23:54.060 It's not the right way.
00:23:54.720 They're ignorant.
00:23:55.420 They haven't learned things yet.
00:23:56.900 And so,
00:23:58.100 like the concept of Chesterton's fence,
00:24:00.100 do you know what I'm talking about?
00:24:01.540 You acquire some land and there's a fence across the road and you don't know why.
00:24:06.600 Chesterton would say,
00:24:07.440 before you tear down that fence,
00:24:08.740 understand why it's there.
00:24:10.300 You don't know what danger that fence was meant to keep out.
00:24:17.140 And when you entrust young people, 0.89
00:24:19.780 the woke young college kids who have learned the least,
00:24:24.800 who have traveled the least,
00:24:25.660 who have experienced the least,
00:24:26.700 who still are in this life of youthful privilege being paid for by someone else,
00:24:31.560 that's why Mao used them to smash the four olds.
00:24:34.160 And that's who's tearing down,
00:24:36.360 I think,
00:24:37.020 a lot of the statues.
00:24:37.900 I think so.
00:24:39.200 And I think we should place a lot of the blame,
00:24:40.760 Ezra,
00:24:41.420 on educators,
00:24:42.560 right,
00:24:42.740 on the education system,
00:24:43.880 on the education faculties,
00:24:45.680 and what's happening in universities.
00:24:47.460 Alan Bloom in 1987,
00:24:49.080 talking about the closing of the American mind,
00:24:50.840 well,
00:24:51.020 add the closing of the Canadian mind to that,
00:24:52.920 and chaos of the Canadian mind,
00:24:54.440 universities,
00:24:55.220 and the education system.
00:24:57.300 They bear a lot of the responsibility.
00:24:58.960 You know,
00:24:59.760 it's hard to blame kids to ask them to know what they don't know,
00:25:03.020 what they haven't been taught,
00:25:04.440 when they were propagandized in schools for K to 12,
00:25:07.300 and then universities in addition.
00:25:09.480 You know,
00:25:10.000 and it's simplistic,
00:25:10.900 right?
00:25:11.180 And this notion.
00:25:12.740 Thomas,
00:25:13.180 all the great American economists,
00:25:14.360 gives a great example of how fishing fleets around the world,
00:25:17.160 historically,
00:25:17.580 were dominated by the Italians,
00:25:19.020 not the Swiss.
00:25:20.060 And to make the mistake of thinking that racism is why the Swiss went in the industry,
00:25:23.420 is to ignore a pretty salient factor.
00:25:25.140 Geography,
00:25:25.800 the Italians of coastal islands,
00:25:27.020 the Swiss don't. 0.80
00:25:27.940 Same thing with this notion that everything today is due to racism,
00:25:30.720 or somehow everyone in the past didn't think about racist issues.
00:25:34.020 Well,
00:25:34.160 they did in the 1800s.
00:25:35.700 They actually,
00:25:36.580 you know,
00:25:36.980 thought about how to move from,
00:25:39.100 you know,
00:25:39.600 you know,
00:25:40.220 a pretty discriminatory society against Catholics and Jews.
00:25:43.540 And of course,
00:25:44.220 you know,
00:25:44.540 eventually got there,
00:25:45.580 especially post-World War II,
00:25:46.900 in terms of getting rid of discriminatory practices and laws,
00:25:50.460 and making it illegal to discriminate against people,
00:25:52.900 say,
00:25:53.220 in the province of Ontario,
00:25:54.200 in the early 1950s,
00:25:55.460 based on skin color or gender.
00:25:57.440 And somehow in 2024,
00:25:59.020 people still think we're institutionally racist,
00:26:01.200 which is also part of what's going on here.
00:26:03.940 And that lady, 1.00
00:26:04.700 again,
00:26:05.160 you referenced in the initial video,
00:26:07.080 not thinking that anything has changed,
00:26:08.840 or that we're still some sort of systematically racist society.
00:26:12.120 It's nonsensical.
00:26:13.180 It's anti-history.
00:26:14.160 It's certainly anti-nuance history.
00:26:16.580 And it's dangerous to be revolutionary about such things,
00:26:19.960 because again,
00:26:20.520 then you chop down the oak tree that's protecting all of us,
00:26:23.040 the civilization that's been built.
00:26:25.240 And Edmund Burke,
00:26:26.100 to speak of another dead white English male,
00:26:28.500 or Irish male,
00:26:29.380 I guess,
00:26:30.200 pointed this out on his book in the late 1700s,
00:26:34.160 on reflections on the revolution in France.
00:26:36.280 What you want to do with any country,
00:26:38.080 you know,
00:26:38.280 unless you're talking about Hitler's Germany,
00:26:40.420 Stalin's Russia,
00:26:41.260 is you want to modify its institutions organically.
00:26:46.320 You don't want to upset or uproot everything that's been in the tradition of the country.
00:26:50.580 And your reference to Mao is exactly right. 0.73
00:26:52.440 That's exactly what he did.
00:26:53.500 And it was a disaster.
00:26:54.420 And it led to the deaths of tens of millions of people,
00:26:57.040 and repressions of others.
00:26:58.560 So the revolutionary sentiment is incredibly dangerous.
00:27:03.180 And unfortunately,
00:27:03.820 we see it in a variety of ways in Canada today.
00:27:07.140 Yeah.
00:27:07.740 You know,
00:27:08.240 I'm thinking you're so right to focus on the education system.
00:27:12.240 Money is a big factor,
00:27:13.620 too.
00:27:13.760 The reason that historian was allowed to spout that disinformation
00:27:18.460 is because she's actually made a good living with a slavery studies degree. 1.00
00:27:24.800 The whole grievance studies industry,
00:27:26.580 I always mocked it as being unemployable.
00:27:29.180 Am I ever wrong?
00:27:30.060 In the age of DEI,
00:27:32.140 diversity,
00:27:32.580 equity,
00:27:32.880 inclusion,
00:27:33.540 grievance studies is the hot ticket.
00:27:35.860 She went-
00:27:36.180 It's so simplistic,
00:27:36.920 though,
00:27:37.000 isn't it?
00:27:37.320 It's so crazy to pay someone to ignore parts of history,
00:27:41.800 not give a nuance.
00:27:42.620 She makes tens of thousands of dollars for seminars and sessions,
00:27:47.620 coaching you not to be racist when she's so clearly obsessed with race.
00:27:52.800 I got to tell you,
00:27:54.060 your audience needs to know that so much of what they're seeing in terms of
00:27:58.420 DEI,
00:27:59.440 in terms of this anti-nuance history,
00:28:02.280 approach to history,
00:28:03.740 is funded by the federal government and sometimes provincial governments and
00:28:06.800 the civil governments.
00:28:07.880 But everything from research grants that go through the federal government
00:28:12.900 to departments in the government that promote DEI,
00:28:16.020 this is driven by the federal government.
00:28:18.160 And again,
00:28:18.420 like you,
00:28:18.660 I don't want to be partisan.
00:28:19.480 Look,
00:28:19.660 this is,
00:28:20.240 you know,
00:28:20.680 this happens under various governments.
00:28:22.340 I mean,
00:28:22.600 you mentioned Ontario's Doug Ford government,
00:28:24.900 sort of government there.
00:28:26.320 You know,
00:28:26.600 they also had DEI in practice.
00:28:28.640 They have this notion that somehow we should,
00:28:32.060 we should look back and feel guilty as opposed to proud that Canada got rid of
00:28:35.300 slavery,
00:28:35.640 really beginning in the 1790s.
00:28:37.220 So there's governments across the partisan landscape that are funding what I
00:28:43.360 think is an egregious attack on Canadian history.
00:28:45.740 They're literally pouring poison on the roots of an oak tree that is Canada.
00:28:50.560 And taxpayers and citizens,
00:28:52.940 really citizens should be aware that it's their money funding a lot of this
00:28:56.680 stuff,
00:28:57.060 as opposed to an organic approach is the best way to describe it,
00:29:00.720 where like we acknowledge the flaws in Canada's past,
00:29:03.420 in Canada's past,
00:29:04.400 but I don't think anybody has never not acknowledged that.
00:29:06.600 And this is why we changed the laws of the 1950s,
00:29:09.400 stop discriminating against black Canadians and accommodation.
00:29:13.140 So,
00:29:13.780 but you've got to,
00:29:14.960 you've got a crew today that just looks at everything through the lens of
00:29:17.900 racism.
00:29:18.420 They call themselves anti-racist when in fact,
00:29:21.820 you know,
00:29:22.100 they're promoting policy that is divisive,
00:29:24.220 that is a liberal,
00:29:24.880 that is anti-individual.
00:29:26.040 And there's a word for that racist.
00:29:29.080 Last question for you,
00:29:30.180 Aristotle foundation,
00:29:31.420 fairly new.
00:29:32.120 You do,
00:29:33.720 I've been to a couple of your events.
00:29:35.040 I like it.
00:29:35.560 You've got an event coming up in,
00:29:38.040 in Calgary.
00:29:39.140 Do you want to give us a word about what that is?
00:29:41.240 It's just coming up in a week or so.
00:29:43.240 Sure.
00:29:43.660 Putting on a different hat,
00:29:44.540 actually,
00:29:44.900 it's,
00:29:45.260 you know,
00:29:46.200 we've got an event for the Churchill society,
00:29:48.200 which I'm volunteer president of with the great grandson of Winston
00:29:51.220 Churchill,
00:29:51.640 where we're going to honor and commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day.
00:29:55.340 Of course,
00:29:55.640 the famous landings of Canadians,
00:29:58.420 Juneau Beach and other allies who started the fight back in,
00:30:01.780 on the European continent on June 6th,
00:30:03.760 1944.
00:30:04.720 So we do have a dinner,
00:30:06.040 which people can come to if they register pretty quickly in the next few
00:30:08.400 days for,
00:30:09.400 on June 6th in Calgary.
00:30:11.700 But the Aristotle foundation,
00:30:13.040 which is my full time gig,
00:30:14.740 we championed reason,
00:30:16.100 democracy,
00:30:16.740 civilization.
00:30:17.200 But I would say the quickest way to,
00:30:18.540 to describe this,
00:30:19.520 we're trying to make people think,
00:30:20.660 is Canada institutionally racist?
00:30:22.260 No.
00:30:23.040 Do we have enough democratic practices in this country to push back against bad
00:30:26.960 policy?
00:30:27.420 I'd say no.
00:30:28.160 And civilizational issues,
00:30:29.760 everything from the,
00:30:30.640 the crazy responses,
00:30:32.240 after October the 7th on our university campuses in Canada to other issues.
00:30:37.880 We better think through the kind of Canada we want.
00:30:40.120 We prefer that Canadians unite around laudable ideas like the rights of the
00:30:43.240 individual,
00:30:43.860 the free and flourishing society,
00:30:45.800 that people be able to exercise their rights under the constitution instead of
00:30:50.000 being suppressed on campus or elsewhere.
00:30:52.260 That's the kind of country we should unite around,
00:30:54.320 regardless of one's background,
00:30:55.860 you know,
00:30:56.060 indigenous or European,
00:30:57.480 or if you're from,
00:30:58.500 you know,
00:30:59.000 South Korea.
00:31:00.060 So that's the kind of Canada we want,
00:31:01.860 a free and flourishing country in the future.
00:31:03.640 And that's what aerosol foundation is working towards in part by educating
00:31:06.800 Canadians on our history and our presence.
00:31:09.960 Well,
00:31:10.020 I'm excited about the fact that you're putting up with the traditional society,
00:31:13.820 a statue of Churchill.
00:31:15.700 And to me,
00:31:17.600 that's going to be a real litmus test because it's going to attract bad guys.
00:31:20.900 It's going to attract protesters.
00:31:23.180 And we're hoping,
00:31:23.820 we're hoping not as look,
00:31:25.060 I hope that by now people understand again,
00:31:28.040 and what you're referencing is we at the Churchill society,
00:31:30.940 and I put on my volunteer president out of that society.
00:31:34.140 There is a Churchill statue about to be erected.
00:31:37.320 That's been underway for a couple of years.
00:31:39.080 And the sculptor is Danik Mosdensky.
00:31:41.160 He put,
00:31:41.900 he created Lester Pearson on Parliament Hill,
00:31:43.680 Sir Isaac Brock,
00:31:45.060 jazz artist,
00:31:46.120 Clarence Horatio Miller,
00:31:47.120 and one of the famous five suffragists.
00:31:49.800 He's an incredible sculptor.
00:31:51.360 It's an incredible gift really to the province of Alberta.
00:31:54.100 It would be put up in Calgary on June 6th as well,
00:31:56.260 or uncovered.
00:31:57.640 And look,
00:31:58.560 I'm hoping though,
00:31:59.860 that frankly,
00:32:00.660 you know,
00:32:00.900 that this cancel culture has gotten past this notion.
00:32:03.380 They should be attacking inanimate objects as if they're the Taliban attacking Buddhist statues. 0.71
00:32:09.220 Again,
00:32:09.580 Churchill came to Southern Alberta in 1929 as part of a North American turnip, loved the place, painted some paintings in the Rockies,
00:32:16.900 was very supportive of the oil industry, actually, ironically back then, and, you know, was fascinated and loved Western Canada.
00:32:24.420 He thought it beautiful.
00:32:25.160 So, we're honoring that and his legacy and his, you know, his pushback against, you know, fascism in World War II, but also his time in Southern Alberta.
00:32:37.200 So, look, I'm hoping, frankly, that, you know, on D-Day, the 80th anniversary of the landings at Juneau Beach by Canadians and others, that there will be no nonsense surrounding any statue in Canada anywhere.
00:32:49.220 We should honor, again, those who fought in the World War II generation and where millions of people died in the cause of freedom.
00:32:54.780 Listen, I don't think any protesters would be foolish enough to attend on the day of the unveiling.
00:33:01.260 I'm just saying, I know that in the United Kingdom, there's a, right there in Parliament Square, outside the Palace of Westminster, there's a mighty statue of Churchill that's defaced all the time.
00:33:13.560 And, by the way, citizens go and clean it up all the time.
00:33:16.760 It's become a real center of this debate.
00:33:19.840 And I'm hoping, and I guess what I'm saying is, to put up a statue of Churchill in 2024 is a statement of reclaiming our past and defying the statue topplers.
00:33:31.760 And that's why I'm going to be there.
00:33:33.360 I'm coming all the way to Calgary for that statue unveiling.
00:33:36.880 I want to see it.
00:33:37.700 I want to mark it.
00:33:38.460 I want to brag about it, that Calgary's got it.
00:33:41.320 I want others to put up statues and not have the denunciation like we saw at the beginning of our segment where a quack historian was asked to lie about our past.
00:33:53.700 So I'm excited that that's going up.
00:33:56.080 And I pity the fool who would take a run at that statue.
00:33:58.960 And I tell you, God forbid if they do, I hope they're prosecuted to the hilt.
00:34:02.620 I don't mean to be so dramatic, but I think it is a dramatic thing to put up a statue of Churchill.
00:34:07.240 I agree.
00:34:08.120 Great to catch up with you.
00:34:09.260 Great to hear about the Aristotle Foundation.
00:34:11.320 AristotleFoundation.org is the way to check it out.
00:34:14.240 Thanks for talking with us about this, Mark.
00:34:15.580 I want to keep in touch.
00:34:17.120 Anytime.
00:34:17.600 Thank you, Reza.
00:34:18.160 All right.
00:34:18.600 There you have it.
00:34:19.040 Mark Milkey.
00:34:19.540 He's the boss over there.
00:34:20.900 Stay with us.
00:34:21.740 Your letters to me next.
00:34:34.880 Hey, welcome back.
00:34:35.660 Your letters to me about Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum announcing he's going to retire.
00:34:41.320 Mary Marr says he's a replaceable figurehead.
00:34:45.280 There's some truth to that.
00:34:46.380 I'm only in the sense that the World Economic Forum has grown so huge and has such a permanent
00:34:52.060 staff and permanent bureaucracy and other smart, capable people that he can be replaced.
00:34:59.960 But I think you downplay him.
00:35:01.980 He was the founder of this thing.
00:35:03.420 He's led it for 50 years.
00:35:05.740 He's like a human Rolodex, if you remember that old-fashioned thing, which would have like a bunch of business cards in it.
00:35:11.500 I mean, he knows probably more powerful people in different spheres of life, business, politics, academia, philanthropy.
00:35:22.080 He probably knows more powerful people than maybe anyone else in the world other than George Soros.
00:35:27.680 So I think he is actually much more than a figurehead.
00:35:30.960 But I agree with you only in the sense that he can and will be replaced.
00:35:36.200 Lynn Castro Trudeau says with his family already installed within the organization, nothing will change other than possibly getting even worse.
00:35:45.000 As I mentioned the other day, his daughter is, of course, involved.
00:35:50.060 She publishes some pieces.
00:35:51.480 She has some—she's had some modest roles to play.
00:35:54.600 I think she will stay there as a kind of nepotistic favor to the family. 1.00
00:35:59.860 But she doesn't have the charisma, the vision, the intelligence, the authority of her father.
00:36:06.580 I would be very surprised if she takes over that position. 0.87
00:36:10.460 No doubt she'll stay on—in the organization like a barnacle on a ship. 0.99
00:36:15.000 But I think they want someone who has the kind of global vision and name of a John Kerry.
00:36:22.780 Kerry's pretty old, though.
00:36:24.320 I don't think he would stick around for even five years.
00:36:28.120 It wouldn't be much longer than that.
00:36:29.920 So they might go for someone young.
00:36:32.160 They would never go for Justin Trudeau.
00:36:34.140 He's too stupid.
00:36:35.640 He's too unserious.
00:36:37.720 He's too flighty.
00:36:39.240 He's too shallow.
00:36:40.040 But I think they would go for someone around 50 because they would want to get 20 years of leadership out of that someone.
00:36:49.260 That's why I mentioned there could be a long shot someone like Leo Varadkar.
00:36:54.960 There are other 50-year-old ex-politicians.
00:36:58.600 Santa Marin of—I think it was Finland.
00:37:01.080 Jacinda Ardern of New Zealand.
00:37:06.760 I think they're too shallow.
00:37:08.420 Anyhow, we're all spitballing here.
00:37:10.420 But I think it'll be someone serious.
00:37:14.100 That's our show for the day.
00:37:15.560 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.
00:37:19.840 And keep fighting for freedom.
00:37:20.820 We'll be right back.