Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Eby takes a $10-a-day daycare spot he froze for everyone else

00:00:00.400 Hello, my friends. There's this great story out of British Columbia I want to share with you.

00:00:04.960 A socialist who believes in subsidizing daycare for poor people. Well, he's been caught using

00:00:11.320 that $10 a day daycare for himself and his physician wife. I'm talking about David Evey,

00:00:17.440 the premier of BC. Between the two of them, probably making half a million bucks a year,

00:00:21.760 but they took a subsidized daycare spot. Oh, it's perfect. I'll show you the video.

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00:00:57.720 tonight the NDP premier of British Columbia gets asked one question about his own family's daycare

00:01:06.240 and his answer might just cost him the election it's October 14th and this is the Ezra Levant show

00:01:12.100 shame on you you sensorism bug

00:01:27.720 I'll show you the clip in a moment, but first a little background,

00:01:30.360 because the clip itself is only a few words long.

00:01:32.960 What makes it devastating is everything around it.

00:01:35.280 Now, British Columbia has a program called $10 a day childcare.

00:01:39.240 That's literally the brand name.

00:01:40.880 It was the NDP signature promise back in the 2017 election.

00:01:44.760 Every family, 10 bucks a day.

00:01:46.880 Now, nine years later, how many of the province's licensed childcare spaces

00:01:51.240 are actually $10 a day daycares?

00:01:53.560 I think it's about 10%, roughly 18,000 spots in the province.

00:01:57.720 The other 90% of parents pay what daycare costs in BC,

00:02:02.020 which is the most expensive in the country for it, actually.

00:02:06.120 Advocates say that it's between $40 and $100 a day per child.

00:02:10.880 That's sort of crazy when you add it up.

00:02:13.460 And this spring, David Eby's NDP government announced a three-year pause

00:02:18.980 on expanding the program, so no new $10 a day sites.

00:02:22.880 If you got one of the golden tickets, you're lucky.

00:02:25.340 Congratulations.

00:02:25.740 regulations. If you don't, well, the door is shut until at least 2029. So the program is frozen.

00:02:32.720 The wait lists are as long as you're armed. And the premier is in the middle of an election

00:02:36.640 campaign. Voting day is October 24th, just a week and a half from now. And that's the setup. Here's

00:02:43.160 the question. It came from Jordan Armstrong of Global News, BC, Monday morning at a campaign

00:02:48.560 stop in Delta. And I'm a critic of Global News, but boy, did they do a good job here. Take a look.

00:02:54.580 The question is, has your family ever benefited from a $10 a day child care program and is so?

00:02:59.620 Can you clarify when and how?

00:03:02.280 Yes, the YMCA that I don't want to reveal where my kids go to daycare, but yes, the YMCA is one of our partners in $10 a day and my family has, yes.

00:03:15.160 So some Democrats are upset you won't commit to a universal $10 a day strategy as promised by your predecessor.

00:03:20.920 Or how do you think just the optics of that and how people would feel knowing that you benefit from a program that very few people have access to and one that you won't expand?

00:03:30.480 Yes, my family has. Yes. Now, I'll give him this much. He didn't lie.

00:03:36.560 I guess he could have lied, probably would have been smoked out. He probably realized that would be fatal.

00:03:41.180 He could have dodged. He could have said my family's private life is private.

00:03:45.240 But no, he said yes. But watch what happened next, because Armstrong asked the obvious follow up.

00:03:50.500 let me read it to you. How do you think just the optics of that and how people would feel

00:03:56.580 knowing that you benefit from a program that very few people have access to and one that you won't

00:04:01.380 expand? And on the video, there is no answer. He just doesn't take it.

00:04:09.140 So some Democrats are upset you won't commit to a universal $10 a day strategy as promised

00:04:14.340 by your predecessor. How do you think just the optics of that and how people would feel

00:04:18.080 knowing that you benefit from a program that very few people have access to and one that you won't

00:04:23.840 expand now a few hours later the damage control the bcndp put out a statement on his behalf let

00:04:29.220 me read you the key lines my family has benefited from a wonderful local child care center all right

00:04:35.060 keep going a couple years ago the statement says the center one of his kids was already attending

00:04:40.700 got designated a ten dollar a day site and then this when that occurred we chose as a family to

00:04:47.100 make a donation to that excellent facility. You did, eh? A donation. Because as the statement

00:04:53.160 put it, they quote, felt that we did not need that discount. So by Tuesday in Vancouver,

00:04:58.720 reporters had the obvious questions. How much was the donation? Did you get a charitable tax

00:05:03.500 receipt for it? Here's what he said. We certainly didn't need that discount. And we paid the

00:05:09.420 difference between what it was before and what it was after the $10 day daycare. He won't say how

00:05:15.460 much though. He won't say whether he wrote it off on his taxes. How much was your donation and did

00:05:21.660 you use it as a tax write-off? So when our local child care facility became a $10 a day facility,

00:05:33.440 Kaylee and I had a look at it and we certainly didn't need that discount. So we made the decision

00:05:41.380 to donate the difference to our child care provider

00:05:43.960 so that other families could benefit.

00:05:46.740 It's not necessary to shout.

00:05:50.340 You asked your question and I was answering, Jordan.

00:05:55.840 Jordan, I told you very clearly that we paid the difference

00:05:58.980 between what it was before and what it was after the $10 a day daycare.

00:06:04.020 You don't have to shout at me.

00:06:05.640 We made that decision because we didn't feel that we needed that benefit.

00:06:09.780 We wanted other families to benefit.

00:06:13.120 And so my focus remains on making sure that all British Columbians have access to affordable child care,

00:06:18.420 and we're going to do that work.

00:06:19.500 How much was the donation? Can you tell us the amount?

00:06:21.700 I told you how much the donation was, Jordan, and you don't have to shout at me.

00:06:25.360 The difference between what it was before and what it was after it became a $10 a day space.

00:06:30.520 He won't say how much, though. He won't say whether he wrote it off on his taxes.

00:06:35.060 Of this morning, no one has seen the receipt.

00:06:37.060 Now, let me do the math that he won't do.

00:06:39.420 Now, David Aby's salary as premier is just under a quarter million dollars a year.

00:06:44.240 His wife, Kaylee Lynch, is a doctor.

00:06:47.080 I don't know her income, I'm not going to guess, but I think it's safe to say this is a household in the top few percent in the province.

00:06:53.820 We certainly didn't need that discount, you think.

00:06:58.220 Now, there's no rule that says a premier can't use a $10 a day daycare.

00:07:03.240 The program is not means tested.

00:07:05.540 it never was. When a center signs on, every child already enrolled there converts to $10 a day

00:07:10.100 automatically. Eby says his kid was already there before the center joined. I can't, I don't have

00:07:16.000 any evidence to the contrary. No one has alleged that he pulled a string or jumped a cue. Even the

00:07:21.040 conservative candidate leading the attack, Margarita Dovgal, started her statement by saying

00:07:25.960 nobody begrudges David Eby and his wife for their success. All right, well then what's the problem?

00:07:31.160 only here's the problem. This is the man who built the program, and this is the man who froze

00:07:36.000 the program. This is the man who personally decided there would be about 18,000 golden

00:07:40.720 tickets in the province and not one more for three years. And he's holding one of those golden

00:07:45.200 tickets. Here's the rest of Doggal's statement. What families will not accept is a premier who

00:07:50.720 promised them $10 a day daycare, failed to deliver it, and then took one of the scarce

00:07:54.980 spots for himself while a single mom working two jobs sits on a wait list. And think about the

00:08:00.800 donation for a second. If you honestly didn't need the discount, it's a very simple thing you

00:08:05.660 need. Just call the center and say, take my kid off the $10 a day list. Give that spot to the

00:08:10.020 next family on the wait list. That's it. That's what not needing it looks like. He didn't do that.

00:08:15.520 He kept the spot and he says he made a donation. He won't document it. Won't say how much it was.

00:08:22.180 By the way, if that center is a registered charity and a lot of these YMCA affiliated

00:08:26.180 daycare centers are. They come with a tax receipt. So part of the donation may actually

00:08:31.040 have been paid for by you and me. We don't know. He won't say. Even the CBC couldn't make this one

00:08:37.300 go away. They went to a political scientist at the University of the Fraser Valley, Hamish

00:08:41.300 Telford. And here's what he said to them. He said, quote, it looks like the privileged are

00:08:45.500 getting a privilege and that never, never looks well. And the Vancouver Suns, Rob Shaw, who is

00:08:51.440 no conservative put it in his headline eb's ten dollar a day child care spot reeks of hypocrisy

00:08:57.280 reeks now i've seen this movie before in fact i saw it in toronto with another ndp couple uh the

00:09:04.720 sequel is playing right now mancouver go back to 1990 jack layton is a city counselor in toronto

00:09:10.920 olivia chow is a school board trustee soon to be his wife and today she is of course the mayor

00:09:16.380 of Toronto. Now, the two of them lived in a place called the Hazelburn Co-op. It's a federally

00:09:23.240 subsidized housing co-op. Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation Mortgage at 2%. Imagine a

00:09:29.060 2% mortgage built so that low-income families could have a decent place to live. In June of

00:09:35.660 1990, the Toronto Store reported that Jack and Olivia were living in a three-bedroom unit there

00:09:40.840 for $800 a month for a three-bedroom unit.

00:09:45.340 Their combined income, as reported at that time,

00:09:47.380 was about $120,000.

00:09:49.140 Now in 1990 dollars, that's, I don't know,

00:09:51.740 double today, about a quarter million dollars

00:09:53.240 in today's money.

00:09:54.000 And he's on subsidized, low-income housing.

00:09:58.740 Two of the most prominent socialists in the city,

00:10:01.160 amongst the best-paid people in the building

00:10:03.300 that taxpayers built for the poor.

00:10:07.160 And what did they say when they got caught?

00:10:08.840 Well, here's Olivia Chow, years later,

00:10:10.560 still saying it. It's a co-op, right? It's mixed income. I paid market rent. No, you didn't. You

00:10:16.560 liar. And Jack and I didn't get one penny of subsidy. You wicked liar. Market rent. Now, 0.97

00:10:25.440 in fairness, and I'll always be fair, the police actually looked into it in 1990 and found no

00:10:30.560 criminality. No one broke the law. There was no fraud. And the co-op's rules allowed higher

00:10:38.200 income tenants in the name of mixed neighborhoods. It's funny, though. It sounds so familiar. It's

00:10:43.340 the same defense EB is using 36 later. Well, the rules allowed it. It's technically allowed.

00:10:49.860 But here's what Jack and Olivia did when the story broke. They started paying

00:10:53.460 an extra $325 a month to cover the subsidy they said they weren't getting. And then that June,

00:11:00.420 they moved out and bought a house in Chinatown. So the pattern is, take the thing that was built

00:11:04.740 for the poor, insist you're not really taking it. When you get caught, pay a little extra and call

00:11:10.740 it virtue. You're so charitable. You really went beyond the call of duty. And that's the pattern.

00:11:16.820 That's the point I actually want to make tonight because it's bigger than David Eby or Olivia

00:11:20.460 Chow or Jack Layton. The left is not more virtuous than the right. The left is more virtue signaling

00:11:29.320 than the right. Those are very different things. Virtue is what you do when nobody's looking.

00:11:34.520 virtue signaling is what you say when the cameras are rolling. David Eby will stand at a podium and

00:11:40.060 talk about affordable daycare for working families until the cows come home. That's the signal. The 0.94

00:11:45.140 virtue would have been to give up the spot. He didn't do that. And when they get caught, they

00:11:49.060 all sound exactly the same. Let me show you the original. This is a classic here. David Dingwall,

00:11:55.160 liberal cabinet minister under Jean Chrétien, then he was appointed the president of the Royal

00:11:59.120 Canadian Mint. Now, in 2005, it came out through an access to information request that his office

00:12:05.220 had run up almost $750,000 in expenses in a single year. Somewhere in the paperwork,

00:12:14.340 there was $1.29 for a pack of chewing gum. Isn't that funny? He resigned in September of 2005.

00:12:21.640 Three weeks later, he went before the House of Commons Committee, Operations Committee,

00:12:27.260 and he said the thing that followed every liberal around for years he said i'm entitled to my

00:12:33.740 entitlements and if that includes severance so be it take a look you're trying to say that

00:12:38.220 entitlements uh i'm not entitled to my entitlement i am entitled to my entitlement well and it did

00:12:43.760 include severance the next february an arbitrator decided that his resignation had somehow been

00:12:49.280 involuntary, and he was paid $417,000 plus his pension. Then he billed the mint, another 40 grand

00:13:00.340 for the lawyers who sat beside him at the committee. That's the spirit of the thing. Dingwall was

00:13:06.520 entitled to his entitlements. Jack and Olivia were entitled to their low-income co-op. David Eby is

00:13:13.240 entitled to his $10 a day. And you, the single mom in Surrey working two jobs, you're entitled 0.98

00:13:19.140 to a wait list. Here's what gets me most, though. It's how petty it is. I mean, daycare runs 40 to

00:13:26.220 100 bucks a day. Take 10 off the top. And the discount's worth, I don't know, $30 to $90 a day.

00:13:33.120 Call it $600 to $1,800 a month. Because it's not nothing. But for a household with a premier's

00:13:39.220 salary and a doctor's salary, that's pretty much a rounding error. And he risked an election for

00:13:46.440 a rounding era and and it's sort of greed but it's a little bit different greed i think it's

00:13:51.760 a little bit more ambitious this is something pettier it's the quiet assumption that the

00:13:55.860 program is for him that he's just he deserves it he's just one of the good people and he should

00:14:03.180 be in the front of the line because he is who he is the rules that he writes for you don't quite

00:14:08.180 mean the same thing for him it's not really socialism it's it's a club and he's the most

00:14:14.380 virtuous so of course he gets the free stuff by the way olivia chow is on the ballot for re-election

00:14:18.240 as mayor of toronto in october uh 26 just a week from now nobody's going to ask her about the

00:14:24.340 hazel burn nobody in the media anyways then there's a leader's debate in bc this week watch

00:14:29.620 whether anybody asks david eb for the receipt i bet they will if you're a parent in british

00:14:35.020 columbia paying 50 70 bucks a day while the premier pays 10 i'd like to hear from you what

00:14:41.600 do you think? Stay with us for more. I remember a couple of decades ago, there was this crazy

00:14:56.100 crime spree movie. I think it was Quentin Tarantino who made it. Natural Born Killers.

00:15:03.440 Holy smokes. It was ultra violent and it was psychologically disturbing. And I haven't thought

00:15:10.720 about that movie in a very long time. I don't think I liked it. It was a little too violent,

00:15:14.260 a little too crazy for me. But our next guest has written a book that suggests that horrific

00:15:20.860 fantasy of a few decades ago is reality or a form of it. The book is called, and you're going to

00:15:29.880 want to slow down when you hear this word, the book is called The Zizians, Z-I-Z-I-A-N-S,

00:15:37.460 after the nickname of sort of the cult leader. 1.00

00:15:41.360 And they are a violent transgender street gang 0.99

00:15:47.320 sort of blending Antifa and transgenderism. 1.00

00:15:51.940 An absolutely crazy story, too crazy for Hollywood, 1.00

00:15:56.320 but it's true.

00:15:58.240 And I know the author because I attended in court

00:16:01.540 in Portland, Oregon with him 1.00

00:16:02.840 when he was suing people quite similar to these Zizians 0.99

00:16:07.320 Christians crazed transgender Antifa thugs who tried to kill him. 0.96

00:16:12.720 Those of you who follow this beat know I'm talking about Andy Ngo, a global expert in 0.98

00:16:19.280 Antifa violence.

00:16:20.800 He joins us now by Zoom.

00:16:22.800 And Andy, this is just so crazy. 1.00

00:16:26.140 Even the name of this group, the Zizians, it almost feels like a made up science fiction

00:16:32.460 story.

00:16:33.540 Tell us who the Zizians are, and how did you come to write a book about them?

00:16:40.320 To back up a little bit, you and your listeners and viewers know my reporting for many years now on Antifa. 0.98

00:16:47.640 And six years ago, during the 2020 BLM, Antifa riots were deadly and lasted for months in the United States.

00:16:55.240 I was collecting the data of those who were being arrested every night.

00:16:58.560 This is very intense research where every day I was sending out these public records

00:17:03.500 requests and getting the mugshots, getting the names and cross-referencing them with

00:17:07.060 social media.

00:17:08.060 And one thing I found out was that disproportionately the Orestes were trans-identifying in some

00:17:15.140 way.

00:17:16.140 And I put that note in the back of my mind, I just thought this is kind of weird.

00:17:20.220 And unfortunately, the violence from trans extremists then affected me personally.

00:17:25.420 was able to identify people that I alleged were involved in the beatings and attempts on my life

00:17:32.220 in Portland, Oregon, half of those I ended up suing civilly in civil court are trans-identifying.

00:17:39.980 So naturally, there was this progression on reporting on Antifa to trans far-left violent

00:17:45.900 extremism. And in the last five years, Americans, and unfortunately Canadians now too, quite

00:17:53.260 understand what it's like to learn about trans mass shootings and atrocities carried out by

00:18:01.420 individuals who identify as trans in some way. I'm speaking to you where just last week a

00:18:07.900 American trans identifying individual in Washington state was federally charged for allegedly

00:18:14.380 providing material support and planning resources to the Tumblr Ridge trans mass shooter who

00:18:22.380 who slaughtered eight women and children

00:18:24.940 in British Columbia in February earlier this year.

00:18:28.460 Thanks to American authorities in the court records,

00:18:31.700 you find out the weapons that were used

00:18:35.140 were decorated with trans pride symbols.

00:18:39.140 The Canadian officials withheld that from us.

00:18:41.880 The Canadian police right after the shooting

00:18:44.180 described the deceased suspect as a, quote,

00:18:47.120 female in a dress.

00:18:48.620 That was the description that was provided.

00:18:51.320 And of course, the Canadian media has been complicit in that cover-up.

00:18:55.880 But we learned that those who were killed there were killed literally by the barrel of trans pride.

00:19:01.120 I say all this as a preface leading up to that this is the context of why I wrote this book and researched this cult. 0.65

00:19:11.060 Last year, there was a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Vermont right by the Canadian border who was ambushed and shot dead.

00:19:17.680 It was on inauguration day, so all the media attention was obviously on what was happening in D.C.

00:19:23.700 The killing of the U.S. border agent received very little media attention at that time.

00:19:28.220 I kept digging, and I found out the names, and I digged further.

00:19:31.460 Oh, the two suspects who were involved are trans.

00:19:34.680 Oh, they're connected to this other person who was arrested for a murder in California, 0.75

00:19:40.540 and that person is all gender-identifying.

00:19:43.360 And they all have these links to this cult, where the leader uses the name Ziz.

00:19:50.120 And as I kept digging, I traveled to America, I found out the hiding places where they used

00:19:54.600 to be.

00:19:55.600 I got into one of the hiding places.

00:19:58.320 And I've covered some horrific stuff in my reporting for a decade now, seen a lot of

00:20:04.020 violence, I've experienced violence, but I was really unprepared for this. 0.99

00:20:07.720 This trans cult, which included elements of rationalism and effective altruism, veganism 0.99

00:20:14.060 and AI-dumerism, also then pulled in trans ideology, leftist anarchist politics, and 0.92

00:20:20.060 they did things like human experimentation, they had their own homebrew of drugs and hormone

00:20:26.940 abuse. 0.98

00:20:27.940 And so, whilst the Zizians are an example of an extreme, relatively small group, there 0.95

00:20:35.180 around a dozen members and there are more associates they do fit into this larger pattern

00:20:40.860 of surging trans violence that americans canadians and now other people around the world are

00:20:47.560 experiencing what you've just said is so crazy and 10 years ago not a word of i mean you just

00:20:55.120 put together words that describe reality but 10 years ago no one would have known even what you're

00:21:00.140 talking about when you say trans identifying that's an interesting way to phrase it because

00:21:05.380 you're talking about the activity they they fly the flag of transgenderism that's one of the 0.76

00:21:12.220 motivating political factors they say is for these cult members for these violent cult members in

00:21:20.540 some cases murderers is transgenderism something that they have chosen to do for political reasons

00:21:27.540 as opposed to a personal or a sexual reason. 0.83

00:21:31.760 It almost seems like there's a correlation

00:21:34.020 between the political choice to identify as trans

00:21:40.240 and radical politics.

00:21:41.720 I saw this when I went to the Columbia pro-Hamas encampment.

00:21:46.040 The first thing that startled me was how transgender it was. 0.97

00:21:50.280 I just did not expect that.

00:21:52.760 I thought it would be foreign students from Muslim countries.

00:21:55.800 know it was white leftist transgender activists what's the connection which causes what if you're

00:22:04.520 on hormone therapy and are marginalized do you become a leftist or are you a leftist and you

00:22:10.780 choose to become trans help me understand the connection so for jack the soda that's the real

00:22:17.860 name of this when he moved to silicon valley a decade ago and started laying the groundwork for

00:22:24.180 what would become the recruitment process for the Zizians.

00:22:28.200 There was an experience that many of the tech bros

00:22:32.520 and people who were working through the Cullen Valley

00:22:34.360 were experiencing, which was social contagion 0.81

00:22:36.680 from trans ideology. 0.71

00:22:38.480 We've also seen this, and it's been documented,

00:22:41.320 this phenomenon represented amongst adolescent girls

00:22:45.160 primarily, but young people generally in schools

00:22:48.660 and in university settings and in political settings.

00:22:52.160 I think the reasons why somebody may identify as trans is complicated, and there are many

00:22:57.460 variables. 0.98

00:22:58.460 However, what I do see is that trans ideology does encourage a culture of wound collecting. 0.99

00:23:05.440 Every experience that you have with your family, with peers, throughout your entire life is 0.99

00:23:10.440 then reframed as instances of abuse.

00:23:14.280 relationship with institutions, the state, that is seen reframed as abusive and, in their words,

00:23:22.660 genocidal. And you can see that on the tail end of individuals who may be prone to psychotic

00:23:29.620 outbreaks, mental health comorbidities, that they have then a justification for violence. 0.88

00:23:35.920 Zizians, their members, in their own writings, they viewed everybody as abusers to them. They 0.92

00:23:42.560 view themselves as victims of the trans genocide. And so in their own decision making, and these

00:23:47.860 were really brilliant people, by the way, who came from STEM backgrounds with degrees from

00:23:53.260 top universities and institutions and affiliations with things like NASA and Google and University

00:23:59.940 of Oxford and UC Berkeley. There's also a Canadian connection. One of them studied in Canada,

00:24:04.520 University of Waterloo on a full rights scholarship, but then ended up becoming a quantum trader in 0.52

00:24:11.080 york city making half a million a year these are the zizians and for them their whole ideology 0.97

00:24:18.280 centered heavily around this idea of seeking revenge and their enemies in their eyes included 0.87

00:24:25.700 anybody that crossed their path society and humanity at large wow i didn't know that so

00:24:35.540 many of them were elite, intellectually elite, commercially successful. Like I remember when I

00:24:42.920 went to Occupy Wall Street more than a decade ago, I guess that's around 15 years ago now or so,

00:24:49.740 there was sort of an echo in Toronto called Occupy Bay Street, if I'm recalling, right? But

00:24:55.140 which was a little bit odd because we didn't have the same financial crisis in Canada that was in

00:24:58.960 the States. But I spent some time there and looking at the demographics and the psychographics of who

00:25:04.760 was there. They were the opposite of what you've described. There was no one there from NASA.

00:25:08.700 There was no one there who was a stock trader or a professor. In fact, it was sort of the weaker,

00:25:15.220 in fact, they recruited sort of homeless people, frankly. It was people who were very marginal in

00:25:20.960 society. Many of them had addictions and they were in extreme poverty. It sounds the exact

00:25:27.820 to opposite. I think that was before transgender politics had really taken off. I wonder why it is 0.84

00:25:35.580 that people who were such intellectual high achievers would choose this approach. But maybe

00:25:43.100 I'm the old-fashioned one. Maybe you look at the rise of the Revolutionary Communist Party.

00:25:48.200 You look at, I don't know, some of these doomers, as you say, in regards to AI.

00:25:53.980 What is it that flips the switch on a successful integrated member of society to go rogue, especially if they're high achievers?

00:26:02.780 Like the people I saw at Occupy Wall Street were losers, not to be mean, but they were people with marginal existence on the edge of homelessness, frankly, in many cases.

00:26:12.740 You're talking about high achievers who put their brainpower towards a murderous cult.

00:26:17.340 How? How did that happen?

00:26:20.200 So in my documentation of the far-left riots that happened in the United States, you do

00:26:25.220 see that a lot of those who are being arrested are essentially riffraff.

00:26:28.860 They're homeless people, they're young people who are essentially used just as foot soldiers

00:26:33.420 at the front of the line to throw the projectiles or to throw the explosive device or to injure

00:26:40.480 law enforcement.

00:26:41.340 But if you look deeper, and you also look historically, the violent leftist movements

00:26:48.580 that have created lasting impact and have legacies, they've been led and were made up

00:26:54.640 of members who came from educated, upper-middle-class backgrounds.

00:26:59.240 I'm thinking of the members, for example, that were in the Weather Underground.

00:27:03.280 Those white liberals decades ago ended up joining forces with Black communist revolutionaries 0.51

00:27:09.460 and carried out bombings and killings and bank robberies and jailbreaks. 0.71

00:27:14.120 Another example you can think of are how educated and well-off many jihadist terrorists who have been able to carry out mass atrocities are.

00:27:24.500 And so with the Zizians, you know, I didn't so far talk about sort of their legacy. 0.59

00:27:30.340 Currently, they are incarcerated, facing trial in several states.

00:27:35.460 trials have been delayed now for years and years and years but they are linked to at least eight

00:27:41.620 violent homicides as well as suicides so their ideology of grievance and thinking of themselves 0.98

00:27:50.180 as being this trans vanguard to be able to save the world solve the problems of the ai super 0.57

00:27:56.180 intelligence it ended up with a trail of bodies across the country and abroad that's just so

00:28:03.940 so fascinating now i remember it wasn't too long ago you were invited to the white house if i'm not

00:28:10.420 mistaken because there was an announcement by the trump administration i think it was the

00:28:14.240 department of justice to take on some of the antifa violence um in a manner of taking on the

00:28:22.380 mafia let's say or taking on a terrorist network uh what has the trump administration done

00:28:29.560 not necessarily in response to the Zizians in particular but to Antifa because Antifa feels

00:28:36.520 really like an organized paramilitary group they have a kind of uniform they obviously have command

00:28:43.480 and control they have they have weapons training they have legal training they really do feel

00:28:49.380 like a paramilitary or I mean it's hard to distinguish them from terrorists other than

00:28:54.740 And I think one of the tactics of Antifa is to remain anonymous.

00:28:59.660 How is that being tackled by the United States?

00:29:02.280 Is it?

00:29:03.280 Was the Trump promise meaningful?

00:29:06.640 So last October, I was invited to the White House roundtable on Antifa.

00:29:10.240 It was the first time in history that the federal U.S. government had done a formal

00:29:15.540 event where those who had knowledge and experience about Antifa and far less violent extremism

00:29:21.620 and was able to meet with the president

00:29:23.080 and also speak to his cabinet members.

00:29:25.800 I spoke about my experiences

00:29:27.180 and what I've learned in my writings and reporting.

00:29:30.680 The difficulty with dismantling anti-Fazer movement

00:29:34.960 is that they function in a way very similar

00:29:38.660 to how global jihadism and radical Islam works.

00:29:43.160 You can have formalized groups,

00:29:45.300 but you can have those who are just individual

00:29:47.340 and may be literally a cell of a few people

00:29:50.060 or literally by yourself, a so-called lone wolf.

00:29:53.640 And so when you have all these factors coming together,

00:29:55.920 and the way that Antifa organizes generally through these autonomous cells,

00:30:00.620 where the funding comes from one another,

00:30:04.340 comes from crowdsourcing through things like Venmo, PayPal, GoFundMe, for example,

00:30:11.520 it's difficult to break apart because of the immense legal protections

00:30:16.280 in the United States for freedom of association and freedom of speech.

00:30:20.060 And so, for example, when individuals have been held accountable, they're held accountable for the individual crimes they commit, but the organization itself that they are a part of is not broken apart.

00:30:31.800 With that being said, the U.S. federal government under this administration has done some amazing things, some first-time things.

00:30:39.480 For example, in Texas, when nine were convicted at trial and seven others who took plea deals, so 16 members of the North Texas Antifa style were convicted, they were convicted of providing material support for terrorism.

00:30:54.160 And this was the first time that any Antifa members were actually convicted of terrorism crimes in U.S. history.

00:31:02.860 Previously, as I said, when Antifa members were convicted, either at the state or federal level,

00:31:09.040 they would be convicted of, you know, things like disorderly conduct or felony rioting,

00:31:14.100 but it would not be actually prosecuted for supporting terrorism.

00:31:20.340 But the prosecutors in Texas at the federal level were able to prove it and get every single person convicted.

00:31:27.860 There are also state charges that are ongoing against those individuals in Texas by local Texas prosecutors and their versions of anti-terrorism legislation.

00:31:40.040 Also this year, there were 15 individuals in the state of Minnesota who have been federally charged and are accused of being part of an Antifa network that provided the coordination and planning for the attacks on the federal ICE agents

00:31:55.820 when they were carrying out lawful immigration duties in Minnesota.

00:32:00.820 So there are steps taken at the State Department.

00:32:04.080 Marco Rubio and those around him have proscribed a number of international Antifa groups.

00:32:11.860 Obviously, there can be more that can be done.

00:32:16.280 Domestically, it is very difficult, not impossible, as this administration is showing, however.

00:32:23.080 Well, it's incredible to hear.

00:32:24.880 I don't know if you follow the case of our very brave reporter, Alexa Lavoie, who discovered an Antifa activist working for the Canadian Armed Forces at a military base with security clearance in Montreal.

00:32:38.620 And he was caught on film throwing incendiary devices in a church, in a packed church, as a protest against a Christian pastor.

00:32:47.700 So I think Canada actively protects Antifa thugs.

00:32:53.820 I think they're the street gangs of the establishment.

00:32:57.220 They're the street enforcers of the globalist leftist point of view of the establishment.

00:33:02.720 But that's a story for another day.

00:33:04.500 Andy, no, it's great to catch up with you. 0.87

00:33:05.960 The book is called The Zizians, named after Ziz, inside a trans death cult.

00:33:13.480 So interesting. 0.99

00:33:14.520 And as Andy said, it touches Canada too.

00:33:17.660 the crazy case of Tumblr Ridge

00:33:20.000 where police actually said

00:33:22.220 beware of a female

00:33:24.100 in a dress 1.00

00:33:25.440 giving the exact opposite of the truth

00:33:27.960 turning the warning into

00:33:29.580 a trap I think 1.00

00:33:31.060 you can buy the Zizians at Amazon 1.00

00:33:33.980 Andy great to see you

00:33:35.080 keep up the fight and stay safe my friend

00:33:36.760 thank you for having me on

00:33:38.420 alright there he is Andy Ngo

00:33:39.760 very brave man who has been the leader

00:33:42.440 in journalism on this file

00:33:44.260 stay with us, more ahead

00:33:47.660 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. It's all about the free speech battles at University of

00:33:59.880 Calgary. Lapboard 340 says, if your sign says not up for debate, then what are you doing there?

00:34:06.820 You're referring to one of the signs at the indigenous rally at University of Calgary,

00:34:10.940 saying not up for a debate. And that's a great point. Universities, pretty much everything is 1.00

00:34:15.880 up for a debate. You're allowed to challenge things. You're allowed to disagree and to be a

00:34:20.900 skeptic. In fact, that's part of critical thinking. I think it was Richard Feynman,

00:34:24.720 the Nobel Prize winner in physics, if I'm not mistaken, he said that science is the belief

00:34:31.120 in the fallibility of the experts. Just think about that for a second. Science, true science,

00:34:37.220 means you do not trust so-called experts. You realize that they are fallible, that they can

00:34:43.600 make mistakes i thought that was a beautiful way of saying it and um yeah you're allowed to

00:34:48.340 question things you're even allowed to question the theory of gravity um yeah i mean you could

00:34:53.260 look ridiculous doing it and you could be criticized for it but yeah you have the right

00:34:56.360 to challenge anything love to travel says the fact that guy was not charged throwing water on 0.96

00:35:02.240 an elderly man is astonishing it just gives a message that you can do this to anyone and walk

00:35:06.880 away without any issues i'm not referring to this event only either i mean any event unbelievable 0.97

00:35:11.760 Yeah, that was so gross. And the fact that the Calgary Police Service declined to prosecute.

00:35:17.160 Let me ask you, if you went up to the chief of police in Calgary and poured water on his head,

00:35:22.000 do you think that you would be let go? You'd probably be roughed up physically,

00:35:26.180 beaten up a bit, and then charged with the salt. Yeah, but I guess politics depends,

00:35:32.180 based on your politics depends what you'll get. Goom5504 says, Ezra, I remember passing you in

00:35:38.280 Mac Hall fairly frequently. You were a force even then. I remember when I was a student at the

00:35:43.260 University of Calgary and Mac Hall was the name of the student union building. And there was a

00:35:47.020 little area there called Speaker's Corner. And we would hop up on a table and just start hollering

00:35:51.380 and people would stop by and listen and heckle. And it was really fun. And that was before the

00:35:57.340 age of the internet. So that was before cell phones. And I don't know, I think maybe in some

00:36:02.520 ways cell phones have chilled some speech because people are worried that if they say something

00:36:07.600 politically incorrect it'll come back to haunt them i don't think i said anything too rambunctious

00:36:11.720 but it was a lot of fun those days i'm afraid are gone but this free speech club is trying to get

00:36:17.280 them back well that's our show for the day until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at rebel

00:36:22.700 world headquarters to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom

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