Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Catching up with Gavin McInnes

00:00:00.680 Hello, my friends. Today, a very special podcast with Gavin McInnes, perhaps the wildest wild man to pass through the doors of Rebel News.

00:00:09.820 And I'll catch up on what's he doing these days? What's he got to say about the Proud Boys, about censorship, about Elon Musk, about the lockdowns?

00:00:17.460 We'll get Gavin's unique take. That's ahead.

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00:00:58.120 Tonight, a feature interview with one of the Rebel's most dangerous alumni, Gavin McInnes.

00:01:11.500 It's April 15th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:13.700 Rebel News is just over seven years old, but we've taken many forms over the course of time.

00:01:40.500 In 2016, when we were pretty much a baby, we were really the only Canadian media organization,

00:01:47.180 other than Conrad Black, to embrace Trump and Trumpism. And boy, we got that one right.

00:01:52.580 It was the golden age of the internet where social media wasn't yet a place of woke cancel culture.

00:01:59.140 Of course, then Silicon Valley realized the role it had played in the election of Trump and cracked down the great demonetization

00:02:06.280 and the beginning of fake fact checks, by which I mean, of course, legacy media companies denormalizing and demonizing conservative points of view, calling that a fact check.

00:02:17.440 One of our most successful on-air talents during this period was Gavin McInnes, someone I met when I worked at Sun News Network.

00:02:27.760 He was absolutely hilarious. A very rare thing, a funny conservative.

00:02:33.440 I'm not saying conservatives are not funny. I'm just saying most conservatives don't go into the comedy side or anything artistic whatsoever.

00:02:40.340 Comedy and Hollywood in general are very much left-wing.

00:02:42.460 Gavin McInnes was a master of the pop culture. He helped found Vice, now a multimedia empire.

00:02:49.960 He was very well-known for his fashion do's and don'ts, just absolutely hilarious.

00:02:55.160 And so when Rebel News started, he was a fit for our irreverent style.

00:02:59.100 And he really helped us build up the company because unlike an eat-your-spinach conservative lecture,

00:03:05.720 the jokes brought you in and there was a subtle political message at the end of it, sometimes not so subtle.

00:03:13.420 Gavin left Rebel News in late 2017 when he simply got an offer.

00:03:17.880 He couldn't resist and we couldn't match.

00:03:21.000 But then things took an interesting path.

00:03:23.960 We'll talk about that now with Gavin McInnes, who's been apart from Rebel News for almost five years,

00:03:30.140 but has had an interesting career.

00:03:31.700 I had visited Gavin a few years ago when I popped into New York and we had a good heart-to-heart.

00:03:35.460 I called him up and I said, let's do another sit-down and catch up with each other.

00:03:40.780 And Gavin joins me now via Skype from New York.

00:03:42.920 Gavin, great to see you again.

00:03:44.720 Great to see you again, sir.

00:03:47.460 It's nice of you to say.

00:03:48.220 Do you think I summed up that golden age of social media before the censors cracked down?

00:03:54.000 I mean, there was no worry about being given a strike for a political opinion.

00:03:59.900 Back then, you just had to make sure you weren't stealing someone's copyrighted material and you were fine.

00:04:05.800 Well, I mean, political correctness started in the 90s.

00:04:09.600 I held it back from 2000 to 2005.

00:04:14.400 I kept the wolves at bay.

00:04:15.980 They overpowered us.

00:04:17.720 Then they ran rampant for 10 years.

00:04:20.580 But Trump then put them back in their place.

00:04:24.580 And we had a brief epoch, as you say, around 2015, where, remember, alt-right didn't mean anti-Semitic or racist.

00:04:33.640 It meant fun.

00:04:35.760 And then things got more radical.

00:04:38.520 Alt-right was hijacked by the Nazis. 0.68

00:04:42.800 And the liberal party, the left, was hijacked by Antifa.

00:04:48.100 And the whole country became far more radical.

00:04:51.180 And unfortunately, the radical leftists were the ones left in charge of social media, the justice system, the government, everything.

00:05:00.520 And it was weird being under Trump in 2017 when you're like, as Jim Goat said to me, he goes, can you believe we won?

00:05:09.380 It sure doesn't feel like it.

00:05:10.980 And that's when things got draconian.

00:05:13.580 I think you're right.

00:05:14.900 I think that no one actually thought Trump would win.

00:05:17.880 They were outraged by it.

00:05:19.600 And Trump did amazing things in office.

00:05:21.760 But he didn't control the entire deep state.

00:05:25.020 And, I mean, we learned that it was, in the end, it was the public health deep state that got rid of him.

00:05:30.300 But there was the national security deep state.

00:05:32.940 There was the FBI deep state.

00:05:36.060 There were so many entrenched things that Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex spread throughout America.

00:05:42.260 Trump was an anomaly.

00:05:43.560 And they made sure that that would never happen again.

00:05:46.600 A lot of freedoms were stomped out.

00:05:48.220 Am I being too dramatic?

00:05:50.140 I mean, Trump was a flawed man.

00:05:51.180 But he did, like you say, hold things at bay.

00:05:55.100 Well, you've got to understand the American government is a gang.

00:05:59.360 And if you disrespect a gang like MS-13 or even the mafia, they have to punish you.

00:06:06.340 So never again is an eccentric millionaire going to become president.

00:06:10.820 No outsider is ever going to be president again unless we get Trump.

00:06:14.740 That doesn't really count.

00:06:16.440 And secondly, they have been insulted.

00:06:20.100 They were insulted by the existence of Trump.

00:06:22.740 They were insulted by our hubris.

00:06:24.440 Remember, right after he was elected, there was Pepe the Frog.

00:06:27.080 And we would go to that he will not divide us thing and make fun of Shia LaBeouf.

00:06:30.940 And I had a vigil in Times Square for my friends who had died of winning AIDS.

00:06:38.360 They got so sick of winning, they got AIDS.

00:06:41.680 And so we had Tucker Carlson and all these signs bragging about our victory.

00:06:46.980 And so we had insulted the gang.

00:06:49.640 The gang then retaliates so they can maintain their reputation in the community.

00:06:54.220 And this is what we're seeing with January 6th.

00:06:56.140 By going there and sitting at Nancy Pelosi's desk, you sat in El Chapo's chair in his man cave.

00:07:03.200 You have to be punished for that.

00:07:04.900 That guy was just offered a plea of seven years.

00:07:08.780 All he did was sit in a chair.

00:07:10.380 But you've insulted the gang.

00:07:12.520 And that's what we did.

00:07:13.720 We got too brave. 1.00

00:07:16.560 And now we have to be punished by this corrupt, violent, bureaucratic gang of disgusting, lazy thieves. 1.00

00:07:26.620 We're talking about Trump, which I didn't really mean to do. 0.99

00:07:29.620 But it was part of that free speech moment where speech and humor and, you know what, I first heard the word alt-right.

00:07:38.800 I didn't know what it meant.

00:07:40.320 Other than I thought it was the fun, fresh, young rebellion against the establishment GOP.

00:07:47.480 When I think of the word alt-right when I first heard it, I would have thought of Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:07:51.320 The British, Greek, gay, Jewish, shock performance art political pundit who sort of-

00:08:01.260 Jack Posobiec, Vaughn Southern. 0.90

00:08:02.840 A little bit Liberace, a little bit Ann Coulter.

00:08:05.300 And I thought it's that fun.

00:08:07.060 It's that, it was the cultural creativity.

00:08:11.020 And just like the national security deep state and the public health deep state destroyed parts of that moment, the cultural deep state destroyed some of the things you're talking about.

00:08:22.620 They turned the word alt-right into a racist thing.

00:08:25.720 Maybe it had racist roots.

00:08:27.720 But for a while there, it was just, you know, unconventional conservatism.

00:08:31.780 They rebranded it as racist.

00:08:34.080 They branded the symbols of the writing, including the little OK symbol, as racist.

00:08:38.360 They really Nazi-fied everything. 0.94

00:08:41.820 I lost track if Trump was a Nazi or a communist Putin tool that seemed to flip back and forth.

00:08:50.940 And anything fun and cultural that was of the right had to be destroyed.

00:08:54.720 I see you're wearing underneath your vest there a Proud Boys shirt.

00:09:00.480 Now, I remember when you were talking about Proud Boys here at Rebel News.

00:09:03.600 I remember when I said to you, I see you've got to, you know, turn that into a franchise and own it and control it.

00:09:08.360 Don't mind me.

00:09:09.720 And it was just a movement.

00:09:13.220 It was men saying, I want to hang out in a non-woke place.

00:09:17.500 I want to hang out with other guys' guys, talk sports, drink beer, and not always be on guard for a word crime.

00:09:25.360 And, you know, I traveled with you to different places, including Israel, where there was a huge Proud Boys meetup, 200 people.

00:09:33.000 So it's obviously not an anti-Semitic thing if you've got hundreds of Jews meeting you in Israel for it.

00:09:37.520 It felt like a goofy fraternity for guys who were no longer in college.

00:09:43.260 That's how I would describe Proud Boys.

00:09:44.920 But it's literally being designated a terrorist group in Canada now.

00:09:51.300 Yeah, and I hate when people say it started out as a joke and then Gavin lost control and it got out of hand and now it's violent and racist.

00:09:59.960 No, that's what the narrative became.

00:10:02.780 That's the media's interpretation.

00:10:04.440 It has nothing to do with the truth.

00:10:06.120 It's still 99% fun.

00:10:08.080 Enrique Tarrio, I believe he pulled off, he went to too many rallies.

00:10:14.080 He over-ralified it.

00:10:15.680 But those guys, I still know them.

00:10:17.500 I talked to them.

00:10:18.100 I just talked to Ethan Nordean the other day in prison.

00:10:20.880 They're still the same fun guys.

00:10:23.860 The only reason that there was more violence is because Antifa brought it on.

00:10:29.100 The Proud Boys were a reaction to violence.

00:10:31.120 And I can prove that by pointing out that we never went to their things.

00:10:36.340 They always came to our things.

00:10:38.580 You know, Dr. Shiva has a free speech rally in Boston.

00:10:41.900 100,000 people show up to tell him that he's a hate monger.

00:10:46.900 Mark, what's his name, who did the Antifa handbook?

00:10:50.680 He did a whole speaking tour across the country.

00:10:53.020 Proud Boys didn't go to any of that stuff.

00:10:54.500 They don't do that.

00:10:55.540 But every time there's a remotely patriotic event, the radical left has to come and start fights.

00:11:00.900 And Proud Boys were the first ones to say, yeah, if you want to fight, I'll fight you.

00:11:06.160 Let's do it.

00:11:06.740 You know, this is and that's remember the Covenant Catholic school kid.

00:11:11.200 He got in trouble for standing his ground.

00:11:13.920 I think it was USA Today that said, don't you think that's kind of aggressive standing your ground?

00:11:19.660 So we were seen as aggressive just for volunteering as bodyguards and standing up to Antifa.

00:11:26.340 See, what that did, though, is it gave the left what they had been missing, which is everyone knows that the left is violent, has been violent.

00:11:34.120 It's part of the communist way.

00:11:35.420 It's what you do when you're not a liberal Democrat.

00:11:38.460 It goes back centuries.

00:11:40.200 It goes back to the Bolshevik Revolution.

00:11:44.240 It's rules for radicals.

00:11:45.880 So Antifa and Black Lives Matter had a rampage of riots and arson across America. 0.82

00:11:52.400 And everyone knew it was being done by the left.

00:11:56.020 But because Proud Boys were, quote, bodyguards, as you said, or had some, you know, physical, you know, swearing in ceremonies when you were froshed or whatever that's called.

00:12:09.220 And the left said, aha, we have the counterweight to show that violence is a right wing thing.

00:12:15.740 Now we're going to build up Proud Boys as the mirror image of Antifa.

00:12:20.560 Antifa has killed people, torched cities, billions of dollars of damage.

00:12:26.520 They're organized, they're financed, they're funded, they're controlled. 0.99

00:12:29.540 Black block. 0.84

00:12:30.780 You know, America was a fire in the year 2020.

00:12:33.260 Uh-huh, we had a few scruffy fraternity boys who had a bit much to drink and got into fisticuffs.

00:12:39.880 We found our counterweight.

00:12:41.360 We're going to pump it up with the FBI and prosecute them and show that, no, no, no, the domestic violent extremism is on the right.

00:12:49.100 I think that they saw the Proud Boys and said, not only do we want to take the steam out of this cultural thing, this pro-Western, pro-conservative fraternity,

00:12:59.480 we want to turn it into a Nazi, a modern Nazi movement, because we need one of those. 0.99

00:13:05.320 We don't have one to point to.

00:13:07.060 We'll turn this into a Nazi movement. 0.96

00:13:09.260 Yeah, I've heard this discussion from Tucker Carlson, Stephen Crowder, Ben Shapiro, and even the New York Times.

00:13:16.320 Alan Freuer was a journalist who's kind of one of these Proud Boys stalkers.

00:13:20.660 And he said, you know what you should do?

00:13:23.680 You should be like Martin Luther King and you should go to an Antifa rally and just stand there and let them beat you.

00:13:29.880 And then you can show that you're not violent.

00:13:32.220 They're violent.

00:13:33.360 And I said, F you, Alan. 0.99

00:13:35.800 These people murder. 0.97

00:13:37.520 They bring knives. 1.00

00:13:39.140 They will kill me. 0.95

00:13:40.700 And this idea, this Martin Luther King idea where you just sit there and take it is not what I'm about. 0.74

00:13:47.340 It's maybe it's because I'm a hoser and Canadian by roots.

00:13:50.280 Maybe it's hockey, but there's no way I'm sitting there and let people abuse me to make some sort of a messiah like point.

00:13:59.880 Hell no.

00:14:00.600 And look at like what you're saying is totally accurate.

00:14:03.240 Why did it talk at the Metropolitan Club here in New York City?

00:14:06.580 They Antifa showed up.

00:14:08.280 They were attacking everyone.

00:14:09.880 Old Ladies. 0.98

00:14:10.580 They beat a journalist.

00:14:12.280 Stole his equipment.

00:14:13.520 Zero charges, by the way.

00:14:15.420 Hurling bottles of urine, glass bottles of urine at Old Ladies and everyone to come in. 0.90

00:14:19.480 They vandalized the venue.

00:14:21.920 The police made everyone disperse.

00:14:24.360 Antifa went around the block.

00:14:25.960 They flanked the Proud Boys.

00:14:27.340 Proud Boys were on their way home.

00:14:29.260 They began hurling urine at the Proud Boys.

00:14:32.300 And the Proud Boys, that was a want to fight.

00:14:35.680 And the Proud Boys said, yes, we do.

00:14:37.660 And they beat them up.

00:14:39.040 They didn't start that fight.

00:14:40.700 They finished it.

00:14:42.040 And the DNC went, yes, we've got it. 0.87

00:14:45.340 Let's throw these guys in prison.

00:14:47.620 They're still in prison now.

00:14:48.580 They got one year left.

00:14:49.360 This was four years ago.

00:14:51.440 Their sentence was four years.

00:14:53.820 And I get people on the right saying, those guys just sort of taken it. 0.99

00:14:58.860 Let the bottle of piss hit you in the face. 0.98

00:15:01.100 Take a beating and those guys wouldn't be in jail. 1.00

00:15:03.520 No, we're not going to sit there and get abused. 0.96

00:15:06.160 Max and John did nothing wrong.

00:15:07.860 They fought a fight for 17 seconds.

00:15:11.260 And it's true. 0.56

00:15:12.240 The DNC did use that as propaganda.

00:15:15.300 In fact, the judge, Mark Dwyer, said this fight, political fighting,

00:15:18.740 reminds him of 1930s Europe.

00:15:21.020 So he called me Hitler in the actual sentencing.

00:15:24.260 But what's the solution?

00:15:26.020 To just keep taking it?

00:15:27.840 No, I'm not Martin Luther King.

00:15:29.800 I'm Malcolm X.

00:15:31.060 And if someone attacks you, fight back.

00:15:33.480 Don't attack innocent people, ever.

00:15:35.640 But if someone else attacks you, stand up for yourself.

00:15:38.580 That used to be normal, a normal philosophy.

00:15:41.780 You know, one of the things about you, and I've known you for a while,

00:15:47.720 is you say exactly what's on your mind.

00:15:49.300 You don't put a filter on it.

00:15:50.780 You're an equal opportunity troublemaker.

00:15:54.360 I mean, I've seen it in public and I've seen it in private.

00:15:56.920 And it's wickedly funny in both.

00:15:59.220 But you have to have a certain stomach to put up with it.

00:16:02.620 To be able to, you know, it's nerve-wracking.

00:16:05.100 And I think I get it.

00:16:09.400 I mean, I've found your comedy hilarious for a decade.

00:16:13.580 Not everyone does because, you know, it's either too blunt.

00:16:17.600 Or, you know, we know what they said about Trump.

00:16:19.480 They said, don't take him literally.

00:16:21.000 Take him seriously.

00:16:22.420 And I think that's the key for understanding Trump.

00:16:24.820 And you say things that I know you mean seriously,

00:16:27.840 but I don't know if you're always meaning them literally.

00:16:30.940 And sometimes you're telling a story by analogy.

00:16:33.020 And I think the trouble with being as blunt as you are

00:16:36.920 is it's wickedly hilarious.

00:16:39.280 It's refreshingly uncensored.

00:16:41.200 It's an antidote to the woke self-censorship.

00:16:43.920 But a bad faith actor on the other side 0.95

00:16:47.240 can cobble together what you're saying and say,

00:16:49.760 see, he's for violence. 0.99

00:16:52.760 See, he's racist. 0.95

00:16:54.400 See, like the way you speak is so unguarded 0.81

00:16:57.360 that when you talk about controversial things,

00:17:01.940 it can be cobbled together and interpreted as,

00:17:05.580 no, this guy means to be violent.

00:17:07.580 I'm not saying that's right.

00:17:08.720 In fact, I think it's because of your comedic style.

00:17:13.860 But that's how they tagged you.

00:17:16.060 I mean, I don't know. 1.00

00:17:16.780 I don't know if it's just stupid Justin Trudeau 1.00

00:17:20.480 making a press statement 1.00

00:17:22.580 by putting Proud Boys on the terrorist list.

00:17:25.400 What do you think?

00:17:26.020 Well, this is like an interview I did with NBC

00:17:29.020 where she said, you know, I explained this.

00:17:32.460 This was made up by 4chan as a random thing to scare liberals.

00:17:36.620 They're going to say this means racism.

00:17:38.480 They tried it with chugging milk.

00:17:40.740 It was too hard to find milk.

00:17:42.160 Everyone has a hand on them at all times.

00:17:43.660 So they went with this and it took off.

00:17:45.240 It means liberals are hysterical 0.93

00:17:47.700 and I like making fun of them. 0.99

00:17:49.380 Nazis use it, but Nazis hate liberals too. 1.00

00:17:52.940 Nazis use toilet paper. 1.00

00:17:54.500 All cats are mammals. 0.58

00:17:55.680 All dogs are mammals.

00:17:56.740 All cats are not dogs.

00:17:57.820 This is guilt by association, right?

00:17:59.700 So this woman was asking me,

00:18:01.880 this journalist was saying,

00:18:03.000 you know, you say these things,

00:18:04.360 you know they could be taken out of context.

00:18:06.320 So don't say that.

00:18:08.120 No, that's a gray Stalinist universe with no color.

00:18:13.220 I'm going to continue to speak totally colorful,

00:18:16.400 say rude words.

00:18:17.780 You could go over my thousands of hours of content 1.00

00:18:20.160 and make me look like a raging homosexual 0.99

00:18:21.740 if you wanted to. 0.99

00:18:23.020 Is that reason to never dress up in drag as a joke?

00:18:26.500 No, I'm not going to hide it.

00:18:28.860 And I'm happy to take it on the chin.

00:18:31.180 I've been fired from every job I've ever had,

00:18:33.300 including companies I started myself.

00:18:35.800 We didn't fire you.

00:18:36.920 You quit and went for a better offer.

00:18:39.360 That's true.

00:18:40.060 That's true.

00:18:41.080 Yeah, I guess I wasn't fired.

00:18:42.060 But then I got fired from that job.

00:18:45.500 Listen, I'm not trying to quarrel with you.

00:18:47.500 I'm trying to understand it because,

00:18:50.080 I mean, I'm not, I mean, I tell the odd joke,

00:18:53.400 but I'm not as funny as you.

00:18:54.540 I'm not as naturally funny or as artistic.

00:18:57.160 I'm not as visually creative.

00:18:58.180 You're pretty funny.

00:18:59.140 Thanks.

00:19:01.060 But here's the thing.

00:19:02.060 They try and denormalize us here at Rebel News,

00:19:04.780 and they've been somewhat successful,

00:19:06.340 but we fight back tooth and nail.

00:19:08.540 We don't accept it.

00:19:09.600 Like, I would just give you an example.

00:19:10.640 You probably don't know about this,

00:19:12.240 but in Canada, the government has set up something called

00:19:14.720 the Qualified Canadian Journalism Organization, QCJO.

00:19:18.340 It's like a journalism license,

00:19:19.980 and we were rejected by it.

00:19:21.820 Oh, yeah.

00:19:22.540 And instead of embracing that and saying,

00:19:24.840 we're the ultimate outsiders,

00:19:26.080 we didn't want your stinking license, 0.93

00:19:28.860 we're suing. 0.77

00:19:30.020 We're taking them to the federal court

00:19:31.480 because we're resisting the denormalization,

00:19:34.120 the marginalization, the unpersoning.

00:19:35.640 We're reimpersoning.

00:19:36.400 We're resisting it.

00:19:37.520 And we spend a lot of time fighting

00:19:39.600 to be allowed to be,

00:19:42.860 I'm not going to say in polite company,

00:19:44.780 but I don't want to be pushed out.

00:19:48.240 Whereas you have set up a company

00:19:50.360 called Censored.TV,

00:19:54.600 and you've embraced the pariah status.

00:19:57.980 Maybe you did so unwillingly at first,

00:20:01.520 but it seems like that you've said,

00:20:03.000 all right, I'm going to be this guy.

00:20:04.780 And you've sort of collected

00:20:05.620 all the other banned people.

00:20:07.660 You've collected Milo Yiannopoulos

00:20:09.140 and Katie Hopkins and Laura Loomer

00:20:11.400 and all the deplorables.

00:20:14.100 And I find each of them interesting,

00:20:15.660 and some of them, in fact,

00:20:16.420 have done some work with Rebel News over the years.

00:20:18.840 But my question for you,

00:20:21.300 and this is just a personal question,

00:20:22.520 this is a friend-to-friend question,

00:20:24.020 why didn't you embrace that?

00:20:26.840 I mean, you were once at the heart,

00:20:29.160 like you invented the whole idea of hipsters,

00:20:31.680 which you invented that.

00:20:33.980 And I think you're Proud Boys.

00:20:35.940 That was Dr. Jordan Peterson

00:20:39.200 a year before Dr. Jordan Peterson.

00:20:41.940 That was Be a Man, Rules for Life. 0.95

00:20:45.620 Like you made a movie, How to Be a Man,

00:20:48.060 which could have been called 12 Rules for Life,

00:20:51.300 but without the PhD.

00:20:53.040 Dean, like you have these massive culture-changing ideas.

00:20:58.180 I like to say that you've had three,

00:21:00.040 most people don't have a single billion-dollar idea

00:21:03.420 in their life.

00:21:04.040 You've had three that I know.

00:21:06.380 Yeah, but...

00:21:07.200 You upgraded Vice, you came up with hipsters, 0.78

00:21:10.160 and I think the idea of a masculine fraternity

00:21:12.660 for pro-Western Jordan Peterson guys,

00:21:16.020 that's a billion-dollar idea,

00:21:17.540 but you let them push you out of the mainstream.

00:21:20.100 No, I didn't let them push me out of the mainstream.

00:21:21.960 I was forced out of the mainstream.

00:21:24.140 I still sue people,

00:21:26.380 but to constantly, like,

00:21:28.720 should I have sued CRT or The Blaze for firing me?

00:21:31.740 Should I have sued Twitter and Facebook?

00:21:33.680 You're a lawyer.

00:21:34.520 You have a much higher tolerance for litigation.

00:21:37.120 I find it tedious and so alarmingly expensive.

00:21:41.240 I'm not a good fundraiser like you.

00:21:43.800 So I didn't have a choice.

00:21:45.960 I'm still fighting, believe it or not.

00:21:48.380 Like, don't portray me as someone who gave up.

00:21:51.500 I'm still fighting,

00:21:52.620 but the man in the iron mask I've been bequeathed

00:21:55.800 means that I'm censored.tv.

00:21:58.260 I mean, they took freespeech.tv from me.

00:22:00.700 I've been through, like, 15 different payment guys

00:22:03.680 who kicked off a U.S. bank,

00:22:05.800 everything from, you know, MailChimp to Pinterest.

00:22:08.720 I tried mainstream with The Blaze.

00:22:13.560 I didn't swear on that show

00:22:14.780 and got fired anyway.

00:22:16.680 So I'm at the point now where it's like

00:22:20.000 you just got to be yourself.

00:22:22.280 And if that's offensive to people,

00:22:23.980 well, I'm making more money this year

00:22:25.760 than I've ever made before in my life.

00:22:27.500 So something's working.

00:22:29.620 You know, when I was a kid,

00:22:30.720 I was in the special class 1.00

00:22:32.320 for mentally handicapped kids and stupid people, 1.00

00:22:36.460 but my grades were fine. 1.00

00:22:37.960 I was just a class clown.

00:22:39.520 So the teachers wanted me out of their classroom.

00:22:41.140 They didn't want to deal with me.

00:22:42.460 And my dad, you know, being Scottish and poor, 1.00

00:22:45.120 he was obsessed with education.

00:22:46.300 He was like,

00:22:46.940 if you get another detention, 0.99

00:22:48.940 I'm going to murder. 0.95

00:22:50.440 And I remember literally sitting on my hands.

00:22:52.840 I don't know why that would help.

00:22:54.240 Trying to shut my mouth during class

00:22:56.300 and not make a little,

00:22:57.520 yeah, you shower and I'll shower.

00:23:00.800 And I just, I lasted like three hours.

00:23:03.180 And then I was back to the special class

00:23:05.360 and wasn't allowed to have different teachers

00:23:07.800 that way at D'Aubrey Moody with Peter Gunn.

00:23:10.620 So, I mean, I'm saying a lot to answer your question,

00:23:13.040 but one is, this is how I fight.

00:23:16.400 And two is, I can't be mainstream.

00:23:19.700 Like people always say, you know,

00:23:21.060 if you had been more cordial at Vice,

00:23:22.980 you'd still be there.

00:23:23.720 You'd be worth a hundred million.

00:23:25.080 If I could have bought another week at Vice,

00:23:28.120 I would have been ousted or pushed out then.

00:23:32.800 It was, I was incompatible.

00:23:34.420 Same with the ad agency.

00:23:36.200 You know, it wasn't, I did get kicked out

00:23:38.320 or it did get shut down 1.00

00:23:39.280 because I said trans are just mentally ill gays. 1.00

00:23:42.040 But there would have been another controversy 1.00

00:23:43.720 a month later.

00:23:45.440 Same with Anthony Cumia.

00:23:46.840 You know, he keep, they say,

00:23:48.280 oh, if he hadn't had that fight in Times Square,

00:23:50.180 he'd still be on Opie and Anthony.

00:23:51.760 No, no.

00:23:52.920 He would have been fired again a month later.

00:23:55.480 Well, that's the thing.

00:23:56.040 I mean, it would be something because you go in,

00:23:59.280 like Gilbert Gottfried died just the other day.

00:24:02.260 And a guy like him who tells jokes

00:24:06.020 deliberately to be offensive.

00:24:08.040 I mean, his joke, the aristocrat, the aristocrats.

00:24:11.940 The whole point of that joke,

00:24:13.300 for those who haven't seen it,

00:24:14.520 is everyone, I mean, I don't want to ruin the joke

00:24:18.940 for people who haven't heard it,

00:24:19.780 but you can watch it on YouTube.

00:24:21.240 The whole point is how dirty can you be?

00:24:24.080 How offensive can you be?

00:24:25.380 That's, whoever wins that prize wins the joke contest.

00:24:30.820 That can't happen now.

00:24:33.080 Like that just, like every comedian I know of says

00:24:36.460 they don't like doing campus tours anymore

00:24:38.880 because what's the point?

00:24:41.480 There's so many rules to be boycotted.

00:24:44.180 You know, it's feminist, it's woke ideology. 1.00

00:24:46.880 All the things that are naturally jokey are banned.

00:24:50.080 And that's why the Proud Boys as a safe place

00:24:53.400 for regular guys just to have a beer and laugh at jokes

00:24:56.540 without having someone nag them was such a winner.

00:25:00.380 Yeah, but a lot is happening right now.

00:25:03.200 I think that, first of all,

00:25:06.060 you have networks like Sensor.TV, Compound Media,

00:25:08.860 all of these pirate ships, Adam Carolla calls them,

00:25:11.920 where you design your own tank

00:25:14.000 and people pay to see your content

00:25:16.400 and you thrive that way outside of the mainstream.

00:25:19.980 But there's also big cultural changes.

00:25:22.520 Like, I argue that the Bouncy Castles 0.66

00:25:24.980 and the Dancing Grannies shifted the American ethos 0.67

00:25:28.820 or the North American, the Western ethos,

00:25:31.940 where people went, wait a minute, wait a minute,

00:25:33.780 wait a minute, what's going on now?

00:25:35.580 And the jury...

00:25:36.560 Were you talking about the truckers?

00:25:38.200 The truckers in Ottawa drastically changed

00:25:41.200 the course of Western history

00:25:43.460 because we were told they're Nazis,

00:25:46.140 we're told they're evil,

00:25:47.100 and people have been falling for that.

00:25:48.580 They fell for that with the Proud Boys.

00:25:50.040 They fell for that with January 6th.

00:25:51.740 Then they tuned in and they saw Bouncy Castles.

00:25:54.300 Right.

00:25:54.580 And they went, wait a minute,

00:25:56.400 those don't look like Nazis to me.

00:25:57.820 Those look like working class people who have had enough. 1.00

00:26:00.480 Then they start going backwards.

00:26:02.440 It becomes a self-audit where you go, wait a minute,

00:26:05.580 well, then what was January 6th?

00:26:07.280 Well, wait, what was the Proud Boys?

00:26:09.420 And at the same time, 0.93

00:26:10.860 we're told that black people are victims

00:26:12.620 and they're constantly under siege from the police. 0.99

00:26:15.380 And some black dude kills a bunch of Dancing Grannies. 1.00

00:26:18.600 You couldn't get more innocent than Dancing Grannies. 1.00

00:26:21.080 Now we've got the subway shooting by another black racist. 0.99

00:26:24.260 This is not a random unhinged person. 1.00

00:26:26.300 These people are hinged racist terrorists. 0.99

00:26:29.560 And I think America's saying, 1.00

00:26:32.180 all right, you've been lying to me.

00:26:35.040 I'm not doing this anymore.

00:26:35.920 So we've got these independent websites and networks flanking TV.

00:26:41.740 You know, I get way more viewers than CNN Plus.

00:26:45.400 We cost twice as much and we have twice the membership that CNN Plus has.

00:26:51.040 Then you have all of these lies have finally reached a tipping point 1.00

00:26:55.740 where the Western world is saying, you're full of crap. 1.00

00:26:58.900 I don't believe you anymore. 0.99

00:26:59.900 You know, we have hundreds, literally hundreds of Gavin McInnes videos on our YouTube channel.

00:27:06.800 By the way, we took one of them down.

00:27:09.900 We wanted to re-upload it and YouTube would not let us do that.

00:27:13.340 In fact, they've gone back historically and made some of them inaccessible or harder to access.

00:27:21.900 There might even be one or two that they've deleted.

00:27:24.460 So I don't know if that is a YouTube corporate decision or if it's an FBI decision.

00:27:31.220 And a lot of these are just your comedy sketches.

00:27:34.600 I think it's really creepy when something that was fine for five years is suddenly then deleted as if it never happened.

00:27:43.340 That feels very Stalinist to me, like when they would Photoshop people out of a photograph of officials.

00:27:49.520 Yeah.

00:27:49.980 Buy books.

00:27:52.080 Yeah.

00:27:52.480 Buy.

00:27:52.940 Not digital books.

00:27:53.760 Digital books.

00:27:54.300 They can delete the book on your.

00:27:56.760 Physical paper books.

00:27:58.480 I have a book called When Harry Became Sally, and it's sort of a Christian perspective on all this gender madness. 1.00

00:28:05.180 It is unavailable.

00:28:06.700 It's easier to find Mein Kampf than it is to find When Harry Became Sally.

00:28:11.240 If you look at Amazon, you'll see a bunch of books refuting it, but it has been deleted from the world.

00:28:18.100 And yeah, they do that to me.

00:28:19.500 They rewrite history.

00:28:20.720 There's a Montreal comic museum that saves comics.

00:28:25.680 I used to be a cartoonist. 0.99

00:28:26.720 And they're getting rid of all my old comic books because 20 years later, I became what they describe as a human rat shit. 0.98

00:28:36.500 You know, you did a series of videos for Vans, the shoe company. 0.97

00:28:43.860 That I swear, when I say you were Jordan Peterson before he was, you really were.

00:28:49.360 It was advice to men on how to be men.

00:28:52.680 Advice to men who maybe didn't have a dad.

00:28:55.480 Advice to men who maybe didn't have an older brother.

00:28:58.100 And that's what I regarded Proud Boys as.

00:29:01.400 You saw that if you're a woman, there are tremendous amount of things dedicated to your success in life, in school, in careers, in affirmative action.

00:29:13.100 Bank loans, set-asides, political parties like to have quotas or tokens.

00:29:18.680 But if you're just a guy, you're demonized, you're called toxic, and yet you're relied on for the heavy things when times are tough.

00:29:28.300 9-11 was a day of the man.

00:29:31.120 You know, the firemen and the police, the first responders rushing in.

00:29:34.900 You saw that.

00:29:36.820 You saw that before others did.

00:29:39.140 And I don't know, I think that was a cultural canceling.

00:29:45.740 They're trying to cancel men. 0.82

00:29:47.780 I think the transgender movement, in a way, is canceling women who are at least feminine. 0.74

00:29:53.480 I don't know, I think we're in strange times.

00:29:54.800 You sound optimistic about it.

00:29:56.380 Back to the Vans thing.

00:29:58.100 Those were wonderful works of art.

00:30:00.920 I think you told me how much they paid you once for that.

00:30:03.360 They just deleted it all, didn't they?

00:30:04.580 They just would delete those rather than have any association with you, even after the fact.

00:30:10.600 They were $20,000, and they cost $15,000 to make.

00:30:13.560 So it was $5,000 net.

00:30:15.080 But they were labors of love.

00:30:16.560 I'm trying to get them from my old business partners at the ad agency.

00:30:19.920 But yeah, totally deleted.

00:30:21.460 You know what's funny about those?

00:30:22.840 I was talking to one of the guys at Vans recently.

00:30:25.720 And if someone responds to me, it means they're red-pilled, right?

00:30:28.480 They'll just delete my message otherwise.

00:30:30.460 And I said, you still working there?

00:30:32.680 I'd love to get those sketches back.

00:30:34.120 And he goes, oh, no, I work at whatever he works at now.

00:30:36.740 And I said, so you sound kind of red-pilled.

00:30:39.880 And he goes, yeah, it's because of you guys.

00:30:42.180 And I said, I never talked politics with you.

00:30:44.800 And he goes, no.

00:30:45.820 When your film crew came down to California and shot those sketches,

00:30:50.900 I had never worked with a film crew that was like black, gay, Jewish, female.

00:30:55.820 It was like a United Nations crew. 0.99

00:30:59.480 And then I was told we had to delete them because you're a Nazi.

00:31:02.460 And I thought every single person who's saying that is white, every film crew and client we've 0.88

00:31:07.240 ever had is 100% white out here in California.

00:31:09.960 And the one multiracial crew that shows up, I'm told, is run by a Nazi.

00:31:15.300 And that's when I started to look into stuff.

00:31:17.400 And that's when I became red-pilled.

00:31:18.920 And I couldn't work there anymore.

00:31:20.720 But, yeah, the real crime here is being charming and liking Trump.

00:31:27.600 That's unacceptable.

00:31:29.720 Well, it's hard to be funny.

00:31:32.480 I mean, it's easy to be mad.

00:31:35.180 You can be sad.

00:31:36.520 You can be happy.

00:31:37.260 But being funny, you can't fake it.

00:31:39.580 You can't force it.

00:31:40.760 You have it or you don't.

00:31:42.100 It requires a certain mindset.

00:31:46.480 I think it's tough to be funny.

00:31:48.420 And for whatever reason, I don't think – I don't know why conservatives are not in the

00:31:52.480 comedy business.

00:31:53.460 They're just – you can count conservative comedians on one hand's fingers.

00:31:56.880 Would you agree with me on that?

00:31:58.300 Oh, definitely.

00:31:58.860 But Daily Wire is making some good headway with this Adam Carolla special that's got

00:32:03.800 Rob Riggle and that dude who was canceled that was in the Emoji movie.

00:32:08.860 What the hell is his name, Ryan?

00:32:10.100 I forget his name.

00:32:11.100 And T.J. Miller is in it.

00:32:15.980 That's who I was thinking of.

00:32:17.640 And pretty high-quality comedians that are appearing with Adam Carolla that Daily Wire is pushing.

00:32:24.120 So it's making a turn because the beauty of this canceled thing is they overdid it.

00:32:29.940 And I don't think you'll find one person in America who doesn't have a close relative

00:32:35.400 or a friend who was canceled.

00:32:37.640 And, of course, 100% of the time, or maybe 99.9, they're totally innocent.

00:32:43.220 So back in the – when this all started, they just go, well, you shouldn't have messed

00:32:47.420 with that. 0.99

00:32:47.860 I don't know what you did, but you pissed off the wrong people, so screw you. 0.98

00:32:51.660 And then now they're calling me back going, hey, man, the same thing happened to me. 0.99

00:32:56.180 What are you doing?

00:32:57.220 And I'm like, well, well, well.

00:32:59.260 Look who's coming home to roost.

00:33:02.060 Look who wants some of the bread after I sat here alone baking it.

00:33:06.480 But I give them some.

00:33:07.940 Fine.

00:33:09.040 You know, comedy is probably the most political of the arts.

00:33:15.040 Music is probably a close second.

00:33:17.400 Again, I mean, there are some genres like country music I think that are naturally a little bit

00:33:22.100 more conservative.

00:33:23.560 But again, just very liberal, very left-wing.

00:33:27.920 And they'll turn you left-wing, especially on sexual things.

00:33:32.020 They'll make you gender-fluid or – I mean, you look at the transformation of, you know, 0.99

00:33:39.320 whether it's Miley Cyrus or – you know, they just – there's – it's unidirectional.

00:33:47.540 You only move left.

00:33:49.120 You either stay where you are or you move left.

00:33:50.960 No one moves to the right in Hollywood, in music, sports.

00:33:56.520 There were conservative places in sports.

00:34:00.080 Then the Take a Knee movement went right to the heart of the NFL, perhaps the most masculine,

00:34:06.220 conservative sport.

00:34:08.420 NASCAR, same thing.

00:34:09.700 There was a little garage pole that was turned into a noose.

00:34:14.400 I think they're either trying to transform every single place into a left-wing, woke place,

00:34:21.080 or if it won't transform, they'll just destroy it.

00:34:23.340 And the fact that viewership of sports is down because of wokeness, well, they don't care.

00:34:29.720 Either make it left-wing or destroy it, as long as it's not a conservative place.

00:34:34.460 Yeah, men cannot congregate.

00:34:36.440 And, you know, if you – this is why Proud Boys took off, because there is a need for men

00:34:41.360 to congregate and for men to be proud of themselves, because they should be.

00:34:45.380 You know, a Western man didn't invent slavery.

00:34:47.680 He ended it.

00:34:48.260 The accomplishments of a Western man are alarming.

00:34:50.820 I mean, look around the room and think of who invented all of this stuff and who put

00:34:56.880 it together, and you're looking at a Western man's incredible accomplishments.

00:35:00.880 The machine that built my bar stools is an incredible work of art.

00:35:05.120 So, you know, back when our dads were young men, there was endless clubs.

00:35:11.740 Look at the Flintstones with the water buffaloes and Ed Norton and Ralph Cramden.

00:35:17.520 You know, you met every Thursday, and you had the buffalo horns, and you had the routine,

00:35:22.600 the jackets with the epaulettes and the bizarre rituals that you would do with the Shriners 1.00

00:35:27.940 and the Masons and the Knights of Columbus.

00:35:29.640 And you'd have individual little ones that no one heard of, and they go back to the

00:35:35.260 Industrial Revolution, because men wanted to get a cheap beer after work and be able 0.98

00:35:39.320 to fart without worrying about who heard it. 0.73

00:35:41.960 And then in the 80s, the Gloria Steinem feminists said, this is verboten. 0.93

00:35:46.500 And as Ann Coulter points out, so the only place men could go to without ladies was strip 0.94

00:35:52.560 clubs.

00:35:53.360 Now, there is plenty of women there, but there's no ladies. 1.00

00:35:55.980 And in the name of promoting feminism, they drove men to strip clubs. 1.00

00:36:00.740 So when I came up with this idea for an old school men's club on a lark, it absolutely

00:36:06.600 exploded because we had been forced by woke feminists to hate ourselves and never congregate. 0.66

00:36:14.700 And it's just unnatural. 0.63

00:36:16.280 Like, you might as well be trying to stamp out heterosexual sex, which they are in many 1.00

00:36:20.520 ways. 1.00

00:36:21.100 The people are going to find a way behind a dumpster. 0.98

00:36:23.660 They're going to get up to their sexual shenanigans because it's just normal. 0.97

00:36:28.380 Pride is normal.

00:36:29.700 Shame culture doesn't feel right.

00:36:32.840 And it's strange that the left has put all their eggs in the shame basket because it's

00:36:38.120 a tough sell.

00:36:39.580 And one thing I want to point out, too, about the Proud Boys, and this is like, yes, there's

00:36:43.380 the fight that you hear about and John and Max going to prison and this person wore an offensive

00:36:47.460 shirt and this person had a rude tweet. 1.00

00:36:49.340 I cannot tell you the hundreds upon hundreds of emails I have from young men telling me

00:36:56.100 thank you for saying put a ring on it. 1.00

00:36:59.060 I was an idiot. 0.99

00:36:59.980 I was playing video games all day. 1.00

00:37:01.500 I'd been with my girlfriend for eight years. 0.99

00:37:03.160 I didn't have the balls to propose. 0.98

00:37:04.600 And then they'll send me a picture of their baby. 0.99

00:37:07.140 Then I put a ring on it.

00:37:08.580 Now I got a kid.

00:37:09.620 And I also push this on women. 0.99

00:37:12.460 I say being a housewife, you don't have to be, but there's nothing to be ashamed of.

00:37:15.640 It's a fantastic vocation.

00:37:17.820 And we should one of the Proud Boys tenants is venerate the housewife.

00:37:21.100 So though the media likes to focus on the odd scuffle, the truth behind Proud Boys and

00:37:27.280 why I will never regret it and why I would do it again a hundred times if I had a time

00:37:30.680 machine is because I've saved thousands of lives, created hundreds of lives by saying,

00:37:38.280 let's stop being basically what Vice used to promote, just blind hedonists and say, look,

00:37:44.820 you've had your first drink at 14.

00:37:46.780 You're 24 now.

00:37:48.040 That's 10 years of partying.

00:37:49.780 I think your oats are sown.

00:37:51.820 I think it's time to stop getting wasted every day and grow up, get a job, get an apartment,

00:37:57.680 put a ring on it.

00:37:58.380 And that's happened innumerable times.

00:38:01.180 Thank God.

00:38:02.180 You're a skeptic of computer games.

00:38:04.540 You know, there's some people who are deep into computer games.

00:38:07.160 I know whenever you would do a video for Rebel News, skeptical about them, you'd get a lot

00:38:11.140 of an earful.

00:38:12.160 But, you know, I saw a clip the other day of a World Economic Forum scholar, Yuval Hariri

00:38:21.040 is his name.

00:38:22.020 And he's talking about the end of work and the end of purpose and artificial intelligence

00:38:26.560 taking over everything.

00:38:27.640 And he says, well, what will we have to live for then?

00:38:31.020 And his answer was drugs and video games.

00:38:35.240 And it was quite something.

00:38:37.640 And I think it's because, you know, they.

00:38:40.620 If you have no larger purpose, you can at least keep your mind occupied.

00:38:47.760 It's a kind of, I don't know, it's a kind of valium.

00:38:51.180 It's a kind of distraction machine.

00:38:54.040 What's your beef with video games?

00:38:55.420 It's not real.

00:38:57.100 It's like pornography.

00:38:58.480 Your brain doesn't realize that you're not in Afghanistan saving your buddies.

00:39:03.240 So it releases dopamine because saving your buddy is something worth a reward.

00:39:07.700 And then you get out into the real world and your body goes, what happened to you?

00:39:12.940 You just yesterday, you were shooting bad guys and carrying your friends out of the trenches

00:39:18.400 to safety.

00:39:19.440 And now you're what on your way to Arby's? 1.00

00:39:21.780 You suck. 1.00

00:39:22.780 So you get depressed. 1.00

00:39:24.120 You've created this fake world.

00:39:25.300 Like with porn, you sit there and you have your choice of an infinite tens.

00:39:30.900 So your brain thinks that you're Genghis Khan and you're inseminating the world.

00:39:35.640 So then you get out, you meet a girl.

00:39:37.380 She's not interested in your brain goes, what the hell happened to you? 1.00

00:39:39.860 Yesterday you were you were carpet bombing all of Asia with your penis. 1.00

00:39:43.840 And now you're a nobody. 1.00

00:39:45.600 So you create this false world that that makes the real world so crappy that you don't want

00:39:51.800 to live in it.

00:39:52.560 And now it's right out of the matrix.

00:39:54.420 You're living in a pod like my youngest boy.

00:39:57.340 He's got his VR on and he's sitting there playing these video games.

00:40:02.100 It's like what you he would be happy in prison.

00:40:05.040 I honestly believe if you had kids today and only gave them iPhones, no sports, no trips,

00:40:12.020 no presents at Christmas, besides maybe an extra app or some Robux, they would be perfectly

00:40:17.960 happy and content and never complain.

00:40:20.420 That's a bad thing.

00:40:21.800 Yeah.

00:40:22.440 And what's worse with these video games, they're spending like six hours in a row as a woman. 1.00

00:40:30.540 And I honestly think it's the cause of the trans thing. 1.00

00:40:33.820 Sitting there as a woman for six hours, these fat, ugly nerds start to go, maybe I am a woman. 1.00

00:40:39.560 I mean, I was Donna from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. today. 0.99

00:40:43.840 I guess I'm a chick.

00:40:46.180 Well, that's another thing about video games.

00:40:48.060 It's just the amount of time it burns up.

00:40:49.920 Yeah, they always say it's just like movies.

00:40:52.640 It has a story.

00:40:53.980 No, a movie is a brief story.

00:40:55.700 It's one and a half to three hours.

00:40:57.540 And you watch a movie like once every few days.

00:41:00.540 These guys are playing every day for six, 10, 12 hours.

00:41:04.760 You know, there's a lot of scary movies that are coming true.

00:41:11.300 I think of the movie Ex Machina a few years back.

00:41:15.920 You know, you've been using the phrase red pill that comes from the movie The Matrix.

00:41:20.220 There's even that movie WALL-E, which is, you know, a movie where everyone is just in mobility scooters drinking soft drinks.

00:41:33.700 And I think the games, the video games, the virtual reality, the pornography, the online dating, these things are all merging together.

00:41:47.000 Zuckerberg's proposal for the metaverse, where your whole world is in some designed universe.

00:41:53.060 You're not in the real life anymore.

00:41:54.960 You combine video games, choose your own identity, pornography and online dating.

00:42:04.120 And who would ever leave that virtual world for a real world where you're not perfect?

00:42:11.200 You are not meeting perfect women.

00:42:13.580 You the things aren't as controllable where you can fail.

00:42:18.160 I think there's never in history been such a moral hazard as where video games and, you know, I don't think sex dolls are commonplace yet.

00:42:32.720 But surely that's got to be the next step on this virtual reality world that Zuckerberg and Yuval Hariri are talking about.

00:42:41.740 Yes, but we have the truth on our side and we have reality on our side.

00:42:47.640 Like people talk about, you know, this mass censorship and everything.

00:42:51.620 And Gavin, how are you going to survive?

00:42:53.120 And I say, well, the good news is that I have truth on my side. 0.86

00:42:55.800 So eventually people will come around and go, holy crap, Gavin was right.

00:42:59.120 Similarly, when I push, when I'm trying to sell you on going outside, putting away your phone, meeting a girl, getting in shape, going to the gym, accomplishing things, there's rewards there.

00:43:12.360 So, you know, when the government pushes diversity, no one really benefits and they have to spend billions promoting it because mass immigration and ethnomasochism don't really have any rewards.

00:43:26.120 What I'm selling has rewards. 0.68

00:43:28.600 If you put away your phone and you go meet an actual human girl and you end up smooching her, that smooch feels a hell of a lot better than red tube or you porn. 0.97

00:43:40.760 And then when they, these guys come back to me, they go, holy crap, you were right. 0.98

00:43:44.040 That was fun.

00:43:44.960 Or I say, you know, try having a beer at noon after doing nothing.

00:43:50.400 It doesn't taste good.

00:43:51.520 You build a fence in your yard.

00:43:53.280 It's perfectly level and really sturdy.

00:43:55.360 You have that beer after the seven hours it took you to build that fence.

00:43:58.840 It's the most delicious beer you'll ever have in your life.

00:44:01.000 So I keep saying these guys, proud boys, too. 0.98

00:44:04.060 I say when we say try it, like try not watching porn or masturbating for 10 days. 0.65

00:44:10.720 You'll catch yourself singing in the shower, skipping down the street, try putting your phone away all weekend, being bored, going out.

00:44:20.300 And the rewards you get from that will be shocking.

00:44:23.500 So this metaverse they're selling, the rewards are synthetic and sad.

00:44:28.500 The real world that we're pushing with the truth and being a man, the rewards are viable.

00:44:35.760 They're cogent.

00:44:36.300 And when you experience them, you go, wow, Gavin and Ezra were right.

00:44:41.280 The real world is better than the fake world.

00:44:44.920 Are you worried that they're going to snuff you out?

00:44:47.560 I'm worried here in Canada they're going to snuff us out. 0.86

00:44:50.040 I'm worried they're going to delete us.

00:44:51.700 They're going to unperson us.

00:44:52.900 It wouldn't even shock me.

00:44:54.580 Some of our reporters have been jailed.

00:44:56.320 One of our reporters was shot a couple of months ago.

00:45:00.260 We were throttled on the Internet.

00:45:02.680 Look at the truckers.

00:45:03.560 They arrested people on trumped up political charges.

00:45:07.720 They seized bank accounts without legal process.

00:45:10.460 I am genuinely worried.

00:45:12.940 My worry isn't yet a five alarm fire, but it's a constant.

00:45:16.640 It's like I'm driving and the gas tank is light goes on.

00:45:21.420 You know, I'm starting to get worried.

00:45:23.200 And I think something bad will happen not immediately, but I feel like we're we're starting to pass the point of no return.

00:45:30.160 That's how I feel now.

00:45:31.000 Some of that might be because I'm in Canada, a center left country without a strong freedom tradition and a terrible media that's being bought off, et cetera, et cetera.

00:45:43.100 Our Constitution is not meaningful, I've discovered.

00:45:46.440 Are you worried about being literally deleted?

00:45:49.220 Like you're in you're in your in your I'm not going to say ghetto.

00:45:52.900 You're in your place.

00:45:54.380 Center dot TV.

00:45:55.540 You have your you have your are you worried about being turned off?

00:45:58.400 Yeah, I'm literally in a ghetto right now.

00:46:00.640 I'm in the South Bronx.

00:46:02.700 If I you have to you should have a gun illegal or legal when you leave this studio late at night because it's a dangerous area.

00:46:09.820 And I'm not scared of being canceled.

00:46:11.820 I was canceled again.

00:46:13.040 We went through infinite payment processors.

00:46:15.400 I had hackers build my site and I I have lawyers on on retainer.

00:46:21.040 I know I'm going to jail at some point.

00:46:22.720 I got my citizenship recently.

00:46:24.620 I got my American citizenship.

00:46:26.300 I had to be incredibly secretive about that because there was a massive movement to have me deported.

00:46:31.780 So my family is ready for a home invasion.

00:46:35.260 My kids are ready for someone coming to the school.

00:46:38.260 I am totally prepared to end up in prison.

00:46:41.960 I'm totally prepared to be deported.

00:46:44.120 It's all on the cards.

00:46:44.900 I mean, there's I know of like five five close friends are in prison now and dozens more proud boys.

00:46:51.520 I know tangentially in prison for simply meandering around the Capitol.

00:46:56.240 And so don't say that Canada is a socialist place with no freedom and America is free.

00:47:01.800 We're in the exact same boat.

00:47:03.500 America is exactly as anti-freedom as Canada is.

00:47:08.360 But that distinction died probably about 10 years ago, definitely five years ago.

00:47:13.660 So so you say, are you scared of being canceled?

00:47:17.000 No, I'm not scared anymore.

00:47:18.420 Tommy Robinson, our mutual pal, he said, you're going to get to a point where you're not scared anymore.

00:47:24.640 And if someone wants to fight you in the street, we can fight on the street.

00:47:27.960 And it takes a long time to get there.

00:47:30.520 But eventually you're not scared.

00:47:32.800 Now, they attack my family.

00:47:34.820 They ostracize my kids and make their lives hell.

00:47:39.520 My wife was at her breaking point a couple of years ago, but she came out the other side.

00:47:46.040 And and now it's just really two of my kids social lives that are marred by these evil Karens that want to meddle in a children's life. 1.00

00:47:54.580 That's taxing.

00:47:55.540 But as far as like getting canceled, what more can they do?

00:48:00.300 And here's the other thing, too.

00:48:01.900 They say that the Scots like like booze because they like being in adversarial positions where they're handicapped.

00:48:08.560 And I think the Scots who didn't like war are extinct because 600 years of being attacked by the English.

00:48:14.460 You start to like confrontation or at least you the ones who don't are bred out.

00:48:19.460 And I will never stop fighting.

00:48:22.140 I'll commit to that right now.

00:48:24.020 Put me in prison. 0.92

00:48:25.320 Deport me. 0.91

00:48:26.360 Whatever you have to do. 0.93

00:48:28.400 Separate me from my family.

00:48:30.120 Make my wife. 0.99

00:48:31.120 Divorce me. 1.00

00:48:31.740 I will never stop fighting.

00:48:33.900 And that's one of the great things, I guess, about the Internet.

00:48:36.860 You know, say I was didn't get my citizenship and I was deported.

00:48:40.100 I'd still be doing this from Bavaria.

00:48:42.280 I'll still be doing this from prison.

00:48:44.180 I'll still be writing letters from prison, getting the word out.

00:48:47.140 You can't break me.

00:48:48.360 And they've tried.

00:48:50.140 Oh, boy.

00:48:50.580 Who's doing this?

00:48:51.560 I mean, are you are you a comedian first?

00:48:56.560 Are you a political commentator first who uses comedy?

00:49:00.200 Or these days, are you more a media mogul at censored.tv?

00:49:04.840 If like I do not regard myself as a media person first.

00:49:11.040 No, I would put myself in your boat.

00:49:14.100 I think we're both, as your wife once said to me, trying to make the world a better place.

00:49:19.180 And I am a Western chauvinist.

00:49:21.820 I know the West is best for everyone.

00:49:24.780 Minorities, the oppressed, liberal Marxists, their safety, their safety are under Archie Bunker patriarchy.

00:49:32.340 And so I want to promote this.

00:49:34.680 My big message is more families, black, white, just more nuclear families. 0.95

00:49:40.820 Stay together.

00:49:41.880 Don't get divorced. 0.91

00:49:42.740 Don't watch porn. 0.63

00:49:43.840 Now, my general demeanor is lackadaisical and offensive and funny.

00:49:49.200 That's just my personality.

00:49:50.280 But what gets me out of bed in the morning is saving Western man from himself. 0.77

00:49:56.120 I mean, this socialist, communist, woke, self-hating ideology is a plague. 0.99

00:50:02.220 It's a cancer. 0.99

00:50:03.160 And the fact that it's done so well recently is alarming.

00:50:08.900 But that's what I will always fight to say.

00:50:12.020 That's why I never punch right, by the way, because we need to win this war.

00:50:15.680 Then I can attack, you know, neocons and paleocons and libertarians.

00:50:21.920 But right now, we need all the allies we can get.

00:50:26.060 You've been very generous with your time.

00:50:27.760 I appreciate that.

00:50:28.420 I know you're so busy.

00:50:29.620 I want to ask you just two more questions.

00:50:32.260 I got all day, dude.

00:50:33.280 For the last two years, not all of it, but for at least a year of the past two years, we were told don't go out, stay home, interact with the world through your computer.

00:50:51.020 Don't even visit your family.

00:50:53.000 Get all your entertainment through some, you know, through Disney Plus or whatever.

00:50:58.280 Get all your entertainment through the Internet.

00:51:00.260 Interact with other humans through the Internet.

00:51:01.760 Don't go out, get food delivered to yourself.

00:51:04.720 Don't go to the gym.

00:51:06.220 Don't go out on a date other than a virtual date.

00:51:09.580 What did a year or two of physical lockdowns do to the world?

00:51:15.840 Did it accelerate those awful trends you were talking about?

00:51:20.100 Or for every person that did that to, did it wake up others, red pill them to use your phrase?

00:51:25.480 Yeah, it really polarized the entire world.

00:51:29.980 I mean, what I think it showed us is who is genetically communist, because some people just seem to naturally blossom under this regime.

00:51:42.360 They liked the rules that Karen's wanted to tell you to put on a mask that you realize.

00:51:47.340 Wow, there's people that would really embrace Stalin if he came back from the dead and took over this country.

00:51:53.900 That was alarming.

00:51:55.060 And I hope it showed us how dangerous communism can be, because it's not as esoteric as we had hoped when we saw people embrace it.

00:52:02.660 They embrace these rules.

00:52:03.560 But I think it woke up a lot of people.

00:52:08.300 And now, you know what's crazy about COVID?

00:52:10.400 The message I think God was sending is, don't be so fat.

00:52:14.880 And through the game of telephone, that message was completely lost.

00:52:20.100 Sorry, God.

00:52:21.040 You should have written it down clearer.

00:52:22.980 But that message did not get to people.

00:52:25.020 What they got out of it was whatever their political fashion side told them to get out of it, whether it was Trump's fault or Republicans or QAnon or all this stuff.

00:52:36.200 But the end result now, today, is that our government lies to us.

00:52:41.500 And people who were apolitical now are more politically minded, I think.

00:52:46.620 So I think it was ultimately good that we saw the government show their hand.

00:52:52.960 I mean, look at planes today.

00:52:54.240 You still have to wear a mask on a plane.

00:52:56.680 There's a middle aisle seat.

00:52:58.060 The head of Delta says we have the best air filtration systems in the world.

00:53:02.520 If there was a massive outbreak, you'd want to get into a plane.

00:53:06.040 Yeah.

00:53:06.480 Because that's the cleanest air you're going to see.

00:53:08.820 Yeah.

00:53:09.020 But no, they just love the power.

00:53:11.140 And I don't think we realize that we are like China in many ways.

00:53:16.580 Yeah.

00:53:16.800 Well, I mean, I don't know last time you were in Canada, but you still cannot get on an airplane at all if you're unvaccinated or a train for that matter.

00:53:23.700 Last question.

00:53:24.920 Wait a minute.

00:53:25.200 Can I interrupt you before?

00:53:26.480 Well, there was a lot of people fighting here in my neighborhood.

00:53:31.360 Well, not in my rich neighborhood, but the neighborhood I spent time in in the Bronx.

00:53:36.920 You know, my local bar, the guy ripped up all the carpets and he said he's Irish and he's like, you can still come down, but make sure you bring a tool bag. 0.96

00:53:44.160 Like, so we would I never stop going to bars and we would just sit there.

00:53:48.040 You'd have a power drill in one hand and a beer in the other.

00:53:50.180 And if the cops came in, you were just taking a break from doing renovations.

00:53:53.960 Everyone I know at my boxing gym got fake vax cards and traveled with them and and did everything.

00:54:01.380 So even at the peak of the fascism, there was always this sort of a renegade movement of rebels who were not falling for it.

00:54:13.520 Give me 60 seconds on Elon Musk.

00:54:16.840 I'm not going to get my hopes up.

00:54:18.620 We've got the Saudi prince saying he wants more than 53, 40 a share.

00:54:24.800 I don't see me getting uncanceled.

00:54:28.060 It's once you're canceled, you can't get uncanceled like Milo Yiannopoulos.

00:54:31.700 I think he's under the impression that he's going to be a church militant for a while and then he's going to drift back and he'll be the next Jimmy Kimmel.

00:54:38.380 That's not on the horizon.

00:54:39.940 You know, if anything, we're going to become more outcast.

00:54:43.600 But what we can do is solidify that and make this our outcast world better than their mainstream world. 0.99

00:54:51.420 It's already more popular.

00:54:53.060 But, yeah, he might reinstate Trump.

00:54:55.940 He might reinstate the Babylon Bee.

00:54:57.760 But don't think that the real rebels are going to be mainstreamed by any eccentric billionaire anytime soon.

00:55:05.240 You know, we could talk for two hours, but we'll have to set that up for another day to check in with you.

00:55:11.400 You know, I miss those halcyon days.

00:55:15.380 I miss the days where you could tell a joke, even if it had a bit of a rude flair to it.

00:55:21.220 People would laugh or not.

00:55:23.380 And you didn't have this panel of lurking passive sensors over you.

00:55:30.080 I think we're in dark days for freedom and I think the pandemic made everything worse.

00:55:34.760 But it's good to see you flourishing in your own enterprise again.

00:55:40.960 And it's great to catch up with you.

00:55:42.700 And I wish you good luck and success.

00:55:45.080 And I wish you freedom.

00:55:46.820 And I wish all those things for us, too.

00:55:48.740 I feel like we're often in a similar place.

00:55:51.000 So thanks for taking the time with us today.

00:55:53.080 Yeah, don't be gloomy, dude.

00:55:54.480 You're changing the world.

00:55:55.720 I blame you for the trucker convoy and helping wake up Canada. 0.82

00:56:03.180 And that trucker convoy changed America drastically because we saw that everyone lies about the blue collars and what they really believe.

00:56:11.340 So things are looking up, dude.

00:56:13.680 It's a war we're in, but we're well armed and ready to battle.

00:56:18.760 All right.

00:56:19.100 Well, that's a good note to leave it on.

00:56:20.620 Gavin McInnes of Censored, great to catch up with you.

00:56:23.640 Cheers, Ezra.

00:56:24.460 Cheers.

00:56:24.720 Cheers.

00:56:25.380 Stay with us.

00:56:26.780 Some final thoughts next.

00:56:36.120 Well, what did you think of that chat with Gavin McInnes?

00:56:38.560 Was it too inside baseball, too inside the Proud Boys?

00:56:42.520 I mean, I've known Gavin for about a decade now.

00:56:46.040 I think he's actually the funniest human being I've ever met.

00:56:48.600 I think I told you when I went with him to Israel, I hadn't laughed that much and that hard.

00:56:53.360 But since I was a child, like just laughed. 0.95

00:56:57.060 And he's silly and he's funny, but he's also very unsilly sometimes. 0.96

00:57:01.500 He's brutally sober and rough sometimes. 0.99

00:57:04.560 He's one in a billion and he's in trouble for it.

00:57:09.680 And I think his stubbornness is why he's successful.

00:57:12.900 And like with so many of us, it's a double-edged sword.

00:57:15.640 I mean, we all have our interesting qualities and he is a very interesting guy.

00:57:20.240 It's absurd to say his Proud Boys are a terrorist group, but that's the law in Canada, believe it or not.

00:57:26.540 It's absurd to say he's a threat, though he does talk about fisticuffs, maybe a touch too much for my taste.

00:57:31.380 But I wanted to check in with him and he's optimistic.

00:57:35.540 He ended more positive than me.

00:57:37.020 He thinks that people have had their eyes open.

00:57:40.420 He calls that being red-pilled from the movie The Matrix.

00:57:43.200 I don't know.

00:57:43.720 I like keeping in touch with him.

00:57:45.480 I miss his comedic creativity.

00:57:48.440 But to be honest, I don't miss the stress of having him around.

00:57:54.040 He was a handful.

00:57:55.500 I like him and I'm glad to see he's doing well.

00:57:58.520 So that's our special show for today.

00:58:02.160 I'll see you on Monday.

00:58:04.560 Have a happy Easter, happy Passover. 0.54

00:58:07.320 And until next time, keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - April 16, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Catching up with Gavin McInnes

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