Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Rebel News latest documentary premieres in Calgary to a packed house

00:00:00.000 We're taking this show on the road.

00:00:16.080 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:00:30.000 Well, today's the day we premiere our brand new documentary.

00:00:39.280 It's called Made, The Dark Side of Canadian Compassion, and it documents Justin Trudeau's

00:00:43.480 use of medical assistance in dying, euthanasia, really, or medical killing, if we're going

00:00:48.960 to cut the BS, to eliminate the wait times in his failing healthcare system.

00:00:54.800 For those of you who don't know, medical assistance in dying, under its first iteration, was meant

00:01:00.780 for people who were terminally ill, whose deaths were in the foreseeable future.

00:01:05.380 Now it's expanded to people who have chronic illnesses, and very soon it will be expanded

00:01:11.020 to include people whose sole underlying condition is mental illness.

00:01:16.640 So people who are sad, people who are not able to get the healthcare they need so their condition

00:01:24.320 becomes chronic and painful.

00:01:26.760 Those people, they can get medical assistance in dying in this country faster than they can

00:01:35.200 get adequate healthcare.

00:01:37.260 So our new documentary, it's out today in Calgary.

00:01:40.620 If you want to see the documentary in a city or town near you, go to endmade.com to find

00:01:49.440 out showtimes and get tickets.

00:01:50.960 And I'm here right now, outside of the venue.

00:01:53.400 The documentary is screaming right now in Calgary.

00:01:55.900 So this is new and exciting for us.

00:01:57.900 This is my filmmaking partner, our head of documentaries, Kian Simone.

00:02:01.840 Kian, there's a lot of people here tonight, right?

00:02:04.840 Yeah, it's a packed room.

00:02:06.180 It's hot in there, even though the AC is blasting.

00:02:08.800 It's cold outside.

00:02:09.800 We're going to get rained on.

00:02:10.800 So we'll talk as long as we can.

00:02:13.040 But if it starts to rain, I'm worried about Kian's fancy camera equipment.

00:02:18.040 You and I have talked about this before, the last time we sat down for the gun show on

00:02:22.020 this topic, we were on the road.

00:02:23.280 I think we were in Ottawa filming the documentary.

00:02:26.420 The documentary is put together.

00:02:27.600 It's complete.

00:02:28.920 What was it like going through all the interviews and then piecing it all back together?

00:02:33.480 Heartbreaking.

00:02:34.480 Yeah.

00:02:35.480 While we were sitting there doing the interviews, obviously you could feel it.

00:02:39.720 It's in the room.

00:02:40.720 It's sinister.

00:02:41.720 Yeah.

00:02:42.720 Even though everybody in there is there for good intentions and trying to do something

00:02:47.220 to stop this.

00:02:48.920 But you could feel the evil in there.

00:02:50.880 And I think going back to it, I'm not just reliving it once, not twice, not three times,

00:02:57.260 not four times.

00:02:58.260 Right.

00:02:59.260 Going through these interviews, piecing it together, yeah, no, it took a toll on my mental

00:03:07.460 health.

00:03:08.460 I won't lie.

00:03:09.460 It's harsh, but I think I pieced something together that's palatable, has its ups and downs,

00:03:17.140 which I think people will appreciate because it is a really hard topic.

00:03:21.260 It is a hard topic and it's kind of complicated, you know, how did we go from really a change

00:03:28.860 in the criminal code where doctors couldn't be prosecuted for ending someone's life if

00:03:35.020 their death was in the foreseeable future to where we are, where doctors now are at House

00:03:42.360 of Commons committees proposing euthanizing inconvenient babies, really sick babies.

00:03:48.320 This is where we're at now.

00:03:49.460 And, you know, it's kind of a complicated route, several changes in legislation for us

00:03:54.700 to get here.

00:03:55.980 But I think you did a really good job of sort of threading the needle and then looping

00:04:01.800 back in those stories of the people who are living with the consequences of it.

00:04:05.880 When you were introducing the show, you mentioned that it got extended to people with chronic

00:04:10.140 illnesses.

00:04:11.140 And I think you glazed over that too nicely.

00:04:15.300 And it's something I kind of regret now after finishing the documentary is that it's not

00:04:19.480 just chronic illnesses.

00:04:20.540 It's homeless people.

00:04:21.820 That's not a chronic illness.

00:04:23.060 That's a chronic problem with our country, not with them.

00:04:27.060 That's a failing of government policy frequently, maybe with them a little bit.

00:04:30.600 But come on, like it's it's not even a problem with trying to get adequate health care.

00:04:36.160 It's trying to get adequate help for people and instead offering them aid.

00:04:40.400 So it's not even it's not a health care issue is kind of the way that I framed it in the

00:04:44.600 documentary.

00:04:45.640 But as I said, I regret not focusing a bit more on the fact that it's it's everybody.

00:04:51.760 It's not just people who are sick, who are depressed, who are this or that to everyone.

00:04:57.800 Right.

00:04:57.920 It it seems it's like it's a way out for failed government policies, people who were productive

00:05:04.160 individuals who are down on their luck, who find themselves homeless or who end up addicted

00:05:10.400 to drugs.

00:05:11.000 And maybe they don't have the good fortune of living in Alberta.

00:05:14.440 So they don't have treatment available and they have government enabling them.

00:05:18.140 Those people can get access to made in some provinces quicker than they can get access to

00:05:23.100 drug treatment.

00:05:23.760 And you're right, we shouldn't even be framing this as a health care issue.

00:05:29.940 This isn't a deep rot in our society that we are are really offering people suicide when

00:05:38.440 they're inconvenient.

00:05:39.360 I said evil earlier when we were talking about in the room what you could feel.

00:05:44.620 And sure, I think negligence is is plays into evil.

00:05:48.400 But that's I think more of what it is, is that a lot of people would go back.

00:05:53.280 And it's funny, I quote Adolf Hitler right off the beginning, but a lot of people would 0.94

00:05:56.780 go back and kind of try to relate it to that.

00:05:59.340 And I don't think it's a we think these people are beneath us and they should die because of

00:06:03.760 we don't believe in who they are.

00:06:05.140 It's it's literally we don't know what the hell to do.

00:06:08.360 So we're just going to do what we can.

00:06:10.460 And I think that's a serious problem.

00:06:13.020 And maybe controversial to say worse than evil, because there's no point.

00:06:17.840 Right.

00:06:18.160 There's no point to the killing.

00:06:19.480 It's we don't know what the hell to do.

00:06:20.920 Right.

00:06:21.940 It's the end stage of dehumanization where we don't even see the people in front of us

00:06:28.340 as people, but just a problem to get out of the way because we don't know what else to

00:06:34.740 do or we don't have the political will to do it.

00:06:36.600 I agree.

00:06:37.380 All right.

00:06:38.000 Well, that was that.

00:06:38.680 Kian, we did this documentary and it's dark and it's about a sinister, a failing of, I think, 0.99

00:06:49.720 not just the government, but also of Canadian society.

00:06:54.160 I think this is a failing of our culture that we accept this, although the good news is in

00:07:01.560 the documentary is that many people don't.

00:07:03.580 I think your documentary serves as an educational tool because you and I both know as we were

00:07:09.260 making the documentary, we were getting 50 percent of our emails were saying, Sheila

00:07:14.000 and Kian, there's no possible way it's as bad as you're saying it is.

00:07:18.140 And the other 50 percent were saying it's that bad and worse.

00:07:22.320 But the documentary, we interviewed the activists who are fighting for change.

00:07:27.380 And there's, you know, there's two pathways to change.

00:07:32.020 There's change the government, sure, but also change how we interact with our neighbors

00:07:36.900 because we found out time and time again, it's not really a crisis of health care, as

00:07:43.920 you say, or of pain and suffering.

00:07:46.700 It's hopelessness.

00:07:48.440 Yeah, it's feeling like you don't have a purpose.

00:07:51.660 And it's extremely sad that that's what it is.

00:07:56.080 And you can look at the data, like we say in the documentary, and it's very publicly

00:08:00.360 out there.

00:08:00.920 People choose it because they feel like they don't have a purpose.

00:08:03.960 And I think that that's where, well, that is where the documentary leaves off is that

00:08:07.720 it's not government because, and it's, you know, Pierre Paulyev says, when I get in

00:08:12.940 government, I'm going to stop the expansion to mental illness.

00:08:15.940 Okay.

00:08:16.140 And what?

00:08:16.840 And then what?

00:08:17.620 Right.

00:08:17.900 Are you going to peel back that we're not going to kill homeless people anymore either? 0.84

00:08:21.000 Are we not going to go to BC and take people off the streets and disappear them 0.92

00:08:24.880 too?

00:08:26.080 Like the government's not going to do anything.

00:08:28.220 It has to come from us.

00:08:30.920 And giving people purpose doesn't mean you need to completely change their life when you

00:08:37.180 know that their lives are going to end in three months.

00:08:40.260 It's going.

00:08:41.160 And my favorite thing in the documentary is going to play cards with them because that's

00:08:44.940 purpose for tomorrow.

00:08:45.800 For someone who has absolutely nothing is having something to look forward to the next

00:08:49.580 day.

00:08:49.820 And that's, that's kind of the message that, um, try to get out with the documentary itself.

00:08:56.580 I didn't make the documentary.

00:08:58.080 Actually, I did make the documentary at first to stop people from killing themselves with

00:09:02.900 MAID.

00:09:03.120 And I realized that no one who is going through that is going to watch this documentary.

00:09:07.980 Right.

00:09:08.160 And I had to stop kidding myself.

00:09:09.380 I had to put the extra work in to have someone who watches the documentary be the person who

00:09:14.620 stops someone from getting MAID.

00:09:15.680 They need to know how to speak to people who are, um, suffering from lack of purpose and

00:09:21.020 hopelessness.

00:09:21.580 And I think, I think I succeeded in that, in, in being able to equip people with what

00:09:26.460 they need to know of how to stop someone from getting it.

00:09:30.500 You know, you change the culture, you change politics, right?

00:09:33.540 Like politics is downstream of culture as Andrew Breitbart once said.

00:09:36.700 And I think that's, that's really where this starts.

00:09:39.220 Yeah.

00:09:39.380 We can, we can hope and pray from my lips to God's ears that Justin Trudeau is not reelected

00:09:44.680 in 2025, but that doesn't change the pernicious problem with our culture that people are suffering

00:09:49.480 around us and, and we're not doing the things we can to help them.

00:09:53.340 Yeah.

00:09:53.500 They, they didn't extend the, um, made to people with mental illness because they had a moral

00:09:59.600 problem to it.

00:10:00.360 They had, they did not extend it because they could not live up to and accept all of the

00:10:05.400 people who wanted mental illness made for mental illness.

00:10:08.240 It was a capacity problem.

00:10:09.860 It's a capacity problem.

00:10:10.920 And that says nothing about MAID. 0.87

00:10:12.240 That says nothing about anything else other than we have a problem with our society.

00:10:16.680 And, and that's, um, that's that.

00:10:19.480 Right.

00:10:20.540 And you know, your question or your documentary right in the middle of it, there's a question.

00:10:26.720 How do we know which people need mental help for suicidality and which people need medical

00:10:35.340 help to commit suicide?

00:10:37.900 And there's no possible way that any doctor can answer that.

00:10:41.800 Why in the world would you have suicide prevention when you can have suicide assistance?

00:10:46.940 Right.

00:10:47.200 Cause to them, it's the same thing.

00:10:50.080 And they just chose the other one.

00:10:52.660 Now, I know we talked about it last time you were on the show.

00:10:54.760 We're going to get rained on and your camera is going to die.

00:10:56.940 And then we're going to have to do a crowdfund for that extra camera.

00:10:59.560 So we don't want to do that.

00:11:01.260 But, uh, tell us a little bit and then we'll wrap it up.

00:11:04.580 Tell us a little bit about your, uh, your change as you were doing this documentary.

00:11:11.320 Cause you went on a bit of a journey.

00:11:13.000 I love that you're a filmmaker who approaches the topics with an open mind instead of with

00:11:18.160 a, with a conclusion and you find the facts to fit your conclusion.

00:11:21.560 You went the other way around.

00:11:22.600 Tell us what happened to you.

00:11:23.900 Yeah.

00:11:24.100 So I had a family friend who, uh, got made, um, and I agreed with it at first.

00:11:29.200 I, I, it made sense.

00:11:30.940 It was terminally illness.

00:11:32.460 Kids didn't want to, you know, look like that.

00:11:35.860 It'd be like that.

00:11:36.840 Got, got made.

00:11:37.840 Everybody was fine.

00:11:38.620 There was a very nice process.

00:11:40.640 Everybody was involved.

00:11:41.640 Um, like I wasn't personally, but I saw it from the outside and, and that kind of just

00:11:45.720 solidified it for me.

00:11:47.360 Um, but then, you know, you could, you see all of the crazy stuff that's happening and

00:11:50.860 I kind of just opened up and I said, okay, I'm going to come into this with an open mind.

00:11:54.700 And I have, I said it tonight.

00:11:56.180 I have never made such a radical change in my life on any topic so fast.

00:12:01.500 Yeah.

00:12:02.240 Like I felt like I was, I was there.

00:12:03.920 I was getting brainwashed.

00:12:05.280 I was getting brainwashed.

00:12:07.000 Um, bad choice of word, but I flipped so heavy.

00:12:11.440 To the other side.

00:12:12.160 And I realized that I had such a personal connection to it because I suffered from mental

00:12:15.580 illness when I was 18 and suicidality and failed attempts.

00:12:18.820 And it's, I didn't, I'm not here today because I'm bad at suicide.

00:12:22.980 I'm here today because of logistics of suicide and the logistics of suicide.

00:12:27.000 When you ask yourself, who's going to find me, um, how am I going to do it?

00:12:30.520 Will it hurt?

00:12:31.700 Maid gets rid of all of those worries and makes it easy for people like myself at 18.

00:12:38.100 And I, now I made it for myself.

00:12:40.660 I made it so that someone could have spoken to me with this and said, no, you don't need

00:12:46.500 to do it.

00:12:46.900 I wouldn't have been the government doing it.

00:12:48.240 It would have been myself either way around.

00:12:50.220 It doesn't matter.

00:12:51.800 Um, that's the change that I made.

00:12:53.540 It came from something non-personal to something extremely personal because I had never made

00:12:56.880 that connection.

00:12:57.600 Yeah.

00:12:57.760 All those barriers that prevented you from doing it were, are eliminated through Maid.

00:13:03.940 Who's going to do it?

00:13:04.840 Or I'm scared to do it.

00:13:06.120 Well, a doctor will do it.

00:13:07.080 Is it going to hurt?

00:13:07.620 The doctor said, it's not going to hurt who's going to find me hell.

00:13:10.500 You can do it right at the funeral home.

00:13:11.860 If you want to, he's going to find me.

00:13:13.500 We'll, we'll take your body and we'll, we'll just tell your mom. 0.97

00:13:16.080 Yeah.

00:13:16.380 We'll tell her after.

00:13:17.760 Um, it's funny.

00:13:18.840 Your personal story is different than mine.

00:13:21.060 Mine.

00:13:21.900 Uh, my dad died when I was quite young and, uh, my mom and dad made a decision not to have

00:13:29.000 us come to the hospital to see him anymore because he had very aggressive cancer.

00:13:32.840 And I wish that I had seen the process of him dying because I'm still jarred by seeing

00:13:39.940 the skeleton of a man wearing my father's suit in that casket.

00:13:44.240 I wish I had been able to go on that journey and to see it.

00:13:48.820 And, uh, I think part of made is that it's tidy and it isolates people from the reality

00:13:55.980 of death, but nobody gets out of here alive.

00:13:57.980 And I think we should all come to terms with it.

00:14:00.220 I think it's a bad analogy for a story.

00:14:02.780 That's obviously very important, but it's like watching the end of a movie before seeing

00:14:06.860 the middle of it.

00:14:07.700 Like it's, you just, you just don't know.

00:14:09.960 Yeah.

00:14:10.640 And then you're stuck.

00:14:11.380 Like you just can't watch the middle of it.

00:14:13.060 Yeah.

00:14:14.240 Well, uh, on that note, Kian, tell us how we see the movie.

00:14:18.500 And made.com made documentary.com, whichever one you prefer.

00:14:21.600 If you're seeing this on Wednesday, um, we're probably showing it right that minute as you're

00:14:25.780 seeing this in Lethbridge.

00:14:27.600 Um, but after that, we are going to Red Deer, Edmonton, Muir, Grand Prairie, Grand Prairie,

00:14:34.440 Fort St. John, Surrey, Ottawa, Elmer.

00:14:37.920 Elmer.

00:14:39.240 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:14:41.080 We are getting rained on.

00:14:42.360 We got to wrap it up.

00:14:43.460 Um, as always, thanks so much for tuning in and don't let the government tell you that

00:14:47.760 you've had too much to think.

00:14:48.820 Um,

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Rebel News Podcast - May 23, 2024

SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Rebel News latest documentary premieres in Calgary to a packed house

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