Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $41B — is that enough for the company to give up woke censorship？

00:00:00.140 Hello, my Rebels. I do a bit of a deep dive into the offer by Elon Musk to buy Twitter for $41 billion.

00:00:06.900 And already there's the first big investor, a Saudi prince, who says,

00:00:11.120 No! Not that Saudi princes don't like getting rich, but I think they value censorship more than they value money. 0.99

00:00:17.520 I'll take you through it.

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00:00:57.440 Tonight, Elon Musk offers to buy Twitter for $41 billion in cash.

00:01:06.160 Is that enough to make the company give up its woke censorship?

00:01:10.040 It's April 14th.

00:01:11.460 This is the Ezra Band Show.

00:01:12.720 Look at this letter.

00:01:35.740 This is a great letter.

00:01:37.320 It's a letter sent from Elon Musk, the world's richest man, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX and other ventures.

00:01:44.960 It's a letter from him to the chairman of the board of Twitter, the social media company.

00:01:51.180 This was filed with the SEC, the United States Securities and Exchange Commission.

00:01:56.700 I'll read it in full.

00:01:58.040 It's just so great.

00:01:59.760 By the way, Elon Musk himself tweeted it out this morning on Twitter, of course.

00:02:03.620 He just said, I made an offer, and then he linked to the page.

00:02:08.300 Here's the SEC disclosure page that Musk tweeted.

00:02:11.460 I'm going to skip over the first part, which is just sort of boilerplate language.

00:02:15.400 Here's the fun part, a copy of a letter, a text, and notes from a phone call from Musk to, I assume, the chairman of the board.

00:02:24.540 It's pretty short, so I'm going to read it all to you.

00:02:29.040 Brett Taylor, chairman of the board.

00:02:30.900 I invested in Twitter as I believe in its potential to be the platform for free speech around the globe.

00:02:38.560 And I believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy.

00:02:43.600 However, since making my investment, I now realize the company will neither thrive nor serve this societal imperative in its current form.

00:02:53.580 Twitter needs to be transformed as a private company.

00:02:56.520 As a result, I'm offering to buy 100% of Twitter for $54.20 per share in cash, a 54% premium over the day before I began investing in Twitter,

00:03:08.060 and a 38% premium over the day before my investment was publicly announced.

00:03:14.080 My offer is my best and final offer, and if it is not accepted, I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder.

00:03:22.980 Twitter has extraordinary potential.

00:03:26.000 I will unlock it.

00:03:27.580 Signed, Elon Musk.

00:03:30.300 That's a heck of a letter.

00:03:31.920 First of all, he's going to make them all rich, all the other shareholders.

00:03:36.500 Twitter's stock price has been languishing for more than a year.

00:03:41.520 I mean, just check out this graph.

00:03:43.780 It's fallen in half over the past year.

00:03:45.860 It wasn't until Elon Musk bought his stake a few weeks back that it started to perk up again.

00:03:51.820 As you can see, he's offering the other shareholders a big premium for them to get out of the way.

00:03:57.380 And if they don't, he says he'll sell his stake that he has.

00:04:01.800 What do you think dumping $3 billion worth of Twitter stock on the open market would do to the price?

00:04:08.000 He's basically saying, take my $41 billion for this company that wasn't even worth $30 billion last month, or don't, and I'll sell, and that'll surely strip $10 billion from your value right now.

00:04:22.980 Elon Musk obviously cares about making money.

00:04:25.920 You don't accidentally end up as the world's richest man if you're indifferent to money.

00:04:31.560 But he claims, and I think there is some basis to believe him, that he truly cares about free speech, too.

00:04:39.080 I think he does.

00:04:40.500 He's offering the current shareholders a high financial rate of return, and not that they'd care too much if they sold their stock.

00:04:47.200 But if they ever did believe in freedom of speech, maybe they'd feel like the company was in safe hands and that they had some sort of moral rate of return, too.

00:04:55.760 So how can you say no to that offer?

00:04:57.640 There's no lineup of people willing to buy Twitter at such a premium price, not in the one big bite like this, and not even in a million little bites.

00:05:08.660 That's what the stock market says, at least.

00:05:11.380 If the company says no to Elon Musk, I don't think it would be for financial reasons.

00:05:15.500 I think it would be for the other part.

00:05:17.920 Not only do they not actually believe in free speech, as he says, but they believe in the opposite.

00:05:22.460 That they would give up billions of dollars in profit in return for the continued ability to censor everyone on Twitter.

00:05:28.660 I think he's putting them to the test.

00:05:30.700 How could you reject a 54% premium on a product that is in slow decline?

00:05:36.540 Answer, if your investment is actually to mind control the national and international political discussion.

00:05:43.600 That's why.

00:05:44.060 If the censorship is actually the purpose and the point of Twitter, that's why you wouldn't do it.

00:05:50.300 And I think it just might be the point.

00:05:51.680 You know, Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter, occasionally claimed to value free speech.

00:05:56.740 And he has some regrets, he says, that he has limited freedom.

00:06:00.920 He says the days of Usenet, IRC, the web, even email, pretty good privacy, was amazing.

00:06:08.260 Centralizing discovery and identity into corporations really damaged the Internet.

00:06:11.460 I realize I'm partially to blame and I regret it.

00:06:14.860 I bet Jack Dorsey supports Elon Musk's move.

00:06:17.040 You know, just a weird little vignette.

00:06:18.820 This morning I tweeted out Elon Musk's letter to the board, this SEC thing I'm showing you now.

00:06:24.900 And who liked my tweet other than Tim Dorsey, Jack Dorsey's dad.

00:06:29.900 I had no idea he was reading my tweets.

00:06:33.440 Why would the founder's dad be liking Elon Musk's offer if he didn't support it?

00:06:38.340 Maybe Musk is getting the old band back together again, free speech-wise.

00:06:42.600 I'll keep reading Elon Musk's letter because I really like this next part.

00:06:46.200 So apparently this is a text message and notes for a phone call.

00:06:50.720 Let me read.

00:06:52.100 Script sent by a text.

00:06:53.640 As I indicated this weekend, I believe that the company should be private to go through the changes that need to be made.

00:07:00.900 After the past several days of thinking this over, I have decided I want to acquire the company and take it private.

00:07:07.240 I'm going to send you an offer letter tonight.

00:07:09.720 It will be public in the morning.

00:07:12.460 Are you available to chat?

00:07:14.020 And then it's something that says voice script.

00:07:15.500 So I'm guessing these were points he spoke from.

00:07:17.580 He said, best and final, I am not playing the back and forth game.

00:07:20.460 I have moved straight to the end.

00:07:22.900 It's a high price and your shareholders will love it.

00:07:25.880 If the deal doesn't work, given that I don't have confidence in management, nor do I believe I can drive the necessary change in the public market,

00:07:32.940 I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder.

00:07:36.200 This is not a threat.

00:07:37.060 It's simply not a good investment without the changes that need to be made.

00:07:40.760 And those changes won't happen without taking the company private.

00:07:43.420 My advisors and my team are available after you get the letter to answer any questions.

00:07:50.400 There will be more detail in our public filings.

00:07:53.420 After you receive the letter and review the public filings, your team can call my family office with any questions.

00:08:00.240 And the most powerful part of that is obviously this line.

00:08:03.340 I don't have confidence in management.

00:08:05.760 Of course he doesn't.

00:08:07.860 Not from a financial point of view.

00:08:09.240 I mean, the company has lost half its value in the past year, but I think the free speech part is actually the deal breaker.

00:08:15.960 The new CEO of Twitter, Parag Agarwal is his name.

00:08:19.060 He's been putting on a brave face about Elon Musk the past few weeks, but I don't buy it.

00:08:23.520 Here's what he said the other day.

00:08:24.680 I'm excited to share that we're appointing Elon Musk to our board!

00:08:28.240 Exclamation point.

00:08:28.900 Though, through conversations with Elon in recent weeks, it became clear to us that he would bring great value to our board.

00:08:34.800 Yeah, sure.

00:08:35.380 He's both a passionate believer and intense critic of the service, which is exactly what we need on Twitter and in the boardroom.

00:08:42.800 Make us stronger in the long term.

00:08:44.620 Welcome Elon!

00:08:45.460 Exclamation point.

00:08:47.240 Yeah, it felt pretty forced, didn't it?

00:08:49.380 That was just a few days ago.

00:08:51.360 It obviously didn't go that well.

00:08:54.000 I mentioned this the other day, but last November, I actually looked more closely into Parag Agarwal's comments about free speech.

00:09:01.960 Here's the short version.

00:09:02.980 He doesn't really care about free speech.

00:09:05.600 Here's the longer version.

00:09:06.620 I'm just going to show you what I said back in November of last year.

00:09:10.480 Here's what I said back then.

00:09:12.020 You're caught in a bit of a hard place, as somebody in the audience is also pointing out.

00:09:16.600 You're trying to combat misinformation.

00:09:19.140 You also want to protect free speech as a core value, and also in the U.S. as the First Amendment.

00:09:23.680 How do you balance those two?

00:09:26.900 And here's what he said.

00:09:27.900 He said, our role is not to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation, and our moves are reflective of things as we believe lead to a healthier public conversation.

00:09:39.140 Okay, so he gets to judge whether a conversation is healthy.

00:09:44.580 He's the judge, right?

00:09:47.040 The kind of things that we do about this is focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed.

00:09:54.420 Focusing less on free speech, as in, they're thinking too much about freedom right now?

00:10:00.580 He seriously said that.

00:10:02.900 One of the changes today that we see is speech is easy on the Internet.

00:10:09.060 Most people can speak.

00:10:10.180 Where our role is particularly emphasized is who can be heard.

00:10:13.640 The scarce commodity today is attention.

00:10:15.840 There's a lot of content out there, a lot of tweets out there.

00:10:18.500 Not all of it gets attention.

00:10:20.360 Some subset of it gets attention.

00:10:21.920 And so increasingly, our role is moving towards how we recommend content, and that sort of is a struggle that we're working through in terms of how we make sure these recommendation systems that we're building, how we direct people's attention, is leading to a healthy public conversation that is most participatory.

00:10:42.100 So he's saying right there some about freedom.

00:10:44.120 His role is to boost his friends and suppress his foes to make sure the right people are participating in the conversation.

00:10:50.740 That's exactly what he means.

00:10:52.760 But shadow banning his opponents, that's making his friends go viral.

00:10:56.900 Sometimes it's brutal to watch, like how they banned New York Post and the Hunter Biden laptop.

00:11:01.660 Most of it, though, is quite subtle, like what shows up in your Twitter feed and what doesn't, like what is hidden, what you think you've published to the world, but literally no one else saw it but you.

00:11:13.000 I think that's the battle here.

00:11:15.880 There really can't be a debate about the financial value of the company.

00:11:20.500 It ain't worth $41 billion.

00:11:23.060 Hasn't been in a year.

00:11:24.900 Elon Musk wants to buy it for free speech reasons.

00:11:28.000 That's exactly the opposite of what the company is about today.

00:11:31.660 Look at this tweet from Zero Hedge, a slightly dissident financial and political website.

00:11:36.780 They say, well, this is awkward.

00:11:40.240 Twitter board hired Goldman to advise it, that the Elon Musk $54.20 offer is too low.

00:11:45.860 Only problem, Goldman has a sell rating with a $30 price target.

00:11:50.440 Oops.

00:11:51.340 Yeah, Goldman Sachs will say anything you pay them to say. 0.99

00:11:54.460 But when it comes to their own money, they think Twitter is a loser.

00:11:58.240 It's barely worth half of what Elon Musk does.

00:12:01.240 I'm excited.

00:12:02.380 Look, I'm excited that the one free speech oligarch is richer and smarter and faster and funnier than the censorship oligarchs, even though they outnumber him by far.

00:12:15.980 I see that the Saudi prince, Talal, says he doesn't want to take Elon Musk's offer.

00:12:21.380 He's one of the owners.

00:12:22.380 Well, gee whiz, a Saudi prince who's not for free speech.

00:12:24.960 I'm sure.

00:12:26.740 I don't know if this deal is going to proceed.

00:12:28.540 I'm not sure.

00:12:29.200 I just don't know enough about oligarchs.

00:12:31.460 I think many people need Twitter to be a censorship machine.

00:12:35.380 You know, $41 billion is a lot of dough, but there are companies with more money.

00:12:39.020 I just checked, for example, the market capitalization for Pfizer is $300 billion.

00:12:45.940 Pfizer needs Twitter to be a censorship machine.

00:12:49.860 They need Twitter to muzzle any skeptics of their vaccines.

00:12:54.440 The Democrats need it for the same reason.

00:12:56.460 Transgender activists need it.

00:12:59.220 Global warming extremists need it. 0.66

00:13:00.760 I say again, the value of Twitter to the establishment is not that it's a free speech platform.

00:13:06.840 It's the opposite.

00:13:08.200 It's that it pretends to be a free speech platform, but it will censor you if you're not left-wing.

00:13:14.180 So they get to operate it, silencing their enemies and boosting their friends.

00:13:21.780 Elon Musk says he would end that.

00:13:25.160 I think they're going to try and stop him.

00:13:26.820 I'm reminded of this picture of the Obama White House staff when they were about to be moved out and replaced by Trump staff.

00:13:35.880 Look at how sullen, look at those faces.

00:13:38.240 Now, they're back, of course, with Joe Biden.

00:13:40.740 That's Jen Psaki right there in the middle. 1.00

00:13:43.620 Those sullen faces.

00:13:45.240 That's what the Twitter staff looks like right now.

00:13:47.240 There are, these are the kinds of people who need Twitter to be a censorship machine.

00:13:51.960 That's why they joined it.

00:13:52.840 So who's going to win this big battle?

00:13:56.440 I don't know.

00:13:57.520 I don't know.

00:13:58.500 I'm excited about it.

00:13:59.700 Aren't you?

00:14:01.060 Stay with us.

00:14:13.300 Oh, come on through.

00:14:15.000 Come on through.

00:14:16.420 What is happening here?

00:14:18.280 Wow.

00:14:18.760 What is this lady doing? 1.00

00:14:20.560 Travelling.

00:14:21.480 Travelling horses.

00:14:22.840 Travelling.

00:14:23.760 Stop it.

00:14:24.700 Stop it.

00:14:25.600 What?

00:14:26.380 Oh, my God.

00:14:28.540 Oh, my God. 0.64

00:14:29.440 What the hell is that? 1.00

00:14:29.460 Shut the fuck down. 1.00

00:14:31.140 They just trampled this lady. 1.00

00:14:33.220 They just trampled that lady. 1.00

00:14:36.340 They just fully trampled that lady. 1.00

00:14:39.240 They just fully trampled that lady. 1.00

00:14:42.800 Oh, my God.

00:14:44.480 Here's the lady. 1.00

00:14:45.900 Here's the lady that was trampled. 1.00

00:14:47.400 What the fuck? 1.00

00:14:49.880 Yeah, the lady. 1.00

00:14:52.820 The lady got fully trampled and a horse. 1.00

00:14:54.120 What are you doing? 1.00

00:14:57.100 What the fuck is up with you? 1.00

00:14:59.100 It's not touched by a horse. 1.00

00:15:00.240 That shocking scene was not in Vladimir Putin's Moscow.

00:15:04.480 That was not in Nicholas Maduro's Caracas.

00:15:08.460 That was in Canada as riot police rode a horse over peaceful trucker protesters.

00:15:18.120 Peaceful protesters.

00:15:19.480 It was a military-style scene.

00:15:22.720 It was very un-Canadian. 0.98

00:15:24.760 Trudeau put the country under a form of martial law.

00:15:27.860 As you know, our dear reporter, Alexa Lavoie, was actually shot at point-blank range by a cop.

00:15:35.200 Remember this?

00:15:35.800 Oh, guys, turn your back.

00:15:38.960 They look like they're going to move.

00:15:41.080 You're not going to deny me the right.

00:15:42.940 You're looking at him.

00:15:44.260 Watch out.

00:15:45.100 Watch out.

00:15:45.820 Watch out.

00:15:46.560 Watch out.

00:15:48.140 What are you doing?

00:15:49.260 What are you doing?

00:15:49.860 What are you doing?

00:15:50.720 What are you doing?

00:15:51.620 What are you doing?

00:15:52.580 Hold him.

00:15:53.080 Hold him.

00:15:53.580 Stop him.

00:15:54.220 Stop him.

00:15:54.880 Stop him.

00:15:55.580 Keep him.

00:15:56.880 Keep him.

00:15:57.260 You just tried and broke it.

00:16:05.480 You just tried and broke it.

00:16:06.720 Oh! 0.60

00:16:09.600 Oh! 0.60

00:16:10.600 Oh, no!

00:16:12.000 Oh! 0.60

00:16:13.400 Oh! 0.60

00:16:15.180 There you go.

00:16:16.100 You all right?

00:16:16.920 Got shot.

00:16:19.920 Take care.

00:16:20.580 Bring her out. 1.00

00:16:21.180 Bring her out. 1.00

00:16:21.700 Come on.

00:16:24.700 Atrocious.

00:16:25.020 And I want to let you know, in the case of Alexa, and by the way, I don't think I've reported to you yet, we have sued the Ottawa police and the RCMP.

00:16:31.880 It was an RCMP officer who shot her.

00:16:34.700 He was under the command of the Ottawa police, and we're suing both of them on her behalf.

00:16:38.400 I want to let you know that that weapon is not meant to be shot at people.

00:16:42.760 It's like a tear gas canister, and it is not properly used by shooting a person, let alone at point-blank range.

00:16:50.300 And there is no excuse of an officer panicking in a moment.

00:16:54.200 Like I say, peaceful protest, and Alexa was standing there, both hands on her camera filming, for the cop to shoot her at point-blank range isn't just some mistake.

00:17:09.100 I put it to you, it's a crime.

00:17:11.380 I put it to you, it's a crime.

00:17:12.680 Well, so many of the things we've learned about these peaceful protests have vindicated the protesters and proven that the mainstream media and the politicians were the liars, the disseminators of fake news.

00:17:28.760 So many atrocious things that we have to unpack still from that time.

00:17:31.900 That horse I showed you that was stomping on people, I want to show you chit-chat from the RCMP horse team.

00:17:46.820 They usually just do the ceremonial rides.

00:17:49.220 But as you remember, and we did this story a month and a half ago, they were staying at the luxury Chateau Laurier, and a bunch of these cops were on a WhatsApp chat group.

00:17:59.480 You know what WhatsApp is, it's like a messaging group.

00:18:02.460 And they were laughing and cheering and saying this is exactly what they wanted to do more.

00:18:08.940 Remember these WhatsApp images that were leaked?

00:18:12.300 Someone, a good cop in that chat group, was so appalled that they leaked these internal communications, not a single officer has been suspended.

00:18:24.240 Well, now, Cosman Georgia, a reporter at our friend's place, the True North News, has an access information document showing just how luxuriously those cops were staying at the fanciest hotel in Ottawa, the Chateau Laurier.

00:18:42.040 Cosman Georgia joins us now by a Skype Cosman.

00:18:45.040 Great scoop.

00:18:46.480 I don't begrudge police staying in a comfortable hotel.

00:18:49.700 I think these police were just there for shock and awe and political intimidation, so I don't want to give them one ounce more credit than they deserve.

00:18:58.900 They were brutal bullies. 0.91

00:19:00.240 They shot our friend Alexa. 0.98

00:19:01.740 They stomped on people with a horse.

00:19:03.820 They followed outrageous orders that if we saw it being done in an authoritarian regime, we would call out.

00:19:09.420 But really, staying at a five-star luxury Fairmont Inn, the kind of place where, you know, you're spending $500 a night if you're a mere moral estate, what were the cops doing stationed at the five-star luxury hotel?

00:19:25.600 You're exactly right, Ezra.

00:19:27.440 This is the Fairmont Chateau Laurier.

00:19:29.500 And if you've ever been there, it's the, you know, height of luxury of hotel stays in Ottawa.

00:19:35.000 Why didn't they stay at a Best Western or, alternatively, somewhere else?

00:19:40.960 In reality, they weren't actually even sleeping there.

00:19:43.920 They used the Fairmont as a buffet.

00:19:47.220 So they were paying up to $12,000 a night just for dinner, not to mention breakfast and lunch buffets.

00:19:55.860 So it's quite interesting, the choice that they used.

00:20:00.880 And if you remember from reports, the Fairmont actually served as the sort of base of operations for the police response to the convoy.

00:20:10.100 This is where they began to quarter off downtown Ottawa, moving and inching outwards from the Fairmont, pushing and quarreling protesters until they could eventually arrest them.

00:20:24.440 All right, so you're correcting me.

00:20:26.560 The cops weren't staying there.

00:20:28.380 They were just using it as a base, and they were eating their five-figure brills for the buffet.

00:20:34.780 So they weren't sleeping there, but they basically turned it into a command post.

00:20:38.080 Is that what you're saying?

00:20:39.500 Exactly.

00:20:40.160 This is a quarter million dollars just for buffet event services.

00:20:44.720 So I'm assuming they had caterers come in with all the necessary plates, dining instruments, the food, three times a day so that these RCMP officers could live large while they were cracking skulls the rest of the time.

00:21:02.720 So they didn't stay there, as you said.

00:21:06.620 That means that likely the bill of the RCMP's presence in Ottawa is much larger than just a quarter million dollars.

00:21:15.000 I would estimate it's probably well into the millions just to keep the officers there overnight.

00:21:21.340 Well, it sounds like that was just the bill for the meals for some of them.

00:21:25.160 And by the way, I happen to know it was much more than just the RCMP.

00:21:28.680 I personally encountered police from a variety of police forces.

00:21:32.260 The Toronto Police Force was out in numbers there in Ottawa.

00:21:36.860 Durham Regional Police.

00:21:39.040 I'm trying to think of the others I personally met.

00:21:41.020 So they were police from all across Ontario, plus I know that they were police from across the country.

00:21:46.960 Some of these mounted police ceremonial horse brigade came in from as far away as B.C.

00:21:52.520 So this was a multi-multi-million dollar shock and awe effort for a completely peaceful protest.

00:22:00.060 There was not a single firearm seized, despite the lying front-page story in the Toronto Star to the contrary.

00:22:06.320 There was not a single act of violence perpetrated or threatened by the truckers.

00:22:10.840 Again, this is all according to the Ottawa police, despite the lies in the media.

00:22:14.820 And one of the most atrocious lies, completely bought and repeated by the legacy media and magnified by liberals, including Trudeau himself,

00:22:24.920 was that there was some act of arson committed by a trucker.

00:22:29.260 It was suspect from the word go.

00:22:32.100 Tell us a little bit about that.

00:22:33.640 I think we covered that with Rupa Subramanian the other day, but I know you've got some thoughts on that.

00:22:38.160 It was a hoax, wasn't it?

00:22:39.300 There was an arson charge.

00:22:41.340 It absolutely had nothing to do with the truckers, but literally every important official in Ottawa said it did.

00:22:48.280 Yes, absolutely.

00:22:50.020 The government, including the Liberals, NDP, the mayor of Ottawa, jumped the gun with the arson and used this event.

00:22:59.600 It was a suspected, no suspects had been caught or identified yet,

00:23:04.440 to accuse the peaceful demonstrators of attempting to burn people alive in a residential building.

00:23:13.060 I mean, the event itself is truly horrific.

00:23:16.680 Thankfully, it was avoided.

00:23:18.160 But the fact that the government knowingly relied on an unverified, with no suspects report to spread lies purposefully about this convoy.

00:23:32.440 And it just points to the fact of how all of these claims that went into justifying Justin Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act are crumbling,

00:23:43.200 including the arson, the presence of weapons, not to mention the claims about foreign funding.

00:23:48.700 It's all falling apart, and it's on the record.

00:23:51.000 You know, I put out a video on Twitter of every single time Liberal and NDP MPs made the claim that this arson was somehow linked to the protest.

00:24:03.000 It was Jagmeet Singh who was the first to do this, and he said it was an example of all of the violent acts that are being perpetrated in Ottawa.

00:24:11.680 So it's astounding.

00:24:12.720 And we've seen this become a pattern with the Liberal government, especially because, if you recall, back in 2018, Trudeau did the same thing.

00:24:22.440 He jumped the gun with the hijab hoax story to gain political points.

00:24:27.320 And when the Asian community at the time, because the claim was by a Muslim, young Muslim girl, that some Asian man had come up to her to cut up her hijab,

00:24:38.080 the Asian community in Toronto began to demand an apology, and Trudeau just went silent.

00:24:44.400 It's the same thing now.

00:24:45.480 Politicians are refusing to apologize for spreading a hoax.

00:24:49.200 And these are the people who like to lecture us about disinformation and misinformation. 0.85

00:24:54.600 So it's pure hypocrisy.

00:24:57.200 Here, here's a clip of that video montage.

00:24:59.960 Take a look.

00:25:01.600 Violence is commonplace.

00:25:03.480 We saw an example of this violence, an attempted arson downtown of an apartment building, where people started a fire.

00:25:14.520 When they exited, they taped the door.

00:25:22.780 Hey, welcome back.

00:25:25.080 Look, I know that Twitter is not real life.

00:25:27.400 Of course not.

00:25:27.920 I mean, Twitter doesn't make food for your table, doesn't pump oil that's turned into gas for your car.

00:25:32.800 Twitter doesn't build homes or get you housing.

00:25:37.880 Twitter isn't real.

00:25:38.880 It's a place.

00:25:40.440 It's a digital public square.

00:25:42.840 But actually, a public square is one of the most important things.

00:25:46.740 And if you control the public square and kick out people you don't like, like Donald Trump, and silence others who have ideas you don't like,

00:25:54.100 like critical of a residential building in the occupation area,

00:25:57.680 owning that public square really impacts everyone and everything else because you can't discuss, you're silenced, you're conditioned to say what the establishment says you can say.

00:26:09.480 So that little piece of digital real estate is actually, you know, $41 billion, not so much as an advertising mechanism, although it may be right.

00:26:22.480 $41 billion to censor the world.

00:26:24.480 The arrests for conspiracy to murder, attempted arson of a residential building.

00:26:29.440 That's our show for today.

00:26:30.660 We have a very special show tomorrow.

00:26:33.040 A feature-length interview with the most dangerous Rebel alumni, Allen McKinnis.

00:26:37.160 That'll be tomorrow.

00:26:38.940 I'll be back on Monday, so we'll have a special show tomorrow.

00:26:43.480 And then we'll repair with our regular program.

00:26:45.900 So that if a fire started, people would be burned alive.

00:26:50.860 Good night.

00:26:52.020 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:26:52.960 Happy Easter.

00:26:53.840 Happy Passover.

00:26:54.800 Have a great weekend.

00:26:56.340 We'll see you soon.

00:26:57.440 David Menzies for Rebel News here in Halton Hills, Ontario.

00:27:01.320 And you know what, folks, in the greater Toronto area today, gas is about $1.79 a litre as it inches ever upward to that $2 a litre barrier.

00:27:12.460 But when it comes to my guest, Roger Gordon, he really doesn't care about the price of the pump because his Ford F-350, it doesn't run on gasoline or diesel.

00:27:25.040 It runs on ammonia, and that means Roger is paying about $0.25 a litre.

00:27:32.200 Wow.

00:27:33.200 Let's delve into what Roger is doing right now with his truck to get these incredible fuel savings.

00:27:41.100 Roger, as I said, this is your Ford F-350.

00:27:44.760 It's a 2001 model.

00:27:46.320 And unlike other Ford pickup trucks that would run on gasoline or diesel, yours runs on ammonia.

00:27:55.920 Tell us, what gave you the inspiration to go the ammonia route?

00:28:00.740 We were creating ammonia and using it for the pharmaceutical business.

00:28:04.340 And in 2010, we applied for a patent for a machine.

00:28:09.140 In the following years, we've tried to find somebody to partner up with us that's bigger than us.

00:28:14.680 A billionaire from Canada came.

00:28:16.560 He was going to partner up with us.

00:28:18.320 He tries to contact Trudeau.

00:28:20.260 Trudeau won't reply to him.

00:28:21.720 Before Trudeau became prime minister, he sent emails to us praising Green NH3.

00:28:27.840 After he became prime minister, he wouldn't praise us anymore.

00:28:31.260 He wouldn't reply to us.

00:28:32.080 One of the reasons we're paying such a high price at the pump are taxes and especially the new carbon taxes.

00:28:39.420 The Justin Trudeau Liberals are all about the war on climate change, you know, reducing our carbon footprints.

00:28:47.200 As you told me off camera, what's coming out of your tailpipe with ammonia is zero pollution.

00:28:54.300 Is that correct?

00:28:55.200 Yes.

00:28:55.660 All this comes from using ammonia.

00:28:59.160 The tailpipe is nitrogen and water.

00:29:01.380 So you would think that the Trudeau Liberals, if they're looking at alternative fuel sources, they would maybe be pro-monia.

00:29:09.200 I think it doesn't suit their bosses.

00:29:11.580 We've all heard about the World Economic Forum.

00:29:13.780 And let's talk about people that have way more money than me.

00:29:16.240 This billionaire, he says, well, he says, Roger, what if I get in and start building machines with you and we spend a couple of hundred million or whatever?

00:29:23.200 We find out that Trudeau and his Kissinger crew, they want to be, they don't want it to be anymore.

00:29:29.600 He said, they can pull your insurance, they can pull your bank account.

00:29:32.840 So he says, why would I want to get in bed with you?

00:29:35.780 Maybe Trudeau will find a way to stop my billions of dollars from happening.

00:29:39.760 If I were to buy a vehicle today and hire someone to convert it over to ammonia,

00:29:44.820 what are we talking about in terms of the price of the conversion and what I would have to invest in in terms of the ammonia-making device?

00:29:53.580 Convert the vehicle is very simple.

00:29:55.300 It's very similar to a propane conversion.

00:29:57.760 I'm going to say less than $1,000 would convert a vehicle.

00:30:00.680 And you showed us the machine.

00:30:02.320 You didn't want it filmed because you're still in the process of getting a patent for it.

00:30:06.620 So I can understand that.

00:30:07.960 But I would imagine, regardless of what the cost is, how many thousands it would be for that machine,

00:30:12.680 prorated over the life of the vehicle, what you're going to recover in terms of fuel savings will more than make up for that investment.

00:30:21.880 It's $0.25 a litre.

00:30:23.160 So however many litres you're using, the ammonia will cost you.

00:30:26.860 The ammonia doesn't take you quite as far on a litre as a litre of gasoline.

00:30:31.120 But the price at $0.25, instead of spending $200 or $300 a week for fuel, you're spending probably one-eighth of that.

00:30:37.960 What does ammonia do for, say, the horsepower and torque values of your vehicle?

00:30:45.060 Ammonia is around 85% of what gasoline is per litre.

00:30:48.840 If you're going up a hill and you switch back and forth from ammonia to gasoline, you don't feel any difference.

00:30:54.660 And of course, anyone going the ammonia route, you're not looking for a performance vehicle.

00:30:59.020 You're looking to get a great savings on your fuel costs.

00:31:02.460 By the way, ammonia holds the world speed record as we stand today.

00:31:05.240 It's not lazy or by any means.

00:31:07.920 Roger, I think the big picture question is this.

00:31:10.340 If I had the wherewithal to convert my vehicle to ammonia, when will there be a day when I can go to a PetroCanada, a Shell, an Esso, and fill up with ammonia as opposed to gasoline or diesel?

00:31:24.020 Okay, so we contacted Trudeau, Freeland, McKenna, Baines, Mark Carney.

00:31:29.500 And we noticed on this list of all the people we contacted, the ones that belong to WEF wouldn't come back to us.

00:31:37.140 Yet, if we contact somebody that has no power, they're right there already.

00:31:41.560 They want to talk to us.

00:31:42.860 But somebody with the power, they don't want to talk to us.

00:31:45.180 So, I guess, is it a matter of the large fuel companies, the extraction companies are committed to, you know, fossil fuels, and for whatever reason, they don't see this as a money-making alternative? 1.00

00:31:59.740 Our theory, I've got consultants, they say, are you so stupid, Roger? 0.99

00:32:02.900 Do you not realize what's going on here? 1.00

00:32:04.460 These WEF people need to keep the oil flowing in order to keep the money rolling in, in order to keep their projects going.

00:32:14.400 I know some of the major automakers, Hyundai and Toyota, they're investing hundreds of millions into researching hydrogen as a fuel alternative.

00:32:26.260 I never see ammonia mentioned.

00:32:28.900 And do you think these automakers are going down the right route in terms of looking at, you know, the future and decades ahead where passenger vehicles can run on hydrogen as opposed to ammonia?

00:32:40.380 Hydrogen is way too dangerous.

00:32:42.560 If somebody's talking about hydrogen, run away.

00:32:45.100 Honda knows about ammonia, yet they think that they maybe will have to pay somebody to be in the ammonia business.

00:32:52.340 And they say, oh, well, let's, oh, hydrogen, we can go to hydrogen without paying for somebody.

00:32:59.700 Why not pay a few bucks and be in a safe fuel rather than a dangerous fuel?

00:33:05.940 You know, it's just amazing because we see the just and true liberals talk a good game about carbon reduction and getting rid of your carbon footprint and alternative fuels.

00:33:16.040 Yet, whenever he shows up with his entourage of seven SUVs, they're typically gas-burning Chevy Suburban V8 vehicles.

00:33:25.520 So, kind of, as they say out west, all talk, no cattle.

00:33:29.600 If he would convert those over, at least he would be doing something. 0.93

00:33:33.180 All the big jet manufacturers, Rolls-Royce, General Electric, Pratt & Whitney, they've all tested ammonia.

00:33:40.860 It's zero carbon.

00:33:41.760 It works perfect in a jet engine.

00:33:43.220 So, why are we still using gas?

00:33:45.380 Well, Roger, you're making a compelling case.

00:33:47.220 I guess, why don't we take a spin, see how this puppy runs?

00:33:50.700 But, to me, this seems to be functioning just as a truck should be functioning.

00:33:53.900 You wouldn't know it's needed.

00:33:54.820 It's a bit noisy just because of the muffler, but that's the same in gas or diesel.

00:33:58.280 It doesn't matter.

00:33:58.760 I can switch back over to gas.

00:34:01.660 Oh, so it's that quick, eh?

00:34:02.920 Yeah.

00:34:03.500 It's instantaneous, yeah.

00:34:05.180 So, in case you were to run out of ammonia and you had to get...

00:34:08.580 Yeah.

00:34:08.620 I see.

00:34:09.280 Okay.

00:34:10.060 Well, Roger, I want to thank you for that ride in the truck.

00:34:12.440 I can tell you, I couldn't tell the difference between Ford pickup trucks I've been in my life

00:34:19.240 that are powered by gas or diesel versus ammonia.

00:34:22.260 It seemed seamless to me.

00:34:24.040 Yeah.

00:34:24.500 Yeah.

00:34:24.680 I've tested it numerous ways.

00:34:26.840 I've come up that hill with...

00:34:28.520 I put a big load on a trailer, like 7, 8, 10 on the trailer, come up.

00:34:32.120 I switch it back and forth from gas to ammonia.

00:34:35.140 You can't tell the difference.

00:34:36.860 It's instantaneous, yeah.

00:34:38.420 And as you mentioned, the truck to me, it's not just vehicles, but we're talking farm equipment.

00:34:43.120 We're talking trains, maybe.

00:34:45.080 You mentioned planes earlier on.

00:34:46.620 Again, the ammonia solution can be there for all kinds of transportation needs.

00:34:52.500 Roger, thank you so much for your time.

00:34:54.200 Thank you for showing us the truck.

00:34:55.640 And you know, folks, I'm going to tell you, 25 cents a liter, as Bob Barker used to say,

00:35:00.880 the price is right.

00:35:01.980 But the only other way you're going to get that kind of price at the pump, well, you're

00:35:06.660 going to have to get a Delorne with the flux capacitor option and go back in time some

00:35:11.960 45 years.

00:35:12.960 In the meantime, it looks like ammonia is the solution for a very low cost per liter of

00:35:21.400 fuel.

00:35:21.960 We'll just have to see in the years ahead if this solution does gain traction.

00:35:28.060 For Rebel News, I'm David the Menzoid Menzies. 0.60

00:35:42.960 Thank you.

00:35:43.960 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - April 15, 2022

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