Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Donald Trump confronts South African president over white genocide

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Another astonishing encounter at the Oval Office between two presidents,

00:00:06.180 President Trump of the United States and President Cyril Ramaphosa of South Africa.

00:00:11.340 Holy smokes, did it get testy. I'll show you the video and I'll show you a flashback to our

00:00:16.900 documentary about the genocide of white farmers happening in South Africa that we published a

00:00:21.580 few years ago. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to what we call Rebel News

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00:00:31.500 to see the video that Trump played for Cyril Ramaphosa and you've got to see what our Katie

00:00:36.520 Hopkins, she was an alumnus of our channel, what she found when she went to South Africa.

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00:01:00.000 Tonight, South Africa's president visits Donald Trump and he's given the Zelensky treatment.

00:01:06.240 It's May 22nd and this is the Ezra Levant Show. 0.87

00:01:08.300 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:22.760 Well, hi everybody. I'm back in Canada. What a delight to be on our home soil. I was going to 0.82

00:01:29.320 be in the UK because Tommy Robinson was expected to be released from prison before the end of the

00:01:34.860 week and I thought I'm not going to fly all the way back and then fly all the way there. So it's

00:01:38.340 just going to take a couple days and wait for that moment. But the prison engaged in their typical

00:01:44.720 shenanigans. If I understand things correctly, there is a rule that if you're going to be released

00:01:50.380 on a weekend, you actually get released on the day before the weekend starts or the day before

00:01:55.180 the holiday starts. So you would be released on the Friday. So that was what I was thinking

00:01:59.100 would happen. And that's what they told Tommy Robinson would happen. But there's a calculation

00:02:06.120 of when he's let out. And apparently they're measuring it to the hour, like it was a certain

00:02:12.160 hour in the day he was let in. And so that puts them into the weekend. So he's not getting out until

00:02:18.140 next week. Like they're just playing these games with him, just measuring the minutes he was in

00:02:23.740 jail so they could hold him in as long as possible. And the reason I call it shenanigans is because

00:02:28.440 they told him he was getting out on one day and then surprise, we're changing our mind. We're

00:02:34.020 changing the rules. You're stuck in jail for an extra week. And that's just so emblematic of how the

00:02:39.880 prison has been treating Tommy Robinson. Every pettiness, every mind game, every attempt to stress

00:02:45.860 him out and degrade him. The sadistic treatment he has received in the UK over the last seven months,

00:02:52.020 even in their release of him. So that's why I'm back in Canada. But it is nice to be back here.

00:02:58.740 I'm worried about him. And they've been doing this to him for months. They're really not going to

00:03:03.720 stop. You probably saw my little news item about the fact that they're going to prosecute him for

00:03:09.480 taking cameras of taking pictures of cameramen for being a paparazzi. To take pictures of other

00:03:16.140 paparazzi, they're going to try and prosecute him for that. I mean, just two-tier justice doesn't even

00:03:21.260 properly sum it up. It's a sham over there. It's hard to keep believing in the British justice system

00:03:27.260 when every month there's something else like this. Here's a clip of me saying this sort of thing on

00:03:33.700 GB News a couple of days ago in the UK. I was delighted to be on their pretty mainstream channel,

00:03:39.260 pretty serious channel. And I was delighted to be on Michelle Dubry's show. Take a look.

00:03:43.340 There's been an appeal against the sentence. That appeal essentially was rejected. There was

00:03:48.020 an appeal against the conditions that we've been discussing, segregation, call it what you will.

00:03:53.060 That was also rejected. So as far as the state essentially was concerned, the conditions and

00:04:00.560 the duration absolutely fair. You're right. It's been very frustrating. And I've known Tommy for

00:04:07.260 years. He actually briefly worked for Rebel News. And I learned quickly that Tommy has a lot of

00:04:12.920 interactions with the law. I want to give you my personal opinion, which is I think Tommy Robinson is

00:04:18.860 becoming someone for whom it's difficult to get the same justice that someone who is less famous or

00:04:25.900 infamous would get. And again, I don't want to judge the entire British judiciary because it is one of

00:04:32.860 the finest judicial systems in the world. But there is a disparity between the way the law goes after

00:04:39.720 certain people based on their politics. I'm not an expert in the Lucy Connolly case, but 31 months

00:04:45.420 for a tweet that was rude, I grant you. But holy smokes, 31 months, that's more than

00:04:51.280 some convicted members of grooming gangs get. And when Keir Starmer set up the 24 hour day night court,

00:05:00.800 the around the clock court, just a mass produced justice to jail people who, I mean, you were

00:05:07.760 probably following it along with me. I was on the other side of the Atlantic. I was astonished.

00:05:11.240 People were getting jailed for gesticulating. One guy was jailed for shouting at a dog. I don't believe

00:05:17.620 you've been shouting at dogs, a police dog, but you don't put someone in jail for two years for that.

00:05:23.140 And it just seemed to me that the justice in the UK, you've got to be, justice has got to be blind.

00:05:29.780 It's got to be the same for a Labour Party person or a Conservative or a Reform or someone on the right

00:05:36.080 or someone on the left or a Christian or a Muslim. Justice, that's why the symbol of justice

00:05:40.200 is the lady with the blindfold on her eyes. But I fear that it's getting to the point where Tommy

00:05:46.760 Robinson may not be able to get fair justice in the UK because there's such, he's become such a

00:05:53.180 legal pariah. And all of what he's done, he would say, is journalism and activism, not moral

00:06:00.880 turpitude, not crimes of violence or fraud or anything. He would say he's just a crusading journalist.

00:06:07.920 You can disagree with that. But seriously, seven months in solitary confinement, don't let it be

00:06:13.200 normalized. Because first they come for Tommy Robinson. Then they go for Nigel Farage.

00:06:19.320 Then they go for Lucy Connelly. And who's next? We've got, it's easier to fight censorship

00:06:24.620 in the first ditch than in the last ditch. Even if you don't like Tommy Robinson,

00:06:29.180 even if you think he's a hooligan and foul, fine. But remember, the precedent you're setting with him

00:06:35.240 will come back to bite you. That's the nature of the law. You've got to fight for free speech,

00:06:40.740 even for people you don't like. So I'll try to go back over there when Tommy's free and talk to him.

00:06:45.760 He's my friend. We've been covering his case for years. We've been helping, including sometimes

00:06:50.360 crowdfunding his legal bills or crowdfunding a trust fund for his kids. I'm genuinely worried one

00:06:56.020 day he's going to be killed. God forbid, may it not happen, but it's got to be prepared for that.

00:07:00.320 Sometimes I give him a little bit of legal advice, though. I'm not a British lawyer.

00:07:03.940 We've helped internationalize Tommy Robinson's story. We've helped build an international support

00:07:09.600 base for him, including in Canada and the United States. A lot of our viewers are from there.

00:07:13.940 And there's reasons why. First of all, people can see the injustice. Second of all, he talks about

00:07:18.980 themes that are of interest in Canada and the United States and Australia and New Zealand,

00:07:23.740 and indeed on continental Europe and other places too. Themes like the rise of Islam,

00:07:28.520 Islam, radical political Islam, mass immigration, terrorism. And yes, these things are linked. 0.92

00:07:36.400 So I'm happy to be back here where it's a continuing disaster of our own. You know,

00:07:42.080 I'm worried about, I don't know if you saw this, the United States, in Washington, D.C. yesterday,

00:07:47.360 two young, beautiful Israeli staff were assassinated, killed at point-blank range outside a

00:07:54.820 Jewish museum. Take a look and listen to the murderer, the assassin, explain his rationale very 0.99

00:08:03.360 succinctly.

00:08:11.240 Free, free Palestine!

00:08:12.920 Free, free Palestine!

00:08:20.240 Yeah, he's not Arab, he's not Muslim, he's never been to Palestine or Gaza, but he has been radicalized.

00:08:31.080 He's a member of a hardcore left-wing group. And even the way he says, free, free Palestine, just that

00:08:37.000 rhythm, that's how they chant. That is the chant, the mantra, the hypnotic chant that they have

00:08:43.520 indoctrinated millions in. Not in Arabia. They don't say that in Arabia. They say that in the West,

00:08:50.040 in English. That man was radicalized. What did you think globalized the Intifada? You know Intifada

00:08:58.000 means an anti-Semitic violent riot. What did you think they meant by globalized the Intifada?

00:09:04.240 They meant to bring it here, to bring it to Columbia, bring it U of T, bring it to McGill, bring it to

00:09:08.640 Calgary, bring it to wherever they have these protests. That's what they mean. Did you think

00:09:13.040 they didn't mean it? And even if some of them don't mean it, if you have a hundred thousand or a million

00:09:19.200 people across the West chanting that mindless chant, someone's going to take it seriously and do a

00:09:25.000 little bit of murdering. Here's a leftist in New York City challenging the deeply anti-Israel

00:09:32.820 mayoralty candidate for New York City. So I say again, the politician who's being attacked here

00:09:38.400 is extremely pro-Hamas. But he, I guess in New York, where they have almost a million Jews,

00:09:44.660 can't quite bring himself to say death to Israel. But here is a left-wing activist saying,

00:09:51.140 you've got to choose. You can't be for Palestine and for Israel. One of them has to die. Take a 0.97

00:09:56.820 listen to this. Understand we are dealing with the most left-wing mayor, if he's elected, the most

00:10:01.960 left-wing mayor in New York history. And that's a lot considering an actual communist named Bill

00:10:06.440 de Blasio was mayor. And that is not enough for these Hamas types. Take a listen. 1.00

00:10:10.960 What do you say about politicians that constantly reaffirm Israel's right to exist? Because people

00:10:18.520 like me are constantly attacked by politicians for standing up for Palestine. And you are

00:10:24.400 constantly defending the right for Israel to exist. My family is in Palestine right now,

00:10:30.820 constantly under attack. And I'm hearing you say free Palestine, but also Israel has the right to

00:10:36.320 exist. Don't be hypocritical. Don't be hypocritical and say free Palestine when you're also defending 0.99

00:10:42.480 the right for Israel to exist. It does not have the right to exist. It does not have the right to 1.00

00:10:47.680 exist. It's not your land to say it has the right to exist. So yeah, two beautiful young people were

00:10:56.300 murdered just for being Jewish at a Jewish place. It was outside a Jewish event. Don't pretend that 0.86

00:11:03.440 there's a difference when people say, oh, I just hate Zionism. I don't hate Jews. It's like if

00:11:08.400 someone said, oh, no, I don't hate Italians. I just hate Italy. I don't hate the French. I just 0.92

00:11:13.840 hate France. No, you have to understand. I'm not a bigot. What's so gross is watching on social media, 0.85

00:11:21.440 the pure celebrations of these murders. These are two civilian Jews murdered in cold blood. 0.95

00:11:28.280 And the celebration, it's like it was for that assassin, Luigi Mangione. Remember him? Who just

00:11:34.740 murdered a healthcare CEO because that's what socialists do. We have amongst the worst street

00:11:41.920 hate marches in the world right here in Canada. They have some big rallies in the UK. I'll give them

00:11:46.860 that. But the kind of weakly, obsessive, over-the-top anti-Semitic, low-level crime,

00:11:54.720 constant crime, blocking things, trespass, mischief, uttering threats, assaults, and even

00:12:01.420 more serious shooting and fire bombings. We've had that in Canada for a year and a half now,

00:12:06.620 and it's been normalized, arson normalized, and the police standing by and do nothing

00:12:12.020 normalized. And I'm worried it'll be even worse this weekend. There's going to be a march for

00:12:18.100 Israel in Toronto. Typically tens of thousands of people show up. Are you worried that one of these 0.94

00:12:23.660 wackos who may be a foreign national and a radical from Gaza or some other place may be someone like 0.97

00:12:31.020 that or maybe just some wacko on the left, some Antifa thug who's just being brainwashed? I don't 0.99

00:12:36.440 know. But back to the main story today of Cyril Ramaphosa, the president of South Africa, one of

00:12:43.140 South Africa's richest oligarchs. You could say he's a capitalist. He's amassed so much wealth, but a lot

00:12:49.980 of it is through crony capitalism. For example, he made a lot of money on a cell phone company deal

00:12:55.380 with his partner, the Islamic Republic of Iran. He is an old communist. He was a member of the 0.58

00:13:03.960 COSATU, that's the South African Trade Union Congress, which was a communist movement. He's with the ANC,

00:13:12.120 which was a communist party. I'm not even sure communism has a special meaning in South Africa. It just means

00:13:17.880 radical revolution to undo everything in that country's nature. And I believe that country's in

00:13:24.300 a deep decline and Cyril Ramaphosa is presiding over it. He himself is a billionaire, but the country

00:13:30.380 itself is impoverished. So Donald Trump had him over to visit, and he had a whole retinue with him,

00:13:37.440 a whole entourage. And then suddenly, Donald Trump says, turn down the lights and turn on the video.

00:13:46.820 And he played this video. And I want to let it run for a few minutes. I want to let Trump start,

00:13:53.080 and I want it to go a little long. I want you to hear a little bit of their back and forth. Take a look.

00:13:57.000 So who denounced that type of language in the video that you saw?

00:14:00.260 Oh, yes. We've always done so. As government, as my own party, we are completely opposed to that.

00:14:08.520 We, in 1955, adopted a document which said, South Africa belongs to all who live in it.

00:14:16.380 But why wouldn't you arrest that man? That man said, kill the white farmers, kill the white farmers. And 1.00

00:14:22.640 then he danced. And he's dancing, dancing. And it's, kill the white farmers. I think, 0.92

00:14:27.420 I'm not sure, but I think if somebody got up in parliament and started saying, kill a certain group

00:14:33.620 of people, they, he would be in, he would be arrested very quickly. That man is going all over

00:14:40.760 South Africa. And that's not a small party. That was a stadium that holds 100,000 people.

00:14:47.280 And I hardly saw an empty seat. That's a lot of peoples. That's a lot of representation.

00:14:52.020 And that's not a small party. That was a stadium that holds 100,000 people. And I hardly saw an empty seat.

00:14:52.640 And those crosses, we have dead white people, dead white farmers, mostly. 0.97

00:14:59.200 And you take a look at Australia. They're being inundated and we're being inundated with people 0.96

00:15:03.580 that want to get out. And their farm is valueless. It's valueless. And they just want to get out

00:15:10.900 with their life. And this is a very serious situation. Excuse me, turn the lights down.

00:15:18.560 Turn the lights down. And just put this on. It's right behind you.

00:15:22.520 There's nothing this parliament can do. With or without you, people are going to occupy

00:15:30.080 land. We require no permission from you, from the president, from no one. We don't care.

00:15:37.200 We can do whatever you want to do. Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy land or not?

00:15:41.820 We are going to occupy land. South African occupy land. That's who we are. 0.97

00:15:47.100 The people who around who are real.

00:15:56.660 What do we think about here's the chillins' part in this room?

00:15:58.880 Alright, if I need to take steps, why are you there?

00:16:00.160 The revolution demands that at some point there must be killing because the killing is part of a revolution act. 0.98

00:16:09.160 Shoot to kill Yamaha. Kill the poor, the farmer. Kill the poor, the farmer. 1.00

00:16:20.160 The mayor of D.A.M.P.E is a white man. So these people when you want to hit them hard, go after a white man. 1.00

00:16:48.160 They feel a terrible pain because you have touched a white man. 0.97

00:16:55.160 Not because Mashaba and Soni will not be touched. They will be touched. Don't worry.

00:17:02.160 But we are starting with this whiteness. We are cutting the throat of whiteness. 1.00

00:17:08.160 Shoot to kill Yamaha. Kill the poor, the farmer. Kill the poor, the farmer. 1.00

00:17:23.160 Kill the poor, the farmer. Kill the poor, the farmer. 1.00

00:17:38.160 Pah! Pah! Pah! Pah! Pah! Pah! 1.00

00:17:45.160 I can't even know what will happen in the future. I'm saying to you,

00:17:48.160 it was not called for the killing of white people. At least for her. I can't even see the future. 1.00

00:17:54.160 Yeah, but I mean, you don't understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets shared on Twitter.

00:17:59.160 Do they freak out? It sounds like a genocidal horror.

00:18:02.160 Ah, crazy. 1.00

00:18:03.160 Kill the poor. 1.00

00:18:06.160 T osoba recordings are natural. 1.00

00:18:08.160 Can everyone hear their speech.

00:18:09.160 All right?

00:18:10.160 Book the poor boy.

00:18:11.160 T osoba recordings say this.

00:18:14.160 Pah! 0.99

00:18:16.160 Got, maos, maay.

00:18:18.160 T osoba recordings?!

00:18:20.160 T jeito playing,

00:18:23.160 T jeito playing,

00:18:26.160 T relaxing.

00:18:28.160 This is very bad these are the these are burial sites right here

00:18:58.160 burial sites over a thousand of white farmers and those cars are lined up to pay love on a Sunday morning each one of those white things you see is a cross and there's approximately a thousand of them they're all white farmers the family of white farmers and those cars aren't driving they're stopped there to pay respects to their family members

00:19:28.140 who was killed and it's a terrible sight I've never seen anything like it

00:19:34.140 both sides of the road you have crosses

00:19:40.140 those people are all killed have they told you where that is mr. president no I'd like to know where that is because this I've never seen

00:19:59.140 I don't okay I mean it's in South Africa that is an enormously long time to be made to watch a video and the room was packed with journalists from America and from South Africa and the entourage was large I saw there was one lady there who I saw her criticized online for smiling like she was laughing I disagree with those commentators I think that was a reaction of extreme stress

00:20:27.140 yes I mean you're with a billionaire president the most powerful man in South Africa

00:20:33.140 and Donald Trump is showing for six brutal minutes the threats of genocide violence mass murder by a member of the South African parliament the Julius Malema the head of the EFF party the economic freedom fighters what a lie that name is by the way the EFS only gets about 10% of the vote so they're sort of like South Africa's NDP but the mainstream of South Africa is so socialist that to be more extreme

00:21:02.140 more extreme than the communist ANC and I'm not using the word communist as an insult I think it's fair to say the ANC party is communist so if that's the largest party imagine what the 10% most extreme party is that's that Julius Malema who chants kill the boar boar is of course the Dutch word for the Afrikaner white farmers who have been there for 400 years and that's another question is how long does a people have to be somewhere before they're called indigenous when South Africa

00:21:32.040 Israel was settled by the boars 400 years ago it was quite empty compared to what it is now you've had an enormous amount of immigration including illegal immigration into South Africa for centuries to take part in the prosperous economy and relative safety and freedom of South Africa even during apartheid times it's hard to fathom but during apartheid there was mass entering of that country by other people from other countries in

00:22:02.020 Africa who of course South Africa who of course South Africa who of course South Africa who of course South Africa was racist under apartheid but it was safer happier and more prosperous and even more free than the rest of Africa that tells you something incredible.

00:22:13.020 So this group Julius Malema and his EFF chanting kill the boar they're serious and Ramaphosa himself who denied that they were part of his coalition government you have to give him credit it's true it would be like trying to hang the NDP around you know Mark Carney they're friendly but they're not in the same party but Ramaphosa himself goes almost as far.

00:22:37.060 Here's a clip of him saying he believes in land expropriation which he means taking the land away from white farmers and he means it. 1.00

00:22:45.700 This year we will take decisive action to realize the enormous economic potential of agriculture.

00:22:55.300 And as agriculture requires land as agriculture needs land as a basic resource we will accelerate our land distribution program not only to redress

00:23:17.220 a grave historical injustice but also to bring more producers into the agricultural sector and to make more land available to our people for cultivation.

00:23:31.500 We will pursue a comprehensive approach that makes effective use of all mechanisms at our disposal guided by the resolutions of the 54th national conference of the governing party this approach will include the expropriation of land without compensation.

00:23:59.500 It was an amazing ambush it was an ambush and Ramaphosa had brought some white people along with them and I say that because Ramaphosa kept talking about how they're white they're white they're white. 0.65

00:24:23.420 He was trying to preempt Trump's accusations of racism but actually one of Ramaphosa's own delegations said yeah the kind of anti-white violence my own friends and family suffered by it.

00:24:37.780 Here's a clip of that.

00:24:39.040 Yeah it is a battle to get the water out sometimes when all the equipment gets stolen all the time that you're trying to get the water out.

00:24:45.280 So does your family and your brother do they feel safe on the farm?

00:24:48.280 They live behind electric fences you know try and be at night safe but it is it is constant whenever you leave that that something could happen and

00:25:01.180 You know both of them have been attacked in the houses my mom's been attacked in the house when she was 80 so it is it is difficult but you know the guys live a great life despite everything going on. 0.82

00:25:19.300 Of course it happens of course there's anti-white racism there is all around the world there is throughout Europe there is in the racial grooming gangs in the UK where it's overwhelmingly Pakistani men raping working class white girls of course there's reverse racism if you want to call it that you're just not allowed to talk about it's like Christians being purged from Middle Eastern countries.

00:25:45.740 Egypt used to be a Christian country can you even believe that Iraq Lebanon Bethlehem Bethlehem the Christians have been purged by whom well you're not allowed to talk about that I'll give you the answer by Islam or even the story of white Christian slavery did you know that there were more white slaves taken from Britain and Ireland and Europe taken to North Africa.

00:26:14.400 Then there were black slaves sent to North America then there were black slaves sent to North America the white slave trade was actually larger than the black slave trade to North America now there was also other awful slave trades true but you're not allowed to talk about it you're not allowed to say that in any case can white people be a victim even in South Africa where they're murdered.

00:26:37.200 It's fascinating to see the leftist response to the claim of white refugees and white genocide I mean you see it on TV you see it in Canada just a flat-out denial that there is such thing as a genocide of the Boers.

00:26:53.300 We were on this story five years ago when Katie Hopkins worked with us we sent her to South Africa to do a documentary on Plasmore which is sort of the murder the mass murder of the Dutch farmers here let me play a clip of this you can find we recently re-uploaded this to our YouTube channel if you want to watch the whole documentary.

00:27:11.940 Here's a taste of Katie Hopkins going to South Africa a few years ago. 1.00

00:27:18.940 If you don't do what we are telling you to do we're going to rape your wife in front of you and kill her and rape even your children and this small wife. 1.00

00:27:26.940 My husband was murdered in what they classify as a farm attack and they shot him in the head in front of us and he fell at my feet. 1.00

00:27:48.940 In the last year there were roughly 84 farm murders.

00:27:56.940 He took my arm like this and he showed me the way out. 0.92

00:28:11.940 How long were you raped for? 0.96

00:28:18.940 Police weapons have been used. 1.00

00:28:20.940 I hit the ground they started hitting me and said today we're going to kill you you white bastard. 1.00

00:28:43.940 It's a racial thing and the world can say what they want the black people don't want us here. 1.00

00:28:50.940 We belong to each other and we owe it to each other.

00:28:56.940 If we want to keep on farming. 0.84

00:29:00.940 They can come and kill me but I won't go. 0.80

00:29:02.940 Yeah, it's happening. 0.99

00:29:09.940 I mean, yes, there is a lot of black on black violence in South Africa, but the black on white violence is expressly racist.

00:29:17.940 You don't need me to tell you that you saw the head of the EFF say it himself.

00:29:20.940 It was incredible to see the unanimity of the media including in Canada saying there's no such thing as a genocide against the whites.

00:29:29.940 I think Trump is what he says he is though and I think that's why people love him and I think that moment with Cyril Ramaphosa yesterday is something exactly Trump's voters wanted.

00:29:39.940 Donald Trump is against violence.

00:29:43.940 He's against war.

00:29:45.940 He's against war so much.

00:29:46.940 I think the deep state wanted to knock him out.

00:29:49.940 By the way, we never did learn who that would be assassin was who shot Trump's ear, did we?

00:29:54.940 That just sort of went by the wayside.

00:29:56.940 I wonder if we'll ever hear from Kash Patel, the Trump's head of the FBI who was behind that.

00:30:02.940 Trump is against war.

00:30:03.940 He's deeply against the war between Russia and Ukraine.

00:30:06.940 I believe he's against racism, too.

00:30:08.940 And I think he's America first. 0.80

00:30:10.940 And what I mean by that is he's not afraid to have foreign leaders in his office and he'll say exactly what is what's on his mind and calling out things that many people in politics and diplomacy just never would do.

00:30:23.940 Compare him and his focus on white genocide with Mark Carney implying that Israel is committing genocide.

00:30:31.940 I know who represents me more.

00:30:33.940 Stay with us.

00:30:34.940 After the break, an actual South African who knows South African politics joins us to talk about it.

00:30:40.940 You know who I mean.

00:30:41.940 My friend Joel Pollack.

00:30:42.940 That's next.

00:30:43.940 Stay with us.

00:30:44.940 Well, I know a little bit about South Africa, but not a ton.

00:30:56.940 But one of our friends who follows Canadian and American politics very closely, who's actually from South Africa and keeps a close eye on his former homeland is our friend Joel Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com.

00:31:08.940 He joins us now via Skype.

00:31:11.940 Joel, thanks so much for jamming us in your busy schedule.

00:31:14.940 That was such an astonishing meeting.

00:31:16.940 It reminded me in some ways of the meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky, although that one I think was precipitated by Zelensky trying to pick a fight and scuttle a deal.

00:31:26.940 I could be wrong.

00:31:27.940 This one yesterday, I got to say, it was an ambush.

00:31:31.940 You could like the ambush, but it was an absolute ambush.

00:31:34.940 That's what it looked like to me.

00:31:35.940 What did it look like to you?

00:31:36.940 Well, it was a counter ambush.

00:31:38.940 The South Africans came with an ambush of their own.

00:31:40.940 They came there, as they said, to correct Donald Trump's quote unquote misinformation about South Africa.

00:31:47.940 They brought a delegation of four government ministers, one of whom was from the opposition Democratic Alliance, which is sitting in a coalition government right now.

00:31:57.940 Really, the opposition should have two of the five if this was all just about the balance of parties.

00:32:04.940 But the reason John Steenhayzen, the leader of the D.A. and Minister of Agriculture, was brought in is because he's white.

00:32:10.940 And so Ramaphosa, the president, made that absolutely clear when he explicitly referred to him as a white minister in his government.

00:32:17.940 Ramaphosa also referred to other people as white.

00:32:19.940 They were the golfers and businessmen and other people he had brought with him.

00:32:24.940 So Ramaphosa came with a bunch of white South Africans, and the purpose was to try to embarrass President Donald Trump and refute with these living human beings his charges of genocide and racial discrimination.

00:32:39.940 But unfortunately for the South Africa, two things happened.

00:32:42.940 Firstly, the Trump administration was prepared with the video evidence of racial incitement in South Africa.

00:32:48.940 And the second thing was that some of the white South Africans that Ramaphosa had brought along agreed with Trump.

00:32:54.940 They said, yeah, it's true.

00:32:55.940 We have to live behind electrified fences.

00:32:57.940 And my mother was attacked in her home.

00:32:59.940 That was golfer Ratif Husser who said that.

00:33:01.940 And it's scary when we have to leave.

00:33:04.940 And we don't know if we're going to be alive when we come back.

00:33:07.940 And Trump said, that's not a way to live.

00:33:09.940 And that is unfortunately the accepted reality for many South Africans, white and black.

00:33:15.940 And there there is a problem with racial incitement against white farmers that comes from this political party, the economic freedom fighters and also the party, which is another radical racial Marxist party.

00:33:29.940 And they are driving the fear that a genocide could take place in South Africa.

00:33:35.940 Add to that the fact that Ramaphosa, who is supposedly business friendly, signed the Expropriation Act into law earlier this year that allows the government to take property without compensation.

00:33:45.940 And you have the makings of a Zimbabwe style clearing out of white farmers. 0.99

00:33:52.940 So Trump didn't invite Ramaphosa to the Oval Office to embarrass him.

00:33:57.940 Ramaphosa tried to spring one on Trump and found that he himself was caught in a trap and the South Africans just weren't prepared.

00:34:04.940 And this was on the heels of just a couple of weeks ago, about 50 or 60 Boers, those white farmers of Afrikaner descent, who were accepted to the United States as refugees.

00:34:15.940 And it was such a contrast to see real refugees, women, children, waving American flags in gratitude versus the fake and fraudulent asylum seekers that we've been taught to assume as normal military age migrant men coming into America, Ireland, the UK, Canada. 0.64

00:34:34.940 The reaction to both of those things, the reaction to having white farmers as refugees and the reaction to Trump's evidence.

00:34:44.940 Like I watched the video.

00:34:46.940 It was actual video of those EFF hate rallies and of some white farmers describing what happened to them.

00:34:53.940 And yet both the refugees and the video evidence was met in the main by leftist media, mainstream media as not believing it, calling it a hoax, denying it and saying, well, that's not real refugees.

00:35:07.940 Something was exposed there, not just in South Africa, but in the refugee media industrial complex, don't you think? 0.99

00:35:14.940 Well, the American left needs to retain a sense that it's standing on the side of civil rights.

00:35:23.940 So they need a class of oppressors as much as they need a class of victims and white South Africans for many decades have fit the bill. 0.99

00:35:33.940 But the reality of life in South Africa, which is now 31 years after the end of apartheid, is quite different.

00:35:39.940 And this idea that somehow refugees and people vulnerable to persecution have to be the poor, the downtrodden, et cetera, is a fallacy.

00:35:50.940 When you look at groups that have been targeted for genocide, yes, they have been vulnerable, but often they've been seen as elite.

00:35:58.940 The Tutsis in Rwanda were not the poorest people in Rwanda.

00:36:01.940 They were often the best.

00:36:03.940 Well, they were the most well off.

00:36:05.940 I mean, they were they had the best positions in government.

00:36:07.940 They were the professional class.

00:36:09.940 That's not to say that only Tutsis were in that class, but essentially the Tutsis were singled out for being a privileged class, and that's why they were murdered. 1.00

00:36:18.940 That's why a million of them were were completely slaughtered with machetes.

00:36:24.940 And the same is true of Jews in Europe. 0.89

00:36:27.940 Many Jews were poor.

00:36:28.940 In fact, you could probably say that most of the Jewish communities that were annihilated by the Nazis were poor communities, but they were targeted because they were perceived as an elite.

00:36:39.940 The Nazis portrayed them as wealthy capitalists on the one hand and communist agitators on the other, but in each case, a kind of vanguard of some perceived version of evil.

00:36:52.940 They were seen as an elite, and so they were targeted more easily that way.

00:36:56.940 The people who are often victims of genocide are that kind of a group.

00:37:00.940 They're not necessarily the most downtrodden.

00:37:03.940 Now, the most downtrodden are vulnerable as well.

00:37:05.940 And look what the Nazis did to the Roma, the gypsies, for example, in Europe.

00:37:09.940 But generally speaking, elites are more frequently targeted than underclasses.

00:37:14.940 And so the idea that people who are privileged because of their skin color and the imagination of Western liberals don't deserve refugee status means that we've learned nothing from the Holocaust.

00:37:26.940 You can take down all the Holocaust museums and get rid of all the Holocaust education because the most educated people in our society don't think that people with pale skin who might have achieved some success in their lives are worthy of asylum.

00:37:40.940 You know, it's clear to me that the whole refugee immigration industry is simply a political vehicle for the left. 0.91

00:37:47.940 I think the last time the left opposed refugees were pro-America Vietnamese who were fleeing when that country fell.

00:37:56.940 I think that was the last time I can think of when the righteous journalists amongst us were against immigration.

00:38:05.940 What's interesting to me is that South Africa has been on the forefront of saying that Israel is genocidal.

00:38:14.940 South Africa, and it's, you know, it had a UN conference on Islamophobia a few decades ago that was really the starter pistol for the denormalization of Israel. 0.57

00:38:24.940 Recently, the international courts in Switzerland declaring Benjamin Netanyahu persona non grata.

00:38:32.940 South Africa seems deeply invested in that.

00:38:35.940 I think Trump's move sort of blunted that a little bit.

00:38:38.940 It's one thing, perhaps South Africa is pointing at Israel as a genocidal country to distract from its own genocide.

00:38:45.940 I don't know, what do you think of that theory?

00:38:47.940 I think that the observation that South Africa is very sensitive about the charge of genocide is rather ironic and richly so, given what you pointed out, which is that they're accusing Israel of genocide.

00:39:03.940 And Israel, unlike South Africa, was attacked by an army of radical Islamic terrorists bent on murdering as many people as possible. 0.90

00:39:10.940 That didn't happen to South Africa, and yet they've undertaken what some people with greater plausibility argue is potentially a genocidal policy.

00:39:19.940 I don't know exactly if the South Africans have put two and two together on that point.

00:39:26.940 They seem to think that having a separate standard for Israel is perfectly acceptable.

00:39:31.940 And, you know, the leaders of France, Canada, and I can't remember the other country.

00:39:37.940 The UK.

00:39:38.940 The UK, yes.

00:39:40.940 They have decided that Israel is the problem, and Israel has to be pressured to end the war. 0.57

00:39:45.940 And, you know, they have a separate standard for Israel, for the Jewish state. 0.94

00:39:50.940 Evidently, terrorism is okay as long as you kill the right people. 0.98

00:39:54.940 Yeah. 0.61

00:39:55.940 Let me ask you this.

00:39:57.940 I mean, Trump is such a large personality, and he's covered in every country in the world, in every language in the world.

00:40:04.940 He certainly had an impact, and we talked about this last time, on the Canadian election.

00:40:07.940 And I very much regret that impact.

00:40:10.940 We are under Mark Carney's tenure because I think Trump altered the issues and changed the lay of the land here.

00:40:19.940 When Keir Starmer, the British PM, when the Irish Taoiseach came to visit, that's what they call their prime minister, came to visit,

00:40:30.940 all those countries' media were obsessed with, how will Trump handle this?

00:40:34.940 Will he embarrass our guy?

00:40:35.940 Well, like, they were so sensitive to everything that Trump would say.

00:40:40.940 Is South Africa the same way?

00:40:44.940 Like, does anyone back home actually care that Trump embarrassed the president?

00:40:50.940 Will any policies change?

00:40:52.940 In the UK, I think some policies will change.

00:40:55.940 I think that censorship may be fought there by the US State Department because it's censoring America-based social media companies.

00:41:05.940 Like, I think there will be real-life changes.

00:41:08.940 The UK is a NATO ally.

00:41:10.940 So, the UK can only stray so far from the US president before, you know, it has to be pulled back.

00:41:19.940 Is that the case in South Africa?

00:41:21.940 Other than titillating Anglo journalists in Canada, the US, the rest of the Anglosphere, does anyone in South Africa actually care what happened yesterday in the Oval Office?

00:41:34.940 Yes, they do.

00:41:35.940 It was very closely watched.

00:41:36.940 But even though South Africans knew that Ramaphosa had basically embarrassed himself, the South African media, which is very pro-government, kicked in and declared the visit to be a triumph.

00:41:47.940 They thought it was great because Ramaphosa made the case that there's no white genocide, and he came home on a shiny airplane, and he really stuck it to Trump there.

00:41:55.940 Of course, he came home empty-handed.

00:41:57.940 He said going in that he wanted a great trade deal with Trump, and he left with nothing.

00:42:02.940 So, there's that.

00:42:04.940 There is some concern in the South African media, and I think it's going to take them some time to fully digest what happened.

00:42:12.940 But the fact is South Africa remains cut off from American aid, and the White House feels pretty confident that it has undermined the South African government's attacks on the United States and embarrassed the South African government.

00:42:26.940 And the South African government has a job to do, which is to feed the people of South Africa, to keep them healthy, to keep the electricity going, to make sure people with an over 40% unemployment rate can start to find jobs.

00:42:38.940 And it doesn't help when your priority is telling the President of the United States that he's wrong about something, rather than offering compromises that can actually lead to an agreement.

00:42:49.940 I think among those in the know in South Africa, there's a sense of panic about what happened yesterday, and they're scrambling to find a way to connect again to the American administration.

00:42:58.940 This was a wasted opportunity, and Ramaphosa decided that pleasing the media back home, who are essentially not that difficult to please because they always want to be in the government's good graces, pleasing those people was more important than serving the people of South Africa.

00:43:13.940 I think in the long run, I think in the long run, it's going to undermine the government of national unity that exists in South Africa today.

00:43:20.940 Ironically, it's going to make that government more vulnerable to the racial extremists who are demanding land without compensation and calling for killing the farmers.

00:43:27.940 And it's going to hopefully present an opportunity for new leadership to emerge in South Africa that can unite opposition parties in a government that can boot the ANC and its racial cronies out of office and restore a true rainbow nation in a post-apartheid South Africa. 0.60

00:43:46.940 I think we're not there yet, we're not even close, but I think yesterday's meeting was one step closer.

00:43:51.940 I know you've got to go. Let me just ask you one last question.

00:43:54.940 It seems to me in the world in 2025, it's not as unipolar as it was, say, 10 years ago.

00:44:02.940 Yes, America remains the hyper-power, the biggest economy, the biggest military, all those things.

00:44:07.940 But China is very much there, ready to fill any gaps left by America leaving a place.

00:44:15.940 I mean, China is practically colonizing Africa from top to bottom. 0.53

00:44:20.940 And, you know, it's one thing to push South Africa away, and I think Trump was correct in many things he did yesterday. 0.99

00:44:26.940 But there's this BRICS group, Brazil, Russia, India, China, et cetera, that sets itself up as an alternative to the G7.

00:44:34.940 There's the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative.

00:44:37.940 China wants to have its spheres of influence much further away than just home.

00:44:42.940 Is there a chance that if America has too much tough love towards South Africa, that China will say,

00:44:49.940 we'll give you everything you ever wanted, and we won't humiliate you, we won't colonize you again?

00:44:56.940 Like, is China strong in South Africa? Is it going to fill the gaps?

00:45:00.940 I'll answer you by saying the same thing I said when you asked me about the new Canadian government, which is that it doesn't work.

00:45:13.940 It just doesn't work.

00:45:14.940 You know, liberalism in the Canadian government is not working.

00:45:20.940 It's just not working.

00:45:22.940 You can see already now there are policies on the Middle East.

00:45:25.940 I mean, what success do you think a policy of ending the war in Gaza without disarming Hamas could possibly have? 0.91

00:45:33.940 All it does is encourage future terror attacks.

00:45:36.940 Likewise, with China in Africa, China is good at building infrastructure and so forth.

00:45:42.940 Although the Chinese are terrible at maintenance, and many Chinese projects are hastily conceived to get into the good graces of African governments to get access to their natural resources, but they're not well maintained.

00:45:53.940 The Chinese language is almost impossible for locals to learn and to read and write, and Chinese dominance in Africa has been generally bad for Africa. 0.68

00:46:06.940 So on the surface, there are some accomplishments of Chinese colonialism, and the Chinese and other rogue nations are filling the coffers of African political parties in the ruling side of things. 0.50

00:46:19.940 But in the long run, it doesn't work, and it's not even working in China.

00:46:22.940 The Chinese economy is much more vulnerable to change than the American economy.

00:46:26.940 We don't like recessions.

00:46:28.940 We don't like cargo crises.

00:46:31.940 We don't like supply chain problems.

00:46:33.940 We don't like inflation.

00:46:34.940 We don't like national debt and all of that.

00:46:37.940 But we have the ability to change these things and to adapt to things as they change.

00:46:41.940 Totalitarian systems do not have that ability.

00:46:43.940 They have the ability to organize society towards specific goals very rapidly.

00:46:47.940 So you're right.

00:46:48.940 When it comes to dominating manufacturing, the Chinese government has done a good job of directing Chinese industry.

00:46:54.940 But once the conditions change, China is not very good at adapting.

00:46:58.940 And I'm reminded, again, of the story of the Yom Kippur War, when the Arab armies around Israel attacked it on the holiest day of the year.

00:47:08.940 And the Syrian army had better tanks than the Israelis.

00:47:12.940 They had the brand-new Soviet tanks.

00:47:15.940 And the Israelis had these World War II-era tanks.

00:47:18.940 They only had reservists on the Golan Heights.

00:47:20.940 And so the Syrians advanced very quickly across the Golan Heights.

00:47:23.940 They almost went down into what was then Israel proper.

00:47:27.940 And that would have allowed them to take over the Galilee. 0.96

00:47:30.940 They had the high ground.

00:47:32.940 But a couple things happened.

00:47:34.940 One was that the Syrian officers weren't empowered in the field to make decisions on their own.

00:47:40.940 So once they started making these rapid advances, they couldn't decide to keep advancing.

00:47:43.940 They had to wait for permission.

00:47:45.940 So they couldn't take advantage of the initiative that they had won with their surprise attack.

00:47:49.940 And secondly, as high-tech as their tanks were with night vision and everything which the Israelis didn't have, 0.94

00:47:55.940 the turrets of the Syrian tanks happened to be slightly taller than the turrets of the Israeli tanks.

00:48:01.940 So when the Syrian tanks were coming up over a hill, the Israelis would see them first. 0.96

00:48:06.940 And so they could fire at the Syrian tanks and knock them out.

00:48:09.940 So there's this problem that authoritarian societies have with innovation, with delegation, and with the improvisation that is necessary for changing circumstances.

00:48:23.940 You can take a beat-up democracy on any day of the week, and it might not look as attractive as a totalitarian society.

00:48:32.940 The streets of Washington, D.C. might not be as nice as the streets of Beijing or Moscow.

00:48:37.940 But I would take the democracy in the long run over the totalitarian society, as long as the democracy is run well and led well.

00:48:44.940 That's always a big if. But I don't think that Chinese influence in Africa has a happy ending. 0.99

00:48:51.940 And so when South Africans have said to me, well, if you don't like our policies, we're just going to go with China.

00:48:56.940 My response is, go ahead. You know, your entire ideology is based on anti-colonialism.

00:49:01.940 But if you want to be colonized by another civilization, try the Chinese. 1.00

00:49:06.940 I assure you, it's not as nice as being colonized by the British. 1.00

00:49:11.940 So good luck. And that always stops them in their tracks, because once you put it that way, they realize there really isn't an alternative.

00:49:19.940 Even the South African ambassador who was expelled from the United States, Abraham Rasul, said that even with all the trade they're doing in China,

00:49:27.940 the trade they're doing with China is China taking raw minerals from South Africa.

00:49:31.940 The trade they're doing with the United States is selling manufactured goods to the United States like automobile components or even sometimes finished automobiles.

00:49:38.940 So what's better for the development of South African industry, letting China dig up the raw minerals and leave or allowing Americans to invest in South African factories

00:49:48.940 and then selling the Americans finished products that require South African labor and that train that South African workforce with skills that they can then use to start their own businesses.

00:49:59.940 Obviously, the American trade is more beneficial.

00:50:02.940 And even the most anti-American ambassador who called Trump a white supremacist leader understood that.

00:50:07.940 So if you want to go with China, go ahead. But it doesn't work out well.

00:50:11.940 Well, it probably works out well enough for China, which is of concern to me.

00:50:17.940 The whole thing makes me sad.

00:50:19.940 I mean, I've never been to Africa, but I see footage of it.

00:50:23.940 And I'm not for racism either, by the way.

00:50:25.940 But I see the decay of the safety and the prosperity and the freedom of Rhodesia, now called Zimbabwe.

00:50:33.940 And I feel like there's a slow motion.

00:50:36.940 Like, I feel like the decline of South Africa is almost irreversible.

00:50:41.940 And I don't know, I mean, you're from there originally.

00:50:44.940 I just feel a great sorrow.

00:50:46.940 It's not irreversible.

00:50:47.940 It's not.

00:50:48.940 It's not.

00:50:49.940 But it takes, it will take a tremendous effort and an investment by the rest of the world.

00:50:53.940 Yeah, that's not going to happen.

00:50:54.940 There are islands of excellence in South Africa, the Western Cape province, for example, where Cape Town is located.

00:51:00.940 It's basically a first world country surrounded by the dysfunction of Africa in the other eight provinces. 1.00

00:51:07.940 So you take the Western Cape and you build from there.

00:51:10.940 You know, a friend of mine is on his way to Cape Town and the Kruger Park.

00:51:14.940 If you know the geography of South Africa, those are opposite corners of the country.

00:51:18.940 Cape Town is as far southwest as you can go.

00:51:20.940 The Kruger Park is as far northeast as you can go.

00:51:22.940 Those two parts of the country work very well.

00:51:24.940 The rest of the country does not.

00:51:26.940 And yet you can build on those islands and say, okay, we're going to invest in the Western Cape.

00:51:32.940 And it's not just Cape Town.

00:51:33.940 It's the countryside around Cape Town.

00:51:35.940 There's incredible farming there.

00:51:37.940 There are deserts that would be amazing for solar farms.

00:51:42.940 There are water resources.

00:51:44.940 There is incredible infrastructure.

00:51:46.940 The roads there, even though they're narrow because they haven't been widened like big American interstates, those narrow roads are still in pretty good condition in the Western Cape.

00:51:53.940 In other parts of South Africa, there's more pothole than road.

00:51:56.940 So you take those centers of excellence and you build on them.

00:52:00.940 But time is running out.

00:52:01.940 You're right.

00:52:02.940 There is a point of no return beyond which the state collapses.

00:52:04.940 And then everybody might as well be a refugee. 0.84

00:52:07.940 Wow.

00:52:08.940 Well, thanks for joining us with your point of view.

00:52:10.940 I was rooting for you to become the ambassador from the U.S. to South Africa.

00:52:15.940 Maybe we should organize a rebel tour to South Africa, although I have to make sure I'm not going to get arrested at the airport.

00:52:20.940 I am deeply hated in South Africa at the moment.

00:52:23.940 The Mail and Guardian, which is one of the main left-wing newspapers there, blamed me personally for the impasse between South Africa and the United States, which is fake news.

00:52:32.940 But that tells you something about my chances of getting out of there alive.

00:52:36.940 Right.

00:52:37.940 It makes you sound like an extremely powerful man, though, so we're grateful to have you join us.

00:52:42.940 I can't fix my washing machine, Ezra, so I'm on my way to the laundromat, but I'm an extremely powerful man in Africa.

00:52:48.940 Great to see you.

00:52:49.940 Thanks, Joel.

00:52:50.940 Thank you.

00:52:51.940 There he is, Joel Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com.

00:52:54.940 And the man who controls Africa like a pearl or like a diamond in his hand. 0.90

00:52:59.940 Well, that's our show for today.

00:53:01.940 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:53:16.940 Well, I want to read a couple of letters, but they're actually comments from premium subscribers put on our website.

00:53:22.940 So let me invite you to make comments on our website.

00:53:25.940 If you're Rebel News Plus subscribers, you have that power.

00:53:28.940 No one else does.

00:53:29.940 Michael Guillory commented,

00:53:31.940 Inform your elected representative of your expectations from publicly paid services, i.e. police.

00:53:36.940 Ask friends and relatives to do likewise.

00:53:38.940 It's not time to be idle.

00:53:39.940 Canadians need to steer newcomers towards Canadian values. 0.99

00:53:42.940 You're talking about the astonishing case of an ambulance with a young boy in it being delayed four full minutes while largely foreign Hamas supporters break the laws in our streets. 0.89

00:53:54.940 Yeah, I mean, I take your point about encouraging people to assimilate and integrate.

00:54:00.940 But I think it's physically and socially impossible for two, three, four million people to integrate, especially if newcomers are now the majority in certain parts of the country. 1.00

00:54:11.940 But more than that, I don't think foreigners who bring a hatred for our country.

00:54:16.940 I'm not even talking about Israel anymore.

00:54:18.940 Foreigners who come to our country, Canada, to hate it, who are not citizens yet, they should be sent home. 1.00

00:54:24.940 I don't want to integrate. 0.78

00:54:25.940 The guy with the smoke bomb, I don't want to integrate him in the community.

00:54:29.940 I don't want him to be a leader of a scout troop.

00:54:32.940 The guys who were blocking the ambulance and refused to move.

00:54:36.940 I don't want them on the PTA or the Rotary Club.

00:54:39.940 I want them sent back.

00:54:41.940 Robert Beattie says, haircut is fine.

00:54:43.940 It's the cut of people who don't take a knee to the government.

00:54:46.940 You know what?

00:54:48.940 I go to this local barbershop and the guy who cuts my hair is a pretty old guy and I think he's Russian.

00:54:55.940 I used to go to a really old guy who was Italian.

00:54:57.940 I got this rule of thumb.

00:54:58.940 No barbers under 70, but my guy was busy.

00:55:01.940 And so this other guy, I don't even know if he even worked there, to be honest.

00:55:05.940 And I don't think he spoke English well.

00:55:07.940 And now it is true.

00:55:09.940 You get a haircut like this and you lose a couple of ugly pounds really quick.

00:55:12.940 So I've never been slimmer.

00:55:14.940 I'm kidding around.

00:55:15.940 It emphasizes my fat-itude.

00:55:18.940 So, yeah, I'm not thrilled with the haircut, but thank you for saying nice things anyways.

00:55:23.940 Susan Gerbisch commented, this situation has become out of control.

00:55:26.940 You're talking about the ambulance blocking an ambulance as if they didn't see it or hear it.

00:55:30.940 Criminal actions on so many levels that don't get acted upon.

00:55:33.940 This is a great incentive to leave Canada.

00:55:35.940 Listen, I know that instinct to leave Canada.

00:55:37.940 And by the way, a lot of people left Canada over COVID, over the pandemic, over the lockdowns.

00:55:42.940 And frankly, a lot of people and their money left Canada after the government seized bank accounts.

00:55:48.940 I heard a lot of stories of people taking their money out of our banana republic then.

00:55:54.940 And I'm tempted too.

00:55:55.940 Listen, I know how lovely Florida is.

00:55:57.940 And especially in the wintertime in Toronto, you can't afford a house.

00:56:01.940 The weather's atrocious.

00:56:02.940 The politics are worse.

00:56:04.940 It's tempting to go somewhere like Texas or Florida.

00:56:08.940 I get it.

00:56:09.940 I absolutely get it. 0.99

00:56:10.940 But I don't want to hand over this great prize called Canada to just a bunch of losers that come over. 0.98

00:56:16.940 You know, let me leave you with this one thought. 0.93

00:56:18.940 I don't know if you follow it, but there's this absolutely awful singing contest.

00:56:24.940 It's sort of like America's Got Talent or American Idol or whatever.

00:56:27.940 It's called Eurovision.

00:56:29.940 And it's a bunch of countries that are some way associated with the EU.

00:56:32.940 I don't know how they do it.

00:56:34.940 But each country has a song.

00:56:36.940 And it's sort of done in concert with their local state broadcasters.

00:56:39.940 It's a big contest.

00:56:41.940 And in the last two years, it's really been hijacked by anti-Israel extremists.

00:56:47.940 So when the Israeli singer comes in, like so many people in the crowd are booing, booing her.

00:56:53.940 She's got nothing to do with the government. 0.87

00:56:55.940 It's like a singing contest, but because she's a Jew from Israel, they boo her.

00:56:59.940 Anyways, so she had to practice singing in a room full of people booing so it wouldn't shock her.

00:57:06.940 Can you believe that?

00:57:07.940 She's just a young girl.

00:57:08.940 Actually, she survived.

00:57:09.940 What am I saying?

00:57:10.940 She's not just a young girl.

00:57:11.940 She actually survived the attack. 0.86

00:57:13.940 She hid under dead bodies so that these Palestinian Nazis didn't find her and kill her.

00:57:20.940 Anyway, she came in second. 1.00

00:57:22.940 And the voting, there's sort of a jury.

00:57:26.940 Each country has a jury, like a group of fancy voters.

00:57:30.940 But then people can text or phone ordinary people from every country.

00:57:35.940 The Israeli singer came in first by ordinary Europeans voting and second after the jury votes were counted.

00:57:45.940 And including in countries like Ireland or Spain or places that their politicians are very anti-Israel.

00:57:53.940 And I didn't watch it.

00:57:55.940 I don't watch Eurovision.

00:57:56.940 I don't know the song.

00:57:57.940 But to me, there was a little flicker of hope.

00:58:00.940 And here's why I'm saying that to you.

00:58:02.940 You would think by watching the media, especially social media, that the whole world hates Israel and the whole world has gone mad for Hamas.

00:58:09.940 You would think that.

00:58:10.940 You would think that.

00:58:11.940 You would think that the Israeli contestant, who is booed so much at the contest she has to practice in a room full of people shouting at her.

00:58:18.940 You would think she'd come last.

00:58:21.940 But she came in second, first according to the people.

00:58:24.940 That tells me that don't be suckered by the PSYOP.

00:58:29.940 Don't be tricked into thinking all hope is lost.

00:58:33.940 I was in Runcorn in Northern England.

00:58:36.940 53% had voted for the Labor Party last time, just a year ago.

00:58:41.940 Now Nigel Farage's Reform Party won.

00:58:43.940 And their motto, you know it.

00:58:45.940 I said it three times already on the show.

00:58:47.940 It was freeze immigration, stop the boats. 1.00

00:58:52.940 So easy to remember.

00:58:54.940 I even remember without notes.

00:58:55.940 Freeze immigration, stop the boats. 1.00

00:58:57.940 And they won in what was, I think, the 16th safest district for the Labor Party.

00:59:03.940 So don't despair.

00:59:06.940 Don't give up.

00:59:07.940 Why should you leave your own country?

00:59:09.940 My family's been in Canada since 1903.

00:59:12.940 That's 122 years.

00:59:14.940 I'm not leaving Canada because some thug just off the boat starts opening up smoke bombs 0.99

00:59:21.940 and shouting at Jews. 0.99

00:59:23.940 No, he can get the hell out, not me. 0.99

00:59:25.940 That's our show for today.

00:59:27.940 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home.

00:59:30.940 Good night.

00:59:31.940 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:59:33.940 Go $ilos 1.00

00:59:44.220 Good night.

00:59:55.600 Good night.

00:59:56.000 Good night.

Rebel News Podcast - May 23, 2025

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