Rebel News Podcast - October 22, 2026


EZRA LEVANT | Carney signs defence and trade deals with Erdogan's Turkey as talks with Washington stay frozen

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Mark Carney went to Turkey and embraced the thug, Erdogan, their authoritarian president who locks up his opponents, who is abusive to his neighbors and who really shouldn't be a part of NATO. But that's Mark Carney's kind of guy. I'll take you through it. I'd like you to get the video version of the show. I want you to see a few clips of things. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com. Click subscribe. It's eight bucks a month.
00:00:27.480 It might not sound like a lot to you, but it adds up for us.
00:00:31.120 It's how we pay our bills.
00:00:48.020 Tonight, Mark Carney gets a 21-gun salute from Erdogan
00:00:52.300 and calls Turkey an exceptional partner.
00:00:55.300 Is it really?
00:00:56.360 It's October 22nd, and this is The Ezra LeVance Show.
00:01:01.980 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:14.000 They fired the cannons for him, 21 guns. 0.75
00:01:17.800 A military band played O Canada.
00:01:19.760 Horses escorted his car up the drive, and Mark Carney stepped up to the honor guard and said,
00:01:24.940 Merhaba Askar. Hello, soldier. Well, okay. He's the first Canadian prime minister ever to make
00:01:32.340 an official visit to Turkey, and he didn't come empty-handed. A strategic partnership
00:01:37.220 with a three-year action plan. Now, of course, Mark Carney has those for everything. It really
00:01:42.600 means nothing, but maybe there is something underneath it, at least symbolically. I mean,
00:01:46.860 a defense industry agreement, free trade negotiations. I mean, that doesn't mean a
00:01:52.220 free trade deal will be done, but they're at least talking about it. First round next month in
00:01:56.300 Ankara, the capital city. Now, Canada's export bank is teaming up with Turkey's. Translation,
00:02:03.080 we're going to be paying for a lot of feminist solar panels in Turkey. And more flights between 1.00
00:02:08.880 the countries from 12 a week to 21. So more refugee claims, I'm sure. Now, here's how he sold it. 1.00
00:02:15.760 Whatever it's blessed with, no country builds strength alone.
00:02:21.200 The most resilient countries bring together complementary strengths with trusted partners.
00:02:27.500 Our goal is not self-sufficiency, it is collective resilience.
00:02:31.720 And that's why Canada is building deeper partnerships with reliable partners that create
00:02:39.000 new opportunities for us both.
00:02:41.660 And in Turkey, we have an exceptional partner.
00:02:46.040 One of the world's most dynamic economies, a market of more than 85 million people sitting
00:02:50.900 at the crossroads of Europe, Asia, the Middle East, a network already of 24 free trade agreements,
00:02:58.260 NATO's second largest standing military and one of the world's most important and innovative
00:03:04.020 defense industries.
00:03:05.900 An exceptional partner.
00:03:08.260 Remember that phrase?
00:03:09.260 I'll come back to it.
00:03:10.260 a fairly big country, 87 million people. It's about the same size as Iran. It hosted the NATO
00:03:16.980 summit this summer, which I find really odd considering how hostile it is towards many
00:03:22.100 Western countries, including Greece. Turkey's strategically important. As you know, it sits
00:03:27.900 on the hinge between Europe and Asia. And it actually has a growing military sector, especially
00:03:34.680 in drones. They'd build the Bayraktar that became famous in the first weeks of the Ukraine war.
00:03:40.980 And Carney's energy minister, Tim Hodgson, gave the official line before they left. He said,
00:03:46.180 we need to engage with the world as it is, not the way we wish it to be. Translation, yeah,
00:03:51.540 forgive us for dealing with the world's thugs and authoritarians, but we have to prove we're
00:03:56.380 not in America's pocket. Okay, fine, let's engage. Let's look at Turkey as it really is.
00:04:02.620 Freedom House scores Turkey 32 out of 100, not free.
00:04:07.880 Erdogan, they say, has been, quote,
00:04:09.800 consolidating power through constitutional changes
00:04:12.420 and the imprisonment of political opponents,
00:04:15.400 independent journalists and members of civil society.
00:04:18.380 That's Freedom House.
00:04:19.900 Imprisonment of opponents.
00:04:21.580 It's not a figure of speech.
00:04:22.820 It's not a metaphor.
00:04:24.460 He does that.
00:04:25.480 I mean, in March of last year,
00:04:27.000 Turkish police arrested Ekrem Imamoglu,
00:04:29.960 the mayor of Istanbul. 0.96
00:04:31.180 Cool. Could you believe it? The biggest city. He's the one man the polls said could beat Erdogan.
00:04:36.880 They trumped up some corruption charges, of course.
00:04:40.180 The biggest protest in Turkey in a decade. He's been in prison ever since.
00:04:43.920 Can you imagine that? That's Mark Carney's kind of guy, I guess.
00:04:47.720 This spring, they finally put him on trial. Four hundred and two defendants.
00:04:53.160 A four thousand page indictment. Prosecutors are asking for more than two thousand years in prison.
00:04:58.820 It's a joke, but it's not very funny, is it? Human Rights Watch calls it, quote, weaponizing the
00:05:04.980 criminal justice system. And it's not ancient history. I mean, look at the last five weeks
00:05:09.640 alone. October 14th, just eight days ago, police raided Hulk TV, a popular opposition news channel.
00:05:18.120 They cut the live broadcast. Can you imagine? The government appointed a trustee to run it.
00:05:23.220 Arrest warrants for the owner and 16 others. September 28th, not even a month ago, a court
00:05:28.340 convicted a stand-up comedian named Denis Goktas of insulting the president. He'd already spent
00:05:34.180 three months in jail for a comedy routine. And in September, police in five cities rounded up at
00:05:39.940 least 162 people from gay rights groups. Now, I'm not a big Pride Parade guy, but Mark Carney's
00:05:46.360 cabinet never misses one, and Ottawa has not said a word about the arrest of these gay leaders.
00:05:52.980 Here's the line in the joint statement that got me. Canada and Turkey, it says,
00:05:56.140 share a commitment, get this, to quote, human rights, individual liberties, democracy, and the
00:06:01.780 rule of law. Somebody typed that sentence. Eight days after the police took a TV station off the
00:06:08.060 air. I've been telling you about Erdogan for years. Back in 2018, I did a monologue about how Turkey
00:06:13.780 had become the world's biggest jailer of journalists, more even than China. Eight years
00:06:21.420 later, he's just going full tilt on that. Here's a detail that caught my eye. Before he met Erdogan,
00:06:27.380 Mark Carney laid a wreath at the tomb of Kamal Ataturk, who was a great man, truly, the man who
00:06:33.340 made Turkey secular and Western, who put the Turkish language into Latin letters, like English 0.56
00:06:39.940 letters, who discouraged the veil. I said it in 2018. I said Erdogan's whole career has been 0.80
00:06:46.180 undoing Ataturk's life work. He doesn't want to be a president. He wants to be a sultan again.
00:06:53.640 So Carney bowed to the sultan, where he bowed first to the founder, Ataturk, and then he went
00:06:58.020 down the road and shook hands with the man dismantling him. That's Mark Carney. Want to
00:07:02.440 see what that looks like? I mean, the Hagia Sophia, the greatest church in Christendom for a thousand
00:07:07.320 years, a museum for most of the last century where anyone could walk in. But in 2020, Erdogan signed
00:07:13.780 a decree and made it a mosque. Again, he made the Christian church into a mosque. In 2024, he did it 0.62
00:07:20.820 again to the Korah church with some of the finest Byzantine mosaics anywhere. That is not a man who
00:07:27.120 believes different faiths can live side by side. That is a man who keeps score. And the Jews, I 0.73
00:07:32.680 mean, forget about it. Let me read you Erdogan's own words about Israelis. He said, quote, they are
00:07:38.180 only satisfied by sucking their blood. That's the medieval blood libel. The Jews drink blood. And 0.91
00:07:44.420 Joe Biden's State Department called it anti-Semitic and reprehensible. That's a Democrat response.
00:07:50.300 Eighteen days after October 7th, 2023, after the worst massacre of Jews in almost a century,
00:07:55.980 Erdogan said Hamas is not a terrorist organization. He called it, quote, a liberation and Mujahideen
00:08:02.500 group, Holy Warriors. Two months later, Netanyahu is, quote, no different from Hitler. And in April
00:08:09.080 2024, he welcomed the leader of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, to his palace in Istanbul. Twelve days
00:08:15.720 later, he cut off all trade with Israel. So that's an exceptional partner. What do you think? But 1.00
00:08:20.980 here's the part Carney really doesn't want you to remember, because Canada has done this dance
00:08:24.840 with Turkey before, and it ended badly. Those famous Turkish drones, the Bay Raktors I mentioned,
00:08:30.420 their eyes were made in Canada. The camera and the targeting turret came from a company called 1.00
00:08:35.040 Westcam in Burlington, Ontario. Canada sold them to Turkey with a promise that Turkey would use
00:08:40.760 them and only Turkey. And then in 2020, the war broke out between Azerbaijan and Armenia,
00:08:48.280 Armenia, largely Christian country. But of course, the Turks had the Armenian genocide. They killed
00:08:53.600 as many as they could. And the drones with Canadian cameras showed up over Nagorno-Karabakh
00:08:59.160 in a war against the Christian Armenians.
00:09:02.520 Don't take my word for it, take Global Affairs Canada's.
00:09:05.420 Their own review found, quote,
00:09:06.700 credible evidence that Canadian censors were used in that war in the drones
00:09:11.400 and that handing them to Azerbaijan, quote,
00:09:15.020 could be interpreted as being inconsistent with the end-use assurances
00:09:18.300 provided by the government of Turkey.
00:09:20.800 In plain English, the cameras ended up exactly where Turkey promised they would not.
00:09:25.700 Now, at the time, it was Trudeau in government.
00:09:27.360 He canceled the permits in 2021, but Erdogan, he was furious.
00:09:31.720 He told Trudeau it wasn't in the spirit of alliance.
00:09:34.240 Well, Mark Carney's here to patch things up, isn't it?
00:09:37.420 In January 2024, Ottawa quietly lifted the ban.
00:09:41.260 And a week after, Turkey finally let Sweden into NATO. 0.84
00:09:44.480 They were horse trading. 0.51
00:09:45.480 They were horse trading. 0.98
00:09:46.660 Turkey gets what it wants. 0.88
00:09:48.300 So here we are in 2026.
00:09:49.780 Carney signs a defense industry deal.
00:09:51.840 Turkey's ambassador says he wants to work with us on drones, munitions, and naval systems.
00:09:56.720 and a government official told the Canadian press this week
00:09:59.420 that Canada is ready to, quote,
00:10:01.200 resume a more regular export relationship
00:10:03.660 they'll continue to monitor like they monitored last time.
00:10:07.740 Now, the Armenian National Committee of Canada,
00:10:10.060 those are the Christians, they put it simply, quote,
00:10:12.400 we just do not believe at all that Turkey is the right partner. 1.00
00:10:15.660 Well, they would know. 0.90
00:10:17.440 Now, Mark Carney loves to wear that Ukraine pin, doesn't he?
00:10:19.720 He flew to Kiev for their Independence Day last year,
00:10:22.900 pointing to billions of dollars in aid
00:10:25.480 he's given from Canadian taxpayers. Next week in Montreal, his statement with the European Union
00:10:30.120 will promise comprehensive military support for Ukraine. So let's talk about what this
00:10:35.740 exceptional partner has been doing for Vladimir Putin. I'm talking about Turkey. Turkey never
00:10:41.360 joined the sanctions on Russia, not one. Turkey is now Russia's second largest training partner 0.93
00:10:45.900 after China. $52 billion a year, and the two of them say they want to double it. So Turkey is the
00:10:51.440 single biggest buyer of Russian refined oil in the world. It takes nearly a third of Russia's
00:10:56.920 pipeline gas. Russia's state nuclear company is building Turkey's first nuke plant. Due to switch
00:11:02.580 on this year, every barrel, every cubic meter pays for another bullet fired at Ukraine. Now,
00:11:08.620 I suppose that's none of our business, but I thought that Mark Carney was pro-Ukraine. He
00:11:13.960 certainly says so to Ukrainian Canadians. It's not just oil. The U.S. Treasury named Turkey
00:11:18.900 alongside China as a hub for exporting, re-exporting, and trans-shipping to Russia,
00:11:24.640 the Western technology that Putin's military runs on.
00:11:29.240 They sanctioned a Turkish company called Marjana,
00:11:32.260 hundreds of shipments to a Russian drone maker.
00:11:34.780 Parts, said Treasury, quote,
00:11:36.820 of the kind recovered in multiple Russian weapons systems used against Ukraine.
00:11:42.100 And they named them the Caliber cruise missile and the Orland drone,
00:11:46.220 the missile that hits Kiev apartment blocks.
00:11:48.900 A European think tank counted $242 million in dual-use goods shipped from Turkey to Russia.
00:11:56.760 Now, I mean, this isn't old news, just very recent, just last week.
00:12:01.920 October 15th, the European Union sanctioned two more Turkish companies for helping Russia dodge sanctions.
00:12:09.020 In June, three Istanbul tanker operators running Russia's shadow fleet to get around the sanctions.
00:12:17.780 Example after example, Turkey isn't shipping the Bayraktar drones directly to Putin.
00:12:22.700 It sells those to Ukraine. 0.63
00:12:24.220 It's actually making money off both sides.
00:12:26.740 Turkey has been one of the main backdoors for the chips and the parts inside Putin's missiles.
00:12:32.900 Erdogan sells to both sides in the war and he sends both a bill.
00:12:37.220 The Americans know it.
00:12:38.240 That's why they threw Turkey out of the F-35 program for buying Russian missiles.
00:12:42.780 And the State Department said, again, this summer, still no jets.
00:12:46.520 Washington will not sell Erdogan its best fighter.
00:12:49.620 Mark Carney just signed a defense deal with him.
00:12:53.920 So here's my question for Prime Minister Carney.
00:12:56.900 What's the plan to stop Canadian technology taking the same backdoor to Moscow
00:13:00.820 that it took in the war against the Christian Armenians?
00:13:03.600 I'd love to hear the answer.
00:13:05.620 I think that we'll get it the way Mr. Hodgson likes it in private.
00:13:10.100 But let's talk about money and trade and stuff just for a minute
00:13:14.360 Because that, I think, is more relevant to ordinary Canadians than geopolitics.
00:13:20.640 Last year, in the whole year, Canada sold Turkey barely $1 billion worth of goods.
00:13:28.020 Now, a billion sounds like a lot.
00:13:29.900 But in the scope of things, it's a sliver of a fraction.
00:13:33.760 Food, aircraft, machinery.
00:13:35.520 Now, we bought $3.2 billion from them.
00:13:38.880 So we actually have a trade deficit with our exceptional partner.
00:13:42.380 Now, compare that with America and Canada-U.S. trade.
00:13:46.040 Last year, we sold the U.S. more than half a trillion dollars in exports, 72 and a half cents of every export dollar from this country.
00:13:55.140 Do the math with me.
00:13:56.040 We ship more to the United States in 17 hours than we ship to Turkey in a year.
00:14:03.560 Qatar is another visit for Mark Carney.
00:14:06.220 They just buy 142 million bucks of stuff from us.
00:14:10.480 That's two hours of American trade.
00:14:12.460 Erdogan talks about a $10 billion trade target.
00:14:15.520 We do $10 billion with Americans every week. 0.95
00:14:19.260 Hey, dumb question, sorry.
00:14:21.720 Is Turkey going to buy any cars from Oshawa or Windsor? 0.93
00:14:25.620 I mean, 96% of the cars we export go to one country.
00:14:29.040 It's just across the river from Windsor.
00:14:30.940 Our car industry was built to feed one market. 0.86
00:14:33.560 There is no plan B in Ankara.
00:14:35.400 They don't want to buy our vehicles there.
00:14:38.320 Here's what that looks like on the ground.
00:14:39.720 On Stelco in Hamilton, laying off up to 500 workers,
00:14:42.880 Stelco says Canadian exports of cold-rolled and coated steel to the U.S.
00:14:47.020 are down 58% since the trade war began.
00:14:51.160 The CEO said something pretty simple.
00:14:52.880 He said, quote, once this trade deal is reached,
00:14:55.000 we will bring back these people.
00:14:59.000 The fix for Hamilton, Ontario, is not in Ankara, Turkey.
00:15:03.360 It's in Washington, D.C.
00:15:06.320 So where are the talks?
00:15:07.820 Where are the trade talks?
00:15:09.720 Well, there aren't any.
00:15:11.420 Carney walked away from the table on August 21st,
00:15:13.680 hours before the American tariffs hit.
00:15:16.400 In his own words, he said, I'll just quote you,
00:15:19.780 he said, at midnight tonight, the U.S. intends to impose
00:15:22.300 a 50% tariff on roughly $28 billion worth of Canadian goods.
00:15:26.820 And his response was to suspend negotiations
00:15:29.740 and fly the negotiators home?
00:15:33.200 It's crazy.
00:15:35.280 Here's Carney yesterday, though. Take a look.
00:15:37.240 I spoke to President Trump this morning for quite some time.
00:15:43.340 As I said in my remarks, we're ready to sit down and negotiate when the U.S. is,
00:15:50.360 but a deal that's in the interests of Canadians.
00:15:53.020 And you see very much in what we're talking about today,
00:15:55.940 some of the most important sectors that would have to be part of that deal.
00:16:00.680 Ready to negotiate when the U.S. is?
00:16:04.340 He was the one who walked away.
00:16:06.540 This is not happening.
00:16:09.120 His own Canada U.S. minister, Dominique Le Bonk, admits there are no formal negotiations, just conversations.
00:16:14.820 So instead of a deal, we got a check, $8.7 billion, Carney and Doug Ford yesterday, for stealing autos mostly.
00:16:23.440 Here's a number they don't put on the podium.
00:16:25.120 Statistics Canada says 1.9 million Canadian jobs depend on Americans buying what we make.
00:16:31.860 In the car and truck business, it's six jobs out of ten.
00:16:34.860 And no check covers that. Only a deal does.
00:16:38.940 In July, I told you, I didn't think Carney and Ford even won a deal.
00:16:43.500 I mean, sure, they do.
00:16:44.860 But their anti-Americanism is just too good for them.
00:16:48.300 It's good politics.
00:16:50.240 So look at the itinerary.
00:16:52.640 China in January, where Carney agreed to let in 49,000 Chinese car.
00:16:57.220 Qatar in January. Turkey today.
00:16:59.040 Next week, Brussels.
00:17:00.200 um they're actually coming to montreal the european union to make canada an associate member
00:17:06.680 of the eu the status that doesn't currently exist no one knows what it means including carney
00:17:12.920 who won't even say the words i don't think this is diversifying our trade i think it's a road show
00:17:19.300 i think it's like a touring play or something called anyone but america and the americans
00:17:26.920 After watching yesterday, the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa published a list of what it calls Canadian interference in their midterm elections.
00:17:33.500 It names Melanie Jolie and Doug Ford.
00:17:36.420 Here's Trump's trade advisor, Peter Navarro, three weeks ago.
00:17:39.580 When we put the reciprocal tariffs in, folks, we had lines at the door at the USTR.
00:17:46.600 And it was just amazing. I mean, countries were begging us.
00:17:50.920 Do you really want to spend any time on Canada?
00:17:53.320 because Canada economically is like a rogue. We're we're we're an aircraft carrier. Well,
00:18:02.300 how's that going to end? Any Canadians here like, please, if you're on case, get the hell out of 1.00
00:18:07.480 our country, because the problem you have is you lobby this country and you've been successful in 0.96
00:18:14.180 the past and you think you can keep doing that memo to Canada. You cannot do that. OK, that game
00:18:20.980 is up. And if you interfere in our elections in Maine or Michigan, you will pay even more
00:18:26.160 dearly. They're running out of patience and they hold the cards. That's the tough part.
00:18:31.380 So let me ask you, next year, which country decides whether your factory stays open,
00:18:37.300 Turkey or America? I mean, we all know the answer. So does Mark Carney. He just finds it easier to
00:18:43.620 shake Erdogan's hand than to pick up the phone to Washington. He's got a 21-gun salute in Ankara.
00:18:49.140 he's got no negotiators in dc that is not a strategic thinker that is a pout that is a sulk 0.83
00:18:57.540 but it's working for mark carney meeting every little thug like xi jinping and erdogan
00:19:04.740 it's gross it's gross from a morality point of view and it doesn't help from a trade point of
00:19:09.700 view but it sure whips up anti-americanism and that's the payoff for our prime minister
00:19:15.140 Stay with us for more.
00:19:24.860 Well, November 5th is the day that Mark Carney will release his budget.
00:19:30.080 Budget implies that it will be budgeting, that it'll balance,
00:19:34.120 that there's some checks and balances to the amount of money going out the door.
00:19:38.640 I don't know if that's going to happen,
00:19:40.620 but someone who follows the file very closely is our friend Franco Terrizzano.
00:19:43.720 He's the boss of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
00:19:46.780 What a pleasure to have him back on the show.
00:19:48.140 Franco, great to see you.
00:19:49.440 November 5th, you know what?
00:19:51.740 You and I, we try and be optimistic, but I think facts, you know, there's a bit of a track record here.
00:19:58.880 Past performance sometimes is indicative of future performance.
00:20:01.880 What's Mark Carney going to do?
00:20:03.840 Well, you know, I'm getting very worried.
00:20:06.520 I'm actually getting very worried about the state of our finances and the debt crunch that we're in.
00:20:11.380 And, you know, you brought up the word fact, OK?
00:20:13.840 And that reminds me, I'm going to paraphrase a former liberal prime minister and finance minister, Paul Martin, when he said that deficits and debt, they're not inventions of ideology.
00:20:24.420 They are facts of arithmetic and the quicksand of compound interest is real.
00:20:31.040 And Ezra, that brings me to this Parliamentary Budget Officer report, okay, that shows that interest charges on the debt are the fastest growing cost in the entire federal budget.
00:20:43.200 The fastest growing cost is just the credit card bill, okay?
00:20:48.340 It's very, very worrisome right now, Ezra.
00:20:51.040 I think we're in trouble if these politicians just keep going on their borrowing spree.
00:20:55.320 You know, Mark Carney had a lot of experience by being the chairman of a very large asset management company called Brookfield, which is like a smaller version of BlackRock, but still it was huge.
00:21:06.860 I think it had like a trillion dollars under management.
00:21:09.580 And he wasn't the CEO, so he wasn't the guy who would get in and, you know, spend a lot of time solving a particular problem.
00:21:16.220 He was more the big picture guy who chaired the meetings.
00:21:18.900 but if Brookfield lost billions and billions a year and they did so the next year and they did
00:21:26.700 so the next year well it actually wouldn't go on that long because the directors the investors would
00:21:32.620 would mutiny they would say your job is to get us a rate of return now I know that the job of a
00:21:38.340 government is not a financial rate of return but even if you're borrowing and taxing you got to
00:21:44.580 something to to show for it and i don't know if we do how can a guy who ran such a tight ship at
00:21:50.820 brookfield be such a sloppy red red ink guy when he's in government well where else did carney
00:21:59.520 work well um the bank of england central banks yeah central what do central banks do they print
00:22:05.340 money right i guess he's used to printing like monopoly money oh i'll just print some more maybe
00:22:10.100 that's his mindset and let me just say something okay the cost of living in canada is out of
00:22:15.840 control because the cost of government is out of control and there's many different things ezra
00:22:20.180 that influence this price or that price but the single thing that pushes prices upward over time
00:22:27.600 is the printing press all prices in an economy over time that is the printing press here's how
00:22:33.200 the inflation tax works folks and we saw it during the heart of the pandemic when the bank of canada
00:22:38.100 the central bank here in canada printed hundreds of billions of dollars out of thin air right
00:22:44.320 largely to finance ottawa's deficits and then dropped all that new money okay into an economy
00:22:50.580 that was going through revolving lockdowns okay so they can print new money out of thin air with
00:22:56.160 the click of a keypad you know what you can't print up with the click of a keypad all the stuff
00:23:01.040 money buys gasoline farmland groceries this is the inflation tax too many dollars chasing too few
00:23:07.140 goods. And during the heart of the pandemic, largely financing Ottawa's runaway deficits and
00:23:12.080 borrowing. Right. So what I think that's a great analogy or a great point, because if there's,
00:23:19.940 let's say, a hundred dollars in the economy and some guy called government prints himself 100
00:23:25.240 more dollars, he suddenly has half the value of the economy and everyone else, even though they
00:23:32.020 still have the same number of bills in their wallet, they're half as wealthy as they were
00:23:36.480 before because the value was sopped up by the guy who's printing dollars um i don't i wonder if
00:23:42.820 ordinary folks understand how government printing money makes their dollars worth less i mean it's
00:23:50.860 it you have to sort of understand the abstraction of a money supply and printing money and i'm not
00:23:57.100 sure folks think about that a lot do you how do you explain that to people who are smart but not
00:24:02.800 maybe formally trained in monetary economics well look i actually think normal people understand
00:24:10.700 it more than many people who have phds in economics right good point they go to all this schooling to
00:24:15.780 essentially uh twist themselves into a pretzel uh to try and pretend like they don't understand
00:24:20.580 the obvious reality of the fact that you print more money the more dollars a government prints
00:24:24.740 the less that everyone else's dollars bought right right and like people might not understand
00:24:29.820 the mechanism of how the government prints money, but people understand that if the government
00:24:33.800 prints more money, things are going to get more expensive, right? You know, the value of people's
00:24:39.700 dollars get less. But here's the thing, Ezra, not only does it cause inflation, right? The printing
00:24:45.560 press, not only does it cause inflation, it's also a redistribution effect, right? Because
00:24:50.680 it's essentially a wealth transfer from people who get the new money last to the people who are
00:24:55.940 closest to the new money. Okay. Not only that inflation, the inflation tax, it's such an
00:25:01.980 undemocratic tax, right? Uh, for example, uh, people understand when a government raises income
00:25:06.780 taxes or sales taxes, and then they're able to hold those politicians accountable. Well, nobody
00:25:11.080 elects, uh, a central bank governor. And also it's very hard to detect when the central bank
00:25:16.900 is in this like inflationary printing doll, uh, printing new money out of thin air. Like it takes
00:25:21.400 time to actually go through the records uh that are hard to find or at least to the average person
00:25:26.440 to be able to detect when the government is doing it you know i'm thinking about what you're saying
00:25:31.240 and i always used to think of mark carney as the brookfield guy because that's how he met
00:25:36.960 that xi jinping that's how he got mucking about in all sorts of left-wing schemes that need
00:25:42.740 subsidies like solar and wind but his formative years i think were bank of canada bank of england
00:25:48.920 where he realized he could just, you know, turn,
00:25:52.400 you were saying printing press, of course you mean for money.
00:25:54.780 He just prints, prints, prints money and how that,
00:25:59.180 I don't want to say steals wealth, but it sort of does.
00:26:02.360 Like if you can print a billion dollars in real money,
00:26:07.040 the value of that money was stolen from the guys who earned the money.
00:26:11.560 You just, it's almost like your government cash is counterfeit.
00:26:14.840 The problem is it's not counterfeit, so it steals the value.
00:26:18.920 I don't know. I just wish I was better at explaining.
00:26:21.780 I think you're pretty good at explaining it.
00:26:23.200 I think if people knew the harm of central banks printing money,
00:26:28.240 I think, I mean, maybe it's just me.
00:26:30.040 I think I need to think about that a bit more,
00:26:31.900 and maybe that's where Mark Carney learned his bad behavior.
00:26:35.260 Well, look, it really is this, like, everything is so expensive,
00:26:39.720 and there's many reasons, like I said, why this price, that price changes.
00:26:43.740 But the steady drumbeat of higher prices in an economy,
00:26:48.920 That is the inflation tax.
00:26:50.540 That is money printing by central banks and the entire system that allows it to happen.
00:26:56.560 But as I just do want to go back, not just at the cost directly through inflation, but the interest costs as well, because we're talking about this budget.
00:27:05.540 Folks, I said that the interest was the fastest growing expense in the federal budget.
00:27:09.960 I just want to give you some numbers.
00:27:11.180 OK, five years ago in 2021, interest on the debt was twenty five billion dollars today.
00:27:16.600 59 billion dollars okay interest on the debt more than doubled in like a five-year span
00:27:24.580 it's crazy ezra is there any hope in this budget are you do you think that he might
00:27:31.060 do something to try and telegraph to ordinary canadians or maybe business people or investors
00:27:37.080 that he's not as out of control as trudeau was is there anything you think he might do that's good
00:27:41.960 i think there's going to be some tax relief like like that tax write-off the deduction i think that
00:27:47.980 stuff is is pretty good i don't think it's going to go nearly as far um in terms of the spending
00:27:52.660 side the borrowing which i'm really worried about like we're probably going to see a borrowing
00:27:57.280 around the 60 maybe even 70 billion dollar range um but here's the thing right the problem is that
00:28:03.780 carney will say that he's finding savings right spend less spend less spend less and yet he's
00:28:09.200 spending billions of dollars more than even trudeau right you you actually just look at the
00:28:13.620 numbers uh carney is borrowing more money than what trudeau planned to borrow over the exact same
00:28:19.180 years right so uh you know the banker is supposed to be better with the numbers than the drama
00:28:23.400 teacher but the banker uh plans to borrow billions of dollars more well you know i love to see you
00:28:29.140 you're always full of positive energy but the subjects we talk about are always pessimistic
00:28:33.020 so I leave somewhat emotionally drained
00:28:37.260 because I know that you are the watchdog
00:28:39.900 and things are not going in the right direction
00:28:43.380 but keep up your work, Franco.
00:28:45.220 You've got a great team coast to coast
00:28:47.360 over the course of time we've had a chance to interview
00:28:49.120 pretty much everyone at the Taxpayers
00:28:50.820 and you guys are really on the side of the good guys
00:28:53.820 so keep it up and thanks for taking the time with us.
00:28:56.220 Hey, I appreciate you, Ezra. Thank you.
00:28:57.700 All right, there he is, Franco Terzano.
00:28:59.080 He's the big boss of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
00:29:01.620 Stay with us. Your letters to me next.
00:29:12.120 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me on Quebec and their interesting response to Alberta.
00:29:18.980 John Hunter says the Quebec premier seems like a great leader and hopefully we can work together for change.
00:29:24.020 Yeah, he really is open minded. And I don't want to be solipsistic.
00:29:28.120 But the fact that he spent an hour before the election talking to Alexa Lavoie, I mean, of course, I'm very proud of that as the rebel boss, but I think that shows some open-mindedness and some resistance to political correctness.
00:29:40.480 All the mean girls in the Quebec press gallery tried to scorn and shame him for talking to Alexa, and he didn't care.
00:29:47.500 I thought that was pretty cool.
00:29:49.280 Jane Doe says,
00:29:49.920 Sorry, Ezra, according to CTB, Alberta overwhelmingly voted 75% for Mark Carney, who is now the most beloved politician in our province, 51% approval rating.
00:30:02.300 Well, they are accurate on that referendum vote.
00:30:05.460 It's true.
00:30:06.720 And it may well be true that Mark Carney has the highest support numbers in Alberta.
00:30:11.600 It is tough to be a conservative in Canada today, but this too will pass.
00:30:17.280 The question is, what do you stand for, regardless of the polls?
00:30:21.680 Stick to your principles, and the tide that is in will go out.
00:30:27.400 The two TLCs says, question, how does the media show 100% polling done polling?
00:30:33.360 How do you get 7% over 100?
00:30:35.420 How can there be more votes cast than eligible voters?
00:30:38.700 I think you're talking about Calgary Varsity.
00:30:40.440 I saw some anomalies there.
00:30:42.160 I'm going to look into it a little bit more, but I don't have the answer yet.
00:30:45.460 Yvette Malacca says, Keith Wilson should be Alberta Premier.
00:30:48.940 Well, he's certainly got the right demeanor,
00:30:51.120 and he carries himself very well, and he's thoughtful and accomplished.
00:30:54.060 I've really, I mean, I've known him for years,
00:30:56.240 but I've really been impressed with him this past year,
00:30:58.860 and I look forward to seeing what he does next.
00:31:01.520 Well, that's our show for the day.
00:31:03.420 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
00:31:06.620 to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.
00:31:14.700 Thank you.