Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Canadian journalists complain that their job is harder than that of our soldiers and firemen — I wish I were kidding

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, a group of journalist advocates are complaining that their job is so

00:00:04.600 anxious, so stressful, that they have a PTSD rate greater than that of our veterans. I swear they

00:00:13.380 said so. I'll take you through the press release and the underlying report. That's ahead. But first,

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00:00:59.080 Tonight, Canadian journalists complain that their job is harder than that of our soldiers

00:01:07.060 and firemen. I wish I were kidding. It's May 25th. This is the S. Revenge. 0.95

00:01:11.960 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know? There's 8,500 customers

00:01:19.800 here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm

00:01:25.180 publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:28.020 I saw this today from a Globe and Mail journalist. I was shocked, but not surprised. Christy Kirkup says,

00:01:41.340 Report details alarming levels of stress for mental health of Canadian journalists and media workers.

00:01:49.300 Survey from November 1 and December 18, 2021 revealed health impacts resulting from the events of the last

00:01:57.860 four years. 69% report anxiety. 46% report depression. 15% PTSD. That's post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:02:10.900 That reporter linked to a press release. This one here. Press release says,

00:02:17.680 alarming levels of stress, harming mental health of Canadian journalists and media workers.

00:02:23.720 I'll get to the press release in a moment, and we'll look at the underlying study, too.

00:02:27.820 But I think we already have enough information, don't we?

00:02:32.180 You know what? It's been a tough couple of years for everyone.

00:02:36.640 Largely because of the media.

00:02:38.960 If it weren't for the media shrieking about the virus and deaths and trauma and risk and danger,

00:02:44.160 and getting it all wrong, by the way, with no context, with no proportion,

00:02:47.680 with no scientific knowledge, just absolutely engaging in fear porn, for kicks, for clicks,

00:02:55.080 to feel important, to feel they had an exciting story, to feel relevant, and to indulge their

00:03:00.420 instinct of control and government authoritarianism, if you hadn't watched a single news story or read a

00:03:06.680 single newspaper in the past two years, I promise you that unless you worked in a long-term care home,

00:03:13.100 home, you literally would not have known that there was a pandemic afoot.

00:03:16.740 You would not have known it were it not for the news media.

00:03:20.080 The average age of those who died from the virus was around 80.

00:03:23.680 The average victim of the virus who died was severely ill to begin with.

00:03:29.840 And I mean severely ill and very overweight on average.

00:03:33.120 So if you were a normal-ish person, average age, average health, average life, you literally

00:03:39.900 would not have ever known there was a pandemic afoot.

00:03:43.000 I blame the media.

00:03:45.140 So of course I blame them, and I blame the media not just for acting as propagandists and

00:03:49.740 fear mongers, but for actually pressuring politicians to go harder.

00:03:54.020 So yeah, we're all stressed.

00:03:56.380 We're all a bit anxious and depressed, to a large part because of journalists.

00:04:01.000 Also, no, I don't really have a lot of sympathy, especially for people who consider sitting

00:04:05.960 in an office and writing their thoughts on a website to be a job.

00:04:10.400 And I mean, I suppose it's a job, but it's not really work, is it?

00:04:13.880 And I say that as someone who does that for a living.

00:04:17.040 It's about as close to a hobby, a recreation, a playtime as you can get and still get paid.

00:04:24.200 I mean, you know who has had a rough two years?

00:04:26.100 Drivers, truck drivers, restaurant delivery drivers, everyone else was at home from the

00:04:33.180 Zoom class, the lawyer class, the accountant class, the government class, the lockdown class.

00:04:39.100 These guys and gals driving around endlessly, truck drivers, delivery drivers, especially

00:04:43.280 in the early days.

00:04:44.280 We didn't know how risky things were for not much more than minimum wage, by the way.

00:04:50.120 In their cars, in the traffic, no matter the weather, any working person, any real people, 0.98

00:04:57.380 any people who kept the rest of us in the style to which we'd become accustomed, truck drivers,

00:05:02.480 farmers.

00:05:03.840 Now, not a lot of sympathy for bloggers and propaganda, some sort.

00:05:07.620 And say, do you think there's a tiny, teeny tiny chance of journalists have, oh, I don't

00:05:12.760 know, just a touch of drama about them?

00:05:16.700 I mean, if you ask a coal miner or a factory worker or a construction worker or a, I don't

00:05:23.000 know, a fisherman or a delivery driver how their day goes, you might hear about how tired

00:05:28.820 they are or whatever.

00:05:30.980 But if you ask a writer, someone who writes for a living, how their day was, you might

00:05:36.180 get just a touch of hyperbole, just a little bit of self-pity, just a little bit of look

00:05:42.120 at me, solipsism, as they call it, just a small chance of that, right?

00:05:48.880 Journalists are always the heroes of their own story.

00:05:51.220 And these days in woke circles, the biggest heroes are the ones who are the biggest victims.

00:05:56.020 Of course, they're going to say they're victims.

00:05:57.780 Imagine saying that you have PTSD from being a journalist.

00:06:03.000 You know who really has PTSD?

00:06:04.560 PTSD, firemen, like those who ran into the towers on 9-11, soldiers, veterans who saw

00:06:11.680 cruelty, maybe even did cruelty, I don't know.

00:06:14.760 They saw violence, cops.

00:06:18.240 Those people have real PTSD.

00:06:20.540 Journalists, it's a sick and twisted kind of stolen valor, don't you think?

00:06:25.920 I tried to find some reliable stats on PTSD.

00:06:28.960 Here's the U.S. Veterans Department on their official stats.

00:06:34.560 It also seems to depend on which war they were in, which sort of makes sense.

00:06:37.760 I'll read it to you.

00:06:39.800 The number of veterans with PTSD varies by service era.

00:06:44.120 Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom, about 11 to 20 out of every 100 veterans, or

00:06:51.120 between 11 and 20 percent who served, have PTSD in a given year.

00:06:55.140 Gulf War, desert storm, about 12 out of every 100 Gulf War veterans, or 12 percent, have PTSD in a given year.

00:07:03.800 Vietnam War, about 15 out of 100 Vietnam veterans, or 15 percent, were currently diagnosed with PTSD.

00:07:12.020 At the time of the most recent study in the late 1980s, the National Vietnam Veterans Readjustment Study,

00:07:20.040 it is estimated that about 30 out of every 100, or 3 percent of Vietnam veterans, have had PTSD in their lifetimes.

00:07:28.580 So 15 percent at any given time.

00:07:30.100 I believe it.

00:07:30.680 So 12 percent in the quickest war, 15 percent in the longest war.

00:07:38.140 Here's some stats for firefighters and first responders that I've found.

00:07:42.480 It's from a suicide information site in Canada.

00:07:45.180 They say 22 percent of first responders develop PTSD.

00:07:49.520 That's a Canadian stat.

00:07:50.460 I've seen the number at 20 percent for American first responders.

00:07:54.180 I believe that.

00:07:54.740 You have some pretty rough things going on.

00:07:57.180 People dying in a fire, and if it's your job to save them from the fire, but you are unable to save them,

00:08:03.260 I can see how you would internalize that.

00:08:06.100 Maybe even think that you're to blame for the fire if you couldn't save everybody.

00:08:10.980 22 percent.

00:08:11.700 Sure, I believe that.

00:08:13.700 The people who deal with life and death every day and willingly run into a fire while everyone else runs out.

00:08:19.900 Sure, yeah, 22 percent.

00:08:21.900 But the same as some of our soldiers, right?

00:08:23.860 Soldiers and firemen and medics.

00:08:27.640 And to that pantheon of selfless people, we now must add journalists.

00:08:33.540 15 percent of journalists claim to have PTSD.

00:08:37.880 Yeah, so a higher rate than some of those coming back from the Gulf War, eh?

00:08:43.100 On par with our Vietnam veterans, eh? 0.99

00:08:46.360 Drama.

00:08:47.720 Oh, yeah.

00:08:49.020 Just ask them.

00:08:50.000 I'll read some more.

00:08:55.840 Here's the press release that based, these tweets were based on.

00:09:01.680 Workers in Canada's news industry, watchdogs of our democracy, are suffering disturbingly high levels of work-related stress and injury,

00:09:11.740 according to a new report released today on Parliament Hill.

00:09:14.720 Oh, is that who the watchdogs of our democracy are?

00:09:19.360 So not the soldiers or the police, not the courts or the opposition, but those losers?

00:09:26.300 99 percent of whom take cash from Trudeau?

00:09:29.360 If they're the guardians of democracy, we're in trouble.

00:09:31.860 They're the watchdogs?

00:09:32.820 More like the lapdogs.

00:09:34.180 They take payoffs from Trudeau.

00:09:36.280 They're not the watchdogs.

00:09:38.700 Where was their bark these past two years, other than barking at us, the powerless, and the service of the powerful?

00:09:45.200 Like I say, drama!

00:09:47.960 I'll read more.

00:09:48.780 Taking Care, a report on mental health, well-being, and trauma among Canadian media workers is a first-of-its-kind national survey study based on 1,251 detailed survey responses from freelancers to news executives, desk editors to frontline reporters, and video journalists.

00:10:07.840 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:10:08.600 So this isn't even just journalists, it's executives, like the rich guys in the big offices working on getting grants from Trudeau.

00:10:17.460 Guys like that, they're stressed out, are they?

00:10:20.080 It's folks who never leave their cubicle, really?

00:10:22.640 Lots of PTSD from playing Minecraft or whatever they do all day.

00:10:27.500 I'll read some more.

00:10:28.300 The study provides comprehensive data on how growing harassment of media workers, COVID-19 workload, job insecurity, and a culture that neglects employee health are causing high rates of anxiety, depression, burnout, and trauma-related injury.

00:10:44.100 Harassment of media workers, eh?

00:10:46.340 How about when media workers harass us?

00:10:49.420 By us, I mean you.

00:10:51.380 Call you names, demonize you.

00:10:53.780 The trucker rebellion, the key example for that.

00:10:55.960 You can see where this is all going, can't you?

00:10:59.000 It's priming the pump for silencing you from clapping back at journalists who are free to attack you.

00:11:05.580 You know, when journalists attack you, call you names, demonize you, marginalize you.

00:11:10.220 That's, what was it called?

00:11:11.640 Oh yeah, saving democracy, the guardians of democracy.

00:11:14.160 But when you and your friends peacefully drive to Ottawa to protest, your civil liberties being violated, and maybe you heckle the establishment, establishment politicians, establishment journalists,

00:11:23.540 you're now the enemy who committed a crime.

00:11:26.500 Actually worse, you're like a foreign army committing TSD on our loyal troops. 0.97

00:11:33.140 Here's one line that caught my eye.

00:11:35.700 Media workers face high rates of trauma, exposure, stories of death, injury, and suffering, two-thirds negatively affected by graphic disturbing story.

00:11:46.340 Fair enough.

00:11:47.080 Yeah, fair enough.

00:11:47.600 There's some bad stuff in the news.

00:11:50.680 How about don't publish it then?

00:11:55.200 You're doing it.

00:11:56.520 You're choosing to do it.

00:11:57.360 It would be like you're a pornographer complaining about sexual content.

00:12:01.400 Then how about stop?

00:12:03.360 News journalists complaining about publishing graphic disturbing stories.

00:12:06.480 Yeah, then stop doing it.

00:12:08.520 And stop doing it to the rest of us too.

00:12:10.800 But they got to sell those papers.

00:12:13.420 I read more.

00:12:14.000 Media workers face rampant harassment online and in the field.

00:12:17.960 56% report online harassment and threats.

00:12:20.940 35% experience harassment in the field.

00:12:24.580 Sorry, I don't believe it.

00:12:25.720 The 56% online harassment, yeah, maybe.

00:12:30.400 Not threats, I don't believe that.

00:12:31.780 But harassment, maybe.

00:12:33.080 Because literally everyone in the world is harassed online in one way or another.

00:12:37.900 Literally everyone.

00:12:39.980 Which is why every social media company, every app has a mute or block function.

00:12:45.860 And every computer or phone has an off button.

00:12:49.340 It's like that old joke from back in the 20th century.

00:12:52.180 Before caller ID and cell phones.

00:12:56.100 Remember those olden days where you dialed the phone.

00:13:00.660 It's like that old joke.

00:13:02.740 Officer, I'd like to report an obscene phone call.

00:13:06.200 That was a thing where you couldn't tell who was calling.

00:13:09.340 And people were used to answering the phone out of curiosity.

00:13:13.460 Who's calling?

00:13:14.400 And you wouldn't know.

00:13:15.100 No caller ID.

00:13:16.340 Officer, I'd like to report an obscene phone call.

00:13:19.800 He kept me on the phone for an hour.

00:13:23.060 Yeah.

00:13:23.680 If you're getting harassed online, then get offline.

00:13:28.000 Or just stop it.

00:13:29.380 Stop them.

00:13:30.060 Block them.

00:13:30.600 Mute them.

00:13:31.380 If you're getting harassed online, it's because you're permitting it.

00:13:34.020 You want it.

00:13:36.200 I don't believe that 30%, 35% are harassed in the field.

00:13:39.780 They don't believe it.

00:13:41.060 Unless they mean, at most, getting a mean look or being heckled from someone walking by.

00:13:46.460 Someone they've likely smeared.

00:13:48.440 You want harassed?

00:13:50.380 How about rebel news journalists being shot by Trudeau's police?

00:13:54.820 That was Alexa LaVoie. 0.97

00:14:17.400 Here's David Menzies, beat up by Trudeau's personal bodyguards.

00:14:20.840 Move.

00:14:21.720 I'm on a side.

00:14:22.800 What is this?

00:14:24.020 I'm on a sidewalk.

00:14:28.720 I am on a sidewalk.

00:14:30.360 What is this?

00:14:31.180 You cannot touch me.

00:14:33.000 Not rushing or working.

00:14:34.960 Hey.

00:14:37.140 Are you kidding?

00:14:40.520 Are you kidding?

00:14:41.440 Let go of me.

00:14:43.500 What is this?

00:14:44.460 You can't.

00:14:46.840 Am I under arrest?

00:14:48.500 Am I under arrest?

00:14:51.180 That's at the hands of Trudeau's cops.

00:14:53.080 No mention of that.

00:14:54.560 But please stop the mean tweets, guys.

00:14:56.860 That's harassment. 0.95

00:14:57.760 I read the study itself, not just the press release.

00:15:01.420 Here's a line under harassment.

00:15:03.620 One CBC journalist told us that toxicity directed at media workers has had an impact.

00:15:13.580 It's taking more of a toll on me than interviews with trauma victims.

00:15:18.540 I believe in what we do, and that has always carried me through.

00:15:22.800 But when it feels like so many other people no longer believe in us, it's discouraging.

00:15:28.920 Got it.

00:15:29.580 So you're mad that people don't believe in you anymore or believe you.

00:15:35.400 You're sad about the fact no one trusts you anymore.

00:15:39.060 You're sad about that.

00:15:41.000 And that's under the heading of harassment.

00:15:44.120 So that's harassment.

00:15:44.820 And we're counting that as harassment now.

00:15:47.120 Oh, and by the way, no reflection on maybe what you've done to lose their trust and maybe

00:15:51.520 what you need to do to improve their trust.

00:15:53.220 No.

00:15:53.480 You're just mad at them for not trusting you.

00:15:55.300 You're complaining about the lack of trust as if the people who don't trust you are the

00:16:00.380 problem, not you.

00:16:02.100 Here's another complaint.

00:16:03.940 Just stop and listen to this.

00:16:05.480 And remember, this is from something called the Canadian Journalism Forum on Violence and

00:16:11.200 Trauma.

00:16:11.640 That's who did the study.

00:16:13.840 It's just all so relentless.

00:16:16.700 The work, the news.

00:16:18.400 And even if our bosses care about us and want us to be okay, at the end of the day, the

00:16:24.720 show must go on and there aren't enough resources to give anyone a break.

00:16:30.820 I am seriously considering leaving the industry because I just don't know if this job is worth

00:16:36.380 the stress it causes me.

00:16:38.480 Producer, CBC.

00:16:39.500 Okay, so it's hard going to work every day.

00:16:44.440 And you hate the CBC and that's violence and trauma.

00:16:48.200 That's the name of the group that did the study, the violence and trauma group.

00:16:52.160 And you say it's worse than being a fireman or a veteran and all your stress.

00:16:55.820 Shut up, you brat. 1.00

00:16:58.420 Here's another line.

00:16:59.160 Feeling not cared for can have profound consequences.

00:17:04.640 As a writer for CBC said, most of the trauma I have suffered has been the result of poor

00:17:11.240 management and outdated approaches.

00:17:14.140 So much of it has been entirely preventable, but the will to prevent injury is lacking.

00:17:19.820 Wish I'd chosen a different profession.

00:17:22.060 Got it.

00:17:22.540 I don't doubt the CBC is a crappy place to work.

00:17:26.280 And I agree with you.

00:17:27.380 Maybe you should have chosen a different profession.

00:17:29.480 It's never too late.

00:17:31.080 But you haven't, have you?

00:17:32.600 You're not going to because I'm going to guess you love working for that velvet coffin,

00:17:37.960 the CBC.

00:17:38.760 You just love that government job that really can never fire you.

00:17:44.760 You're in the union.

00:17:46.800 Look at what Gian Gomeschi had to do before they fired him.

00:17:49.580 They didn't fire him after the accusations.

00:17:51.340 They fired him only because he admitted them.

00:17:53.460 So yeah, I'm not too sympathetic.

00:17:55.400 And we'll give them this.

00:17:58.160 They got one thing right.

00:18:00.920 Rethink alcohol.

00:18:02.280 That's one of the recommendations.

00:18:03.760 News organizations, unions, and associations should rethink their relationship with alcohol.

00:18:09.540 Yeah, that's a good idea.

00:18:10.720 I'm serious.

00:18:11.620 If someone's an alcoholic, get them some help.

00:18:15.040 But please stop whining to the rest of us how hard done by you are.

00:18:18.860 And don't call this violence and harassment.

00:18:21.300 Look, everyone is hurting in this country.

00:18:24.300 Well, not everyone, sorry.

00:18:25.980 Many people made out like bandits during the last two years.

00:18:28.660 The lockdown class, the government class, the Zoom class. 0.98

00:18:33.240 In fact, if you look at the chart, most journalists did great.

00:18:37.320 Look at this chart here.

00:18:38.440 It's only the freelancers who couldn't nail down a full-time job who were really complaining.

00:18:43.480 Journalists had the best time of their lives.

00:18:45.300 But actual workers have it tough.

00:18:49.580 Depressed, anxious, poor, drug addiction.

00:18:53.280 Journalists are to blame.

00:18:54.580 They're not the victims.

00:18:56.620 Hey, next time you see a journalist out there, be careful of the poor deers.

00:19:01.800 They're in shell shock from the horrors they've seen.

00:19:05.440 Even if they're calling you a racist, sexist, transphobe, be nice, you know?

00:19:10.200 Just understand they're very anxious.

00:19:11.840 Apparently, they may be drunk.

00:19:15.780 Go up to them and give them a thumbs up.

00:19:19.740 Tell them they really are the heroes who save our democracy.

00:19:23.760 Try not to laugh.

00:19:25.920 Tell them that we rely on them maybe even more than our veterans or our firemen.

00:19:32.240 And at least walk out of earshot before bursting out of laughter, okay?

00:19:38.520 Stay with us for more.

00:19:41.840 Well, about a decade ago, I wrote a book called Ethical Oil, The Case for Canada's Oil Sense.

00:19:58.140 And I'll say something you might find surprising.

00:20:00.500 It was a left-wing book.

00:20:02.060 I used left-wing principles and left-wing arguments to make the case for the oil sense.

00:20:08.020 I said, okay, what are the values of the left?

00:20:11.640 Environmentalism.

00:20:12.460 Well, look, this oil sense oil is more environmentalist than, say, Russia.

00:20:17.380 You know, civil rights, justice for workers.

00:20:20.920 I used the language of the left to prove to the left on their own terms that Canada's oil

00:20:26.400 sands was ethical oil, the fair trade coffee of the world's oil industry.

00:20:30.380 I think it was effective, but it was also conceding that my own conservative values were not persuasive.

00:20:40.600 I was trying to argue on their turf.

00:20:42.040 I'm glad I did, and it had some use.

00:20:44.980 But around the same time, there was a morally superior book to my own that was more honest, frankly.

00:20:53.000 My book was honest, but it's just not how I would think or how I would talk if I was talking to myself.

00:21:00.060 The better book was called The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, not conceding that you had to be shy or ashamed about it.

00:21:11.120 You didn't have to say, yes, we will reduce our emissions, but just a little more slowly than Greenpeace wants.

00:21:17.840 Or, yes, we'll phase it out, but can we have just a few more years of employment?

00:21:21.920 It said, no, fossil fuels are a positive thing, full stop, not the least evil, the lesser evil than OPEC oil,

00:21:31.940 which was really my argument, an ethical oil.

00:21:34.460 And its author was Alex Epstein, and I saw him give a presentation where he reminded us

00:21:40.340 that nature, in its natural state, unrefined by men, is, as Thomas Hobbes would say, nasty, brutish, and short.

00:21:51.400 I mean, just think about life in Canada.

00:21:53.540 If it weren't for fossil fuels, we would freeze in the winter.

00:21:56.640 Think of life, you know, anywhere there's raw life.

00:22:00.680 If it's cold, fossil fuels give us heat.

00:22:02.740 If it's hot, fossil fuels give us refrigeration.

00:22:06.940 Untreated water becomes potable because of fossil fuels and because of man's industrial accomplishments.

00:22:13.720 Those are good things, which is why the population of the world has never been higher,

00:22:17.640 and longevity has never been longer, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.

00:22:22.580 It's a book I wish I had written.

00:22:26.000 Well, the author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels has come back with another one.

00:22:30.080 It's called Fossil Future,

00:22:32.780 and it succeeds and updates The Moral Case for Fossil Fuel,

00:22:38.340 and what a pleasure to have him join us now via Skype from Laguna Beach, California,

00:22:44.100 my friend Alex Epson.

00:22:45.200 Alex, I so admired your first book.

00:22:49.260 That was a hell of an intro.

00:22:50.800 Well, it's the truth.

00:22:51.720 You know what, and every time, and I have one of your mugs, by the way,

00:22:55.200 which says I love fossil fuels, and I drink it proudly

00:22:58.060 because if you're a self-hating oil man, you're going to lose in the end

00:23:02.180 because you've already conceded that what you're doing is the lesser evil,

00:23:06.320 but you still admit it's evil, and you don't take that point of view, do you?

00:23:10.540 Yeah, I mean, one way to think about sort of the relationship

00:23:13.340 between the ethical oil argument and the moral case argument,

00:23:16.960 and I think both are true,

00:23:18.900 but the ethical oil argument is about the process of producing oil,

00:23:22.840 and the moral case is about the product.

00:23:25.960 So one is saying we have a more moral process, which is true,

00:23:29.800 but my argument is focused on the product itself is good.

00:23:34.540 And if you think of, okay, we have a process,

00:23:37.220 but the thing isn't necessarily good,

00:23:39.120 not that you ever conceded it wasn't good,

00:23:40.500 but if you don't really say that it's good,

00:23:42.900 then it's like, okay, well, we're like the cigarette factory

00:23:46.040 where nobody smokes making the cigarettes,

00:23:49.020 but they're still making the cigarettes, and that's the argument,

00:23:51.920 except in this case, they're viewed as much, much worse than cigarettes.

00:23:55.400 Well, you know, that's right,

00:23:56.720 because there was a generation where tobacco executives were saying,

00:24:00.960 yes, we're awful, but please let us operate.

00:24:04.320 And I think oil men got that same self-hating point of view,

00:24:08.540 and so they allowed themselves to be beat up.

00:24:10.500 First they said it just to make the beating stop,

00:24:13.200 and then I think oil companies hired a generation of people

00:24:16.560 who actually loathed oil.

00:24:18.560 But you don't.

00:24:19.720 You say it is a positive thing.

00:24:22.740 It's not lesser evil.

00:24:25.360 It's a good thing.

00:24:26.660 Make the case for Fossil Future.

00:24:29.600 That's the name of your new book.

00:24:31.380 Tell our viewers, in a nutshell, the case,

00:24:34.280 and then we'll tell them how to get the book.

00:24:36.620 Sure.

00:24:37.100 Well, you mentioned The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels

00:24:39.120 was the book you wish you had written.

00:24:41.020 Fossil Future was the book I wish I had written.

00:24:43.200 That is, I wrote The Moral Case in six months in 2014

00:24:46.940 when I didn't know nearly as much about energy

00:24:49.200 or how to explain it.

00:24:50.720 And it was this wildly successful book

00:24:53.180 despite those limitations

00:24:55.020 because it was getting at something that was really powerful,

00:24:58.240 which is that if you frame the argument really clearly

00:25:01.240 in a pro-human way,

00:25:02.960 specifically that your goal is very clearly

00:25:05.480 to advance human flourishing on Earth,

00:25:08.060 not to eliminate human impact on Earth.

00:25:10.100 If you recognize that nature is not this delicate nurturer

00:25:14.000 that's stable, sufficient, and safe,

00:25:16.060 but it's actually this wild potential

00:25:18.060 that's dynamic, deficient, and dangerous.

00:25:21.260 And then if you look at fossil fuels from that perspective

00:25:23.740 and you look at the full context,

00:25:26.220 so you weigh carefully their benefits and their side effects,

00:25:29.400 the benefits are just totally overwhelming.

00:25:32.400 And in Moral Case, I sort of got at that,

00:25:34.700 but in Fossil Future just totally nails down, 0.73

00:25:37.500 hey, here's the framework that I think about it.

00:25:39.360 It, which most people will agree with if it's explained,

00:25:42.700 but it's totally different than the framework

00:25:45.020 of what I call our designated experts.

00:25:47.060 And then I just show comprehensively all the relevant facts,

00:25:50.400 all the benefits, all the side effects of concern.

00:25:53.260 And you just, it's just crazy how amazing fossil fuels are.

00:25:57.220 And maybe the most shocking one is in climate

00:25:59.920 because fossil fuels are amazing climate-wise.

00:26:03.040 It's not just, oh, they're bad,

00:26:04.580 but they're offsetting things.

00:26:06.040 That would be true if they were bad.

00:26:07.920 But no, they allow us to master the climate

00:26:10.600 to such degree that climate-related disaster deaths

00:26:14.120 are down 98% over the last century.

00:26:17.700 So we've taken a naturally dangerous climate

00:26:19.940 and made it unnaturally safe

00:26:21.900 through some of the things you mentioned,

00:26:23.500 like fossil fuel heating, fossil fuel cooling,

00:26:25.960 but also fossil fuel infrastructure building,

00:26:28.360 fossil fuel irrigation, fossil fuel drought relief ships.

00:26:31.460 All these kinds of things have made our climate safe.

00:26:34.160 And there is no conceivable climate impact going forward

00:26:37.400 that could overwhelm those mastery abilities,

00:26:40.120 let alone all the other benefits of fossil fuels.

00:26:43.100 I mean, I'm just trying to think of the contrast.

00:26:46.080 And I just think of the city of Dubai

00:26:47.480 that a generation ago was nothing.

00:26:51.100 No one heard of it.

00:26:51.980 There was no reason to.

00:26:53.140 It was a village.

00:26:54.380 And now it's gleaming skyscrapers

00:26:57.440 in a very difficult climate,

00:27:00.480 a very difficult place.

00:27:01.520 They literally built islands

00:27:03.240 upon which luxury homes exist.

00:27:05.660 That whole concept,

00:27:08.800 the building,

00:27:09.620 let alone mastering the climate to build Dubai,

00:27:13.440 impossible without fossil fuels.

00:27:15.940 Impossible.

00:27:16.120 Singapore is another great example.

00:27:19.020 Just this world-leading place

00:27:20.580 in a climate that you just think,

00:27:22.260 no, who would live there?

00:27:23.460 But because they had

00:27:24.700 a pretty pro-freedom economic climate

00:27:26.640 in many ways,

00:27:27.320 and because they're mastering climate,

00:27:29.420 it's just this amazing place

00:27:31.040 that many of us would love to visit.

00:27:33.180 Well, take me through

00:27:34.120 some of the themes of Fossil Future,

00:27:36.920 maybe even some of the chapter headings

00:27:38.960 so people can understand what's in the book.

00:27:41.640 Sure.

00:27:42.220 So maybe the best way to think of it

00:27:43.660 is it has four basic parts.

00:27:45.820 And it's very simple.

00:27:47.220 So it's framework, benefits,

00:27:50.200 climate side effects,

00:27:51.300 and basically the path forward.

00:27:53.480 Those are the four basic sections.

00:27:56.160 And so framework is stepping back

00:27:57.760 and saying before we enter this issue

00:27:59.660 and decide what to do about fossil fuels,

00:28:02.160 which is the most consequential question

00:28:04.540 just about of our time,

00:28:06.060 we have to think about

00:28:07.100 how are we going to think about this?

00:28:08.620 And this includes what method

00:28:09.760 are we going to use

00:28:10.500 and what are our underlying assumptions

00:28:12.320 and values?

00:28:13.040 And I indicated before

00:28:14.040 the method should be

00:28:15.020 considering the full context,

00:28:17.000 weighing benefits and side effects

00:28:18.360 with the recognition

00:28:19.640 that Earth is not a delicate nurturer.

00:28:21.600 It's this wild potential

00:28:22.640 that we need to impact hugely

00:28:24.720 and that our goal should be

00:28:26.580 advancing human flourishing on Earth,

00:28:28.240 not eliminating human impact on Earth.

00:28:29.960 And I show that all of our experts

00:28:31.520 and what I call our knowledge system,

00:28:33.620 which is supposedly giving us expert knowledge,

00:28:35.740 is a total failure

00:28:37.080 in theory and in practice

00:28:39.000 because it's only looking at the side effects

00:28:41.160 and it's not looking at things

00:28:42.860 from a human flourishing perspective.

00:28:44.120 And it's assuming that nature

00:28:45.620 is this imaginary delicate nurturer

00:28:47.500 that our impact ruins.

00:28:49.420 And really, once you have the framework down,

00:28:51.900 the good one and the bad one,

00:28:53.540 it's pretty straightforward.

00:28:54.700 Then benefits goes

00:28:55.700 and what it shows

00:28:56.720 is that contrary to the idea

00:28:58.540 that fossil fuels threaten

00:28:59.940 to make our world unlivable

00:29:01.380 through climate change

00:29:02.980 and so the side effects

00:29:04.020 must be much worse,

00:29:05.360 actually fossil fuels

00:29:06.520 make the planet a livable place

00:29:08.620 in the first place

00:29:09.920 and they are not replaceable

00:29:11.180 in the near future,

00:29:11.840 which means that all this talk

00:29:13.200 of a livable planet,

00:29:14.700 that shouldn't be attributed,

00:29:15.980 that concern shouldn't be attributed

00:29:17.400 to climate change,

00:29:18.580 it should be attributed

00:29:19.300 to losing fossil fuels.

00:29:21.460 And then with climate,

00:29:22.320 what I show,

00:29:22.960 the side effects is

00:29:23.940 there's a range of warming

00:29:26.680 that you might plausibly expect,

00:29:29.160 but nothing in that range

00:29:30.760 can remotely overwhelm

00:29:32.380 even the climate mastery benefits

00:29:34.260 of fossil fuels,

00:29:35.540 not the other,

00:29:36.620 let alone the other benefits.

00:29:38.000 And maybe the perfect example

00:29:39.240 of this that we're seeing right now

00:29:40.580 is food.

00:29:41.440 And I have a video on Twitter right now

00:29:43.240 where I warned the Senate

00:29:44.240 six years ago about,

00:29:45.340 hey, if you do these policies

00:29:46.940 and if Europe does these policies,

00:29:48.280 we're going to have a crisis

00:29:49.120 and food prices

00:29:50.260 are going to skyrocket,

00:29:51.460 including because of fertilizer

00:29:53.020 that's derived from natural gas

00:29:55.300 along with the rest of agriculture

00:29:56.820 runs on fossil fuels.

00:29:58.440 And our leaders

00:29:59.440 have not told us this.

00:30:01.540 What they've done

00:30:02.000 is they've just focused

00:30:02.900 on the side effects

00:30:03.580 of fossil fuels.

00:30:04.580 So I'm pretty sure

00:30:05.180 you're familiar with Michael Mann,

00:30:07.040 the climate scientist

00:30:07.980 and activist.

00:30:08.720 But what I point out

00:30:09.500 is not just his hockey stick thing,

00:30:11.480 but what's going on with him

00:30:12.700 is he talks about agriculture,

00:30:14.280 but he totally evades

00:30:15.540 the benefits of fossil fuels

00:30:16.740 and he acts like

00:30:17.460 it's just negative,

00:30:18.680 even though fossil fuels,

00:30:20.000 as I say,

00:30:20.380 are the food of food.

00:30:21.540 They feed the world.

00:30:22.680 And so with people

00:30:23.260 like Michael Mann

00:30:24.180 distorting our thinking,

00:30:25.560 we are going to make

00:30:26.380 terrible policy decisions.

00:30:28.200 And what Fossil Future does

00:30:29.320 is it gives you

00:30:29.920 a total re-education

00:30:31.620 about energy

00:30:32.420 in incredible detail

00:30:34.360 from a human flourishing perspective.

00:30:36.280 So if you expect

00:30:37.060 to disagree with me,

00:30:38.400 you're pretty likely

00:30:39.120 to be somewhat convinced.

00:30:40.580 And if you agree with me,

00:30:41.560 you've got just

00:30:42.700 an unbelievable buffet

00:30:44.500 of clarity and ammunition

00:30:46.520 to use to persuade others.

00:30:48.380 You know,

00:30:48.980 I was reading

00:30:50.000 some Twitter post

00:30:51.140 by a lobbyist

00:30:53.560 named Rick Anderson

00:30:54.700 who said,

00:30:55.760 I got a Prius.

00:30:56.640 I don't, sorry,

00:30:57.120 I got a Tesla.

00:30:58.540 I don't care

00:30:59.200 about these high gas prices.

00:31:01.660 Well, okay.

00:31:04.960 Every single thing he buys,

00:31:07.320 every food,

00:31:08.020 every food item

00:31:10.380 he buys is in a grocery store,

00:31:11.840 every thing.

00:31:13.580 I mean,

00:31:13.880 there is nothing

00:31:14.760 that we don't buy

00:31:15.700 from apparel to,

00:31:16.840 you know,

00:31:17.360 Walmart

00:31:17.760 that is not on a truck,

00:31:19.760 that did not come

00:31:20.540 from a truck.

00:31:21.220 And if it grew in a field,

00:31:23.060 you know,

00:31:24.040 I don't think we have

00:31:24.860 a lot of horse-drawn,

00:31:26.400 you know,

00:31:27.160 plows these days.

00:31:29.660 Everything

00:31:30.120 is oil and gas.

00:31:32.420 And for this lobbyist

00:31:33.480 to laugh,

00:31:34.480 ha-ha,

00:31:35.220 gas prices don't affect me.

00:31:36.480 They affect everything, brother.

00:31:37.660 And the natural gas prices

00:31:40.260 and the coal prices affect,

00:31:41.540 particularly if you're

00:31:42.380 talking about solar and wind.

00:31:44.080 First of all,

00:31:44.540 China's making them 0.99

00:31:45.360 using coal,

00:31:46.220 so coal prices affect them.

00:31:48.200 But also,

00:31:48.800 natural gas

00:31:49.420 is the only thing

00:31:50.420 that's used widely,

00:31:51.500 or I should say

00:31:52.400 the most effective thing

00:31:53.240 that's used widely

00:31:53.900 to provide 24-7 life support

00:31:56.360 to unreliable solar and wind,

00:31:58.180 which can go to near zero

00:31:59.460 at any moment.

00:32:00.800 So,

00:32:01.360 if what's happening

00:32:02.380 is you're protected

00:32:03.440 from immediate price shocks,

00:32:05.120 you know,

00:32:06.400 because of regulations

00:32:07.480 and that kind of thing,

00:32:08.360 but those feed into your prices.

00:32:09.920 And so,

00:32:10.180 I've shown,

00:32:11.040 for example,

00:32:11.680 with Texas,

00:32:12.340 you know,

00:32:12.500 when their natural gas prices

00:32:14.660 skyrocket

00:32:15.300 and when they have

00:32:16.040 these shortages,

00:32:16.840 it costs the equivalent

00:32:18.000 of $450 to $900

00:32:19.500 to charge your Tesla.

00:32:20.940 So,

00:32:21.120 this idea that

00:32:21.860 anti-fossil fuels

00:32:23.160 doesn't hurt you

00:32:23.940 if you drive a Tesla,

00:32:25.400 which is a fossil-fueled car

00:32:27.020 fundamentally still,

00:32:28.660 which,

00:32:29.060 by the way,

00:32:29.300 Elon Musk blocked me

00:32:30.340 for Twitter

00:32:30.820 for having a very popular article

00:32:32.300 saying the Tesla S

00:32:33.380 was a great fossil-fuel car,

00:32:35.120 if you don't understand that,

00:32:37.120 then you're not going

00:32:37.760 to understand anything.

00:32:38.580 And, of course,

00:32:38.980 all the points you said

00:32:39.780 are true as well.

00:32:41.220 Well,

00:32:41.460 in California,

00:32:42.180 especially,

00:32:42.540 where about half the energy

00:32:43.600 comes from coal,

00:32:45.600 your Tesla

00:32:46.460 may not burn fossil fuels,

00:32:48.340 but it plugs into a...

00:32:49.620 Well,

00:32:49.820 not here.

00:32:50.280 Here it's not,

00:32:51.320 although we have,

00:32:52.300 interestingly,

00:32:52.780 Los Angeles is very coal-powered.

00:32:54.620 They don't know this.

00:32:55.440 So,

00:32:55.600 California itself

00:32:56.320 doesn't have much coal,

00:32:57.540 but Los Angeles

00:32:58.660 gets its power

00:32:59.840 a lot from Utah,

00:33:01.840 interestingly,

00:33:02.800 which has a lot

00:33:04.020 of good coal.

00:33:04.580 So,

00:33:04.860 we have this interesting thing

00:33:05.960 where we're trying

00:33:06.940 to parasite off

00:33:07.760 the rest of the country

00:33:08.540 so we can pretend

00:33:09.380 that we're going to use

00:33:10.120 the unreliable electricity

00:33:11.040 and we're just going

00:33:11.900 to import it.

00:33:12.900 But everyone is trying

00:33:13.760 to play that game right now,

00:33:14.820 which is why

00:33:15.360 we have regulators warning

00:33:16.700 of mass blackouts

00:33:18.160 around the country

00:33:18.860 this summer

00:33:19.300 because you can't just be a...

00:33:21.080 Everyone can't be a parasite

00:33:22.440 on everyone else.

00:33:23.880 You know,

00:33:24.060 a strange thing going on

00:33:25.520 in Europe too

00:33:26.220 to see countries

00:33:27.960 shutting down nuclear.

00:33:29.180 I'd like your views

00:33:29.780 on nuclear.

00:33:30.300 I'm pretty positive

00:33:31.300 on nuclear.

00:33:32.980 Europe shutting down nukes

00:33:35.060 and going back to coal.

00:33:37.520 Wind turbines

00:33:38.420 really not having

00:33:39.280 made a difference.

00:33:39.860 What's going on there?

00:33:40.600 And by the way,

00:33:41.700 the fact that Russia

00:33:42.980 is still able to use

00:33:43.940 oil and gas

00:33:44.860 as a strategic weapon

00:33:46.040 shows that Europe

00:33:47.220 has not weaned itself

00:33:48.540 off those things

00:33:49.460 despite all their

00:33:50.480 self-serving PR

00:33:51.400 for having done so.

00:33:52.340 Yeah, there's a lot

00:33:54.460 of important points there.

00:33:55.600 So nuclear I think of

00:33:56.680 and I talk about it a lot

00:33:57.960 in Chapter 6 of the book

00:33:59.900 on the different alternatives

00:34:00.940 and then I talk about it

00:34:01.900 in Chapter 10

00:34:02.640 which is about energy freedom

00:34:04.500 and what's the policy

00:34:05.540 that we should pursue

00:34:06.340 going forward.

00:34:07.300 And I'm a huge advocate

00:34:08.360 of what I call

00:34:08.940 decriminalizing nuclear.

00:34:10.920 Nuclear has been demonized

00:34:12.320 as this incredibly unsafe thing

00:34:14.340 whereas in fact

00:34:15.000 it's the safest form of energy

00:34:16.400 and that's led to a level

00:34:18.000 of regulation

00:34:18.740 and other opposition

00:34:19.820 that essentially makes it

00:34:21.620 impossible to build

00:34:22.540 at low cost

00:34:23.460 certainly in the United States

00:34:24.600 and this is a tragedy

00:34:26.360 because this is a material

00:34:27.780 nuclear material

00:34:28.560 it's a stored form of energy

00:34:30.500 it's concentrated

00:34:31.700 it's abundant

00:34:32.460 there's a lot to be

00:34:33.720 excited about with it

00:34:34.740 it produced relatively

00:34:35.760 low cost electricity

00:34:36.900 super reliable electricity

00:34:38.480 in the U.S.

00:34:39.040 and we've just

00:34:39.900 screwed it up so much

00:34:41.340 that it's gone from

00:34:42.360 four years to get

00:34:43.680 one of these things built

00:34:44.500 to 16 years

00:34:45.740 and sometimes it doesn't happen

00:34:47.040 so it's a total debacle

00:34:49.500 but it's interestingly

00:34:50.560 and importantly

00:34:51.420 the green movement

00:34:52.800 which is really the core

00:34:53.980 of the anti-fossil fuel movement

00:34:55.400 that has criminalized nuclear

00:34:56.920 and they also oppose hydro

00:34:58.500 and they also oppose mining

00:35:00.480 which is necessary

00:35:01.520 for solar and wind

00:35:02.440 and batteries

00:35:02.940 and in practice

00:35:04.020 they oppose things

00:35:04.800 like transmission lines

00:35:05.860 and building large

00:35:06.900 industrial things

00:35:07.840 which solar and wind

00:35:09.380 both involve

00:35:10.020 so the green movement

00:35:11.860 is anti-human impact

00:35:13.540 and energy always involves impact

00:35:15.700 so they're really

00:35:16.320 an anti-energy movement

00:35:18.140 it's really weird

00:35:19.660 just by the way

00:35:21.500 you made me think

00:35:22.280 about the anti-everything movement

00:35:24.500 this past week

00:35:25.620 the World Economic Forum

00:35:27.500 was gathered in Davos, Switzerland

00:35:29.160 we actually sent

00:35:30.000 some reporters there

00:35:31.380 to ask some questions

00:35:32.400 including

00:35:32.820 we managed to buttonhole

00:35:34.960 Mark Carney

00:35:35.580 the global warming guru

00:35:38.340 of the U.N.

00:35:38.900 what's their game plan

00:35:41.280 like why would

00:35:42.140 oligarchs and billionaires

00:35:43.800 who have vast holdings

00:35:45.260 including in energy

00:35:46.660 why would they at least

00:35:48.620 rhetorically

00:35:50.240 support the global warming

00:35:52.520 fear mongers

00:35:53.340 the carbon taxes

00:35:54.320 things like that

00:35:55.000 like

00:35:55.440 I think of Tom Steyer

00:35:56.880 who

00:35:57.600 briefly ran for president

00:35:59.920 for the Democrats

00:36:00.680 he made a ton of money

00:36:02.060 in coal

00:36:03.600 and other fossil fuels

00:36:05.000 like that's where

00:36:05.580 his billions came from

00:36:06.720 and now he's Mr.

00:36:10.040 anti-fossil fuel

00:36:11.240 and

00:36:11.780 you know

00:36:12.340 I suppose a guy

00:36:12.840 could have a change of heart

00:36:13.980 but

00:36:14.240 the folks at Davos

00:36:17.220 are major owners

00:36:19.000 of energy companies

00:36:20.460 they're not divested

00:36:21.600 but they have this rhetoric

00:36:23.200 about Haiti

00:36:23.800 I don't understand

00:36:24.800 the game there

00:36:25.420 do you know

00:36:25.740 what's going on

00:36:26.360 with those folks?

00:36:27.880 I think it probably

00:36:28.780 varies among them

00:36:30.180 but one model

00:36:31.500 I find very helpful

00:36:33.020 to think about

00:36:34.080 is that when people

00:36:35.320 have very large amounts

00:36:36.620 of money

00:36:37.180 they're willing to pay

00:36:38.580 a lot of money

00:36:39.340 for larger amounts

00:36:40.400 of status

00:36:41.100 and I think that's a lot

00:36:42.160 of what goes on

00:36:43.040 is that it's

00:36:43.740 it's somebody who has

00:36:44.580 hundreds of millions

00:36:45.440 of dollars

00:36:45.900 billions of dollars

00:36:46.760 they may

00:36:47.780 like they may build

00:36:48.600 they may be able

00:36:49.540 to participate

00:36:50.080 in something

00:36:50.620 where in some sense

00:36:51.460 they lose money

00:36:52.220 but they're viewed

00:36:53.400 as a hero

00:36:54.440 they're viewed

00:36:55.100 as this person

00:36:55.780 who's saving the world

00:36:56.820 and often like

00:36:58.120 people want money

00:36:59.000 for status reasons

00:36:59.920 I love money

00:37:00.640 and I love making money

00:37:01.660 but I don't

00:37:02.240 I don't think of it

00:37:02.940 as something to make me

00:37:03.920 superior to others

00:37:05.080 I just think of it

00:37:05.640 as oh it empowers me

00:37:06.620 to do more

00:37:07.120 it gives me more freedom

00:37:07.980 but I think for a lot

00:37:08.920 of people it's about status

00:37:10.040 so that's one of the reasons

00:37:11.620 and then the other thing

00:37:12.460 is the process

00:37:14.120 of either

00:37:14.920 of quote

00:37:15.700 fighting global warming

00:37:16.940 or of appearing

00:37:17.720 to fight global warming

00:37:18.820 there are many kinds

00:37:20.220 of favors

00:37:20.840 that are involved

00:37:22.340 and so if you're

00:37:23.380 a leader in that process

00:37:24.700 you can secure

00:37:25.480 many of those favors

00:37:26.420 you can get a lot of money

00:37:27.500 you can get subsidies

00:37:28.420 from government

00:37:29.100 I mean take somebody

00:37:29.960 like Elon Musk

00:37:30.720 not that he's in WEF

00:37:32.220 and in some ways

00:37:32.860 he's better

00:37:33.380 but you know

00:37:34.340 he has a business model

00:37:35.260 where what's called

00:37:36.340 zero emission vehicle credits

00:37:38.280 in California

00:37:38.920 get him billions

00:37:39.900 and billions of dollars

00:37:41.000 so there are a lot

00:37:42.100 of people who are

00:37:43.000 who find ways

00:37:45.140 to profit

00:37:45.700 even on things

00:37:46.840 that are not profitable

00:37:47.860 for the whole system

00:37:48.880 right right

00:37:49.660 I guess rent seekers

00:37:50.800 might be a phrase

00:37:52.280 economists use

00:37:53.060 you mentioned

00:37:53.780 the last chapter

00:37:54.680 the last section

00:37:55.400 of your book

00:37:55.800 is called

00:37:56.120 The Path Forward

00:37:57.540 give us a hint of that

00:37:58.740 so there are two aspects

00:38:01.340 of the path forward

00:38:03.360 and I talk about it

00:38:04.560 actually as a flourishing

00:38:05.720 fossil future

00:38:06.420 so one is

00:38:07.220 what are the policies

00:38:08.720 necessary to achieve it

00:38:10.240 and the fundamental there

00:38:11.860 is energy freedom

00:38:12.860 because it's not about

00:38:13.540 fossil fuels

00:38:14.200 just fossil fuels

00:38:14.920 happen to be the most

00:38:15.840 cost effective source

00:38:16.900 of energy

00:38:17.300 for the most people

00:38:18.420 for the foreseeable future

00:38:19.520 but we want all forms

00:38:20.860 of cost effective energy

00:38:21.920 and we need a lot more

00:38:23.060 energy in the world

00:38:23.880 because most people

00:38:24.600 don't have enough

00:38:25.220 and even the rich people

00:38:26.200 I don't think have enough

00:38:27.100 in the scheme of things

00:38:28.400 so we want to liberate

00:38:29.180 things like nuclear

00:38:30.060 maybe there's some promise

00:38:31.160 in deep geothermal

00:38:32.060 so that kind of thing

00:38:32.820 and I lay out here

00:38:34.000 what are the principles

00:38:34.880 and policies

00:38:35.620 that elected officials

00:38:36.560 can follow

00:38:37.220 I found it's really necessary

00:38:38.900 to lay these things out

00:38:39.840 so there's actually a chance

00:38:41.180 that they get done

00:38:42.300 and then chapter 11

00:38:43.420 is about

00:38:44.340 okay

00:38:44.680 now if you've convinced me

00:38:46.320 that we should have

00:38:47.100 a fossil future

00:38:47.860 and you can achieve it

00:38:49.120 primarily via a policy

00:38:50.660 of energy freedom

00:38:51.500 how do we actually

00:38:52.720 persuade people

00:38:53.780 to embrace that future

00:38:55.880 and so it's called

00:38:56.780 reframing the conversation

00:38:58.720 and arguing to 100

00:39:00.600 which is a term

00:39:01.260 some people might have

00:39:02.060 heard me use

00:39:02.720 and it's really saying

00:39:04.280 hey

00:39:04.580 what we need to not do

00:39:06.640 and this kind of relates

00:39:07.700 to some of the stuff

00:39:08.400 you brought up

00:39:09.020 with ethical oil

00:39:09.840 is we need to not conceive

00:39:11.980 the moral framework

00:39:13.080 of the other side

00:39:14.280 which on energy

00:39:15.600 is that our goal

00:39:16.620 should be to eliminate

00:39:17.920 CO2 emissions

00:39:19.000 and that the evil

00:39:20.480 is to increase

00:39:22.060 fossil fuel use

00:39:22.720 like we should reject

00:39:23.620 that framing

00:39:24.360 if you accept that framing

00:39:25.580 and try to argue

00:39:26.220 it's a losing battle

00:39:28.180 you need to argue

00:39:29.360 fundamentally

00:39:30.060 for a framing

00:39:31.240 of what I call 100

00:39:33.440 the goal is advancing

00:39:34.680 human flourishing

00:39:35.540 on earth

00:39:35.960 and then the evil

00:39:37.260 is eliminating

00:39:38.100 human impact on earth

00:39:39.320 and a key portion

00:39:40.680 a key aspect

00:39:41.940 of advancing

00:39:42.620 human flourishing

00:39:43.180 is expanding

00:39:44.380 human empowerment

00:39:45.260 so it should be all about

00:39:46.340 how do we expand

00:39:47.420 human empowerment

00:39:48.220 as much as possible

00:39:49.680 yeah

00:39:50.100 you know you just made me

00:39:51.120 think of the old

00:39:51.900 environmentalist credo

00:39:54.260 the three R's 1.00

00:39:55.800 reduce

00:39:56.580 reuse

00:39:57.580 recycle

00:39:58.560 yeah

00:39:58.980 and I suppose

00:39:59.880 if you're thinking

00:40:00.420 about garbage

00:40:01.260 sure reduce the amount

00:40:02.320 of garbage

00:40:02.820 if there's some way

00:40:04.300 to reuse something

00:40:05.560 sure

00:40:06.100 and recycle

00:40:07.360 if it makes sense

00:40:08.120 but I think that

00:40:09.340 their entire world view

00:40:10.760 is reduce

00:40:11.360 reduce everything

00:40:12.460 reduce the number

00:40:13.560 of people

00:40:13.920 Bill Gates is a big

00:40:14.900 proponent for reducing

00:40:16.160 the number of people

00:40:17.620 in the world

00:40:17.980 it's sort of creepy

00:40:18.640 to think of how much

00:40:19.500 of a depopulation guy

00:40:21.520 he is

00:40:22.080 when he's out there

00:40:23.080 with vaccines

00:40:23.660 I don't know

00:40:24.200 how those things

00:40:25.060 can be squared

00:40:25.860 reduce reuse recycle

00:40:27.560 as a way of saying

00:40:28.300 you know

00:40:29.220 make do with less

00:40:30.880 or as a world

00:40:32.000 economic form

00:40:32.780 I'd say

00:40:33.220 you'll own nothing

00:40:34.400 and you'll be happy

00:40:35.360 it's just

00:40:36.240 and I think it's

00:40:37.860 people repeat

00:40:38.720 that mantra

00:40:39.460 not thinking

00:40:40.340 I mean

00:40:40.620 we don't want to reduce

00:40:42.140 we want to grow

00:40:42.860 we want more people

00:40:44.340 happy people

00:40:45.200 we want life

00:40:46.620 you know

00:40:48.080 the Jews

00:40:48.520 have the same

00:40:49.060 we're trying

00:40:49.580 to life

00:40:50.280 yeah we should

00:40:51.440 we should come

00:40:52.180 I haven't come up

00:40:52.820 with it off the top of my head

00:40:53.600 we should come up

00:40:54.240 with an alternative

00:40:54.840 I like that

00:40:55.340 and definitely

00:40:55.700 one of them

00:40:56.320 would be produce

00:40:57.100 right

00:40:57.440 because like

00:40:57.900 produce

00:40:58.800 evolve

00:40:59.620 flourish

00:41:00.180 like those are

00:41:00.960 three things

00:41:01.660 right

00:41:01.820 you want to produce

00:41:02.640 value

00:41:03.360 you want to get

00:41:04.260 ever better

00:41:04.940 at doing that

00:41:05.620 so you create

00:41:06.100 more value

00:41:06.740 with fewer negatives

00:41:07.660 and then you want

00:41:08.540 to flourish

00:41:08.900 like you want

00:41:09.480 to enjoy life

00:41:10.200 you want to live

00:41:10.740 to your highest potential

00:41:11.680 and you want

00:41:12.500 billions of people

00:41:13.220 to have the opportunity

00:41:14.180 to do this

00:41:14.780 and we're still

00:41:15.320 in a world

00:41:15.680 where 3 billion people

00:41:16.760 are using less electricity

00:41:17.980 than one of our refrigerators

00:41:19.660 so the world has

00:41:20.480 like we so need

00:41:21.960 a fossil future

00:41:22.880 and I do think

00:41:23.960 that right now

00:41:24.660 we have a unique

00:41:25.440 educational moment

00:41:26.520 because we have

00:41:27.160 an energy crisis

00:41:28.020 and that's a bad thing

00:41:29.520 but it's opening

00:41:30.320 people's minds

00:41:31.120 up to the possibility

00:41:31.980 that hey

00:41:32.860 getting rid of fossil fuels

00:41:34.080 might be a problem

00:41:34.920 and maybe that's why

00:41:35.820 Europe is so

00:41:36.540 drastically dependent

00:41:37.740 on Russia right now

00:41:38.740 yeah

00:41:39.180 well there's so much

00:41:40.360 to talk about

00:41:40.960 and we can't jam it

00:41:41.940 all in one conversation

00:41:43.580 but I'm just thrilled

00:41:45.260 when I heard

00:41:45.800 your new book

00:41:46.300 was coming out

00:41:46.900 I was delighted

00:41:47.440 and I know

00:41:47.900 that some of the

00:41:49.080 mainstream media

00:41:49.860 tried to

00:41:50.480 you know

00:41:51.220 detonate your project

00:41:52.420 before it was born

00:41:53.300 I'm thrilled

00:41:54.040 that you've launched it

00:41:55.260 with such

00:41:56.100 excitement

00:41:58.800 I see a lot of people

00:41:59.860 talking about it online

00:42:00.940 the book again

00:42:01.920 is called

00:42:02.340 Fossil Future

00:42:03.860 it's called

00:42:04.800 Fossil Future

00:42:05.540 and just so that

00:42:06.680 people know

00:42:07.220 because it's

00:42:07.780 this is coming out

00:42:08.780 this week

00:42:09.140 if you order this week

00:42:10.280 which I hope you do

00:42:11.500 so this is what

00:42:12.060 it looks like

00:42:12.560 it's kind of a monster

00:42:13.500 but it's a

00:42:14.480 fun monster to read

00:42:15.880 it's got a lot of stuff

00:42:16.660 in it

00:42:16.900 just make sure

00:42:18.000 to send your receipt

00:42:19.020 to FossilFuture

00:42:20.640 at AlexEpstein.com

00:42:22.020 because we've got

00:42:22.440 a ton of bonus resources

00:42:23.640 that'll teach you

00:42:24.320 even more about energy

00:42:25.300 including how to talk

00:42:26.840 to anyone about

00:42:27.540 climate change

00:42:28.280 is one of the

00:42:28.840 live events

00:42:29.780 I'm going to do

00:42:30.580 which I think

00:42:30.940 would be particularly

00:42:31.540 interesting to your audience

00:42:32.520 so just email

00:42:33.160 FossilFuture

00:42:34.160 at AlexEpstein.com

00:42:35.360 with your receipt

00:42:36.360 that's great

00:42:37.160 and of course

00:42:37.600 it's on Amazon

00:42:38.300 and is there

00:42:39.800 a general website

00:42:41.020 you have

00:42:41.760 that's like

00:42:42.180 the best place

00:42:42.860 to go and say

00:42:43.500 well what's cooking

00:42:44.060 what are you up to

00:42:45.660 yeah I mean

00:42:46.940 I would just say

00:42:47.440 now you can just

00:42:47.900 go to AlexEpstein.com

00:42:49.140 and that has

00:42:49.680 all of my projects

00:42:50.520 there and you can

00:42:51.100 click and get

00:42:51.820 to any of them

00:42:52.400 all right well listen

00:42:53.400 thanks so much

00:42:54.440 for making the time

00:42:55.080 for us

00:42:55.340 I know you're

00:42:56.020 busy doing rounds

00:42:56.920 the book looks great

00:42:57.980 that's a thick book

00:42:59.120 there's a lot of

00:42:59.720 stuff in there

00:43:00.180 but it's

00:43:00.680 but it's plain

00:43:01.480 language reading

00:43:02.220 you don't have

00:43:02.620 to be a technical

00:43:03.240 expert to get into it

00:43:04.320 no no no

00:43:05.460 one of my new

00:43:06.540 buddies Vivek

00:43:07.260 Ramaswamy

00:43:07.860 who wrote

00:43:08.200 Woke Inc

00:43:08.720 he said

00:43:09.200 you know

00:43:09.480 any high schooler

00:43:10.520 can understand this

00:43:11.500 and that's

00:43:12.340 you know

00:43:12.900 I worked a lot

00:43:13.800 to make it clear

00:43:14.600 so yeah

00:43:15.080 for sure

00:43:15.600 anyone can read it

00:43:16.680 yeah that's so

00:43:17.400 that's so important

00:43:18.220 well listen

00:43:18.640 congratulations on the book

00:43:19.880 pleasure to have you

00:43:20.840 on the show

00:43:21.400 AlexEpstein.com

00:43:23.180 get the book

00:43:23.640 on Amazon

00:43:24.080 good luck

00:43:25.320 and we'll look forward

00:43:25.820 to talking again soon

00:43:26.860 all right

00:43:27.760 see you soon Ezra

00:43:28.440 all right

00:43:28.980 there you have it

00:43:29.680 the book is called

00:43:30.480 Fossil Future

00:43:31.300 stay with us

00:43:32.500 more ahead

00:43:33.040 hey welcome back

00:43:45.900 your viewer mail

00:43:46.840 lobster boy

00:43:47.720 I'm guessing that's

00:43:48.500 not the name

00:43:48.900 your mama gave you

00:43:49.580 we need to rethink

00:43:52.040 our relationship

00:43:52.800 with Trudeau

00:43:53.420 and the liberals

00:43:54.040 not the USA 0.84

00:43:55.360 yeah you're exactly right

00:43:57.420 I mean remember

00:43:57.900 that Trudeau

00:43:58.520 I think in the last

00:43:59.340 election he had

00:44:00.160 the lowest

00:44:00.780 percentage of vote

00:44:02.240 of any party

00:44:03.300 ever to form government

00:44:04.240 I think that's

00:44:05.000 a statistical fact

00:44:06.140 so we just didn't

00:44:08.220 have a real choice

00:44:08.880 Aaron O'Toole

00:44:09.340 was not a real choice

00:44:10.120 what I like about

00:44:10.920 the conservative party race

00:44:12.040 is you got some real

00:44:13.340 you know some

00:44:14.780 real different visions

00:44:15.960 Patrick Brown

00:44:16.860 John Charest

00:44:17.920 Roman Baber

00:44:19.140 Pierre Polyev

00:44:20.660 Les DeLuce

00:44:21.280 some real differences there

00:44:22.680 and I think it's quite likely

00:44:24.460 that you're going to

00:44:25.740 have a sharp contrast

00:44:26.860 between the conservatives

00:44:28.120 and Justin Trudeau

00:44:29.120 and we'll see if Canadians

00:44:30.200 want to choose freedom

00:44:31.380 we'll see

00:44:32.000 Darren 51283

00:44:34.940 now that's a name

00:44:35.800 your mama gives you 0.70

00:44:36.660 the following fact

00:44:38.560 speaks volumes

00:44:39.720 and serves to demonstrate

00:44:40.920 how people eventually

00:44:42.120 wise up to

00:44:42.960 who is feeding them

00:44:43.860 lies

00:44:44.640 and who is telling

00:44:45.600 them the truth

00:44:46.140 Tucker is immensely popular

00:44:47.960 and can use it

00:44:48.900 to gain in popularity

00:44:49.760 while the likes of

00:44:50.440 CNN

00:44:51.040 and the CBC

00:44:53.120 are only able to

00:44:54.360 attract an embarrassing

00:44:55.240 low

00:44:55.620 as in statistically

00:44:57.740 irrelevant

00:44:58.340 percentage of the population

00:44:59.780 that is very true

00:45:01.780 I mean

00:45:02.160 there once was a time

00:45:04.060 when CBC's nightly

00:45:05.760 news show called

00:45:06.500 The National

00:45:07.100 would often hit

00:45:08.740 a million viewers

00:45:10.120 I haven't even bothered

00:45:11.360 to check the stats lately

00:45:12.720 wouldn't surprise me

00:45:13.940 if it's maybe

00:45:14.960 a quarter million

00:45:15.920 these days

00:45:16.540 maybe even lower

00:45:17.360 they don't publish

00:45:18.700 their stats

00:45:19.200 because they're so low

00:45:19.840 but think about that

00:45:20.540 you've got a country

00:45:21.380 with 38 million people

00:45:24.020 so 1% of people watching

00:45:25.900 would be 380,000

00:45:27.800 they are not even at that

00:45:29.520 so when you say

00:45:30.940 the CBC holds

00:45:31.880 our country together

00:45:32.780 yeah no

00:45:34.140 when maybe

00:45:35.120 0.5%

00:45:37.580 of the people

00:45:38.180 even watch it

00:45:39.380 CBC's just a

00:45:41.100 make work project

00:45:41.980 for propagandists

00:45:43.200 it's not real

00:45:44.000 Allison Stewart says

00:45:47.040 Avi looks tired

00:45:48.380 but he is fighting

00:45:49.760 the good fight

00:45:50.500 every voice is a thorn

00:45:52.320 in their sides

00:45:53.020 oh he's been doing great

00:45:54.880 and we got six

00:45:55.660 journalists over there

00:45:56.540 you got to go to

00:45:57.680 wefreports.com

00:45:59.500 because I think

00:46:00.600 we've got to have

00:46:01.400 close to 40 stories

00:46:03.520 up there now

00:46:04.180 even in the past day

00:46:05.460 we've got some great ones

00:46:06.740 I'm so proud of our team

00:46:08.560 and it's great to be

00:46:09.320 back traveling again

00:46:10.260 we really hadn't done

00:46:11.360 a lot of that

00:46:11.880 over the last couple years

00:46:13.240 in fact many of our people

00:46:15.280 you'll notice that

00:46:16.460 there are actually

00:46:16.880 no Canadians on that trip

00:46:18.120 we have two Aussies

00:46:19.620 two Brits

00:46:20.240 and two Americans

00:46:20.940 because we're still

00:46:22.360 on the no fly list

00:46:23.240 here in Canada

00:46:23.800 let me close

00:46:25.860 with our video of the day

00:46:27.460 by Sidney Fizzard

00:46:28.980 what does the average

00:46:30.500 Canadian know

00:46:31.460 about the world

00:46:32.020 economic forum

00:46:32.860 he hit the streets

00:46:33.680 to find out

00:46:34.340 I'll leave you

00:46:34.960 with that great video

00:46:35.780 until tomorrow

00:46:37.100 on behalf of all of us

00:46:38.120 here at Rebel World

00:46:38.860 Headquarters

00:46:39.280 see you at home

00:46:39.880 good night

00:46:40.360 and keep fighting

00:46:41.460 for freedom

00:46:41.940 with the introduction

00:46:44.020 of new global initiatives

00:46:45.580 like those towards

00:46:46.660 fighting the coronavirus

00:46:47.820 as they would say

00:46:48.720 this trend of globalism

00:46:50.620 has re-arisen

00:46:51.760 and many are calling it

00:46:53.040 the great reset

00:46:54.140 oh reset

00:46:55.240 but they often

00:46:56.460 don't publicly announce

00:46:57.920 their stance

00:46:58.420 as much as they claim to

00:46:59.700 and they often say

00:47:00.380 that they're here

00:47:01.280 to support the common man

00:47:02.420 they want the betterment

00:47:03.240 of society

00:47:03.760 but what does that

00:47:04.840 actually mean

00:47:05.480 and how many people

00:47:06.240 actually know

00:47:06.880 about their existence

00:47:07.860 considering that

00:47:08.840 these big organizations

00:47:09.720 are trying to control

00:47:10.920 the lives of each

00:47:11.900 and every one of us

00:47:13.100 do you know anything

00:47:15.840 about the world economic forum

00:47:17.080 not really

00:47:18.700 no

00:47:18.900 no

00:47:19.280 I don't know anything

00:47:20.260 you haven't heard about

00:47:24.780 you know the great reset

00:47:26.060 the world economic forum

00:47:28.180 yeah but

00:47:30.780 no

00:47:31.080 a little bit

00:47:34.700 you're okay with eating bugs

00:47:36.000 right

00:47:36.260 no meat on the table

00:47:37.160 only bugs

00:47:37.780 that's right

00:47:38.840 I'm okay with being poor

00:47:39.620 joking

00:47:41.080 the amount of water

00:47:43.520 it takes

00:47:44.020 the greenhouse gas emissions

00:47:45.940 that it emits

00:47:47.100 compared to livestock

00:47:48.120 the amount of land

00:47:49.080 that's required

00:47:49.760 feed that's required

00:47:51.640 there are so many factors

00:47:54.280 that just lead to

00:47:56.360 you know

00:47:57.360 this is kind of smart

00:47:58.720 what if I told you that

00:48:00.340 they wanted you to eat bugs

00:48:01.420 instead of meat

00:48:02.120 you'd be okay with that

00:48:03.240 no

00:48:04.640 why not

00:48:05.720 you like your meat

00:48:06.360 yeah

00:48:06.680 I think that'd be absurd

00:48:08.360 you like meat

00:48:09.820 steaks

00:48:10.440 yeah I do

00:48:10.640 yes

00:48:11.100 bugs

00:48:11.460 would you

00:48:11.840 would you go along with that

00:48:12.760 no

00:48:13.420 I don't think so guys

00:48:15.540 you'd be okay with that

00:48:16.460 yeah

00:48:17.200 that would be awesome

00:48:20.520 that'd be awesome

00:48:21.300 oh how come

00:48:22.000 that'd be interesting

00:48:23.940 you'd be okay with that

00:48:24.920 I know all about that

00:48:26.120 kind of stuff

00:48:26.720 for the sake of the environment

00:48:27.920 is to switch from eating meat

00:48:29.080 to eating bugs

00:48:29.720 you'd be okay with that

00:48:30.820 maybe

00:48:32.580 maybe

00:48:33.300 I have tried before

00:48:34.480 I'm in the health food business

00:48:36.420 anyway

00:48:36.760 so

00:48:37.240 yeah

00:48:37.800 so

00:48:38.280 like from crickets to

00:48:39.720 maybe not ants

00:48:41.820 and stuff like that

00:48:42.580 but it's like

00:48:43.180 yeah

00:48:44.220 I wouldn't mind that too

00:48:46.200 I don't eat that much

00:48:47.260 meat anyway

00:48:47.960 so

00:48:48.340 I don't eat a lot of meat myself

00:48:51.340 I'm more of a salad person

00:48:53.040 now

00:48:54.080 in California

00:48:55.260 the big thing

00:48:56.480 is

00:48:57.540 bugs and dirt

00:48:59.620 gourmet dirt

00:49:00.780 that's

00:49:01.920 that's in California

00:49:02.880 I don't know if that's

00:49:03.880 that's

00:49:04.280 that's here

00:49:04.680 I don't know if you'd be

00:49:05.960 into eating

00:49:06.640 well what if I told you

00:49:07.740 that they wanted you

00:49:08.400 to live in a pod

00:49:09.180 you know like the matrix

00:49:09.980 that'd be kind of cool right

00:49:10.920 no

00:49:11.680 no

00:49:12.280 why not

00:49:13.060 I like my space

00:49:14.460 yeah

00:49:15.160 I value my space

00:49:16.800 and my privacy

00:49:17.540 do you want to live in a pod though

00:49:18.840 like the matrix

00:49:19.580 no

00:49:20.220 like the matrix

00:49:21.360 no

00:49:22.020 yeah

00:49:23.420 no

00:49:24.320 you don't want that

00:49:25.420 no

00:49:25.680 no

00:49:26.100 I haven't heard about that

00:49:29.620 but that would be kind of cool too

00:49:31.560 you don't want to live in a pod

00:49:32.880 like a matrix pod

00:49:35.200 no I don't

00:49:36.240 and then you go out and live your life happy

00:49:37.620 yeah not for me

00:49:38.680 you'd be okay with that right

00:49:39.780 I really doubt it

00:49:41.880 you know like the matrix

00:49:42.660 how everyone lives in a pod

00:49:43.760 you guys would be okay with that

00:49:44.960 no

00:49:45.260 oh yeah

00:49:45.520 no

00:49:45.900 we already do

00:49:46.500 yeah

00:49:46.800 living in a pod

00:49:47.780 fair enough

00:49:48.540 he's sarcastic

00:49:49.380 I'm not sarcastic

00:49:50.340 if they told you that you had to own nothing

00:49:52.320 and that you would be happy

00:49:53.300 would you be okay with that

00:49:54.180 no

00:49:55.880 no

00:49:56.340 you're okay if that dog was like

00:49:57.780 property of the state

00:49:58.600 and you were just renting it

00:49:59.440 right

00:49:59.620 no he's mine

00:50:00.420 can't take him away from me

00:50:02.920 this would belong to every single one of us

00:50:04.940 this would be my microphone

00:50:05.940 it'd be your microphone

00:50:06.840 but isn't that kind of like

00:50:07.860 that'd be my coffee

00:50:08.620 communism or something like that

00:50:10.760 everybody

00:50:11.200 everybody has

00:50:12.380 I wouldn't say that

00:50:13.700 you wouldn't have anything

00:50:14.960 I think people gotta realize

00:50:17.300 your health is your wealth

00:50:18.600 for one thing

00:50:19.320 own nothing

00:50:20.120 but be happy

00:50:20.900 how would you feel about that

00:50:21.740 not good

00:50:22.460 I like my stuff

00:50:23.660 you're okay not owning that bike right

00:50:25.440 no I would love to have my bike

00:50:29.360 yeah that's my

00:50:31.060 that's my mental stability

00:50:33.720 and everything else

00:50:34.780 so that's my freedom

00:50:36.860 that's how I get around

00:50:39.420 and it's like

00:50:40.100 you know

00:50:40.560 without driving

00:50:41.440 and everything like that

00:50:42.280 one of the things they're proposing

00:50:43.340 is that you're gonna own nothing

00:50:44.620 but you'll be happy

00:50:45.720 you guys would be happy

00:50:46.800 owning nothing right

00:50:47.560 well you know what

00:50:49.620 I was sort of a minimalist

00:50:51.880 and now I have more stuff

00:50:53.980 than I actually really need

00:50:55.600 so I guess you'd have to figure out

00:50:57.660 exactly what you'd need

00:50:59.620 and what you

00:51:00.120 what you want

00:51:00.940 because some people

00:51:02.440 have so little

00:51:04.020 and they're the happiest people

00:51:05.440 and then some people

00:51:06.660 will actually say

00:51:07.820 does this

00:51:09.660 do you own this stuff

00:51:11.060 or does this stuff own you

00:51:12.580 own nothing

00:51:13.480 and you're gonna be happy

00:51:14.320 all of us

00:51:14.840 you're okay with that

00:51:16.060 no

00:51:16.440 they're doing a great job so far

00:51:17.860 a great job so far

00:51:18.880 so he's

00:51:19.340 no I

00:51:19.860 I'm a literal person

00:51:21.320 no I think it's bull

00:51:22.280 I think it's very unfortunate

00:51:23.620 and it's a lie

00:51:24.520 of course no one is going to be happy

00:51:26.140 if they have nothing

00:51:26.980 or own nothing

00:51:28.240 I think that's bull hockey

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00:51:32.540 if you want to find out

00:51:33.480 a little bit more

00:51:34.140 about this whole world

00:51:35.140 economic situation

00:51:36.300 now I was actually interested

00:51:37.580 to hear that some people

00:51:38.260 had a bit of an idea

00:51:39.020 of what was going on

00:51:39.920 but if you want to know

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Rebel News Podcast - May 26, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Canadian journalists complain that their job is harder than that of our soldiers and firemen — I wish I were kidding

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